Hollywood Creates Lost Media
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- Опубліковано 13 тра 2024
- Batgirl is just the tip of the Iceberg. Hollywood has a long history of not releasing completed movies. Whether is for tax reasons, legal troubles, or sheer incompetence, completed films are kept from the public or sometime even destroyed. It has happened before, and sadly, it will happen again.
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This is why I push for the term "hoarded media." It's not gone for good because they wiped a tape, it's not because the film stock degraded. it's gone because some CEO is sitting on the rights to something because they don't want to release anything that doesn't grant them immediate, sky high profits. You know, because cult films don't exist and EVERY Disney movie made record profits when they were released and didn't need home video to find themselves an audience.
I like that, I'm going to start using that. People don't deserve to be rewarded with the term lost media if they wanna be selfish
@@piss7610 Nothing should ever be lost or completely inaccessible. And it's one thing for movies that are either partially finished or in some unreleasable state, but what ticks me off is when you can't get access to older TV shows because they just don't think there's a demand. DVD's were a nice excuse and all, money goes into releasing those and getting them to retail, but streaming? All the streaming services (except HBO Max, apparently) are starved for content to pad out their library, yet they have so many things already made, finished, and ran their course that they can just shove somewhere in there. There's NO excuse peacock can't have Universal owned cartoons Toonsylvania or Fox Kids Casper. I'm sick of fuzzy off air recordings that get taken down.
@@mightyfilm i disagree. Just as an example CP, snuff films, and other forms of exploitation films should be lost for ever and ever
Yes and yes
@@VetriVade Yeah, but that stuff is usually independently produced, ambiguously copyright free, and whoever owns them are more than willing to share them. Plus, does anyone even care about those enough to care to search for them?
I feel terrible for the cast and crew of Batgirl and Scoob. Imagine spending months/a year working on something, pouring your heart into it, only to be told it won't be shared because the executives are greedy idiots.
This is why I always laugh when people assume lost media stopped in 1980 or something. I've worked on "lost" films, they're pretty common across the industry. You spend weeks if not months or longer on a project for it to die on the cutting room floor. It's just how it goes in this world. So many projects are dead on arrival, but the difference is this is a major WB project so it gets signal boosted.
Well, as always in life. If the people are unwilling to finish or having extremely limited view on few part of the market. Situations like this was about to happen anyway.
After all, conflicts of interest, poor communication, legal shenanigans about worldviews of industry are nothing but major factors for being in the Lost media wiki as well as other places.
Guess in the end of day, one lesson i learned from all of this. It Doesn't matter if a work is good or bad, just remember. Take good care of them and make the people who made thoses shall never forget em. Or we all gonna leave in a poisonous society devoid of all cultural life.
Tbh if a project ends up being written off for tax purposes it should enter the public domain in its current state at the time of the write off.
Would prevent it from happening unless completely necessary
That should be written into law.
Not only that but atleast the people who worked on it could be appreciated for their effort and not completely snubbed too
Cool idea actually
Interesting idea. It could be argued that tax money lost is tax money spent. Tax paying citizens should have something for their expenditure.
That would benefit the people. Not gonna happen.
To sum up the financials as simply as possible:
The cost of $90 mil for canceling batgirl isn't really put on the books of the new company until the film releases, effectively allowing them to break even and tank the old studio and exist solely as a tax write-off. Probably one of the weirdest financial technicalities I've ever heard of in business.
It's kinda brilliant imo... terrible, but brilliant
@@ShinySephiroth1 Brilliant? Hardly. Mindlessly greedy, vengeful sabotage, wildly inexperienced with an entertainment company larger than a few crappy cable channels that they have in the background of doctors' offices, purposely self destructive, corporate welfare queen, egotistical maybe, but certainly not brilliant to kill two 90% finished movies. The money WB is hemorrhaging FROM these business deals and alienating creatives is NOT going to be made back with the relative pocket change selling these movies to Uncle Sam for corporate welfare. Guess who has to make the difference in tax dollars for movies we can't even see?
It’s Hollywood accounting.
@@SlapstickGenius23 Hollywood accounting basically means NO movie makes money. Not even something like Avengers Endgame. And yes, I get the whole this amount of a movie budget goes to advertising, and then they have to split profits with movie theaters there, and this movie didn't make that much money in some region so we can't make a sequel, but this movie ONLY made money in that region so it's a franchise now. Producers are all crooks, studio CEOs doubly so.
If you're interested in a possible lost movie in the making, be sure to check out Lee Tamahori's 'Emperor', starring Adrien Brody, and featuring Rutger Hauer in his final role. A friend of mine, Sam Louwyck, has a minor but crucial role in it, and it was mostly filmed in Ghent, Belgium - where I used to live. It was completely filmed and edited , but now it can't be released due to some shady business dealings of the producer, who has been arrested for tax fraud.
It's so unfortunate that people/businesses still purposefully make lost media. What a shame.
In their defense, sometimes something may be too awful to release. At least, that's what I've been hearing about Batgirl.
@@neonthunder3261 Just to discredit all the love and passion that went into it? Even if a movie is "bad", it doesn't mean someone bled and sweat for it. That stuff shouldn't just be locked forever due to horrible management
@@ZzN2CzZ why would they spend money to put something out that'll hurt the brand? You people are stupid as hell.
Yup
Money talks
The silver lining is that all these film budgets helped pay the film crew, so at least there’s that!
Agreed. And considering this was always going HBO Max, I don't think there were any residuals. But seeing as how the movie looked "cheap" according to test screenings, there was probably no financial upside to this film anyway.
Maybe not in the case of the last movie in the video
But part of the crew, cast and directors have a huge blemish on their resume now. Especially the directors.
Networks writing off legit works of art as a "total loss" for monetary reasons is nothing new. I'm not a financial expert either, but I know for certain, Megas XLR was written off as a total loss, thus it can't air on US TV again, and it's why we probably won't get a physical home media release. It's not lost media because you can actually find it in a few places like the iTunes store, but this practice does pave the way for creating a lot of lost or incomplete media.
@Caleb OKAY How would you know? I'm pretty sure that, unless the final screening gets leaked, no one has seen this film outside of the cast and crew. I mean, you could take a guess if promotional material is out there, but it's hard to say for sure if it would have been good or not. I haven't seen any promotional material out there so maybe it does look bad. I'm more interested in preserving it than whether or not it's a good movie.
But, point taken, I was specifically referring to Megas XLR when I was talking in the original comment, not necessarily the quality of Batgirl. So, that was a little unclear. Regardless of quality, I would call Batgirl art, just with a different descriptor if I didn't like it. _Catwoman_ is technically art, but I wouldn't call it "good art."
Mega XLR was shown Adult Swim sometimes...so it was not written off.
@@Clay3613 I can't find a source on when the write-off happened, but there are a couple possibilities for how it aired on Adult Swim. Either the series co-creator lied/was mistaken during an interview when asked if they could revive the series, Adult Swim had some kind of weird work-around as some kind of different entity from Cartoon Network (I'm doubtful of this but I don't know the behind-the-scenes details), or they dumped it on Adult Swim before they wrote it off, similar to how some networks will dump a show onto an alternate channel that fewer people watch before they pull the plug.
The co-creator did claim that CN wrote it off as a total loss, back in 2014 in an interview so I'm pretty sure that's what happened. But, again, it's possible that he lied or was mistaken. But it sounded like he asked CN for the rights, and CN's response was that they couldn't give him the rights because they wrote it off as a total loss at some point.
@Clay3613 Megas XLR has never aired on Adult Swim. The whole reason we know about it being written off is because Adult Swim *tried* to air it at one point, but were told by CN that it was no longer legally possible due to being written off.
@@veemonjosh I saw some of it on TV.
HBO Max was said to be one of the top players in the streaming war against Netflix but looks like Netflix doesn't have much to worry about with all the shit Warner Bros/Discovery is sending to the grave.
This made me think about the Devo New Traditionalists tour. There was a whole bunch of professionally shot footage for a possible concert film that was literally thrown in the garbage. Basically what happened is some insurance company got into a pissing contest with the band over some dumb bullshit and demanded money. So they confiscated all the footage and held onto it for years and rather than return it to the band it was unceremoniously thrown in the garbage. There is a lot of documentation of their early period either officially or via bootlegs. The New Traditionalists tour is the only one you will likely never see footage from.
Which is a shame because that tour not only had real good music, but was also apparently very technically advanced for the time. I tell you, Devo is probably one of the unluckiest bands out there.
@@SynGirl32 I want to see them running on the treadmills!
@@clarenceboddicker9360 You're telling me Ok Go stole from Devo?
@@user-vi4xy1jw7e Not exactly. They did different things woth the treadmills. But Devo left their mark on decades worth of other bands.
I went to watch close enough and infinity train yesterday but they were both removed. It’s infuriating
They're on other platforms.
At least close enough is on tbs
Exactly one of few reasons I still sail the seven seas for favorite shows.
Things can almost always be found where thar be monsters.
If I had a nickle for every unreleased superhero movie featuring Brendan Fraser, I'd have two nickles. Which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happened twice.
In other words, justice for both Batgirl and Big Bug Man!
I don’t know why but that’s just extremely amusing to me 😂
At least this time it’s not the final performance for a beloved cinema icon we’re being deprived of
RIP Marlon Brando
Three, in fact. He was going to be Superman for the original JJ Abrams project in the early 2000s.
Honestly the fact we never got him playing Clark Kent, with his way of projecting a gentle wholesomeness even in action-heavy stories, is just sad.
I thought big bug man was cancelled because marlon brando died
Batgirl was garbage, get over it
I, being a huge Batgirl fan (and even having a Bat-girlcrush on her) would love to see the movie for nothing more than just it's her first solo film! This is more proof that the movie companies and their money grubbing execs, have lost touch with the fans.
They never cared but everything went downhill since they decided to cut 30 mins of batman v superman.EVERYTHING after got fucked up
Bat-girlcrush 💀💀💀
What version of Batgirl do you have a crush on Evonne Craig or Alicia Silverstone?
@@hydrolito the character, period. I even roleplay her... I actually liked both, but Yvonne Craig will always be Batgirl. The Dynamo Doll herself. And I came along, mmmm, 27 years later.
Honestly, the film could be a dumpster fire and all that I just want to see Brendan burn stuff as a super villain.
That's what I'm talking about.
I like the idea of old Batman played by Keaton as well.
This is totally true, I am an industry professional, I have been working in Hollywood and Stage shows for almost 6 decades. Not once, but TWICE I heard of a set of producers funding a show entirely for a loss so that they could make more money when the show closed opening night. COMPLETELY DESPICABLE!
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I may be a DC fan, but even before the cancelation announcement, I just couldn't bring myself to care about that Batgirl movie. That being said, I do think it's dumb that people who actually wanted to see it will never get the chance.
Batgirl deserves to be lost
@@kingbullyrock8739 No!!!!!!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!????!!!!!!!!?!!!!!?!!?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????!!!!!!!!Why? Lol.😮😮😮😮😮
@@kingbullyrock8739 it being wiped is a dream i didnt think would come true 😂
@@joshperreira1706 WB losing tons of money is a dream I never thought could come true 🤣🤣🤣
WB would have spent more on marketing and promotion, only for it to be released on streaming which doesn't bring in revenue per view.
The market consists of four groups, two of which are insensitive to new shows (won't join or leave a subscription for new content), and the other two are fence sitters who could be convinced to add or drop their subscription over a new product.
If Batgirl was truly terrible, it wouldn't have convinced anyone to start a new subscription, but it could convince someone that HBO Max does not have quality content to offer, especially if they've been frustrated with everything since Game of Thrones went down in flames.
For example, I canceled D+ over several of their shovelware shows, but Kenobi was the last straw. I'd cancel Prime over the awful RoP if it didn't come included with the shipping service.
Destroying Batgirl will insure talents/creators will avoid WB like the plague. They should just lock it away.
While the cancelled Batgirl movie might have its own missed potential, it’s too weakly executed and written to even be released into the cinemas anyway (for now). The sour lesson is that Warner Bros Discovery just cares about money, as it’s a callous business after all.
@@SlapstickGenius23 Oh I know then just keep it locked away for the next couple of years. Like the Snyder Cut would have been had Zack not saved all the footage on his laptop, if it wasn't for that and the Huge Fandom of DC Period it would at least be another decade til we saw it.
Here's my advice to future filmmakers out there: Focus on independent films because major film studios like Warner Bros are cancelling every movie like Batgirl and Scoob holiday haunt not to mention screwing the filmmakers over it's just not worth it!!
Given the people that were working on this movie that’s a good thing.
@@RobertoTorres-dj6ry No one’s getting screwed over there still getting paid regardless if it’s canceled.
Also this is how a company works under new management if the company wasn’t making money before.
Lost? Nah this is unwanted media
How can something be unwanted if the product is next to unknown?
Plus, cant something be both lost and unwanted?
@@re1010 Did you just fr try and say batgirl is unknown? What a joke
@@Jackson-jd1um no, the movie itself is mostly unknown, because we never saw much.
I wouldn't say it's lost perse but they were actually already building sets and fitting costumes when Justice League Mortal got canned over a tax they didn't get. We've uncovered a lot about it in the decade since but some of it will always be lost.
it’s a shame that some media may never be visible to the public. i believe all films are art no matter how good or bad.
nope
Sounds deep, but it doesn't make movies sound better, it makes "art" sound worse.
@@CLove511sounds deep, but bad art is still art, whatever you think. That's the definition.
@@harmenxiv6439 sounds... Well, shallow. Bad art is bad art, no idea what point you were even trying to make.
@@CLove511 my point is your comment is useless, I don't know what you are trying to prove. giodawg was right anyways.
My most wanted lost film is The Skywayman, where the star was killed onscreen in a plane crash.
As for Unfinished films, its tragic Gone in 60 Seconds 2 which was never completed.
Where the Star Wars plane crash? Can you elaborate?
@@averagejoe2402 I think you misread haha, they said "the star WAS killed onscreen"
@@averagejoe2402 ...the ground!
It won’t be released because it’s distasteful to do so
@@staringcorgi6475 It's lost. Thats why it wont be released.
It wasn't the effects - they said the whole feeling of the Batgirl movie was more of like a pilot for a CW show. With WBD wanting to start on a new foot, they didn't want this to be their first major release. I get it... but *completely* shelving is dumb.
If something is trash, get rid of it.
@@kingbullyrock8739 Fuck that attitude. Let art come out. It doesn’t matter if it’s trash. Don’t lock it away in a vault when it’s basically mostly completed.
Incel
@Will N cringe
@Will N Nah, you're definetly cringier
_The Orphan King_ , filmed in 2004 and starring Alexis Bledel... was reportedly finished, but got shelved due to disagreements between the director and producers.
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Random Guys on the Internet: "Batgirl was gonna suck anyway."
Andy Muschietti's 'IT' and The Rock's 'Black Adam' which both got similar preview scores: ... 😶
Black Adam isn't connected to some grand universe reboot tie-in nonsense like Batgirl, nor is it politically divisive like Batgirl. I think Black Adam looks terrible, but people will watch it because The Rock is in it. Nobody cared about Batgirl whatsoever.
I remember seeing a bootleg copy of Empires of The Deep a few years back at a flea market but didn't think much of it until I saw this video.
...Yikes.
Is this a joke or true I can't tell?
The "destroyed for a tax write-off" was nearly the fate of Douglas Trumball's Brainstorm. Natalie Wood died with only a half a day of filming left, but MGM was in financial trouble and wanted to make a quick buck by scrapping the movie. In the end, it was the insurance company that saved the movie when Trumball explained it would be trivial to shoot around Wood's absence for the scene they had left to shoot because she had no lines of dialog. MGM was pissed they couldn't get the insurance money, and Trumball's agent told him to not get on a plane or limo chartered by MGM because Trumball cost them an easy payday. Trumball was so disgusted by the whole affair, he gave up directing feature films.
Need to be very careful taking jobs in china, I knew someone who took a placement job there. The conditions were totally different to advertised and there were similar passport shenanigans when they tried to leave
I hope _Empires of the Deep_ gets a theatrical release someday. At this point it will never make its budget back, but still, the world deserves to see "Tommy Wiseau's present: Aquaman"
Is the least we can do for the hundreds of people who worked on the film
It looks like Gods Of Egypt
I'm hoping Hulu will rescue the animated stuff Discovery removes from HBO Max
I’m 90% sure the creators of Sesame Street were doing this with their lost “witch on Sesame Street” episode. Intentionally withholding it.
Artificial scarcity is weird
I’d absolutely watch Empires of the Deep. I grew up on early 2000’s CGI spectacles, so I think I could deal with the animation.
Another issue about caning Batgirl is that what WB/Discovery is what they decide to keep and invest more in. WB is still investing in the Flash staring Ezra Miller (AKA the Guy who makes Amber Heard Look Good) who is currently on the run from the law over Multiple Warrants and any movies he would star in would be kinda viewed by the public in a similar manner to any film created by Roman Polanski regardless of actual quality alone. So WB's claim about taking less financial risks in regards to canceling projects seems pretty inconsistent at the moment
You know they arrested Ezra Miller, right...? That's still an entire story that hasn't yet played out, anyway. Perhaps wait to see what happens with The Flash before making any definitive claims about it.
That was actually one claim that I heard on this subject. They're trying to do the exact same thing as the MCU, with Ezra Miller's The Flash as their Iron Man, and they didn't want Batgirl to be another "The Incredible Hulk" for kicking off the universe. It was already a big risk, but having a questionable film be the flagship could tank the whole thing before it gets going, when everything they put out will be compared to the MCU and everyone has superhero fatigue.
The speculation there is that Batgirl will actually ultimately be released after The Flash.... If that one ever gets released due to Ezra Miller's shenanigans. Could be bogus, but it made sense to me.
Here's an idea: the government should seize all reels of film footage as guarantee for the tax write off and basically become the movie owner. Then they can release it themselves and try to make money from it whilst conserving the originals in the National Archives or wherever these things are kept.
Hmmm yeah government owns everything
Stop the capitalism, Go to communism
@@fajarkurniawan9434 It's preferable to companies having to ACTUALLY DESTROY their film reels to not be charged with tax evasion. Better to trade those film reels in for a tax break and let the film be preserved. Realistically most of those films will be junk but maybe a few cult classics get saved if this happens.
Another very recent cancelled DC live action with a very interesting behind the scenes situation that you can also talk about is the Wayne Family Adventures series adaptation that was fully cast and at least partially filmed, for what we saw before they pulled the plug. For what I know, it seems that something wasn't properly handled with copyright approval, which is wild since they had already filmed so much of it and looked pretty good quality for a webseries, with some costumes that were better than some CW versions. I know that the cast was totally blindsided by the cancellation because of some of them tweeting about it, but I never understood why they went ahead so far with the filming without approval, or if maybe said approval was partial, since Wayne Family Adventures is both a DC and Webtoons property, I assume.
Anyway, thought you might want to look into it, if you ever want another super recent DC lost media property whose cancellation and loss of footage could have been easily avoided.
Empires of the Deep is probably the craziest piece lost media out there. Great video!
as we expand the definition of what counts as media, i feel the potential for lost content expands scarily far. rappers will play songs on ig live that never went on to get officially released; i’m sure there’s innumerable examples of some of these being lost to time
0:38 When you not only delve into lost media, but also lost words such as OBSTENSIVELY!
Have you ever heard about almost finished, canceled Asterix movie? Back then in the 60s, some animation studio wanted to make series of movies based on famous French comic Asterix, even though they had no rights on it. After first movie hit the theaters, titled Asterix the Gaul, original comic creators found out about all this and were not very pleased with it, not only because they had their characters stolen, but also because of movie's cheap animation and weird art style. And as someone who saw both movie and comic book, I know what they were talking about. They were nice enough to let it slip, but after seeing almost complete version of second movie, titled Asterix and golden sickle, they were so impresed that they ordred all copies to be destroyed and said that studio can forget about making another movie. This is one of my favorite cases of lost media, but I don't think I ever saw someone covering this in a video.
I read an article saying that WB Discovery regretted releasing the Snyder cut because they didn't like to make these difficult decisions just because of the influence of internet fans, if the article is true then I'm losing all hope of their cancelled projects and even Cartoon Network cancelled and hidden shows to be rereleased.
It's almost like putting profits first pushes companies and corporations to take malicious decisions and always screw the consumer over
We've gone from Companies rushing media for a holiday release to canceling movies for tax breaks.
This video was seriously incredible. My jaw dropped on more than one occasion. Holy crap. The sheer vanity and selfishness of some people still baffles me. I hope we get to see these films (among others) released in some way during our lifetimes.
We might never know what these movies would’ve been like but if they were practically finish it really feels like a big waste have a bunch of people‘s time and money that went into them.
Keep it real 100k congratulations
Batgirl sounded like it would have ruined the legacy of Keaton's Batman.
The movie looked bad(so far) and rumors of the story a typical modern feminist film that talks down to Batman and him dying to.
I'm hoping new DC direction will have a better Batgirl later on
Incel
The only parts we saw of the film were behind the scenes, so no shit it looked bad.
Also, those are rumours, and they have never been proven.
There’s an interview with Pitof on The Projection Booth podcast, and Empires of the Deep comes up. Pitof didn’t have anything nice to say about Jon Jiang. I think the words “lunatic” and “con man” came up.
So they pulled a "Springtime for Hitler" with Bat Girl, The Producers style.
This one might not count as a lost film because there is a strong possibility it never existed in the first place, but there was a movie back in the 80s called Blood Circus that was produced by an incredibly shady businessman who later had the original print up for sale for $1 million on ebay. It gained a cult following because of a bizarre hour-long promotional videotape that was sent out to video rental stores across the US (back in the pre-Blockbuster era) which was part trailer and mostly infomercial for the producer's cheap jewelry company (which went under quickly for scamming their customers). As the story goes, the jewelry company was commissioned to make a small-time wrestling promotion's title belts and the producer got an idea to go-big and create a cross-promotional film for the promotion and the jewelry company. This never saw the light of day and probably never will because anybody who is willing to cough up the asking price would be crazy to trust the producer (who served jailtime over the scams). It's rumored that they only shot enough footage to make the trailer and the actual print of the "film" is either just the famous videotape on celluloid or a loop of what little footage that was shot. I'm not even sure if the producer in question is even still alive. But on the bright side, the promotional videotape is available on UA-cam.
And on a personal note, I remember the trailer/infomercial (trailfomercial?) being played at my local video store when I was a kid and being really weirded out by it, particularly a part that involves a luchador's severed head. I had completely forgotten about it until decades later when my friends and I were reminiscing about the old days and it came up. I remembered the title so I later researched it online and found out about this whole saga.
I didn't intend this to be so TL;DR, so thanks for reading all this!
From a moist critical video I heard the reason why the batgirl movie was canceled was because they couldn’t secure a release date
That's so stupid
No, cause it was woke garbage that kept pushing the DC universe in a direction the new CEO is not going in.
@@davidreyna7410 The DC cinematic universe isn't known for well thought out decisions.
it would be interesting to hear you discuss song samples people can’t find. it’s similar to lost media. the avalanches have a few songs they sampled that aren’t online.
Honestly, if Batgirl is so bad that the higher ups aren’t even “permanently shelving” the film, but “dusting” it…
I’m guessing they’ve screened it and gotten some choice reactions and determined it wasn’t worth the potential reputation damage, but think about that; they released Suicide Squad. Did people haemorrhage in the screening?
And Suicide Squad was a big hit.
I probably wasn't going to watch the Batgirl film anyway, but now that it's cancelled it actually makes me want to watch it more. Warner Bros has an amazing marketing strategy in the palm of their hands and they aren't using it.
I know of at least 2 Conan the Barbarian movie projects that were practically finished, and never saw the light od day. One was an animated adaptation of "Red Nails", and the other, a live action project adapting "Iron Shadows in the Moon".
I wish I could find a copy of "An Ambush of Ghosts". It appears to have only had 1 screening at Sundance but the soundtrack by the band In the Nursery has long been available (and has audio samples from the movie throughout) and the movie even had some relatively big names for the time (early 90's). Would be cool if you did an episode about that one.
My understanding about why Michael Keaton was in batgirl is that the batgirl movie was set after the flash. At one point during the production of the flash, they had decided they were going to have Michael Keaton be the new Batman in the DCEU, having basically over written Batfleck as a result of the flashes time travel shenanigans. However, the flash was rewritten so many times, and had so many re-shoots that the ending where Keaton replaced Affleck ended up not being used, and hence his appearance in that girl no longer made any sense. I am told that this was one of the considerations that went into deciding to just ankle Batgirl. I guess there was talk about re-shooting all of kittens scenes to remove him from the movie, but they didn’t know who the new Batman was actually going to be at that point and that would have been prohibitively expensive, especially since they had already paid Keaton, and they were already seriously tossing around the idea of just scrapping the entire DCEU, and starting over again. That’s what I have been given to understand. I don’t know if it’s true or not, but it does make sense.
Can you do an episode on unaired pilots? Specifically, I would really love the see the Beverly Hills Cop pilot that was directed by Barry Sonnenfeld. Supposedly it was good but after seeing Murphey's single appearance, the network wanted him to come back for multiple episodes and he did not agree so they didn't pick it up.
Greed from 1924 is one of my favorite unreleased movies or at least the original cut of the movie. If I remember correctly when the studio was shown the original cut of the movie they were so mad that they took the movie re edited it and destroyed the rest of the film.
The movie I would love to see leaked or released revenge of the Sith 4 hour cut
That’s not a movie, it’s just an assembly cut of every single take start to end. Every movie has a 4-10 hour assembly cut before editing begins
Well I would like to see that 4 hour cut of the dark knight rises
16:29 That’s way bigger than the budget of Michael Cimino’s Heaven’s Gate.
This is kind of a side note but it's really ashame for my city where The Batgirl was entirely filmed (Glasgow). This would of been our first entirely filmed Hollywood picture and it's definitely gonna reflect badly on the city now that we've lost the film. It's really weird because I literally remember seeing parts of the street done up for the film so it was a bit wild seeing some of that footage you showed us. Either way Warner Bros everyone the finger and screw them for it.
I believe it was revealed the city paid them some money for the filming too? Really unfortunate. There was also a story of a young girl there who was such a big Batgirl fan and always around the set so the directors put her in the film.
@@donultrawide that's so sweet I had no idea.
Wish you 100k subs!
SO CLOSE
I HATE when people say "I don't like this thing, therefore it doesn't matter if it fails/was lost/ was cancelled." The arrogance of such a statement is astounding. I'm no Star Wars fan, but I don't wish for SW fans to never have another film. So what if you don't like Batgirl (and thus show you have no taste or are an incel)? There are thousands of not millions who do and they should get a chance to see that film.
To be honest, Batgirl looks like it was a tax break scheme from the start. Have lots of public filming locations where people can get lots of set photos, really make it look like a legit production. But the costumes all look super cheap, everything seems like its just a farce to make the public think theres a movie being made that's never actually going to be released, ala the old fantastic four. Or maybe my tinfoil hat is on a little too tight today.
Yeah, it sort of reminds me of the Corman Fantastic Four that was essentially just made so the studio could hold onto the rights by meeting a clause in the contract. It's a shame though, because like that movie people still worked hard on it and to have all their work essentially rendered meaningless must sting quite a bite.
Plus, they decided to make it political but announcing they are make another red into a “POC”. As a Mexican American, I am not shedding a tear that this movie was canceled. There are such thing as bad media. Do like the lost media things but we cannot just say nothing should be canceled or lost.
@@MrSophire I've seen black nerd channels who thought changing another redhead into another black character is tacky and I'm curious if the amount of people wanting to see this consist of the Twitter weirdoes who need to feel validated seeing a race swap on film to feel it
@@MrSophire I agree that saying nothing should be cancelled is true, plenty of media deserves and deserved to be cancelled. I don't agree that "losing" any media is ok, from a purely historical sense I feel like all media should be preserved in some form. Doesn't mean that media is worth seeking out and experiencing, but the option should still be there, especially in the modern day when preserving this stuff is as easy as uploading a video or audio file of it online.
Wtf
Awesome video!
The roaring 20s have come full circle.
Do you have a video with details about All American Massacre? As far as I remember it was also completed but never released.
Yo think we could get another video about Internet lost media?
Any topics in mind you'd like me to cover?
@@AllThingsLost I got some good ones you should definitely cover, 4 to be exact!
1. Lost alternate online versions of “Angry Birds” is one that immediately comes to mind, most of which were already existing “Angry Birds” games but on different websites like Google Chrome, Google+ or Facebook and other versions were sponsored tie in’s with McDonald’s, Radox and Coca-Cola.
2. The lost Angry Grandpa videos (rip Charles Green aka Angry Grandpa) like the infamous videos “The Exploding Cigarette” and “The Fake Bomb Prank” which were deleted by UA-cam.
3. The deleted scenes of “RWBY” season 3. During RWBY’s production of its third season, RWBY’s creator Monty Oum died due to a allergic reaction during a medical procedure. Though RoosterTeeth (the company that helped create the series) promised the third season’s production would continue, even after Monty’s passing. Following RWBY’s third season being released in 2016 Shane Newville a former lead animator for RWBY, released an open letter online, detailing his frustrations with RoosterTeeth handling the franchise after Monty’s passing. In the document however he mentioned that various scenes of the third season were changed and rewritten before it’s release. Very few of the deleted scenes made it online, the only thing that has resurfaced that I know of is short clips of test footage of some of the fights in the third season.
4. This last one is personal to me and I would LOVE for you to talk about this, the lost and unreleased videos of SuperMarioLogan (SML for short). Over the years the creator of the channel has deleted some of his early videos (as an unfortunate amount of UA-camrs do) but over the years there is a large amount of unreleased videos that due to various unknown reasons haven’t seen the light of day.
Have fun researching these my dude.
Batgirl was greenlit before Discovery took over. From what I’ve heard, the movie wasn’t as good as a Batgirl movie should’ve been. If that’s the case then I am happy that Warner Discovery is making the tough decisions and is putting their foot down on releasing quick cash grab products vs something of quality. Batgirl deserves more than this situation and more than the cheap low budget CW looking movie she was gonna be in. Fingers crossed that Warner Discovery lives up to their promise of delivering quality for their ip’s in the future. Hope is a fragile thing.
You should look into Danny Devito’s Saint Sebastian and Lee Tamahori’s Emperor.
Wow that last one it's like working for gangsters 😭 that must've been so scary for everyone involved.
I think if a movie is canceled they should release it for free
One question: Yamamuro made a draw about the god form of goku for the movie Dragon ball z the batlle of gods that draw has goku with his hair like a combination between ssj3 and ssj4, a tail and a cape, also muscular. But AkiraToriyama rejected that designand made the design that we know (you know goku in base form with red eyes and red hair).
This beta desung made by yamamuro has never been release for the public, so just a few number of people has seen this desing,
This desing could be called a piece of lost media?
Guys, this wb, yes they had Michael Keaton and a return of Brandon Frasier, which is awesome, but I imagine that that they could've killed batman 89 off especially because it's Warner brothers...its like one maybe two good movies a year.
I heard about batgirl on the radio while at work because it was being filmed in Glasgow and I live in the UK
I think its the same movie anyway
And this is why I have no interest in working in the film or entertainment industry. Making a movie in general is hard and very expensive. This is why some people find satisfaction making indi comics. It's a quicker way if getting your creative thoughts out there.
@M Hey, I was only expressing my opinion. I'm not saying that everyone is this way. Sometimes you gotta find alternatives if one thing doesn't go your way.
Damn you, Hollywood!
Irvin Kershner hadn't made a movie for nearly 20 years and was in his mid-80's when approached to direct Empires Of The Deep. WTF!
The woman of the sea technically has a few fragments left but they are so short that it’s hard to comprehend. Such a waste of a 80 minute runtime.
If they want to shelve the movie to get a tax break then fair enough, but they should be made to release it into the public domain instead of destroying an important piece of culture.
Dang almost 100k subscribers
I knooooow 🤯
It's always so sad when a movie can't get released
"Woman if the sea is a 1926 movie..." Staring Elizabeth Olson apparently 6:24
Do the Blazing Saddles TV show next please.
James Wan must have seen the trailers for Empires Of The Deep. Aquaman has the same visuals, but you know, higher quality.
I think I heard WBD's attempts to save money actually cost them much more, so they're attempt basically failed. Talk about karma
I didn't realize Brendan Fraser was playing the antagonist
the fact that warner brothers discovery was cancelling everything left and right for tax write offs only to have enough money to release two movies this year because of how much money they lost
Considering that Warner Brothers released Catwoman, Steel, Batman and Robin, and Superman 4: the Quest For Peace, I can only imaging how horrible Batgirl must have been to get shelved.
I usually like this video but as some other people have said, this is ultimately pretty whiny. Zero understanding of how Hollywood works (this sort of thing is common to some degree - they don't just make these choices lightly), what Warner Bros. is doing (e.g. the "Warner Bros. Discovery" name is only temporary; people having a meltdown over a movie that they didn't know about before it was cancelled), that "90% finished" isn't even close to "practically finished" considering how expensive that final "10%" really is, and typically, films aren't cancelled even when they're completed unless there's a good reason.
But people would rather jump to conclusions and screech about how they hate David Zaslav for a movie they didn't even know about before it was cancelled because he dared to try to course correct this dumpster fire of a company of which he's been put in charge since the merger.
I also don't even necessarily agree that it's lost media. I suppose in a rather literal definition, it is, but if it wasn't meant to be seen in the end, is scarcely more lost media than someone making a video for UA-cam then deciding not to upload it for whatever reason. As someone else pointed out, it's not the same as movies that were released but just aren't available any more for various reasons such as degraded or destroyed film stock.
I do remember test screenings were bad.
And now another WB film has fallen victim to the "tax write off." Seriously Warner Bros is just digging their own grave at this point. Now I'm starting to wonder why Christopher Nolan really cut ties with them.
Thankfully wb realized that they messed up and are now shopping the film to other distributors hopefully scoob holiday haunt and batgirl (which is unlikely but....hey a man can dream) can get the same treatment
dont forget of Grendel netflix series which was all filmed but never aired...
I saw a little bit,some of the 1990 Captain America live actioneer. Never saw the live action 93' Fantastic Four movie & never knew there was a live action Batgirl movie at all. Was there a live action Sub-Mariner movie not aware of? Lol. 🤪🤔🤪🤔🤪🤪
someone's going to film Batgirl during the one screening and we'll get a leak of it.
I get hyped when this man upload a new vid!
Batgirl probably would have been STEAMY HOT SHIT anyway.
Lost media will literally never stop being a thing and its very naive to think it will
Media gets destroyed, cancelled, unreleased or simply forgotten about and thats the nature of it no matter the format
1:34 No doubt about that.