Dunno, the Echo really is a much less tech saw than the other two. No circuit boards in this. That's why this 'Toyota' is cheaper than the Ford and Chevy.
@@gordonhenderson1965- sometimes low tech is far better than high technology. Like zero electronics to break and try to get replacement parts for. The new ones work great, or don’t work……take your pick and pay for the ones that suit your requirements 😂
Just subscribed. Thanks for the well informative instructional video. I just purchased the cs-590. If I start the have problems, I will come back to this video.
Here is a perfect solution for mixing up. JB weld use the bottom of a beer can or soda can and then you throw it away when you're done easy clean up 🙌🙏
Holy shit I’ve been having idle issues and issues with my cs590 dying after throttle for months and been tearing her apart. I just swapped out my high jet nozzle for the full send one (I didn’t seal up the hole like you did I punched out the entire jet) and holy crap it completely fixed all of my issues she is purring again , I would say this is the #1 most important carb mod for the 590 by far and may be the reason for most of its problems actually
I just wanted to include that cleaning the spark arrestor on my weed eater helped improve the performance dramatically, so maybe look at the spark arrestor on the chainsaw to see if it had gotten clogged, if the performance seems to have gotten bad. Anyways, thanks again for the video.
I bought petroleum resistant JB weld to do this mod. After banging on the high jet a few times with my punch, I noticed the hole on the top reduced one diameter a decent amount. I was hesitant on applying the JB weld so I decided to just go with it. This helped a decent amount. After seeing your video, it makes me want to go back and complete the mod. Subscribed for sure!
Amazing Job!!!! Finally a cs-590 video that explains technical information and on what to do! Saw has been out for years and you Sir have the most informative video! Thank you Thank you!! Can I ask why you put the deflector angled towards the left side vs to the right side stock? I can’t believe it’s not hitting the limit on the coil, as least it doesn’t sound like it. So the 620 unlimited coil & larger carb isn’t as much of a issue as the stupid H-jet bypass on the 590/620 carburetor’s. That hole is what it sounds to me is the most restrictive lagging performance deal on both the 590/620’s. The muffler modifications of course have to be done as well as the limiter cap tabs. Appreciate your time Sir, best video on the UA-cam for the Echo CS-590 TimberWolf!! That saw screams now! Great job! 👍 So 😎!
Thank you! And please, for the love of God, share the video! Been trying to grow my channel, but it can be difficult. As far as the deflector goes, it is on just like it was from factory, you are probably seeing me talk about it when the camera is on selfie mode. It makes it a mirror image. I'll do a tuning video of it tomorrow if I have time. Get the tac out and see what it spins at. If all goes well, on Wednesday I will have a Wack-Off video of it running against itself in stock form. I hope you check out my channel. I've got lots of good content. Or so I think.
On the 620 carb to get it to actually tune I punch the jet out rotate it a lil and reinstall then you can tune it to the moon. Those jets have to be lined up in order for that bypass passage to work. So simply turning it will block it off.
Awesome Buddy. You do such a good job of providing valuable, or at least useful information and tutorials on what, how and why you're doing things. Cutting cookies is fun to watch- but if you really want to become a better enthusiast or sawyer- you need to learn. And, you're funny, and relatable. I think you should be climbing the ranks if my opinion counts.
Thanks man! The best job I ever had was teaching HVAC in the Air Force. I learned that, when you need to teach others how to do something, you learn the subject matter in depth at an exponential rate. I also learned to teach the material with the students questions in mind. A lot of students won't ask their questions, and so you must answer them as you teach expecting the questions even though no one has asked. I'm so thankful for everyone on UA-cam who I learn from. Tinman, John, Joe, Walt, Matt, Ironhorse, and on and on. But they all have the same problem...they leave out the minutiae, which leaves their students not fully understanding. Teaching is so rewarding when done right. To both students and teacher.
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Thank you for your service! I love your videos, entertaining and very informative, just enough humor and smart ass to be totally relatable like a friend explaining shit! Keep up the good work and we'll definitely keep watching
I take the air filter cover off and just use the knob off the cover to hold the air filter while I’m tuning, yes those tiny carb H/L slots suck, that makes it where I can see better inserting the screw driver during tuning adjustments.
Yes the jets are slotted for a flathead screw driver. Echo makes a special tool to remove the limiters which I have PN: 91075 a drywall screw works but can damage. I buy new limiter caps since there only .99 cents a piece cut the tabs off and re-insert them back in makes it much easier to get the screw driver on them and turn.
Do you have a tachometer? There cheap around $25-30 bucks, would love to see what rpm’s the saw is revving to. I’m still waiting on tinman’s cs590 build to be uploaded and finished.
I also added paper gaskets and some shellac compound stuff between the carburetor on both sides to help steal things up because there were no gaskets originally and I feel like that’s a huge design flaw so that with the nozzle is a fucking crazy monster chains, I can actually read it and get it tonight for stroke anymore and you Lena to fuck out. The crazy thing is when I was trying to tune it I had the high I’d like one and a half it wanted a full like 3 1/half plus with us mod after I was done I was not expecting that. I was getting a ton of bars on the low and I could not Revit initially then I just opened that high jet and what bam .
Not sure lol I had a lot of friends through school come and go in my memory is not the best I’m 43 years old from a small town in Marshall North Carolina been messing around with chainsaws for many years and thoroughly enjoy it. Keep up the good work. 👍🏼
@@novicelumberjack well... Yes, but it's limited much higher. Really, the 620p carburator is the biggest upgrade. Flows more and better. But the unlimited coil will allow you to tune properly without the coil kicking in/off.
To be clear, you were showing an "extra" jet, and - if 1 were to do this at-home, they would *not* actually be removing the jet from the carb? They would simply be opening the carb's cover on that side, and plugging with JB? Just wanna be clear!! Cannot believe it but actually had my 590 not start after mussing its carb the other day (it's ported and had been running-lean from a plugged filter, which I still cannot understand but it was running lean as heck and cleaning it made it go haywire and die when I pulled trigger..) May've flooded it, have the factory spec settings tuned in (3/4ths on the H, 1 3/4 on the L, just double-checked that is the OEM tech manual spec, has a good carb-tuning instructional actually am hoping the starting points are OK-enough for my ported&flowed unit..) "Truly modded"...man this is almost subjective in "common parlance" but I posit this is objective and that NO 590 muff-mod that opens up the rear half can be optimal, they all inherently allow atmosphere "into the mix" by the flange meaning you're altering charge-dynamics for the worse...you can fix it super easily though, using that big top-hole "for access" to the central baffle-wall, enlarge its passage-holes at least 75%+ to the front-half and then seal the top-face ENTIRELY, and make your new exit(s) on the front-face of the muffler (I made mine as a pair, though I could've made 1 exit w/ 2x the size, a pair of 1/2-as-big just has a better sound IMO!!) I did mine to about 75% surface area of the OEM exhaust flange area, though to be fair my flange is widened & port-matched into the muffler but I figured that'd only really affect the characteristics of the port itself not muffler-requirements, and all the books emphasize to go a bit smaller, than risk going a lil too-large, on your muff's final exit....makes sense when you consider how well off-the-shelf saws can perform w/ their choked-up muffs, my 2511 has like barely 1/4"sq exit not even!!
I fly radio control aircraft, and a rich engine will not work as well as a properly tuned engine. Fact from 22 years of tweaking needles. If you do this modification, be advised that temperature changes and humidity changes will affect the performance. Modify at your own discretion 😊
Looks like you’ve got a winner now. I noticed a momentary lack of RPM gain during all of those accelerations, what’s up with those? “Maybe” another tuning issue, or is it something else?
Good ear! Your Definitely right. This is usually from the low side being too lean in my experience, but I was having such a hard time finding the screwdriver slots, I kinda gave up. Plus, listening to it on video afterwards, I was able to hear a lot more detail. Before I do the Wack-Off, I'll spend a copious amount of time dialing it in and getting it perfect. Hopefully it will make a difference.
I guarantee that's a check valve like most the newer carbs have. Once the check valve goes bad the carb won't prime and you get a bunch of air in your primer bulb.
U can go down to the local hardware store and get a reverse thread machine screw. The limiter removal tool is also reverse thread. Was Tinmans carb from a 600/620?
Well, I have two separate carbs there. I just knocked that one out to show it to the camera, so you don't need to take it out. But if you did...just knock it back in gently and exactly the way it was to begin with.
@@BoedyPennington yeah I have some old carbs and needed the jet check valve for my other chainsaw , I am working on just got a new carb for my Stihl MS250
Actually scientific research has proven that the use of "bad" words is one trait of above average intelligence. So maybe you could do a little research before trying to pass judgement on other people, so you don't look fucking stupid
The little slot on the jet is an alignment mark for install, that way you can line the needle up correctly
Ppl always say husqvarna vs sthil are like ford vs Chevy; however I like my echo the toyota of chainsaw
Dunno, the Echo really is a much less tech saw than the other two. No circuit boards in this. That's why this 'Toyota' is cheaper than the Ford and Chevy.
Wouldn't that be more like a Saab
I have Toyota, and an Echo.
Just consider how many times Toyota has won Lemans!
@@gordonhenderson1965- sometimes low tech is far better than high technology. Like zero electronics to break and try to get replacement parts for. The new ones work great, or don’t work……take your pick and pay for the ones that suit your requirements 😂
Just subscribed. Thanks for the well informative instructional video. I just purchased the cs-590. If I start the have problems, I will come back to this video.
Here is a perfect solution for mixing up. JB weld use the bottom of a beer can or soda can and then you throw it away when you're done easy clean up 🙌🙏
Part number for the Walbro nozzle check valve with no governing hole is 86-578-1 its $8
Holy shit I’ve been having idle issues and issues with my cs590 dying after throttle for months and been tearing her apart. I just swapped out my high jet nozzle for the full send one (I didn’t seal up the hole like you did I punched out the entire jet) and holy crap it completely fixed all of my issues she is purring again , I would say this is the #1 most important carb mod for the 590 by far and may be the reason for most of its problems actually
I think a welch plug would also work over that governing hole and it is easily removable. Great video, i really learned a lot from your channel!
I just wanted to include that cleaning the spark arrestor on my weed eater helped improve the performance dramatically, so maybe look at the spark arrestor on the chainsaw to see if it had gotten clogged, if the performance seems to have gotten bad. Anyways, thanks again for the video.
I mix epoxy on masking tape with a fat zip tie, works marvellously
New Echo Timberwolf owner here. Subscribed!!!!!!!
I bought petroleum resistant JB weld to do this mod. After banging on the high jet a few times with my punch, I noticed the hole on the top reduced one diameter a decent amount. I was hesitant on applying the JB weld so I decided to just go with it. This helped a decent amount. After seeing your video, it makes me want to go back and complete the mod.
Subscribed for sure!
Thanks for your videos ,I enjoy them.
Cs 590 is a torque monster 👹!!!! Nice job 👍
Glad you shared this, I have the same saw, it's running real nice right now, but after I do some of these cool mods I might need to do this
Thanks for the tips! Much appreciated!
Amazing Job!!!!
Finally a cs-590 video that explains technical information and on what to do! Saw has been out for years and you Sir have the most informative video! Thank you Thank you!!
Can I ask why you put the deflector angled towards the left side vs to the right side stock?
I can’t believe it’s not hitting the limit on the coil, as least it doesn’t sound like it. So the 620 unlimited coil & larger carb isn’t as much of a issue as the stupid
H-jet bypass on the 590/620 carburetor’s. That hole is what it sounds to me is the most restrictive lagging performance deal on both the 590/620’s. The muffler modifications of course have to be done as well as the limiter cap tabs. Appreciate your time Sir, best video on the UA-cam for the Echo CS-590 TimberWolf!! That saw screams now!
Great job! 👍 So 😎!
Thank you! And please, for the love of God, share the video! Been trying to grow my channel, but it can be difficult. As far as the deflector goes, it is on just like it was from factory, you are probably seeing me talk about it when the camera is on selfie mode. It makes it a mirror image. I'll do a tuning video of it tomorrow if I have time. Get the tac out and see what it spins at. If all goes well, on Wednesday I will have a Wack-Off video of it running against itself in stock form. I hope you check out my channel. I've got lots of good content. Or so I think.
Deflector still going to the right side, it's the camera gives a backwards image, look at the sign on the wall.....
On the 620 carb to get it to actually tune I punch the jet out rotate it a lil and reinstall then you can tune it to the moon. Those jets have to be lined up in order for that bypass passage to work. So simply turning it will block it off.
Subscribed a while back, and I have to say that I really enjoy the content, and now look forward to the next video, Good Stuff !
Thanks man! I appreciate it!
I just bought the tool echo makes to remove those red caps it's a reverse thread tool best $15 I spent in a while.
If you don't mind, what's the part number? I'm having a little trouble searching for it.
Love this guy.
Never know until you try, 👍🆙 Big Guy!
Awesome Buddy. You do such a good job of providing valuable, or at least useful information and tutorials on what, how and why you're doing things. Cutting cookies is fun to watch- but if you really want to become a better enthusiast or sawyer- you need to learn. And, you're funny, and relatable. I think you should be climbing the ranks if my opinion counts.
Thanks man! The best job I ever had was teaching HVAC in the Air Force. I learned that, when you need to teach others how to do something, you learn the subject matter in depth at an exponential rate.
I also learned to teach the material with the students questions in mind. A lot of students won't ask their questions, and so you must answer them as you teach expecting the questions even though no one has asked. I'm so thankful for everyone on UA-cam who I learn from. Tinman, John, Joe, Walt, Matt, Ironhorse, and on and on. But they all have the same problem...they leave out the minutiae, which leaves their students not fully understanding. Teaching is so rewarding when done right. To both students and teacher.
Thank you for your service! I love your videos, entertaining and very informative, just enough humor and smart ass to be totally relatable like a friend explaining shit! Keep up the good work and we'll definitely keep watching
Lol seems like I’ve gotten behind on some videos 😂 awesome video😎👍
Glad you're catching up!
I take the air filter cover off and just use the knob off the cover to hold the air filter while I’m tuning, yes those tiny carb H/L slots suck, that makes it where I can see better inserting the screw driver during tuning adjustments.
Can you turn the high jet with a small screwdriver or it take a special tool? It doesn’t have limiter’s on mine, took them off
Yes the jets are slotted for a flathead screw driver. Echo makes a special tool to remove the limiters which I have PN: 91075 a drywall screw works but can damage. I buy new limiter caps since there only .99 cents a piece cut the tabs off and re-insert them back in makes it much easier to get the screw driver on them and turn.
The slot in the main jet is a conversation piece…….😂
Awesome awesome 👏🏻
you can limit restrict flow put a copper wirel in the hole and by thickness you can regulate the ammount of flow
Why would I want to do that? Zero flow is desired, not restricted flow.
Definitely different carburetors. Look closely, maybe because he is in Canada and requirements are different for the manufacturer? But different.😊
Do you have a tachometer? There cheap around $25-30 bucks, would love to see what rpm’s the saw is revving to.
I’m still waiting on tinman’s cs590 build to be uploaded and finished.
Tinman used a 620 carb for the 590 I think
Ahhhhh, that explains it! Thanks!
he also stated in a video it didn't help much, but the 620 coil did help
That line is for line up the hole for needle valve
I also added paper gaskets and some shellac compound stuff between the carburetor on both sides to help steal things up because there were no gaskets originally and I feel like that’s a huge design flaw so that with the nozzle is a fucking crazy monster chains, I can actually read it and get it tonight for stroke anymore and you Lena to fuck out. The crazy thing is when I was trying to tune it I had the high I’d like one and a half it wanted a full like 3 1/half plus with us mod after I was done I was not expecting that. I was getting a ton of bars on the low and I could not Revit initially then I just opened that high jet and what bam .
The line on the high jet is for proper alignment to the fuel circuit
Thanks for that. I figured it out as I got further along. Hey, I had a good friend all throughout my childhood named Jonathan Hensley. Are you him?
Not sure lol I had a lot of friends through school come and go in my memory is not the best I’m 43 years old from a small town in Marshall North Carolina been messing around with chainsaws for many years and thoroughly enjoy it. Keep up the good work. 👍🏼
Love the video!
Thanks man! I appreciate it!
Seems strong and sounds sweet. Unlimited coil next?
Unlimited coil for the win.
Where can I get an unlimited coil? I know the 620 has a higher limit, but...it's still limited isn't it?
@@novicelumberjack well... Yes, but it's limited much higher. Really, the 620p carburator is the biggest upgrade. Flows more and better. But the unlimited coil will allow you to tune properly without the coil kicking in/off.
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But what did you actually adjust the carb to?
I would like to know how many turns out from seat position for high and low jet
Carb settings after jb weld and muffler mod please
To be clear, you were showing an "extra" jet, and - if 1 were to do this at-home, they would *not* actually be removing the jet from the carb? They would simply be opening the carb's cover on that side, and plugging with JB? Just wanna be clear!! Cannot believe it but actually had my 590 not start after mussing its carb the other day (it's ported and had been running-lean from a plugged filter, which I still cannot understand but it was running lean as heck and cleaning it made it go haywire and die when I pulled trigger..) May've flooded it, have the factory spec settings tuned in (3/4ths on the H, 1 3/4 on the L, just double-checked that is the OEM tech manual spec, has a good carb-tuning instructional actually am hoping the starting points are OK-enough for my ported&flowed unit..)
"Truly modded"...man this is almost subjective in "common parlance" but I posit this is objective and that NO 590 muff-mod that opens up the rear half can be optimal, they all inherently allow atmosphere "into the mix" by the flange meaning you're altering charge-dynamics for the worse...you can fix it super easily though, using that big top-hole "for access" to the central baffle-wall, enlarge its passage-holes at least 75%+ to the front-half and then seal the top-face ENTIRELY, and make your new exit(s) on the front-face of the muffler (I made mine as a pair, though I could've made 1 exit w/ 2x the size, a pair of 1/2-as-big just has a better sound IMO!!) I did mine to about 75% surface area of the OEM exhaust flange area, though to be fair my flange is widened & port-matched into the muffler but I figured that'd only really affect the characteristics of the port itself not muffler-requirements, and all the books emphasize to go a bit smaller, than risk going a lil too-large, on your muff's final exit....makes sense when you consider how well off-the-shelf saws can perform w/ their choked-up muffs, my 2511 has like barely 1/4"sq exit not even!!
Correct. Just fill the hole while it is still in the carb.
I would like to you put a tachometer on the saw to see where it reaches.
Sounds good
Thanks man! I appreciate it!
I fly radio control aircraft, and a rich engine will not work as well as a properly tuned engine. Fact from 22 years of tweaking needles. If you do this modification, be advised that temperature changes and humidity changes will affect the performance. Modify at your own discretion 😊
Seems a little quicker to rev now that it’s not smothered.
We'll see what it does in the cut.
Looks like you’ve got a winner now. I noticed a momentary lack of RPM gain during all of those accelerations, what’s up with those? “Maybe” another tuning issue, or is it something else?
Good ear! Your Definitely right. This is usually from the low side being too lean in my experience, but I was having such a hard time finding the screwdriver slots, I kinda gave up. Plus, listening to it on video afterwards, I was able to hear a lot more detail. Before I do the Wack-Off, I'll spend a copious amount of time dialing it in and getting it perfect. Hopefully it will make a difference.
I just wanted to make sure that I wasn’t “hearing things”. Thanks for your timely response! ☺️
Question: Can I do the easier muffler mod without having to do the carb mod?
Yes
If you didn't have the bar upside down you probably wouldn't have had to JB weld that hole.
Nice job.
Thanks man! I appreciate it!
Now put a redbeard saws air filter and some west coast felling digs 3 point and it will be more of a beast
I've got bigger plans for this saw. Just saying...
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good job
Thanks!
Boedy, are you sure that "screen" in the nozzle isn't actually the check valve? Just asking..
I guarantee that's a check valve like most the newer carbs have. Once the check valve goes bad the carb won't prime and you get a bunch of air in your primer bulb.
Broody, is this mod applicable to the 620 also?
Is this a cs590? My cs590 isn't black and red. The local dealer didn't bring timberwolf chain bar.
Yes, CS-590. I died the plastics. I have a video of it. It looks amazing!
@@novicelumberjack I also paint. Thank you
I have this same saw
What was your settings on the carb when you got it dialed in?
Shoot man, couldn't tell ya. I'll try to remember and check tomorrow. Don't be afraid to ask again to remind me.
@@novicelumberjack I'd like to know this too! Thanks
@thenovicelumberjack I'd like to know as well. Also what type of jb weld did u use
She cuts EH.
U can go down to the local hardware store and get a reverse thread machine screw. The limiter removal tool is also reverse thread.
Was Tinmans carb from a 600/620?
Great tip! Someone else pointed out that it was a 620 carb. Forgot about that.
9:28 how do you replace that little thing
Well, I have two separate carbs there. I just knocked that one out to show it to the camera, so you don't need to take it out. But if you did...just knock it back in gently and exactly the way it was to begin with.
@@BoedyPennington yeah I have some old carbs and needed the jet check valve for my other chainsaw , I am working on just got a new carb for my Stihl MS250
Mine turns 14to15k purty easy
How did you get past the limited coil?
@@novicelumberjack with stock coil an port work ushud see 13k or touch more 620 coil will let it go up a lot more after port work
The echo 620 series has an unlimited coil!
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Tinmans carb is totally different
Such a nice beam just to waste on a few cookies 🤦♂️
Nope, I got a LOT of cookies from it. Not just a few.
Goofy jobs….
People curse because they cannot express themselves with an intelligent choice of words. Any idiot can curse.
Thanks for your expert opinion. We can't all be as high society as you though. Intelligent talk is just that. Talk
@@rtdc5662 your welcome!
Actually scientific research has proven that the use of "bad" words is one trait of above average intelligence. So maybe you could do a little research before trying to pass judgement on other people, so you don't look fucking stupid
It is you're NOT your.
Intelligent
@@notmee587 AI speech app at its finest.