Can somebody please tell Marvel that having female characters tell their male counterparts that they have suffered more than them when the men have literally been physically abused or even tried to commit suicide is not cute or empowering? Thanks. Yours truly, a woman
@@redalertsteve_ based alert. Women have it infinitely better than men...for the moment. Undoubtedly life will have a way of switching that up given enough time.
What can we expect from a company that fired a man over a woman’s false allegations ( and may I add never apologized for his firing too) Disney hates men
@@whenpigsfly8178 and even then, they'll get a financial stimulus from the American Taxpayer because it's so important that the plebians get their bread and circuses.
why force yourself to do more when you can do 5 and get the point across?? sometimes 10 points is too much then you have vids that do 100 reasons why? and it's like jebus man! look at that 2 hours of someone listing off whatever it is..... seriously I agree, it's smart to limit to a smaller number cus sometimes you can do more with less
that one scene where Riri tried to recreate the same flight test as Tony's mark 2 so effortlessly, even magically made the icing problem disappear, my heart was crushed, that ironman scene was vandalized by some "genius teenager" who can do it effortlessly without any notable effort at all compared to Tony who literally had to test it with many, many trials and errors, literally undermining his legacy by making it something that can easily be replicated by a girl not even a third his age, even already advancing to energy repulsor tech in the first armor
And the thing is if she had some connection to Tony or had his designs that’d be totally fine! Like Peter Parker had Jarvis so it makes sense that his suits would be prevented against the issues Tony faced because HE ALREADY KNEW ABOUT THEM
This is the reason Riri needed more time if they were going to go there, Instead, they shoehorned her into Wakanda Forever. She actually DID have Tony's schematics. She burned the copies before they left the warehouse. The problem is it's a "handwaved" sentence on how she got them, or how she got the materials to build it. I remember when Marvel cared about a character's backstory, especially when it's linked with a legacy hero. Oh well, that's too much to ask, guess I care a lot less now. 😂😂
They did the same thing with shuri years before that when she made stark and banner look like complete idiots (despite their whole shtick being that they are geniuses AND they had more experience with the technology).
@@looinrims let's forget about diversity and stuff because "modern producers" will always do that shit to the point it's best to simply ignore it and actually talk about the actual problem of Riri's character development, at the very least ,I expected her to do that armor making thing AFTER she reached wakanda or something, not before those wakandan found her, like holy shit man, it's seriously baffling how she can make arc reactor that's much more efficient with scraps she found in some household junkyard, even tony and yinsen had to use extremely rare part from stark's super high tech missile, which is not even strong enough to fly mark 1 for more than few minutes and she effortlessly created something strong enough to fly for a prolonged period of time and even be able to shoot repulsor rays at her first makeshift ironman suit project I'm actually fine with her as a diverse ironman-ish female protagonist with a simple fix of her having actual development and connection as to why she is eligible to be ironheart, like for example, tony saved her and her family in the past, she got motivated, developing some smaller gadgets first, slowly building up her repertoire until somehow she tried to help others using her gadgets, getting some connections from some people she saved and getting supports in building even more advance gadgets to the point Shuri somehow caught wind of her technological prowess, secretly helping her with various knowledges and parts, and then finally got into making her first flying suit and AI system, let's see.....a single movie about her before wakanda forever should at least be sufficient introduction instead of simply introducing her outta nowhere already advancing to repulsor beam and efficient flying suit techs TLDR, yes, I actually expected something a wee bit better and got surprised at how much lower the producer can stoop just to introduce ironheart
What's really frustrating about the Wakanda thing is that then hoarding resources and standing by as bad things happen was actually addressed in the original. It was a large part of Killmonger's motivation. So they had some self awareness originally, but now they've regressed.
What's really frustrating about the Wakanda thing is the writers don't seem to understand how isolationist cultures work. Never, throughout history has an isolationist culture become advanced. They tend to fall behind or regress. Just look at any mountain culture such as Appalachia or look at what happened to Japan during their isolationist period.
@@matane2465 good point. I must think of old china in 13th century, which was more advanced than western civilization but isolated itself because "it couldn't learn more from others". Well, science was born and the rest is history...
@@matane2465example is silk. They didn’t know how it was made until someone snuck in and took the caterpillars in a cane lol. After that China didn’t have a strangle hold on silk. Also after they regressed due to Poppy and Opium. It was legal and snuck in. The West was isolated until the americas was “found”. But I think it’s ok to have an isolated nation on screen that’s advanced but make the shit make sense lmao. Namor was under Lester forever and used whales and swimming as transport. Wakanda had ships and buses more advanced than any other nation and similar to gechiles Thanos had and in GOG. But I guess because they had spies in other countries they would learn and take that back and use thier tech to become advanced. The first movie did discuss spies in other countries. My thing is why not do the second movie and lean into what they was doing. They helped like 8 people in the first movie lmao 🤣
@@matane2465 wakanda isn’t a real society, it is not designed to operate as such. That being said there is leadway especially since wakanda is extremely powerful in the comics. The writers are simply trying to portay the nation of wakanda in a realistic way relative to its state in the comics.
@@mikcnmvedmsfonoteka Well Andor was pretty great. It was something fresh and unique and you felt like there were actually stakes there no stakes in the MCU. There's very little consequence to violence (except for No Way Home).
The Disney plus shows have killed the grandeur and the spectacle of the MCU let's be real here - It's just Quantity over quality now - I remember a time not so long ago when an MCU film was announced, the hype and excitement was palpable - now it's just another Disney product to consume - another bland offering on the production line of Meh.
I'm so incredibly thankful that Stan passed before having to see any of this Phase 4 garbage! Nobody deserves to watch their life's work turned into nauseating swill!
When my wife and I finally sat down to watch Black Widow, I had recently watched your video talking about how women will always beat men in many modern movies, and how showing a man beating a woman (evil or not) is almost impossible these days. With that in mind, we actually had several plot points revealed to us: like how when Black Widow was getting beaten by a masked individual, we quickly realized that HAD to be a woman under the mask; or when the big tough guy finally gets to show how big and tough he is, but finds himself fighting women…well…it was obvious what was going to happen. He didn’t get to beat a single one and was just a punching bag. So we tested your observation, and it was completely true.
Funfact: Only the unmasked Task Master was played by Olga Kurylenko, the action scenes/"stunts" were done by a man - it's almost like Darth Vader who was played by David Prowse, voiced by James Earl Jones (because Prowse sounded too English: ua-cam.com/video/KQFho0_G1VI/v-deo.html) and "faced" in his final scene in Return of the Jedi by Sebastian Shaw.
Before I started watching Critical Drinker I went and saw Birds Of Prey. I was absolutely blown away at how every single male, even the god damn egg sandwich guy, was a crude asshole or downright villian. It was so glaringly obvious but my friends just couldn’t see it. I’m glad you got experience black widow with someone like minded lol
I quite liked Black Widow; The early Phase 4 stuff is good, NWH and BW were genuinely good movies, but pretty much everything after these were shit. MOM is easily my least favourite movie, it’s full of cliches, convenient happenings, plot holes and more- I have went on very long rants about this shitty movie but I won’t here because I just can’t stand even thing about MOM anymore.
@@kuchenblechmafiagmbh1381 All true but don't forget Bob Anderson, who was in the Vader suit performing the fights and stunts in episodes V and VI.. 😉 en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Anderson_(fencer)
and notice how they're all white men, with every single one of them being replaced by a 'superior' women (thor, hulk, loki, hawkeye, ironman, black panther and i'm sure there will be more)
Yeah, Wednesday and Enid's friendship was nice and believable, and it served the story. Just because those people are sex-crazed doesn't mean everyone outside of their bubble is.
Because these people see that stuff everywhere. They can't tolerate normal and well balanced friendship. They want everyone to be like them and it's exactly what they do in real life then get angry when they understand that everyone isn't like them.
@@sacha8uk facts. They're so disgustingly sex obsessed with pushing their trash onto others. Not to mention, that they push that onto children. Nasty behaviour.
*All love* is now sexual! Two men can no longer hug without appearing gay. Two women can no longer cuddle in bed without seeming Lesbian. Women whom I've known for *years* won't so much as let me hold their hands or kiss them on the cheek because "it makes them feel uncomfortable." But they'll quickly have sex with men whom they've just men at a night club. And something as ingenuous as *stroking a child's hair* now raises red flags. Mother of God!!!
11:16 the whole time while watching WandaVision, I fully watched it with the mindset that Wanda was in fact the villain. This did not change once during my entire watch.
@@sportsdude2828 It's not fair to compare Phase 3 with Phase 4. Phase 3 was the culmination of a decade+ long journey that took all the different characters and plot points of Phases 1-2 and combined them into a cohesive story. It is more fair to compare Phase 3 with Phase 1 - the start of a new series where you are being introduced to a bunch of random characters who don't have a common story yet.
@sportsdude It's not fair to compare Phase 3 with Phase 4. Phase 3 was the culmination of a decade+ long journey that took all the different characters and plot points of Phases 1-2 and combined them into a cohesive story. It is more fair to compare Phase 3 with Phase 1 - the start of a new series where you are being introduced to a bunch of random characters who don't have a common story yet.
@@tejaswin5404 They're ruining Loki to please their Woke masters. That's all they had to do to lose this proudly het woman fan who doesn't care who that "offends". It was great while it lasted but Phase 4 is chucking it all into that place in space where unwanted things go.
Number 5 is dead on. Literally, in Wanda Vision I didn't understand why everyone pretended the guy trying to stop Wanda from doing something so heinous was viewed as the villain. Like, wat
Then they had that weird scene of him trying to shoot the children literally to remind the audience that he was the villain instead of her. I liked the show but it's very weird indeed.
@Justap Erson what's even weirder is that the children were fake, so he wasn't trying to kill kids, he was trying to stop super-powered projections of a madwoman
And there are literal brain dead Neanderthals who praised and loved Wanda for what she did. With the lame aas argument that people deal with depression in their own ways. Yea well, deal with it any way you want, but atleast have the descency of not harming others for your problems. How can something so important be overlooked like that?
Just look at the justification for Wanda’s actions Wanda enslaved and mass murdering people: “Wanda didn’t know what she’s doing even when she knew it, it was because Darkhold influenced her.” Wanda messed with Tony’s mind into creating Ultron and messed with Bruce’s mind into killing civilians: “Nah, Tony and Bruce are weak-willed pussies. If they are really that good person in the first place, they wouldn’t have their minds controlled easily.” Always a victim, never at fault for her own actions.
A part of what killed it for me was definitely Marvel's new obsession with "strong female" leads. They way they characterise their heroines now just pisses me off: "I suffered more than man, so I'm more deserving of respect!! I'm always much smarter than anyone else in the room!! I use force if man don't listen to me!!" Just UGHHH... That doesn't make me wanna root for them, this makes me want to punch them to stop being so obnoxious
Agreed it is annoying and insulting for any character, male or female, to just show up and demand the same recognition as a character that has paid their dues on and off screen... one of the female characters who was legitimately treated badly and sidelined was BLACK WIDOW
We could have gotten Gunn's original plan to flesh out the Cosmic MCU building up Galactus and the Silver Surfer which would have perfectly segued the Fantastic Four. Or conversely, we could have centered this phase through Doctor Strange, building up the supernatural side of the MCU with Mephisto as the main antagonist and even have that segue into using Blade and Ghost Rider. But instead we get the cabal of clowns.
and now Gunn is gone to DC to try to unfuck it. Marvel is so multifaceted that they could have gone in any direction. super natural with moon knight, blade, werewolf by night, Mephisto, even rented out Morbius from sony would have been great given a story line and some decent production/direction. instead they just vomited garbage of the week oh look this week its the celistials, next week moon knight, next month is magic and multiverse, this summer is replace capt america, fall we are doing a terrible wokanda movie and lets jam a she hulk show in that hates the fandom. brilliant. and they wonder why their highest grossing film since endgame is wokeanda. its not helping that the rest of Disney is just as broke dick creativity wise as Marvel.
I am actually surprised, considering the villains they've already used, that they didn't angle for some alliance of the Scarlet Witch and Gor and Namor and Galactus and so on--that'd be sort of obvious and dumb, to me, but would have been in line with simplistic Hollywood thinking.
When I left the theater after watching Endgame in 2019, I remember telling myself that "it's probably gonna suck after this. This is the peak of the mountain" I'm disappointed that I was right P. S. RIP Jason David Frank
Well you can’t possibly have a bigger battle with more at stake. Then we’re supposed to forget all that and be grateful for much less at the same price.
Honestly Endgame wasn't even the peak. Infinity War was considerably better, and the seeds of idpol and other issues the Drinker mentioned in the video were already beginning to grow. Compare the two side-by-side and it becomes more and more apparent.
I don't even think Endgame was the peak of the mountain. I think Infinity War was the peak of the mountain and it was all downhill from there. Infinity War was a much better movie than Endgame. Endgame wasn't terrible but it had a much less compelling version of the same villain, relied on Captain Marvel based deus ex machina not once but twice to bail out characters from situations she had no reason to even know were happening, contradicted its own time travel rules at the end with Captain America, and had one of the most cringey scenes in the MCU up to that point with the whole "girl power!" thing in the final battle. Sure, they've surpassed that level of cringe many times over since then, but at the time it stood out. For those reasons I think Infinity War was a better movie than Endgame and after IW is when things started going downhill. Captain Marvel was trash for a whole host of reasons we all know, Ant Man and the Wasp was one of the first MCU films to feature the current trend of making the female version of the male hero be better than him in every conceivable way. The cracks in this facade were showing before phase 4 even started.
Unless you were the shareholders that bought up control, forced the maximum production rate at whatever the cost, financed through credit, only to sell out at the peak market when anticipation was high, walk off with your profits while the studio is left with an outraged fan base, lost money and huge bills to pay that you aren't responsible for. I bet someone made some money.
You can build political plots in your established universe. But don't insert political messages from modern world into already existing story, especially if they don't fit.
there is no connection in marvel like before no shield no avengers coming together to fight one evil big guy just doing weird things in their own and world don't care now government don't give a shit about new powerful beings,no rules no limits infinite powers and plus msheu thing ruined mcu
there is no connection in marvel like before no shield no avengers coming together to fight one evil big guy just doing weird things in their own and world don't care now government don't give a shit about new powerful beings,no rules no limits infinite powers and plus msheu thing ruined mcu
Brilliant analysis, Drinker. I have been a huge comics fan all my life and thought the first phases of the MCU were something special. Ever since, Disney’s incessant drumbeat about identity politics and shaping what they feel society should be, not to mention creative meandering, has just put me off. Haven’t seen a new Marvel property since last year now, I just don’t care anymore.
The one difference in Boseman's case is they did not need to get rid of the character, but they chose to do so, and played on the actors' real-life grief over Boseman's loss.
I liked the way Wakanda Forever used that to create some "real" moments of loss. We got the actually see people grieve and those scene did a solid job. But as others have mentioned Black Panther was "snapped" for 5 years. The easiest path (yes Shuri took up the mantle of BP in the comics) was to have M'Baku take the lead. He challenged BP and fought for the throne of Wakanda. M'Baku had already completed most of a hero's journey and showed real growth in WF (that speech about "They view him as a god, we can't kill him." was incredible). If Disney wants to continue a Wakanda franchise, M'Baku is the lead.
I actually liked Wakanda Forever, yet I can understand why so many people have negative views about this movies. I think that had WF been made into a 5-part series for Disney+, this could have then led to a different Black Panther sequel with Wakanda Forever being the bridge between the first BP movie and it’s sequel.
Peak emotional exploitation by Disney. Bob Chapek couldn't be fired quick enough but at the same time, it's not like Bob Iger will turn things around and get back to creatively refreshing ideas, either.
@@AdderTude Bob Iger was the reason behind the decline of Disney content in general since 2005. Chapek has only been CEO for barely a year. These projects take at least 2-3 years of development before we hear about them. All the projects that have come out “under” Chapek were greenlit and developed under Iger’s management. Disney is going in the ground especially since Iger said they aren’t changing the direction they are heading in and they don’t feel they are being political at all.
@@GLJosh Mostly, yes. But those scenes just didn't really fit in the movie. And yet, if you remove those scenes, you have a pretty shit movie. Which is rather the definition of an exploitation movie; if something is included as the hook to make an otherwise lackluster movie remotely interesting, it's exploiting that to save itself. Disney had to include that shit to avoid being another bomb.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised, if the movie They Live was happening in real life. Somebody get me a shotgun, a pair of sunglasses, and just for good measure, a pack of bubblegum.
It's a shame that they seem so afraid to make new characters and instead just keep trying to carry on with the old ones. One of the MCU's greatest strengths was their ability to take minor characters from their IPs that general audiences hadn't heard of, and make us realize why they were so cool. When the MCU started, the main characters people knew about were the X-Men and Spiderman, it was pretty niche to know more than that.
And Hulk. Prior to the X-Men movies, they were almost unknown to non-comics-nerds. The average person on the street knew Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Spider-Man, and Hulk.
that was one of the nice things about the mcu coming from a huge dc fan. I grew up with dc, never cared for marvel. i watched all the shows (batman tas, JLU, etc.), bought the games, filled my room with dc junk, and even owned a few comics. but dc had been historically terrible with their live actions films. to the point where I was embarrassed even hinting to anyone i liked dc. mcu came along and although i originally despised it thinking i was at some kind of war with marvel, i was gradually getting more and more invested with marvel related stuff. these films were just too good to not be a part of. I even found myself looking at origins and was eventually investing more time into marvel interests than dc. idk how, but they somehow managed to crumble all that. they had everyones full attention and turned it to a "lets no longer give a shit" disaster. i wasnt expecting infinity war or end game quality, i dont think anyone was, but holy shit how they managed to ruin everything they built is beyond me. Its definitely weird looking back that they almost converted me into a marvel nut, just for me to no longer give a shit, which really sucks because I was looking forward to more marvel characters I had only heard about.
ikr!?!? there's hundreds of marvel's superpower user, the inhumans, x-men, which by itself can have a lot of groups, etc, heck, they can even use the disband of current avenger to make a plot for new avenger or next avenger, or even made a side story of savage avengers, or the runaways too which introducing... nvm, just searched about them, looks like there's a series of them already, anyway, we still have a lot of interesting heroes to be explored, even the street level duo luke cage and iron fist story sounds interesting for me
@@devilishnessx459 well, yes, but i guess what ian means was to show a different character with different powers, schulk and riri is basically still iron man and hulk, thus, what crit drink said just like upgrading my phone, because how they written and introduced in the mcu not long after the endgame, i'm sure things would be different if they waited a few years and write them better
I honestly loved Shang-Chi. Characters were beautifully fleshed out and the story was rich in detail and heart. That said ... it didn't really feel like it was part of the MCU. Just a great stand-alone story.
Absolutely agree, I feel like it was an amazing movie but they really should have had a way to tie it to marvel more besides Shang chi’s dads organization
@@DokkanMaster Definitely agree with that part. That was a common issue throughout all of phase four, unfortunately. But the film itself was fantastic. I’d have seen it even if it weren’t an MCU movie.
It was just so...... bad. Like, really, _really_ bad. What's even worse is seeing people defend her actions for her _imaginary,_ _made_ _up_ children. They are no more a reality in that fiction then her in our reality.
@@ericboucher799with mostly borrowed powers like pepper pots is in rental yeah thats the same as iron man and ree ree with the glowing boxing gloves lol
@@ericboucher799yeah that was pretty hilarious as well. They acted like “wow look at all these awesome female superheroes” while most of them I was struggling to remember what movie they were originally from. That scene was nothing but a wallpaper with absolutely nothing behind it
I have often considered phase 3 to be telling the Infinity Saga from the Avengers' point of view, where the belief in life is affirmed and that the universe deserves a sceond chance, while phase 4 better articulates Thanos' argument, showing how the continuous thriving of life would eventually lead to complete chaos and degeneracy and that it might have been better if things just ended a bit sooner XD
there is no connection in marvel like before no shield no avengers coming together to fight one evil big guy just doing weird things in their own and world don't care now government don't give a shit about new powerful beings,no rules no limits infinite powers and plus msheu thing ruined mcu
@@langanhlakanipho I'm glad that I did stop after Endgame. The bits of stuff I've caught since then has either been instantly disappointing, (Loki) or outright stomach turning. (She Hulk) As far as I'm concerned, Marvel died with Tony Stark and Captain Rogers.
Everyone's reception to phase 4 is just the parent telling their child "I'm not angry, son. I'm disappointed." And then we go off and frown in disappointment
Reminds me of the Little House on the Prairie books where Ingalls is actually shocked and hurt when he thinks that his girls are telling him a lie to his face. Until they tell the actual truth, that they obeyed the _letter_ of his law but not the spirit. They weren't actually lying, and they can't help but confess what they actually did in the face of his disappointment. And he can only walk to the door quickly so they can't see him laughing in amusement and relief, because they were still very naughty and need to be dealt with. Then he comes back and lays down the rules very clearly and with no room for mistake. And then everything is happy again. Fantastic books, and a great example of actual strong female characters with human attributes, and a strong, loving, protective father and devoted husband who fails in judgement sometimes but is always a rock in the lives of his wife and daughters and always ensures their safety and provision first. Fantastic books.
My father used to always hate watching movies and being reminded of political issues and I always questioned why. I think he summed it up pretty well. "I watch movies to escape the world we live in, not be reminded of how bad it all really is. I'm already aware of these issues and I get they need addressing. That's why I watch the news. I don't watch movies to be reminded of it and if I did: I'd CHOOSE to watch those specific movies about the subject, like Schindlers List or something. I watch Alien or The Terminator to go on a visual adventure and forget the world for an hour or so. Not to be reminded that I'm a bad person with a sordid past." Why can't we have those adventures anymore? It seems everything has to be injected with a moral that doesn't match the story/adventure we're trying to escape to and instead of making it seem more real we're just diluting the plot. The cost of this is regressing away from the adventure/escape we all desire to experience.
I don't even watch new movies unless I have VERY good reasons to believe they won't suck. Like Bob De Niro says in Ronin, "If there's doubt, there's no doubt". We already have a century of cinema at the tip of our fingers. I'd rather catch up with all the great movies I haven't yet watched, hell I'd rewatch Blade Runner for the 500th time before even giving Marvel a chance.
“Identity politics is the death of entertainment”. Very well put my friend. Entertainment is supposed to be a reprieve from daily life, not a deeper plunge into the same shut we’re bombarded with daily.
The problem is that those "politics" boil down to "Side A good, Side B bad" and that's propaganda (unless it is about morally wrong things like war) Politics in media should be something like "Is side A good? Is side B justifiable?" Because then it makes the viewer/reader/player question their own beliefs and can bring some sort of discussion around it, rewarding the player/reader/viewer's intelligence.
@@thinkingboi9508 That's what made Civil War so good. It gave you a dilemma. It invited the audience to form their own opinion, their own ideologies and their own justifications for those ideas. It wasn't like "iron man team is bad. Cap team is good". There was genuine conflict to which the audience could engage. But now the "moral conflicts" they could present aren't even conflicts anymore, they are presented as facts. "Men are bad. Women are good". That's it, the MCU states this as an unquestionable fact. There's no dilemma, no room for discussion.
@@thinkingboi9508 Correct, inserting politics isn't bad when it's subtle and makes the audience ask questions. Not beating you over the head with "the message." No one likes to get preached at. Heck, X-men was essentially a social commentary on Civil Rights. But Stan Lee and Jack Kirby didn't beat you over the head with "Look guys the mutants are marginalized." They were smarter than that, and they even showcased what happens when wanting fairness and equality turns into bitterness and hatred: Magneto.
Is funny how Jennifer Lawrence runs her mouth about man and yet the entire reason why she got movie roles is because she was sleeping with the producer.
Not saying I saw this coming, only that I had a gut feeling after Endgame that we had witnessed the end of the Golden Age for the entire Superhero Genre. But I never realized it would get this bad so fast.
One minute we were soaring high, the next we're falling into the heart of the sea. I didn't think it could fall apart this fast myself either honestly 😂
I had the same feeling, which is partly why I stopped watching at Endgame. The writing was already on the wall with Captain Marvel and then the ridiculous wahmen Avengers link up in the middle of the Endgame battle.
Thank you for never wasting our time, I value your opinion as a writer and being able to listen without self-promotion, upcoming video discussions, sponsorships, etc is quite a boon.
@@seanodeli7031 He promotes his books like twice a year 😂 I was referring to youtubers who feel the need to talk endlessly about their own channel and videos, and still the point you're trying to make is bad.
I would never wish this torture on another person. but I truly think it would be interesting to do a supercut of every time someone in Phase 4 says "You're amazing." I feel like I'm stuck watching a self-help seminar in a hotel lobby
Here's something that could have tied the 4th phase together: a consequence for meddling with time. (If Multiverse of Madness or any other movie covered this, I do apologize. I haven't been invested in Marvel movies for some time.) Be it through some sort of entity that regulates the timestream or some unforeseen anomaly like random events happening in their world, it could have been a way for them all to address individual issues that tie into something bigger down the line. But no, we got stuck with a line-up of characters that didn't necessarily shine.
@@cosmic_tkb Unfortunately, I was being serious because I haven't watched the Loki series. Nice to know that they did address it. Did they at least do it well?
@@ShadwehUmbrea personally, I really liked Loki. It has some problems but overall it’s pretty good. Your comment is hilarious then because you basically described the series, almost exactly lol.
Seems to me that phase 4 was a great opportunity for worldbuilding. You have a planet that is desperately trying to recover from the snap, and then the subsequent undoing of the snap. They kinda tried to do that in Falcon and Winter Soldier, but gave up after that. It just became multiverses and hidden worlds. It's like a kid pulling all their toys out in one room and then going into another room to play video games. "Hey, are you going to clean this mess up?" "No, that's boring. I'm doing this now."
Yeah the snap would have left power vacuums all over the universe that could have been used to write any number of stories. I think that the infinity stones should be indestructible. Bring in Galactus or something. Now that half the universe is dead he's one hungry boi.
Plus the infinite multiverse makes everything meaningless. They treated the Infinity Stones as a throwaway joke in Loki. Who cares that our heroes stopped Thanos in one world when there are infinite other worlds where they didnt?
@@Laneous14 That actually didn't make sense in Loki since the point was they were preventing multiverses from occurring and forcing only one timeline to exist. There should only be one set of Infinity Stones.
I think they said their plan was to give people a break and focus on smaller character-driven stories. The problem is that they can't make those. They're incapable.
The truth is, they had two options after endgame. Double down and start building up the next big villain right away, or what they chose to do instead. Kill off all the momentum and start from scratch campaigning entirely off of nostalgia. They chose wrong. Now that they're finally trying to build up the next villain, their fan base had diminished, and lost their momentum they worked so hard to get
Small character driven stories require smaller production teams who aren't as concerned with the bottom line and more concerned with the characters. Disney just sees small and character driven as buzz words for money
They can’t now because their gender ideologies literally are incapable of not getting in the way. Watch a review of or watch the new Willow tv show to see what I mean. Even a smaller story they literally can’t not do it.
Did you know that for Loki they hired writer who literally hates Loki and didnt even remember correctly the events of the first Thor movie? And director who before the show directed like 1 project? And as female lead,the female Loki, they hired actress who wasnt even a fan of Loki and didnt even remember the Thor movies properly when she got the job?
Exactly right, Drinker. I’m not a hard core Marvel fan but I grew-up reading the comics and watching the movies . Phase 4, has totally been a horrible disappointment. There were a few things good and a lot bad. The identity politics alone are enough to make you puke. Which, is made ten times worse when the actors start talking in interviews. I’ve lost count of the shows I skip because some actor starts spewing woke garbage about the production. It’s sad watching these types of people destroy beloved properties. Don’t pay to watch, don’t ignore when they insult our people and culture, and stand-up for what is right.
Honestly, from the actor interviews I'm surprised many of the shows are not many times worse. Both 'Andor' and 'House of the Dragon' were marketed in interviews as being explicitly anti-Trump, but people who watch them tell me that there isn't even a hint of that in either show.
@@HerculesBallsInc And that you can thank the directors for. But once the director is an activist before artist and heavily biased, their work turns to shit.
@@LittleMopeHead it's such a vile game. I honestly think many people have realized that woke is not the way to go considering that I see a lot of memes abt biden etc lately
The first half of Wandavision had me so excited for something new. If was so inventive and fresh - the first time they actually explored her real powers lol. And then it just became Avengers 14
The last three episodes were depressingly terrible. You couldn’t have wanda being confronted by her past WITHOUT THE WEIRD WITCHY SUBPLOT??? i mean CMON. It felt like an afterthought to even ME. And then there were two visions and sterotypical badass afro lady now has-superpowers? Ok sure why not-? They had something incredibly refreshing going and then what was that ENDING?!
What we’re seeing especially with Marvel is the pendulum effect happening in real time. The harder and more ridiculous they are with pushing “the message” the harder you’re seeing people push back, and just simply tune out, and give up on the MCU. It’s extremely gratifying to see people finally waking up. It took way too long, but the fact is happening makes me very happy..
To a degree. But I'm not sure if that would be true if all of these other problems weren't present. Well, you could argue it's impossible to make anything good and also woke, and I sympathize with that perspective, but replacing all the legacy characters and being woke might work if they had a good story to tell and directors who knew how to handle the size of the project while keeping their own egos in check.
Yeah I've seen myself doing this. I went into Dr. Strange 2 and Thor four hyped and left disappointed, so now I just skip marvel movies unless they seem really good. Like the only upcoming project I give a damn about is Guardians 3. I knew that Black Panther 2 would be preachy and shit, so I saved my money and was right. Watched one episode of She-Hulk and noped the fuck out of there.
@@BWMagus that would require story and character to be the focus of the films while having a next big threat undertone linking in the background. But instead they want to focus on "other things" and if they can show horn in a plot and some characters they'll worry about that later. Also the focus on "humour" where that word has lost all meaning and jokes landing is optional over simply making "jokes", they are there and constant because they are, not because certain characters are funny or unserious, it's just there, always, for everyone. It kills the tone if people can be being murdered in one scene and it's laughed off in the next. Levity is a great thing, it can relieve tension and show personality, but when it's ubiquitous it serves no purpose.
I haven't seen a single phase 4 marvel movie. Before, I would always go to the theater to see a new marvel movie and that culminated with Infinity war and endgame
@@pyropulseIXXI it was a natural stopping point. It had all built up to this, heros were sacrificed, big bad was done. It was an ending. But even though they'd made money, lots of money, ridiculous money. It was ALL the money. So they got right back on the teets and started milking again. Plus they set up their streaming service and needed anchor content to make people pay for it otherwise it wouldn't have got off the floor...
Amazing commentary as always!! I really wish you keep talking about these same issues on other popular 'used to be amazing' shows. Like B99 for example, the character 'Ross' was one of the vital and loveable one, but suddenly the writers shifted and completely ruined her character by making her fall in love with a guy, she wants to marry the guy, she breaks up with him right when he is trying to propose to her, suddenly comes out as bi, sees several women, leaves the agency....and so on i mean they could have delivered the same things very subtly but they ruined that character with absurdity. Also Keely from Ted Lasso in the latest season i mean wtffffffff!!!!
Every phase doesn't need a large scale threat, but something needs to run through all the movies, and Multiverse was never going to be anything else but an excuse to swap out actors. No matter what threats the multiverse holds, they really don't show up until someone chooses to travel from universe to universe, and those threats are usually local to each show.
Larry Niven did a great scifi short story about the multiverse, many decades ago. People are committing suicide at high rates. A police officer is told to find out why. The world has discovered the multiverse and how to easily travel there and back (although the "homing signal" starts to get a little "fuzzy" as time goes by). There's a great horrible ending scene. The officer looking at a window, thinking about everything he's learned, that so many of the suicides had expressed a "nothing matters" view. He pulls out his pistol and checks the load and checks the safety is on and (this goes on for about 8 lines, slightly differing sentences/ ending the story) and puts the gun to his head and pulls the trigger. This could have been a great philosophical question for Phase 4 to address.
@@aeonversestudios01 loki also kinda fucked up premise of the multiverse because now because of loki there is an infinite multiverse and infinite timelines and it gets confusing
Every time I see a director with very little experience hired to direct a big tentpole film, the first thing that comes into my mind is..."The studio is hiring this person because they want a puppet who won't push back on whatever crap corporate tries to shovel into the film."
I feel you there...i noticed they started pulling a lot of writers with literally almost no real writing credits (see she-hulk and Dr. Strange 2) and giving them big tentpole movies to write for. They have been pulling from the rick and morty pool alot lately. While i like the show not all of the writers are capable outside of that room apparently and some are living off the fame of one literal episode (Ms. Gao). Shits crazy.
I think part of the problem is the change in the films. It used to be the standalone films would fill you in on the character, and were entirely enjoyable on their own, with nods to other parts of the universe with everything coming together for the big flick Now it seems they're only interested in the group projects, neglecting the individual ones
That scene in Endgame where Cap wields Mjolnir is one of the greatest moments of my cinema going life. Hundreds of people collectively cheered at that single moment, myself included. That's what Marvel should be. Sadly, that's not what it is anymore.
I was even there for the premiere in my local theater and when that scene happened my theater clapped and cheered, and I was completely mind blown that was even gonna happen, although there was that little tease in Age of Ultron and it came full circle. You don’t get that anymore in Phase 4
The audience I was with did the exact same thing on opening night, however, I think they cheered even louder when Thanos punch Captain Marvel with the power stone.
This is a well done and comprehensive retrospective of phase four's failure. I will never forgive what they did to the Taskmaster, She-Hulk, or Moon Knight.
The fact that I absolutely forgot about Moon Knight says a lot. It's not even 1 year old and if you didn't mention it, I wouldn't have thought of this show ever again. Like many other movies/shows they've done recently. Bland generic CGI heavy shows with no substance.
I legit forgot taskmaster existed until the image flashed up in the video. I'd more or less forgotten Moon Knight too, though that wasn't as bad as most of the TV shows. The 23 films over 10 years Vs 15 products in 2 is the key argument for me though. They're trying to bleed it dry and make every available penny while it's hot and in doing so they are killing what could have been a pay day for years.
Thanks for being so vocal about those issues. As a film lover it's just painful watching how Disney swallows everything, turning it into shit in the process.
as a film lover it is amazing how much shit you guys give disney for bad movies when all they did was pretty much greenlight projects. you hold no accountability to bad direction, writing or acting. you just blame disney... and forget about the tons of classics they have given, forget about the good marvel movies they made, and even good new stuff they had like mandalorian and Andor. you people are all the same. you blame them for everything and and give them credit for nothing even when in both cases it is not all on the company "disneys" fault
8:57 To be honest, I'd have liked to see Bucky take up the shield, because there was a ton of evidence throughout his run that indicated that he would be the next Captain America, but that was unfortunately tossed aside for the sake of identity politics that felt hamfisted and unearned.
Oh, hell, someone really wanted romance between Wednesday and Enid? Their friendship was one of the best parts of the show! We need more wholesome non-romantic relationships on screen!
One thing I've noticed in any sort of media these days, is that people aren't allowed to be friends anymore The only type of relationships allowed now are romantic or family
Yeah, I’m a gay guy, and I am glad I have non romantic guy friends, and portraying platonic relationships (heterosexual or homosexual) onscreen could help promote them in real life. In some ways, taking your cues from movies and such is silly, but movies/TV have always had an effect on our culture, though perhaps less now than in the past.
It would be a lot healthier of a message to state that you don't need to constantly be in a romantic relationship to be happy. Imo this is a pitfall that even good shows fall into always thinking that there has to a hamfisted romance rather than a natural friendship and that its the only way to be truly happy in life.
For a couple years now, I've been describing my relationship to the MCU as an abusive one. When we started out, everything was great! They were consistently doing good things and we were happy. Then there were a couple stumblings, but I was willing to forgive them because there was still more good than bad. Then they started to hurt me and I was having to make a proactive effort to forgive them because I still remembered how good they used to be. Nowadays, the MCU and I are undergoing trial separation, I check up on them every now and again but I don't see them in person.
there is no connection in marvel like before no shield no avengers coming together to fight one evil big guy just doing weird things in their own and world don't care now government don't give a shit about new powerful beings,no rules no limits infinite powers and plus msheu thing ruined mcu
Is it just me or the first few year sucked hard too. I liked the captain america movies, the first iron man, but the rest was very mediocre. I actually liked the infinity war, ragnarok and guardians of the galaxy too, but the rest was very forgettable. I can't say that I am a big fan of phase 4 but I also can't say that any Marvel movies were great. They are entertaining and fun to watch, but none of them are great movies. I feel like the peoples saying they were great movies probably saw them as kids.The only marvel projects that were actually great in my opinion are Daredevil and the first season of Jessica Jones and both were not in the MCU.
@@bulleyes9059 Yeah didnt get this notion either. Thor 1, Thor 2, IM 2, IM 3, IHulk, CptMarvel, SpiderMan HC, Avengers 2, all mediocre movies. Even Doctor Strange missed huge opportunities with its titular character.
I held on to my DisneyPlus account with the optimistic hope like a parent looking at their teenage child thinking, “it’s just a short phase they will figure it out” . Nope,I was wrong I’m done with Disney. Drinker you were right good on you for seeing past the smoke and mirrors.
I think it's a big ship to turn around, especially when each movie supports the story of the next one. It feels like the success of Andor has shown Disney the true path, but it will take time to unclog the pipes.
Cancelled mine too! Even though it's only a few dollars more when bundled with Hulu it's the only way to really say you're unsatisfied. Everyone who continues to pay bc it's bundled or any reason is just contributing to the garage pile of Disney+
I think Disney+ is the reason why the MCU is garbage right now. Like Drinker said about quantity over quality. There has to be a reason to keep Disney+ and one way to ensure that is that there will be a new release coming up. How many have kept accounts because there is a new Marvel property coming up soon. We get that property and it sucks but a huge amount of people have already been suckered into keeping Disney+. I got rid of mine a long time ago as I realized that the new stuff was bland at best.
About point 4: that IS something that has happened time and time again in comics, so I can understand why they tried. The issue is that evenin the comics, it almost never sticks (unless the original character is someone obscure the audience doesn’t care about, like the original Captain Marvel). The replacement sticks around for a few years, and then the original inevitably returns. The only exceptions are for some reason DC characters - Green Lantern, Robin and the Flash - but those titles were established as not belonging to a single person decades ago, and crucially the replacements are usually not that different from the original. And even in those cases nostalgia often wins out and you end up with a whole corps of Green Lanterns all active at the same time.
I dont know what their deal was. It would be so easy to make Annihilus awaken in the Negative Zone in the Multiverse after the events of Endgame. Then they would just bring on new heros like the Sentry, Nova, the Fantastic Four to ad to the old ones. Then they'd have an incoming Annihilation Wave invasion and they would go asking for help throughout the galaxy, introducing new heros and races. Then a massive fight in the end would have Annihilus die and his lose the Cosmic Rod, to be picked up by Dr. Doom, introducing the third next big villain. It seems so easy, that i dont really understand how they didnt think of it.
Because the other part of hollywood in modern era is......when your busy with jamming identity politics into everything it must be a reiteration of the old to show how much "better" it is with it. You can do new stuff because no one will know how much "better" it was with it, that and no one will come to see new properties with identity politics because its new and unknown.
It was very recently revealed why. Marvel executives *admitted* on camera that anytime someone was being interviewed, someone who said they were fans of the comics was an immediate red flag. Because why would Disney want to make a project by fans, for fans--adapted for a general audience to enjoy? Too much money to be made with that route, I guess.
Sometimes, often perhaps, the best person for the job doesn't occupy the position. You should have been in the job to make the Phase IV decision; and guess what? You're at least somewhat of a fan of the source material. The same mistake was made with Star Wars. Instead of getting in someone (like me) who loved the source material (of the original trilogy), someone (like me) who knew that the fans desperately wanted to see Mark Hamill finally get the chance to play Luke Skywalker having adventures as a fully fledged jedi knight (and an especially powerful one at that) and knew how to progress with the franchise by facing the obvious task of finding new potential jedi from the most distant galaxies in the universe to re-establish the jedi order and contain the utter chaos that resulted from the fall of the Emperor (but not the fall of the entire Empire), they gave the job to someone with literally no relevant qualifications. It's such a shame.
Sentry: Powerful straight white male. Can't have that. Nova: Powerful straight white male. Can't have that. Fantastic Four: three straight white males and one straight white female. Can't have that. Sentry would need to be gay and easily bodied by Captain Marvel (though honestly Sentry sucks anyway). Nova would have to be black and Captain Marvel's dorky sidekick. The Fantastic Four need to have one Asian, one Latino, one black guy, and the other needs to be gay. Not Johnny, the "flaming" jokes would be too obvious. Probably Ben. Also Sue is now the brilliant scientist, Reed is at best a sitcom husband. The X-Men can't exist because "men" is problematic. They'll call them the X-Them. Isn't Iceman gay now? He's in. Angel? They'll say he's bi but yeah, not really. The movie is all about Storm and Wolverine is recast with a black guy and if you object you're racist. Gambit was suave and charming in the comics, so now he's the comic relief that the female characters make fun of. Cyclops can remain a straight white guy because he's bland as wet toast and nobody likes him anyway. Jubilee has a prominent role so they can sell it to China. She easily beats up Magneto. Also Mystique was really a man who decided he liked being female better. There you go, welcome to the new MCU!
A lot of us were just done with the MCU with the release of Endgame. My emotional investment reached its peak, it was well rewarded, and I was fine going on with the rest of my life without Marvel stringing me along. Phase 4 could have been masterfully implemented, and I was still done and ready for greener pastures.
Understandable - and I think Disney have no clue that is what happens. I mean, the general vibe of the staff within the company, the management; it's basically a cult. A cult for people who never grow tired, grow out of it, or grow up. They have no concept of relativity - i.e. those kids who loved their Marvel films? Well, they now have jobs, or final year exams, or kids, pay taxes, pay rent or mortgages - they aren't going ti be able to stick around a lot of the time - especially if they aren't wanted or valued by the company. Those who were watching in the older age ranges, those with settled lives and disposable income are often into 2 kids, mortgage, rent, new job, maybe a divorce, illness and infirmity of parents, and so on. They can't stay "Disney adults" - most of the Disney employees are, it seems, and they singularly fail to realise that most of the world just really isn't like that and have failed to plan accordingly. What they are producing isn't appealing (by viewer percentages) to the younger ages, and they lost and willingly dismissed the audiences they had. People aren't going to get a babysitter, or pay to drive/travel to watch, or skip a rent payment to buy tickets for; TV, cinema, parks and merchandise of such low quality.
@@OsellaSquadraCorse It's depressing to think about how much time has gone by, but you're absolutely right. That's the audience who's likely to be nostalgic over the MCU, and I don't think Disney realizes it.
That Wednesday thing! I was telling my American friends that my great grandma spent her final ten years with her childhood friend. They cared about each other and even loved her but it was NOT romantic. The fact that one immediately said "ah of course. They French kissed like sisters" made me creep out cuz how can your mind jump to something sexual about THAT?
And then people wonder why they don't have great friendships like their forefather and foremothers. Why nobody has a Frodo and Sam friendship in their life.
@@jager3090 Oh, yes. And that s sort of my point. To that sort of person any friendship that crosses past superficiality can truly be platonic. A person can t have deep feelings for someone in their life, can't love anyone besides maybe direct blood relatives without it being a romantic, and probably sexual thing. And that s a little sad since humans are capable of such intense love for so many people, and none of it it necessarily romantic or sexual. I personally think Frodo and Sam's relationship being romantic frankly cheapens it. It makes it so much flatter and uninteresting. What makes it beautiful is that the loyalty, trust, and affection between them is pure, true friendship. And that it exists because they mutually chose to grow it and maintain it.
@@rachelclark6393 Frodo and Sam are literally modelled after WWI soldiers who have gone through hell in the trenches together and form a bond few civilians will ever understand.
I've gotta say, I don't always agree with everything that's said, but I appreciate that it gets addressed as part of a rational conversation with specific points, and not overgeneralized ranting with no real point. Kudos, sir, and thank you for being brave enough to talk about your opinions, and being reasonable enough to discuss them like an adult.
During 2019 after I watched Avengers Endgame in the cinema, I remember being super hyped for Phase 4 and would watch countless theory videos on who would be the next big bad of the MCU, who they would introduce next etc. After watching some of Phase 4, I wish that I could go back to that time because the hype I felt for the product was infinitely better than the product itself.
I have no real interest in future Marvel movies. I may see GotG 3,but I won't be in a hurry to see it. I will wait to hear what people say about it first.
Agreed. My husband being one. He gets irritated when I don’t want to watch the latest Marvel pile or I criticize the one he cajoles me in to watching with him.
Phase 4 felt like a movie franchise starting out and trying things to see if they worked. You wouldn't expect a post Endgame Phase to feel like a startup franchise
there is no connection in marvel like before no shield no avengers coming together to fight one evil big guy just doing weird things in their own and world don't care now government don't give a shit about new powerful beings,no rules no limits infinite powers and plus msheu thing ruined mcu
Damn, The Drinker has really gotten better. Leaned more into the intelligent dissection of media WITH comedic inserts that helps drive the point and break up the seriousness of the information being presented. I'm here for it
You are spot on with the characters being replaced by someone younger with the exact same skill set. I grew up watching iron man and captain America. My favorite ever. And for them to just ge replaced with someone is so cringe and hurts.
@@dallasss5658 That's what happens when you put celebrities on a pedestal, lol. These guys need to stop worshipping everyone they see on screen. Accept people for who they are, not for who you think they are. There are actual problems in this world that need our attention yet a huge number of people have forgotten how to see the lines between entertainment and actual problems that need solutions asap!. The fact that they can say a movie 'hurt's' them, shows how emotionally invested they are in things that aren't real. No wonder people don't have a lot of depth to them these days.
@@VeganGoat96 Thousands of years of human culture, billions of people that have gotten invested in some form of entertainment, a psychological system that makes us connect with people we don't know or are made up, but apparently you know best huh
@@VeganGoat96 Wow. Did you ever badly miss the point. (Hint: no one was talking about celebrities). Although I suppose it did allow you an excuse to vomit up your vapid platitudes so you probably think it was worth it to look stupid.
there is no connection in marvel like before no shield no avengers coming together to fight one evil big guy just doing weird things in their own and world don't care now government don't give a shit about new powerful beings,no rules no limits infinite powers and plus msheu thing ruined mcu
Guy who’s name I don’t remember: just wants to free a town, is somehow the bad guy Wanda: IS THE REASON THAT TOWN ISN’T ALREADY FREE, is somehow considered a hero.. at least, until the attempted child murder
The Multiverse stories would've been a great way to introduce Mutants into the MCU. They did the Prof. X cameo, but that's not near enough. Maybe a few Mutants slipped through the cracks and we could've had a post-credits scene with Rogue stealing Capt. Marvel's powers. A scene where Deadpool gets stopped by Spiderman, or maybe a teaser where Hulk goes to investigate a supposed madman and ends up in a fight with someone near immortal. Basically, the Multiverse opening by Dr. Strange could've led to something that could've been a new direction for the series.
I thought something like that with the thunderbolts, in fact, I thought they could build them individually as villains, you know, the Beetle fights Spider-man, The Fixer fights War Machine, Goliath fights Ant-man and so on, then, at the end of those movies, Zemo comes to collect them and form the masters of evil, they get to siege avengers mansion, lose and goes to the fridge for phase 6, and only then, they return as the Thunderbolts.
Over the last 2-3 years I've gotten more joy from the The Drinker ripping on all these movies & shows than actually watching them. Tbh I started to like Marvel's f**k ups cuz it just means I'll just have more hilarious rants to listen to. Sincere thanks brother! Cheers 🍻
I'm not sure I can ever move past the euphoria of Thor arriving in Wakanda. I went to the cinema with a group of mates and that moment is simply electrifying. Good luck making another movie with those sort of stakes.
@@Eli-cs4tk wether you call it bad or good is up to you. But you can't deny the first time you watch this in theatres with your friends, it creates a feeling no Marvel film has produced. Also, "based on nostalgia" is a very weak and dumb excuse to pick on a movie.
@@dottir_ I agree with both of you. Yes, when Toby drops in NWH, that scene meant a lot to me. That scene was top tier amazing for me in the theatre. I was literally screaming in joy along with everyone else. The 2001 Spider Man was the first super hero movie I ever watched, AND it was in the movies. BUT the fact that it's a nostalgia bait cheapens it ever so slightly. I think you're both right. Like, lets say in 20 years that they bring back every original avenger that they can somehow for a movie. Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Hawkeye, Widow, everyone.....That would definitely be amazing, but it won't have that oomph of originality. But as I said, I thouroughly appreciate both of your comments.
I think some silver lining to this for me personally is it's forced me to look outwards, outside of Hollywood and see the amazing work of other countries and creators and oh man, did I find a hell of a lot of gems!
there is no connection in marvel like before no shield no avengers coming together to fight one evil big guy just doing weird things in their own and world don't care now government don't give a shit about new powerful beings,no rules no limits infinite powers and plus msheu thing ruined mcu
thats been the way for a while for me. Stop buying the triple A games, stop watching the hollywood titles, stop listening to the mainstream news, stop following the top of the pops music hits, stop believing anything owned by the main stream because it became a fake & bloated spectacle a long time ago. Instead seek the alternatives in every walk of entertainment and information. You'll get far less bias, a lot more eye opening experiences and you might even learn something useful and interesting. ALSO it's usually a hell of a lot cheaper too, so you get a lot more bang for your bucks.
i agree with most of this stuff, but i genuinely enjoyed loki. it was a perfect way to introduce kang imo and i loved it. season 2 comes out this year and im excited.
I too enjoyed Loki, but tbh, I'm pretty sure it's all because of Tom Hiddleston. Loki is the character we know and love because he has an incredible actor portraying him. It was hard to get behind all the decisions the writers and directors made, but the actor made them bearable. Add Owen Wilson as a great opposite to him, and it was a lot a fun despite its failings. But when you pull it apart, it really doesn't make all that much sense. The Loki who'd been humbled by the loss of his mother and the destruction of his homeland died. The Loki who came to the TVA was a much earlier version who would never have picked up the emotional baggage of his dead counterpart from a few holo vids. He would've kept up his lying, trickster ways without a thought to helping anyone but himself. And don’t get me started on the weird relationship between him and Sylvie.
Excellent video Drinker! If one really wanted to give Jennifer Lawrence a reality check, she would be reminded that Helen Slater headlined her own action movie as Supergirl....in 1984! 😄
@@warofmankind attacked by a lack of knowledge by someone of their own profession! has she been living under a rock for her entire life? Weinstein should have had higher standards.
The lack of direction was really the most frustrating thing for me. It’s not like there wasn’t potential for after Endgame. I was intrigued by some of the things Wandavision did with exploring the aftermath of those lost in the fight against Thanos, the aftermath of the snap’s reversal, and the showing of heroes wondering what to do now that those like Iron Man and Black Widow are gone and the difficulty of picking up where they left off and struggling doing so. The scene of Wanda losing her shit because of the grief of losing Vision is easily my favorite thing since Endgame. It was an appropriate thing to explore further and it was done in a very powerful manner. Yeah they definitely lost it at the end but the potential was absolutely there. There was a lot that they could have done with those themes in particular but I feel like most of that was gone.
@@catalinamelo9932 Right? They're actually really clever and imaginative. It got me really excited that they were trying something different and it was working until it didn't. The leaders failed to realize a lot of people responded positively to Wandavision was because it was trying something different in an inventive way. It was also exploring a lot of the themes I'd expect such as the ones I listed. The best scene in Wandavision other than their fight is Wanda losing her shit because of going to the spot Vision planned for them to live. It's powerful, effective and an appropriate thing to explore given that she lost Vision. Can we get more scenes like that please?
Agreed, Wanda vision was both entertaining and very interesting. It fit in very well with the post-endgame aftermath, giving a meaningful perspective. And that's what I think gave the overall story that extra depth it needed. I loved the perspective, and how the story unfolded. Plenty of interesting plot twists that actually made sense and kept it very entertaining. It's a bit annoying how they keep sliding in the same random superpower side character, that being Monica Rameau, (the one who stopped the bullets by making them go through her) Just the same character as that girl from multiverse of madness (who can make portals to different realities) or that iron Man knock off from wakanda for ever.
@@shanewright4650 I don't hate Monica as much as everyone else but I do agree that she wasn't as developed as she could have been and was taking away from what was working about Wandavision.
The Black Panther mantle is to be earned in trial by combat. Shuri in the movie version MCU never trained in high level combat. Her fail body would shatter no matter what suit she was wearing. Marvel is failing to tell the proper stories. They can create whatever reality they want. We can reject just as easily
Also, the entire plot of the first Black Panther movie is literally about the villain calling out Wakanda's hypocrisy of being selfish while the rest of the African sub-continent suffered.
And also in their defense, Black panther was introduced in phase 3, had 1 solo film, 3 other film appearances, and had the actor not retire but tragically die from cancer.
For me, Endgame was the finish line and I am happy to keep it that way. Hollywood used to know how to entertain so I often find a bit of pleasure in watching classics like Back to the Future, Jurassic Park or Coming to America...
I feel endgame was the end and then far from home was an epilogue to the story in a way, to see the affects of endgame. I haven't even watched an MCU film since. Obviously it would never happen because they want to make more money, but if they ended it at phase 3 I would consider one of the best movie franchises.
@@byronsenior6499 yea, No Way Home is pretty much a direct sequel to Far From Home, with the movie starting right where the after end credits scene left.
Another thing was that some movies that were underrated back then are now classics that shows how painful the present schlock is. One film, "The Hunted," was a brilliant film with a manhunt for a former soldier gone insane from his wartime experiences being chased by not only the FBI and agents of the military, but also his former mentor. It was a deep, emotional Frankenstein style story which had the creator (Tommy Lee Jones) not be directly rejecting his creation (Benicio del Toro), as in the original Mary Shelley storyline, but rather by not answering his creation's written appeals to him for guidance in trying to find his humanity. And it is up to the viewer to realize the potent truth that the reason for such a lack of communication between the two characters is because the tracker/creator was filled with enormous guilt over his role in turning a once good man into a ruthless killing machine.
Phase 4 was definitely far from a perfect phase, but the hype train leading up to No Way Home and the film's release was absolutely amazing. Seeing everyone so excited about the idea of the three live-action Spider-Men unite against classic villains...I remember the cinema being absolutely packed on the first night, people dressing up as Spidey and all. Great times...took me right back to the Infinity War hype
@@onesaucynougat7471 It's not just nostalgia bait, I'm sick of hearing this. It used Tobey and Andrew to complete Tom's arc from the last two movies. It also kept the Spidey's and their villains consistent and improved on them in some ways. Yeah it had nostalgia, but that's not all it was.
You said *EVERYTHING* I had been feeling about phase 4. I've been reading Marvel Comics since '67 and have always been Marvel's #1 fan. Unfortunately, I can't choke down anymore of this puke they're peddling.
Stan lee got sick of the old media that was making political comics and entertainment with the message "hitler bad" . went out on his own to create a comic himself and thus lead to the massive juggernaut marvel is today. Now, history really repeats itself from the same thing but in the form of mainstream media with their message. The only thing that people need to do is literally do the same thing stan did then, make your own.
Something I don't think many people talk about is all of this wokeness has seriously damaged the on screen presence of all those groups they say they're helping, you know, everyone except for straight whtie dudes. What I mean is if I saw a black character that was whtie in another rendition like on a comic book or older movie or a gay character I'd either think "Oh, that's neat" or not even give it any thought and just go on enjoying the film. Now though when I see that I'm thinking "Aw damnit, here we go again" and I think that's what alot of people do now. When I was a kid in the 80s and I'd be watching one of the two Star Wars films with Lando I wasn't thinking "Wow. A black guy." I was thinking "Hey, that's Lando." Films didn't have to draw all this attention to the fact they've got someone who isn't white, straight and male in the movie. Put whoever you want in a movie, but this isn't the 20s. You're not doing shit by your casting decisions because nobody is marginalizing these groups you say are marginalized.
But Lando wasn't a leading character in the Star Wars movies back in the 80s. We never followed his back story of how he got where he was. There wasn't a Lando solo movie. The main Star Wars leads at that time were white, straight, and mostly male (with exception of straight white leia) but it was predominately Luke's story over the course of the three films. Even though Vader was voiced by a black man, guess who's face we saw on screen when it was reveal? A white man. Look at the majority of Marvel movies - mostly straight white male leads for several phases. Kevin Feige stated he had to fight for years to make movies with diverse leads until Disney promoted him. Both Black Panther and Shang-Chi were originally planned to have their own solos in the MCU long before Iron Man was even in the picture. Yet the Black Panther solo didn't come till over a decade later and Shang-Chi longer than that. Marvel's first female led MCU Movie didn't happen until after 21 movies. We know from leaked emails that there was skepticism in the past about whether these films could do well in box office revenue, which was reflective of the attitudes toward these groups in terms of value they could bring. So in regard to Hollywood representation (like lead roles) yeah...they were marginalized. The point being: Attention will always be drawn to the leads of a movie or franchise. So people are gonna know when the leads aren't straight or white or predominately male because....not having many diverse lead characters IS the way its mostly been.
@@tyrchtemph1881 Most of this is moot because Star Wars was always about Luke and the Force. The side characters being great were a bonus, you act as if Lando wasn't well liked or popular when he was. How much did we learn about any of the side characters? Not much. It's not like there was anymore focus on them, we even got to see a redemption arc for Lando who leads the Rebellion along with Akbar to attack the death star. Lando even was piloting the Falcon. As for your complaints about "white straight men" , well I hate to break it to you but the largest consumer of these products were white straight males, who live in an area that's majority white. Shocking. I know. It's crazy why they'd pick a demographic that would be the most likely to buy into or appreciate the story at hand. It's like people think it's some grand conspiracy when the reality is, it's mostly marketing. It's not like we don't have products aimed at black people or Asians etc. Nobody would care if they put out more non-white characters or women. Yet when those characters are stereotypes of the worst kind, wrapped up in preachy ideologies or made to be insufferable, people check out. Tearing down your core demographic or anyone in general to try and build others never works.
I agree. I'm sick and tired of seeing characters being race and gender swapped, even if it's not the main character. There is no need because the comic books are full of diversity and inclusion. Just follow them, I don't get what the big deal is? Also, I think it's horrible to change an already established character just because you want to be inclusive, what about the original creator, that's being disrespectful to them.
This is very revealing and interesting. It's a confession on how when you growing up non-white, or gay characters were so rare that it would suprise you. Oh my god a black character, a gay character! But you never questioned the overwhelming amount of white casts or the generic white male lead role or their qualification and ability to do the job. But now because perhaps the default white male option isn't used as much as before you question the suitability of qualification of everyone who is non-white in movies. It shows how ethno-centric your world view is. Considering the optimal cinema and screen presence (70s and 80s) as optimal just exposes your biases and reflection of the culture and people you want to see on screen.
@@isaacm2374 Born when country was 97% white now it is 52% white. You exposed your lack of education and understanding of cause and effect at societal level. At least you will get to live very, very interesting times. It´s not like there is whole history of humankind to learn what happens next. I genuinely hope you live very long so you can experience future as it unfolds.
So refreshing for you to call out Chloe Zhao. She took her popularity by filming where I grew up and then headed out. She could've hired the people she worked with here to gain more recognition in hollywood. But nope, decided she took the fame and somehow ended up directing The Eternals. I'm guessing she will come right back and work with her "crew" and regain that popularity again 🤦♂
She didn't get to say very much on who and what was done. Disney/Marvel just used her as a figurehead so they could get some headlines. She admitted how little she actually got to contribute on the film in an interview with NPR
I mean, I don't think she's obligated to bring them with her. It's nice if she does. But at the end of the day it's a job. If she feels like getting new people as a boss that's not really douchie or anything, it's just business.
If they wanted to bring in new characters to replace captain America and stuff; they really should have done origin stories for them so that they earned their position, or at least started to before picking up the mantel. For instance brining in the new person in the way they brought Ant Man into his role would have been perfect.
No one seems to notice it but Hank Pym not being Ant Man is a horrible message. "If you make one mistake during a psychotic episode you can never live it down and are a horrible piece of shit forever!" Then the same people who say that will talk about the importance of mental health. It's ridiculous. Ant Man is the only mantle passing in the Marvel Comics that I can think of that was actually successful. DC has pulled off 3. Sure, the *name* of Captain America was passed down but when people say "Captain America" they're talking about Steve Rogers, not Sam Wilson. That's nothing against Sam Wilson either. I like him as a character but he's The Falcon, not Captain America.
I had an amazing experience related to modern Hollywood recently. I walked by a Redbox and realized I didn't recognize any of the offerings. I'm so out of touch with the absolute sewer dung that's being crapped out that I have no idea what any of it is. The last "new" release that I've seen is Joker. And, most likely, it will be that way for the rest if my life. Luckily, I still have the great movies I grew up watching like Big Trouble in Little China, War Games, Breakfast Club, etc... And my children are now experiencing those movies for the first time and they've enjoyed them more than the modern cookie cutter movies written by talentless activists.
Give independent artists and creators a chance. Even TCD has written his own books, and so have I. 🙂 Mine are titled "Diamond Dragons". The biggest problem is that rich narcissists with no talent or experience have control of what people will see. But the poor creators who have actually done the WORK over the years are constantly ignored. 🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨
Doubt that it's you're out of touch. Mroe like many films didn't get the marketing needed due to covid and shit. Films being made during covid should are stjll coming out and those released during covid, didn't get much fare due to more important stuff going on to care.
You will never again watch a new movie? I mean, you do you but there are still plenty of decent movies coming out... But in terms of 'superhero' movies, yes I'm with you, we've been there and we've done that. We've upped the stakes until they were so big literally anything could happen and nothing had meaning anymore. Time to move on. Joker was an ok movie but if it weren't for Joaquin Phoenix, that movie would have been just 'meh' and I believe that it could have been a way better movie if it wasn't set in the batman universe. I liked Joaquin's 'You were never really here' much much more because it's world building felt more real.
As an old school comics fan, there's a morbid fascination in watching Hollywood recreate the sins of the comics industry in fast-forward and then wondering why stuff isn't clicking when it's the same crap that wrecked comics. It's like they had instructions for demolishing a skyscraper and somehow got them confused for the construction blueprints.
9:30 this explains why the only MCU character I've been remotely invested in in phase 4 has been Doctor Strange because he's the only one with any meaning to me.
Thanos was the good guy after all. He tried to prevent this from happening. He tried to save us from phase 4 and beyond.
thanos did nothing wrong
And he looked back on a thankful universe.
I don't agree with Thanos's goals, but let's just go back to before Endgame released.
If you think about it, he gave them 5 years before Phase 4 started
Now what he said in endgame makes more sense
Thanos: You should be grateful
Can somebody please tell Marvel that having female characters tell their male counterparts that they have suffered more than them when the men have literally been physically abused or even tried to commit suicide is not cute or empowering? Thanks.
Yours truly,
a woman
Indeed. Its also not even correct
Only financial failure will get through to their bosses.
@@redalertsteve_ based alert.
Women have it infinitely better than men...for the moment. Undoubtedly life will have a way of switching that up given enough time.
What can we expect from a company that fired a man over a woman’s false allegations ( and may I add never apologized for his firing too) Disney hates men
@@whenpigsfly8178 and even then, they'll get a financial stimulus from the American Taxpayer because it's so important that the plebians get their bread and circuses.
I think we'll all recognize the real talent here was Critical Drinker limiting himself to just five reasons.
why force yourself to do more when you can do 5 and get the point across??
sometimes 10 points is too much then you have vids that do 100 reasons why? and it's like jebus man! look at that 2 hours of someone listing off whatever it is.....
seriously I agree, it's smart to limit to a smaller number cus sometimes you can do more with less
I think we've seen from Drinker's novels that he has no talent.
@@Dragonage2ftw i mean i guess
Agreed
@flashbang.. thats a recipe for disaster
that one scene where Riri tried to recreate the same flight test as Tony's mark 2 so effortlessly, even magically made the icing problem disappear, my heart was crushed, that ironman scene was vandalized by some "genius teenager" who can do it effortlessly without any notable effort at all compared to Tony who literally had to test it with many, many trials and errors, literally undermining his legacy by making it something that can easily be replicated by a girl not even a third his age, even already advancing to energy repulsor tech in the first armor
And the thing is if she had some connection to Tony or had his designs that’d be totally fine! Like Peter Parker had Jarvis so it makes sense that his suits would be prevented against the issues Tony faced because HE ALREADY KNEW ABOUT THEM
This is the reason Riri needed more time if they were going to go there, Instead, they shoehorned her into Wakanda Forever. She actually DID have Tony's schematics. She burned the copies before they left the warehouse. The problem is it's a "handwaved" sentence on how she got them, or how she got the materials to build it. I remember when Marvel cared about a character's backstory, especially when it's linked with a legacy hero. Oh well, that's too much to ask, guess I care a lot less now. 😂😂
Did you expect anything different from the diverse female protagonist?
They did the same thing with shuri years before that when she made stark and banner look like complete idiots (despite their whole shtick being that they are geniuses AND they had more experience with the technology).
@@looinrims let's forget about diversity and stuff because "modern producers" will always do that shit to the point it's best to simply ignore it and actually talk about the actual problem of Riri's character development, at the very least ,I expected her to do that armor making thing AFTER she reached wakanda or something, not before those wakandan found her, like holy shit man, it's seriously baffling how she can make arc reactor that's much more efficient with scraps she found in some household junkyard, even tony and yinsen had to use extremely rare part from stark's super high tech missile, which is not even strong enough to fly mark 1 for more than few minutes and she effortlessly created something strong enough to fly for a prolonged period of time and even be able to shoot repulsor rays at her first makeshift ironman suit project
I'm actually fine with her as a diverse ironman-ish female protagonist with a simple fix of her having actual development and connection as to why she is eligible to be ironheart, like for example, tony saved her and her family in the past, she got motivated, developing some smaller gadgets first, slowly building up her repertoire until somehow she tried to help others using her gadgets, getting some connections from some people she saved and getting supports in building even more advance gadgets to the point Shuri somehow caught wind of her technological prowess, secretly helping her with various knowledges and parts, and then finally got into making her first flying suit and AI system, let's see.....a single movie about her before wakanda forever should at least be sufficient introduction instead of simply introducing her outta nowhere already advancing to repulsor beam and efficient flying suit techs
TLDR, yes, I actually expected something a wee bit better and got surprised at how much lower the producer can stoop just to introduce ironheart
What's really frustrating about the Wakanda thing is that then hoarding resources and standing by as bad things happen was actually addressed in the original. It was a large part of Killmonger's motivation. So they had some self awareness originally, but now they've regressed.
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What's really frustrating about the Wakanda thing is the writers don't seem to understand how isolationist cultures work. Never, throughout history has an isolationist culture become advanced. They tend to fall behind or regress. Just look at any mountain culture such as Appalachia or look at what happened to Japan during their isolationist period.
@@matane2465 good point. I must think of old china in 13th century, which was more advanced than western civilization but isolated itself because "it couldn't learn more from others". Well, science was born and the rest is history...
@@matane2465example is silk. They didn’t know how it was made until someone snuck in and took the caterpillars in a cane lol. After that China didn’t have a strangle hold on silk. Also after they regressed due to Poppy and Opium. It was legal and snuck in. The West was isolated until the americas was “found”. But I think it’s ok to have an isolated nation on screen that’s advanced but make the shit make sense lmao. Namor was under Lester forever and used whales and swimming as transport. Wakanda had ships and buses more advanced than any other nation and similar to gechiles Thanos had and in GOG. But I guess because they had spies in other countries they would learn and take that back and use thier tech to become advanced. The first movie did discuss spies in other countries. My thing is why not do the second movie and lean into what they was doing. They helped like 8 people in the first movie lmao 🤣
@@matane2465 wakanda isn’t a real society, it is not designed to operate as such. That being said there is leadway especially since wakanda is extremely powerful in the comics. The writers are simply trying to portay the nation of wakanda in a realistic way relative to its state in the comics.
MCU Phase 4 is like taking some random side quests after completing the main campaign.
@@jet0802 Pointless side quests is more like it
Yeah, but like fetch quests and trailing missions. Real bottom of the barrel stuff.
This is exactly how I felt.
Perfect analogy. The crappy sidestories written in five minutes. Exactly what it feels like.
Lmao exactly 😂
I don't know how Disney managed to make the MCU's world building feel so small in the recent years
small, boring and generic dont forget predictable.
Recent years? Ur acting it has been a long time phase 4 was only like a year and a half
@@purefoldnz3070 that's what also happened to Star Trek , Star Wars etc, well Prodigy and Lower Decks is ok but live action just terrible
@@mikcnmvedmsfonoteka Well Andor was pretty great. It was something fresh and unique and you felt like there were actually stakes there no stakes in the MCU. There's very little consequence to violence (except for No Way Home).
The Disney plus shows have killed the grandeur and the spectacle of the MCU let's be real here - It's just Quantity over quality now - I remember a time not so long ago when an MCU film was announced, the hype and excitement was palpable - now it's just another Disney product to consume - another bland offering on the production line of Meh.
Finally someone who tells it how it is… the heart in Marvel left when we lost Stan Lee
True. The lack of spirit truly shows. None of the shows or movies had a lasting impact. It was more like fanfiction. It was fun..... but nothing else
I'm so incredibly thankful that Stan passed before having to see any of this Phase 4 garbage! Nobody deserves to watch their life's work turned into nauseating swill!
He’s just a hater.
@@Jensen-C he's not a hater. He had extremely valid reasons why Marvel has gone downhill since end game. Did you not watch the video?
Stan lee had nothing to do with the movies. He was listed as an executive producer in all of them as a gesture.
When my wife and I finally sat down to watch Black Widow, I had recently watched your video talking about how women will always beat men in many modern movies, and how showing a man beating a woman (evil or not) is almost impossible these days.
With that in mind, we actually had several plot points revealed to us: like how when Black Widow was getting beaten by a masked individual, we quickly realized that HAD to be a woman under the mask; or when the big tough guy finally gets to show how big and tough he is, but finds himself fighting women…well…it was obvious what was going to happen. He didn’t get to beat a single one and was just a punching bag.
So we tested your observation, and it was completely true.
Damn
Funfact: Only the unmasked Task Master was played by Olga Kurylenko, the action scenes/"stunts" were done by a man - it's almost like Darth Vader who was played by David Prowse, voiced by James Earl Jones (because Prowse sounded too English: ua-cam.com/video/KQFho0_G1VI/v-deo.html) and "faced" in his final scene in Return of the Jedi by Sebastian Shaw.
Before I started watching Critical Drinker I went and saw Birds Of Prey. I was absolutely blown away at how every single male, even the god damn egg sandwich guy, was a crude asshole or downright villian. It was so glaringly obvious but my friends just couldn’t see it.
I’m glad you got experience black widow with someone like minded lol
I quite liked Black Widow;
The early Phase 4 stuff is good, NWH and BW were genuinely good movies, but pretty much everything after these were shit. MOM is easily my least favourite movie, it’s full of cliches, convenient happenings, plot holes and more- I have went on very long rants about this shitty movie but I won’t here because I just can’t stand even thing about MOM anymore.
@@kuchenblechmafiagmbh1381
All true but don't forget Bob Anderson, who was in the Vader suit performing the fights and stunts in episodes V and VI.. 😉
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Anderson_(fencer)
I think what killed phase 4 for me was how they took powerful characters and turned them into jokes constantly
They've completely ruined Thor
Hulk
thor, hulk, loki, bucky hell even hawkeye
Thor Love and Thunder isn't canon
and notice how they're all white men, with every single one of them being replaced by a 'superior' women (thor, hulk, loki, hawkeye, ironman, black panther and i'm sure there will be more)
The Idea that any 2 women in any show now have to be anything but friends is really crazy.
Yeah, Wednesday and Enid's friendship was nice and believable, and it served the story. Just because those people are sex-crazed doesn't mean everyone outside of their bubble is.
Because these people see that stuff everywhere. They can't tolerate normal and well balanced friendship. They want everyone to be like them and it's exactly what they do in real life then get angry when they understand that everyone isn't like them.
@@sacha8uk facts. They're so disgustingly sex obsessed with pushing their trash onto others. Not to mention, that they push that onto children. Nasty behaviour.
*All love* is now sexual!
Two men can no longer hug without appearing gay. Two women can no longer cuddle in bed without seeming Lesbian.
Women whom I've known for *years* won't so much as let me hold their hands or kiss them on the cheek because "it makes them feel uncomfortable." But they'll quickly have sex with men whom they've just men at a night club.
And something as ingenuous as *stroking a child's hair* now raises red flags.
Mother of God!!!
Trying too push this Girl boss narrative
11:16 the whole time while watching WandaVision, I fully watched it with the mindset that Wanda was in fact the villain.
This did not change once during my entire watch.
Based
she was never supposed to be seen as a victim. at least i hope not
In the 90s, we assumed Demolition Man was an action movie. It’s sadly a documentary that was ahead of its time.
Now we just sit back and wait for Taco Bell to have a dress code and wait staff.
Thought u were talking about the Avenger for a second lol
Idiocracy is another movie that seems like it's going to come true.
@@brittscott4673 It's a work in progress.
Demolition Man was awesome, god I miss such movies
"Soulless" is a great way to describe phase 4. This was an excellent breakdown.
@@sportsdude2828 It's not fair to compare Phase 3 with Phase 4. Phase 3 was the culmination of a decade+ long journey that took all the different characters and plot points of Phases 1-2 and combined them into a cohesive story. It is more fair to compare Phase 3 with Phase 1 - the start of a new series where you are being introduced to a bunch of random characters who don't have a common story yet.
@sportsdude It's not fair to compare Phase 3 with Phase 4. Phase 3 was the culmination of a decade+ long journey that took all the different characters and plot points of Phases 1-2 and combined them into a cohesive story. It is more fair to compare Phase 3 with Phase 1 - the start of a new series where you are being introduced to a bunch of random characters who don't have a common story yet.
"Identity politics" is the one that turned me off & my family in not watching marvel projects anymore in theaters or on streaming platforms
@@tejaswin5404 They're ruining Loki to please their Woke masters. That's all they had to do to lose this proudly het woman fan who doesn't care who that "offends". It was great while it lasted but Phase 4 is chucking it all into that place in space where unwanted things go.
You mean whiteless
Number 5 is dead on. Literally, in Wanda Vision I didn't understand why everyone pretended the guy trying to stop Wanda from doing something so heinous was viewed as the villain. Like, wat
Who was even the villain I forgot
Then they had that weird scene of him trying to shoot the children literally to remind the audience that he was the villain instead of her. I liked the show but it's very weird indeed.
@Justap Erson what's even weirder is that the children were fake, so he wasn't trying to kill kids, he was trying to stop super-powered projections of a madwoman
And there are literal brain dead Neanderthals who praised and loved Wanda for what she did. With the lame aas argument that people deal with depression in their own ways. Yea well, deal with it any way you want, but atleast have the descency of not harming others for your problems. How can something so important be overlooked like that?
Just look at the justification for Wanda’s actions
Wanda enslaved and mass murdering people: “Wanda didn’t know what she’s doing even when she knew it, it was because Darkhold influenced her.”
Wanda messed with Tony’s mind into creating Ultron and messed with Bruce’s mind into killing civilians: “Nah, Tony and Bruce are weak-willed pussies. If they are really that good person in the first place, they wouldn’t have their minds controlled easily.”
Always a victim, never at fault for her own actions.
A part of what killed it for me was definitely Marvel's new obsession with "strong female" leads. They way they characterise their heroines now just pisses me off: "I suffered more than man, so I'm more deserving of respect!! I'm always much smarter than anyone else in the room!! I use force if man don't listen to me!!" Just UGHHH... That doesn't make me wanna root for them, this makes me want to punch them to stop being so obnoxious
Agreed it is annoying and insulting for any character, male or female, to just show up and demand the same recognition as a character that has paid their dues on and off screen... one of the female characters who was legitimately treated badly and sidelined was BLACK WIDOW
“Replacing your favorite superhero is simple and mundane as upgrading your phone to a newer model” that is very well said.
Just cross out "your favorite superhero" and write in "you", and you will see why they do this: that's what the globalists think of people.
From their Corporate point of view, anyway
We could have gotten Gunn's original plan to flesh out the Cosmic MCU building up Galactus and the Silver Surfer which would have perfectly segued the Fantastic Four. Or conversely, we could have centered this phase through Doctor Strange, building up the supernatural side of the MCU with Mephisto as the main antagonist and even have that segue into using Blade and Ghost Rider. But instead we get the cabal of clowns.
Eh. With James Gunn involved, I would've totally watched that.
what could have been...
and now Gunn is gone to DC to try to unfuck it. Marvel is so multifaceted that they could have gone in any direction. super natural with moon knight, blade, werewolf by night, Mephisto, even rented out Morbius from sony would have been great given a story line and some decent production/direction. instead they just vomited garbage of the week oh look this week its the celistials, next week moon knight, next month is magic and multiverse, this summer is replace capt america, fall we are doing a terrible wokanda movie and lets jam a she hulk show in that hates the fandom.
brilliant. and they wonder why their highest grossing film since endgame is wokeanda.
its not helping that the rest of Disney is just as broke dick creativity wise as Marvel.
Now I'm really upset that we didn't get any of that.
I am actually surprised, considering the villains they've already used, that they didn't angle for some alliance of the Scarlet Witch and Gor and Namor and Galactus and so on--that'd be sort of obvious and dumb, to me, but would have been in line with simplistic Hollywood thinking.
When I left the theater after watching Endgame in 2019, I remember telling myself that "it's probably gonna suck after this. This is the peak of the mountain"
I'm disappointed that I was right
P. S. RIP Jason David Frank
Well you can’t possibly have a bigger battle with more at stake. Then we’re supposed to forget all that and be grateful for much less at the same price.
They forgot to bring their snowboard for the ride down so now we’re hiking back with them
Honestly Endgame wasn't even the peak. Infinity War was considerably better, and the seeds of idpol and other issues the Drinker mentioned in the video were already beginning to grow. Compare the two side-by-side and it becomes more and more apparent.
I knew it was the peak but I didn’t expect it to be a fucking cliff after that
I don't even think Endgame was the peak of the mountain. I think Infinity War was the peak of the mountain and it was all downhill from there. Infinity War was a much better movie than Endgame. Endgame wasn't terrible but it had a much less compelling version of the same villain, relied on Captain Marvel based deus ex machina not once but twice to bail out characters from situations she had no reason to even know were happening, contradicted its own time travel rules at the end with Captain America, and had one of the most cringey scenes in the MCU up to that point with the whole "girl power!" thing in the final battle. Sure, they've surpassed that level of cringe many times over since then, but at the time it stood out. For those reasons I think Infinity War was a better movie than Endgame and after IW is when things started going downhill. Captain Marvel was trash for a whole host of reasons we all know, Ant Man and the Wasp was one of the first MCU films to feature the current trend of making the female version of the male hero be better than him in every conceivable way. The cracks in this facade were showing before phase 4 even started.
"Take your time, do it right, respect the source material" = make billions...
"Rush it" = destroy the franchise, lose billions...
Unless you were the shareholders that bought up control, forced the maximum production rate at whatever the cost, financed through credit, only to sell out at the peak market when anticipation was high, walk off with your profits while the studio is left with an outraged fan base, lost money and huge bills to pay that you aren't responsible for. I bet someone made some money.
@@justforever96 sure, money was made... but THEY COULD HAVE MADE SO MUCH MORE had they taken a little extra time to keep the quality up...
"Politics is the death of entertainment."
- another wise quote from the Critical Drinker
You can build political plots in your established universe. But don't insert political messages from modern world into already existing story, especially if they don't fit.
There is a reason actors should stay away from politics. If you get mixed up in that stuff, you have no choice but to piss someone off.
there is no connection in marvel like before no shield no avengers coming together to fight one evil big guy just doing weird things in their own and world don't care now government don't give a shit about new powerful beings,no rules no limits infinite powers and plus msheu thing ruined mcu
@@Mediados People only say celebrities shouldn't speak on politics when they are supporting someone or something that you dont.
UA-cam is deleting comment hard on this video.
Phase 4 is like taking a sh!t, letting it dry and then calling it art.
It's more like diarrhoea, except that you're selling it to people under the pretense that it's gravy.
Poop art has been a thing in the last 20 years, so you are not far off.
there is no connection in marvel like before no shield no avengers coming together to fight one evil big guy just doing weird things in their own and world don't care now government don't give a shit about new powerful beings,no rules no limits infinite powers and plus msheu thing ruined mcu
True, I've had shits that are more artistic than 99% of phase 4
Dude this comment right here
A correction, they did have an over arching theme to tie them together, and a villain to do the same; the message.
I think he means in-universe theme. The message was entirely meta and incidental to the thing itself.
@@Tyler_W That's the joke
I just read 'A correction' as 'An erection'. 😅
@@Tyler_W so dense.....
Nice 👍
Brilliant analysis, Drinker. I have been a huge comics fan all my life and thought the first phases of the MCU were something special. Ever since, Disney’s incessant drumbeat about identity politics and shaping what they feel society should be, not to mention creative meandering, has just put me off. Haven’t seen a new Marvel property since last year now, I just don’t care anymore.
The one difference in Boseman's case is they did not need to get rid of the character, but they chose to do so, and played on the actors' real-life grief over Boseman's loss.
I liked the way Wakanda Forever used that to create some "real" moments of loss. We got the actually see people grieve and those scene did a solid job. But as others have mentioned Black Panther was "snapped" for 5 years. The easiest path (yes Shuri took up the mantle of BP in the comics) was to have M'Baku take the lead. He challenged BP and fought for the throne of Wakanda. M'Baku had already completed most of a hero's journey and showed real growth in WF (that speech about "They view him as a god, we can't kill him." was incredible). If Disney wants to continue a Wakanda franchise, M'Baku is the lead.
I actually liked Wakanda Forever, yet I can understand why so many people have negative views about this movies. I think that had WF been made into a 5-part series for Disney+, this could have then led to a different Black Panther sequel with Wakanda Forever being the bridge between the first BP movie and it’s sequel.
Peak emotional exploitation by Disney. Bob Chapek couldn't be fired quick enough but at the same time, it's not like Bob Iger will turn things around and get back to creatively refreshing ideas, either.
@@AdderTude Bob Iger was the reason behind the decline of Disney content in general since 2005. Chapek has only been CEO for barely a year. These projects take at least 2-3 years of development before we hear about them. All the projects that have come out “under” Chapek were greenlit and developed under Iger’s management. Disney is going in the ground especially since Iger said they aren’t changing the direction they are heading in and they don’t feel they are being political at all.
@@GLJosh Mostly, yes. But those scenes just didn't really fit in the movie. And yet, if you remove those scenes, you have a pretty shit movie. Which is rather the definition of an exploitation movie; if something is included as the hook to make an otherwise lackluster movie remotely interesting, it's exploiting that to save itself. Disney had to include that shit to avoid being another bomb.
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It's a shame that they seem so afraid to make new characters and instead just keep trying to carry on with the old ones. One of the MCU's greatest strengths was their ability to take minor characters from their IPs that general audiences hadn't heard of, and make us realize why they were so cool. When the MCU started, the main characters people knew about were the X-Men and Spiderman, it was pretty niche to know more than that.
And Hulk. Prior to the X-Men movies, they were almost unknown to non-comics-nerds.
The average person on the street knew Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Spider-Man, and Hulk.
that was one of the nice things about the mcu coming from a huge dc fan. I grew up with dc, never cared for marvel. i watched all the shows (batman tas, JLU, etc.), bought the games, filled my room with dc junk, and even owned a few comics. but dc had been historically terrible with their live actions films. to the point where I was embarrassed even hinting to anyone i liked dc. mcu came along and although i originally despised it thinking i was at some kind of war with marvel, i was gradually getting more and more invested with marvel related stuff. these films were just too good to not be a part of. I even found myself looking at origins and was eventually investing more time into marvel interests than dc. idk how, but they somehow managed to crumble all that. they had everyones full attention and turned it to a "lets no longer give a shit" disaster. i wasnt expecting infinity war or end game quality, i dont think anyone was, but holy shit how they managed to ruin everything they built is beyond me. Its definitely weird looking back that they almost converted me into a marvel nut, just for me to no longer give a shit, which really sucks because I was looking forward to more marvel characters I had only heard about.
ikr!?!? there's hundreds of marvel's superpower user, the inhumans, x-men, which by itself can have a lot of groups, etc, heck, they can even use the disband of current avenger to make a plot for new avenger or next avenger, or even made a side story of savage avengers, or the runaways too which introducing... nvm, just searched about them, looks like there's a series of them already, anyway, we still have a lot of interesting heroes to be explored, even the street level duo luke cage and iron fist story sounds interesting for me
uhh doesnt shehulk/captain marvel count? and RiRi Williams?
@@devilishnessx459 well, yes, but i guess what ian means was to show a different character with different powers, schulk and riri is basically still iron man and hulk, thus, what crit drink said just like upgrading my phone, because how they written and introduced in the mcu not long after the endgame, i'm sure things would be different if they waited a few years and write them better
I honestly loved Shang-Chi. Characters were beautifully fleshed out and the story was rich in detail and heart. That said ... it didn't really feel like it was part of the MCU. Just a great stand-alone story.
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Absolutely agree, I feel like it was an amazing movie but they really should have had a way to tie it to marvel more besides Shang chi’s dads organization
@@DokkanMaster Definitely agree with that part. That was a common issue throughout all of phase four, unfortunately. But the film itself was fantastic. I’d have seen it even if it weren’t an MCU movie.
But they weren't fleshed out that was one of the problems
Separate from the larger MCU? I consider that a plus at this point.
I like to try and pinpoint the exact moment a franchise falls apart.
“They’ll never know what you sacrificed for them.”
And there it is
Agree. There were a few hints in endgame, but that line was what broke my love of marvel.
It was just so...... bad. Like, really, _really_ bad. What's even worse is seeing people defend her actions for her _imaginary,_ _made_ _up_ children. They are no more a reality in that fiction then her in our reality.
For me it was the insanely cringy and cheesy moment in endgame where all the girl bosses United together.
@@ericboucher799with mostly borrowed powers like pepper pots is in rental yeah thats the same as iron man and ree ree with the glowing boxing gloves lol
@@ericboucher799yeah that was pretty hilarious as well. They acted like “wow look at all these awesome female superheroes” while most of them I was struggling to remember what movie they were originally from. That scene was nothing but a wallpaper with absolutely nothing behind it
I have often considered phase 3 to be telling the Infinity Saga from the Avengers' point of view, where the belief in life is affirmed and that the universe deserves a sceond chance, while phase 4 better articulates Thanos' argument, showing how the continuous thriving of life would eventually lead to complete chaos and degeneracy and that it might have been better if things just ended a bit sooner XD
MCU Phase 4: "Thanos was right."
there is no connection in marvel like before no shield no avengers coming together to fight one evil big guy just doing weird things in their own and world don't care now government don't give a shit about new powerful beings,no rules no limits infinite powers and plus msheu thing ruined mcu
This is beautiful and powerful. Might have been better if I had stopped watching after end game.
@@langanhlakanipho I'm glad that I did stop after Endgame. The bits of stuff I've caught since then has either been instantly disappointing, (Loki) or outright stomach turning. (She Hulk) As far as I'm concerned, Marvel died with Tony Stark and Captain Rogers.
Thanos was right all along, half of the mofos needs to go 😭
"Bland forgettable sludge" is the best way to describe Marvels current state
They made forgettable sludge? I don't recall...
@@ajivins1 at least 105 seem to do. Also it's called a matter of opinion. If you like garbage that's your choice
@@ajivins1
new supervillain
@@sopcannon Ah...
@@ajivins1 I get it
I genuinely thought you said "nuts in a shoe" about Chadwick Boseman dying. But I'm four shots of Bulleit in. What a feature!
Everyone's reception to phase 4 is just the parent telling their child "I'm not angry, son. I'm disappointed."
And then we go off and frown in disappointment
Now go to your room, Marvel, and think about what you've done.
@Robodog Okay... "I'm not angry, son. I'm daughter." ...better?
:(
Reminds me of the Little House on the Prairie books where Ingalls is actually shocked and hurt when he thinks that his girls are telling him a lie to his face. Until they tell the actual truth, that they obeyed the _letter_ of his law but not the spirit. They weren't actually lying, and they can't help but confess what they actually did in the face of his disappointment. And he can only walk to the door quickly so they can't see him laughing in amusement and relief, because they were still very naughty and need to be dealt with. Then he comes back and lays down the rules very clearly and with no room for mistake. And then everything is happy again. Fantastic books, and a great example of actual strong female characters with human attributes, and a strong, loving, protective father and devoted husband who fails in judgement sometimes but is always a rock in the lives of his wife and daughters and always ensures their safety and provision first. Fantastic books.
My father used to always hate watching movies and being reminded of political issues and I always questioned why. I think he summed it up pretty well.
"I watch movies to escape the world we live in, not be reminded of how bad it all really is. I'm already aware of these issues and I get they need addressing. That's why I watch the news. I don't watch movies to be reminded of it and if I did: I'd CHOOSE to watch those specific movies about the subject, like Schindlers List or something. I watch Alien or The Terminator to go on a visual adventure and forget the world for an hour or so. Not to be reminded that I'm a bad person with a sordid past."
Why can't we have those adventures anymore? It seems everything has to be injected with a moral that doesn't match the story/adventure we're trying to escape to and instead of making it seem more real we're just diluting the plot. The cost of this is regressing away from the adventure/escape we all desire to experience.
Problem is movies not motivate anymore, not stimulate imagination and intelect. They are just a drug to give a modern consumer a high for 2 hours.
Exactly!
I don't even watch new movies unless I have VERY good reasons to believe they won't suck. Like Bob De Niro says in Ronin, "If there's doubt, there's no doubt".
We already have a century of cinema at the tip of our fingers. I'd rather catch up with all the great movies I haven't yet watched, hell I'd rewatch Blade Runner for the 500th time before even giving Marvel a chance.
I choose to believe that mention of Schindler's List is low-key based
We can't have adventurous movies anymore because then we can't be preached to directly on how terrible we are by the elites.
“Identity politics is the death of entertainment”.
Very well put my friend. Entertainment is supposed to be a reprieve from daily life, not a deeper plunge into the same shut we’re bombarded with daily.
The problem is that those "politics" boil down to "Side A good, Side B bad" and that's propaganda (unless it is about morally wrong things like war)
Politics in media should be something like "Is side A good? Is side B justifiable?" Because then it makes the viewer/reader/player question their own beliefs and can bring some sort of discussion around it, rewarding the player/reader/viewer's intelligence.
@@thinkingboi9508 very well said, thank you
@@thinkingboi9508 That's what made Civil War so good. It gave you a dilemma. It invited the audience to form their own opinion, their own ideologies and their own justifications for those ideas. It wasn't like "iron man team is bad. Cap team is good". There was genuine conflict to which the audience could engage.
But now the "moral conflicts" they could present aren't even conflicts anymore, they are presented as facts. "Men are bad. Women are good". That's it, the MCU states this as an unquestionable fact. There's no dilemma, no room for discussion.
@@thinkingboi9508 Correct, inserting politics isn't bad when it's subtle and makes the audience ask questions. Not beating you over the head with "the message." No one likes to get preached at.
Heck, X-men was essentially a social commentary on Civil Rights. But Stan Lee and Jack Kirby didn't beat you over the head with "Look guys the mutants are marginalized." They were smarter than that, and they even showcased what happens when wanting fairness and equality turns into bitterness and hatred: Magneto.
IP is the death of everything it goes near.
Is funny how Jennifer Lawrence runs her mouth about man and yet the entire reason why she got movie roles is because she was sleeping with the producer.
Not saying I saw this coming, only that I had a gut feeling after Endgame that we had witnessed the end of the Golden Age for the entire Superhero Genre. But I never realized it would get this bad so fast.
One minute we were soaring high, the next we're falling into the heart of the sea. I didn't think it could fall apart this fast myself either honestly 😂
Honestly, I was shocked the MCU was still a thing when Endgame happened
The peak of superheroes started and ended with iron-man
I saw this coming.
Over saturation accelerated the process.
I had the same feeling, which is partly why I stopped watching at Endgame. The writing was already on the wall with Captain Marvel and then the ridiculous wahmen Avengers link up in the middle of the Endgame battle.
Thank you for never wasting our time, I value your opinion as a writer and being able to listen without self-promotion, upcoming video discussions, sponsorships, etc is quite a boon.
Me too
He’s too drunk to do ad reads and self promotion oh wait he promoted the duck out of his book
@@seanodeli7031 He promotes his books like twice a year 😂
I was referring to youtubers who feel the need to talk endlessly about their own channel and videos, and still the point you're trying to make is bad.
I would never wish this torture on another person. but I truly think it would be interesting to do a supercut of every time someone in Phase 4 says "You're amazing." I feel like I'm stuck watching a self-help seminar in a hotel lobby
"amazing " should be canceled.
But, you are amazing!
It's almost like joining the tesla cult
Here's something that could have tied the 4th phase together: a consequence for meddling with time. (If Multiverse of Madness or any other movie covered this, I do apologize. I haven't been invested in Marvel movies for some time.) Be it through some sort of entity that regulates the timestream or some unforeseen anomaly like random events happening in their world, it could have been a way for them all to address individual issues that tie into something bigger down the line. But no, we got stuck with a line-up of characters that didn't necessarily shine.
Is this a troll or is it serious? Because that is basically the entire plot of the show Loki.
@@cosmic_tkb Unfortunately, I was being serious because I haven't watched the Loki series. Nice to know that they did address it. Did they at least do it well?
@@ShadwehUmbrea personally, I really liked Loki. It has some problems but overall it’s pretty good. Your comment is hilarious then because you basically described the series, almost exactly lol.
@@ShadwehUmbrea loki and no way home are the best stuff in phase 4 in my opinion and they cover that topic amazingly
@@ShadwehUmbrea we can just forget abt everything else
Seems to me that phase 4 was a great opportunity for worldbuilding. You have a planet that is desperately trying to recover from the snap, and then the subsequent undoing of the snap. They kinda tried to do that in Falcon and Winter Soldier, but gave up after that. It just became multiverses and hidden worlds.
It's like a kid pulling all their toys out in one room and then going into another room to play video games.
"Hey, are you going to clean this mess up?"
"No, that's boring. I'm doing this now."
Yeah the snap would have left power vacuums all over the universe that could have been used to write any number of stories. I think that the infinity stones should be indestructible. Bring in Galactus or something. Now that half the universe is dead he's one hungry boi.
Thats when they catch hands
@@lennysmileyface good idea
Plus the infinite multiverse makes everything meaningless. They treated the Infinity Stones as a throwaway joke in Loki. Who cares that our heroes stopped Thanos in one world when there are infinite other worlds where they didnt?
@@Laneous14 That actually didn't make sense in Loki since the point was they were preventing multiverses from occurring and forcing only one timeline to exist. There should only be one set of Infinity Stones.
I think they said their plan was to give people a break and focus on smaller character-driven stories. The problem is that they can't make those. They're incapable.
Smaller stories lol, I forgot how many world ending scenarios we got in phase 4
The truth is, they had two options after endgame. Double down and start building up the next big villain right away, or what they chose to do instead. Kill off all the momentum and start from scratch campaigning entirely off of nostalgia. They chose wrong. Now that they're finally trying to build up the next villain, their fan base had diminished, and lost their momentum they worked so hard to get
@@Wahba. Not to mention that every other movie seemed to involve multiversal threats.
Small character driven stories require smaller production teams who aren't as concerned with the bottom line and more concerned with the characters. Disney just sees small and character driven as buzz words for money
They can’t now because their gender ideologies literally are incapable of not getting in the way. Watch a review of or watch the new Willow tv show to see what I mean. Even a smaller story they literally can’t not do it.
That scolding you gave the entire industry at the end was the most accurate and brutal I think I've ever heard in my life
Did you know that for Loki they hired writer who literally hates Loki and didnt even remember correctly the events of the first Thor movie? And director who before the show directed like 1 project? And as female lead,the female Loki, they hired actress who wasnt even a fan of Loki and didnt even remember the Thor movies properly when she got the job?
Exactly right, Drinker.
I’m not a hard core Marvel fan but I grew-up reading the comics and watching the movies . Phase 4, has totally been a horrible disappointment.
There were a few things good and a lot bad. The identity politics alone are enough to make you puke. Which, is made ten times worse when the actors start talking in interviews. I’ve lost count of the shows I skip because some actor starts spewing woke garbage about the production.
It’s sad watching these types of people destroy beloved properties. Don’t pay to watch, don’t ignore when they insult our people and culture, and stand-up for what is right.
Honestly, from the actor interviews I'm surprised many of the shows are not many times worse. Both 'Andor' and 'House of the Dragon' were marketed in interviews as being explicitly anti-Trump, but people who watch them tell me that there isn't even a hint of that in either show.
@@HerculesBallsInc And that you can thank the directors for. But once the director is an activist before artist and heavily biased, their work turns to shit.
I encourage to disband ur disney+ membership
Same can be said with the Woke Rings of Power.
@@LittleMopeHead it's such a vile game. I honestly think many people have realized that woke is not the way to go considering that I see a lot of memes abt biden etc lately
The first half of Wandavision had me so excited for something new. If was so inventive and fresh - the first time they actually explored her real powers lol. And then it just became Avengers 14
Agreed. MCU is for children. Wandavision was a cool idea until they went full Marvel with a "mobile command center" and a bloated cast. sigh
The last three episodes were depressingly terrible. You couldn’t have wanda being confronted by her past WITHOUT THE WEIRD WITCHY SUBPLOT??? i mean CMON. It felt like an afterthought to even ME. And then there were two visions and sterotypical badass afro lady now has-superpowers? Ok sure why not-? They had something incredibly refreshing going and then what was that ENDING?!
Exactly! And that too seemed formulaic, like bait the fans and then kill the excitement
Fr. The finale is just so ass it shakes up the whole show.
What’s up warren powers
What we’re seeing especially with Marvel is the pendulum effect happening in real time.
The harder and more ridiculous they are with pushing “the message” the harder you’re seeing people push back, and just simply tune out, and give up on the MCU. It’s extremely gratifying to see people finally waking up. It took way too long, but the fact is happening makes me very happy..
To a degree. But I'm not sure if that would be true if all of these other problems weren't present. Well, you could argue it's impossible to make anything good and also woke, and I sympathize with that perspective, but replacing all the legacy characters and being woke might work if they had a good story to tell and directors who knew how to handle the size of the project while keeping their own egos in check.
Yeah I've seen myself doing this. I went into Dr. Strange 2 and Thor four hyped and left disappointed, so now I just skip marvel movies unless they seem really good. Like the only upcoming project I give a damn about is Guardians 3. I knew that Black Panther 2 would be preachy and shit, so I saved my money and was right. Watched one episode of She-Hulk and noped the fuck out of there.
@@BWMagus that would require story and character to be the focus of the films while having a next big threat undertone linking in the background. But instead they want to focus on "other things" and if they can show horn in a plot and some characters they'll worry about that later.
Also the focus on "humour" where that word has lost all meaning and jokes landing is optional over simply making "jokes", they are there and constant because they are, not because certain characters are funny or unserious, it's just there, always, for everyone. It kills the tone if people can be being murdered in one scene and it's laughed off in the next. Levity is a great thing, it can relieve tension and show personality, but when it's ubiquitous it serves no purpose.
I haven't seen a single phase 4 marvel movie. Before, I would always go to the theater to see a new marvel movie and that culminated with Infinity war and endgame
@@pyropulseIXXI it was a natural stopping point. It had all built up to this, heros were sacrificed, big bad was done. It was an ending. But even though they'd made money, lots of money, ridiculous money. It was ALL the money. So they got right back on the teets and started milking again.
Plus they set up their streaming service and needed anchor content to make people pay for it otherwise it wouldn't have got off the floor...
Amazing commentary as always!! I really wish you keep talking about these same issues on other popular 'used to be amazing' shows. Like B99 for example, the character 'Ross' was one of the vital and loveable one, but suddenly the writers shifted and completely ruined her character by making her fall in love with a guy, she wants to marry the guy, she breaks up with him right when he is trying to propose to her, suddenly comes out as bi, sees several women, leaves the agency....and so on i mean they could have delivered the same things very subtly but they ruined that character with absurdity. Also Keely from Ted Lasso in the latest season i mean wtffffffff!!!!
Every phase doesn't need a large scale threat, but something needs to run through all the movies, and Multiverse was never going to be anything else but an excuse to swap out actors. No matter what threats the multiverse holds, they really don't show up until someone chooses to travel from universe to universe, and those threats are usually local to each show.
I hate the multiverse concept.
They managed to set up the Multiverse as scary and disastrous in Loki, and then completely abandoned it when it mattered most
Larry Niven did a great scifi short story about the multiverse, many decades ago.
People are committing suicide at high rates. A police officer is told to find out why. The world has discovered the multiverse and how to easily travel there and back (although the "homing signal" starts to get a little "fuzzy" as time goes by).
There's a great horrible ending scene.
The officer looking at a window, thinking about everything he's learned, that so many of the suicides had expressed a "nothing matters" view.
He pulls out his pistol
and checks the load
and checks the safety is on
and (this goes on for about 8 lines, slightly differing sentences/
ending the story)
and puts the gun to his head
and pulls the trigger.
This could have been a great philosophical question for Phase 4 to address.
@@aeonversestudios01 loki also kinda fucked up premise of the multiverse because now because of loki there is an infinite multiverse and infinite timelines and it gets confusing
I'm so appreciative of this channel. In a world gone mad, fellow "normies" can gather and delight in healthy doses of common sense.
Lol “normies”….you all are dorks
Except the real normies are those who ingest this content acritically like they have to
Every time I see a director with very little experience hired to direct a big tentpole film, the first thing that comes into my mind is..."The studio is hiring this person because they want a puppet who won't push back on whatever crap corporate tries to shovel into the film."
I feel you there...i noticed they started pulling a lot of writers with literally almost no real writing credits (see she-hulk and Dr. Strange 2) and giving them big tentpole movies to write for. They have been pulling from the rick and morty pool alot lately. While i like the show not all of the writers are capable outside of that room apparently and some are living off the fame of one literal episode (Ms. Gao). Shits crazy.
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Or because they check off one or more boxes.
That is correct.... Thank you for mentions it
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I think part of the problem is the change in the films.
It used to be the standalone films would fill you in on the character, and were entirely enjoyable on their own, with nods to other parts of the universe with everything coming together for the big flick
Now it seems they're only interested in the group projects, neglecting the individual ones
It's weird they made this mistake because it's exactly how DC screwed up trying to ape their original run. You can't rush the big crossover.
That scene in Endgame where Cap wields Mjolnir is one of the greatest moments of my cinema going life. Hundreds of people collectively cheered at that single moment, myself included. That's what Marvel should be. Sadly, that's not what it is anymore.
I was even there for the premiere in my local theater and when that scene happened my theater clapped and cheered, and I was completely mind blown that was even gonna happen, although there was that little tease in Age of Ultron and it came full circle. You don’t get that anymore in Phase 4
The audience I was with did the exact same thing on opening night, however, I think they cheered even louder when Thanos punch Captain Marvel with the power stone.
That was stupid.Just like Leia flying in the space in Last jedi.
That scene where all the women appeared on the battle ground together was the greatest moment in any multiverse ever.
@@fyoutube9410 we get it, you're trying to get a rise out of us. Its honestly sad.
This is a well done and comprehensive retrospective of phase four's failure. I will never forgive what they did to the Taskmaster, She-Hulk, or Moon Knight.
The fact that I absolutely forgot about Moon Knight says a lot. It's not even 1 year old and if you didn't mention it, I wouldn't have thought of this show ever again. Like many other movies/shows they've done recently. Bland generic CGI heavy shows with no substance.
@Julien at least moon knight was decent compared to other mcu shows this year.
I legit forgot taskmaster existed until the image flashed up in the video.
I'd more or less forgotten Moon Knight too, though that wasn't as bad as most of the TV shows.
The 23 films over 10 years Vs 15 products in 2 is the key argument for me though. They're trying to bleed it dry and make every available penny while it's hot and in doing so they are killing what could have been a pay day for years.
I have to agree except for MK, they didnt completely ruin his character unlike Taskmaster or She hulk
They also ruined the Wrecking Crew and the Abomination.
Thanks for being so vocal about those issues. As a film lover it's just painful watching how Disney swallows everything, turning it into shit in the process.
as a film lover it is amazing how much shit you guys give disney for bad movies when all they did was pretty much greenlight projects. you hold no accountability to bad direction, writing or acting. you just blame disney... and forget about the tons of classics they have given, forget about the good marvel movies they made, and even good new stuff they had like mandalorian and Andor. you people are all the same. you blame them for everything and and give them credit for nothing even when in both cases it is not all on the company "disneys" fault
What about all those small studios selling their soul 😥
8:57 To be honest, I'd have liked to see Bucky take up the shield, because there was a ton of evidence throughout his run that indicated that he would be the next Captain America, but that was unfortunately tossed aside for the sake of identity politics that felt hamfisted and unearned.
Oh, hell, someone really wanted romance between Wednesday and Enid? Their friendship was one of the best parts of the show! We need more wholesome non-romantic relationships on screen!
One thing I've noticed in any sort of media these days, is that people aren't allowed to be friends anymore
The only type of relationships allowed now are romantic or family
these woke ppl are crazy
@@tommymarco To put it mildly
Yeah, I’m a gay guy, and I am glad I have non romantic guy friends, and portraying platonic relationships (heterosexual or homosexual) onscreen could help promote them in real life. In some ways, taking your cues from movies and such is silly, but movies/TV have always had an effect on our culture, though perhaps less now than in the past.
It would be a lot healthier of a message to state that you don't need to constantly be in a romantic relationship to be happy.
Imo this is a pitfall that even good shows fall into always thinking that there has to a hamfisted romance rather than a natural friendship and that its the only way to be truly happy in life.
For a couple years now, I've been describing my relationship to the MCU as an abusive one.
When we started out, everything was great! They were consistently doing good things and we were happy. Then there were a couple stumblings, but I was willing to forgive them because there was still more good than bad. Then they started to hurt me and I was having to make a proactive effort to forgive them because I still remembered how good they used to be. Nowadays, the MCU and I are undergoing trial separation, I check up on them every now and again but I don't see them in person.
there is no connection in marvel like before no shield no avengers coming together to fight one evil big guy just doing weird things in their own and world don't care now government don't give a shit about new powerful beings,no rules no limits infinite powers and plus msheu thing ruined mcu
Oooo, spot on!
Is it just me or the first few year sucked hard too. I liked the captain america movies, the first iron man, but the rest was very mediocre. I actually liked the infinity war, ragnarok and guardians of the galaxy too, but the rest was very forgettable. I can't say that I am a big fan of phase 4 but I also can't say that any Marvel movies were great. They are entertaining and fun to watch, but none of them are great movies. I feel like the peoples saying they were great movies probably saw them as kids.The only marvel projects that were actually great in my opinion are Daredevil and the first season of Jessica Jones and both were not in the MCU.
@@bulleyes9059 Yeah didnt get this notion either. Thor 1, Thor 2, IM 2, IM 3, IHulk, CptMarvel, SpiderMan HC, Avengers 2, all mediocre movies. Even Doctor Strange missed huge opportunities with its titular character.
@@AndersonMallony-EricCF Yeah I pretty much 100% agree with your line up of mediocre movie.
I held on to my DisneyPlus account with the optimistic hope like a parent looking at their teenage child thinking, “it’s just a short phase they will figure it out” . Nope,I was wrong I’m done with Disney. Drinker you were right good on you for seeing past the smoke and mirrors.
I think it's a big ship to turn around, especially when each movie supports the story of the next one. It feels like the success of Andor has shown Disney the true path, but it will take time to unclog the pipes.
Do you still have the disney account though?
Cancelled mine after Shehulk. Should have done it earlier but same as you, had hope it would get better.
Cancelled mine too! Even though it's only a few dollars more when bundled with Hulu it's the only way to really say you're unsatisfied. Everyone who continues to pay bc it's bundled or any reason is just contributing to the garage pile of Disney+
I think Disney+ is the reason why the MCU is garbage right now. Like Drinker said about quantity over quality. There has to be a reason to keep Disney+ and one way to ensure that is that there will be a new release coming up. How many have kept accounts because there is a new Marvel property coming up soon. We get that property and it sucks but a huge amount of people have already been suckered into keeping Disney+. I got rid of mine a long time ago as I realized that the new stuff was bland at best.
About point 4: that IS something that has happened time and time again in comics, so I can understand why they tried. The issue is that evenin the comics, it almost never sticks (unless the original character is someone obscure the audience doesn’t care about, like the original Captain Marvel). The replacement sticks around for a few years, and then the original inevitably returns. The only exceptions are for some reason DC characters - Green Lantern, Robin and the Flash - but those titles were established as not belonging to a single person decades ago, and crucially the replacements are usually not that different from the original. And even in those cases nostalgia often wins out and you end up with a whole corps of Green Lanterns all active at the same time.
I dont know what their deal was. It would be so easy to make Annihilus awaken in the Negative Zone in the Multiverse after the events of Endgame. Then they would just bring on new heros like the Sentry, Nova, the Fantastic Four to ad to the old ones. Then they'd have an incoming Annihilation Wave invasion and they would go asking for help throughout the galaxy, introducing new heros and races. Then a massive fight in the end would have Annihilus die and his lose the Cosmic Rod, to be picked up by Dr. Doom, introducing the third next big villain. It seems so easy, that i dont really understand how they didnt think of it.
Because the other part of hollywood in modern era is......when your busy with jamming identity politics into everything it must be a reiteration of the old to show how much "better" it is with it.
You can do new stuff because no one will know how much "better" it was with it, that and no one will come to see new properties with identity politics because its new and unknown.
It was very recently revealed why. Marvel executives *admitted* on camera that anytime someone was being interviewed, someone who said they were fans of the comics was an immediate red flag. Because why would Disney want to make a project by fans, for fans--adapted for a general audience to enjoy? Too much money to be made with that route, I guess.
Sometimes, often perhaps, the best person for the job doesn't occupy the position. You should have been in the job to make the Phase IV decision; and guess what? You're at least somewhat of a fan of the source material. The same mistake was made with Star Wars. Instead of getting in someone (like me) who loved the source material (of the original trilogy), someone (like me) who knew that the fans desperately wanted to see Mark Hamill finally get the chance to play Luke Skywalker having adventures as a fully fledged jedi knight (and an especially powerful one at that) and knew how to progress with the franchise by facing the obvious task of finding new potential jedi from the most distant galaxies in the universe to re-establish the jedi order and contain the utter chaos that resulted from the fall of the Emperor (but not the fall of the entire Empire), they gave the job to someone with literally no relevant qualifications. It's such a shame.
Sentry: Powerful straight white male. Can't have that.
Nova: Powerful straight white male. Can't have that.
Fantastic Four: three straight white males and one straight white female. Can't have that.
Sentry would need to be gay and easily bodied by Captain Marvel (though honestly Sentry sucks anyway). Nova would have to be black and Captain Marvel's dorky sidekick. The Fantastic Four need to have one Asian, one Latino, one black guy, and the other needs to be gay. Not Johnny, the "flaming" jokes would be too obvious. Probably Ben. Also Sue is now the brilliant scientist, Reed is at best a sitcom husband. The X-Men can't exist because "men" is problematic. They'll call them the X-Them. Isn't Iceman gay now? He's in. Angel? They'll say he's bi but yeah, not really. The movie is all about Storm and Wolverine is recast with a black guy and if you object you're racist. Gambit was suave and charming in the comics, so now he's the comic relief that the female characters make fun of. Cyclops can remain a straight white guy because he's bland as wet toast and nobody likes him anyway. Jubilee has a prominent role so they can sell it to China. She easily beats up Magneto. Also Mystique was really a man who decided he liked being female better.
There you go, welcome to the new MCU!
@@stoopidpursun8140bro stop giving them ideas 😠
A lot of us were just done with the MCU with the release of Endgame. My emotional investment reached its peak, it was well rewarded, and I was fine going on with the rest of my life without Marvel stringing me along. Phase 4 could have been masterfully implemented, and I was still done and ready for greener pastures.
Understandable - and I think Disney have no clue that is what happens. I mean, the general vibe of the staff within the company, the management; it's basically a cult. A cult for people who never grow tired, grow out of it, or grow up.
They have no concept of relativity - i.e. those kids who loved their Marvel films? Well, they now have jobs, or final year exams, or kids, pay taxes, pay rent or mortgages - they aren't going ti be able to stick around a lot of the time - especially if they aren't wanted or valued by the company.
Those who were watching in the older age ranges, those with settled lives and disposable income are often into 2 kids, mortgage, rent, new job, maybe a divorce, illness and infirmity of parents, and so on. They can't stay "Disney adults" - most of the Disney employees are, it seems, and they singularly fail to realise that most of the world just really isn't like that and have failed to plan accordingly.
What they are producing isn't appealing (by viewer percentages) to the younger ages, and they lost and willingly dismissed the audiences they had.
People aren't going to get a babysitter, or pay to drive/travel to watch, or skip a rent payment to buy tickets for; TV, cinema, parks and merchandise of such low quality.
@@OsellaSquadraCorse It's depressing to think about how much time has gone by, but you're absolutely right. That's the audience who's likely to be nostalgic over the MCU, and I don't think Disney realizes it.
Yeah. They needed to at least take a decade long break after Endgame. People are just burnt out on marvel crap now. They milked the cow dry
imo while the last "Spider-Man" was, to a huge degree, just a nostalgia wank, it still was a home run.
Endgame was the beginning of the decline in quality.
That Wednesday thing! I was telling my American friends that my great grandma spent her final ten years with her childhood friend. They cared about each other and even loved her but it was NOT romantic. The fact that one immediately said "ah of course. They French kissed like sisters" made me creep out cuz how can your mind jump to something sexual about THAT?
Wait what?
Who's frenching?
And then people wonder why they don't have great friendships like their forefather and foremothers. Why nobody has a Frodo and Sam friendship in their life.
@@rachelclark6393 There are people who would fight you to prove there was something romantic between Sam and Frodo
@@jager3090 Oh, yes. And that s sort of my point. To that sort of person any friendship that crosses past superficiality can truly be platonic. A person can t have deep feelings for someone in their life, can't love anyone besides maybe direct blood relatives without it being a romantic, and probably sexual thing. And that s a little sad since humans are capable of such intense love for so many people, and none of it it necessarily romantic or sexual. I personally think Frodo and Sam's relationship being romantic frankly cheapens it. It makes it so much flatter and uninteresting. What makes it beautiful is that the loyalty, trust, and affection between them is pure, true friendship. And that it exists because they mutually chose to grow it and maintain it.
@@rachelclark6393 Frodo and Sam are literally modelled after WWI soldiers who have gone through hell in the trenches together and form a bond few civilians will ever understand.
I've gotta say, I don't always agree with everything that's said, but I appreciate that it gets addressed as part of a rational conversation with specific points, and not overgeneralized ranting with no real point.
Kudos, sir, and thank you for being brave enough to talk about your opinions, and being reasonable enough to discuss them like an adult.
During 2019 after I watched Avengers Endgame in the cinema, I remember being super hyped for Phase 4 and would watch countless theory videos on who would be the next big bad of the MCU, who they would introduce next etc. After watching some of Phase 4, I wish that I could go back to that time because the hype I felt for the product was infinitely better than the product itself.
I have no real interest in future Marvel movies.
I may see GotG 3,but I won't be in a hurry to see it.
I will wait to hear what people say about it first.
Hey,
Now you know how we felt. You're one of us now.
Sincerely,
SW Fans
The amount of Marvel fans still hoodwinked and bamboozled because it says "Marvel" on the cover is mindblowing.
Ikr?
Marvel stans are really sad now
It's not a Marvel problem, it's a human problem.
Sheeple will ALWAYS BE SHEEPLE.
There’s a reason we have saying like Lemming train among the numerous others.
Agreed. My husband being one. He gets irritated when I don’t want to watch the latest Marvel pile or I criticize the one he cajoles me in to watching with him.
Phase 4 felt like a movie franchise starting out and trying things to see if they worked. You wouldn't expect a post Endgame Phase to feel like a startup franchise
Endgame was mediocre and it should have stopped after Infinity War
If that was the start, no one would watch it.
@@Сайтамен look phase 1 then it wasent much better then phase 4
there is no connection in marvel like before no shield no avengers coming together to fight one evil big guy just doing weird things in their own and world don't care now government don't give a shit about new powerful beings,no rules no limits infinite powers and plus msheu thing ruined mcu
I have been waiting so long for this :
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Damn, The Drinker has really gotten better. Leaned more into the intelligent dissection of media WITH comedic inserts that helps drive the point and break up the seriousness of the information being presented. I'm here for it
You are spot on with the characters being replaced by someone younger with the exact same skill set. I grew up watching iron man and captain America. My favorite ever. And for them to just ge replaced with someone is so cringe and hurts.
You're a grown man and a movie is hurting you...
@@dallasss5658 That's what happens when you put celebrities on a pedestal, lol. These guys need to stop worshipping everyone they see on screen. Accept people for who they are, not for who you think they are. There are actual problems in this world that need our attention yet a huge number of people have forgotten how to see the lines between entertainment and actual problems that need solutions asap!.
The fact that they can say a movie 'hurt's' them, shows how emotionally invested they are in things that aren't real. No wonder people don't have a lot of depth to them these days.
@@VeganGoat96 Thousands of years of human culture, billions of people that have gotten invested in some form of entertainment, a psychological system that makes us connect with people we don't know or are made up, but apparently you know best huh
@@VeganGoat96 Wow. Did you ever badly miss the point. (Hint: no one was talking about celebrities). Although I suppose it did allow you an excuse to vomit up your vapid platitudes so you probably think it was worth it to look stupid.
Not to mention that falcon is just a side kick, and the rest are female versions.
Me when I'm asked if I want to see a Phase 4 movie: "Nah, it'll be fine."
there is no connection in marvel like before no shield no avengers coming together to fight one evil big guy just doing weird things in their own and world don't care now government don't give a shit about new powerful beings,no rules no limits infinite powers and plus msheu thing ruined mcu
8:52 this whole sequence was actually really depressing
They don't care about the legacy of marvel, they really are just in it for the quick buck
Guy who’s name I don’t remember: just wants to free a town, is somehow the bad guy
Wanda: IS THE REASON THAT TOWN ISN’T ALREADY FREE, is somehow considered a hero.. at least, until the attempted child murder
I remember when we all were speculating who the big bad would be for phase 4…. How optimistic we all were.
Phase 4 is its own villain.
The Patriarchy.
It was Disney Marvel all along 😂
We did get the big bad tho. Jsut a glimpse tho.
its the damn patriarchy
I rewatched the original Iron Man the other day and the change in tone and focus is mindblowing.
The Multiverse stories would've been a great way to introduce Mutants into the MCU. They did the Prof. X cameo, but that's not near enough. Maybe a few Mutants slipped through the cracks and we could've had a post-credits scene with Rogue stealing Capt. Marvel's powers. A scene where Deadpool gets stopped by Spiderman, or maybe a teaser where Hulk goes to investigate a supposed madman and ends up in a fight with someone near immortal. Basically, the Multiverse opening by Dr. Strange could've led to something that could've been a new direction for the series.
they all suck bruh
There was no way professor X could die that easily
It would be funny if deadpool just casually leaned into frame as the credits were rolling and put his name up on the screen then leaned back out
TBH, I don't really care about the X-Men. The one X-eption (heehee😁) is Ryan Reynolds's Deadpool, and he's not X-Man material, so...
I thought something like that with the thunderbolts, in fact, I thought they could build them individually as villains, you know, the Beetle fights Spider-man, The Fixer fights War Machine, Goliath fights Ant-man and so on, then, at the end of those movies, Zemo comes to collect them and form the masters of evil, they get to siege avengers mansion, lose and goes to the fridge for phase 6, and only then, they return as the Thunderbolts.
Over the last 2-3 years I've gotten more joy from the The Drinker ripping on all these movies & shows than actually watching them. Tbh I started to like Marvel's f**k ups cuz it just means I'll just have more hilarious rants to listen to. Sincere thanks brother! Cheers 🍻
Definitely feels like an assembly line more than a living narrative.
Excellent assessment Drinker.
I like to call it "designing movies by excel spreadsheet"
I'm not sure I can ever move past the euphoria of Thor arriving in Wakanda. I went to the cinema with a group of mates and that moment is simply electrifying. Good luck making another movie with those sort of stakes.
Ummm....no way home exists
@@dottir_ mid movie based on nostalgia
@@Eli-cs4tk wether you call it bad or good is up to you. But you can't deny the first time you watch this in theatres with your friends, it creates a feeling no Marvel film has produced. Also, "based on nostalgia" is a very weak and dumb excuse to pick on a movie.
@@dottir_ I agree with both of you. Yes, when Toby drops in NWH, that scene meant a lot to me. That scene was top tier amazing for me in the theatre. I was literally screaming in joy along with everyone else. The 2001 Spider Man was the first super hero movie I ever watched, AND it was in the movies. BUT the fact that it's a nostalgia bait cheapens it ever so slightly. I think you're both right.
Like, lets say in 20 years that they bring back every original avenger that they can somehow for a movie. Cap, Thor, Iron Man, Hawkeye, Widow, everyone.....That would definitely be amazing, but it won't have that oomph of originality. But as I said, I thouroughly appreciate both of your comments.
I love the multiverse saga
I think some silver lining to this for me personally is it's forced me to look outwards, outside of Hollywood and see the amazing work of other countries and creators and oh man, did I find a hell of a lot of gems!
there is no connection in marvel like before no shield no avengers coming together to fight one evil big guy just doing weird things in their own and world don't care now government don't give a shit about new powerful beings,no rules no limits infinite powers and plus msheu thing ruined mcu
could you please share some?
thats been the way for a while for me. Stop buying the triple A games, stop watching the hollywood titles, stop listening to the mainstream news, stop following the top of the pops music hits, stop believing anything owned by the main stream because it became a fake & bloated spectacle a long time ago.
Instead seek the alternatives in every walk of entertainment and information. You'll get far less bias, a lot more eye opening experiences and you might even learn something useful and interesting. ALSO it's usually a hell of a lot cheaper too, so you get a lot more bang for your bucks.
same here i started watching french_korean_japanese_spanish movies
if you want a recommendation from me, watch The Grand Budapest Hotel
i agree with most of this stuff, but i genuinely enjoyed loki. it was a perfect way to introduce kang imo and i loved it. season 2 comes out this year and im excited.
I too enjoyed Loki, but tbh, I'm pretty sure it's all because of Tom Hiddleston. Loki is the character we know and love because he has an incredible actor portraying him. It was hard to get behind all the decisions the writers and directors made, but the actor made them bearable. Add Owen Wilson as a great opposite to him, and it was a lot a fun despite its failings. But when you pull it apart, it really doesn't make all that much sense. The Loki who'd been humbled by the loss of his mother and the destruction of his homeland died. The Loki who came to the TVA was a much earlier version who would never have picked up the emotional baggage of his dead counterpart from a few holo vids. He would've kept up his lying, trickster ways without a thought to helping anyone but himself. And don’t get me started on the weird relationship between him and Sylvie.
@@bucketofsunshine6366 nah the loki show was fire asf
Don't worry, they'll replace Tom with a black transgender woman next season.
Excellent video Drinker! If one really wanted to give Jennifer Lawrence a reality check, she would be reminded that Helen Slater headlined her own action movie as Supergirl....in 1984! 😄
Or Underworld, Resident Evil, Tomb Raider etc.
Lol you feel attacked..
Awww
@@warofmankind Jen is this you? Didn't expect you to be a fan of the Drinker
@@warofmankind attacked by a lack of knowledge by someone of their own profession! has she been living under a rock for her entire life? Weinstein should have had higher standards.
Yeah, I mean, what planet does she live on?
The lack of direction was really the most frustrating thing for me. It’s not like there wasn’t potential for after Endgame.
I was intrigued by some of the things Wandavision did with exploring the aftermath of those lost in the fight against Thanos, the aftermath of the snap’s reversal, and the showing of heroes wondering what to do now that those like Iron Man and Black Widow are gone and the difficulty of picking up where they left off and struggling doing so. The scene of Wanda losing her shit because of the grief of losing Vision is easily my favorite thing since Endgame. It was an appropriate thing to explore further and it was done in a very powerful manner. Yeah they definitely lost it at the end but the potential was absolutely there.
There was a lot that they could have done with those themes in particular but I feel like most of that was gone.
Wandavision's first 7 episdoes are criminally underrated.
@@catalinamelo9932 Right? They're actually really clever and imaginative. It got me really excited that they were trying something different and it was working until it didn't.
The leaders failed to realize a lot of people responded positively to Wandavision was because it was trying something different in an inventive way. It was also exploring a lot of the themes I'd expect such as the ones I listed. The best scene in Wandavision other than their fight is Wanda losing her shit because of going to the spot Vision planned for them to live. It's powerful, effective and an appropriate thing to explore given that she lost Vision.
Can we get more scenes like that please?
Agreed, Wanda vision was both entertaining and very interesting.
It fit in very well with the post-endgame aftermath, giving a meaningful perspective. And that's what I think gave the overall story that extra depth it needed.
I loved the perspective, and how the story unfolded. Plenty of interesting plot twists that actually made sense and kept it very entertaining.
It's a bit annoying how they keep sliding in the same random superpower side character, that being Monica Rameau, (the one who stopped the bullets by making them go through her)
Just the same character as that girl from multiverse of madness (who can make portals to different realities) or that iron Man knock off from wakanda for ever.
@@shanewright4650 I don't hate Monica as much as everyone else but I do agree that she wasn't as developed as she could have been and was taking away from what was working about Wandavision.
In Black Panther 2's defense, the Black Panther actually is a mantle that is passed on, unlike Ironman or Captain America.
The Black Panther mantle is to be earned in trial by combat. Shuri in the movie version MCU never trained in high level combat. Her fail body would shatter no matter what suit she was wearing.
Marvel is failing to tell the proper stories. They can create whatever reality they want. We can reject just as easily
Also, the entire plot of the first Black Panther movie is literally about the villain calling out Wakanda's hypocrisy of being selfish while the rest of the African sub-continent suffered.
Nope, Not completly right. In comics, the Winter soldier becomes the next captain america. After Steve Rogers got assassinated.
And also in their defense, Black panther was introduced in phase 3, had 1 solo film, 3 other film appearances, and had the actor not retire but tragically die from cancer.
@@totakekeslider3835 africas a full continent bro
I love that you say 'go away now', as opposed to 'please click like and subscribe' in every video. It's why I like every video I watch. ❤
For me, Endgame was the finish line and I am happy to keep it that way. Hollywood used to know how to entertain so I often find a bit of pleasure in watching classics like Back to the Future, Jurassic Park or Coming to America...
I feel endgame was the end and then far from home was an epilogue to the story in a way, to see the affects of endgame. I haven't even watched an MCU film since. Obviously it would never happen because they want to make more money, but if they ended it at phase 3 I would consider one of the best movie franchises.
@@Jack16114 You should watch No Way Home atleast.
@@byronsenior6499 yea, No Way Home is pretty much a direct sequel to Far From Home, with the movie starting right where the after end credits scene left.
@@byronsenior6499 NWH is overrated af.
Another thing was that some movies that were underrated back then are now classics that shows how painful the present schlock is. One film, "The Hunted," was a brilliant film with a manhunt for a former soldier gone insane from his wartime experiences being chased by not only the FBI and agents of the military, but also his former mentor. It was a deep, emotional Frankenstein style story which had the creator (Tommy Lee Jones) not be directly rejecting his creation (Benicio del Toro), as in the original Mary Shelley storyline, but rather by not answering his creation's written appeals to him for guidance in trying to find his humanity. And it is up to the viewer to realize the potent truth that the reason for such a lack of communication between the two characters is because the tracker/creator was filled with enormous guilt over his role in turning a once good man into a ruthless killing machine.
When I needed something to watch while cooking, Drinker is there.
To quote James Acaster "Never before have I been so offended by something I 100% agree with"
Phase 4 was definitely far from a perfect phase, but the hype train leading up to No Way Home and the film's release was absolutely amazing. Seeing everyone so excited about the idea of the three live-action Spider-Men unite against classic villains...I remember the cinema being absolutely packed on the first night, people dressing up as Spidey and all.
Great times...took me right back to the Infinity War hype
LITERALLY the only good Phase 4 movie.
And it was a Sony film, not a Disney film...
@@CorrectionUnknown it was Ok, just nostalgia bait, still a fun movie however
I just wish they had clarified the spell better, some plot holes and forced moments.
@@onesaucynougat7471 It's not just nostalgia bait, I'm sick of hearing this. It used Tobey and Andrew to complete Tom's arc from the last two movies. It also kept the Spidey's and their villains consistent and improved on them in some ways. Yeah it had nostalgia, but that's not all it was.
I so look forward to your videos. The fact that you have a big audience gives me hope.
Thanks to the Drinker for creatively summing up what so many of us are thinking and feeling as well. 🍻
That's a very astute observation.
You said *EVERYTHING* I had been feeling about phase 4. I've been reading Marvel Comics since '67 and have always been Marvel's #1 fan. Unfortunately, I can't choke down anymore of this puke they're peddling.
Love the Drinkers take and deconstruction of this phase 4 and this generation of movies/ stories!
Thank you! From a former movie fiend.
Thatsxso true mate
Stan lee got sick of the old media that was making political comics and entertainment with the message "hitler bad" . went out on his own to create a comic himself and thus lead to the massive juggernaut marvel is today.
Now, history really repeats itself from the same thing but in the form of mainstream media with their message. The only thing that people need to do is literally do the same thing stan did then, make your own.
Something I don't think many people talk about is all of this wokeness has seriously damaged the on screen presence of all those groups they say they're helping, you know, everyone except for straight whtie dudes. What I mean is if I saw a black character that was whtie in another rendition like on a comic book or older movie or a gay character I'd either think "Oh, that's neat" or not even give it any thought and just go on enjoying the film. Now though when I see that I'm thinking "Aw damnit, here we go again" and I think that's what alot of people do now. When I was a kid in the 80s and I'd be watching one of the two Star Wars films with Lando I wasn't thinking "Wow. A black guy." I was thinking "Hey, that's Lando." Films didn't have to draw all this attention to the fact they've got someone who isn't white, straight and male in the movie. Put whoever you want in a movie, but this isn't the 20s. You're not doing shit by your casting decisions because nobody is marginalizing these groups you say are marginalized.
But Lando wasn't a leading character in the Star Wars movies back in the 80s. We never followed his back story of how he got where he was. There wasn't a Lando solo movie. The main Star Wars leads at that time were white, straight, and mostly male (with exception of straight white leia) but it was predominately Luke's story over the course of the three films. Even though Vader was voiced by a black man, guess who's face we saw on screen when it was reveal? A white man. Look at the majority of Marvel movies - mostly straight white male leads for several phases. Kevin Feige stated he had to fight for years to make movies with diverse leads until Disney promoted him. Both Black Panther and Shang-Chi were originally planned to have their own solos in the MCU long before Iron Man was even in the picture. Yet the Black Panther solo didn't come till over a decade later and Shang-Chi longer than that. Marvel's first female led MCU Movie didn't happen until after 21 movies. We know from leaked emails that there was skepticism in the past about whether these films could do well in box office revenue, which was reflective of the attitudes toward these groups in terms of value they could bring. So in regard to Hollywood representation (like lead roles) yeah...they were marginalized. The point being: Attention will always be drawn to the leads of a movie or franchise. So people are gonna know when the leads aren't straight or white or predominately male because....not having many diverse lead characters IS the way its mostly been.
@@tyrchtemph1881 Most of this is moot because Star Wars was always about Luke and the Force. The side characters being great were a bonus, you act as if Lando wasn't well liked or popular when he was. How much did we learn about any of the side characters? Not much. It's not like there was anymore focus on them, we even got to see a redemption arc for Lando who leads the Rebellion along with Akbar to attack the death star. Lando even was piloting the Falcon.
As for your complaints about "white straight men" , well I hate to break it to you but the largest consumer of these products were white straight males, who live in an area that's majority white. Shocking. I know. It's crazy why they'd pick a demographic that would be the most likely to buy into or appreciate the story at hand. It's like people think it's some grand conspiracy when the reality is, it's mostly marketing. It's not like we don't have products aimed at black people or Asians etc.
Nobody would care if they put out more non-white characters or women. Yet when those characters are stereotypes of the worst kind, wrapped up in preachy ideologies or made to be insufferable, people check out. Tearing down your core demographic or anyone in general to try and build others never works.
I agree. I'm sick and tired of seeing characters being race and gender swapped, even if it's not the main character. There is no need because the comic books are full of diversity and inclusion. Just follow them, I don't get what the big deal is? Also, I think it's horrible to change an already established character just because you want to be inclusive, what about the original creator, that's being disrespectful to them.
This is very revealing and interesting. It's a confession on how when you growing up non-white, or gay characters were so rare that it would suprise you. Oh my god a black character, a gay character! But you never questioned the overwhelming amount of white casts or the generic white male lead role or their qualification and ability to do the job. But now because perhaps the default white male option isn't used as much as before you question the suitability of qualification of everyone who is non-white in movies. It shows how ethno-centric your world view is. Considering the optimal cinema and screen presence (70s and 80s) as optimal just exposes your biases and reflection of the culture and people you want to see on screen.
@@isaacm2374 Born when country was 97% white now it is 52% white. You exposed your lack of education and understanding of cause and effect at societal level. At least you will get to live very, very interesting times. It´s not like there is whole history of humankind to learn what happens next. I genuinely hope you live very long so you can experience future as it unfolds.
So refreshing for you to call out Chloe Zhao. She took her popularity by filming where I grew up and then headed out. She could've hired the people she worked with here to gain more recognition in hollywood. But nope, decided she took the fame and somehow ended up directing The Eternals.
I'm guessing she will come right back and work with her "crew" and regain that popularity again 🤦♂
She didn't get to say very much on who and what was done. Disney/Marvel just used her as a figurehead so they could get some headlines. She admitted how little she actually got to contribute on the film in an interview with NPR
@@treyadams9719 she is no innocent either tho
She won't be back, that's a one-way ticket. But she got paid a nice fat check so there's that.
I mean, I don't think she's obligated to bring them with her. It's nice if she does. But at the end of the day it's a job. If she feels like getting new people as a boss that's not really douchie or anything, it's just business.
If they wanted to bring in new characters to replace captain America and stuff; they really should have done origin stories for them so that they earned their position, or at least started to before picking up the mantel. For instance brining in the new person in the way they brought Ant Man into his role would have been perfect.
But why do that if you can just have them Poochie their way into the sequel of an established character?!
No one seems to notice it but Hank Pym not being Ant Man is a horrible message. "If you make one mistake during a psychotic episode you can never live it down and are a horrible piece of shit forever!" Then the same people who say that will talk about the importance of mental health. It's ridiculous.
Ant Man is the only mantle passing in the Marvel Comics that I can think of that was actually successful. DC has pulled off 3. Sure, the *name* of Captain America was passed down but when people say "Captain America" they're talking about Steve Rogers, not Sam Wilson. That's nothing against Sam Wilson either. I like him as a character but he's The Falcon, not Captain America.
I don't think "superhero fatigue" is as accurate as "Marvel fatigue"... I mean wow, 15 things in 2 years is crazy.
Agree on all points. Ive gone from being excited about all the MCU projects to hardly caring. It feels more like a chore to keep up.
It's like the white people are playing background and supporting characters now
I had an amazing experience related to modern Hollywood recently. I walked by a Redbox and realized I didn't recognize any of the offerings. I'm so out of touch with the absolute sewer dung that's being crapped out that I have no idea what any of it is. The last "new" release that I've seen is Joker. And, most likely, it will be that way for the rest if my life. Luckily, I still have the great movies I grew up watching like Big Trouble in Little China, War Games, Breakfast Club, etc... And my children are now experiencing those movies for the first time and they've enjoyed them more than the modern cookie cutter movies written by talentless activists.
Give independent artists and creators a chance. Even TCD has written his own books, and so have I. 🙂 Mine are titled "Diamond Dragons".
The biggest problem is that rich narcissists with no talent or experience have control of what people will see. But the poor creators who have actually done the WORK over the years are constantly ignored.
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Doubt that it's you're out of touch.
Mroe like many films didn't get the marketing needed due to covid and shit. Films being made during covid should are stjll coming out and those released during covid, didn't get much fare due to more important stuff going on to care.
Just wondering: is is hard to explain Life Before Cell Phones to your kids?
You will never again watch a new movie? I mean, you do you but there are still plenty of decent movies coming out... But in terms of 'superhero' movies, yes I'm with you, we've been there and we've done that. We've upped the stakes until they were so big literally anything could happen and nothing had meaning anymore. Time to move on. Joker was an ok movie but if it weren't for Joaquin Phoenix, that movie would have been just 'meh' and I believe that it could have been a way better movie if it wasn't set in the batman universe. I liked Joaquin's 'You were never really here' much much more because it's world building felt more real.
As an old school comics fan, there's a morbid fascination in watching Hollywood recreate the sins of the comics industry in fast-forward and then wondering why stuff isn't clicking when it's the same crap that wrecked comics. It's like they had instructions for demolishing a skyscraper and somehow got them confused for the construction blueprints.
9:30 this explains why the only MCU character I've been remotely invested in in phase 4 has been Doctor Strange because he's the only one with any meaning to me.