And to think they had a perfectly good and reasonable explination that already existed in Legends and they chose not to use it. Hell they could have just use Legends kept it Canon and made a far better set of movies.
what's more awkward is in the extended universe they dealt with a similar story path for palpatine and did it better but they couldn't do it like that in the movies because palpatine returning wasn't a plan from the start like i swear Ian McDiarmid said in a interview he was asked to do the last movie a year before it released and Disney changed way to much for it to work like the sequel trilogy was handled so unbelievably badly i honestly think one of these people was scarred by star wars as a kid or something and wanted revenge because the idea anyone could mess up that badly is hysterically terrifying. also side note i think the real issue issue with multiverse's in cinema compared to comics or games/animated series is that you do not get the same depth of story in movies these days as other media because it's got to be bigger and flashier so not only can people not die but also with things like a multiverse or time travel you need a lot of finesse to make it not completely break the stakes of things like marvel's solution is if you mess with stuff too much the living tribunal smacks you into nonexistence or worse and with say dc comics they have the presence and other multiversal beings that serve the same role as the tribunal the issue is with marvel and many other movie franchises that use the multiverse card literally none of these movies or tv shows introduce the reason time travel and the multiverse don't break everything and destroy consequence a good example is the flash tv series which at the start did it's best to explain why time travel didn't constantly happen and ruin reality or like stargate which touched on it and explained why it doesn't happen but you get a lot of studios who want to use these plot systems as quick fixes or as the next big thing without actually having the things that make it semi plausible to not ruin everything in their source material.
I don’t know-Pearl Harbor’s “I think World War Two just started!” Is right up there, considering WW2 had been going on for over two years by that point.
Not now. With the MCU being the biggest thing in the history of Hollywood, they have to copy everything from comics. Even the worst things about comics like death being a meaningless marketing stunt.
Comic book heroes and villains die and come back to life all the time. No one is forever dead in a comic so why would they be forever dead in a comic book movie? We are NOT talking high cinema, we are talking Marvel, I doubt the spelling in the scripts are given much thought.
Are you crazy or something? If it isn't a franchise with prequels, sequels, spin-offs, tie-ins and multimedial presence it isn't worth doing. Or something.
People demand more, and like a parent giving into a child's fit, modern Hollywood gives 'em what they want. It's like when I saw a question, "What book series did you wish would never end?" A lot of people said Harry Potter or LOTR, but I had to wonder, why did they want Harry never to defeat Voldemort? Why did they never want Sam and Frodo to destroy the ring? I couldn't think of any more where I didn't want it to end.
It’s surprising that death is even considered a possibility in storytelling these days, given that modern protagonists have plot armour thicker than the writer’s skulls
I've noticed that often if I really like a character, if I also see myself in them, they will be humiliated and then killed off, permanently dead. Clearly the writers personally dislike people like me.
I love that the entire video ended on the shot of Elysium’s fields in “Gladiator”; one of the most poignant stories of “embracing death with dignity” in cinema history. “What we do in life echoes in eternity.”
We should be glad “the power of one, the power of two, the power of many” is only on Disney+ and not in the cinemas… or else it could easily take its place.
The thing is in theory almost every Movie, Show or Book franchise based around the concept of good vs evil can last forever. Unless the concept of evil itself is defeated. If ppl are still supposedly capable of becoming bad in that universe. Than it makes since that inevitably their would eventually be another villain needing to be stoped someday… But reviving old ones villains and extended storylines that are already ended with no sizable loose ends to explore really can hurt the franchise if done wrong.
Good thing Disney overcame all this by not letting characters die in the first place, even though they just got run through with a lightsaber. What a genius move.
The closing shot of Maximus heading through the Elysian fields is a perfect example of how death drives home a storyline and culminates a character's journey. It's "Happily ever after" for the real world.
Sure is! In year 2000 we all got sad and angry when he died to that asshole emperor stabing him... But stuff like that is what makes you feel for the characters, its not fair, its brutal, its honest, real and final. Same with braveheart and Ned stark.
The concept of multiverse was utilized in comics to accomodate new art styles and costume renditions of new illustrators without having to erase the past versions. In movies, it's just used to plug plot holes.
In comics, there are also so many different storylines and arcs that they cannot all fit into a realistic timeline (no way Batman lived through his 100s of adventures without dying of old age before reaching the end), so a multiverse doesn't really affect the "standard operation" of the comic's premise all that much, whereas films tend not to exist in a timeless vacuum in quite the same way
This is why The Critical Drinker has close to 2 million subscribers. He's the voice of every movie fan with a working brain. I find myself shouting every one of his points at my television set, repeatedly.
" I find myself shouting every one of his points at my television set, repeatedly." I find myself giving up over all modern mainstream entertainment altogether. I think Black Mirror was the last show or movie I watched that had any sort of originality to it. But even Black mirror was only good until to Season 4 and the Bandersnatch special in 2018. Season 5 and 6 are crap.
It just annoys me that there are so many people who so gracefully consume dogshit media and try to castrate you for pointing out how bad it actually is. I cannot wait for humanity to get over this evolutional hump in our intelligence. It needs to happen sooner rather than later.
precisely, he gets far too much hatred, it hurts to see other critics bash him, I'm among one of the few UA-cam film critics that always vehemently defends him
One of the worst things about the Abrams Star Trek movies was we’re supposed to buy that Kirk and Spock have this close friendship without showing why. They go from antagonizing coworkers to Spock losing it at Kirk’s death. Where as when Spock dies in Star Trek II you completely understand Kirk’s heart wrenching grief at losing his friend because you’ve seen that friendship build in the Original Series.
It's like people both overdo and underdo respect for the Star Trek Original Series. I'm a Star Wars fan, primarily, because I was a child when Voyager was airing, and I watched it with my dad, but Star Wars was just more fun for me. Watching the Original Series, I could appreciate what the essence of Star Trek was. I might like Next Generation, but I tried to watch some of it as a youngling, and it seemed very pretentious to me. I've gotten my bf to watch Farscape with me, so I'll probably be watching Next Generation with him. I really liked the OG Star Trek, though.
I think this is also another great example of the maturity of the writers. When I was young I never wanted a story to end and hated when a character died. As I matured I began to realize the importance and beauty of endings, both for stories and characters. It’s not just lazy writing, it’s childish at its core
You nailed it. One just has to look around the table of these “writers block” to fully understand why movies and television has gone to shyte? Nothing but 20 something know-it-alls who got the job through nepotism, and have absolutely ZERO life or love experience? They project their own politics, insecurities, biases and narcissism into these stories and characters, which is why the audience cannot connect. In Kathy Kennedys case, all stories must involve a brunette British Mary Sue, to show the men how’s its done!!!
Matured? Those mugheads don't know what that is, in fact I don't believe they're capable of ripe an avocado, even less to write anything resembling a intellectually able adult being.
Spot on, mate. I remember watching the Terminator die as a kid and wondering why they were so stupid as to kill the main character, unaware that death was precisely what gave the whole story its weight, and that that dramatic and complete closure would stay as one of the most fond movie memories for years to come.
As a kid you could have an adventure with your favourite action hero put him back in the box and do it all again the next day, that's fine for a four-year-old.
The sad thing is Flash Comics used to make a HUGE deal out of this: That you can't just go back in time to solve your problems, because it always causes far WORSE problems. It's why most time travel stories has the protagonists be guardians of the timeline, while the antagonists are the ones trying to use it to change things
So Reverse-Flash is the hero, and Flash is the anti-hero in the modern remake? Neat. "We" are cheering for the badguys. And people still can't understand how people actually fought FOR evil in the past, historically.
@@nobody8717 I've not seen the movie, but the story it's based on (The Flashpoint Paradox) was Flash learning that moral lesson. That he can't just time travel to save his mother who died when he was a kid. Sure, he makes that mistake and it's the driving force of the movie, but that doesn't make him a villain. It's how he LEARNS that he mustn't mess with the timeline.
I remember watching the Star Wars scene where what's his name says "Somehow Palpatine returned" and thinking "Ah, so this is what creative bankruptcy looks like"
@@Xeorboomi agree, they set it up so that palpatine was obsessed with escaping death, the tale of darth plagueis and cloning technology. But god damn they fucked it up bigtime
@@rasmussolstrand5606The big reason why they didn’t go more into Palpatine’s revival is because they flat out didn’t plan on it. Rise of Skywalker was written entirely after The Last Jedi was already out, meaning there was no time to foreshadow anything. The entire sequel trilogy was written on the fly with no plans on what to do next.
So i never saw the third movie. The Force Awakens was a pretty terrible movie, but I gave The Last Jedi a chance in theaters and that ended Star Wars for me. Is that really all the explanation given for his return?
This is one of the reason why I'm so grateful in how mature Stoick's death was in HTTYD, sure, they had a fakeout death in the first movie, but Hiccup had to pay a price for it, he didn't came out of the final battle untouched, he actually lost a limb, and in the sequel when his father died, he STAYED DEAD, his funeral was a turning point in the narrative and was taken serious
Those r my favorite animated movies EVER and they r already gonna remake it "with changes." For sure it's gonna be awful and woke as all get out. They r race-swapping Astrid! If the numbskull writers thought for 2 seconds, they would realize that a black girl in a Viking village only got there by dint of a raid and being made a slave, or the same happening to her ancestor! Not very "politically correct" is that? Hiccup losing his leg hurt. Stoick's death hurt. Hiccup being mature enough to let Toothless go hurt. A lot. Don't screw with these movies! They r perfection!
@@beksc9209 I agree the HTTYD movies are fantastic. The franchise wasn't scared of bringing depth and emotion to their characters. The movies done something right if i cry every time i see Stoick die or Hiccup parting ways with Toothless or even getting hyped with the intro of HTTYD2. I will not touch the new remakes because its goanna ruin something so great. The HTTYD franchise is the second best animated trilogy to me, behind the Spider-verse films and closely followed by the first two Kung Fu panda movies.
Definitely, even though I didn't like some things about the 2nd and 3rd movie, I understood why they did it (Hidden World is more whole movie theme, where 2 is just Stoick)
In the 90s there was a comic book company called Valiant Comics. They had a great tag line in there ads that said "Valiant comics, where dead characters stay dead." That is such a great tag line. It made you wonder who was going to die and you knew if they died they weren't coming back.
@@garretthintz4154I enjoyed Turok: Dinosaur Hunter, XO Manowar, and Magnus: Robot Fighter. I always thought valiant had the stories and image had the pretty pictures.
The bigger issue is that nothing is allowed to end. Stories go on and on until they are no longer profitable at which point they are put on ice until they feel enough time has passed for nostalgia to overcome the previous disappointment.
stories that go on until they become threadbare, you can see through them, unable to move the viewers or generate tension or suspense because you know the main character will never fail, never die and will never learn or evolve.
It's part and parcel to any and all series from any media: tv, movie, novel or comic book. The whole point is that they don't end and you're just not supposed to think about it too much. Otherwise you're left thinking, hey, just how old is James Bond anyway? or Nancy Drew, or Batman.
As someone who's lost a lot of loved ones in their life, This particular episode hit hard, what it teaches me the most is that Hollywood does not understand the basic human condition.
Moral of the Story: If a hero/villain has an emotional/satisfying and impactful end to their character, and there's no point to continuing their stories Do. Not. Bring. Them. Back.
I think THE biggest fear a child has is losing their parents. It's the reason Mufasa's death was so tragic and, in my opinion, Littlefoot's mom was even worse in The Land Before Time. As sad as these scenes were, they do the important job of making the audience confront uncomfortable things that go beyond the movie's story, it's part of the human experience and media helps people think about what events like that would do to you but in a healthy way. I have no idea what children growing up on current media are learning...
Back when Disney knew that, even in children's storytelling, you needed a traumatic event to establish the goals and motivation for our protagonist and to get the audience invested in their journey. The death of Bambi's mom comes to mind as well. When he calls for her after those final gun shots, still makes me cry
Nah. Land Before Time was wayyyyy too traumatic. I tried to watch it with my niece, and I felt awful for even putting it on. It's an insanely cruel thing to show a child, and it's amazing how many films from that time were. Watched Beethoven lately? Do you remember what the antagonist was doing? That's right, he was testing a new line of bullets on the heads of people's dogs. It shows you the dogs crying in cages while he explains he is going to shoot them all to test his bullets. They might not die, just be terribly injured. Seriously, kids should never have been shown half the stuff we were. Coincided strangely with the introduction of SSRIs to teenagers who were shown all this stuff as children.
@@peterc3262 So, you're saying there's a correlation between the amount of teens on antidepressants and the cartoons they watched as children? Reach much? Get a grip. Yeah, I'm sure it had everything to do with children's cartoons and not drug companies trying to make a profit. Have you heard of the opioid epidemic? I'm sorry the media you consumed as a child made you feel feelings other than, "Yay!" and "Cool!" you poor thing. Because empathy is bad, right?
Not many people remember the old Valiant Comics, but a literal tag line of theirs was "when our heroes die, they stay dead," superimposed over the grave of one of the Harbingers
I'm glad you included a couple scenes from Harry Potter, because as much as it's viewed as a kid's franchise, the deaths of the characters held massive weight, were treated with extreme respect in the story, and fans are still grieving for those characters all these years later.
“No spell can awaken the dead, Harry.” Goblet of Fire. Rowling set the tone for that in the Philosopher’s/Sorcerer’s Stone & to her credit, held to it.
That is an insult to Saturday Morning Cartoons - they were often crafted with care and had a life lesson or proper message in them - modern entertainment is just... Soulless Shit
*On a similar note* : Nobody actually dies or story ends anymore. Look at characters like Ahsoka, the creator literally couldn’t let her go so he introduced time travel to be used for the sole purpose of bringing her back.. the characters been alive to see the old republic, empire and new republic and met EVERY character.. it’s bordering on fan fiction.
Reminds me of the animated movie Justice League: Crisis on Infinite Earths, where Owlman plots to destroy the entire multiverse and everything in existence because nothing matters due to the sheer fact the multiverse exists in the first place. Interesting how that movie was actually pretty ahead of its time, giving the best criticism of the multiverse trope well before it became popular.
I have to admit, I'm a part of that audience 😅 I remember I sat through most of HTTYD 2 and 3 and just hoped that Stoic would somehow return. But his death was gutwrenching and well done because it was so sudden, yet had an enormous impact on the rest of the franchise.
@@LillyLouyou should watch older movies to learn how to process grief of a movie character. When your parent(s) die, most of the time it's up to you do deal with everything. There is no way to stop the time and deal with your loss. You need to to walk forward and learn to live it with.
I remember something that is told in the making-of DVD of the Legendary Edition of Halo 3. The composer, Marty O'Donnell, explains that the first version of the story had no real punch to it, and he managed to convince the team that they should kill Sargeant Johnson, an absolute fan favorite, in a last heroic scene near the end of the game. The sentence he used to explain his vision has been echoing inside my head since 2007: "There are no heroic actions if they do not come with heroic consequences" Such a brilliantly simple idea. If nothing is at stake, then you are no hero. You are just playing it safe.
This is what Edge of Tomorrow and other movies with a loop story got right... Even though their main character keeps coming back to life, there is a huge stake involved, and a traumatic wearing down of the protagonist, seeing how no matter what they do, they can't escape their fate of resurrection when everybody they care about dies around them
Yes. Like also in "altered carbon", the concept of immortality can be explored extremely deep and well. If it is not just used on the side to milk emotions for lack of better ideas. It is funny how Tarantino actually perfected playing with the audience's feelings. But he does it with authentic ideas, while telling a great story. So also this emotional play can actually be done great. The only thing that simply does not work is being cheap and bad as a writer. And I am pretty sure it is more the decision takers than the writers who go for all these bland, risk-reduced non-ideas.
I really like how in a lot of your clips you showed characters who were killed off and DID stay dead, for example Maximum from Gladiator; or, Sirius Black from Harry Potter. It really highlights the extent of the problem you raised, as it makes you think about how shit those movies would have been, if at the end of the film they actually did come back to life somehow. Character deaths are crucial for an interesting and compelling fictional story.
The visual novel series "Muv-Luv" manages to do this is the worst way possible. It has a "everyone dies" ending and immediately follows it up with an equivalent of an "it was all a dream" ending right after. And that's after it's ignored all the player choices you've been making and forcing you to cuck best girl for worst girl.
harry potter had that weird watch thing though that was just randomly forgotten forever it was good enough to save a friggin chicken but not enough to save their friends and loved ones
@@roobertmaxity I’m pretty sure that watch gets confiscated. Plus, it works on the rules that the users aren’t seen. I’m pretty sure all other character deaths would have been impossible to prevent due them being caught.
The death of Spock is one of the most moving scenes I've watched. First, a beloved character that I came to know as a kid watching reruns of the original series. What really made it powerful was Kirk's reaction. Always a man of action who always managed to pull it off lost a close friend and was completely devastated by that loss. Say what you will about William Shatner's acting style, he nailed that scene and made it very real.
@@SongbirdstressWell, Nimoy did come back and I like how his character was brought back. He also did a cameo for the new Star Trek movie. It was Harrison Ford who really did not want to come back as Han Solo and wanted his character dead in the original trilogy.
@@Songbirdstress That's not actually true. He was in the midst of contract battles over his pay and it was miscommunicated to the director Nimoy might've wanted out. Which was why he came back later and directed a bunch of movies, like. He was enthusiastic about it. But he wasn't a diva and took Spock's death and played it out, he was a professional. It's actually an interesting story, I recommend a YT channel called Rowan J. Coleman, he did a whole retrospective on Trek, delving into a lot of the behind the scenes history.
Like taking a lightsaber that has a heat of 20,000°F through the gut that you not only don't die from, but you're athletically running around and fighting without issue about a week later?
@@DrCognitiveReva surviving it not only once, but twice coupled with the fact she was, like, ten or something when she got her first stab is the biggest bullshit if all these stabbings. Second to the Inquisitor who looked dead during the scenes after, not moving, breathing or blinking, or even groaning in pain.
My favorite thing about the Palpatine line is Oscar Isaac's hesitation before he says it "Oh God do I really have to say this...? I'm getting paid millions to say this but do I REALLY have to say this?"
If you're under 35, you may not know that Palpatine was originally known as "The Emperor" until he was given a new name in the sucky prequels (which now look like masterpieces thanks to Disney).
@@Scripture-Man which adds another layer of WTF-ness because the characters in the sequels should be calling him The Emperor, NOT Palpatine. The sequels take place AFTER the original trilogy, during which he was known solely as The Emperor. If they're calling him Palpatine then why aren't they calling Vader "Anakin"?
@@Sarah_Hwhat does this even mean? palpatine is no longer an emperor in the sequel trilogy. people knew anakin as vader by that point. what logic are you even trying to apply? because people in the real world referred to palpatine as "the emperor" when the OT released, the people in the movies should refer to palpatine as "the emperor" in the new movie where he is no longer an emperor?
@@phosphatepod the point is that the the people in the original trilogy and the new movies never knew him as "Palpatine", they only knew him as The Emperor. Anyone who knew him as Palpatine is gone by the time the sequel trilogy happens. So they should say "somehow, The Emperor returned". How people refer to him in real-life has no bearing on how he's referred to in the movies
Edge of Tomorrow did dying and time travel really well. What really helped was that they limited the time travel and reviving to a very limited set of rules.. You had to first get infected by the alien blood. If you die while infected by the alien blood you only go back to the start of the day. If you receive human blood you lose the powers. The movie does a good job of showing Tom Cruise learn from each of his deaths and use the information he learned from the future.
@@anubusx -- I really like the film because Emily Blunt is so damn perfect & infinitely dreamy.... ... ... *long sigh ... uh! Anyway; her only fault is her choice of husband -- I mean, John Krasinski & not me...?!! What the hell was she thinking?!
And I like how on top of it, they did it all with a really good sense of humor too. I love how many times Tom Cruise got killed in goofy ways only to respawn and go back to the start like a video game checkpoint😆 especially Emily shooting him dead repeatedly, hahahahaha. Definitely a well done movie.
Because in Edge of Tomorrow, the reviving is a part of the problem the hero faces, rather than being a lazy solution for writers who cant come up with a new hero.
One I think should be included was Church from Red vs Blue… probably one of the saddest character “deaths” that genuinely made me cry… I quote death because Burnie Burns just came back to properly end Red vs Blue
I think you meant "SAD" lol you ppl watch so much drama that you're starting to confuse sadness with beauty which is the most opposite thing imaginable.
The closing 'Over the Top' scene in the final episode of the WW 1 'Blackadder' series is truly one the most wrenching Death of established characters moments in TV history; an untuned piano tinkles softly, then fades to silence over a view of a vast field of blood-red poppies...
The final scene of Peter Weir's Gallipoli is much like this: one of the protagonists fails to get to the trenches in time to stop the charge and the men go over the top to all be cut down in swathes. The protagonist, Archie Hamilton, is left running alone with no rifle. He cops a burst of machine gun fire to the chest, the frame freezes. Then fades to black. Damn it's powerful.
I am not British, but I always felt like it was just a good way to end the series. BA and the crew technically die in every era they were in weren't they? This ending still had a great finish to it. imho, it was the most "modern" they could get with BA with it still being "funny" in the 1980s. Everything modern was still too fresh, they couldn't do WW2, or 'Nam, and the Falklands War was literally the year before. Cold War was still going super strong. They got as far as they could and ended the series on the highest note possible.
Intrestingly, it wouldn't even be an inconvenience to have another series of Blackadder because it was a different character in every series anyway. The only unexplained plot contrivance is when each Blackadder fathers an heir and with whom. (Actually, that is at least plausible. The utterly implausible bit is how Baldrick ever fathers an heir) 😆
I don't think they die in one of the series. They all end up in Queen Lizzie's throne room after a night of drunken debauchery at the conclusion of that one.
The Green Mile always stuck with me because it was such a powerful and emotional death. I remember even my dad tearing up, and that was so unlike him. Now a days, death means nothing in these bland films.
Death is something that will happen to us all but modern safetyism represses it, covers everything in sugar and rainbows (literally with our food and our ideology) to present a world that seems to have no hardship which is a lie
Do you know what is really frustrating dear Drinker? That the narrative of your 10 minute video is far better in every way than what Hollywood can put out these days with their massive budgets. Even if I know the ending, it’s still better and more entertaining than any movie I’ve seen of late… Thanks for making movies suck even more :D
10:22 what do you mean that this year they're going to learn that the hardest way possible? Is there an upcoming movie that's going to mess up something for them that I'm not aware of? Thanks for any clarification.
@@JohnyPaprikas you already answered your own question we had at least three multiverse related films released Spiderverse, ant man, and the flash and gues what spiderverse was the only success (because it was the only good film of the three) the rest where failures. it proves that the multiverse as a concept is no longer relevant or fascinating anymore, and the studios learned it the hard way. so yes drinker is right my dear friend
At least Michelle Rodriguez declined to return to Avatar, “I was like, ‘You can’t do that - I died as a martyr,” she explained. “Jim, I came back in Resident Evil, I wasn’t supposed to. I came back in Machete, I wasn’t supposed to. I came back with Letty, I wasn’t supposed to. We can’t do a fourth, that would be overkill!'”
sadly i hated her character in Avatar. I like her as an actor. But i couldn't stand her character. also why weren't she jailed for deserting active combat simply cus she "didn't sign up for this shit"
@@SammaclauseGamgee indeed. It was visually impressive for its time. But the story was just a copy of other titles. And the plot was mediocre. And the cast... also i never cared about the "blue monkeys" i was team human all the way, Earth is dying, and the "unobtanium" is a resource that helps back on earth.
@@Softpaw1996 I mean, I guess. I was team "try to work with the blue guys", but it literally just felt like Pocahontas Dances With Wolves in space due to how obvious the Native American stereotype was, and Cameron didn't help himself with the interviews. It was the drivel you're taught by disingenuous professors in college about American history, without any of the actual redemption arc that even those lies had.
The only character that could be endlessly resurrected without losing the intrigue and freshness was The Doctor. When the series had good writers, that is.
@@gonkdroid8279 I'm not sure what RTD can do with the show at this point. It'll limp along for nostalgia reasons for a couple of years, but I think that's it, unless they can find a (believable) way of negating everything Chib and Whitaker did to the show.
@@terrystewart1973 At least the original Toymaker story had only one troublesome issue*, and that could be fixed by muffling the audio. * The version of "Eenie Meenie Miney Moe" that references a man rather than a tiger or a rabbit.
The biggest movie franchise i history, by the most wealthy powerful studio on earth…had an entire writers room say, “How do we explain to the audience how Palpatine returned?” And the answer of the highest paid writers ever was “…write down ‘somehow’”
Just a bunch of overpaid egotistic wannabe writers looking down on their audience and thinking "They're just dumb f**ks anyway, they'll watch the movie and buy the merch' " makes me sad
This is a bit disingenuous. In that scene, they surmised some of the ways the Sith may have learned to cheat death, but they weren't certain because Palpatine had done all these things in secret for years. They were just facing up to the fact that Palpatine had indeed returned, but not sure how, since they knew he died on the second death star.
I remember my sisters used to laugh about the shaky plot twists and return of dead characters in the tv soaps they watched, which they knew were bad. Compared to films today those soap stories stand up quite well
Bingo! One episode of Another World feels like Shakespeare, in comparison with all our wretched post-modern poppycock. Give me Wallingford and Cecilia any day.
"The end result is a kind of a creative inertia, like a car spinning its wheels in the mud, splattering sh*t everywhere without actually making any forward progress," That was so beautifully said haha. It's so true though. So much of everything out of Hollywood these days is just mindless crap
"spinning and splattering" is right. The spinning never ends and the splattering is acting like a barrier... keeping people with brains OUT of the cinema. Sad, because a bit of creativity and risk-taking could lead us to a movie golden age if anyone in the business could be persuaded to give a damn.
You hit the nail on the head about multiverses..it ruins tension, suspense and kills immersion and it’s just lazy writing. It murders the continuity for everyone involved but Hollywood just can’t seem to understand that at all…almost like they have no self awareness 🤔
Endgame and Spiderverse have been the only instances of the multiverse being used where it is enjoyable and makes some sense. This is primarily because each of these give themselves strong limitations resulting in several character's perma deaths.
@@festo512Those resurrections were all Disney or Dave Filoni in Star Wars TCW series. None of those were Lucas’s idea. Maul was sliced in half. Filoni should have left him alone but they wanted to capitalize on how popular he was as a “cool bad guy”
Absolutely agree, I really hate when a movie/tv show or a video game gives their audience a very dramatic scene about the death of a character but then voilà they are back like nothing happens. It really ruins all the feeling of when we were crying for their death
I remember watching Infinity War and having the thought that when Dr. Strange said, "It was the only way.", what he really meant was, "If we don't kill off half the cast, we won't be able to afford the sequel!"
My personal theory is that Strange saw LOTS of possible endings where they won but intentionally steered events toward savings ALMOST everyone (Loki still dead, Gamora from another universe and Nebula pulls a Teal'c-like "ours is the only reality of consequence" move) and killing all the bad guys but ALSO getting rid of a man he disliked. Respected, sure, but remember for all his moralicious hoity-toitiness he's still human.
How do you kill half of an infinite universe anyway? There's no half of infinity. Thanos reason for doing this didnt even make any sense, what he's saving them from overpopulation like his homeworld? Those movies are based on nonsense, people love em
I remember watching infinity war and being disgusted at the end of the movie because instead of having a bunch of meaningful and powerful sacrifices I instantly knew that the next movie would undue all of those deaths instantly negating any meaning that those deaths had. I had been a fan of the MCU up until that point. That is when I really tired of the MCU though. I still watched Endgame, and it played out more or less how I knew it would. So dissapointing.
When I first watched the force awakens and witnessed Han Solo's death, it honestly shocked me and brought me to tears. It made me reflect on Han as a character and how much I loved him in the OT even though he wasn't my favorite favorite character. On the flip side, even though I despise the sequel trilogy, I thought about when Luke said "No one is really gone." and took it to mean that our loved ones live on in our hearts and minds. Little did I realize that was Disney-code for "We're bringing back a long dead antagonist because we've run out of ideas!" Rise of Skywalker was so awful.
I spent the whole scene wondering if the movie was going to actually do the most trite and cliched thing possible by having Kylo Ren kill Han Solo. That it happened had no emotional impact for me, because I was already taken out of the story by wondering at how bad the writing would be.
@@scottydu81 1. No one reads Salvatore dude, Zahn and Stackpole are cannon. 2. It's not called "expanded universe" anymore, it's called "legends". Get with the times.
There was a line from The Sandman comics that has always stuck with me: “death gives life meaning.” Because we (and fictional characters) can die it makes us valuable with the time we have and the things we do. Work, blood, sweat, tears, sacrifices mean something. But when you can just wave a hand and resurrect someone you bring them back but it has a price: the value of that life that was restored.
Yes and that's why I stopped reading Sandman at the natural conclusion of the arc. I understand they're still making comics but the story ended decades ago.
If you have like $1,000 worth of games installed on your PC via Steam and the hard drive crashes what do you do? You put a new HDD in your PC and restore the purchases. Are the games that you reinstalled now worth less than they were before?
Gee how profound! I always thought Gaiman was an antiwhite hack but if he can write totally not generic trite like that then maybe I was wrong about him.
I know it was just a few seconds on the screen but I was really happy to see you referencing The Last of the Mohicans. The pain and loss displayed by Chingachgook after his son Uncas dies is a very powerful and moving experience for me no matter how many times I see it. Vengeance, no JUSTICE was served that day but it's all for not because with Uncas's death Chingachgook is now the Last of the Mohicans. Their line ends with him. I cannot think of a more powerful death in media besides maybe Bram Stoker's Dracula when Gary Oldman's (FLAWLESS) Dracula allows his reincarnated soulmate Mina/Elisabetha to drive the knife through his heart to end centuries of pain and lonelyness. Modern movies suck!
As a young man the first movie my wife and I saw together was Braveheart and Muron's death really affected me for a good while, I think I may have mourned a little bit, but it strengthened my resolve to be both protector and provider for my beloved and in a small way made me a better man
The Villains are the Hero's now it seems like. And not in an ironic anti-hero sort of way, I mean that main Hero characters today are literally written the way a movie villain would have been not that long ago. Self-absorbed, narcassistic, power hungry, views themselves as perfect and can do no wrong, knows everything and does everything well no matter how much training or anything. Then they wonder why this crap bombs over and over and over again now.
You can bring a villain back, but you better think of a damn good reason for how they managed to crawl their way into the land of the living, and provide that context to the audience at some point in the story.
That hit extra hard since I hadn't read the books and didn't know it was coming. He started bawling, Harry was in tatters, and the realization that no potion would cure him hit like a boulder. I hear his voice even now.
That and Dobby's death (the book IMO much stronger) really touched me, especially the final quiet "Harry Potter" like that said everything there was for him to say. Both were handled super well.
Ya that was sad.. and i doin’t like Harry Potter lol.. but the fact a kid died trying to protect another.. and doesn’t come back.. it’s a hard hit in a magical world.. when you have deathly hollows and friends.. Kinda like in a game.. and your revive doesn’t work.. omfg.. i reset 😂
When I think of some of my favorite movies where the main character dies in the end, it's that feeling of loss and wanting to see it end a different way so they survive, that sticks with you and plants a special place in your heart. When they are bought back to life for whatever reason, it cheapens the feelings and memories of the original...forever !!
The fact that you showed Tom Cruise's depiction of Claus von Stauffenberg while talking about Hollywood bringing back characters just because they can is such a brilliant way of stressing how irreverent they are towards even historical heroes with this issue.
I read a (sorta) essay that a friend of mine wrote, titled "The Importance of The End". In it, he talked about how important the end is to any journey/story and why it should remain "the end" once it is finished. To continue in any way, even through the excuse of a prequel or spin-off will only take away from the finality.
@@jaythomas468 I think that sense of finality goes beyond just the current story itself coming to end, it's the finality of seeing this universe and cast of characters coming to an end. Think in terms of Harry Potter, when those books were coming to an end or the movies. When those ended, it felt right and final. To do prequels or some continuation would take away from that. It's why I refuse to read that stage play. If I'm going back to the world of Harry Potter, it's though what I have already read or watched.
@@tjjordan4207 Definitely. It’s why even though I personally understand why a lot of people may rate certain movies HIGHER within multi-part stories, my personal favorites have always been like Return of the Jedi, The Dark Knight Rises, and Return of the King.
At least it was established in the first movie that Barbossa's crew doesn't really vibe with the whole "death" thing. I can see being released from the curse via death as enough to explain him coming back.
@@FragmentJack If you don't like being called groomers, stop grooming children then. That goofy ass "I label thee conservative, therefore I win and you're the bad guy!" only works in your heads and in your echo chambers, not in the real world.
Definite for modern Disney, not so much for classic and renaissance Disney. It's interesting how the classic villains often died in unique/memorable/poetic/and in Frollo's case, divinely justified manners.
The best thing a story can do is end. The finality of a good ending (i.e., one that wraps up prominent story beats satisfactorily) means it has said all it needs to. It makes the characters more defined and the themes more poignant if there's not a crimson "but" forever hanging off the end of a story, forever threatening to change what has already happened. I just wish more media would simply end.
Great comment. And this is exactly why I'm ending my book series at two installments. I don't want to prolong the story for the sake of a trilogy, as cool as it would be to make.
On the point of nobody staying dead, I love how hard the Fast and Furious movies bent over backwards to try and keep Han around, even after he was decisively killed off in Tokyo Drift. First they had to set the next bunch of movies before Tokyo Drift for some reason, just so they could plausibly have Han as part of the 'family (TM)'. Then they tried to retcon his death by car accident in Tokyo Drift so that it was actually a deliberate assassination by Deckard Shaw, just so they could introduce a new villain into the franchise and tie in the events of Tokyo Drift which was originally supposed to be a standalone film with nothing to do with the original F&F films. And then eventually they just said screw it and brought Han back anyway, complete with a weaksauce 'oh he actually crawled out of his car and escaped' cop-out explanation for how he survived the original car crash. A car crash in the middle of Tokyo, with thousands of witnesses around, who all saw a car get T-boned, flipped over, land on its roof and EXPLODE INTO FLAMES, but somehow missed seeing Han crawl from the wreckage and escape. I'm almost surprised they haven't found a way to bring back Brian O'Connor yet. You know they'll try.
oh don't worry ... Now that they've successfully used the tech in the Starwars movies we will be seeing more dead actors reprising their roles. It's going to be like that scene in 'Running Man' where they casually replace actors and show the audience a fake fight where the hero dies. I think it was one of the reasons for the recent writers/actors strike ... (although that was more about them wanting more money when Hollywood does that and less about artistic integrity) (btw : CD Project Red are using 'AI' tech to add the voice of a dead voice actor to the expansion for 'Cyberpunk 2077' as the poor guy had died after the initial game was made ... )
lol exactly my thoughts, Han must've been clothed in the same type of plot armor as Diesel's character when he literally just walked out of the wreckage of a crashed plane completely unscathed in F&F6
Han from F&F is an egregious one. He died in an accident in Tokyo Drift. It’s then retconned that he was killed intentionally by Jason Statham. 2 movies later he shows up eating chips like nothing ever happened, with zero explanation. Even for F&F it’s a whole new level of ridiculous.
"Like a car spinning its wheels in the mud splattering shit everywhere without actually making any forward progress." Such deep wisdom😂 But seriously this is the most terrifying video I've seen from you. I don't want the movie magic to die. I hate where the world's going with this
There is hope.. we are seeing things shift.. but we need to get rid of these activist and elites.. which they’re kinda doing a good job doing it to themselves with the strike.. they’re showing their true colours.. The more independents and people truly passionate back in charge we will see a renaissance.. and for the love of god i pray for comedy to return.. jfc.. you can’t be woke and funny…which is why nothing has been funny lately.- unless its online. Keep a little hope…
Seeing the final death scene of "30 Days of Night" reminded me how my girlfriend and I both cried and we walked out of the cinema feeling melancholy but extremely happy that it ended with such great loss and simply wouldn't happen again. A one-off moment to savour like mortality truly is.
Have you watched Midnight Mass? I know it might sound like a random question, but I deeply recommend it if you liked 30 Days of Night and the way it handles death.
"Fair and foul are near of kin, And fair needs foul," I cried; "My friend are gone, but that's a truth Nor grave nor bed denied Learned in bodily lowness And in the heart's pride."
It wasn't hard to see this coming. I warned people about it on comics message boards about it a long time ago, and most people got mad at me. They thought I was just peevishly pissing on their parade. Now movies have done the same thing.
The montage of final moments for characters is wonderful. When I was a kid and Final Fantasy 7 came out, a friend of mine who had a Japanese copy of the game spoiled a character's death for me. It actually made me appreciate the time I had access to that character more, and I think more writers need to think in those terms. Appreciate what you have for the time it's there, not try to get a Gameshark to hack the game's code and ruin a bunch of save files because you can't let go and its your own fault you named a character after your crush and feel like you need her there for the final battle. Metaphorically speaking, of course.
That character will 100% survive in the remake. After all, it's a different timeline , games are getting just as bad as the movies when it comes to writing.
And in FF VII it is different (permanent) to those JRPG deaths you usually get: Favourite character X dies. Party all sad. But then new character Y turns up and is a carbon copy of character X (see Legend of Dragoon Lavitz/Albert and The Last Remnant Emma/Emmy for examples)
When General Leia Ogana was in space, dead, I whispered to my sister in the theater jokingly "watch she's gonna move now" but then when it happened I accidentally yelled "Come on are you kidding?"
The only adequate reaction on this. I, when I was in the cinema, was kinda wondering, why wheater I nor one of my friends or other audiences made a deep sigh or something in the way - or more...
Of all your videos I think this one can be labelled "pure gold" and it is one I will revisit in months and years to come. Thank you Critical Drinker, I wish I had the money to compensate you for all your hard work and clear analysis of current pop culture issues! Cheers from us here in Brisbane Australia!
"It's the writing equivalent of playing a videogame in Sandbox Mode" is the single best description of the whole 'Multiverse' shenanigan I've ever heard.
Yes, and playing a videogame in sandbox mode usually becomes very boring very fast especially if you personally cannot do very creative stuff like build things.
The only good examples I've ever seen of "Multiverse" were in Stargate SG-1, Star Trek TNG, Buffy and in the writings of Micheal Moorcock in his Eternal Champions, namely Elric of Melnibonè, Corum Jhaelen Irsei, Erekosë, Duke Dorian Hawkmoon von Köln, Ilian of Garathorm and a myriad of other incarnations of The Eternal Champion who exist in Moorcock's Multiverse. All of those multiverses where written with far superior skill than the tripe we are being handed these days and walk back or contradict that which came before.
This is especially evident in the Dr Strange movie when they kill another universe's version of the Fantastic Four in an extremely uncharacteristic manner. They are completely acknowledging that there are no consequences so they can brutally kill what would otherwise be extremely unkillable characters.
I think the deeper underlying issue is tabuization of death itself. Loosing a favourite character can be painfull, and we cannot permit that, let alone the thought of a storry reminding us of a real life unplesantness, no no no....
This video is RIGHT ON. My other gripe is when an actor or actress plays a villain, but then blows up into a super popular celebrity, suddenly that villain becomes a "good guy" (a la Mystique or Harley) because their reps gotta protect the brand. So weak.
That's not weak. I think you're story telling is weak. So you're saying a once a villian always a villian. Same with once a hero always a hero. Bruh that's what you called weak right there and not creative lol.
9:56 hits the nail on the head in perfect clarity: nothing that happens carries any weight because it can all be undone whenever the writers feel like it.
"Buffy" handled this extremely well. A certain important character gets resurrected, but it's very clear that they are suffering through the rest of the series because of it and never become the same person after such a traumatic event.
Yeah great story. She came to in her coffin. She was taken away from heaven and Spike could tell. But then it clarifies why they could even bring her back. When Willow tried the same with Tara the spirit told her it worked before because Buddy died by mystical means, and Tara was killed by physical trauma. Such a good show!
Yes! I also like how they treat the resurrection not as a plot device, but an actual plot point which is a major part of the storyline rather than a way to get to the next part of the plot. They also do a good job, as you said, of exploring the effects of resurrection and the trauma which comes along with it instead of just being like “oh, hey, Buffy’s back now, and she hasn’t changed one bit! Let’s go and fight monsters now.”
Last of the Mohicans had the best death scene ever, when Uncas died to Magua, that was a powerful and emotional scene, but when Alice walked up and looked over the cliff, and then took her own life to be with Uncas, that had the tears rolling for sure. Coupled with the amazing score, and the old man gets his revenge later on, what a great scene.
That montage of characters that were soon to be dead in their respective movies... Were you trying to kick me in the chest? So many movies I need to go back and watch again, and actually feel things. Great video, Drinker.
I think that's what made Game of Thrones so sucessful, you knew that your fav character could die at any moment, not because they were seeking death but because they lived in a hostile world and their struggle felt real. Not that they should focus on realism but if they are willing to resurrect someone it should be treated as a great deal. It makes me remember the dialogue Q had with Picard about the Borg first encounter, Picard complained about the heads up of the Borg because some of his crew died. And Q reply yeah, it's not safe out here. Implying there are things you cannot control, and you cannot have exploration without risk which was what they were ignoring.
'I think that's what made Game of Thrones so successful"... and then Jon returned from death.... and Arya can't even die (because plot armour). But yeah, it did make first few seasons great (among other things), and the change in writing made last few seasons even worse, because you knew there were characters that simple couldn't die: you can throw 1000000 zombies at them and they still survive.
@@bdleo300 There is a lot to be improved as the show ends, Jon's resurrection isn't the worst handlement, but it could have been built better and handled with better care with several other things. I remember how excited I was with the Night King but it was rather underwhelming how they dealt with the threat built throughout the seasons. And if it was as consistent as earlier seasons I would have liked it more.
@@bdleo300 Arya didn't have plot armor. She had PLOT BANDAGES, because in Season 5 she got GUTTED by the Waif and she's fine in the next episode when the actress who was her target patches her up with some cloth.
Honestly, I feel Star Wars is the most egregious offender of this. Things that have killed characters in the past, such as being stabbed by a lightsaber, are now mild inconveniences at best. So it makes battles with the weapons have substantially less stakes. And everyone except rando's who we barely knew, are all covered in plot armor.
Only good resurrection was Maul's, whose character was expanded, done justice, and respectfully ended in a poetic manner. It wasn't too unbelievable for me that Maul was so hateful he could use the force to barely cling to life, just because he hated Obi Wan so much.
In the OG and the Prequels if lightsabers were drawn someone would either die or loose a limb 95% of the time. Now it's 5% of the time. Say what you will about George Lucas's writing but he understands tension and payoff for audience expectations.
@@AcidifiedMammoth Meh, it was still dumb. They could have just done the same with a character who wasn't killed. The whole force healing and force life thing was just as bad of a decision honestly. Not an explanation, just another "Then why didn't everyone do that?" moment. Part of the downfall of star wars was too much space magic conveniently covering up for bad writing. In their defense however.....it was done as well as you could possibly do it.
I think the worst thing about the Palpatine return wasn't even that bringing him back was dumb and lazy and completely unnecessary. It's that doing so completely undid the entire story arc of the OT and prequels. The central point of those six movies was the fall and redemption of the Skywalker father/son duo, and defeating Palpatine once and for all was the central conflict of the entire storyline. To first turn Luke and Han into bumbling oafs who ran from responsibility (thus undoing their entire character arcs) was awful enough; to then rip up and throw out the entire resolved success of the original movies was beyond the pale. Disney missed the easiest layup in cinematic history. All they had to do was leave the resolved plot alone, give us a warm & fuzzy handoff to the new cast, and then throw them into a big new adventure that could be as wild and crazy and different as they wanted - so long as it left the resolved good feelings about the beloved characters alone. But somehow, they found the one and only way to screw everything up and doubled and tripled down on it, turning Star Wars from a cultural phenomenon into just another who-cares sideshow. How slapped-together fan fiction from people who dislike Star Wars was considered the right approach by anyone who likes success or money will baffle me to the end.
Beautifully said. I feel that most former fans of Star Wars, including current content creators that still trash it (deservedly so), nonchalantly forget (or maybe overlook) that in fact THE biggest tragedy AND travesty of the fucking sequels WAS bringing back Palpatine--precisely because it invalidated the entire fucking series--as in, the movies that actually made Star Wars, Star Wars. The nexus of it all, if you will. Yes, we can squabble about which sequel movie was individually worse, and I know content creators on here believe it was the Last Jedi. Nope. Objectively, subjectively, on both a micro and macro scale, the worst movie is and will always remain Rise of Palpatine (NOT a typo). Honestly, f*ck Disney Star Wars. F*ck them to the moon and back and then back around to the moon for what they did to the Skywalker family. I'll never forgive them, even if they do eventually decide to erase the sequel trilogy as canon (which they won't).
@@muznick It certainly does seem that way. But it could have easily been done in a way that felt good. Just have Rey - preferably a competently-written version of Rey, this time as an actual character with a backstory, motivation, development, and actual struggle of any kind whatsoever - succeeding the old guard to handle a new threat, not doing everything over because the old heroes screwed up. How anyone didn't raise alarm bells over someone as awful as Kennedy choosing this direction is incredible.
Thank you! I've been telling my friends for years now that multiverses are a stupid idea. It's the ultimate "we're creatively bankrupt, so here's the appearance of complexity and depth that's actually just a paper-thin illusion."
the frustrating thing about avatar 2 is that bringing the bad guys back from the dead could have been really interesting if they really got into the cosmic horror of having your mind forced into a member of a species you were supposed to exterminate and under orders to go ahead and continue with said extermination. Those could have been some very entertaining villains if they'd had more than a few throw away lines about how fucked up and bleak their own situation is.
But self hatred is too close to the s word that nobody can utter anymore because somehow just saying it causes people to do it Easier to avoid negative PR and distract audiences for 90mins with pointless VFX and drama and enough brief intermissions of "plot" to link one dumb set piece to the next
This was what I was thinking. I watched the first one a day before I watched the second one to get myself up to speed. I’m surprised that Quaritch adapted to being a Na’Vi that easily. I mean, was the most brutal and strongest, sure. But I’m even more surprised he didn’t have some kind of sliver of any existential crisis, self-hatred or mental breakdowns. The rest of his New Na’vi team too.
Plus there is the “it was all a dream”. You see the characters planning an outrageous heist, attack or stunt. They go ahead with it, starts off well but then it goes terribly wrong and characters die. Then the film snaps back to the main character and it all turns out to be them thinking about what might happen.
I know this video is about recent Hollywood movies, not ancient TV series, but I'm still surprised the Drinker didn't mention the mother of all crazy resurrections: Bobby in Dallas. Where they basically erased an entire season, saying it was just a dream, to bring back a popular character.
There are only TWO pieces of media that has made "IT WAS ALL A DREAM" work positively: Super Mario 2, and Link's Awakening. Link's Awakening being better written than the majority of modern writing as well. Plus you get to see Wart twice, and jam out with him.
one thing to consider about the difference between spocks death in star trek 2 and kirks death in nuTrek is also, that there was a completly different audience expectation. When Spock died in star trek 2, Leonard Nemoy had basically just agreed to come back for that movie to give his character a good send-off, and this was making the audience truly believe they were seeing the final moments of that character (Spock just got brought back because the movie was so good that Leonard Nemoy agreed to bring the character back). Meanwhile, when Kirk died in nuTrek, no one in the audience really believed that death would stick, and having it undone just minutes later made the whole thing come as as particulary cheap. Essentially, spocks death in old trek felt real, because in some sense it was.
I still chuckle over Ashoka falling off a hundred foot cliff, her body being swept out to sea and not located for an extended period of time and suffering no ill effects. She's basically Wile E. Coyote from the Roadrunner cartoon.
The death of consequence. And I hate the multi-verse stuff that’s going on right now, because it completely takes away any sort of consequence that comes your way. Well put together
This particular thing is the one that's really been getting to me recently. It's that a character's story is never over because they never either die or go through an arc that irreparably removes them from the story. Part of what makes characters so fulfilling or sad is seeing them go, it's seeing the *conclusion* to everything we've seen them do in life. They'll no longer be able to fight alongside our other characters, see them win, be there for them when they fail. They did what they could, and now they're gone. But now, *no one's ever really gone*
I cried at the end of Terminator 2 because the MACHINE that learned the value of human life and protecting someone he 'cared' about, that John also saw as a Father, was a very touching moment. I appreciated that in Terminator 3 it was a new machine and the humorous moments that it brought with a different Terminator, who could potentially learn the same values that the one in T2 did. But would never be that cool, of course. I remember seeing that movie while living in Japan, the movie had Japanese subtitles but english audio. So I enjoyed it quite a bit, it had some really good action for the big screen.. but it was a bit much tbh. By that point I was getting worn out. I liked the new idea for Terminator: Salvation, but it seemed no one else did. I did love how they tried to make everything fit into the story, and the world was dark and dreary and depressing. But new ideas did not work so they went back to recycling the same stories.
Is Salvation the one that took place in the apocalyptic future with young Reese and older John? I remember liking that one because John struck up a friendship with the father he never knew and had to send him back in time, knowing he would die, in order to preserve the timeline that led to a human resistance. I was also pretty young when I watched it, but I liked it.
The look of absolute loathing and pain on Oscar Isaac's face as he said 'Somehow Palpatine returned' tells me just how much none of those actors wanted to be there
"Somehow Palpatine returned" will remain the absolute worst written line in cinematic history and no one can tell me otherwise
Every time I hear that quote I have to laugh at how absurd it is
how anyone buys into that is beyond me too. really hate that film
And to think they had a perfectly good and reasonable explination that already existed in Legends and they chose not to use it. Hell they could have just use Legends kept it Canon and made a far better set of movies.
what's more awkward is in the extended universe they dealt with a similar story path for palpatine and did it better but they couldn't do it like that in the movies because palpatine returning wasn't a plan from the start like i swear Ian McDiarmid said in a interview he was asked to do the last movie a year before it released and Disney changed way to much for it to work like the sequel trilogy was handled so unbelievably badly i honestly think one of these people was scarred by star wars as a kid or something and wanted revenge because the idea anyone could mess up that badly is hysterically terrifying.
also side note i think the real issue issue with multiverse's in cinema compared to comics or games/animated series is that you do not get the same depth of story in movies these days as other media because it's got to be bigger and flashier so not only can people not die but also with things like a multiverse or time travel you need a lot of finesse to make it not completely break the stakes of things like marvel's solution is if you mess with stuff too much the living tribunal smacks you into nonexistence or worse and with say dc comics they have the presence and other multiversal beings that serve the same role as the tribunal the issue is with marvel and many other movie franchises that use the multiverse card literally none of these movies or tv shows introduce the reason time travel and the multiverse don't break everything and destroy consequence a good example is the flash tv series which at the start did it's best to explain why time travel didn't constantly happen and ruin reality or like stargate which touched on it and explained why it doesn't happen but you get a lot of studios who want to use these plot systems as quick fixes or as the next big thing without actually having the things that make it semi plausible to not ruin everything in their source material.
I don’t know-Pearl Harbor’s “I think World War Two just started!” Is right up there, considering WW2 had been going on for over two years by that point.
Remember when stories were allowed to END?
Not now. With the MCU being the biggest thing in the history of Hollywood, they have to copy everything from comics. Even the worst things about comics like death being a meaningless marketing stunt.
Comic book heroes and villains die and come back to life all the time. No one is forever dead in a comic so why would they be forever dead in a comic book movie? We are NOT talking high cinema, we are talking Marvel, I doubt the spelling in the scripts are given much thought.
Are you crazy or something? If it isn't a franchise with prequels, sequels, spin-offs, tie-ins and multimedial presence it isn't worth doing. Or something.
People demand more, and like a parent giving into a child's fit, modern Hollywood gives 'em what they want.
It's like when I saw a question, "What book series did you wish would never end?" A lot of people said Harry Potter or LOTR, but I had to wonder, why did they want Harry never to defeat Voldemort? Why did they never want Sam and Frodo to destroy the ring? I couldn't think of any more where I didn't want it to end.
Nope, now shut up and take my money for the next serving of recycled sludge
It’s surprising that death is even considered a possibility in storytelling these days, given that modern protagonists have plot armour thicker than the writer’s skulls
Ha, that's really funny. I'm going to use that one.
CHARACTERS DON'T STAY DEAD AT ALL
I've noticed that often if I really like a character, if I also see myself in them, they will be humiliated and then killed off, permanently dead. Clearly the writers personally dislike people like me.
In MCU and DCU defense, they're based on comics, and no one is ever allowed to die in comics. That's just staying true to their origins.
Unless of course your Uncle Ben or Batman parents.
I love that the entire video ended on the shot of Elysium’s fields in “Gladiator”; one of the most poignant stories of “embracing death with dignity” in cinema history.
“What we do in life echoes in eternity.”
Good Lord, let's hope it does.
We should be glad “the power of one, the power of two, the power of many” is only on Disney+ and not in the cinemas… or else it could easily take its place.
Strength and Honour
The irony of Gladiator 2 coming out and being shite
Some will call it “actions without consequences,” I call it “lazy writing”
The thing is in theory almost every Movie, Show or Book franchise based around the concept of good vs evil can last forever. Unless the concept of evil itself is defeated. If ppl are still supposedly capable of becoming bad in that universe. Than it makes since that inevitably their would eventually be another villain needing to be stoped someday…
But reviving old ones villains and extended storylines that are already ended with no sizable loose ends to explore really can hurt the franchise if done wrong.
i just call it bullshit.
I call it talentless Hollywood hecks
And the person that wrote it is on strike as we speak making demands for more of everything.
"When will you learn? When will you learn? THAT YOUR ACTIONS HAVE CONSEQUENCES"
-SammyClassicSonicFan
It used to be "dead men tell no tales" and it has devolved into "dead characters sell no tickets".
Which has resulted in dead characters walking, which is what this video was about
"dead men tell no tales..............until they stop being dead"
Doesn't sound as good
Tell that to George Romero, ha!
@@SammaclauseGamgee💯💯💯👍Exactly
Good thing Disney overcame all this by not letting characters die in the first place, even though they just got run through with a lightsaber. What a genius move.
only the women get that treatment with disney, all the male characters end up dead. disney can't write shit worth watching.
Bacta or something
Lightsaber was set to stun mode
@@Valen-mh9fh"The lightsaber was set to stun!"
"Sir, that woman was just _impaled."_
"Nope, she's fine. Just stunned!"
@Valen-mh9fh Ooooh! Well that finally makes some sense. Thank you, sir, you just saved Star Wars!
The closing shot of Maximus heading through the Elysian fields is a perfect example of how death drives home a storyline and culminates a character's journey. It's "Happily ever after" for the real world.
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Sure is! In year 2000 we all got sad and angry when he died to that asshole emperor stabing him... But stuff like that is what makes you feel for the characters, its not fair, its brutal, its honest, real and final. Same with braveheart and Ned stark.
@@KmodalThe way his body was carried away while the Emporer's body was ignore was also a great ending as well.
Now see prequel gladiator...lol
The concept of multiverse was utilized in comics to accomodate new art styles and costume renditions of new illustrators without having to erase the past versions. In movies, it's just used to plug plot holes.
at least Into the Spiderverse did it right.
In comics, there are also so many different storylines and arcs that they cannot all fit into a realistic timeline (no way Batman lived through his 100s of adventures without dying of old age before reaching the end), so a multiverse doesn't really affect the "standard operation" of the comic's premise all that much, whereas films tend not to exist in a timeless vacuum in quite the same way
Only the Spider verse films and Everything Everywhere All At Once have done justice to the multiverse concept.
@@sreenivaskamath4243 robot head disagrees
In order to plug plot holes, one must first have a plot.
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This is why The Critical Drinker has close to 2 million subscribers. He's the voice of every movie fan with a working brain. I find myself shouting every one of his points at my television set, repeatedly.
" I find myself shouting every one of his points at my television set, repeatedly."
I find myself giving up over all modern mainstream entertainment altogether. I think Black Mirror was the last show or movie I watched that had any sort of originality to it. But even Black mirror was only good until to Season 4 and the Bandersnatch special in 2018. Season 5 and 6 are crap.
It just annoys me that there are so many people who so gracefully consume dogshit media and try to castrate you for pointing out how bad it actually is.
I cannot wait for humanity to get over this evolutional hump in our intelligence. It needs to happen sooner rather than later.
precisely, he gets far too much hatred, it hurts to see other critics bash him, I'm among one of the few UA-cam film critics that always vehemently defends him
@@gooble69 I've given up on most modern media myself and I'm 19, in fact all I watched today was Bonanza & Fraggle Rock
@@Theosake nope.
I’ve been trying to write a book for a bit and one rule I’ve always held myself to is… Death is permanent
You need more rules than that... but it is a good one.
@@ryanhodge5770that’s just one of my many
@@ryanhodge5770 He said it's ONE rule. He didn't say it's his only one.
Here's my rule; Ellipses are only for sentence fragments or omitted words.
@@slashbash1347 If I may ask, what language do you write in?
Even if you crash your car in a snow storm and your number 1 fan rescues you and nurses you back to health?
One of the worst things about the Abrams Star Trek movies was we’re supposed to buy that Kirk and Spock have this close friendship without showing why. They go from antagonizing coworkers to Spock losing it at Kirk’s death. Where as when Spock dies in Star Trek II you completely understand Kirk’s heart wrenching grief at losing his friend because you’ve seen that friendship build in the Original Series.
uhura in love with spock!
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It's like people both overdo and underdo respect for the Star Trek Original Series. I'm a Star Wars fan, primarily, because I was a child when Voyager was airing, and I watched it with my dad, but Star Wars was just more fun for me. Watching the Original Series, I could appreciate what the essence of Star Trek was. I might like Next Generation, but I tried to watch some of it as a youngling, and it seemed very pretentious to me. I've gotten my bf to watch Farscape with me, so I'll probably be watching Next Generation with him. I really liked the OG Star Trek, though.
You missed the part when Nimoy Spock told Pine Kirk that they are supposed to be bffs
I think this is also another great example of the maturity of the writers. When I was young I never wanted a story to end and hated when a character died. As I matured I began to realize the importance and beauty of endings, both for stories and characters. It’s not just lazy writing, it’s childish at its core
You nailed it. One just has to look around the table of these “writers block” to fully understand why movies and television has gone to shyte? Nothing but 20 something know-it-alls who got the job through nepotism, and have absolutely ZERO life or love experience? They project their own politics, insecurities, biases and narcissism into these stories and characters, which is why the audience cannot connect. In Kathy Kennedys case, all stories must involve a brunette British Mary Sue, to show the men how’s its done!!!
Matured? Those mugheads don't know what that is, in fact I don't believe they're capable of ripe an avocado, even less to write anything resembling a intellectually able adult being.
does that mean we have a severe lack of decent, veteran writers?
Spot on, mate. I remember watching the Terminator die as a kid and wondering why they were so stupid as to kill the main character, unaware that death was precisely what gave the whole story its weight, and that that dramatic and complete closure would stay as one of the most fond movie memories for years to come.
As a kid you could have an adventure with your favourite action hero put him back in the box and do it all again the next day, that's fine for a four-year-old.
The sad thing is Flash Comics used to make a HUGE deal out of this: That you can't just go back in time to solve your problems, because it always causes far WORSE problems. It's why most time travel stories has the protagonists be guardians of the timeline, while the antagonists are the ones trying to use it to change things
I actually do remember in The Flash TV series on the CW (I only watched the first three seasons) that they actually did address that.
Just like back to the future.
So Reverse-Flash is the hero, and Flash is the anti-hero in the modern remake?
Neat. "We" are cheering for the badguys.
And people still can't understand how people actually fought FOR evil in the past, historically.
I'm always started when I have to interact with time cops. They can never tell you anything, but somehow they know you're involved with...something.
@@nobody8717 I've not seen the movie, but the story it's based on (The Flashpoint Paradox) was Flash learning that moral lesson. That he can't just time travel to save his mother who died when he was a kid.
Sure, he makes that mistake and it's the driving force of the movie, but that doesn't make him a villain. It's how he LEARNS that he mustn't mess with the timeline.
I remember watching the Star Wars scene where what's his name says "Somehow Palpatine returned" and thinking "Ah, so this is what creative bankruptcy looks like"
I don't really have a problem with bring him back... I have a problem with *how* they brought him back!
@@Xeorboomi agree, they set it up so that palpatine was obsessed with escaping death, the tale of darth plagueis and cloning technology. But god damn they fucked it up bigtime
@@rasmussolstrand5606The big reason why they didn’t go more into Palpatine’s revival is because they flat out didn’t plan on it. Rise of Skywalker was written entirely after The Last Jedi was already out, meaning there was no time to foreshadow anything. The entire sequel trilogy was written on the fly with no plans on what to do next.
@@rasmussolstrand5606 they did it better in Battlefront 2 with the robots
So i never saw the third movie. The Force Awakens was a pretty terrible movie, but I gave The Last Jedi a chance in theaters and that ended Star Wars for me. Is that really all the explanation given for his return?
This is one of the reason why I'm so grateful in how mature Stoick's death was in HTTYD, sure, they had a fakeout death in the first movie, but Hiccup had to pay a price for it, he didn't came out of the final battle untouched, he actually lost a limb, and in the sequel when his father died, he STAYED DEAD, his funeral was a turning point in the narrative and was taken serious
Those r my favorite animated movies EVER and they r already gonna remake it "with changes." For sure it's gonna be awful and woke as all get out. They r race-swapping Astrid! If the numbskull writers thought for 2 seconds, they would realize that a black girl in a Viking village only got there by dint of a raid and being made a slave, or the same happening to her ancestor! Not very "politically correct" is that?
Hiccup losing his leg hurt.
Stoick's death hurt.
Hiccup being mature enough to let Toothless go hurt. A lot. Don't screw with these movies! They r perfection!
@@beksc9209 I agree the HTTYD movies are fantastic. The franchise wasn't scared of bringing depth and emotion to their characters. The movies done something right if i cry every time i see Stoick die or Hiccup parting ways with Toothless or even getting hyped with the intro of HTTYD2. I will not touch the new remakes because its goanna ruin something so great. The HTTYD franchise is the second best animated trilogy to me, behind the Spider-verse films and closely followed by the first two Kung Fu panda movies.
Easily Dreamworks BEST WORK to this day and they still remain to be my favorite animated movies
Definitely, even though I didn't like some things about the 2nd and 3rd movie, I understood why they did it
(Hidden World is more whole movie theme, where 2 is just Stoick)
@@beksc9209ikr if they remake Shrek then I’m jumping off a balcony
“Somehow…palpatine returned” I walked out
Understandable
After TLJ you should never have come back. That was where you went wrong.
Blessed art thou. I wish I had.
i guarantee you did not, you sat there and watched that dogshit
Oscar Isaac tried his hardest to make the line work 😆
In the 90s there was a comic book company called Valiant Comics. They had a great tag line in there ads that said "Valiant comics, where dead characters stay dead." That is such a great tag line. It made you wonder who was going to die and you knew if they died they weren't coming back.
It's "their" and not "there" but yeah, that's a nifty slogan.
Can you recommend a series from Valiant Comics?
@@garretthintz4154I enjoyed Turok: Dinosaur Hunter, XO Manowar, and Magnus: Robot Fighter. I always thought valiant had the stories and image had the pretty pictures.
Magnus: Robot Fighter and XO Manowar were my favorites...
@@MrLind87my dude, what?
The bigger issue is that nothing is allowed to end. Stories go on and on until they are no longer profitable at which point they are put on ice until they feel enough time has passed for nostalgia to overcome the previous disappointment.
Well said.
It's not more about good art and stories, but profit of things you loved. Star Wars is dead to me.
stories that go on until they become threadbare, you can see through them, unable to move the viewers or generate tension or suspense because you know the main character will never fail, never die and will never learn or evolve.
This
It's part and parcel to any and all series from any media: tv, movie, novel or comic book. The whole point is that they don't end and you're just not supposed to think about it too much. Otherwise you're left thinking, hey, just how old is James Bond anyway? or Nancy Drew, or Batman.
As someone who's lost a lot of loved ones in their life, This particular episode hit hard, what it teaches me the most is that Hollywood does not understand the basic human condition.
You've said it all, mate. Sorry for your losses. May they be in Peace.
Moral of the Story:
If a hero/villain has an emotional/satisfying and impactful end to their character, and there's no point to continuing their stories
Do. Not. Bring. Them. Back.
But how about money?
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*Temptation Alert!*
Superman: says you
I think THE biggest fear a child has is losing their parents. It's the reason Mufasa's death was so tragic and, in my opinion, Littlefoot's mom was even worse in The Land Before Time.
As sad as these scenes were, they do the important job of making the audience confront uncomfortable things that go beyond the movie's story, it's part of the human experience and media helps people think about what events like that would do to you but in a healthy way.
I have no idea what children growing up on current media are learning...
Back when Disney knew that, even in children's storytelling, you needed a traumatic event to establish the goals and motivation for our protagonist and to get the audience invested in their journey. The death of Bambi's mom comes to mind as well. When he calls for her after those final gun shots, still makes me cry
@@achtungfox Bambi`s mom and Mufasa will return in another sequel, don`t you worry
Nah. Land Before Time was wayyyyy too traumatic. I tried to watch it with my niece, and I felt awful for even putting it on. It's an insanely cruel thing to show a child, and it's amazing how many films from that time were.
Watched Beethoven lately? Do you remember what the antagonist was doing? That's right, he was testing a new line of bullets on the heads of people's dogs. It shows you the dogs crying in cages while he explains he is going to shoot them all to test his bullets. They might not die, just be terribly injured.
Seriously, kids should never have been shown half the stuff we were. Coincided strangely with the introduction of SSRIs to teenagers who were shown all this stuff as children.
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@@peterc3262 So, you're saying there's a correlation between the amount of teens on antidepressants and the cartoons they watched as children? Reach much? Get a grip.
Yeah, I'm sure it had everything to do with children's cartoons and not drug companies trying to make a profit. Have you heard of the opioid epidemic?
I'm sorry the media you consumed as a child made you feel feelings other than, "Yay!" and "Cool!" you poor thing. Because empathy is bad, right?
Not many people remember the old Valiant Comics, but a literal tag line of theirs was "when our heroes die, they stay dead," superimposed over the grave of one of the Harbingers
I'm glad you included a couple scenes from Harry Potter, because as much as it's viewed as a kid's franchise, the deaths of the characters held massive weight, were treated with extreme respect in the story, and fans are still grieving for those characters all these years later.
I legit cried twice when Dobby died, while reading the book and watching the movie.
Agreed, the weight of deaths in Potter is one of its strongest elements and one of the major reasons so many people resonate with the series
Reading the books, I refused to believe that Dumbledore died; that it was some kind of a long con of his.
@@KJ-of6lf #MeToo
“No spell can awaken the dead, Harry.”
Goblet of Fire.
Rowling set the tone for that in the Philosopher’s/Sorcerer’s Stone & to her credit, held to it.
Modern entertainment has become saturday morning cartoons.
No stakes, no consequences, and by the end, everything is back to exactly how you started.
Bruh that's an insult to Saturday morning cartoons. XD
I blame Rick and Morty. It's either like responsible for this s*** or we can Morty is the ultimate parody of all crap
Saturday morning cartoons were awesome, how dare you compare them to this contemporary vomitous bullshit.
That is an insult to Saturday Morning Cartoons - they were often crafted with care and had a life lesson or proper message in them - modern entertainment is just... Soulless Shit
@@ProtoMarcusnot every stories need to have a deep message without it
*On a similar note* : Nobody actually dies or story ends anymore. Look at characters like Ahsoka, the creator literally couldn’t let her go so he introduced time travel to be used for the sole purpose of bringing her back.. the characters been alive to see the old republic, empire and new republic and met EVERY character.. it’s bordering on fan fiction.
NO I disagree. it IS fanfiction and Ahsoka is one of the worst Mary Sues of all time.
@@papalaz4444244 have you seen the clone wars?
I despise that shitty time travel bs.
But Ashoka didn't have to be put in a certain death situation. Plus, Filoni at least allows Ashoka to grow and learn.
@@papalaz4444244- How is she a Mary Sue who went from garbage to greatness over a decade? Explain.
Reminds me of the animated movie Justice League: Crisis on Infinite Earths, where Owlman plots to destroy the entire multiverse and everything in existence because nothing matters due to the sheer fact the multiverse exists in the first place. Interesting how that movie was actually pretty ahead of its time, giving the best criticism of the multiverse trope well before it became popular.
Reminds me of his last statement: "It doesn't matter"
"But death makes me uncomfortable, so let's not let characters die."
- modern movie makers and audiences cannot sit with uncomfortable truths.
I have to admit, I'm a part of that audience 😅 I remember I sat through most of HTTYD 2 and 3 and just hoped that Stoic would somehow return.
But his death was gutwrenching and well done because it was so sudden, yet had an enormous impact on the rest of the franchise.
It is a matter of self-loathing. The inability to deal with, get over, and/or move past It is a mental defect.
@@danielduncan6806 Thanks, I guess 😅
@@LillyLouI wasn't talking to you, dummy. See that @-thing there? That means I am talking to you. Otherwise; not.
@@LillyLouyou should watch older movies to learn how to process grief of a movie character. When your parent(s) die, most of the time it's up to you do deal with everything. There is no way to stop the time and deal with your loss. You need to to walk forward and learn to live it with.
I remember something that is told in the making-of DVD of the Legendary Edition of Halo 3. The composer, Marty O'Donnell, explains that the first version of the story had no real punch to it, and he managed to convince the team that they should kill Sargeant Johnson, an absolute fan favorite, in a last heroic scene near the end of the game. The sentence he used to explain his vision has been echoing inside my head since 2007:
"There are no heroic actions if they do not come with heroic consequences"
Such a brilliantly simple idea. If nothing is at stake, then you are no hero. You are just playing it safe.
This is why people dislike The last of Us Part II, they killed important characters without any pay off. Just to have a twist.
Crazy to me that the composer was the voice of narrative reason in that situation and not...I dunno, the writers?
I literally gasped at that scene. Broke my covenant killing heart.
I was not a fan of how he went down. However, damn does the scene stick and make the war against Covenant have meaning.
This is what Edge of Tomorrow and other movies with a loop story got right... Even though their main character keeps coming back to life, there is a huge stake involved, and a traumatic wearing down of the protagonist, seeing how no matter what they do, they can't escape their fate of resurrection when everybody they care about dies around them
Love this movie. Also great role of Emily 🙂
Yes. Like also in "altered carbon", the concept of immortality can be explored extremely deep and well. If it is not just used on the side to milk emotions for lack of better ideas.
It is funny how Tarantino actually perfected playing with the audience's feelings. But he does it with authentic ideas, while telling a great story. So also this emotional play can actually be done great.
The only thing that simply does not work is being cheap and bad as a writer. And I am pretty sure it is more the decision takers than the writers who go for all these bland, risk-reduced non-ideas.
Exactlyyy well put
I really like how in a lot of your clips you showed characters who were killed off and DID stay dead, for example Maximum from Gladiator; or, Sirius Black from Harry Potter. It really highlights the extent of the problem you raised, as it makes you think about how shit those movies would have been, if at the end of the film they actually did come back to life somehow. Character deaths are crucial for an interesting and compelling fictional story.
The visual novel series "Muv-Luv" manages to do this is the worst way possible.
It has a "everyone dies" ending and immediately follows it up with an equivalent of an "it was all a dream" ending right after.
And that's after it's ignored all the player choices you've been making and forcing you to cuck best girl for worst girl.
Gladiator has about four major character deaths. Pretty cool.
harry potter had that weird watch thing though that was just randomly forgotten forever
it was good enough to save a friggin chicken but not enough to save their friends and loved ones
@@roobertmaxity I’m pretty sure that watch gets confiscated. Plus, it works on the rules that the users aren’t seen. I’m pretty sure all other character deaths would have been impossible to prevent due them being caught.
@@roobertmaxity Classic "the writer forgot something that exists" mistake. I've seen it in many places in many IPs.
The death of Spock is one of the most moving scenes I've watched. First, a beloved character that I came to know as a kid watching reruns of the original series. What really made it powerful was Kirk's reaction. Always a man of action who always managed to pull it off lost a close friend and was completely devastated by that loss. Say what you will about William Shatner's acting style, he nailed that scene and made it very real.
Amen 🖖🏼
It worked because it was true, Nimoy didn't want to come back and we all knew it.
@@SongbirdstressWell, Nimoy did come back and I like how his character was brought back. He also did a cameo for the new Star Trek movie. It was Harrison Ford who really did not want to come back as Han Solo and wanted his character dead in the original trilogy.
Shatner is a bit OTT as an actor but he pulled that scene off perfectly.
@@Songbirdstress That's not actually true. He was in the midst of contract battles over his pay and it was miscommunicated to the director Nimoy might've wanted out. Which was why he came back later and directed a bunch of movies, like. He was enthusiastic about it. But he wasn't a diva and took Spock's death and played it out, he was a professional.
It's actually an interesting story, I recommend a YT channel called Rowan J. Coleman, he did a whole retrospective on Trek, delving into a lot of the behind the scenes history.
Not only the reserection of characters but the amazing ability to shrug off fatal wounds and bullets.
Like taking a lightsaber that has a heat of 20,000°F through the gut that you not only don't die from, but you're athletically running around and fighting without issue about a week later?
"Reserection" sounds like something sexual to me, haha.
@@DrCognitiveReva surviving it not only once, but twice coupled with the fact she was, like, ten or something when she got her first stab is the biggest bullshit if all these stabbings. Second to the Inquisitor who looked dead during the scenes after, not moving, breathing or blinking, or even groaning in pain.
Like in Black Widow where she just falls off a tall building and shrugs it off
@@RhysCallinan-wc9fi Clearly everyone in the galaxy is a droid with fake memories. Just root for the Vong.
My favorite thing about the Palpatine line is Oscar Isaac's hesitation before he says it
"Oh God do I really have to say this...? I'm getting paid millions to say this but do I REALLY have to say this?"
If you're under 35, you may not know that Palpatine was originally known as "The Emperor" until he was given a new name in the sucky prequels (which now look like masterpieces thanks to Disney).
@@Scripture-Man which adds another layer of WTF-ness because the characters in the sequels should be calling him The Emperor, NOT Palpatine. The sequels take place AFTER the original trilogy, during which he was known solely as The Emperor. If they're calling him Palpatine then why aren't they calling Vader "Anakin"?
@@Sarah_Hwhat does this even mean? palpatine is no longer an emperor in the sequel trilogy. people knew anakin as vader by that point. what logic are you even trying to apply? because people in the real world referred to palpatine as "the emperor" when the OT released, the people in the movies should refer to palpatine as "the emperor" in the new movie where he is no longer an emperor?
@@Sarah_H Yeah, good point!
@@phosphatepod the point is that the the people in the original trilogy and the new movies never knew him as "Palpatine", they only knew him as The Emperor. Anyone who knew him as Palpatine is gone by the time the sequel trilogy happens. So they should say "somehow, The Emperor returned". How people refer to him in real-life has no bearing on how he's referred to in the movies
Thank you for keeping the true meaning in the word critical. Your contribution to society is immeasurable.
Edge of Tomorrow did dying and time travel really well. What really helped was that they limited the time travel and reviving to a very limited set of rules.. You had to first get infected by the alien blood. If you die while infected by the alien blood you only go back to the start of the day. If you receive human blood you lose the powers. The movie does a good job of showing Tom Cruise learn from each of his deaths and use the information he learned from the future.
I know someone who likes that film because Tom Cruise dies a lot in it.
@@anubusx -- I really like the film because Emily Blunt is so damn perfect & infinitely dreamy.... ... ... *long sigh ... uh! Anyway; her only fault is her choice of husband -- I mean, John Krasinski & not me...?!! What the hell was she thinking?!
And I like how on top of it, they did it all with a really good sense of humor too. I love how many times Tom Cruise got killed in goofy ways only to respawn and go back to the start like a video game checkpoint😆 especially Emily shooting him dead repeatedly, hahahahaha.
Definitely a well done movie.
You gotta have rules. If anything can happen, nothing is interesting.
Because in Edge of Tomorrow, the reviving is a part of the problem the hero faces, rather than being a lazy solution for writers who cant come up with a new hero.
Dude, that final sequence of characters and their last moments was heart wrenchingly beautiful. 😢
One I think should be included was Church from Red vs Blue… probably one of the saddest character “deaths” that genuinely made me cry… I quote death because Burnie Burns just came back to properly end Red vs Blue
Oh that’s what that was? I didn’t realize. Explains the sudden stauffenburg at 9:22. What a chad
It hit me hard in "Legend" His depiction of isolation warping his mind, & the dog in the lab. Back when Will Smith was actually great in movies.
I think you meant "SAD"
lol you ppl watch so much drama that you're starting to confuse sadness with beauty which is the most opposite thing imaginable.
Isn’t there a reason that melancholy is associated with beauty?
The closing 'Over the Top' scene in the final episode of the WW 1 'Blackadder' series is truly one the most wrenching Death of established characters moments in TV history; an untuned piano tinkles softly, then fades to silence over a view of a vast field of blood-red poppies...
The final scene of Peter Weir's Gallipoli is much like this: one of the protagonists fails to get to the trenches in time to stop the charge and the men go over the top to all be cut down in swathes. The protagonist, Archie Hamilton, is left running alone with no rifle. He cops a burst of machine gun fire to the chest, the frame freezes. Then fades to black. Damn it's powerful.
I am not British, but I always felt like it was just a good way to end the series. BA and the crew technically die in every era they were in weren't they? This ending still had a great finish to it. imho, it was the most "modern" they could get with BA with it still being "funny" in the 1980s. Everything modern was still too fresh, they couldn't do WW2, or 'Nam, and the Falklands War was literally the year before. Cold War was still going super strong. They got as far as they could and ended the series on the highest note possible.
@@DamienDarksideI agree it was a good point to end the series, but surely they could have continued with something that had nothing to do with wars.
Intrestingly, it wouldn't even be an inconvenience to have another series of Blackadder because it was a different character in every series anyway. The only unexplained plot contrivance is when each Blackadder fathers an heir and with whom.
(Actually, that is at least plausible. The utterly implausible bit is how Baldrick ever fathers an heir) 😆
I don't think they die in one of the series. They all end up in Queen Lizzie's throne room after a night of drunken debauchery at the conclusion of that one.
Any time I'm writing something I have two rules for myself.
-No reviving the dead
-No time travel
(Unless the plot revolves around one of those)
Those are good points. Reviving can be tolerated but only if it's a part of worldbuilding and is used rather often by different characters.
What if the plot revolves around reviving the dead? Like The Sixth Day?
The Green Mile always stuck with me because it was such a powerful and emotional death. I remember even my dad tearing up, and that was so unlike him. Now a days, death means nothing in these bland films.
The Green Mile has got to be one of the best films ever made.
Till the last second I wanted to believe that they would find a way to save him. It was heartbreaking.
Probably one of, if not the best film that handles the theme of death.
Maybe you just needed some minutes to process it, or maybe it was the repercussion of his life in another's life.
Death is something that will happen to us all but modern safetyism represses it, covers everything in sugar and rainbows (literally with our food and our ideology) to present a world that seems to have no hardship which is a lie
Do you know what is really frustrating dear Drinker? That the narrative of your 10 minute video is far better in every way than what Hollywood can put out these days with their massive budgets. Even if I know the ending, it’s still better and more entertaining than any movie I’ve seen of late… Thanks for making movies suck even more :D
This ^^
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10:22 what do you mean that this year they're going to learn that the hardest way possible? Is there an upcoming movie that's going to mess up something for them that I'm not aware of? Thanks for any clarification.
@@JohnyPaprikas you already answered your own question
we had at least three multiverse related films released
Spiderverse, ant man, and the flash
and gues what spiderverse was the only success (because it was the only good film of the three) the rest where failures.
it proves that the multiverse as a concept is no longer relevant or fascinating anymore, and the studios learned it the hard way.
so yes drinker is right my dear friend
The preferred term nowadays is "alive-challenged" instead of "dead".
Thank you for your cooperation.
"Character who was resurrected", not "resurrected character" because we put the person first 🤡
Hahaha!
The term you are looking for is the "living impaired"
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" Do you wanna know more? " Starship Troopers.
At least Michelle Rodriguez declined to return to Avatar, “I was like, ‘You can’t do that - I died as a martyr,” she explained. “Jim, I came back in Resident Evil, I wasn’t supposed to. I came back in Machete, I wasn’t supposed to. I came back with Letty, I wasn’t supposed to. We can’t do a fourth, that would be overkill!'”
sadly i hated her character in Avatar. I like her as an actor. But i couldn't stand her character.
also why weren't she jailed for deserting active combat simply cus she "didn't sign up for this shit"
@@Softpaw1996 answer: Avatar was poorly written
@@SammaclauseGamgee indeed. It was visually impressive for its time. But the story was just a copy of other titles. And the plot was mediocre. And the cast...
also i never cared about the "blue monkeys" i was team human all the way, Earth is dying, and the "unobtanium" is a resource that helps back on earth.
@@Softpaw1996 I mean, I guess. I was team "try to work with the blue guys", but it literally just felt like Pocahontas Dances With Wolves in space due to how obvious the Native American stereotype was, and Cameron didn't help himself with the interviews. It was the drivel you're taught by disingenuous professors in college about American history, without any of the actual redemption arc that even those lies had.
The only character that could be endlessly resurrected without losing the intrigue and freshness was The Doctor. When the series had good writers, that is.
Thankfully RTD is coming back to write
@@gonkdroid8279 Even with Davies the series is dead.
@@gonkdroid8279 I'm not sure what RTD can do with the show at this point. It'll limp along for nostalgia reasons for a couple of years, but I think that's it, unless they can find a (believable) way of negating everything Chib and Whitaker did to the show.
@@terrystewart1973
At least the original Toymaker story had only one troublesome issue*, and that could be fixed by muffling the audio.
* The version of "Eenie Meenie Miney Moe" that references a man rather than a tiger or a rabbit.
"Sadly, I died . . . but I lived!" - Buck from Ice age 3, felt like this quote summarized this problem in modern movies.
Or like Alien: Resurrection,
"So I heard you, like, ran into these things before?"
"That's right"
"Wow, man. So, like, what did you do?"
"I died"
The biggest movie franchise i history, by the most wealthy powerful studio on earth…had an entire writers room say, “How do we explain to the audience how Palpatine returned?” And the answer of the highest paid writers ever was “…write down ‘somehow’”
"A good story for another time". - Maz Kanata, when asked how she came to possess Luke's original lightsaber. We never got that story.
Its not like we had lore from legends that explained it, but to use it would mean we must open the trash can where we put it in...
Just a bunch of overpaid egotistic wannabe writers looking down on their audience and thinking "They're just dumb f**ks anyway, they'll watch the movie and buy the merch' "
makes me sad
the issue was wanting to bring him back in the first place. Kylo Ren was set up perfectly to be the big bad in movie 3.
This is a bit disingenuous. In that scene, they surmised some of the ways the Sith may have learned to cheat death, but they weren't certain because Palpatine had done all these things in secret for years. They were just facing up to the fact that Palpatine had indeed returned, but not sure how, since they knew he died on the second death star.
I remember my sisters used to laugh about the shaky plot twists and return of dead characters in the tv soaps they watched, which they knew were bad. Compared to films today those soap stories stand up quite well
Bingo! One episode of Another World feels like Shakespeare, in comparison with all our wretched post-modern poppycock. Give me Wallingford and Cecilia any day.
"The end result is a kind of a creative inertia, like a car spinning its wheels in the mud, splattering sh*t everywhere without actually making any forward progress,"
That was so beautifully said haha. It's so true though. So much of everything out of Hollywood these days is just mindless crap
"spinning and splattering" is right. The spinning never ends and the splattering is acting like a barrier... keeping people with brains OUT of the cinema. Sad, because a bit of creativity and risk-taking could lead us to a movie golden age if anyone in the business could be persuaded to give a damn.
You hit the nail on the head about multiverses..it ruins tension, suspense and kills immersion and it’s just lazy writing. It murders the continuity for everyone involved but Hollywood just can’t seem to understand that at all…almost like they have no self awareness 🤔
All they care about is profit. In fact, our whole society is becoming that way, and it is profoundly disturbing.
The Star Trek episode "Mirror, Mirror" did it well, and then there were a million sucky uses of it.
Endgame and Spiderverse have been the only instances of the multiverse being used where it is enjoyable and makes some sense. This is primarily because each of these give themselves strong limitations resulting in several character's perma deaths.
@@devonmarr9872and have different villain
Eric July did a video about that too. Its the media equivalent of "its just a prank bro".
One thing you got to appreciate George Lucas is that in his Star Wars, when characters die they stay dead. And that their death had meaning.
I mean, sort of…he did have people come back as ghosts
Boba fett
Darth maul
Emperor
Except for Darth Maul. Put in the trailers to get butts in the seats and he's killed off in 5 minutes of screen time.
@@festo512Those resurrections were all Disney or Dave Filoni in Star Wars TCW series. None of those were Lucas’s idea.
Maul was sliced in half. Filoni should have left him alone but they wanted to capitalize on how popular he was as a “cool bad guy”
@@mannings.8474 it was george idea to bring back darth maul. Under lucas boba fett and emperor both came back in dark empire.
Absolutely agree, I really hate when a movie/tv show or a video game gives their audience a very dramatic scene about the death of a character but then voilà they are back like nothing happens. It really ruins all the feeling of when we were crying for their death
I remember watching Infinity War and having the thought that when Dr. Strange said, "It was the only way.", what he really meant was, "If we don't kill off half the cast, we won't be able to afford the sequel!"
My personal theory is that Strange saw LOTS of possible endings where they won but intentionally steered events toward savings ALMOST everyone (Loki still dead, Gamora from another universe and Nebula pulls a Teal'c-like "ours is the only reality of consequence" move) and killing all the bad guys but ALSO getting rid of a man he disliked. Respected, sure, but remember for all his moralicious hoity-toitiness he's still human.
How do you kill half of an infinite universe anyway? There's no half of infinity. Thanos reason for doing this didnt even make any sense, what he's saving them from overpopulation like his homeworld? Those movies are based on nonsense, people love em
I remember watching infinity war and being disgusted at the end of the movie because instead of having a bunch of meaningful and powerful sacrifices I instantly knew that the next movie would undue all of those deaths instantly negating any meaning that those deaths had. I had been a fan of the MCU up until that point. That is when I really tired of the MCU though. I still watched Endgame, and it played out more or less how I knew it would. So dissapointing.
@@alienspaceshamanthanos is a fanatic. They don't operate based on logic
My god, people here dont get this outstanding joke.
When I first watched the force awakens and witnessed Han Solo's death, it honestly shocked me and brought me to tears. It made me reflect on Han as a character and how much I loved him in the OT even though he wasn't my favorite favorite character.
On the flip side, even though I despise the sequel trilogy, I thought about when Luke said "No one is really gone." and took it to mean that our loved ones live on in our hearts and minds. Little did I realize that was Disney-code for "We're bringing back a long dead antagonist because we've run out of ideas!" Rise of Skywalker was so awful.
I spent the whole scene wondering if the movie was going to actually do the most trite and cliched thing possible by having Kylo Ren kill Han Solo. That it happened had no emotional impact for me, because I was already taken out of the story by wondering at how bad the writing would be.
No one is really gone [Palpatine laughs]... How did you manage to misread that?
woman moment
Fun fact: in the expanded universe, Chewbacca was the only original main character to die
@@scottydu81 1. No one reads Salvatore dude, Zahn and Stackpole are cannon.
2. It's not called "expanded universe" anymore, it's called "legends". Get with the times.
There was a line from The Sandman comics that has always stuck with me: “death gives life meaning.”
Because we (and fictional characters) can die it makes us valuable with the time we have and the things we do. Work, blood, sweat, tears, sacrifices mean something. But when you can just wave a hand and resurrect someone you bring them back but it has a price: the value of that life that was restored.
Yes and that's why I stopped reading Sandman at the natural conclusion of the arc. I understand they're still making comics but the story ended decades ago.
The Ancient One also said that
If you have like $1,000 worth of games installed on your PC via Steam and the hard drive crashes what do you do? You put a new HDD in your PC and restore the purchases. Are the games that you reinstalled now worth less than they were before?
@NaatClark what??
Gee how profound! I always thought Gaiman was an antiwhite hack but if he can write totally not generic trite like that then maybe I was wrong about him.
I know it was just a few seconds on the screen but I was really happy to see you referencing The Last of the Mohicans. The pain and loss displayed by Chingachgook after his son Uncas dies is a very powerful and moving experience for me no matter how many times I see it. Vengeance, no JUSTICE was served that day but it's all for not because with Uncas's death Chingachgook is now the Last of the Mohicans. Their line ends with him. I cannot think of a more powerful death in media besides maybe Bram Stoker's Dracula when Gary Oldman's (FLAWLESS) Dracula allows his reincarnated soulmate Mina/Elisabetha to drive the knife through his heart to end centuries of pain and lonelyness.
Modern movies suck!
As a young man the first movie my wife and I saw together was Braveheart and Muron's death really affected me for a good while, I think I may have mourned a little bit, but it strengthened my resolve to be both protector and provider for my beloved and in a small way made me a better man
Braveheart 2: Even Braver
I love how villains keep somehow returning, but heros can be killes off camera and it's perfectly fine
"Say....I've got an idea. Let's build a movie around a villain!"
She then creamed him with the electric toaster while vehemently spewing profanity.
I think the opposite is the trend these days ...
The Villains are the Hero's now it seems like. And not in an ironic anti-hero sort of way, I mean that main Hero characters today are literally written the way a movie villain would have been not that long ago. Self-absorbed, narcassistic, power hungry, views themselves as perfect and can do no wrong, knows everything and does everything well no matter how much training or anything.
Then they wonder why this crap bombs over and over and over again now.
Cough Frieza😷
You can bring a villain back, but you better think of a damn good reason for how they managed to crawl their way into the land of the living, and provide that context to the audience at some point in the story.
So many great death scenes in Harry Potter but the one that gets me the most is the death of Cedric and his father's mournful cry, "My Boy!"
That hit extra hard since I hadn't read the books and didn't know it was coming. He started bawling, Harry was in tatters, and the realization that no potion would cure him hit like a boulder. I hear his voice even now.
Yep, that cry was epic
That and Dobby's death (the book IMO much stronger) really touched me, especially the final quiet "Harry Potter" like that said everything there was for him to say. Both were handled super well.
Nothing is more painful than losing a beloved child.
Knife the elf with his own ear!
Ya that was sad.. and i doin’t like Harry Potter lol.. but the fact a kid died trying to protect another.. and doesn’t come back.. it’s a hard hit in a magical world.. when you have deathly hollows and friends..
Kinda like in a game.. and your revive doesn’t work.. omfg.. i reset 😂
When I think of some of my favorite movies where the main character dies in the end, it's that feeling of loss and wanting to see it end a different way so they survive, that sticks with you and plants a special place in your heart. When they are bought back to life for whatever reason, it cheapens the feelings and memories of the original...forever !!
The fact that you showed Tom Cruise's depiction of Claus von Stauffenberg while talking about Hollywood bringing back characters just because they can is such a brilliant way of stressing how irreverent they are towards even historical heroes with this issue.
Valkyrie sure was a pretty fantastic film.
@@theunknowncommenter725True. Although last time I watched it, I kept thinking Melisandre was going to take her top off.
Tom Cruise did the one movie where his character dieing over and over was a major part of the plot and it was brilliant: Edge of Tomorrow.
Claus wasn't a hero. Moustache man was.
@@justinkennedy3004 you're kidding right?
I'm soo glad you included "Last of the Mohicans" in the consequence footage. That ending is heavy.
I read a (sorta) essay that a friend of mine wrote, titled "The Importance of The End". In it, he talked about how important the end is to any journey/story and why it should remain "the end" once it is finished. To continue in any way, even through the excuse of a prequel or spin-off will only take away from the finality.
yeah, i think a problem of many stories is that people don't want them to end
Yea, I think that’s why a lot of my FAVORITE MOVIES that are in trilogies or multiple parts are the last ones because of that sense of finality.
**Cries in Black Widow**
@@jaythomas468 I think that sense of finality goes beyond just the current story itself coming to end, it's the finality of seeing this universe and cast of characters coming to an end.
Think in terms of Harry Potter, when those books were coming to an end or the movies. When those ended, it felt right and final. To do prequels or some continuation would take away from that. It's why I refuse to read that stage play. If I'm going back to the world of Harry Potter, it's though what I have already read or watched.
@@tjjordan4207
Definitely. It’s why even though I personally understand why a lot of people may rate certain movies HIGHER within multi-part stories, my personal favorites have always been like Return of the Jedi, The Dark Knight Rises, and Return of the King.
Outside of the absolutely bad ass entrance and line of “So tell me, what’s become of my ship?” from Barbossa’s return in POTC2, I completely agree.
At least it was established in the first movie that Barbossa's crew doesn't really vibe with the whole "death" thing. I can see being released from the curse via death as enough to explain him coming back.
Death is too adult for Disney, identity politics however, are not
Yet we all got traumatized by Bambi's mom and she still hasn't come back 😡
And grooming.
@@FragmentJack If you don't like being called groomers, stop grooming children then. That goofy ass "I label thee conservative, therefore I win and you're the bad guy!" only works in your heads and in your echo chambers, not in the real world.
Definite for modern Disney, not so much for classic and renaissance Disney. It's interesting how the classic villains often died in unique/memorable/poetic/and in Frollo's case, divinely justified manners.
Now it is. They used to Revel in death. Most parental figures in their classic films are dead.
The best thing a story can do is end. The finality of a good ending (i.e., one that wraps up prominent story beats satisfactorily) means it has said all it needs to. It makes the characters more defined and the themes more poignant if there's not a crimson "but" forever hanging off the end of a story, forever threatening to change what has already happened. I just wish more media would simply end.
How can you ask a story to end when there is money to be made.
Great comment. And this is exactly why I'm ending my book series at two installments. I don't want to prolong the story for the sake of a trilogy, as cool as it would be to make.
Founding out Palpatine was coming back had me laughing hysterically for almost 3 minutes straight in a call with my friends
I watched that shit in the movie theater and was pissed for the rest of the movie (but what was I expecting? that entire last trilogy sucked dick)
On the point of nobody staying dead, I love how hard the Fast and Furious movies bent over backwards to try and keep Han around, even after he was decisively killed off in Tokyo Drift.
First they had to set the next bunch of movies before Tokyo Drift for some reason, just so they could plausibly have Han as part of the 'family (TM)'. Then they tried to retcon his death by car accident in Tokyo Drift so that it was actually a deliberate assassination by Deckard Shaw, just so they could introduce a new villain into the franchise and tie in the events of Tokyo Drift which was originally supposed to be a standalone film with nothing to do with the original F&F films. And then eventually they just said screw it and brought Han back anyway, complete with a weaksauce 'oh he actually crawled out of his car and escaped' cop-out explanation for how he survived the original car crash. A car crash in the middle of Tokyo, with thousands of witnesses around, who all saw a car get T-boned, flipped over, land on its roof and EXPLODE INTO FLAMES, but somehow missed seeing Han crawl from the wreckage and escape.
I'm almost surprised they haven't found a way to bring back Brian O'Connor yet. You know they'll try.
oh don't worry ...
Now that they've successfully used the tech in the Starwars movies we will be seeing more dead actors reprising their roles.
It's going to be like that scene in 'Running Man' where they casually replace actors and show the audience a fake fight where the hero dies.
I think it was one of the reasons for the recent writers/actors strike ... (although that was more about them wanting more money when Hollywood does that and less about artistic integrity)
(btw : CD Project Red are using 'AI' tech to add the voice of a dead voice actor to the expansion for 'Cyberpunk 2077' as the poor guy had died after the initial game was made ... )
I don’t know if you’ve seen the clip of the end of the most recent movie. But they got Paul Walkers brother to reprise Brian and bring him back
lol exactly my thoughts, Han must've been clothed in the same type of plot armor as Diesel's character when he literally just walked out of the wreckage of a crashed plane completely unscathed in F&F6
Han from F&F is an egregious one. He died in an accident in Tokyo Drift. It’s then retconned that he was killed intentionally by Jason Statham. 2 movies later he shows up eating chips like nothing ever happened, with zero explanation. Even for F&F it’s a whole new level of ridiculous.
It’s explained in either F9 or F10….the Han that “died” in Tokyo drift was a hologram….complete garbage excuse
Nothing ever happens to them. Paul Walker is the only one that can't be brought back.
@@A_UA-cam_Commenter Oh just wait...I would not be surprised if CGI Paul Walker appeared in the next movie.
I'm still wondering why after all the characters not dying in FF. Jessie hasn't come back.
They also pulled that shit with Lettie. I was so glad when she died; worst character in the franchise. But nope! Somehow Lettie returned!
"Like a car spinning its wheels in the mud splattering shit everywhere without actually making any forward progress." Such deep wisdom😂
But seriously this is the most terrifying video I've seen from you. I don't want the movie magic to die. I hate where the world's going with this
There is hope.. we are seeing things shift.. but we need to get rid of these activist and elites.. which they’re kinda doing a good job doing it to themselves with the strike.. they’re showing their true colours..
The more independents and people truly passionate back in charge we will see a renaissance.. and for the love of god i pray for comedy to return.. jfc.. you can’t be woke and funny…which is why nothing has been funny lately.- unless its online.
Keep a little hope…
Seeing the final death scene of "30 Days of Night" reminded me how my girlfriend and I both cried and we walked out of the cinema feeling melancholy but extremely happy that it ended with such great loss and simply wouldn't happen again. A one-off moment to savour like mortality truly is.
Have you watched Midnight Mass? I know it might sound like a random question, but I deeply recommend it if you liked 30 Days of Night and the way it handles death.
They come back in 31 Days of Night.
@@captainobvious2435it's a leap year?
"Fair and foul are near of kin,
And fair needs foul," I cried;
"My friend are gone, but that's a truth
Nor grave nor bed denied
Learned in bodily lowness
And in the heart's pride."
@@thac0twenty377 fine that'll be the title "31 Days of Night: The Leap Year" and everyone's still alive because it's in the script.
The "death scene" in Watchmen had me in shock, a breath of fresh air! Such a great scene..👌
This may be one of the best film analyses of a movie trend ever. Bravo, sir, bravo. Not only was it funny, but intellectually stimulating.
It wasn't hard to see this coming. I warned people about it on comics message boards about it a long time ago, and most people got mad at me. They thought I was just peevishly pissing on their parade. Now movies have done the same thing.
The montage of final moments for characters is wonderful. When I was a kid and Final Fantasy 7 came out, a friend of mine who had a Japanese copy of the game spoiled a character's death for me. It actually made me appreciate the time I had access to that character more, and I think more writers need to think in those terms. Appreciate what you have for the time it's there, not try to get a Gameshark to hack the game's code and ruin a bunch of save files because you can't let go and its your own fault you named a character after your crush and feel like you need her there for the final battle.
Metaphorically speaking, of course.
Aww, watching Sephiroth drop that blade down on Cutesy Pink Dress was one of the most dramatic deaths in video game history.
yeah pinky dress death gets me every time
That character will 100% survive in the remake. After all, it's a different timeline , games are getting just as bad as the movies when it comes to writing.
And in FF VII it is different (permanent) to those JRPG deaths you usually get: Favourite character X dies. Party all sad. But then new character Y turns up and is a carbon copy of character X (see Legend of Dragoon Lavitz/Albert and The Last Remnant Emma/Emmy for examples)
That sounds oddly specific
When General Leia Ogana was in space, dead, I whispered to my sister in the theater jokingly "watch she's gonna move now" but then when it happened I accidentally yelled "Come on are you kidding?"
The only adequate reaction on this. I, when I was in the cinema, was kinda wondering, why wheater I nor one of my friends or other audiences made a deep sigh or something in the way - or more...
Nahhhh, this is fucking hilarious. 😭
Careful what you wish for
Watching it in the cinema I burst out laughing, had a few people turn their heads and look at me, one other guy a few rows down started laughing too.
Of all your videos I think this one can be labelled "pure gold" and it is one I will revisit in months and years to come. Thank you Critical Drinker, I wish I had the money to compensate you for all your hard work and clear analysis of current pop culture issues!
Cheers from us here in Brisbane Australia!
"It's the writing equivalent of playing a videogame in Sandbox Mode" is the single best description of the whole 'Multiverse' shenanigan I've ever heard.
Yes, and playing a videogame in sandbox mode usually becomes very boring very fast especially if you personally cannot do very creative stuff like build things.
Sandbox is fun. But I don’t want that for every game.
FS2020 is the biggest sandbox I ever played. But the world is not enough.
The only good examples I've ever seen of "Multiverse" were in Stargate SG-1, Star Trek TNG, Buffy and in the writings of Micheal Moorcock in his Eternal Champions, namely Elric of Melnibonè, Corum Jhaelen Irsei, Erekosë, Duke Dorian Hawkmoon von Köln, Ilian of Garathorm and a myriad of other incarnations of The Eternal Champion who exist in Moorcock's Multiverse. All of those multiverses where written with far superior skill than the tripe we are being handed these days and walk back or contradict that which came before.
This is especially evident in the Dr Strange movie when they kill another universe's version of the Fantastic Four in an extremely uncharacteristic manner. They are completely acknowledging that there are no consequences so they can brutally kill what would otherwise be extremely unkillable characters.
I think the deeper underlying issue is tabuization of death itself. Loosing a favourite character can be painfull, and we cannot permit that, let alone the thought of a storry reminding us of a real life unplesantness, no no no....
even a kid's show like Fraggle Rock had the balls to kill off a character on screen with sensitivity and maturity, god I love fraggle rock.
I think it's more marketing execs looking to milk fan favourite characters forever than it is turning death into a taboo of some sort.
@@Sentrygun84I agree but both are definitely causes
God forbid you traumatize those people..
@@DubaiShortsChannel reality is trauma to SJWs🤣
You've perfectly articulated everything I've been telling people about the sorry state of television and cinema over the past 10 years 😥
I loved the part in Oppenheimer where all of the dead Japanese people come back thanks to Einsteins time travel
This video is RIGHT ON. My other gripe is when an actor or actress plays a villain, but then blows up into a super popular celebrity, suddenly that villain becomes a "good guy" (a la Mystique or Harley) because their reps gotta protect the brand. So weak.
Same with Loki... He turned so weak in the series, mushy and bland
Perfect example. @@acrylicgodoy
That trope is called Badass Decay.
That's not weak. I think you're story telling is weak. So you're saying a once a villian always a villian. Same with once a hero always a hero. Bruh that's what you called weak right there and not creative lol.
Harley Quinn has tried to go straight in several iterations, both in comics and games.
9:56 hits the nail on the head in perfect clarity: nothing that happens carries any weight because it can all be undone whenever the writers feel like it.
amen
more like whenever the fans(cashgrab) feel like it
"Buffy" handled this extremely well. A certain important character gets resurrected, but it's very clear that they are suffering through the rest of the series because of it and never become the same person after such a traumatic event.
Buffy also teaches the lesson that if you're going to bring someone back from the dead, dig them up first.
@@earlofdoncaster5018 LMAO!!! Of all the comments I have ever seen in regards to the buffyverse this hands down was the best!
Yeah great story. She came to in her coffin. She was taken away from heaven and Spike could tell. But then it clarifies why they could even bring her back. When Willow tried the same with Tara the spirit told her it worked before because Buddy died by mystical means, and Tara was killed by physical trauma. Such a good show!
Flash Fried in a pillar of fire... I got better
Yes! I also like how they treat the resurrection not as a plot device, but an actual plot point which is a major part of the storyline rather than a way to get to the next part of the plot. They also do a good job, as you said, of exploring the effects of resurrection and the trauma which comes along with it instead of just being like “oh, hey, Buffy’s back now, and she hasn’t changed one bit! Let’s go and fight monsters now.”
"All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. Time to die"
Last of the Mohicans had the best death scene ever, when Uncas died to Magua, that was a powerful and emotional scene, but when Alice walked up and looked over the cliff, and then took her own life to be with Uncas, that had the tears rolling for sure. Coupled with the amazing score, and the old man gets his revenge later on, what a great scene.
Outstanding film they don't make them Like that anymore
Agree
They cut the scene with the giant trampoline.
I take it the film fixed some of Cooper's storytelling f*yay*-ups?
A beloved character’s death can make for some of the most memorable scenes in cinema history. Hollywood would do well to stand by them.
Like John Connor? Hehe
@@MaxLittleBuddy What do you mean? There hasn't been a Terminator movie since 1991, and John Connor survived in that movie.
@@MaxLittleBuddyNo, like Arnold's T800 at the end of Terminator 2 ...wiseass.
See literally one of the most iconic moments in cinema: Darth Vader redeeming himself and saving his son before dying in his arms.
Hollywood will not uphold any principle if it stands in the way of the mighty Dollar !
That montage of characters that were soon to be dead in their respective movies... Were you trying to kick me in the chest? So many movies I need to go back and watch again, and actually feel things. Great video, Drinker.
I recognize many but I would love to know more - which ones are there?
I can name a few. 300, Gladiator, The Green Mile, Braveheart, The Watchmen, The Lord of the Rings: Return of the King, I Am Legend.
Oblivion, Hachi: A dog’s tale, Valkyrie, The wrestler
I think that's what made Game of Thrones so sucessful, you knew that your fav character could die at any moment, not because they were seeking death but because they lived in a hostile world and their struggle felt real. Not that they should focus on realism but if they are willing to resurrect someone it should be treated as a great deal.
It makes me remember the dialogue Q had with Picard about the Borg first encounter, Picard complained about the heads up of the Borg because some of his crew died. And Q reply yeah, it's not safe out here. Implying there are things you cannot control, and you cannot have exploration without risk which was what they were ignoring.
'I think that's what made Game of Thrones so successful"... and then Jon returned from death.... and Arya can't even die (because plot armour). But yeah, it did make first few seasons great (among other things), and the change in writing made last few seasons even worse, because you knew there were characters that simple couldn't die: you can throw 1000000 zombies at them and they still survive.
@@bdleo300 There is a lot to be improved as the show ends, Jon's resurrection isn't the worst handlement, but it could have been built better and handled with better care with several other things.
I remember how excited I was with the Night King but it was rather underwhelming how they dealt with the threat built throughout the seasons. And if it was as consistent as earlier seasons I would have liked it more.
@@bdleo300 Arya didn't have plot armor. She had PLOT BANDAGES, because in Season 5 she got GUTTED by the Waif and she's fine in the next episode when the actress who was her target patches her up with some cloth.
Lord of the Rings when Amazon makes another sequel: "Somehow Sauron has returned"
And more powerful than ever! Now he has two rings!
Harry Potter 8 (or 9): somehow Voldemort returned, and so did Cedric.
They could instead bring back Melkor or Morgoth
You got me laughing out loud with this comment :D
Must be the will of Illuvitar lol.
Honestly, I feel Star Wars is the most egregious offender of this. Things that have killed characters in the past, such as being stabbed by a lightsaber, are now mild inconveniences at best. So it makes battles with the weapons have substantially less stakes. And everyone except rando's who we barely knew, are all covered in plot armor.
Agreed! Lightsaber duels used to be very suspenseful.
Only good resurrection was Maul's, whose character was expanded, done justice, and respectfully ended in a poetic manner. It wasn't too unbelievable for me that Maul was so hateful he could use the force to barely cling to life, just because he hated Obi Wan so much.
In the OG and the Prequels if lightsabers were drawn someone would either die or loose a limb 95% of the time. Now it's 5% of the time. Say what you will about George Lucas's writing but he understands tension and payoff for audience expectations.
Episode IV started it with Obi Wan... Just saying...
@@AcidifiedMammoth Meh, it was still dumb. They could have just done the same with a character who wasn't killed. The whole force healing and force life thing was just as bad of a decision honestly. Not an explanation, just another "Then why didn't everyone do that?" moment. Part of the downfall of star wars was too much space magic conveniently covering up for bad writing. In their defense however.....it was done as well as you could possibly do it.
I think the worst thing about the Palpatine return wasn't even that bringing him back was dumb and lazy and completely unnecessary. It's that doing so completely undid the entire story arc of the OT and prequels. The central point of those six movies was the fall and redemption of the Skywalker father/son duo, and defeating Palpatine once and for all was the central conflict of the entire storyline. To first turn Luke and Han into bumbling oafs who ran from responsibility (thus undoing their entire character arcs) was awful enough; to then rip up and throw out the entire resolved success of the original movies was beyond the pale.
Disney missed the easiest layup in cinematic history. All they had to do was leave the resolved plot alone, give us a warm & fuzzy handoff to the new cast, and then throw them into a big new adventure that could be as wild and crazy and different as they wanted - so long as it left the resolved good feelings about the beloved characters alone. But somehow, they found the one and only way to screw everything up and doubled and tripled down on it, turning Star Wars from a cultural phenomenon into just another who-cares sideshow. How slapped-together fan fiction from people who dislike Star Wars was considered the right approach by anyone who likes success or money will baffle me to the end.
They could reboot Unsolved Mysteries and dedicate an entire season to this question.
Beautifully said. I feel that most former fans of Star Wars, including current content creators that still trash it (deservedly so), nonchalantly forget (or maybe overlook) that in fact THE biggest tragedy AND travesty of the fucking sequels WAS bringing back Palpatine--precisely because it invalidated the entire fucking series--as in, the movies that actually made Star Wars, Star Wars. The nexus of it all, if you will. Yes, we can squabble about which sequel movie was individually worse, and I know content creators on here believe it was the Last Jedi. Nope. Objectively, subjectively, on both a micro and macro scale, the worst movie is and will always remain Rise of Palpatine (NOT a typo). Honestly, f*ck Disney Star Wars. F*ck them to the moon and back and then back around to the moon for what they did to the Skywalker family. I'll never forgive them, even if they do eventually decide to erase the sequel trilogy as canon (which they won't).
KK wanted to replace the originals with a proper savior: a woman. The force is female and all that nonsense.
@@muznick It certainly does seem that way. But it could have easily been done in a way that felt good. Just have Rey - preferably a competently-written version of Rey, this time as an actual character with a backstory, motivation, development, and actual struggle of any kind whatsoever - succeeding the old guard to handle a new threat, not doing everything over because the old heroes screwed up. How anyone didn't raise alarm bells over someone as awful as Kennedy choosing this direction is incredible.
@@gator7082 Well said, agreed.
Thank you! I've been telling my friends for years now that multiverses are a stupid idea. It's the ultimate "we're creatively bankrupt, so here's the appearance of complexity and depth that's actually just a paper-thin illusion."
In a sci-fi short story specifically exploring the concept is the only way multiverses work. "All the Myriad Ways" by Larry Niven is an example.
the frustrating thing about avatar 2 is that bringing the bad guys back from the dead could have been really interesting if they really got into the cosmic horror of having your mind forced into a member of a species you were supposed to exterminate and under orders to go ahead and continue with said extermination. Those could have been some very entertaining villains if they'd had more than a few throw away lines about how fucked up and bleak their own situation is.
But self hatred is too close to the s word that nobody can utter anymore because somehow just saying it causes people to do it
Easier to avoid negative PR and distract audiences for 90mins with pointless VFX and drama and enough brief intermissions of "plot" to link one dumb set piece to the next
Now I want to watch your version.
This was what I was thinking. I watched the first one a day before I watched the second one to get myself up to speed. I’m surprised that Quaritch adapted to being a Na’Vi that easily. I mean, was the most brutal and strongest, sure. But I’m even more surprised he didn’t have some kind of sliver of any existential crisis, self-hatred or mental breakdowns. The rest of his New Na’vi team too.
Robocop already did that, and better.
Heck, the same villain doesn't even die at the end of the second movie despite a brief window where it should have happened.
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Plus there is the “it was all a dream”. You see the characters planning an outrageous heist, attack or stunt. They go ahead with it, starts off well but then it goes terribly wrong and characters die. Then the film snaps back to the main character and it all turns out to be them thinking about what might happen.
Lol sounds like Twilight’s breaking dawn film (pt 2)
I know this video is about recent Hollywood movies, not ancient TV series, but I'm still surprised the Drinker didn't mention the mother of all crazy resurrections: Bobby in Dallas. Where they basically erased an entire season, saying it was just a dream, to bring back a popular character.
Ragnarok the series fucked everyone with this in the finale. It made absolutely no sense
JR? Who is JR?
There are only TWO pieces of media that has made "IT WAS ALL A DREAM" work positively:
Super Mario 2, and Link's Awakening.
Link's Awakening being better written than the majority of modern writing as well. Plus you get to see Wart twice, and jam out with him.
one thing to consider about the difference between spocks death in star trek 2 and kirks death in nuTrek is also, that there was a completly different audience expectation. When Spock died in star trek 2, Leonard Nemoy had basically just agreed to come back for that movie to give his character a good send-off, and this was making the audience truly believe they were seeing the final moments of that character (Spock just got brought back because the movie was so good that Leonard Nemoy agreed to bring the character back). Meanwhile, when Kirk died in nuTrek, no one in the audience really believed that death would stick, and having it undone just minutes later made the whole thing come as as particulary cheap. Essentially, spocks death in old trek felt real, because in some sense it was.
I still chuckle over Ashoka falling off a hundred foot cliff, her body being swept out to sea and not located for an extended period of time and suffering no ill effects. She's basically Wile E. Coyote from the Roadrunner cartoon.
Also getting stabbed and sliced in half is not deadly
TBH, if anyone could survive a ten story fall it would be a Jedi. Especially an alien one, as we have no real idea of how tough her species is.
The death of consequence. And I hate the multi-verse stuff that’s going on right now, because it completely takes away any sort of consequence that comes your way.
Well put together
This particular thing is the one that's really been getting to me recently. It's that a character's story is never over because they never either die or go through an arc that irreparably removes them from the story. Part of what makes characters so fulfilling or sad is seeing them go, it's seeing the *conclusion* to everything we've seen them do in life. They'll no longer be able to fight alongside our other characters, see them win, be there for them when they fail. They did what they could, and now they're gone. But now, *no one's ever really gone*
I cried at the end of Terminator 2 because the MACHINE that learned the value of human life and protecting someone he 'cared' about, that John also saw as a Father, was a very touching moment.
I appreciated that in Terminator 3 it was a new machine and the humorous moments that it brought with a different Terminator, who could potentially learn the same values that the one in T2 did. But would never be that cool, of course. I remember seeing that movie while living in Japan, the movie had Japanese subtitles but english audio. So I enjoyed it quite a bit, it had some really good action for the big screen.. but it was a bit much tbh. By that point I was getting worn out.
I liked the new idea for Terminator: Salvation, but it seemed no one else did. I did love how they tried to make everything fit into the story, and the world was dark and dreary and depressing. But new ideas did not work so they went back to recycling the same stories.
Is Salvation the one that took place in the apocalyptic future with young Reese and older John? I remember liking that one because John struck up a friendship with the father he never knew and had to send him back in time, knowing he would die, in order to preserve the timeline that led to a human resistance. I was also pretty young when I watched it, but I liked it.
The look of absolute loathing and pain on Oscar Isaac's face as he said 'Somehow Palpatine returned' tells me just how much none of those actors wanted to be there