ESI checks are a standard part of nearly every alliance's counterintelligence toolkit, Horde is the exception, which doesn't mandate them for all members. ESI checks before joining an alliance are valuable, filtering out low-effort or poorly crafted spies. While they may not catch all, other tools supplement this process. Weekly ESI checks aren't necessary; suspicions prompt further investigation, utilizing ESI alongside other factors like zkill or in-game observation. Perfect camouflage is rare, people are lazy and like to cut corners, and that's where the fine tooth combed search through someone's ESI is important. Joining an alliance entails mutual trust: they trust you're not a spy, and you trust them with your in-game information.
I used to recruit for a medium alliance. I'm wasn't about to start looking through people with 10+ years of assets. I don't think people realize how many pages of assets people have.
Ha-ha!!HA! HAHAHAHA! MUHAHAHAH! Look at Officer Dale ) Perfect spy :D He even not tryin' to camuflage to reach his goals! And he keeps joining-joining, joining and joining) Good video! Keep going !
Spys and awokers in eve are a pain for sure. I would actually hope that whatever corp i joined actually put in effort to check me out, video call if you want lol. I would feel safer then when out in caps on opsec things. I paused the video to read the replies on the discord, looked like they were outing you i think. Great videos Ami, going to watch them all. The work is very impressive. PS do brave and frat new bro vid pls if have time 😊
I ike that corp. i will tell you a secret, but dont tell it the CEO: "4S" Is the national emblem of the country, featuring a double-headed eagle with four shields. This symbol is known as the "Serbian double-headed eagle" or the "Serbian coat of arms," with the four shields representing historical regions of Serbia.
While I like your videos, my experience is different. While most spies get through the api checks, quite some spies still get caught as spies using the API. Even if it's not linked there are ways to catch spies like tracking where they move, fleets they join etc.
its pretty easy to get in, just takes a lot of working keeping them in and active. For Multiple different Alliance accounts Difficulty level Low level: "easy" just a F1 monkey Mid to high: "Hard" Sigs, blops caps extra Channel's Junior Fc High Dir and Above: extreme" Alot of work and time Go's into this being very active and helpful Most thing is needed Knowledge on how each Alliance Collects data.. ESI/AP Will usually catch low level spies very very Low
Hi! Another great video! API checks are absolutely useless because the methods listed in this video and because of the two following things: 1.) Most spying happens in real time with cloning discord servers. Alliance A. plant an agent into alliance B. The spy has clean records anyway so API check is totally useless. Spy is joining to corp and ally discord. The spy then give access to his DC account to a 3rd party (a bot). The bot now will clone every single fleet ping and information from that DC server to another DC server. The spy will not even have to do any suspicious thing at all just plays the game and get paid for being an agent. 2.) API checks are useless cause if sensitive information is leaked the agent is paid with RL money instead of ISK.... If the player wants isk than he can just buy plex and sell it on market without suspicion. API check is a relic of the past and totally useless like a windows firewall. It's still in use because of players who wants to feel important by overcomplicating the life in their own groups and because of the general sheep mentality. The best defense against spies is a compact and more active leadership.
Its easy like that: If nobody was willing to share their APIs, they'd just stop asking for it. No one would join. It's kind of amusing to see how folks are totally fine with getting themselves checked just to catch a flight somewhere in null.
I cracked up a bit when gobbins called his fleet 100 strangers. I know of half the people in goons fleets. Might be that goons have a high retention of players
I believe the average time players stay in an alliance/corporation is significantly higher inside Goons vs Horde, possibly due to Horde's basic corporation being free to all. When you go through the background checks, it seems that the willingness to stay in a corporation is greater. What you think?
They treat me very well, no influence. Very PvP-focused, clear, and well-structured. I like it. But tbh - the IT systems seem quite old, it feels like you're back in the early 90s. 😄 Missing standing fleet a bit, you know avoid that 1DQ losses...
Creating a storyboard in EVE and find a cool Topic is not easy. That's why you mostly see space battles on YT, but that's okay too and it's fun to watch
That is, of course, a very good question. I think with the larger alliances, it's about building trust, rising to management key positions, and then stealing the assets. That's btw what you read about in the newspapers. I believe alliances always have spies placed in other alliances, but they won't pay anything for it if you offer your service :-) But if you have a key role like as a leader, maybe they will :-) However, you can also just go as a spy into a 0.0 PVE System... You warp cloaked into a combat site where your corp mate do pve. He won't leave the system because you're in the same corp, means space is blue to him..🙂. Your main then jumps in and insta warp to tackle and kill your corp mate...its your loot. Most of the 0.0 pve ships are shiny :-) BTW: Before that, you are for sure in a fleet with your alt as a spy. Make sure your alt does stys cloaked
When you speak in your native tongue it sounds incredible as compared to the barbarous American English dialect. Makes me want to learn it, but I’m a US citizen, so my intellectual capacity is below average, and I’ll only know one language my whole life like most of my peers.
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb Most Americans are only required to take a small amount of their chosen foreign language in high school, around ages 14-18. Most of them don’t take it very seriously and barely pass it. As a 36 year old man now, I do not know a single person that can speak a second language fluently. Our school systems are failing in the US. I spoke to a German kid on EVE the other night that spoke English better than most Americans (and also sounded more intelligent), and he said that he was 14 years old. Our country is in the pits 😂
@@4tounces o wow !! Everything is mandatory for us. English is taught in kindergarten, and from the first grade in school. Then, in high school, we also add a second foreign language - Spanish, French, or Italian
null corps are only useful as targets - otherwise, they're a nuisance like cockroaches or fleas. however, love finding them in ones or twos away form their nests. would be healthier for the game were they not ccp's chosen few, but thanks to that preference, the game is a LOT roomier with a lot more empty systems...
Let me get this straight. So you made a big hoo-ha about PH requiring 'checks' to gain access to more of their space... yet you're now in goons don't they require these 'checks' as well?
Yes, they do. I received an invitation from the CEO of Goons. He asked me todo a honest goon review. That's why I'm here. There was no "check"..I was in less than a minute onboarded. But as you can see in the video, I would have normally been rejected :-) that are the goons HR ppl look at 5:30 🙂 After the review, I'll return back to low-sec... or horde or elsewhere, who knows.
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb Ah okay that makes sense then, considering you just shat on their rivals in the previous video. 😂 I've always been curious about the goon experience myself (would never join) but I think you should have done a blind review with them first to get some geniune coverage. Since of course they would want to treat you extra well now in contrast to their rivals. Low-sec is the way 🙂
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb 2 months 🤔 your answer was the same past month, we are in 2024.. dont draw manually. Update yourself to current times No me gusta que me tomen por boludo!
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb better than nothing, still lame ... I wanted to go hunt relic sites in the electric storm but the storm is in an area I can't go which is lame ... 2nd class citizen
Using a different account, email or IP address is useless. The API does not include anything related to those. The only thing you might leak is the IP address by visiting alliance services, but that would require co-operation between the alliances to notice the same address. Tye API checks are there to catch low hanging fruit. You don't manually audit, you use a program to see suspicious activity (e.g. deposit of isk from enemy faction)
When you register on the various forums of the Alliance websites, they track your IP address. Then you also have to provide your email address. If, like many people, your first and last name are part of your email address, they already have a lot of personal data.
"Using a different account, email or IP address is useless" It's pretty fascinating to see how easily people in the digital age are willing share their personal information.
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb I'm talking about your eve account email. It's a good point though, NEVER use your regular email for video games. It takes 2 minutes to create a gmail account. People get very upset in over games, so don't open your self up to doxxing.
@@gawwad4073 Sure, when even someone like Brisc Rubal (CEO of INIT) talks in The Meta Show about people sending eMails to his employer office regarding the game (see "The Meta Show S3 Ep25' at minute 3:53") it becomes clear that everyone should definitely create a own EVE eMail address and use a VPN IP.
its amazing how a new person to eve thinks they remotely understand how ESI and the spai network in eve works. all corps i have ever been in API check. but i am insome of the best corps in the game and u are a new player who doesnt understand the game. api checks arnt useless at all lol
discord clone servers? ugh lol wtf is that. also API does matter for letting toons in that will screw u over later by say .. lighting a cynos on ur fleet or blue reporting ur krabs @@Heimdarm2022
Thanks for issuing a correction, appreciated!
Of course, was very important to me. Four systems would have very very few ....
Same game, different opinions, but friendly and respectful. Well said, Gobbins! 👍👍
0:56 The correct hord map. Not every YT creator is willing to admit that he made a mistake ..... well done !!!
In my experience the best way to combat spys in your corp is to make sure they have more fun with you than who ever they came to spy from.
🥰
Reminds me of the Bob spy that was a director, than spied on goons, liked it more, burned Bob in exchange for a seat in goons.
ESI checks are a standard part of nearly every alliance's counterintelligence toolkit, Horde is the exception, which doesn't mandate them for all members. ESI checks before joining an alliance are valuable, filtering out low-effort or poorly crafted spies. While they may not catch all, other tools supplement this process.
Weekly ESI checks aren't necessary; suspicions prompt further investigation, utilizing ESI alongside other factors like zkill or in-game observation. Perfect camouflage is rare, people are lazy and like to cut corners, and that's where the fine tooth combed search through someone's ESI is important.
Joining an alliance entails mutual trust: they trust you're not a spy, and you trust them with your in-game information.
straight to the point.
I used to recruit for a medium alliance. I'm wasn't about to start looking through people with 10+ years of assets. I don't think people realize how many pages of assets people have.
I have done this....at one time I had over 160 accounts...time consuming and exhausting and screw Gobbins
Holy shit man. Need a life eh
Ha-ha!!HA! HAHAHAHA! MUHAHAHAH!
Look at Officer Dale ) Perfect spy :D He even not tryin' to camuflage to reach his goals! And he keeps joining-joining, joining and joining)
Good video! Keep going !
Spys and awokers in eve are a pain for sure. I would actually hope that whatever corp i joined actually put in effort to check me out, video call if you want lol. I would feel safer then when out in caps on opsec things. I paused the video to read the replies on the discord, looked like they were outing you i think. Great videos Ami, going to watch them all. The work is very impressive. PS do brave and frat new bro vid pls if have time 😊
Welcome to the Corp. Hard to believe that i started watching your videos a while back and now your in the same corp as me. :) o7
I ike that corp. i will tell you a secret, but dont tell it the CEO: "4S" Is the national emblem of the country, featuring a double-headed eagle with four shields. This symbol is known as the "Serbian double-headed eagle" or the "Serbian coat of arms," with the four shields representing historical regions of Serbia.
glad you're in goons! hope you're having fun so far. @@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb
keep up the good work its fun to watch your videos !
My favorite EVE ONLINE video! Great look at how versatile this game is for playstyle!
it is :-) thanks for watching.
I saw you in a fleet in a streamers video :)
There are some cool streamers out there...I like the ones that don't cover the entire screen the most, and you can see what's going on
While I like your videos, my experience is different. While most spies get through the api checks, quite some spies still get caught as spies using the API. Even if it's not linked there are ways to catch spies like tracking where they move, fleets they join etc.
ESI/API checks do catch wannabe spies all the time. You forget people are lazy, and they don't do all these steps.
Enrertainement, newb friendly info and lotta pew pew. Love your content.
thank you 🙂
Deine Videos sind einfach gut, Danke dafür
its pretty easy to get in, just takes a lot of working keeping them in and active.
For Multiple different Alliance accounts
Difficulty level
Low level: "easy" just a F1 monkey
Mid to high: "Hard" Sigs, blops caps extra Channel's Junior Fc
High Dir and Above: extreme" Alot of work and time Go's into this being very active and helpful
Most thing is needed Knowledge on how each Alliance Collects data..
ESI/AP Will usually catch low level spies very very Low
Thank you so much for the great eve-content!
yooo new video im hyped
Hi! Another great video! API checks are absolutely useless because the methods listed in this video and because of the two following things:
1.) Most spying happens in real time with cloning discord servers. Alliance A. plant an agent into alliance B. The spy has clean records anyway so API check is totally useless. Spy is joining to corp and ally discord. The spy then give access to his DC account to a 3rd party (a bot). The bot now will clone every single fleet ping and information from that DC server to another DC server. The spy will not even have to do any suspicious thing at all just plays the game and get paid for being an agent.
2.) API checks are useless cause if sensitive information is leaked the agent is paid with RL money instead of ISK.... If the player wants isk than he can just buy plex and sell it on market without suspicion.
API check is a relic of the past and totally useless like a windows firewall. It's still in use because of players who wants to feel important by overcomplicating the life in their own groups and because of the general sheep mentality. The best defense against spies is a compact and more active leadership.
Give me ur api I wana read ur mails boomer
🎉 yes
thanks for that feedback...and of cource for watching
Its easy like that: If nobody was willing to share their APIs, they'd just stop asking for it. No one would join. It's kind of amusing to see how folks are totally fine with getting themselves checked just to catch a flight somewhere in null.
API is valid lol
love the pvp vids making want to try and get a first kill and have a navy bru
Please make sure that you add some extra DPS if you use my hull taking fitting. 230k EHP is nice vut you need a bit more dpe output.
I cracked up a bit when gobbins called his fleet 100 strangers. I know of half the people in goons fleets. Might be that goons have a high retention of players
I believe the average time players stay in an alliance/corporation is significantly higher inside Goons vs Horde, possibly due to Horde's basic corporation being free to all. When you go through the background checks, it seems that the willingness to stay in a corporation is greater. What you think?
waaaaaaaait... i saw u in trade chat talking about this video 3 days ago
you mean in the "help chat" right? Yes. If you doing a research, for sure you need to ask some experts for the bigger picture and feedback.
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb könnte auch sein :)
@@mrgp3942 ja genau...es waren so viele "erschrocken" über die Fragen 🙂
You might as well go all the way then and call them Pandemische Horde or would that be Pandemie Horde?:-)
hahaha...ich glaube ersteres 🙂
😮 But i see the deathstar in the video. There will be more 00 vids coming soon??? 🎉🎉😂😂❤
who knows who knows :-)
YES !
how are you liking goons so far?
They treat me very well, no influence. Very PvP-focused, clear, and well-structured. I like it. But tbh - the IT systems seem quite old, it feels like you're back in the early 90s. 😄 Missing standing fleet a bit, you know avoid that 1DQ losses...
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb join karmafleet standing, that is the delve standing fleet
@@NachoLopezba ohhh need to check that.
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb Goon auth is outdated af but it works.
camouflage is just basic mathematics
Enjoy the dipping into other game play styles. Keep it up
Creating a storyboard in EVE and find a cool Topic is not easy. That's why you mostly see space battles on YT, but that's okay too and it's fun to watch
But.... how to make money with that playstyle?
Do Goons pay for Horde intel and Horde pay for Goons intel?
That is, of course, a very good question. I think with the larger alliances, it's about building trust, rising to management key positions, and then stealing the assets. That's btw what you read about in the newspapers. I believe alliances always have spies placed in other alliances, but they won't pay anything for it if you offer your service :-) But if you have a key role like as a leader, maybe they will :-) However, you can also just go as a spy into a 0.0 PVE System... You warp cloaked into a combat site where your corp mate do pve. He won't leave the system because you're in the same corp, means space is blue to him..🙂. Your main then jumps in and insta warp to tackle and kill your corp mate...its your loot. Most of the 0.0 pve ships are shiny :-) BTW: Before that, you are for sure in a fleet with your alt as a spy. Make sure your alt does stys cloaked
I never spied in my 18 year eve career. I just kill stuff and build stuff. Just couldn’t be bothered.
I don't either, but I like the topic.
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fbthat's what a spy would say.
person saying i am not a spy is a spy
😇
and then immediately chat in the wrong intel channel
Adapt your EVE knowledge to the character's age. If you know too much that's fishy.
it is
Or just be officer dale and join+awox the same alliance several times a month with the same toon.
When you speak in your native tongue it sounds incredible as compared to the barbarous American English dialect. Makes me want to learn it, but I’m a US citizen, so my intellectual capacity is below average, and I’ll only know one language my whole life like most of my peers.
@@eskimocheese are you?
Yes, I have chosen to continue saying "HordE." But btw, you do have Spanish as a foreign language in school, mandatory, correct?
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb Most Americans are only required to take a small amount of their chosen foreign language in high school, around ages 14-18. Most of them don’t take it very seriously and barely pass it. As a 36 year old man now, I do not know a single person that can speak a second language fluently. Our school systems are failing in the US. I spoke to a German kid on EVE the other night that spoke English better than most Americans (and also sounded more intelligent), and he said that he was 14 years old. Our country is in the pits 😂
@@4tounces o wow !! Everything is mandatory for us. English is taught in kindergarten, and from the first grade in school. Then, in high school, we also add a second foreign language - Spanish, French, or Italian
When I open my launcher and it shows both my accounts I can choose from, is that considered to be linked?
when you joining goonswarm?
i did 14 days ago ;-)
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fbwaiting for your goonswarm video.
@@darkxcaliber3306 nearly done...but a hell of work tbh...used intense sound design :-) 5-6 days maybe
@@darkxcaliber3306 1-2 days...huge work...huge sound design..huge animation work..huge alliance :-)))
My spy career starts today
have fun 🙂
null corps are only useful as targets - otherwise, they're a nuisance like cockroaches or fleas. however, love finding them in ones or twos away form their nests. would be healthier for the game were they not ccp's chosen few, but thanks to that preference, the game is a LOT roomier with a lot more empty systems...
Sub 10k uniques is a really creepy world, agreed.
Let me get this straight. So you made a big hoo-ha about PH requiring 'checks' to gain access to more of their space... yet you're now in goons don't they require these 'checks' as well?
Yes, they do. I received an invitation from the CEO of Goons. He asked me todo a honest goon review. That's why I'm here. There was no "check"..I was in less than a minute onboarded. But as you can see in the video, I would have normally been rejected :-) that are the goons HR ppl look at 5:30 🙂 After the review, I'll return back to low-sec... or horde or elsewhere, who knows.
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb Ah okay that makes sense then, considering you just shat on their rivals in the previous video. 😂
I've always been curious about the goon experience myself (would never join) but I think you should have done a blind review with them first to get some geniune coverage. Since of course they would want to treat you extra well now in contrast to their rivals. Low-sec is the way 🙂
@@plushieshoyru I'm well aware of that, and I hope to be able to assess it accurately. :)
you are already off to a rough start when it comes to eve online and ur understanding of the game @@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb
@@epeeypen Stop posting. You sound like an idiot. Did you do even one minute of research before you started calling her new?
i rememberr that chat in newbeans haha
It wasn't so bad, was it? Didn't I also ask about the areas for PvE? I'm unsure.
how is anyone supposed to enjoy the game when you have to think of all this. it's not a game anymore.
I think spying starts at eve day 1
It's not because it's not your fun, it can't be theirs. Some people just like the challenge, It's EVE after all
Was the video: " Christmas time: Guaranteed 50 winners! " an scam?
no i did the draw manually...takes time and will be out in the next weeks
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb 2 months 🤔
your answer was the same past month, we are in 2024.. dont draw manually. Update yourself to current times
No me gusta que me tomen por boludo!
0:53 it's more than that, roughly half of Kalevala and half of Geminate is where they let us peasants roam freely
i mean thats sounds cool, isn´t it?
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb better than nothing, still lame ... I wanted to go hunt relic sites in the electric storm but the storm is in an area I can't go which is lame ... 2nd class citizen
@@k0v4c but you can join "a blessd bean" for example.
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb will they let me though?
@@k0v4c idk but i hope you are a good guy. 🙂
This is literally called "Operational Security".
it is
A woman of many talents.
Can s he suck a ball thru a tennis racket?...if so then yeah...😁
Hey bin wegen deiner Videos auch der Horde beigetreten
ohhh, das ist ja nett. gefällts dir?
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb ja ,würde echt freundlich empfangen
das freut mich sehr
Monika, did GOONS 4S trap you. You were supposed to fight blue donut & full api, not join them :)
maybe i was traped....who knows :-)
trapped in a great corp she was!
and be a psycopat, thats the more importan thing to be a spy =)
🙂
Come join Some Gallente or Amarr Faction Warfare someday if not already
hehe, spy vs spy too
Props for publishing corrections even if it is for Gobbins 🤮
Hey o/ can I do pvp and eventually win on a alpha clone in low sec? How to do it?
i dont know tbh...;-)
Using a different account, email or IP address is useless. The API does not include anything related to those. The only thing you might leak is the IP address by visiting alliance services, but that would require co-operation between the alliances to notice the same address.
Tye API checks are there to catch low hanging fruit. You don't manually audit, you use a program to see suspicious activity (e.g. deposit of isk from enemy faction)
When you register on the various forums of the Alliance websites, they track your IP address. Then you also have to provide your email address. If, like many people, your first and last name are part of your email address, they already have a lot of personal data.
"Using a different account, email or IP address is useless" It's pretty fascinating to see how easily people in the digital age are willing share their personal information.
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb I'm talking about your eve account email.
It's a good point though, NEVER use your regular email for video games. It takes 2 minutes to create a gmail account. People get very upset in over games, so don't open your self up to doxxing.
@@gawwad4073 Sure, when even someone like Brisc Rubal (CEO of INIT) talks in The Meta Show about people sending eMails to his employer office regarding the game (see "The Meta Show S3 Ep25' at minute 3:53") it becomes clear that everyone should definitely create a own EVE eMail address and use a VPN IP.
@@manfredmerklingergmbh9119 reading comprehension
Absolutes Comedygold😆
Ja finde ich auch 🙂
SPAI !
Spoken like a spy 😅
i am
its amazing how a new person to eve thinks they remotely understand how ESI and the spai network in eve works.
all corps i have ever been in API check. but i am insome of the best corps in the game and u are a new player who doesnt understand the game. api checks arnt useless at all lol
Who is new to the game??
"u are a new player who doesnt understand the game"
First day here? 😆
lol, api checks are absolutely useless when spying happens with discord clone servers.
discord clone servers? ugh lol wtf is that. also API does matter for letting toons in that will screw u over later by say .. lighting a cynos on ur fleet or blue reporting ur krabs @@Heimdarm2022
@@epeeypen
"it's not useless"
> Doesn't know about the thing that makes it useless.
Very big brain at work here, lmao.
Your really awesome. I wuv ooooo