Pandemic Horde. Is it still worth in 2024 joining?
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
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Well well, i had a hard time in horde :-)
"DONT´t get suprised if you get booted and blacklistet for spying"
"DON´T record any coms!"
"DON´T upload any feed an feed from horde" (ohh i will !)
"We DON´t wann fuel the goon propaganda mashine"
"The ONLY 2 explanations for hiding ISK transfers is 1) Hiding RMT 2) Hiding funding transfers to spy accounts"
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UPDATE 23.01.2024:
Mistake at 2:49. A Horde member sent me this link. There are many more PVE systems for basic members than just 4 around the HQ. You have direct access with just one jump. Therefore, here's the correction map: i.imgur.com/wt....
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I received many questions from you asking if it's worth to join a 0.0 alliance. So, I took it upon myself to find out. I spent 10 days in Pandemic Horde, participating in a total of 18 fleets. This experience allowed me to gather a view, highlighting both the pros and cons, to provide you with a well-rounded perspective.
My questions have also led to some annoyance and irritation within Pandemic Horde, which is quite unfortunate. After joining 18 fleets, I received varying responses to my question. Some FCs didn’t respond at all, showing poor etiquette, but I’m okay with that. Others explicitly refused, which is also acceptable to me. However, a few conditioned their approval on the fleet "looking good" in the battle report. "we dont wanna feed the goon propaganda mashine", but hey i dont care about that !! This experience indicates that those who ask politely and frequently face significant restrictions, which is a disappointing revelation. The video documenting these experiences also. - Ігри
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Esi checks should be required. In a game like this letting an enemy in can cause you to lose everything.
Dear Ami, here is a comment from another fellow German eve player:
I play EVE since 4 years and am a member of PH since 2. I can see some of your critic points but I also see your video critically. I'm having a pretty good time there and Horde has lots of sigs, groups and other content if you apply for it. Being a newbean and only having a few systems to rat in, is a thing I criticize myself. Yet getting into a gated corp is no struggle at all. I've got accepted into a German corp a few days after being in PH which immediately opens all doors, no more requirements but a background check. And as said: other alliances are much more strict with their applications. So, as soon as I got to know my stuff, I joined lots of PVE and PVP sigs, had lots of fun and most FC's explain the current mission... If not, just ask. And being in a massive alliances also doesn't mean that you can't solo or small gang anymore... just leave your sheltered home and visit some low sec or enemy territory. Horde doesn't even forbid you to fly with independent groups or NPSI groups, as long as you don't shoot allies...obviously. I fly with all of these guys you just chatted with and they are nice people who explain everything. But us germans we are a bit stiff und weird and I can imagine that you appeared like a sniffer dog. But yes, that "don't feed goon propaganda stuff" is weird. I've been following eve politics on reddit recently and its totally weird, from both sides.
You know, I don't want to contradict you in every point, it's just that I think your picture of PH is very incomplete.
And I should find more synonyms for weird.
Thank you for that. I did highlight many advantages of being in Horde and at the end in the video, I do recommend joining Horde if you're up for PvP. It's not all negative, and it's always just my "little" perspective on things - which could be wrong. whos perfect`?
@@user-ye4ly9wb9i 🙂
still, keep going on with your content! I enjoy it very much@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb
As a fellow Solo/small-gang PVP enjoyer and content creator, I found the video to be greatly amusing and it perfectly encapsulates the state of null blocs in 2024.
In terms of PVP, Brave, Horde, and others offered great PVP content several years ago. Now, however, as you have seen for yourself, they only care about “zkill green” which is why they absolutely stomp anyone who ventures into their space, especially with Marauders.
Null blocs utilize “strength in numbers” i.e. bringing a massive blob of F1 monkeys. I didn’t want to be “just another number” and instead I prefer to fly solo/small-gang, retaining that sense of individuality, actually having fun piloting your ship (i.e. not just F1).
I am new to your channel but see that you have done a solid amount of Solo PVP as well, so I’m sure you can understand the gist of what I’m saying. On the other hand, you might not be familiar with the idea of small-gang playstyle. Small-gang can be defined to be flying with
I really didn't have an easy time in Pandemic Horde, but I still tried to paint a neutral overview for you. Here are some comments that i was facing with:
"DON'T get surprised if you get booted and blacklisted for spying."
"DON'T record any comms!"
"DON'T upload any feed from Horde" (Oh, I will!)
"We DON'T want to fuel the Goon propaganda machine."
"The ONLY two explanations for hiding ISK transfers are 1) Hiding RMT (Real Money Trading) 2) Hiding funding transfers to spy accounts."
What are your experiences with 0.0 sec alliances? Is it worth joining? I'm looking forward to your feedback ! 🙂
i am in iron whales in goons, these guys are great no real requirements. however you do need to give your esi. tons of programs in goons that help teach you the game. they even give isk to fc's that want to learn. tons of classes each week. we even have tons of sub groups in the alliance. let me know if you wanna know more. maybe you could make a video about goons. also no one really cares what you record. we dont really lose that often though.
@@sifercifer2360 sound cool, and ofc if goons inivte me for 10 days to record a video with all the pros and cons i am in.
let me talk to people. @@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb
hello, love the video! wanted to mention on the PVE part their is about 48 systems available to the brand new horde member, if you see the map of C3J straight from MJ it connects to a a bunch of green systems.
goons allow anyone to rat anywhere. @@sandbaord12
PH: Only post fleets where we look good. Goons: Ye, we just fed marshals and a poggerhead - go have a laugh!
She didn't even say it was that bad. After watching the video I was willing to give the corp a try but after seeing all these comments from what I assume are various horde corp members it made me not want to do it
Mostly ex horde corp members. It's shit. If you want to do the nullsec newbie group experience join Brave and fuck around or join a small group. Horde is just exploitation and bots.
@@AronFigarobots is Frat...dont think Horde
@@MA-uy7iu It's called "pandafam" for a reason now, go to horde space any time since 2019 lol
4S is recruiting! Gf btw. I fly regularly with the tengu fleet at GSF. I feel your video is fairly accurate and describes well what null sec life can be like. If you do get kicked perhaps join the other side and compare views? Could be a interesting video.. Fly safe.. Peek
thx
It's not worth it, they demand full API and they didn't even accept a player who had a break from Eve and was flying for EG squad. You have to meet a number of conditions and they send copy paste nonsense without giving any reason for the refusal. Monika, it's a waste of time on 4S
@@waszka1 4S upholds an active and friendly Corp atmosphere. We take the fight where content is and try to not lose too many shops on the way. If you initally active and friendly then we would have re accepted you back. I'll let you figure it out. Good luck on your next venture.
@@gripenn thx for response, I was active and I am active. I don't like the way I'm being treated. If someone comes to you, fills out the entire survey, gives you full access and receives a rejection in the form of 1-2 sentences of copy paste, it's not OK. I still don't know why I was rejected xD
@@waszka1i think she joined
Joined Goonswarm in 2011, still in, PH thx for the feeding Content for all those years and to come.
Karmafleet is recruiting
7o ❤
Brisc Rubal, what do you think - could I make a video like this one about Karma Fleet / Goons? A completely neutral one with the freedom for me to deliver my own view, my perspective on things inside Karma Fleet and for sure...without API checks? 10 days. You're the one who can open the door for that, right?
karmafleet best fleet
Descent video, just returned to mess around a bit and joined PH. No offense intended but you are a bit naive in your thinking. Big blocks aren't looking for fair fights in their backyard/home turf, they are looking to protect their territory. An opposing FC that shows up in a Big Block backyard is (a) looking for soft targets / easy kills (b) expecting to get blobbed for stepping on a big block home turf because it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when. Oh and spy's in big blocks are a problem, everyone has them and restrictions are a way of life.
My corp joined Goons, and it was a fantastic experience. You should do one on your experience there. Goons have changed a TON since my first impression of them 15 years ago!
whats the name of your corp?
the "post mittani" goons are great ! new management, new culture
Love horde and large scale fleet fights. Trash talk is part of the pvp game. No one means anything by it.
There were many FCs for whom respect and 'gf' in local chat were more important than blaming the opponents who had already lost. They called it code of conduct in fleets.
Thank you for your points. Love your videos and the honest feedback you give.
I joined a nullsec alliance only 3 months after starting Eve. Was a very hard learning curve as we were in FIRE coalition and I lost all my assets in that war.
Our corp then joined Goons.
I really enjoy Goons and just wish our enemies woukd fight more often. Recently we've had a lot of fleets where we go out and then put enemies don't fight.
Got on the X47 KM last year that was lots of fun
Hey thank you ! But Horde is fighting every goon fllet thats coming in, right? Did not see they run away.
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb they’re probably talking about goon home defense fleets against horde roams, where the same thing you noticed from horde home defense fleets applies. Certainly last time I went on a 40 retri roam to goon space as a horde member and we refused to fight their 120 man harpy fleet, people were pretty pissed 😅. Really it’s a tough balance to strike, it would be great to have fleets of comparable numbers so the bigger fleet fights happen more often, but the defending side also has the need to protect their space so they often overform quite a bit. Occasionally an fc will come and sit still shooting an ansi to “ring the dinner bell” which can sometimes get a reasonable form (since they’re not threatening the home turf, just waiting for a reasonable fight), but even that doesn’t always work and they just get outformed anyway. It’s tough to get good fights in eve when 90% of battles are decided by numbers/ship comp before the shooting even starts.
Pandemic Horde is offering all possible oppertunities to his members a Nullsec Alliance can offer. There are all kinds of PvP not only blob fights, like some people claim. There are several FC's running roaming gangs and other stuff. But you don't have to do PvP all the time. You are not forced to do anything by the Alliance. You can do your own stuff if you want. There is a bunch of PVE possibilities starting from guided newbie mining events. Experienced players can easily make several hundred million isk an hour in different ways, supported and secured by your alliance mates. Yes, there are rules. But you need rules if thousand of players interact with each other, sharing the same space and resources. Pandemic Horde is extremly Newbie friendly, makes it easy for his members to explore their opertunities in Eve step by step, helps them to grow and getting rich. Without bullying other Eve players by braindead asshole moves like other Nullsec Alliances.
Thank you for making a video about my alliance and for your feedback. I want to correct some inaccuracies:
- There are not 4 pve systems open for trial players in Horde, there are 50.
- All large nullbloc alliances require API keys due to security concerns. Horde is the only large entity that allows non-API players into nullsec to begin with, and the restrictions you mentioned are lifted upon providing API.
- The hostile fleets you showed in your video were not roaming gangs ‘looking for nice fights’ but strat opses, whose goal is to either destroy infrastructure or cause as much damage as possible. They do not show up to give ‘honorable fights’.
- Within the alliance, there are many special interest groups (SIGs) for different types of gameplay, including FW or smaller sized fleets. These are special subgroups within the alliance that members can join and leave at their leisure.
- You claim that single players cannot matter in a big fleet. There are many individual roles that make a huge difference even when 100s of players are in fleet. Some examples would be fleet commanders, scouts, logi, cynos, coordinators, or any of the people that allow 100s of strangers to work together as a unit.
- There is no alliance-wide policy of what videos can or cannot be posted. Each FC can ask for their voice to not be recorded.
I've pinned that at the top of the video. btw, my videos are made purely for fun, I don't receive any payment, so they always portray my personal experiences and perspectives. But it is like it is: I'm simply sharing my own experiences, which could be similar to those of a new player, and I present them with my subjective opinions. As a special gesture, I'll be fair and make sure to mention the Horde PVE areas again at the beginning of the next video because I know, that not everyone may will be read your posting below this video ;-)
I've been playing eve since 2005 and even for someone like me, the game is so incredibly complex that I still can't explain everything in detail. When a player has an experience with horde you should be extremely grateful and not only go fingerpointing what's wrong. Why you haven't mentioned a single word about the positive things that have been said about your alliance? Gobbins remember 2015? When you founded Horde? Wasn't your goal to make NULLSPACE more accessible to new players? Wasn't the idea to create an alliance that is open to everyone?
Alliances change, policy change but Horde was the "go to place" for new player as a friendly alliance under PL. Its not a far future, when you're like every other null-sec alliances. What used to make you strong over the years, being open to everyone, is now getting more and more restricted. Over the last years you've strongly continued to lower access for basic members, you founded "Blessed Bean" and others, the initially open PH has become more and more restricted.
- Where is your willingness to accept feedback?
- Why not inviting her to create a new video like *This is Pandemic Horde* ?
You could even offer her some ISK as an incentive. This way, you could promote Horde with an extensive reach and have a video that aligns with your vision and without mistakes.
Bro made a new YT account for this comment 😂
@@TheRock68-mi7vf Oh fuck no his goal was always to make RMT money like crazy, I was with him when he did it, I jumped ship from TEST strategic command day 1 to join him. Fucking piece of shit backstabbed all of us and went straight to the bank. If I ever get dox on him he's going straight the fuck to jail.
Playing eve for 15 years, 2 weeks in horde, one of the best community.
I was in horde over a year and regularly lead home defense standing fleets in USTZ. Had a lot of friends there and we killed it in PvP! Went on a filament roam one time and accidentally killed one player that apparently was "Blue" to us, even though they weren't, and leadership failed to pass this information down to us grunts lol.
I had some random guy from leadership I had never heard of jump into our comms with an attitude - I legit asked "Who are you?" and he banned me from PH immediately without even saying who he was. I still don't know to this day lol. I paid for the guys ship that we killed and they were cool with it, but PH didn't care and still banned me and my whole fleet of 16 players for causing a "Diplomatic Issue", even though the pilot/corp guy we killed was cool and said it was an honest mistake.
Real morale here is PH leadership has a weird ego, tread carefully. If they turn their backs on you for whatever reason, it makes it really tough to get into any other major corporation. Luckily, I got picked up by a reasonable group :)
thanks for that input/feedback
Hi, how nice to see a video of yours again, it's always a pleasure, I really enjoy your way of making videos and approaching the EVE from a casual and direct point of view, without any restrictions or disrespect. I love your videos.
Regarding Pandemic Horde, I guess it happens the same as in many places, I'm a player since 2006 and I've seen how everything changes. The fear of spies and the lack of imagination in the game has made that the large PVP is simplified to hit F1, a shame, because this way you never learn anything new and you end up having sheep in your army instead of wolves.
What I like most every time I play EVE with more people is to be taught to sharpen my claws and teeth, not blindly follow an order that I don't know what it leads to.
Pack or solo... be a wolf my friend.
I like that. At the end we are playing in the same universe, right?
I joined horde randomly when i was newer before I really knew anything and im so happy i did. Everyone was so helpful when i was new, so much that it made me wanna be like that so now I'm a caretaker and help newer players as well.
Well they don't like turning up for fights in Catch :)
come check out goons, the culture is a complete 180 from horde!
i will / do "is it worth to join goons in 2024"...pomised
thought Goons only recruited via _Something Awful_ forums
How does one join?
@@hankchinaski_ i think yes...who knows
@@hankchinaski_ 2005 wants your comment back.
DId you stop making content for Eve? Ive been enjoying your videos recently but noticed you haven't posted in a while. Hope you're still enjoying the game :)
no i was in dubai and it takes a lot of time ;-) so next video will be out this month
Since you're in the MJ Beanstar area anyway, ask about the Northern Coalition. I got recruited by a corp in that alliance straight from HighSec. Yeah there's a background check on your account, but it's pretty smooth.
Large fleet engagements are a drag. Sure, sometimes you're making history. But they are so slow and frustrating due to the server lag and Time Dilatation (TIDI). It's no fun to die to odd timing quirks and have your machine crash because the client (let alone the server) can't handle the load. I prefer low-sec where the fleets are more manageable.
i HATE TIDI ... i prefer low sec too...but sometimes 0.0 can be fun.
Awesome, a new video! As a noob I enjoy these very much
hope you like it. if you love pvp - go to 0 sec ! ;-)
LMAO Goblino mad posting about his alliance being fairly reviewed by an actual horde member, stay mad Gobbins.
I do Belive that home security fleet are ment to be unfair... The goal is to remove the intriders guarantee safety and discourage other intrusion... We should see it as a "player concord police" kida thing... Also... If you have a huge fleet you cant really say hey you stay doked wile we having fun... Better to disrizpect intruders than your own members
Agreed - home defense fleets aren't about fair fights - they're about securing your space.
If I only put videos of us\me doing good, I would never have any content to post :P I like what you did here, I hope to see more "is it worth" videos.
still working on the next one....
6:08 * lol "we dont wanna fuel the goon propaganda" ... It seems like several FCs have been well aligned with the party line. 🙂
who knows
Nice explaining Ami,I am self looking for big Corp that cant get war dec like old Brave Empire but I saw they were closed ,I like to do my things and some times join them in low sec and 0 sec I don't need any thing from Corp even I help Corp if I can with joining them in fleet ,its game for me but I see most require many things from you and for me its game ,unfortunaly couldnt find any Corp for me so I play solo
yes i also play solo a lot of the time
Karmafleet is recruiting :)
thanks for the videos, they have been very informative. As a new player your corp and pvp videos are very educational and entertaining.
hey thank you and have fun with the game !
Hi!
I regularly leave and return to EvE, now your videos made me return again with a fresh character, so thanks! I used to be part of large null-sec groups for short times. I really loved to participate in large fleets, even tho I usually was only an e-war frig or tackler following the pilots with the big toys, but it felt I was part of something big and important. However, I really hated the rules and regulations of such groups. I can't do this in X system, I can't do that between Y and Z timeframe. I can't join to a fleet because I have only a t1 version of one damn module instead of t2. No matter otherwise my ship is perfectly fitted, one module is not perfect and I can't join. Last time I left the game I had to register on at least 4 different websites, 3 discord servers, gave my api code to at least two different parties and when I tried to join a fleet they said I can't cause I need to register on a fifth website, create a cold clone ingame and link it to a server.. I didn't even understand half of what they wanted from me and at that point I totally lost it and just left the game alltogether.
Never again... Bigger corps and alliances just makes your life harder and suck the fun out of the game.
super cool feedack AND : NICE that you returned to the game ! i love that. welcome back !
I agree with many of your points, as a new player it would be very hard to make a living and have fun in null sec. The money makers are very slow and uneventful. I think that some people may like the play style of being a f1 button presser and watching action unfold. I dont agree that lowsec is the best, im baised but i think wormhole corps are the best. Lowsec can have many ups and downs and is very dependent on the amount of bling and money you can play with. In wormholes, most fights are brawly and more dependent on intel, not how much money and factoon ships you throw at it. Thanks for the video, it was very entertaining and have a good day😊
thanks for watching....tried WH spave several times and failed always....i need to know who´s in local 🙂
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb yeah it can be spooky I just never fly any ships that I can't lose on a wim. I hope you make this type of video into a series and overview all of the playstyles in eve, it would be very interesting to see your opinion!!
@@aaronmeyer9586 will be a long way to go 🙂
This is why I love NPC null. Best of all worlds! Syndicate for life!
Awesome vid
Do you know how difficult that is? 🙂
All these people in the comments saying about rules, obligations and that you're a cog. I challenge you to go and actually join yourself and not believe everything you've read.
If you leave the state owned mega corps I cant imagine its any different than a small wormhole one, you play with your buddies and attend alliance activities if you want.
I figured that's how it was for all 3 blocks or maybe I'm spoilt over here with the good goon life in a great corp.
The rules are:
1. Have fun
2. Dont shoot blues
3. Stick your API on the website
4. Dont tell folks there are titans in 1dq (shhh, dont tell anyone I told you)
5. Go on one fleet a month just to prove you're still alive.
6. See rule 1
Been here 13 years, not been one single activity I've ever been told I couldn't do. If I want go welp a super unless I expect the alliance to pay for it or need to involve the alliance to help me do it then I'm free to welp away, isnt this how it is for everyone?
To be fair, there are plenty of "green" systems in neighboring regions, and they're only a few jumps away with the ansiblex networks, so new folks have access to way more than 3 systems. I haven't been with PH for that long, but I've spent a long time with other large and small nullsec groups over the years, the opsec stuff is pretty standard in any null group. You should try joining a wh outfit, that lot are the pinnacle of eve paranoia. I think your criticism of nullsec life is fair, and you're right, you can blanket bomb the same criticism across most nullsec groups, except maybe brave? brave are just special in their own special way, they're like the little train that could, but they're still a nullsec group. Eve is rarely fair, never mind home defense fleets, but it is so dependent upon the FC too, they need to want a fight and not just chase the opposing fleet off so everyone can get back to krabbing... fighting or krabbing... the eternal dichotomy of null...
yes i get the map and i placed a comment in the video description. i did not found that map: i.imgur.com/wtbqfqn.png.
i mean, it's reasonable that they only allow you to upload the good fights, the perception of the alliance is everything
ahhh no i dont care waht they allow or not tbh. i am recording for my own. so check out the other horde video ;-)
Hey! INit FC here: If you record my fleets i´m very fine if you film the bad once as well. Comms could be fun as well, But that´s up to leadership
will do that
Can you join us and do one on goons too, then do one on FRT I'd be interested to see what its like over there.
who is "us"?
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb ah sorry I'm in goons, I re-read that and can see how that would come across like that.
If you could, I'd be interested to see you join all 3 major blocks then decide which is the most fun
@@Helin0x99 done i am in
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb lol here we go 🙂
I've been in sigma grindset since the catch days, a little over 2 years now, i guess. Back then i did whatever i wanted, and the requirement from sigma or rekking crew was minimal but always fun. I do logi so fly the scimi, try not to die was basically it. Then we moved to Paragon and Esoteria and became "members of imperium" (which, well on paper to me we are but I do not see myself as a goon) and it's pretty much the same, i still do whatever i want. It's only way more blues than neutrals and we're "encouraged" but not really required to do anything except be in CTA if we can (i.e. don't crab while CTA, but that's easy to cicumvent, some people just go offline for 30min and then "oh i guess missed fleet" and go right back to crabbing. Nobody cares), but they do advise normal stuff like dread alts and don't go running about in your super or 15b rorqual in the timezone when everyone is asleep but you. It's pretty relaxed, I'd say.
nice input thx
You are awesome! Keep up the great work!
Transparently "reporting" should never be met with backlash if you were up-front about it in the first place.
On a side-note I actually landed near Ami from a WH the other day and would have stopped by to "say hi" if I had been PvP fit. I will try to be prepared next time and "greet" you there hopefully.
o7
watch out for NFG there, you know ? ;-)
I've been in a smaller null sec group for 100 days and had a great experience overall. Sometimes it's frustrating not having the security to do some of the PVE content I want to in peace, but the people all know each other, there is a much greater element of knowing your corpmates and enjoying their company, and i get the level of PVP content I want to without feeling overwhelmed. I think EVE would do doing better if it supported smaller null groups over blobs.
and for sure Eve would doing better by making HS traveling safer!
I've not played or seen an EVE community video pass by my screen in a while, and this was rather fantastic! I do think about EVE sometimes and if it could be something I could play again...
I saw a random EVE video last November which got me playing again...
btw, if they kick you, you should jouin goons and see that mighty goons propaganda horde is afraid of :D
I think that the Horde director team (maybe) will be able to accept feedback and view the video in a differentiated manner. If i get kicked out of Horde, i am super cool with that. please Subscribe and don't miss out on the information in one of the upcoming videos. :-))))))))))))
Home defense fleets for sure arent for honorable fights. They are to keep space safe and functioning. Every minute a hostile fleet is around is a potential loss of income and potential loss of infra or ships. As nullsec is a N+1 kind of pvp style, outnumbering is simply the go to strategy
I know a lot of stuff. just rather not post it here and argue with people. the game does have Ups and downs with every corp you enter . I say just find a corp you are happy with and stick with them
a good advice for new players. i like that...how to find a corp with no extra drama inside?
Every corp is gonna have drama big or small.. I say so what I did. Get into a corp and get in chat and make some real good friends .. I meant a couple dudes in the corp I'm in and I think of them as my family . That's how choose 3 of us got.
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb That's super easy, don't be a goon spy and create drama for goon propaganda videos like you did here =)
Cool video! Would totally be interested in seeing a follow up in another one, like INIT or Goons
The politics in a fcking video game... damn... Why some people take eve so seriously, am I missing something? You should make a video about that too ;) Let's call it "what is wrong with you nerds?" ;)
That many, or even a lot of people, take a game so seriously also shows how good the game is... often confusing real life with the game. Amazing, right?
Can't imagine joining a null corp just for some nerd with a superiority complex to start shouting at me during my free time playing a video game.
In all the null corps I joined 90% of players are just a cog in the machine and upper leadership gives 0 shits about you. There's always "that fc"
wormholer btw
WH is sooooo complex...
didn't have to read to the bottom to realize that you are a connoisseur of wormhole space!
wormhole btw
As someone who ran low/high alliance, but also alts in main null blocks.
All have restrictions and thus to be able to either freely enjoy or access all parts of eve space it often best to have alts in both empire space and null sec etc.
Even used to News camera fights on twitch for a while but live battle coverage can be anothering thing completely.
Interesting to see how Horde - so there basic recruitment upwards.
Politics of not showing, talking about stuff - filming, or even fair fights was always hard.
Still takes me a while to loose the old mindset of Pandemic I had when they were rented MErc roaming around null to what in recent years is Panfam etc.
I tried to join a low-sec pirate corp, and it was slower and more time-consuming than finding a real-life job. I said screw it and just created my corp and went solo.
solo is cool...but what corp did you tried to join ???
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb The Tuskers. I applied to them and eventually decided to give up when nobody either said "yes" or "no" after twenty or so days.
@@JordanAlexochannel hmmm i know them as well skilled PVP Players...sorry to hear that
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb Yeah, they're a good corp but it seems their recruitment section lacks someone active. Anyway, keep up the good work. Your videos are fun and informational. Thanks.
i started in like 2011 (maybe 2012 idr) and joined Test as a 2-weeks fresh pilot, they were in Delve at the time. i didn't even know i could group my guns.
i think as a new player, joining a nullbloc can give you a jumpstart at learning a lot of the game mechanics you wouldn't normally get into if you stayed in highsec. the 'blue umbrella' gives you easy access to relatively decent income as a newer player, and you meet a number of different people.
i think i stuck with it for about a year, and just got really bored tbh--it's just not for me--each day was just line ships, logi or if you're involved in the cap wing, maybe dropping a dread or triage. i appreciate a lot of the smaller groups at this point, working in small gangs, playing a more specific role, lowsec/wormhole focus. i think i would have just been watering down my own experiences in eve if i had stayed solely in a nullbloc--but everyone's looking for something different out of the game, and i respect that.
"(...) jumpstart at learning a lot of the game mechanics you wouldn't normally get into if you stayed in highsec". Oh yes, thats 100% the case.
Super useful video, if you have enough time and willingness to test other alliances. As a fan of NPSI, I have the same assumptions as you
i am on it
As someone who has been in horde for about a year: literally anyone can be an fc and fire really shouldn't be one
hmmmmmm...feels sorry to hear that? Why?
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb if your still in horde should try Rodney fleets if its not to far out your time zone. usually regular pings and he almost always does invasions into enemy lands. He is a junior FC still learning but i have had some serious fun. Anyways last comment, keep up the good work!
@@sandbaord12 Yea, Rodney, Alex, Clavo, Xtacy are all good fleets to go on. Some FCs are really bad, some are really good. I'm having a good time now that i've started ignoring the bad FCs but its kinda rough for a new person because you get your time wasted a fair bit until you figure it out. Fire just says really dumb things a lot and I literally have them ignored ingame
@@ipsum2892 i agree, but i think we have to take the good with the bad. i started in 2006 and it was very apparent that the big blocs and what not after some time where becoming very try hard and gated beyond fun. i understand that its very rough letting newbies in (awoxers and just newbies in general) and the big agree ment to let some null systems be nuet or open to smaller alliances IMO has made the game better and hopefully last longer. do you have any thoughts on how we could make it better for new people in regards to understanding what FC's they should fly with?
@@sandbaord12 Oh yea totally - on one hand its awesome that anyone can ping a fleet and get the fc tag pretty easily, on the other hand yea I don't have a great answer. I personally had the benefit of joining horde with my friends so we collectively figured out which fcs we liked pretty fast, but otherwise you just kinda have to join fleets to find out. A good indicator is usually checking if the fleet is SRP'ed and avoiding the non-SRP fleets at the start. I'm saying this as someone who pings non-SRP fleets once in a while.
Nullsec wird von zwei Arten Allianzen bewohnt. Die einen funktionieren nach dem Prinzip:" Marschieren und Fresse halten...", wohingegen die anderen nach dem Prinzip "Fresse halten und marschieren!" arbeiten. :-D
Damit ist eigentlich alles gesagt. Wenn man Fun im PvP sucht, dann ist LowSec oder WH die bessere Adresse.
kommt mir das jetzt aber bekannt vor ;-) aber, es sei denn, du bist derjenige, der die Richtung vorgibt !
Haven't played in several years, but was the last corp I had a char in. Wasn't a bad corp then apart from almost everything being based around a US timezone...
Seat ( API access ) is pretty common now for a lot of serious corps / alliances. I know it isn’t the nicest experience to feel like you’re not trusted from the get go but if you were running a corp or alliance with a lot of assets would you really let in anyone without any checks? We all know the stories of spying and theft and on one hand its funny and interesting but its an understandable reaction by corps to want you to login to SEAT. You can revoke your api access to their Seat or what ever application they want to use to perform background checks. Its kind of expected that you’re not a noob pilot and you’ve heard of the theft and spying stories in EVE. You cant expect to join and be trusted straight away
If i would be a spy, i wouldnt join an alliance with my obvious spy-character. I would create a complete new account. Or i would have created 20 accounts several years ago, so that i have a choice of 60 characters joining an ally as a spy and noone will ever notice, even with API access.
So imho its an absoluty stupid, ridiculous and braindead move. I wonder if anyone has ever or will ever uncover a real spy with that kind of regulation.
@@berdstet1361thats so true !!!
@@berdstet1361 i think you are 150% right.- I'm seriously considering creating a new account, completely neutral. I'd give this account an inconspicuous cv, of course without any money transfers. Maybe buy a few PLEX occasionally, get shot down in low sec as a newbie, join some no-name high sec corps, and then use the account to get in... I'm curious to see what all those API checks will be worth then...
Yeah you're right you can do that. But how many people realistically will wait 20 years to subvert a corp that might not exist in an an allianec that might not exist in a game whos rules might change and in a game that might not exist? I too would be very interested to know the stats on spy identification with SEAT / API access and you can bet its not high. Again though, what would you do if you were CEO of a large corp / alliance with a lot of assets? @@berdstet1361
Usually it goes like this: you go to staging with 20 ships and Horde feeds ~4bil before a 100+ man fleet arrives and kicks you out ^^
Pros in null are making that isk, cons are you need to follow other peoples rules. I never joined a big group.and I don't want to. But I'll go solo or with some friends to Nullsec one day when the Minmatar Republic dies or something like that.😢
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While I 100% understand your reasoning for not doing ESI checks as a content creator, it is a little unfortunate as I think being able to join one of the smaller corps within horde would help resolve some of the issues you experienced. I’m a member of a horde corp on the small-medium size, and I enjoy going on fleets with the main alliance quite a bit. But when I want smaller scale PvP or just a closer knit community, my corp will often get together as 5-10 people and do small roams or mining fleets and just hang out together. It seems to me like you scratch that itch just fine hanging out in lowsec which is cool, just saying those smaller communities do exist under the horde umbrella too, either in smaller corps or “sigs” (basically interest groups). Thanks for the video! I’m sorry to hear that you’re getting so much grief about it, I’m pretty disappointed to hear that.
thx...no worries all good. if you upload a video with that topic you will be in the line of fire.
Sounds like you would really enjoy Brave
they are 100% a part of the imperium now, right
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb I'd love to see reviews for the other major factions: Brave, Goonswarm, Initiative and Fraternity
@@trolley7657 will do...
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fbYes, Brave are now part of the Imperium
I have decided to never again join an Alliance for the rest of the time Eve is alive. Gamers, make your own corps in High Sec, get rich, then troll Null Sec people by using Filaments to go in and disrupt things.
why that?
Carebear who wants to try pvp huh ? lol
Ou nooo not filaments🤣
as a member of WH corp. we rather do pvp in hole than chasing bots in null... because usually response fleet is as you said 4:1 or people using third party soft for intel channels so most of crabs are already hidden at citadels..
This, that's what finally got me to retire from eve. It's all fucking bots in null now, or "people" protecting said bots.
After the Haunting Deity zarzeckh disaster i doubt youre going to find many fcs super enthusiastic about being recorded. The being said, the southern agreement is about to end and a fairly large war is about to spin up using zarzackh power projection in the south. Imperium allies are already starting to put out spies and awoxers in preparation, whilst spinning up their propaganda machine, so im sure there is a ton of suspicion about.
If you dont like Horde that much you might try Frat. It is esi gated and largely chinese, but the fcs/translators do often explain objectives and the chinese fcs are very friendly. Their fleets are also very organized but there arent as many in peace time. HD fleet encounters are also generally of a smaller scale unless the imperium is involved.
But the communication during their fleets is ?? chin?
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fbI don't get it though there are 2 ping channels for explaining basis of a fleet #pings and #brs and aars
They literally say goons hitting structures in xyz region or mist inbound or something pvp isn't that deep drones unless its a goon deployment then the big stuff will be brought to bare
Try CVA at the end of your series. They are trying to build up their Faction Warfare, so you could help an alliance that is quite small now and part of EVE's history, gain Loyalty Points and continue your Low Sec activities.
Hmmm...never heard of them before
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb Curatores Veritatis Alliance will be 20 years old this year and are reclaiming Providence region.
@@HateGplus loved cva and the opportunities and challenges that nrds/kos provided in providence. best of luck to your group!
@@HateGplus sure why not ....
I know that Imperium has Brave Newbies for easy access to 0.0, without PvE restrictions. Does a similar corp exist in Pandemic Horde? One with api/background checks but very casual approach to the game (like Brave Newbies)?
Once you join PH Inc., which is the default corp in PH and setup your services, forum, discord, mumble access etc, you can scroll through a very large list of corps within horde and their requirements. While all of them require ESI a handful of them are very newbie friendly and don't have much reqs at all.
This is a rally cool vid. Thanks!
Ex-Goon here: We were instructed to plant spies in Horde to cause chaos and havoc inside PH during the papi-war.
That's probably one of the main reasons why PHI characters couldn't be easily trusted.
Ex-TEST here: We were instructed to plant spies in Horde to cause chaos and havoc inside PH during the papi-war.
That's probably one of the main reasons why TEST has no idea what they're doing as they were arguably on our side.
I actually have spy characters in 3 huge alliances and I regularly sell info and whatnot to each of them lol. There are several easy ways around their silly backround checks.
i should do a video "how to install spy accounts in the 0 sec allies?
btw, the e in horde is silent, I couldn't stop laughing every time you said hord-ee if that was on purpose, even better
no you know....i am german...the "e" is so important for us !! HORD sounds crazy for me
lol I knew you where german the moment i hear you say HordEEE :D@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb
@@ryzakgaming552 yes...we cant skip that important "e"...
Pandemic Horde was NEVER worth it. Indy stuff? It's more pussified than Hi-sec as far as actual risk. PVP? Sure! as long as you're idea of PVP is taking fleetwarps wherever and pushing F1 when the FC tells you too. If I were you, for your own sanity, avoid sov-null whenever possible. It's atrociously boring.
well it is but wanna do some videos about it...to bring it to the public....will stay in ,low sec after that for sure !
Stay Frosty 😉
100 % i will... 🙂
good job
thx 😍
Until I had joined a null corp and the alliance, I was struggling but managed to find cool corp where people are nice and want to help you, fleets are not that strict and you can play how you like. But in the end, it all comes down to what playing style does any of those alliances provide. If they require you to have certain amount of kills and you are just not that kind of a player, then you go to the next one.
Sure, everybody now have to be careful about letting new players in because it can easy be the spy for the other side, but you can clearly see that even players that were fighting with others for 10+ years turn sides. So new players and spies and all that drama doesn't make sense. Anybody can be a spy and all of that can be done outside of your eve main account and away from others to see.
i agree 150% with that ! "So new players and spies and all that drama doesn't make sense. Anybody can be a spy and all of that can be done outside of your eve main account and away from others to see."
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb I also understand that they want to stop demotivation of their own people from seeing their losses by asking others not do record and publish losses, but that is not a good practice.
You need to embrace the defeat, learn from those mistakes that you made, not shove it below the carpet and hope none will go to clean the dust and dirt under it.
And there will always be someone that will go and look for those.
Eve is really transparent game when you look at it, you can clearly see how certain fight went trough, and I really don't know how can they just hide them from players... Unless they have players that doesn't check these things and can only see them trough YT videos, but then what about situation where Goons, Init or anyone else publish their video of victory battles against Horde or Frat? They will request to shut down those videos so their players don't see their losses? That's funny :D
@@CavicBronx agree and as a content creator, it's important for me to show transparency and try to remain as neutral as possible. i am not on somebodys payroll
you should've showed the map for TKE, where there are plenty of non-gated systems. But I do understand you don't really care that much because you don't do PVE.
i put that information some days ago in the video description. i did a mistake with the map but at the first time i only found the map i posted in the video
Should have come to newbeans and asked or reached out to the newbean team who talked to you first. If something seems really "wrong" its probably a limited perspective issue in my experience. There arent actually many big evils left in eve as far as i can tell. And thats from someone who has been in a forever war vs goons for years (they arent all that bad maybe... i dunno... maybe they are the worsts)
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb
@@EveMentorship Well, why not take this as a super great opportunity to review and potentially improve the presentation of maps and information, especially if many players might be having the same as I did at Horde Square? Here's how a professional company might have responded: "Thank you very much for your feedback, for which we are truly grateful. Feedback is always an opportunity for us to question our own processes to ensure that we can consistently offer optimal solutions." Aanyways I will mention the correct map in the next video.
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb we have been reviewing our maps constantly and have constant bickering discussions around them.
You looked at a single region of our maps have given no real feedback about why you did that for me to understand the pitfall. The map itself you seem to have understood well just missed the fact that we had afew more.
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb He don't even mention the positive things you've said. Didn't you even recommend joining? After that drama here i hope player see that they should leave horde and not joining them.
I did a tour in Null-sec in 2009. Just after the BOB alliance got "deleted". Ended up picking one of the left over corps. They established themselves in Stain. Or were trying to. With no "blue" space to all their own and most of the players in US timezone, when I logged in on a Saturday morning to go and try and make some money or even explore the area, it was full of neuts and reds and no blues. So you sat in the station. Then when the rest of the folks logged on around 4pm my time we would go out on a PVP roam and die. When the ISK ran out I was told to clone jump back to high-sec to make some ISK and then to spend 20Mil ISK on the frieghter jump to bring my own battle ship. Then I had to scrounge, bed, borrow and steal modules to fit it.... poorly. I couldn't even find sentries and went out on the first fleet with T1 mediums! Useless. Didn't get blown up though and when I quit they did "gift" me a jump out of the BS as a leaving gift. Dropped it in Reblier!
I'm considered going back out to null, but after another 5 year break I am back, but changing things up, I moved to low-sec, upgraded to 3 accounts and am trying to "nomad" / "solo" my settling in to my new home. Finding a lot of fun as the initial "fear" and nerves even undocking have softened up. The stress comes down with both successful escapes and losses. The more experience you get with both the less freaked out you are moving around.
PVP. I find it difficult to roam and look and find targets. Don't get me wrong, I can find targets, but I just run out of "will" to spend time hunting them down to get a warp in and even then, I'm honestly not the kind of person who wants to kill random strange players in ships that can't shoot back.
I am still self-sourcing/building/hauling in a T1 PVP ship stock pile. While the most PVP roamers who come through come from the C3 Wormholes that always seem to open in my home system and hare particularly scary... I am hoping to find a fair target eventually. I have spotted someone ratting in a vexor for example. That could be conceived as a valid combat target and also competition.
I think I might just move up to a T1 cruiser, vexor maybe as I have 2 tones with excellent drone boat skills and... a third as bait. If I can master multiboxing them in combat that is. Currently I'm only building up to running 2 toons on field at once. 3 will take a bit more practice and technique.
ohhh wow - welcome back then your journey through Null-sec to low-sec, and your strategies in PVP and ship management, reflect a deep engagement with the game. thanks for sharing that !!!
Too bad you dont get a "storytime" like we get in any goonswarm fleet .
should try Brave, there's ESI but we don't mind sending isk to players and such so long as you explain it
No worries with my ESI/API topic...i will lunch a video "How to install a spy in every corp". 🙂CCP allows playing a 007, right?
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb I mean yeah it's not hard to get around haha, but it does get rid of the low effort ones and those that "forgot" to add alts. In Brave we have a "stay classy" culture so if we see toxic stuff in mails we blacklist, other thing is RMT which we report to CCP if we suspect it
@@ginganutjob i review the goons at the moment, so invite me to brave and i do it for sure 🙂
Sorry to be that guy but the word "horde" is just pronounced like "hord", I understand you were saying it as it would be in German but in English a lot of Es on the end of words are silent
wrong...its hord "e" ! Please don't confuse me with facts!
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb Can't tell if you're trolling or not... You are definitely pronouncing the word 'Horde' wrong. :P
@@sigmar40k no...its with an e in germany ...100 % true
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb Don't take any advice on pronunciation from anyone, love your accent and your vids! ;-)
Nop its hoooord like mongol folden hooord
I have just put in my application to the hord but now I don't think I wont to know.
just joined PH and reading all the rules i can confirm, pandemic horde inc players are restricted to 4 fucking systems in the entire region, everything else is rented/restricted space. what a horrible mistake this was
but there are more...i think 50...pls check out the text below the video.
Didn't use to be like that. If you wanna go with Northeast, try NC, although they rent a lot as well.
learn about Horde avoxers and you will see the reason behind those restrictions
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb You got lied to. Gobbins is well known for that. The other 46 systems are so far away and unprotected to be worthless. And, in fact, are pretty worthless with crap upgrades installed.
Well, you're welcome to join any other large null-bloc that I'm sure will let you have unfettered access to their space without any API checks. Oh wait...
< Horde for life
PL used to be great back around 2009-10. I recall fighting Body Count and North Eastern Swat fleets. Always had medium sized fun fleets. Never great blobs.
Renting is cancer, join a small PVP group
'Fair and honorable fights'. It really shows you don't live in nullsec much. It's all about what Tom Hardy said here.
"Big fucks small."
A few years ago, there were fair and always pre-arranged fights between Spectre and Horde, aimed at providing something exciting for the players... Headshots were also taboo... Whenever Tel Kontar, as the FC, flew his fleet into Horde null, it was always a really cool thing... Fleet sizes were also limited on the Horde side.
Joining panfam in 2024? Idk i was blacklisted because a higher up accused me of doing something i didn't do and the person i supposedly did it too also said i didn't do it. So i told the guy to F off while he was "disciplining" me in VC. So is it worth joining? No, not at all. Is it even possible to join? No, not at all.
your first mistake here is: you joined Horde
So many restrictions and rules
I'm not quite sure what you expected. Did you really expect large alliances, that require immense amounts of coordination and logistics to function, to just let you do whatever you want, whenever you want, without providing API keys? If you voluntarily decide to join a large group, you're going to have to abide by whatever rules are set.
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Hi Ami I found your comment interesting when you said you don’t PVE. just wondering how do you go about making ISK to support PVP addiction?
In low sec PvP, i take down other players, (shoot, kill, steal) salvage the wrecks, and steal the loot. This is a goog income. Add to that some planetary interaction (PI), and you've got yourself a very decent basic income. And i am bad in PVE i lost a lot of ships to NPCs i hate the BURNER Missions used 4 webs and cant hold that fast shi*** 🙂
Karmafleet is recruiting!
7:55 it seems you did well yesterday ;-)
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb indeed lol. We also poached Mist the Pony from you guys : P
@@zorgzev96 flew ith him somtetimes nice person, nice FC. But its not "you guys" because i am a "non trusted person" there in horde ;-)
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb unfortunately I have been time zone tanked from doing many Baguette fleets. I do enjoy looking at the BR’s tho. I will say that the standing fleet blob is just a thing on both sides. You can team up with a few other blues to chase a small gang out but there’s always a blob ready and waiting for some fresh t1 explorer ship blood.
@@zorgzev96 you are with karma fleet?
Funny thing is everyone says “the game is better when there are smaller fleets and tighter groups running around all fighting each other”
Yet a lot of people are stil in these mega bloc alliances, blue to 2/3 of the game . Sad.
Is there a list how many ppl - i mean of all players - are with 0 sec alliances?
okay so ez-pz
Horde=Toxic and restraint Community
Frt= You serve noraus and noraus Decides what you do of your time.
Imperium, The Initiatives, Slow Children at play
Any other alliance in the game Not in the Pandafam coalition = Free to do whatever you want.
Fraternity and horde are the worst for new player because they are being rob of their freedom in the game, and the toxic environment makes them quit the game the pings for fleet as well who wants to wake up to 150 Pings for fleets on discord?
The game is all about Sandbox and do what YOU as a player want not your alliances forces you to do like your a slave.
If you have limited time don't go to null sec this type of space isn't for you.
Horde has absolutely no rules that you need to attend any of those fleets everything is optional. There are special very important fleets called "Gold Pen" that will have a requirement to all online players to join but IRL is always first.
@@pinguincoder now what if I told you that in other alliance you can rat mine explore where ever you want and no one will ever beat you in local about it?
@@Involves In Horde you can do Just that when you Join an ESI gated Corp. The Only systems you are Not allowed to do such Things are rented systems.
@@pinguincoder renting in a video game we talking about freedom right?
@@Involves its not wild west its a Sandbox and in this Sandbox there are groups that Control territories and if a group decides that it wants to Rent some of their property to Others which are Not able to hold territories for themselves thats fine with me.
I'm in and I'm having a good time. Amused by all the salt and shitposting.
Now do Goons! hehe
Don´t know how to get in ! 🙂dont think they will invite me for a neutral video. But hey...cool idea ...I will ask them.
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb Hey friend,
I'm a Karmafleet member and I suggest to apply to Karmafleet. We do have a strict background check but if you're honest about who you are and why you're doing what you're doing, you stand a greater chance than most of the other people.
Our requirements are 3 PAPs per 3 months, meaning you need to have been in at least 3 fleets for every quarter of the year. It doesn't matter the fleet, it can be Karmafleet home defense fleet, it can be roams, it can be fleets with ex-Horde FCs happily killing Horde.
If you do join us, you'll find a laidback community who'll gladly hang out with each other.
As proud members of the Imperium, we enjoy a lot of benefits including scheduled volunteer training for those who wish to learn more about the game and it's history, a wide area of space to live in and no restrictions what so ever beyond not being a genuinely awful person to other players.
We'd gladly have you over with us!
if that's not your taste, I know Brave are greatly valued people by us and they are recruiting too. They have slightly less requirements than Karmafleet but a completely different vibe and is completely made from the ground up for new people.
www.karmafleet.info/ for Karmafleet info!
www.bravecollective.com/ for Brave!
Fly safe!
(and if you do wish to join Karmafleet, join our Discord and hangout with us!)
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb It absolutely doesn't hurt to try. And i'm not saying goons won't blob people, but Horde has really made early 2010s style helldunks or blueballs their official MO these days. In contrast I've been on enough fleets where the fc told us "Look people this is going to be a tough fight for us, but i made you come all the way out so we're going to try to make something happen." The difference in mentality between valuing their members time opposed to not wanting to look bad and get shit on by top brass.
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fbdon't know how their recruitment works, but you can always join my alliance, Brave, which is part of the Imperium (Goons). We get plenty of PVP in nullsec and regularly kick Horde's behind. :P
I'm in horde and maybe a little biased but I think you just ran into wrong people, some new guys with roles do get cocky alot, specialy that machiavelian. While I agree horde used to be more fun and had better fcs there are still alot of good ones that always explain whats going on after the fleet, usualy start with a sentence "Ok fleet now it's story time" and explain everything.
About blobing fleets in our space, ofcors a goal of a large nullsec alliance is to make their space as secure as possible for their money making activities, but there are still alot of times where fcs do limit the number of people and try to give fair fights to fleets like spectre and others, but not goons, because we actualy tried to give them fair fights but every time we went to their space they would form 2x or 3x numbers so there was actualy an announcament from our leader that since they won't give us fair fights we won't give them any.
As for your points about being just a number or a follower, yes, it is like that but it's like that anywhere unless you dive deeper and join some interest groups that gives you a special role in fleets or overall strategy. Reason why I like horde is that they give you infinite possibilities if you want to be more then just f1 monkey.
yes ... when I mention in chat that, as a content creator, I don't want to disclose ISK transfers (which is understandable), topics like RMT (Real Money Trading) and SPYING come up... It's crazy when you think about it....But it also shows the extreme fear within the allies because, in fact, the greatest ally and ISK losses were not incurred in battle but rather through spies.
@@ThisisAmi-Eveonline-xi8fb well yes, you have to understand that things like The Judge and Jay Amazingness big heists happened not long ago, not to mention some fcs flipping to goons, had a big impact on that. also trust takes time, and if you spent some time in horde and then said what you mentioned in chat people wouldn't be so untrustworthy right away.
the horde leadership takes stupidity to a hole new lvl, and theres not much of a chance i would joine any of their bigger fleets. many of the restrictions you mention are only if you joine them, but theres nothing stopping you from just going out and do some small gang pvp with friends if you so wish and look for fights. def most fighthing going on around MJ, but horde space are kinda big, so thats not only place you need to be.
another big reason to joine big alliances out in null sec are protection if you wanna do crabs with capital ships, and have protection for your stations and so on if you into industry and that kind of stuff. i enjoy the friends i play with as part of horde, but the politics and childish rules from the leadership are for sure extreamly anoying
friendship is the best ... Horde have treated me well, I must say
I remember when Kismeteer joined PH after after some time in goons. He literally said the same thing you said about spying and no one batted an eye.
tbh...i like Kismeteer ! hes a cool guy.
Considering the amount of empty space they have they should probs just have a whole region for the unverified and everywhere else is OK for main horde
Ami, if you can, give goons a try. I was part of the crowd that thought they were bad for the game until my friend invited me to come join. They are not the same as the Goonswarm of the past and aren't a net negative to null sec and EVE itself like Horde is. Toxic leadership, no fun allowed, and blobbing are Hordes standards. Are there blobs from Goons? Yes, but we are also more than happy to take fights if they will be fun even if it looks like we will lose. Why? Because its content for our members.
Keep up the great videos! Look forward to your future adventures.
As a content creator, I naturally receive many emails and even some ISK support from players across New Eden. Most of them ask me not to disclose their contributions publicly. Therefore, I prefer not to undergo an API check with this account, as my commitment is to the community, not to any particular alliance. I doubt that the Goons would let me in for 10 days without all the checks, but if they do, I'd be more than happy to make a neutral video about them, covering all the pros and cons.
Understandable! Either way I look forward to being free from Horde and making fun content wherever you go.
@@CronkerDonker will try to paint a EVE picture all over the place