Thing is, the home guy isn't going to buy an expensive gun. It's going to be harbor freight, or the Huskey from home depot. I used a harbor freight, equal to the husky to do black and clear on mustang hood. Went down and flattened well. 35-40 psi full open on product, and wide fan. I am wondering if it might have done even better if I used less pressure.
Mike, you are the first painter to talk about the difference between paint settings and home booth settings. Ive always painted full volume at home just like everyone says. I cut it down like you suggested to see what happens and BAM like glass. Holy Moly! Thank you thank you!!!!!!!
good gun good settings and diy at home good paint job. thanks for that get lots of hate good to hear from someone who actually tried it. OMG some guys write hate comments and never do anything. ha ha. cracks me up.
Ughh... it's horrible how stubborn we are at times. What you've pointed out makes the most sense..... if you're in a home setting, stop trying to paint like you're in a professional booth! Gun settings, viscosity, etc will differ... has to differ because of the overspray. I bought high solids thinking it'll be better, but overlooked the pressure it takes to push it. I got a trick for that now. Thanks!
Thank You a lot. I'm fighting against orange peel in my garage. Job is already done but I've put massive effort to buff that orange peel. Now after watching Your video I see my faults. I can't wait to check Your tips in next paint job. Thank You!!
Thanks a million for sharing your knowledge with those of us that needs it, never mind about the PROFESSORS who already know and are only interested in contesting your knowledge.
You right about lighting in a home garage. I cleared a car and have sporadic orange peal due to lighting. Maybe some surface temp irregularities being late evening.
This is good advice. I have sprayed cars in my garage and I am just in the middle of doing a couple of motorcycles. On my cheap HVLP spray gun it's about 5-7" away, 30-35psi with a 5" fan. I used DuPont Chromaclear 7500s (excellent stuff, not sold anymore). About to try Valspar on my next tank. I gather the more expensive guns use less PSI and atomize much better. Last time I painted was 25 years ago with the old siphon-feed guns. Definitely hard to see unless you have industrial strength fans.
Thanks for these tips! I will be using them when I paint my hood. I painted a car pretty darn well 25 years ago with an old high pressure gun. Bought a HVLP for this job and hadn't a clue how to set it up to paint in a garage setting.
Great video, thank you for sharing this information. I think you did an excellent job pointing out the differences between painting in a booth and painting in your garage. I have done both, so I can attest to what you were saying. And don't listen to those nitwits. Everybody always has something to say on UA-cam, and everyone thinks that only their way is right. It's all about the end result. It's so strange why so many experienced painters cannot accept that. Keep On Truckin!
PS, Mike, My only surviving asset is my 80'x80' shop with lifts and my huge spray booth. You really got me over my unwarranted fears, not being a computer user much, I have to take my 4 decades of knowledge and look at several you-tube videos to assimilate bits of each to arrive at the "right answer" for me, and I can't thank you enough for restoring , my faith in the few GOOD GUY''S left! One shot, all there. WOW, and I too can use a Harbor Gun or my Devilbus guns, or a roller. I think it's call technique and experience! Again, I bow to the KING!, Lee
I have the Eastwood Elite - I'll try lower pressure spraying but I generally clear in the garage at 28 psi. 3 box fans pushing. Not overalls, but panel painting. The overspray isn't that bad with the fans. Its hard to image spraying at 14 psi but I'll experiment. Thanks for the idea.
Im a painter over 23 yrs in our shop .phil.eagle auto shop located here in saipan u.s.a,,nothing to do to avoid orange feel in the clearcoat ,just use the good spray gun like sata or iwata that has fine nozzle,1.2 or,1.3 mm ,add a little amount of reducer or thinner , thats it,,
there is always a degree of it but minimal when you have everything set up right. but too much it cant even be sanded out totally flat. Sounds like your right there with that setup.
I always do a 1.2 tip te20 2 winds out on fluid. Fan turned in 1/4 turn. 1.7bar. And depending on the vehicles finish a fist away for glassy clear. And fist and a thumb away for more Orange peel. Love my prolite te20 so predictable of a gun consistent results
I sprayed my first panel last weekend in my garage, and boy did I hear it from my neighbours! The cloud of vapours and overspray was nasty. 0/10, do not recommend. Small parts it wasn’t a problem, but panels, ugh. Got a couple of bumpers to do still, so will try your hints. Thank you
I'm a DIY spray painter, and getting orgage peel, did more than I should to get that perfect no orange peel finish. I watched countless videos, change to bigger air lines, diaphragm regulator, professional moisture traps and i never could get the perfect finish. Checked my technique and distance, temperatures etc etc. I had a half decent gun, the Devilbiss gti etc. I thought if other people online are getting a perfect finish from same gun, it must be something else, and this continued for a number of years. So I finally figured out how to get that awesome off the guy peel. What solved my issue is getting a great spray gun. I purchased the Iwata ws400, full fan, full fluid at 4 inches and 36psi. I know the WS400 is an expensive gun, for a DIY but that's all it took for me to get that flat off the run finish. I never got that great peel off my GTI pro (same as this gun in video). Even if i am lazy wit h thus gun the finish is awesome. So in my case it was 10-20% technique the rest equipment. If I could tell you diy guys who are just starting you need an expensive gun to get a perfect finish. If I use this advice the i first started I wouldn't be watching all these videos and i would have spent way less money. The gun is expensive but the amount of time and consumables you save on, it makes the expensive guns worth it.
absolutely. need that gun. then the rest is polishing. But you need a pretty good finish to get the peel to smooth out with polishing. If it is too much peel on a super flat surface like that vw bus it will never sand out smooth.
Good video. thanks. I have had fairly good results with my set up for anyone that wants to duplicate it. I have a Ampro 6025 Gun with a 1.2 tip. I use Nason 422-50 sealer, Nason Ful Base coat and Nason 498-00 Clear. Only use sealer on straight panels. It is not a building primer that you can block sand. I spray at 30 psi full fluid and full fan. The gun I use is crap compared to a legit gun but It was in my price range. I built a paint booth out of 2x4s and covered it in 6 mil plastic from the hardware store. I put 6 exhaust box fans on one side of the booth that I covered with approved paint filters that you can buy from ebay for 50 bucks for 100 of them. The other side of the booth I put 6 filtered intakes and hung lights at each 4 corners of the booth. I have a video of my first booth I made but have since made a better one. I will upload it some time. The booth works well for no bugs or dust. The exhaust filters catch tons of overspray that would have landed on stuff. My work usually passes as factory paint jobs Nothing fancy or show quality but pretty nice.
Nice socks!!! I am a professional autobody tech, currently for 17 years. I have done stuff in my basement and outside. currently setting up a 12x20 garage to start doing more cars. I have learned that if you have a completely enclosed area in a basement or garage (No Drafts). And only 1 window open to blow out. Put intake filters on the box fans blowing towards and from what you are painting you can lay out a pretty decent paint job. I have subscribed I will post videos on my work in time. Starting middle of next month.
Just what I was looking for… Car HPLV spray painting for dummies! It doesn’t matter how good your equipment or how long you’ve been doing it if you don’t understand the physics. So what’s different with clear coat that you’ll benefit from using a different spray gun. Other than the cleanliness factor that is. Thanks for the schooling!
yeah lol. If you run them wide open at home it does get a little too crazy. When you are surrounded by a stationary mist after doing one coat on a door, a standard half mask probably ant ganna cut it. I like how you mentioned the neighbors, people just don't give a shit like they should. I spray mostly smaller items outside in a big pop up tent booth, and even with I try really hard to be doing that when the next door people are inside or not around!
I painted my truck in my front yard stupid neighbors all coming over here complaining all I could say was shut up they are over 100 feet away I wasn’t getting any over spray on the cars they just wanna complain to complain
@@Justthemow well... I mean you are literally spraying the most toxic stuff you could possibly do. In the summertime that stuff can travel a long ways in the breeze. I don't blame them. Especially people with brand new cars, or they have their windows open with fans on blowing in. You did the entire truck? Or just a couple little spits? Clear coating an entire truck... yeah I could see complaining. I did my roof and I had to be VERY tactical to paint when people weren't outside or paying attention. Primer and base aren't bad, its the dang clearcoat.
@@glytch5 my whole truck in early fall and it can’t travel over 100 feet away unless I’m just spraying it up in the air like a jacktard and if it was so toxic I’d be dead back in the 90s I did prep and primer for a body shop and wet sanding prep and was learning how to spray before I quit and never had a respiratory system or even mask I’d be long dead if it was so toxic
@@Justthemow Have you ever seen the bopal disaster documentary? That is what you are spraying. Its literally pesticides. Unless you aren't spraying 2k.
Mike, Thanks for video. I have painted a few vehicles. I striped them down to bare metal and went from there. I am not a car paint guy though. I do know how to spray because I had my own furniture refinishing business for 8 years. I know there is some differences and that is not why I am posting this comment. What the refinishing did was allow me to learn how to spray with all kinds of different guns and caps/tips. For the people who say that you can get just a good finish of any kind out of a cheap gun, good luck with that. I had and still do have probably around $5,000 or more just in spray guns. If the professionals could get a good enough spray job out of the cheapies, why would they buy the more expensive guns? I can tell you why.......better finish and speed. If they could, they would. It would save everyone a lot of money.
David B Can't argue with what you are saying about the quality of the gun, but many of us who enjoy fooling around with cars, bikes or whatever can't justify spending $400.00 on a gun just to spray clear with. Myself, I haven't painted a car in over 48 years and am getting into a few retirement projects I have picked up over the tears. So how do you get a decent clear spray with a cheaper gun?
Mike, I didnt't know I had a clone! Rarely, (NO, NEVER) today does a guy with the same life and comments, adjusting to today's equipment, and nay-sayers, hear ALL said "right" to me. I'm Good too, just 56! DOB 8/61 Awesome! Health issuses and other pursuits have had me gun-shy, but, you my brother, made my day! And didn't have to embarrass my onlookers with your verbiege. It can be done, clean on the car and the mouth. WELL DONE!!!, Lee
Thanks for the video, here’s my situation of a fence painter, Noobie. Need help with the details. I’m finishing 13 30”x48” unfinished butcher block table tops, lots of diff grain patterns in the wood. New HF gravity gun, and I’m an anal gun cleaner between attempts , drilled it out to 0.2mm Using Varathane gloss Poly reduced 5% with Temperature 75-80 deg. I’m setting gun pressure with a gun regulator set to 25 lbs The fan fan looks good, (even) about 6” wide 8” from surface. The last try gave me some ugly orange peal, I’m lost at setting flow, need help. Thanks hope I can learn to do this before the 1.5” thick tops are sanded down to 1/5” because of my futile approach of a good finish. Hager
ive had good luck HF guns. its experience more than anything. putting the can of clear in a bucket of hot water for an hour before you spray it helps it flow and lay down better in colder months. but a good gun makes it a lot easier for sure.
Yea We used to use a hot plate in the winter on very low. For a cheap price the HF gun is great for the first timer But they dont really last. I have a video on just that. But they also dont spray as fine as the really good guns. I never understood until I got one and now I wont ever use a cheap gun. They just dont work as good. Hey for a cheap first time you can do a decent spray job with HF gun and small compressor better than not painting it.
Mike, thanks for the very useful/informative video; I have a small fortune in guns (2) Iwata W400,s 1.3 and 1.4 I only spray my vehicles and really don,t want to spend another $500-600 for another gun; I/m spraying outside (no room in the garage"!! which w400 Bellaria would you recommend-Iwata w400 1.3 lv2 air cap--- or the w400 Bellaria 1.4 with the ba4-2 air cap; I,m new at this which is why I purchased a decent pair of guns from Iwata- what settings would you recommend for spraying single stage acrylic enamel- and your recommended med solids 4:1 clear 4-6" distance from the panel; it,s a 1970 chevy c-10 pick up long quarter panels; any advice would surely help me get a better finish; appreciate your video,s and your information; THANK,S PJP
Good video if u have a gal of clear how much do u usually go through when u spray a car? I just sprayed my car and I just used half of gal I'm not sure if I should sand it and spray more on it?
hey Mike. thanks for these videos. I have the 5000b rp and the tekna, both are amazingly good guns. got my sata on a special deal for $400. can't go wrong with either of these guns. I'd have to give the edge to the devillbiss in value for the money, due to the extras you get with it. thanks for the vids and info, some people have the attention span of a gnat. Good job on the bus!
yea I almost won a sata like that. thanks for the positive comment. When you just do it all the time it is hard to think about what you do. Then I started thinking and got the videos better and more understandable. This video makes the most sense. I made it when I saw the interest in the first one.
yea thanks for that. If they know how hard it is to put 35 years of knowledge in a video and not forget anything they just dont get it. I am not a video expert just a guy trying to explain something I have done most of my life.
If you want a challenge...............bloke wanted me to paint his car..............,said he had the paint and the colour was a perfect match. I turned up to find he. Has half of a one gallon tin of enamel house paint, and the thinners he bought was distillate from the local garage! What did I tell him???? Stavros
Mike: I've done a few garage paintings, and they've turned out pretty good. Of course I have to do put in a bit of elbow grease after to finish the job (wet sanding and buffing). I want to do my motorcycle, but I will be air brushing a bit of graphics on it. After the base coats are on, I will be doing some air brushing over the base. It could be days or up to a week before clearing over my base and graphics. Will the clear bite on the base after leaving the base that long? Sanding would be out of the question, due to the careful shadows and blending of my graphics; besides, I might be using a metallic base. Thanx
you should coat with intercoat clear. House of color makes one. it is a basecoat that is clear. you can sand it before you put urethane over it. you can clear over your hand painted stuff then sand that. yes you are right about your concerns.
Mike, I am going to attempt my first paint job of my pickup. I purchased the Harbor Freight HVLP because I didn't want to make a big investment until I see how I'll do. It appears as long as I keep a further distance from truck and use a lower (14-16lb) pressure I should be ok. Agree?Please ignore the asshole trolls too, I appreciate the video.
awsome I had to boot off some guys who swear they can get a perfect finish with a harbor freight gun. Ha ha. i have 2 of them and they dont spray clear like a good gun. I usually can spray with almost any gun and get a good finish. But to get a near perfect finish in clear you need a good gun decent air pressure and technique
I have yet to do a good test with it. Night and day as far as machining quality and ease of cleaning. Sprays epoxy smooth at like half the air pressure of the ATD gun. I think the supernova is a step up from mine, the lph400.
Project: the detached hatch from a 4door honda civic. Gun: Harbor Freight - Professional Gun. Location: Back yard - OUTSIDE Forecast: COLD. Feb/March Compressor: 2.5HP 21Gal Problem: clearcoat pealed off. Base coat exposed. So,... MIKE... what are my odds? Use medium solids clear? and keep in a heated blanket? What am I going to run into? Let me know. thanks
Hey, partner. I really appreciate the video. You make some really good points, and you're obviously very experienced. But, holy cow, you need to stay on point. Too many diversions, footnotes and repetition.
Good info. So why not just tell us what to do, not what not to do. "if you are using a 4-1 not a 2-1" OR not a 3-1 or 49-3 or 5-3 ... just tell us. @9:47 in the video. I would love to hear you explain the use of the flow and pressure without telling us what not. Thanks for the info. You are good. Keep the videos coming, just a bit more refined.
He actually did tell you but he omitted information in order to drill down to the key issue. Clears with higher hardener ratios are usually high solids, which he specifically did not reccomend using this technique on. So he was excluding those for that reason, just not making the connection.
Very good vid, but a bit of a of a "missinformation" is that you can spray a panel totaly flat. It is actualy impossible since the gun technicaly cant achieve a totaly "flat" finish. There is always some taxture/wavines even on a flat layed hood. Anyways great vid
well Close is what I was talking about. close enough to color sand and buff it totally smooth. If you leave too much peel it is really or even impossible to sand it totally smooth. Just makes really big peel.
@@Mikefngarage i totaly understand what you ment, dont get me wrong, i just commented as info for the diyers, as many then make the mistake of pumping the clear on to heavy. Use my iwata supernova for as flat a finish as possible, but for matching peel (and the speed since i have to paint 4-5 cars a day at our shop) i use the x5500
yea for sure I have other videos on just that. I like Matrix and my favorite is a house brand at drew carriage paints in Montclair called multiclear. Lays down really smooth.
i've been using omni plus the last few years. it flows and lays pretty nice i think. if you do happen to get some dirt its scuffs and buffs pretty nice. used color extra for awhile, it didn't seem to flow well, and hard to get it to lay down. been thinking of trying the Zip, but im pretty happy with the omni plus.
they dont seem to last too long i agree, like a good gun. devilbiss is about the best in my opinion. the one i have it sprays by itself lol. seems to adjust better than HF. its one of those things that the more you spray the more you learn kinda thing.
True true. tekna prolite a must have for sure just to have a good gun. But the HF 15 spray gun works well for the price. I cant argue that. I have a HF gun for stuff that I dont care about like frame painting gas tank. or squiring the finder wells the machined surface between the tapered tip and nozzle wears out fast and messes up the fan though then trash can it goes. You might want to invest in one of those Sprayit LVLP instead of the HF guns. they are about 50 online. They dont have that tapered fit air cap. Decent design and better spray options than the HF tools gun.
try the house brand multiclear from Drew carriage paints in montclair ca. Have them ship it to you if needed. The Omni has solvent trap issues when you get runs (turns white). Also doesnt last as long as some others. Had failures with it. I can say you will be impressed with the house brand stuff. Flows like super good high end stuff and buffs like glass. Product I used on that van behind.
Why you have to hate ? The guy not getting paid to make this video he's trying to help people who don't know don't hate bro I mean I don't see you trying to help 😕
gravity feed v suction feed boy try and and get the same finish with a suction feed you might try an iwata or sata though devilbis is old and very course spray there is a notable difference just sayin. professional painter for twenty five years you need to talk about thinning , catalyst ratio's as well for DIY use the correct measurement stick take temperature into account as well all contribute to a great finish if done properly still a good video thanks
I'm trying to learn how to paint a car and I've got everything down from sand grit to air compressor to base and clear coat and paint gun to dry time ; however I've ran into a new obstacle 50percent of videos basically teach how to wet sand primer with 500 grit to prep for paint and the other 50 percentage of the videos just teach how sanding clear coat is good enough to paint base coat on . What do I do to paint my entire car ? Do I even need primer ? Could someone please let me know .
primer is not always necessary. If you have good paint but want to repaint then you can sand with 400 to 600 grit and paint over what you have. If the clear coat is delaminated or flaking you will need primer over those areas. 400 is for solid color and 600 is for metallic base coat clear. you can even go to 320 if you are using urethane single stage.
Good video but really get to the point....a diy will not have a gun like that anyway ...you were about to get to the point then stopped half way and back to how great the gun is and repeating repeating
xjs2 the settings are pretty much the same as he says....just if youre putting on normally 2 clear coats....on your last coat, after you spray each panel, while it's still wet, back up to about 6-8 inches away and angle your gun, justttt a little tiny bit and hit each wet panel at about twice the speed your normal coats are....this should give an even, what is called "drop coat, or presentation coat".....only when panel painting though...ex. clear a fender like normal....then drop coat....move to the door, clear as normal, drop coat...move to the qtr...clear as normal, drop coat...etc....hope it helps a little....it did for me
I to am using Glasurit HS clear at a shop i recently started working at, and i am struggling with the clear! Ive shot other clears with my Prolite, but this stuff just won't lay down for me the way id like it to! Ive tried going from 30psi, to 22psi, now around 24-25psi, but cant get it just right... Did you end up figuring out the sweet spot? Which Glasurit you spraying? Im spraying the 923-210 clear
Really DIY being concerned about neighbors and don’t use high solids clear. Totally disagree. Somewhere in this vide is a point, just get to the point. The VW does look great. Custom painters I know for vehicles use HOK or PPG. Warm the clear, reduce it, use high quality product, open the fan and shoot it. Hey 90% of the time you’ll need to cut and buff it. You’re gonna get dust and nibs in the garage vs the booth. Nobody is shooting single stage anymore its base coat clear coat.
what about the marine/ saltwater clear? I hate tamco , their 7600 sucks but did you see they have the "hi-impact clear"? don't get their high speed versions that are 1 hour or 35 minutes for drying, it's garbage from my experience with 7600 but their 12 hour version for hi-impact might work, it says it lasts 20 years in the data sheet
😂🤣😆 Acrylic enamel is like as old school as you can go without going with lacquer paint! Man, get with the times!! Acrylic enamel doesnt even come close in comparison to any quality 2K clear coat...
I've seen cars 10 -12 years old with failed clearcoat peeling off with factory paint. In many ways the old single stage was better as the clear was all the way thru the color and could be brought back if oxidized, weathered. I am doing my 86 Mustang with acrylic enamel plus and optional coat of acrylic enamel clear. Iwata W 400 for the clear.
Good video Mike ! You brag a lot about that gun that is great and less expansive but... you don't say how much it cost : ( ! Please spare us the google search and tell how much it cost, at least ! Talk about price comparison... PS : your suggestion followup link is dead ! Please correct it or delete it.
Are you kidding me? I can have my car repainted by Maaco for $300, then you are asking me to spend $5k for just the spray gun and do the hard work? Oh my my my.
Wait till you see what you get at maaco. Then you will say oh oh my. You can use a cheaper gun but to get a flat panel with no orange peep it takes a good gun. A cheap gun can achieve a nice finish but a good gun does it easier and a bit nicer.
$5K for a spray gun? What are you talking about!? I think you misunderstood something... Maaco is garbage btw! Might aswell get a foam roller from the Dollar store and a can of Tremclad or Rustoleum, and go to town.
I don't know about macco in the states but I had a car painted at macco in Canada. I couldn't believe how good it turned out! This was around 20 years ago on my very first used car. 1989 cavalier. I bought it used for Canadian $800, and the macco job was around $800 using Ferrari red single stage paint. Looked awesome. It didn't have any real rust but a couple dents here and there. The door gap had a weird gouge banged in it and they even fixed that! They did a great job I tell you. I took off some stuff for them like ground fx tho. That's equivalent to $US$920.00, in the year 2020.
Here is another video on this subject.
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Mike F the link takes me to my channel ?? Thanks cool colors on the van.
Thing is, the home guy isn't going to buy an expensive gun. It's going to be harbor freight, or the Huskey from home depot. I used a harbor freight, equal to the husky to do black and clear on mustang hood. Went down and flattened well. 35-40 psi full open on product, and wide fan. I am wondering if it might have done even better if I used less pressure.
Mike, you are the first painter to talk about the difference between paint settings and home booth settings. Ive always painted full volume at home just like everyone says. I cut it down like you suggested to see what happens and BAM like glass. Holy Moly!
Thank you thank you!!!!!!!
good gun good settings and diy at home good paint job. thanks for that get lots of hate good to hear from someone who actually tried it. OMG some guys write hate comments and never do anything. ha ha. cracks me up.
Good video..been a painter for 25 yrs..i always listen to different painters..pick and choose from what they say..
Ughh... it's horrible how stubborn we are at times. What you've pointed out makes the most sense..... if you're in a home setting, stop trying to paint like you're in a professional booth! Gun settings, viscosity, etc will differ... has to differ because of the overspray. I bought high solids thinking it'll be better, but overlooked the pressure it takes to push it. I got a trick for that now.
Thanks!
yea for sure and whatever you cant get smooth you make up for sand and buff.
Thank You a lot. I'm fighting against orange peel in my garage. Job is already done but I've put massive effort to buff that orange peel. Now after watching Your video I see my faults. I can't wait to check Your tips in next paint job. Thank You!!
Thanks a million for sharing your knowledge with those of us that needs it, never mind about the PROFESSORS who already know and are only interested in contesting your knowledge.
You right about lighting in a home garage. I cleared a car and have sporadic orange peal due to lighting. Maybe some surface temp irregularities being late evening.
This is good advice. I have sprayed cars in my garage and I am just in the middle of doing a couple of motorcycles. On my cheap HVLP spray gun it's about 5-7" away, 30-35psi with a 5" fan. I used DuPont Chromaclear 7500s (excellent stuff, not sold anymore). About to try Valspar on my next tank. I gather the more expensive guns use less PSI and atomize much better. Last time I painted was 25 years ago with the old siphon-feed guns. Definitely hard to see unless you have industrial strength fans.
try the Tamco clear online it is much better and less expensive if you didnt buy it yet. super hard and sprays like glass.
Thanks for these tips! I will be using them when I paint my hood. I painted a car pretty darn well 25 years ago with an old high pressure gun. Bought a HVLP for this job and hadn't a clue how to set it up to paint in a garage setting.
Great video, thank you for sharing this information. I think you did an excellent job pointing out the differences between painting in a booth and painting in your garage. I have done both, so I can attest to what you were saying. And don't listen to those nitwits. Everybody always has something to say on UA-cam, and everyone thinks that only their way is right. It's all about the end result. It's so strange why so many experienced painters cannot accept that. Keep On Truckin!
One youtuber to another Im in the same boat ... retired painter from 1980's and things have changed ..thumbs up
i paint at home, i use a old Sata HVLP 1.4 adjusted 1 turn in from wide open. using High solid clear and 10 percent reducer. works great
Thanks for all the advice you have provided. I will attempt to put it to work on my LR3 and my 1974 MGB.
PS,
Mike, My only surviving asset is my 80'x80' shop with lifts and my huge spray booth. You really got me over my unwarranted fears, not being a computer user much, I have to take my 4 decades of knowledge and look at several you-tube videos to assimilate bits of each to arrive at the "right answer" for me, and I can't thank you enough for restoring , my faith in the few GOOD GUY''S left! One shot, all there. WOW, and I too can use a Harbor Gun or my Devilbus guns, or a roller. I think it's call technique and experience! Again, I bow to the KING!, Lee
thank you so much for the wonderful and positive comment.
I have the Eastwood Elite - I'll try lower pressure spraying but I generally clear in the garage at 28 psi. 3 box fans pushing. Not overalls, but panel painting. The overspray isn't that bad with the fans. Its hard to image spraying at 14 psi but I'll experiment. Thanks for the idea.
Forget the haters! Good advice. Thanks for talking the time...
Great explanation, I'll be spraying my 70 Mustang in my garage, and I was going to be open all the way, but now I know better!
It just depends on the gun you have to if you have a smaller gun you can open it up but watch out that over spray can make you not be able to see
Great info Mike thank you. For anyone who returns to this video like I do the gun setting time stamp is 8:40
Great video/tips since I’m learning how to paint my own car.
Im a painter over 23 yrs in our shop .phil.eagle auto shop located here in saipan u.s.a,,nothing to do to avoid orange feel in the clearcoat ,just use the good spray gun like sata or iwata that has fine nozzle,1.2 or,1.3 mm ,add a little amount of reducer or thinner , thats it,,
there is always a degree of it but minimal when you have everything set up right. but too much it cant even be sanded out totally flat. Sounds like your right there with that setup.
mike i can see you know your spray well.
gd skill, beautiful paint work.
thank you.... for the positive outlook I have heard all kinds of both sides and lots of hate nice to hear something good.
I always do a 1.2 tip te20 2 winds out on fluid. Fan turned in 1/4 turn. 1.7bar. And depending on the vehicles finish a fist away for glassy clear. And fist and a thumb away for more Orange peel. Love my prolite te20 so predictable of a gun consistent results
sounds like a perfect setup.
I sprayed my first panel last weekend in my garage, and boy did I hear it from my neighbours! The cloud of vapours and overspray was nasty. 0/10, do not recommend.
Small parts it wasn’t a problem, but panels, ugh.
Got a couple of bumpers to do still, so will try your hints. Thank you
I'm a DIY spray painter, and getting orgage peel, did more than I should to get that perfect no orange peel finish. I watched countless videos, change to bigger air lines, diaphragm regulator, professional moisture traps and i never could get the perfect finish. Checked my technique and distance, temperatures etc etc.
I had a half decent gun, the Devilbiss gti etc. I thought if other people online are getting a perfect finish from same gun, it must be something else, and this continued for a number of years.
So I finally figured out how to get that awesome off the guy peel.
What solved my issue is getting a great spray gun. I purchased the Iwata ws400, full fan, full fluid at 4 inches and 36psi.
I know the WS400 is an expensive gun, for a DIY but that's all it took for me to get that flat off the run finish.
I never got that great peel off my GTI pro (same as this gun in video).
Even if i am lazy wit h thus gun the finish is awesome.
So in my case it was 10-20% technique the rest equipment. If I could tell you diy guys who are just starting you need an expensive gun to get a perfect finish. If I use this advice the
i first started I wouldn't be watching all these videos and i would have spent way less money.
The gun is expensive but the amount of time and consumables you save on, it makes the expensive guns worth it.
absolutely. need that gun. then the rest is polishing. But you need a pretty good finish to get the peel to smooth out with polishing. If it is too much peel on a super flat surface like that vw bus it will never sand out smooth.
I have 2 tekna prolites and they spray great!
Good video. thanks. I have had fairly good results with my set up for anyone that wants to duplicate it. I have a Ampro 6025 Gun with a 1.2 tip. I use Nason 422-50 sealer, Nason Ful Base coat and Nason 498-00 Clear. Only use sealer on straight panels. It is not a building primer that you can block sand. I spray at 30 psi full fluid and full fan. The gun I use is crap compared to a legit gun but It was in my price range. I built a paint booth out of 2x4s and covered it in 6 mil plastic from the hardware store. I put 6 exhaust box fans on one side of the booth that I covered with approved paint filters that you can buy from ebay for 50 bucks for 100 of them. The other side of the booth I put 6 filtered intakes and hung lights at each 4 corners of the booth. I have a video of my first booth I made but have since made a better one. I will upload it some time. The booth works well for no bugs or dust. The exhaust filters catch tons of overspray that would have landed on stuff. My work usually passes as factory paint jobs Nothing fancy or show quality but pretty nice.
Nice socks!!! I am a professional autobody tech, currently for 17 years. I have done stuff in my basement and outside. currently setting up a 12x20 garage to start doing more cars. I have learned that if you have a completely enclosed area in a basement or garage (No Drafts). And only 1 window open to blow out. Put intake filters on the box fans blowing towards and from what you are painting you can lay out a pretty decent paint job. I have subscribed I will post videos on my work in time. Starting middle of next month.
Thanks for the insight and clarification on the difference of a booth and not.
Just what I was looking for… Car HPLV spray painting for dummies! It doesn’t matter how good your equipment or how long you’ve been doing it if you don’t understand the physics. So what’s different with clear coat that you’ll benefit from using a different spray gun. Other than the cleanliness factor that is.
Thanks for the schooling!
yeah lol. If you run them wide open at home it does get a little too crazy. When you are surrounded by a stationary mist after doing one coat on a door, a standard half mask probably ant ganna cut it. I like how you mentioned the neighbors, people just don't give a shit like they should. I spray mostly smaller items outside in a big pop up tent booth, and even with I try really hard to be doing that when the next door people are inside or not around!
I painted my truck in my front yard stupid neighbors all coming over here complaining all I could say was shut up they are over 100 feet away I wasn’t getting any over spray on the cars they just wanna complain to complain
@@Justthemow well... I mean you are literally spraying the most toxic stuff you could possibly do. In the summertime that stuff can travel a long ways in the breeze. I don't blame them. Especially people with brand new cars, or they have their windows open with fans on blowing in. You did the entire truck? Or just a couple little spits? Clear coating an entire truck... yeah I could see complaining. I did my roof and I had to be VERY tactical to paint when people weren't outside or paying attention. Primer and base aren't bad, its the dang clearcoat.
@@glytch5 my whole truck in early fall and it can’t travel over 100 feet away unless I’m just spraying it up in the air like a jacktard and if it was so toxic I’d be dead back in the 90s I did prep and primer for a body shop and wet sanding prep and was learning how to spray before I quit and never had a respiratory system or even mask I’d be long dead if it was so toxic
@@Justthemow Have you ever seen the bopal disaster documentary? That is what you are spraying. Its literally pesticides. Unless you aren't spraying 2k.
Does the colour spray have orange peel, or the clear because when it’s sanded it’s clear on the clear but the paint isn’t
Mike, Thanks for video. I have painted a few vehicles. I striped them down to bare metal and went from there. I am not a car paint guy though. I do know how to spray because I had my own furniture refinishing business for 8 years. I know there is some differences and that is not why I am posting this comment. What the refinishing did was allow me to learn how to spray with all kinds of different guns and caps/tips.
For the people who say that you can get just a good finish of any kind out of a cheap gun, good luck with that. I had and still do have probably around $5,000 or more just in spray guns. If the professionals could get a good enough spray job out of the cheapies, why would they buy the more expensive guns? I can tell you why.......better finish and speed. If they could, they would. It would save everyone a lot of money.
thanks for your input. you are right if there was a way to get it to look perfect all the time with a cheap gun the good ones would never sell.
David B
Can't argue with what you are saying about the quality of the gun, but many of us who enjoy fooling around with cars, bikes or whatever can't justify spending $400.00 on a gun just to spray clear with. Myself, I haven't painted a car in over 48 years and am getting into a few retirement projects I have picked up over the tears. So how do you get a decent clear spray with a cheaper gun?
Mike,
I didnt't know I had a clone! Rarely, (NO, NEVER) today does a guy with the same life and comments, adjusting to today's equipment, and nay-sayers, hear ALL said "right" to me. I'm Good too, just 56! DOB 8/61 Awesome!
Health issuses and other pursuits have had me gun-shy, but, you my brother, made my day! And didn't have to embarrass my onlookers with your verbiege. It can be done, clean on the car and the mouth. WELL DONE!!!, Lee
Thanks Mike, lots of helpful information!! Much appreciated!
Thank you for sharing this. Lots of good tips! Help me out alot.
Thanks for the video, here’s my situation of a fence painter, Noobie. Need help with the details.
I’m finishing 13 30”x48” unfinished butcher block table tops, lots of diff grain patterns in the wood.
New HF gravity gun, and I’m an anal gun cleaner between attempts , drilled it out to 0.2mm
Using Varathane gloss Poly reduced 5% with
Temperature 75-80 deg.
I’m setting gun pressure with a gun regulator set to 25 lbs
The fan fan looks good, (even) about 6” wide 8” from surface.
The last try gave me some ugly orange peal, I’m lost at setting flow, need help.
Thanks hope I can learn to do this before the 1.5” thick tops are sanded down to 1/5” because of my futile approach of a good finish.
Hager
ive had good luck HF guns. its experience more than anything. putting the can of clear in a bucket of hot water for an hour before you spray it helps it flow and lay down better in colder months. but a good gun makes it a lot easier for sure.
Yea We used to use a hot plate in the winter on very low. For a cheap price the HF gun is great for the first timer But they dont really last. I have a video on just that. But they also dont spray as fine as the really good guns. I never understood until I got one and now I wont ever use a cheap gun. They just dont work as good. Hey for a cheap first time you can do a decent spray job with HF gun and small compressor better than not painting it.
You should take a silver or black pin stripe on that two-tone van.
Get to the point quicker
Sam Kpz man I said the same thing🤦🏾♂️
Very very boring
Can we talk about painting please haha
He should rehearse and then record. Way to much of nothing
I disagree. He was covering all of the details so you can understand how to dial it in.
It would be nice to have less talk and some actual demonstration of what is being discussed.
Mike, thanks for the very useful/informative video; I have a small fortune in guns (2) Iwata W400,s 1.3 and 1.4 I only spray my vehicles and really don,t want to spend another $500-600 for another gun; I/m spraying outside (no room in the garage"!! which w400 Bellaria would you recommend-Iwata w400 1.3 lv2 air cap--- or the w400 Bellaria 1.4 with the ba4-2 air cap; I,m new at this which is why I purchased a decent pair of guns from Iwata- what settings would you recommend for spraying single stage acrylic enamel- and your recommended med solids 4:1 clear 4-6" distance from the panel; it,s a 1970 chevy c-10 pick up long quarter panels; any advice would surely help me get a better finish; appreciate your video,s and your information; THANK,S PJP
Good video if u have a gal of clear how much do u usually go through when u spray a car? I just sprayed my car and I just used half of gal I'm not sure if I should sand it and spray more on it?
hey Mike. thanks for these videos. I have the 5000b rp and the tekna, both are amazingly good guns. got my sata on a special deal for $400. can't go wrong with either of these guns. I'd have to give the edge to the devillbiss in value for the money, due to the extras you get with it. thanks for the vids and info, some people have the attention span of a gnat. Good job on the bus!
yea I almost won a sata like that. thanks for the positive comment. When you just do it all the time it is hard to think about what you do. Then I started thinking and got the videos better and more understandable. This video makes the most sense. I made it when I saw the interest in the first one.
GREAT VID! EFF THE HATERS! IM A 20YR MECHANIC. THESE YOUNG FOOLS HAVE SHORT ATTENTION SPANS.
yea thanks for that. If they know how hard it is to put 35 years of knowledge in a video and not forget anything they just dont get it. I am not a video expert just a guy trying to explain something I have done most of my life.
GET ON WITH IT!!!!
thanks vdery good info
If you want a challenge...............bloke wanted me to paint his car..............,said he had the paint and the colour was a perfect match.
I turned up to find he. Has half of a one gallon tin of enamel house paint, and the thinners he bought was distillate from the local garage!
What did I tell him????
Stavros
Mike: I've done a few garage paintings, and they've turned out pretty good. Of course I have to do put in a bit of elbow grease after to finish the job (wet sanding and buffing).
I want to do my motorcycle, but I will be air brushing a bit of graphics on it. After the base coats are on, I will be doing some air brushing over the base. It could be days or up to a week before clearing over my base and graphics. Will the clear bite on the base after leaving the base that long? Sanding would be out of the question, due to the careful shadows and blending of my graphics; besides, I might be using a metallic base. Thanx
you should coat with intercoat clear. House of color makes one. it is a basecoat that is clear. you can sand it before you put urethane over it. you can clear over your hand painted stuff then sand that. yes you are right about your concerns.
Thanx mike
Mike, I am going to attempt my first paint job of my pickup. I purchased the Harbor Freight HVLP because I didn't want to make a big investment until I see how I'll do. It appears as long as I keep a further distance from truck and use a lower (14-16lb) pressure I should be ok. Agree?Please ignore the asshole trolls too, I appreciate the video.
Thanks man, great advice from your experience. I'll be trying my first DIY job soon, 1970 MGB. I ordered an Iwata LPH400.
awsome I had to boot off some guys who swear they can get a perfect finish with a harbor freight gun. Ha ha. i have 2 of them and they dont spray clear like a good gun. I usually can spray with almost any gun and get a good finish. But to get a near perfect finish in clear you need a good gun decent air pressure and technique
If they can, more power to 'em. I couldn't even get SPI epoxy to atomize well with an ATD gun so I'm stepping up.
I would like to try that Supernova too. Hear it is really good clear gun.
I have yet to do a good test with it. Night and day as far as machining quality and ease of cleaning. Sprays epoxy smooth at like half the air pressure of the ATD gun. I think the supernova is a step up from mine, the lph400.
all good guns.
Thank u for the teaching
thanks for taking the time to make this video good job
Is this for the home guy cuz your trying to be nice to your neighbor or cuz this is the setting period for a garage?
Just got to the end i heard the answer lmfao😆
Project: the detached hatch from a 4door honda civic.
Gun: Harbor Freight - Professional Gun.
Location: Back yard - OUTSIDE
Forecast: COLD. Feb/March
Compressor: 2.5HP 21Gal
Problem: clearcoat pealed off. Base coat exposed.
So,... MIKE... what are my odds? Use medium solids clear? and keep in a heated blanket?
What am I going to run into?
Let me know. thanks
Hey, partner. I really appreciate the video. You make some really good points, and you're obviously very experienced. But, holy cow, you need to stay on point. Too many diversions, footnotes and repetition.
Absolutely, no reason this has to be 20 minutes. And .. did we learn anything about not getting orange peel? (I think that was the original topic.)
If you want to tell the garage painter how it's done then stop referring to the booth in your YT? Demo!
I get it but some guys will be renting a booth or making one in the country so I want them to see the difference. thanks for pointing that out.
Bruh some people actually glad to know those stuff like my self
Thanks ... this was helpful
good job. thanks for the video.
Do you use a air / water separator?
Thank you very much that video was very helpful
Hello i just subscribed to your Channel Thanks for the Tips im taking Notes 👍🏼
Good info. So why not just tell us what to do, not what not to do. "if you are using a 4-1 not a 2-1" OR not a 3-1 or 49-3 or 5-3 ... just tell us. @9:47 in the video. I would love to hear you explain the use of the flow and pressure without telling us what not. Thanks for the info. You are good. Keep the videos coming, just a bit more refined.
He actually did tell you but he omitted information in order to drill down to the key issue. Clears with higher hardener ratios are usually high solids, which he specifically did not reccomend using this technique on. So he was excluding those for that reason, just not making the connection.
Very good vid, but a bit of a of a "missinformation" is that you can spray a panel totaly flat. It is actualy impossible since the gun technicaly cant achieve a totaly "flat" finish. There is always some taxture/wavines even on a flat layed hood. Anyways great vid
well Close is what I was talking about. close enough to color sand and buff it totally smooth. If you leave too much peel it is really or even impossible to sand it totally smooth. Just makes really big peel.
@@Mikefngarage i totaly understand what you ment, dont get me wrong, i just commented as info for the diyers, as many then make the mistake of pumping the clear on to heavy. Use my iwata supernova for as flat a finish as possible, but for matching peel (and the speed since i have to paint 4-5 cars a day at our shop) i use the x5500
Thanks man, lots of good info. Helped a lot.
I made a few that all have different information on them on this subject.
Nice!! I too have a bus (79').
And brand of clear you use makes a huge difference as well.
yea for sure I have other videos on just that. I like Matrix and my favorite is a house brand at drew carriage paints in Montclair called multiclear. Lays down really smooth.
i've been using omni plus the last few years. it flows and lays pretty nice i think. if you do happen to get some dirt its scuffs and buffs pretty nice. used color extra for awhile, it didn't seem to flow well, and hard to get it to lay down. been thinking of trying the Zip, but im pretty happy with the omni plus.
they dont seem to last too long i agree, like a good gun. devilbiss is about the best in my opinion. the one i have it sprays by itself lol. seems to adjust better than HF. its one of those things that the more you spray the more you learn kinda thing.
True true. tekna prolite a must have for sure just to have a good gun. But the HF 15 spray gun works well for the price. I cant argue that. I have a HF gun for stuff that I dont care about like frame painting gas tank. or squiring the finder wells the machined surface between the tapered tip and nozzle wears out fast and messes up the fan though then trash can it goes. You might want to invest in one of those Sprayit LVLP instead of the HF guns. they are about 50 online. They dont have that tapered fit air cap. Decent design and better spray options than the HF tools gun.
try the house brand multiclear from Drew carriage paints in montclair ca. Have them ship it to you if needed. The Omni has solvent trap issues when you get runs (turns white). Also doesnt last as long as some others. Had failures with it. I can say you will be impressed with the house brand stuff. Flows like super good high end stuff and buffs like glass. Product I used on that van behind.
I have the same Paint gun
What Air Cap and Tip do you Recommend
I have 110-10-20 air Caps and 1.3-1.4 tips
Thank you sir
Too much unnecessary talk
Thanks for the video, but the issue is that you were too slow in explaining and that make it too long to watch, anyway cheers for the video
Just get to the point, 19:11 minutes of video, 2:00 minutes of useful information.
Why you have to hate ? The guy not getting paid to make this video he's trying to help people who don't know don't hate bro I mean I don't see you trying to help 😕
@@kingsolomon_zr7542 I am trying to help, I'm pointing out TO GET TO THE POINT. Did you have a point? Bro?
@@dls951 can't handle it fast forward. You watching the whole thing is on you.
@@randyanderson6110 Perhaps your missing the point here numbnutz.
Can you turn down te20 to 19 psi and get no peel?
Yea I shot it the same way came out a bit smoother. The te 20 is now legal here
Maybe try the TE10 air cap
Gun will work a lot nicer with high flow air fittings
What setting would you need for a 2:1 mix ratio for clear because we are trying to achieve a good finish for clear coat we have hc-2104 euro clear
gravity feed v suction feed boy try and and get the same finish with a suction feed you might try an iwata or sata though devilbis is old and very course spray there is a notable difference just sayin. professional painter for twenty five years
you need to talk about thinning , catalyst ratio's as well for DIY use the correct measurement stick take temperature into account as well all contribute to a great finish if done properly
still a good video thanks
Good info Mike Thx
I'm trying to learn how to paint a car and I've got everything down from sand grit to air compressor to base and clear coat and paint gun to dry time ; however I've ran into a new obstacle 50percent of videos basically teach how to wet sand primer with 500 grit to prep for paint and the other 50 percentage of the videos just teach how sanding clear coat is good enough to paint base coat on . What do I do to paint my entire car ? Do I even need primer ? Could someone please let me know .
primer is not always necessary. If you have good paint but want to repaint then you can sand with 400 to 600 grit and paint over what you have. If the clear coat is delaminated or flaking you will need primer over those areas. 400 is for solid color and 600 is for metallic base coat clear. you can even go to 320 if you are using urethane single stage.
It would be better for a experienced painter with a cheap gun ,than a non experienced painter with a high end gun , js
Thank you!!
How can I avoid orange peel using a spray can? Is it possible?
Good video but really get to the point....a diy will not have a gun like that anyway ...you were about to get to the point then stopped half way and back to how great the gun is and repeating repeating
Nice job
thx mike
I raised the video speed to 1,25...
This video is not good
You talk to much about unrelated stuff. Waisting peoples time.
I didn't hear what needle you're using.
spraying high solid out of this gun is a task for me glasuirite whats your normal settings for hs clears?
xjs2 the settings are pretty much the same as he says....just if youre putting on normally 2 clear coats....on your last coat, after you spray each panel, while it's still wet, back up to about 6-8 inches away and angle your gun, justttt a little tiny bit and hit each wet panel at about twice the speed your normal coats are....this should give an even, what is called "drop coat, or presentation coat".....only when panel painting though...ex. clear a fender like normal....then drop coat....move to the door, clear as normal, drop coat...move to the qtr...clear as normal, drop coat...etc....hope it helps a little....it did for me
I to am using Glasurit HS clear at a shop i recently started working at, and i am struggling with the clear! Ive shot other clears with my Prolite, but this stuff just won't lay down for me the way id like it to!
Ive tried going from 30psi, to 22psi, now around 24-25psi, but cant get it just right...
Did you end up figuring out the sweet spot?
Which Glasurit you spraying? Im spraying the 923-210 clear
I heard it’s not the gun….
Really DIY being concerned about neighbors and don’t use high solids clear. Totally disagree. Somewhere in this vide is a point, just get to the point. The VW does look great. Custom painters I know for vehicles use HOK or PPG. Warm the clear, reduce it, use high quality product, open the fan and shoot it. Hey 90% of the time you’ll need to cut and buff it. You’re gonna get dust and nibs in the garage vs the booth. Nobody is shooting single stage anymore its base coat clear coat.
Factory cars clear lasts 10 yrs without wax.
I've yet to see any clear that will last more than 3 yrs in the sun.
My cars get acrylic enamel.
what about the marine/ saltwater clear? I hate tamco , their 7600 sucks but did you see they have the "hi-impact clear"? don't get their high speed versions that are 1 hour or 35 minutes for drying, it's garbage from my experience with 7600 but their 12 hour version for hi-impact might work, it says it lasts 20 years in the data sheet
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Acrylic enamel is like as old school as you can go without going with lacquer paint! Man, get with the times!! Acrylic enamel doesnt even come close in comparison to any quality 2K clear coat...
I've seen cars 10 -12 years old with failed clearcoat peeling off with factory paint. In many ways the old single stage was better as the clear was all the way thru the color and could be brought back if oxidized, weathered. I am doing my 86 Mustang with acrylic enamel plus and optional coat of acrylic enamel clear. Iwata W 400 for the clear.
make no mistake this was an ad
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okay i don't talk to you later lol
Good video Mike ! You brag a lot about that gun that is great and less expansive but... you don't say how much it cost : ( ! Please spare us the google search and tell how much it cost, at least ! Talk about price comparison...
PS : your suggestion followup link is dead ! Please correct it or delete it.
it is around 425 with all the air caps and the cheapest premium gun available ebay amazon and drew carriage.
Thanks...
I work in a paint supply store just sold this gun to a shop came with 2 air caps 1.2,1.3,1.4 fluid tips digital air regulator 600.00
you a pro
Are you kidding me? I can have my car repainted by Maaco for $300, then you are asking me to spend $5k for just the spray gun and do the hard work? Oh my my my.
Wait till you see what you get at maaco. Then you will say oh oh my. You can use a cheaper gun but to get a flat panel with no orange peep it takes a good gun. A cheap gun can achieve a nice finish but a good gun does it easier and a bit nicer.
$5K for a spray gun? What are you talking about!? I think you misunderstood something...
Maaco is garbage btw! Might aswell get a foam roller from the Dollar store and a can of Tremclad or Rustoleum, and go to town.
I don't know about macco in the states but I had a car painted at macco in Canada. I couldn't believe how good it turned out!
This was around 20 years ago on my very first used car. 1989 cavalier. I bought it used for Canadian $800, and the macco job was around $800 using Ferrari red single stage paint. Looked awesome.
It didn't have any real rust but a couple dents here and there. The door gap had a weird gouge banged in it and they even fixed that!
They did a great job I tell you. I took off some stuff for them like ground fx tho. That's equivalent to $US$920.00, in the year 2020.
Sata is a biggest garbage that i ever use ,Devilbiss is good gun
Blah Blah Blah...Thought you would demonstrate.
You've got the gift of gab, go into MLM and sell something.
How much is that tekna gun??
500
itraid thanks bro!!!
U talk too much ...just get to the point.