Why the RETROID POCKET 4 Pro ENRAGES me (PS2 & AYN Odin 2 rant)
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- Take this clip as a subjective, personal take on the subject. I'm annoyed at the Retro Pocket 4 Pro because it COULD HAVE been so great, had they pushed some extra horsepower into that chip.
Retroid was SO CLOSE to reaching perfect and issue-free PS2 emulation on this thing that it's simply annoying that they decided not to go the extra mile.
This would've been such a great alternative to the AYN Odin 2, but oh well. I guess we have all the more reason now to wait for the Retroid Pocket 5.
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Because it fits in my pocket
Yeah, but that was my point. Plenty of other handhelds that don't play PS2 are super pocketable.
Don't get me wrong though, if people are happy with it, then that's awesome. But I still don't get the usecase that this exact iteration of the Pocket fills (pun intended) that others can't (it's not as pocketable as dumb devices like the MM+, nor is it as performant as the Ayn Odin 2).
The point was to have a considerably priced device that can fit your pocket AND play ps2/gc decently (not perfect).
This is the reason i carry the RP3+ more than the Steam Deck or the Switch.
Precisely. Something like steam weighs 70% more than the Switch. I want something 3DS size that's preferably not 400$.
@@jjwhy321y3 Yeah... Closest we have so far to the smallest handheld with some of the most powerful emulation hardware is RP4 Pro, and it is small, but not 3DS small. I've ordered an Anbernic 35XX H for my son, and so that we have something to play in 4x3 aspect ratio that fits even better in a pocket than the RP3+.
Why would you buy the Odin 2, when the Steam Deck exist?
I ordered the RP4 for the pockablity. For more demanding games, i have the Ally. I think the RP4 is the perfect companion for the Ally or the Steam Deck. But never a replacement! (For my usecase)
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Because the Steam Deck is the size of a small child? Why do some people not take size into their consideration AT ALL?
I have a steam deck and absolutely love it, I'm also a big guy (6ft 220lbs), but even for me, the steam deck can sometimes be "too" big!
Rp4 looks like a nice little handle for the price, but given the huge leap in performance with the Odin 2, I'd say either one is fine depending on your budget!
Personally, I want an Ayaneo Slide! But man, it's $800 for the base model! Not to mention that they come out with these new handhelds so fast that they're basically obsolete as soon as they launch!
@@shecklesmack9563 thats my point. My statement was ment in a sarcastic way. Some things are just too big...^^ So is the Odin 2 in my opinion.
Because we want an actual mobile gaming device. Not something the size of an automobile with a 2 hr battery.
The biggest factor for me is the battery. 5000mAh is a complete oversight from Retroid considering that RP4 Pro will have to crank up all the cores to maximum for higher-end systems, making it run hot, and in return, you have to crank up the fan as well, taking an unusually large amount of power to run such a small device.
I saw a test stream of PS2 and the battery was down to 50% in 30 minutes. In a way that makes it less portable than a Steam Deck. I expect a revision in the next 6 months (RP4P+?) that has a better battery because that ain't it.
i expect an RP4Pro + model that fixes this oversight, as this is how retroid tends to operate.
Wrong doesn’t run hot runs ps2 & GameCube perfectly and fits in my pocket many others systems don’t come close. For 200 only 🤡 will complain chances are they don’t own or can’t afford one 🤷♂️ use case definitely matters. Really why get a Odin 2 pro at that point just get a rog ally or steamdeck and play AAA games 🙄
@@robras2850this guy gets it. You buy this thing for pocketability. Make it larger with huge batteries and whatnot and you lose the whole point of it. Just lower the PS2 graphics fidelity and you're all good. Or just buy a huge gaming handheld and complain it's not portable enough to be carried around everywhere lol
Also, yeah, what's with this whole Odin 2 craze? It costs almost like a full Windows/Steam handheld, is as large and bulky as one, but isn't as powerful or versatile. Just buy a real handheld 😆
While i agree i would like it bigger for more battery, this is 1000% not true lmao I can max out the rp4 pro and get 4 hours while the OS kicks down the processing speed because it's too hot
RP4 pro falls into a very specific area. The area where one wants to run most of PS2, GC, and Wii while pocketable. None of other devices on the market can do that, at least not for around the $100-300 US.
Yeah I canceled my order for the rp4 pro when I found out about the odin 2. With the odin 2 you want have to buy another handheld for years but with retroid you have to buy one every year hoping it will run better than the last one
I bought two Retroid pocket 4 pros , basically for the price of one odin 2 . For me , PS2 is not why I'm buying Rp4. Size and portability, android apps is a determining factor for me. Still hyped and waiting to see Ayaneo pocket s .
If they fit your usecase, enjoy them to the fullest. ❤️
Bloody price mate. That's why I bought my RP4 Pro man.
Not all of us want a large handheld. Some of us want a pocketable system that plays up to PS1 / PSP. If you're looking to play mostly PS2 / Gamecube games, then yes, the Odin Pro 2 may be more your type of solution. Not all of us want what you want.
I see your point. I would've once again sang the MM+ song, if you hadn't mentioned PSP 😄 (I'm just in love with the thing)
You’re making shit up. He never sad “You must want what I want” he just stated the Odin was best for ps2 games😛
you're taking this too personally
also, odin 2 mini just dropped
I went back and forth on this myself but ultimately ended up going with the retroid pocket 4 Pro. Don't get me wrong the Odin 2 sounds great in terms of performance but it's a size of the retroid that's sold me. The odin just looks a little too big. It's the main reason I've not bothered with a Steam Deck as much as I would like one.
Enjoy your Retroid Pocket 4 Pro man. Nothing wrong with knowing what our priorities are. :)
Also, yeah on the Steam Deck. I got it before I saw it live and was initially shocked how big of a chunky boy it was. In the end, it grew on me as a home-couch device, but I always felt like traveling with it was a chore.
Brother. If I can just pay $150 more I’d just buy stream deck
Number One Reason = DPad. I own a system like this to play Retro games perfectly, and you can't do that on shitty nipple sticks. The DPad being on top is the ONLY way to play awesome retro games. I'm not gonna be twisting my thumb in pretzels to use a low positioned Dpad. Maybe this is just me, but enough people agree to make Retroid place the Dpad in the correct place.
"twist my thumb in pretzels" 😄
I have a visual memory, this genuinely made me smile in real life.
Interesting point on the dpad, though.
The reason i don't buy the odin 2 is input lag.
Also It's much bigger than the rp4.
Interesting. I never knew about this. Care to give more details? This might be important for other dudes reading this comment as well.
The odin devices have higher input lag than other retro handhelds, specially the odin lite.
Yeah it's been news flooding Odin 2 reviews. I never knew about it either.
1) if you travel like me you want something portable to the extreme as I already have my work laptop and iPad in my backpack. My switch lite is big enough that i leave it at home most trips.
2) I started gaming at NES. Then I’ve owned master system, SNES, mega drive, Saturn, ps1, n64, ps2, ps3, ps4, ps5. I want a handheld emulator for nostalgia. My nostalgia is pre- PS2. I’m not gonna play ps2 games. I’m gonna beam shadow of the colossus ps4 version onto my OLED. Thus most of the attractiveness is N64 and before so I’m considering Retroid 4 pro or 3 plus ahead of an Odin 2. Plus the price difference IS significant to many.
Ps2 doesn't cost 500 bucks. I'll pass
I agree 100%. I bought the RP4 pro, set it all up, went ro play something, and it was no different than the RP3+ I sold to buy it. So I just flipped it on ebay, made my miney nack, and bought the Odin 2. I want to play my games upscaled to at least 1080p, 60fps, snd Retroid just can't do it. I understand people want a pocketable device but to me, playing anything without having to compromise is worth carrying a bag with me. Plus, its not like I'm walking around the office with a game system in my pocket.
I think we all have this fantasy of just gaming on the go, in day-to-day situations, like waiting in line at the supermarket and stuff like this. There's immense freedom in this thought.
Then real life hits, where things aren't as romanticized. We travel less, we're more tired and when we do game out, it's usually while we're sitting down anyway, like on a train ride or something and you have a bigger bag with you anyway.
I totally understand the allure. Or hell, maybe I just think like this because my life might be less exciting than most. 😄
I still feed into this thought though, that's why I either prefer ultra pocketable (dumber) handhelds like the Miyoo Mini Plus as a carry device (which have a clearcut range of what it can play, and does that with no drama), or something comfier, sitting on the couch, in full on capibara mode.
The Odin 1 was still good for anything to emulate, even if you miss some PS2 games. But I was born in the 80s, so I grew up with Super Nintendo and some stuff before. My first console I get as a gift was the Game Boy and later the PSX. But the SNES from my brother gives me the memories like you mentioned before.
So the device has to look like a PAL GameBoy or SNES, that’s why I love the Retroid Pocket 2+/2s and sold my Odin 1, because that thing looks like a modern gaming device with this LED lights. I don’t get these rings, I would prefer illuminated buttons instead much more.
Back to RP4. I don’t know if that is the right tool. From the beginning, I thought it can handle all the PS2 games. But now it seems it doesn’t - even with tinkering. And I hadn’t knew that this thing goes loud, warm and eat the battery. That is what the Odin was awesome. But the Odin is still too big. I like to use this thing as a controller when I want and as a small device.
If you want it all on one device, the only real option is the ROG Ally with the cheap SSD 2GB/4GB mod and EmuDeck for Windows. Than you can play everything from your childhood up to PS4 era (and a lot of PS4/5 and Xbox games are available on Steam). But this thing is huge, have to be always plugged on a charger and most systems are 4:3 - so you get these big black bezels or tinker with widescreen mods - but takes you high res / filtered pixel art or widescreen back to your childhood? Maybe not!
So my actual recommendation is the Retroid 2S, which plays most games like the RP3+ in 4:3, has a nostalgic design, very good buttons and can play all the old classics without any issues and with some shaders and plays even some GameCube or PS2 games.
What we are really want is a device with a 5-6“ OLED screen in 4:3 which doesn’t exist and none of these chinese companys would ever invent for this small amount of devices, a powerful quite Snapdragon like the 8 Gen2 in a small form factor without big bezels.
Than they can charge way higher prizes but I get sure not having to buy every two year a new device to hope it will fulfill my expectations. And I guess your right, when you like 16:9 devices, that the Odin 2 has nearly the best SoC you can buy, so you are well prepared for the future.
Sadly, the emulation side hasn’t improved that much in the last two years, only worth mentioning is Vita3K. But Cemu is very unlikely to happen on Android by now and it seems the most big thing is Switch emulation which doesn’t make any sense to me, because none of these Android devices can match the OLED Switch and you weren’t sure to get all games played without errors or can’t play online.
From my research the RP4PRO pro has issues with screen ghosting, green tint issues, and triggers that fall apart so quickly retroid sends you a replacement backplate so you can fix the issue yourself.
Only complaints I've seen with the Odin 2 is latency issues sometimes.
While that is true, that was mostly and on the very first batch of units, all those issues are already solved physically and/or by software updates.
Sheeeesh. You’re 99% there in convincing me to get an Odin 2 instead. I have an anbernic 405m and a steam deck. However I wanted a little more oomph than the 405m so I was planning to get my very first retroid pocket 4 pro. But you’re taking so much sense for the Odin 2 in investing in assurance 🤔
Now my fear in buying Odin 2, is that they’d release an Odin 3 with an OLED screen lol -_- In that case, I’d get the cheaper retroid pocket 4 pro. 😵💫
1. RG35XX H for up to Dreamcast PSP N64 NDS. (Pocketable)
2. Steam Deck OLED for PS2 Cube Switch PS Vita and Steam Games. (Portable)
3. Highend Laptop for everything else. (Semi Portable)
And use phone for android things.
But if it is only 1 devices, get overpriced GPD Win 4.
Needed it to actually fit in my pocket for quick access on planes
$150 less.
Ps2 games that don't work on this don't work on Odin either.
2x is fine. I don't need 6x
$150 cheaper
there are many games that don't even do a decent framerate at 1x. If it weren't so performance-bottlenecked, I wouldn't have given it such a hard time. :)
I love it for what it is, it's just that people expecting it to cut through the ps2 library like a hot knife through butter should have their expectations in check (hence the video).
Personally, I'm starting to fall in love with horizontal handhelds again, so I do see specific usecases which the Retroid Pocket 4 Pro would do perfectly
Also I have yet to try a ps2/gamecube game that doesnt work I really dont understand your point at all. Im playing mario sunshine, re4, metal gear 3, dragonquest V ps2 remake, silent hill 2, sonic colors, tales of symphonia. The list goes on its all working really well so the point youre making is kinda nonsense. Youre suggesting spending twice the price for a device that you cant carry anywhere for what? To run like 10 more ps2 games more smoothly?
You're right on the pocketability factor, the RP4PRO is way more pocketable than the Odin 2. Still, the RP4Pro sits right at the edge of "what it can handle" when it comes to PS2 and other things (was gonna mention Switch emulation but that's a bit uncertain now).
Retroid is smart, they leave themselves an incremental upgrade path between generations where people that have the 4 now will still want to buy the 5 for some performance gains.
The Odin 2 however is clunkier and not really pocketable, but there's a tonn of performance headroom to the point where I can confidently say that it'd still be relevant 3-4 years in the future. (In terms of performance, we're ignoring stuff like Android updates, that's a moot point with all these companies).
At the end of the day, everyone should get what ticks most of their priorities. Pocketability is important to many, and for that RP or "dumb" Linux handhelds are the only way to go currently (or maybe a jailbroken Vita or something).
Enjoy your RP4 Pro, my dude. :)
@VladNerd I think youre looking at it through the lens of someone who buys a bunch of handhelds. This is my ideal handheld. I really have no reason to upgrade for incremental improvements. It runs all my favourite classic games well, its the same size as my phone and the buttons are very good. I dont really see how my rp4pro would become irrelevant if in 4 years its still playing the games im nostalgic for and more. Not to say it cant be improved but your comparison makes very little sense to me, especially when youre telling people they're "investing on their fun". like whats the difference between that and me saying you should just emulate games on a gaming laptop for better performance?
Two reasons: Odin is almost twice the price. Odin is almost twice the size (by volume).
EXACTLY!
i need portability for my commute to nyc 😂..Odin 2 so big might as well add another 150$ and buy a console
Fair point :)
did you actually watch reviews and comparisment? Odin 2 Pro is one of the smallest handhelds outthere.
Would you say this still holds up when comparing the original odin pro or odin lite to the pocket 4 pro? Just noticed both of them are on sale for 200.
I'd pick the Pocket 4 Pro over those tbh. The SD 845 inside the original Odin is pretty old by now.
RP4 pro is a pretty significant boost in performance vs original Odin
Call me crazy, but I ordered the Retroid Pocket 4. Not the Pro, but the $150 “base”model. I have an Apple TV I can stream my content to wirelessly, (for anything up to PSP, 720p is fine), but I also have a pretty good Windows PC with PS2 emulators setup, which when used along with Parsec, I can play PS2 anywhere I have wifi. With cloud streaming, the performance of this device becomes less of an issue, its great wifi and storage speeds make this a heavy hitter in this price range. Retroid Pocket 3+ is just a few dollars cheaper, so why not upgrade to the 4? I think this logic works with a few tens of dollars, not so much hundreds. I did, however, consider the Odin 2, but it is more than twice the price and as an iPhone 13 Mini user (yes, we exist) I really appreciate a device this capable in a footprint of a regular phone (although a bit more thick). Odin 2 is in no way pocketable, and that was my priority when buying. I get that most people don’t have a cloud gaming server setup (although it is dead easy nowadays) and probably won’t set it up just to get passable performance in these edge-case platforms. I completely get your criticism, there are definitely better products on the market, but if you look at the performance per dollar, this puppy gets you a WHOLE lot whether you went for the $150 or the $200 option.
If you're not a professional retrogamer than the RP4 is enough, in fact it's more powerful than the Rp3+ which a lot of people bought last year.
First off, I love seeing a fellow local game streamer in the wild. I personally use moonlight for this and it's freaking awesome.
Also kudos for still rocking small phones. I miss them on the Android side tbh.
I actually think the normal Retroid Pocket 4 is a better option than the pro, since the Pro doesn't hit ps2 playability either.
@@VladNerd Yeah, In my opinion, you're only setting yourself up for disappointment if you expect any of these handhelds to hit the most demanding console it can emulate perfectly. People should focus on what it does well now, since there are no guarantees of this improving in the future via software. That's why I emulate systems my handhelds can't handle comfortably on my PC, and I must say the experience is much improved! Also its fun to see xbox 360 games on devices like this, even though its just being streamed!
To be fair, rp4 pro can play most ps2 and gc %200 better (with upscale) than the hardware itself.
I don't know about that, there's quite a few that won't run even with all the tweaking in the world.
For me, it's more about the paranoia of a game breaking fps lock in certain segments. I just don't want to be on stand-by to play with the settings all the time. This this all my life emulating things on the go, I grew a huge disdain for it. 😄
Ever thought about that the development of AtherSX2 for Android stopped? So you will always be able to emulate PS2 better on systems that can run PCSX2. So if the RP4PRO is not a good solution in your eyes, the Odin is not much better.
I appreciate the comment, but in this case, the problem is the lack of pure horsepower that the Retroid Pocket 4 has.
You're right with the state of AtherSX2 (I'm still sad about how things went down with the original dev, tbh), and the emulator WILL still trip over some games, but the Odin 2 will simply do better in most games because of the performance headroom that it has over RP4P. :)
Unfortunately the reason for not buying the odin was very simple and had nothing to do with money.
The odin 2 is too big and not what im looking for
Hell, i could have bought a steam deck if i really wanted to, so why would anyone buy an odin 2 if you can buy a steamdeck?
Where do you draw the line?
The odin 2 is a huge jump in price from the pocket 4 pro. And it makes the odin 2 redundant for me and many others who will just buy a steam deck at some stage
Where would I get this mythical $150 extra from???
I like the energy and delivery but I don’t agree. The RP4 and other similar systems like the RG556 make sense for the price. They’re pocket sized, cheap-ish devices that run everything if you know how to juice performance via settings. The Odin 2 ends up costing the same as a Steam Deck, has IPS display, looks worse than the Steam Deck, and it’s not that much more pocketable than one.
I’d rather get a RP4/RG556 for cheap to scratch my PS2 itch and below on the go, and enjoy it for a couple of years until there’s something with the price tag and form factor of a RPP4, with an AMOLED display, and more performance than the Odin 2 Pro.
For me, RG556 wins just because of the screen.
I haven't even though of buying a Steam Deck until Valve released an OLED version, now I own one.
The odin 2 is cool but a not a great buy when the steam deck cost around the same. The value of the RP4 Pro is great even if you have to play around with some settings.
I disagree. I have the RP4 pro and I don’t have any problem playing PS2 games on it. In fact, I play most of them upscaled just fine and it cost $100 less than the Odin 2.
Vlad. I like this video. Its funny lol but as an American I can see how many americans may be offended cuz they might mistake your humor for insults. I like it tho. You are spitting facts! Keep up with the good work!
Thanks so much, it means a lot to me. ❤️
Does RP4 Pro really play some PS2 games that poorly compared to the Ayo Odin 2?
Same question, also for the GameCube
it works great, no issues here. Best value compared to odin
The only thing that stopped me from buying RP4Pro was the LCD screen. OLED should be the minimum standard for handhelds.
I wish retroid launched a Flip 2 with OLED display.
As someone who is only going to use the ps2 for the silent hills series and resident evil code Veronica (which were shown to run smooth with the right settings) I’m okay with the pocket 4 especially with it being able to fit in my pocket
So giving you a genuine answer. The main reason someone would buy the RP4 vs the Odin 2 is size. Unless you're wearing cargo pants or a big jacket with deep pockets, the Odin 2 is just not pocketable. There is definitely no argument that the Odin 2 in terms of performance is much better. However for someone who wants a devices to pocket for a quick game session on the go the RP4 gives just a tiny push over the RP3 for just a small bit more performance while retaining that small form factor. There is definitely no right or ring purchase here it depends on what the buy wants, of you only play this at home or you have the means to carry it, and only care for performance Odin 2 hands down. If you want a small form factor, for the best performance you can squeeze out with the low end budget, and great portability RP4 is a great option. Again it all depends on the buyers needs and what they want to buy.
The main reason someone would but the RP4 is price. $300 vs $650 is a huge price difference.
@@nilpo you're absolutely right. That's an excellent point I forgot to meantion in my original comment. The price point is significantly lower for the RP4 Pro.
I don't get these people that put Odin 2 and Retroid Pocket 4 in the same category. A device that cost $150 more is a different beast.
Yup, normally I'd 100% agree on this, but I solely concentrated on PS2 playability to make this point. There's a lot of folks that'd buy it especially for ps2 (since this is the new emulation benchmark), and my philosophy is that it's better to fork some extra cash, rather than waste 200$ on something that'd ultimately not do what people expect of it. :)
I love my ROG Ally but the battery life and sheer size not make it travel friendly. Odin 2 being slightly smaller than Ally and reported case of input lag makes me lean to RP4 Pro more.
A lot of people seem to be attracted by the fact that the Pocket is smaller than the Odin 2, even at the sharp cost of performance.
Interesting how much size matters for such things. Thanks for the input. :)
@@VladNerd Tbf, Odin 2 did interests me before but having Ally makes me think twice. Odin 2 will win by battery and size but considering Ally is literally a Windows pc, the gaming library will triumph over Android. Same can be said for emulation scene. Size I have mentioned in my above comment.
Why would I aim for RP4 Pro despite the lack of power? RP4 Pro is interesting to me not just because of size but weight. I have emulate one of my rhythm games from PSP era on Ally but the weight of Ally makes my hand hurts. I have to position my hands on a table to make it comfortable. RP4 Pro is no powerhouse but it being Vita size and lighter would make some games easier for me to play.
Totally wrong, Ayn Odin 2's price is super close to the price of the Steam Deck LCD 64GB. There is no place for it.
Not everyone lives in North America.
Why buy a rp4 pro when you can just get an Odin 2?
Why buy and Odin 2 when you can just get a steam deck?
Why buy a steam deck when you can just get a gaming laptop?
Why buy a gaming laptop when you can just get a gaming desktop? 🤔
I see what you're trying to say, but we're talking about arm handhelds that can still be portable and actually carry decent battery life. :) (x86 handhelds like the Steam Deck, ROG Ally, etc aren't there yet, mainly because of the x86 architecture).
For arm handhelds, the Odin 2 is the only one with enough horsepower that can actually deliver flawless (up to what the emulator is compatible with) ps2 emulation. :)
@@VladNerd I wish I had the money for the Odin 2 😢
I saved up for Odin 2! I'm trying to justify why I should get the Odin 2 when I have rp4 pro and deck...
TBH I don't think saying "get an odin" really is the best answer, cause in the US at least you can get a steam deck that'll run ps2 and most of your steam library for the same price. I think there's kinda a fork at that 200 mark where you're either paying for the quality (e.g. the anbernic 405m, analogue pocket), or you're paying for the performance. I think for 150 the RP4 pro would make more sense.
I tend to agree with the Retroid 4 vs Retroid 4 Pro choice.
Also, if size isn't a factor, the Steam Deck is hands down best value for money in that price range. (An LCD Steam Deck is at around the same price, I believe)
Im 44, love retro gaming, but throughout my life , believe it or not, I actually skipped the whole ps2 era ... so I do not care for ps2 emulation, sure I would check some games out now but what I need to know is will the retropocket 4 play wii and gamecube and switch flawlessly? Otherwise I will still need to an Odin, oh I want to be able to play COD warzone/blackout also (I guess the mobile version from Google play store), lastly I will want to play the hundreds of Doom mods/wads - is this possible on both handhelds and how do you do that? Thanks
I’ve never seen someone be so confidently wrong. All the major reviews already showed that it’s more than capable at ps2 and gc emulation, then there’s you. Lmao 😂
I went from not knowing much about retro gaming and emulation, to purchasing an Odin 2 within the span of a week..thanks for this video. I think it helped me save money in the long run. The Odin cost A LOT OF MONEY but i think I will use it for many years.
Thanks Vlad, I was comparing both on AliExpress and you have given me clarity!
I own a Miyoo mini plus and i take it with me everywhere i go. I like the size of my RP3+, It can fit in my fanny pack that i wear across my chest over the shoulder. The odin is too big, you have to carry it in a back pack.
"is that an Odin 2 Pro in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?"
... it sounded way better in my head, I'll stop making jokes now.
My issues with the device are the faults. Faulty triggers, messed up screen, messed up thermals and fan and unoptimized software.
Regarding the price, people are looking for budget investment. Cause if that's the case, why even get an AYN odin 2 when you can get a steam deck?
I didn't even know about the screen. What's wrong with it?
I'd say the Odin 2 is attractive because it's on arm (vs x86), therefore it has better battery life. But yeah, you can't go wrong with either tbh.
Price and size. If I wanted a bigger and more expensive handheld, I'd chipmod my Switch, install Android and then never carry it me because it's stupid huge.
As it stands, the main attraction point of the RP4Pro is its smaller size so I can actually put it in a pocket of my jacket and bust it out on the train when I'm travelling light without a backpack. And, AND - it still plays a lot of the PS2 stuff even if it requires some tweaking, it plays some of the very good Switch stuff that the RP3+ won't handle, it has analog triggers that were omitted before and will come in handy in racing, and it does it all while still being small in size and price.
I wouldn't necessarily call it small in price tbh. 200$ is pretty hefty for that kind of performance, but I do see your point on the portability part.
Mate you're talking about 150$ like it's pocket change. Not everyone can afford that difference.
You should rename the video to "Just get a Steam Deck/ROG Ally"
Bro claims just get Odin 2 for PS2 but haven't showed any comparison between the 2. Look at some of the benchmarking videos, RP4P runs PS2 just fine.
I've owned both system, I sold my Odin 2 for an Ally and kept my RP4P for everything else for its size. I've gotten rid of all of my smaller devices and use RP4P now for all of that.
So which exactly are the not playable ps2 games in the ro4 pro?
Gt4 doesn't play great on the retroid pocket 4 pro, it does play though
@@bart9591 Gran Turismo 4? I thought many reviewers say that it runs perfect on RP4P. What are you talking about?
@@phomairolls For me I have to be in at least performance setting, have the resolution at 1.75x, and have some settings changed around. It runs good enough to play, but even at 1x resolution still dips in certain areas like before the race shots and in tunnels at night.
There are many reasons for me going with the rp4p
1. Price, at least in Denmark the Odin 2 is over double the price of the rp4p which is the same price as a steamdec. And if i wanted to spend that kind of money, i would just get the steamdec.
2. Size. The size is perfect for me. It's small enought to fit in my jacket or windbreaker. But not so small it cramps my hand, but the odin 2 or switch or steamdec are not so portable unless you have a backpack with you.
Yes the rp4p is a little limited in ps2 games compared to the odin.
But what i need a handheld to do is more an on the go type thing. And not so much playing for hours and hours on end. It's more ment for a train/plane ride, where i just need to kill some time for a couple of hours. Or a quite time at the park to get some fresh air. And there are PLENTY of games that the rp4p smashes that fulfills that need
Way to call it the way it is. Not enough of this on UA-cam.
This genuinely made me smile irl. Thanks for the motivation injection, my guy. ❤️
You’d rather pay 150 dollars more for a bulkier, gaudy looking device instead of tweaking some settings? We’re not taking about tinkering with memory register hacks here, you literally just need to flip the back end to Vulkan sometimes for most ps2 games to run at full speed 2x resolution.
You need to tweak settings to bump the resolution and turn on full screen hacks for the Odin 2 anyway, this is literally one extra setting, which saves you 150 dollars, for a device that’s actually portable and doesn’t defeat the purpose of the retro HANDHELD appeal.
So let me ask you this: if you’re ok with spending an extra 150 for the Odin 2, why not pay 50 bucks extra for a steam deck or an rog ally? You know those things can emulate ps3 too
You brought up a good point. PS1 and below I have a million things that are perfect. Ps2 and above the Odin 2 stands alone.
Odin 2 can’t even run every PS2 game and it’s not up to the device. It simply absurd the comparative between those handhelds just for the fact that steam deck exist since 2 years ago (and it’s in the same price as the odin)
The Steam Deck is an x86 device, which comes with its own drawbacks (lower battery life, higher heat generation, bigger body needed, etc)
X86 handhelds are great, but they are in a totally different category imo
Man i dont get the odin glazers. Ever realize the reason the handheld market blew up is because theres no longer a first party company selling a good pocketable handheld? I hate the "portables" that dont fit in my pocket and make me look like a psychopath if I take them anywhere else than my couch or bed. Rp4pro is sooo much better than the odin, people really sleeping on the value of form factor
Different people have different needs. If the Retroid Pocket 4 Pro works better for you, then that's great. :)
Why would you buy the Odin 2 when you can just save 150 more save get a ROG ally
Why ? Because im addicted to buying android handhelds for no particular reason.
$150 is quite a bit more money to compare an apple to an orange, and thats just for the base model the pro is 439 and the max is 499
so for what the RP4Pro gives you at $200 no other device comes close!
Can't deny that it's in a class of its own. I'm just pissed that they could've easily done ps2 if they'd put another 10-15$ in the SOC. :(
@VladNerd From what I've seen PS2 works reasonably well. And if a game doesn't run, you can tweak settings to get it to mostly run. A lot of the games I've seen shown that start to chug are at 2x + resolution. The native tends to almost always work. Mine is currently on a ship somewhere between China and Australia so i can't test it myself. But there are channels out there that are testing several user-choice games on the system and I've rarely seen issues.
Why buy Odin 2 when the price is getting close to a Steam Deck?
Why buy a Steam Deck when you can only spend thousands more for a better Steam Deck versions out there?
Why not spends millions and just buy a smart house that has screen everywhere that lets you play anywhere around the house?
Why not...
Great video and this made up my mind to get an odin 2
I want the RP4Pro for the pocketability. I wanted a device that could run psp games as well and having some ps2/wii/gc is a plus. Odin 2 is $370 i believe and for $30 more I can just grab the Rog ally.
You know your usecase best, my guy.
Thanks for watching. :)
Odin 2 is (for me) too big, too expensive and has the D pad in the wrong bloody place YET AGAIN. For anyone who says its only a bit more pricey, my budget is very tight.
Fair point. Thanks for your input. :)
I decided I'm buying the rp6 pro
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Choice is a person thing. I bought the original AYN Odin Pro but have not yet bought the AYN Odin 2. If or when I do, I'll get the "Pro" model. Some may want a smaller device and although it may not fit with your thinking, not everyone's main goal is to play PS2 games. For others, price is a huge consideration. As of now, the AYN Odin 2 base is sold out, and the AYN Odin 2 is at $369.00. The $170 difference can be a real barrier for many. Buy what you want, play what you want and everyone not liking your personal choices can piss off.
I have a rp3+ and its fine up to ps1 psp. Aethersx2 runs so much better on my samsung a52s with a sd778g its not even sd 8gen. I'm happy with my rp3+ at least now i use my phone only for ps2. But it kinda defeated the purpose since i bought a dedicated handheld to avoid using my phone for gaming lol. Maybe the dimensity 1100 is better but I've been messing around with emulation on android for a while now and in my experience, there's something about snapdragon that just works, even with average specs. If i were to buy a new handheld it would be snapdragon-based. Odin 2 would have been perfect if not for the size and price, although its cheaper than most phones with the same sd8gen2
If you're going to make the argument of "just pay $150 more" for the Odin 2, you could make the same argument in getting a Steam Deck over the Odin 2 (or even less of a price bump for an LCD model, especially used). I personally already have a Steamdeck OLED. The Odin 2 to me seems too expensive for what it is, and also maybe a tad too big. I'd be more apt to take my Steam Deck than I would the Odin 2. In situations I want something smaller and more portable, I'd consider the Retroid Pocket 4 Pro. But even then, maybe just an RG35XX H would fit the bill for me for when I want something smaller than a Steam Deck and am fine with emulating only up to PS1.
So you're a horizontal guy. Interesting. I feel a similar attraction to the RG35XX H too...
Wow... This man didnt names tony hawk underground, or true crime... Beat dudes ass
I bought it…. Because I didn’t want to carry my steam deck to work.
1000% agree. If you gonna be a handheld too play PS2 games. Might as well get the best one you possibly can.
I have the Anbernic rg 35xx instead of the miyoo and have also dropped it several times onto hard stone tiles and it’s still fine lol. If anything the little ones are tanks just like the OG Gameboys.
Yup, god bless 'em for being tough and dumb little devices. At one point my cat smacked it from the night stand just because, drifted quite a bit, and still looks brand new (black model). I just love these things.
I own 2 Miyoos and thankfully never dropped them. Supposedly they're not very durable. Or it's the luck of the draw. Dropped my psvita about 1-2 feet on carpet and the damn thing broke.
I dropped my rg 35XX, it feels tougher than my miyoo mini plus which has a soft back and one of the trigger buttons looks foggy for some reason.
Just add 150$ more….. bro that is the a 75% increase. So they are no longer even in the same price category. RP4P for its price nothing beats it.
Most unconformable device I've try in my life, even with the grip. Returned it
@@JBentham1523 its pretty much the same as a switch lite. For most people it is good enough, and if that is all the money you have to spend then nothing beats it in performance.
Literally the only PS2 games I can't run at 2x resolution or more on my Retroid Pocket 4 Pro are the same games that don't work on the Odin 2 due to limitations of the emulator. You're just trying to justify spending too much money on an Odin 2. Have you even used a RP4P? Because you only show stock footage in this video and don't mention anything about your personal experience.
The RP4 is overrated. Just spend the extra money and get a device thats fully capable
I had a lot of success running ps2 on RP4 pro. What I found helps a lot is turning off hardware read backs while in game. I can honestly play almost anything
but they are not 150 more the lowest i see them is 450
odin 2 can play all the PS2 games at 2-3x RES too, as well as switch
I have a lot of consoles, except odin. And i can say that rp4 pro is freaking great, any ps2 game i tried works great. Even if it cannot play full library, it is still impressive how small and how powerful it is. It has its flaws of course like all consoles do
Honestly, for its size, it has no competition right now.
Portability is at home with it, and I can't say that for many other devices.
I currently own an Anbernic 351P (that I still really enjoy) and am thinking about upgrading. Steam Deck, RP4P or Odin 2 (used; I'm not paying premium for any of them)?
I want to emulate up to 6th gen and the newer handhelds (though lightweight Switch would be cool) and a good battery life is a plus (apparently the Steam Deck lacks this so it would likely just be played in bed then and not that portable). RP4P has D-pad on top which I like for the retro stuff and it's small which is nice for my small hands. Steam Deck expensive and BIG but can run PC stuff and looks to have nice ergonomics as well. Odin 2 seems like something inbetween (?). After doing just a little research so far I'm seriously unsure about this choice. Any advice?
Edit: asking prices I see are Odin 2 Pro - 3500SEK (should be able to get that seller down a bit from there though) which is around 327USD/320EUR while RP4P is 2000SEK/187USD/173EUR. Currently not looking at Steam Decks so don't have any particular sale with price in mind there.
I had the same exact dilemma as well. I went with a Lenovo Legion Y700 2023 tablet (the only gaming Android tablet with an 8.8 inch screen on the market) and just slapped a telescopic controller on it (the BSP D8).
It has a SD gen 1, 12gb ram, 256/512gb + an SD card slot for expandability. It breezes through absolutely everything, including what I tried through Yuzu (Inside, South Park - the Fractured Backside, Portal 1 &2, etc).
Honestly, I mostly wanted it for the extra screen size. It makes gaming much more enjoyable and it still isn't really too big. Battery life is great too
Shameless pitch, but if you do decide to go for it, I have links for them in the description. :)
Steam Deck OLED supports 3 hours of gameplay with triple A games. With less demanding, like PS2 emulator, you can get 5 hours.
SD LCD's battery is just not worth it, because it discharges too quickly.
I think the RP4 Pro corners the "it does enough for the portability and pocketability while being capable enough for the price-to-performance" part of the retro handheld gaming market.
Good point. Still, I feel like they could've easily reached ps2 emulation if they added another 15$ to the SOC. But for folks who want a portable device, you're right on the money.
It can run about 90% of ps2, Wii, & gc.
DP4+ would make sense at $150, Odin 2 Base is okay at $300, anything more then you're better getting a Steam Deck
Yup, exactly
All the reason my friend. The Odin 2 is a beast for his price.
Just wait for the Retro Pocket 9...it will be more powerful than the Odin 2
So if i didn’t have any other handhelds i would agree with you. But since i already have steam deck oled legion go and a g cloud the RP4+ fills that truly handheld gap while being powerful enough to entertain me when im without my other devices
I have an rg405m and i agree that playing 60% or whatever of ps2/gc games isnt really a good experience. Always having to worry about performance and mess with frameskips and shit. So i tend to limit myself to systems a handheld can run well. Same goes for the 35xxh. Like it can kind of run n64 but not really so I just dont bother...
I don't know where you are buying your Odin 2 for $300. They are $500-$600.
The odin 2 base model is 300
I have a Odin 2 pro, for a smaller device I decided I need to buy an Odin 2 Mini.
Why buy a Ford when Porsche exists. 🤯
If I am going to spend 300$ on a handheld I might just get a steam deck and enjoy everything from emulation to pc gaming , Odin 2 price to performance is bad
Thanks for the demo and info, Yeah been contemplating on the RG556, but based on your feedback, I guess its Oden 2 Max it dude. Have a great day
There is no way I will be playing the entire PS2 catalogue or even 10% of it. There is a very select couple of dozen games I will be wanting to play (as they were what I played on PS2 as a kid/teen) and I have seen all bar 4 of those games been tested (so far) and all work perfectly.
I personally have no issue changing a couple of settings for the first ever launch of those games, it literally takes 10seconds. I also love 64bit and below consoles, arcade mame etc, so for me the rp4pro is a perfect all in one throw in my man bag (ok its a satchel) solution.
I think you're being a bit harsh on the handheld to be "enraged" by it. There is a reason that people are making a big deal about it and are looking forward to it so much. And not because its rubbish.
$199 vs $369 (USD) is also a massive deal for a lot of people. Thats a lot more cash to fork out to play maybe the 5% more of the PS2 games that the RP4Pro cannot? Not sure too early to say. What I can say is that out of 50 games tested all run perfectly well apart from 2. 1 of those does not run on the Odin2 either as its emulator limited. I wouldn't call that "not being able to run PS2 games very well" at all!
Either way an extra $369 USD is a heck of a commitment to spend on a handheld that (like he rp4pro) will certainly be obsolete this time next year in the same price point. Unless you have money to splash and have done well in life with little to no financial hurdles, then well done must be nice. . .
In conclusion I will say that in this hobby of retro gaming, at least we are spoiled when it comes to options of what handheld suits ones needs and /or wants. What honks my horn might not be what honks the next persons etc . . . So they can go buy their own honker. That suits them.
All the best with your channel. I found it enticing. It definitely engaged me enough to write out this dribble. Which I normally do not! I just tell my wife who nods and goes "ah huh" So well done haha
Here in america i have to pay health insurance. $150 is a lot more than i wanna pay. I dont need EVERY game playing. I am buying this for my kids if it can play mario gamecube, wii and some switch games it paid for itself. Also odin 2 is never available.
Fair enough. Also sidenote, it's super refreshing to hear that kids these days are still into retro games. Gives me hope for the new generation. ❤️
Price for Quality, dont need to be a genious. You can have a massive Gamer PC aswell, expend a lot of money on it, and even run PS3 at 2x, the fact tech exist is not determinant. As all of this is a luxury, people will choose what satisfies the itch, costing the less amount of dollars. Simple. Bye.
I dont disagree - $200 is a huge price point for an emulation device that only plays a fraction more games than others at half that price.
At the $200-$350 range is when you would consider actually getting an official console used or retail. The Nintendo Switch will be insane a few years down the line once CFW for it becomes accessible like the 3DS .
No, the switch will not be amazing. A phone from 4 years ago can do significantly better
@@fillerbunnyninjashark271 the Switch library dwarfs Android game library. A handheld that plays many PS3 and PS4 game ports for more than 3 hours is a win in my book. Heck I'm still using my Vita Slim regularly because the sleep mode is amazing.
@@main_tak_becus6689 the phone from 4 years ago can play all of the switches games, plus many other generations. All those games Nintendo refuses to let you play
Why buy the Odin 2 when you can buy a steamdeck? It's only $50 more.
It's an arm vs x86 thing. X86 is not as efficient with battery life and gets quite a bit hotter = the handheld has to be even bigger as a result. :)
X86 consoles do have their place though, I personally love them, it's just that they're in a totally different category.