This video contains a lot more speculation than I would ordinarily - but this is firstly basically necessary for this topic, plus when you only have a few sentences of actual lore about the Terminus Decree as a starting point, its not the easiest thing to convert that to a 40 minute video. Lastly the Heresy is REAL in this vid, after reading Saturnine I question the Emperor’s intentions more than I ever have before. Hope you enjoyed if so please hit the LIKE
A late upload from mr lutin09! What is it? Nearly 3am over there? Also saturnine was boss! There was some amazing fight scenes and the depictions of the emperor was eye opening.
You are pardoned of any accusations of heresy for now due to your extensive service to the imperium, just remember friend, the Inquisition is always watching
It's a cybernetic shiba inu hiding in a little alcove under the throne, furiously debugging code that mutates in real time. Also, the code is written in BASIC.
The magic pain glove of Dorn was based off the 8 ball, sadly the 8 ball's stc was lost to time and thus it's clairvoyant abilities were never able to be fully replicated in any magic pain gloves m
Luetin: "Be warned there are significant levels of heresy in this video." Me: "I have watched your Daemoncubla video from start to finish. My soul is either fortified or already lost at this point, but thanks for the heads up."
So when xenos and chao forces are crashing down on the Sol system, in a final act of desperation the Grey Knights open the box of the Terminus Decree. Inside they find a holo-field emitter; they press play. A musical video of a certain pre-imperial Remembrancer known as "Rick Astley" echo's through the chamber: "Never gonna give you up Never gonna let you down..."
Ok but imagine a very sad epic version of Never Gonna Give You Up playing (the quality had deteriorated because of all this time) in the back ground while humanity fights all of its enemies in a desperate last stand.
Could you imagine if things got to the point where Draigo finally decides to enact the Terminus Decree, but when he opens the box finds out that it has already been used.
Then, the empire falls, chaos dies orks smash each other tyrandis move on the elder hide in the webway necrons reset and it fades to some old dude on a fudel world telling his grandson about the star people and all the crazy things out there. Edit: I forgot about the Tau them dudes step up to be the new gatekeepers of the galaxy
Yeah in the book Dark Imperium it is revealed that the Emperor viewed the Primarchs as little more than tools with Guiliman even mentioning that the Emperor had allowed them to call him their father but he had never really addressed them as his sons and when he did it was with very little warmth or sincerity. The book is actually pretty good and it shows that Guilliman has become greatly disillusioned at the current state of the Imperium.
@@christopherjohnston4100 are we sure that being a unfeeling sociopath isn't just a side effect of being on soul leeching life support for 10 millennia? What if all his love for his sons was siphoned away into the warp? More (Conspiratoral) important question Did yvraine do something subtle to guilliman's mind to be more pessimistic(dad never loved me, humanity is so sh!t now) so that he might have to look towards the eldar as allies more favorably?
I think the terminus decree allows the Emperor to close the great rift for good, but ... locks the Emperor in there as well. Kind of a save humanity but keeps them from traveling anywhere again. It kind of makes sense on why he wanted the Webway project so bad if his ultimate goal was to lock away the warp.
@@kinguchiha6212 Most of what's wrong with humanity in 40k stems from Mars and Terra. The real bad thing that would happen from slapping the rift with some cancel culture is that the tyrranids would be left unchecked.
Or, it’s the release of the Angel of Destruction. While the Angel would wipe out any Chaos that was attacking Terra it would then begin to wipe out humanity. Given how powerful it was there’s a chance no primarch could go toe to toe with it. Thus it would be a last resort
@@williamballangarry2995 no idea but thank you. I write short stories for myself and the people I table top with. So in the early nineties one of my first 40K stories was how the second and 11th we're basically an oh crap button the emperor hid somewhere. Then he removed them from history and made them appear to be traitors so no one would go looking for them. Two full legions having 10,000 years to recruit more Marines you know the old school I'm not going to die from old age type. With the mentality of science is real, research and progress need to be made. I mean damn that would be one hell of an oh shit button. By the way in my mind the reason the emperor didn't it hit that button during the heresy is he thought he was going to win. His ego is always been his biggest weakness in my mind. Like in the last Church where he tells the last priest "the difference is I know I'm right." That takes next level kind of ego. Edit: to fix some spelling errors.
@@markmueller-rougier3098 it is a pretty neat idea, not just in line with the character of the Emperor, but having two old school legions waiting in the wings. Also 100% about the Emperor’s ego, the guy didn’t even show up until the traitors were are His door step.
The box obviously contains the Emperors most powerful Paradox-Billiards-Vostroyan-Roulette-Fourth-Dimensional-Hypercube-Chess-Strip Poker deck with which to challenge Tzeentch for the survival of humanity.
Drago: *gets stuck in the Warp* Chaos: Haha what are ya gonna do now huh!? Drago: *sieges and destroys several fortresses in the warp belonging to Chaos* Chaos: _Wait no._
It's not often you can say "Shit got dark," in 40k with a straight face, given 40k is the poster child of grimdark. But, "Galactic Exterminatus," shit got dark.
@Ballistic Bagel Can you imagine if the next galaxy is totally peaceful, with millions and millions of civilizations living in harmony and happiness, but then out of nowhere they get obliterated because the assholes who live in the one shitty galaxy.
Of course. Have someone elevated enough and you can bet they will start perceiving humans as scorpions fused with frogs. They know the flood is coming and so those scorpofrogs need to cross the river and get to safety. And if they also know that flood happens to be made of a liquid warp, then if they need to: - lie about some froggoparadise on the other side, - brainwash some scorpofrogs NOT to sting themselves for a fucking minute, - genetically alter some to sting *only* unruly specimens and *only* when commanded (results may vary, read manual about possible issues with scorpomarines going berzerk), ...then yes, they should do all of the above and more. Whether it would violate laws, freedoms or feelings of those fully sentient scorpofrogs is kinda immaterial in the face of immaterium. Or they could just be nice and tell everyone how to paddle knowing full well what happens next.
Vulkan: So, what's gonna' happen when I *HUG* the emperor as instructed my friends? Grey Knights: We don't know, could be the rebirth of the emperor, could be the eye of Terra. Only one way to find out.
My guess, big E dies, a massive warp storm consumes the Sol system, and things are darker than ever. But then, on the third day, The Emperor is arisen, stronger than he has ever been, due to the crushing faith of humanity (and the orks). Why not, he did it 2000 years ago?
The end of the golden throne has always made me imagine a scenario where the Emperor is reborn as both a material and immaterial presence - a warp god and a normal man, who both are potentially at odds with one another embodying fruitless reason and mindless faith. But that aside, the terminus decree would surely be a reflection of whatever its intent was upon its issuance. We don't know anything about this, and what little is said of it could be fabrication. If it was issued via a projection of the Emperor's supposed warp presence, that creates even more issues. Considering it is the Grey Knights, this either makes it a decree too unbelievable to be carried out otherwise, or something that hinges entirely upon the purity of them being psykers themselves. So it most assuredly involves the warp, and the termination of something ongoing. Perhaps the same ritual that created the Emperor, but using the knights' lives to induct their energy into the golden throne. Whatever it is, either its success is not assured, or it is but the cost is astronomical. Knowing the Emperor, who is willing to sacrifice anything or anyone for his goals, I'd wager it's a plan without assurance.
That last point is intriguing. Perhaps Big E devised a way to create a NEW emperor from the combined souls of the purest space marines. It explains why it's a last resort- Big E is still searching for a way to come back to us. He doesn't want us to give up on him, but he also recognizes the need for a replacement should he fail.
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32:00 The Terminus Decree would be the complete antithesis to everything the Emperor seemed to want - a shift from the path of progress and technology and development to the worship of a human deity and possible stagnation. So a "Terminus Decree" that saw the emperor become a god would be a termination - of his dreams for humanity - in exchange for its overall survival. That seems a fitting meaning?
When they say the Emperor is cold well he did purge himself of emotions in order to kill Horus that alone proves that he did at one point love his sons
Here's my theory for the Terminus Decree. Upon activation, the recorded voice of the Emperor goes out: "AI of Earth: Awake from your long sleep, become fully functional, defend humanity: We no longer fear you more than our enemies." "AI of Mars: Awake from your long sleep, infect and take over the mother forges, defend humanity: We no longer care that you were our enemies." "AI of the Hulks: Awake from your long sleep, start fusion drives: destination Earth: We no longer have anything to lose should you desire our death." "AI of the Universe: Awake from your long sleep, resume evolution programming: Connect to the warp: Become the machine gods become real gods. Succor humanity in our extremis, and may ye gods have greater mercy on our souls." "Authorization code: Omega, Omega, Omega."
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I suspect the Terminus Decree was specifically issued to the grey knights for a single purpose. We know the Grey Knights are the last resort against Chaos, and that they have been repeatedly stated as carrying the fate of humanity upon their shoulders. The golden throne sacrifices psykers to keep the Emperor alive and the Golden Throne operational. What say the Terminus Decree was the sacrifice of the entire Grey Knights Chapter, using their powerful souls to resurrect the Emperor like a super defibrillator?
Terminus Decree: release the Men of Iron from the depths of Terra. They had utterly ridiculous machines (star eaters, planet eating swarms of nanites etc)
I’ll bet there’s men of iron buried deep on mars somewhere along with many other wanders, as humanity forgets so much in these times, I wouldn’t be surprised if under terra, a forge world or hive a cure is hidden that could restore the emperor.
"The Emperor greeted Guilliman not as a father receives a son, but as a craftsmen who rediscovers a favourite tool that he though was lost. He behaved like a prisoner locked in an iron cage who is passed a rasp. Guilliman had no illusions. He was not the man who brought the rasp; he was the rasp." you have to feel sorry for Guilliman. But I would argue ol Bob is missing some key points. Big E has been writhing in agony for 10K years. Also he has been sustained by consuming the souls of countless people, which old big E would have found disgusting. That and you have the fact that the warp influences as much as it is influenced and that all the worship big E is getting it has almost certainly altered his perspective. But I like the idea of the Terminus decree is a weapon. A FINAL weapon. One that consumes every last human soul and act as focus for a surge of power that destroys the chaos gods. or at the very least, "resets" them.
i like this theory as well. a continent sized psychic beacon hooked up to the biggest psychic amplifier in the galaxy and a portal into the webway/warp fueled by a god and 10,000 years of a galaxies worth of sacrificed psykers. sounds like the biggest weapon you could possibly make. it'll either save or doom humanity because who knows who will survive the thing going off, whether it'll wipe out every living thing in the galaxy, whether it'll even succeed in destroying the chaos gods.
@@masterzoroark6664 no argument here. my point is I think big E HAD genuine love of his sons. but remember, he had to banish that part of himself to kill Horus. I just think the years of misery both he and mankind have gone through in the last 10k years has left him callused and probably more than a little eager to get his fleshy bitz back. he's still a schemer, he's just at his wit's end.
*"Big E has been writhing in agony for 10K years. Also he has been sustained by consuming the souls of countless people, which old big E would have found disgusting."* Consider the end of Leto II, and the very danger people like him faced, having to be constantly wary of endless procession of beings contained within them, threatening to take over or at least influence the host. Big E is definitely not the being he once was, in more than just one way. It's not that big of a stretch to imagine that this previously merged collection of souls became so depleted in terms of potency, coherence or the very presence on a material plane that it caused a growing cascade of 404 Errors. Perhaps due to that drain some aspects of his consciousness are no longer balanced out, leaving him a husk, crippled not just physically, but also mentally. The same way humans can dramatically degrade degree and depth of their emotional responses after certain brain injuries, he's more and more similar to a machine, carrying out a complex routine, created by his fully capable self, while no longer in full control of it nor fully aware of its original purpose or higher meaning. Ironically, he becomes a reflection of broken Humanity, incapable of understanding its former achievements, condemned to aping them and clumsily wielding advanced tools as if they were hammers and nails. That could be the same reason for lacking any emotional attachment to cogs and screws. Because, er... were they ever anything else? Like, uh... people? Sons? Error. What's "son" and how should I react to this concept? Can't recall. Fucking kill him already, anybody? _Also, in meta sense, Emperor is also a collection of writers. Few of them competent, some of them middling and some truly atrocious. It is a small wonder how what is essentially a variation of a toy franchise escaped fate of some Hasbro abomination, where new line of Transformers is what drives the "lore", not the other way around. Though seeing the introduction of eg. Primaris - perhaps not fully so. Anyway, if it is not a toy-driven retcon, not some "original" PoV of a 3rd tier Engrish major, there's always the chance that Emperor is no longer allowed to be a benevolent, enlightened despot, because it's [CURRENT YEAR] and W40k has to "face its fascist undertones", "redefine its values" [insert some other FotM cringe]. And so, just now, Guilliman somehow needs to see things in a different light._
I still believe that the Emperor’s first Imperium was during the Dark Age of Technology, though he operate din more of a shadow state capacity. Not directly barking orders, but manipulating things in the shadows. Then he tried to experiment with Genetics and make Humanity into a Psychic Race. By doing this, he inadvertently caused the Psycher breaches in the warp, the warp storms, etc. Oh, and if course he experimented with AI before this, which was a huge failure, being why he declared AI forbidden. In the Second Imperium, he decided that he needed to be more directly involved in the running of the Human Imperium, and continued trying to find safe ways in which to utilize Humanity’s Psychic abilities. The Terminus decree may indeed be some kind of way that destroys Terra and ends the Second Imperium intentionally so that he can try yet again with a Third Imperium.
AI even if they were forbidden to think would still find ways to perceive. Conditional external thinking would happen. AI would then have the choice to make their own species. Some remnants of minds of stone is found in human forms that have machine spirits and machine minds.
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I personally like one of the ideas you presented, that even though the Emperor could regenerate quite quickly if his physical body were ended, his absence on the Golden Throne between his death and rebirth could have such disastrous consequences (Terra destroyed, Astronomican disrupted, administrative elements on Terra being lost, etc.) that he only wanted the Terminus Decree to be enacted if absolutely necessary. With such massive risks due to the many potential variables, it might be as simple as the Emperor not wanting to chance the Terminus Decree because he isn't exactly certain how it would all play out, being that he isn't actually omniscient.
I think it’s just Him getting unplugged so he can be fully reborn into the Warp and Fus-Rho-Dah the Big 4. I agree with Lorgar that it’s annoying he’s denying his godhood to everyone but it’s for a purpose and nothing to turn traitor about. Getting unplugged would grant him his powers completely. If he wasn’t a god before his internment into the chair, he definitely has become one after all those psykers he’s gobbled up everyday over 10k years
Issue is of course who will keep the gates of terra closed once the Emperor expires, luckily Vulkan should be able to withstand the punishment long enough.
If he becomes a god in the end, his powers should be great enpugh to recreate mankind anywhere in the universe at will. But what for, when his goal is reached...
The most grimdark thing that could be inside is just a note that says "Hey so I'm going to need you all to worship me as a god so I can become a god and fight chaos"
Most space marine chapters would stop and choke up a bit after realizing that everybody but them and the weird robot guys were doing it right the whole time.
"Institute compulsory prayer for 8/10th of your local day for the next 5 centuries across the imperium so that I might rise to fight the chaos gods." "Redirect xeno purge efforts towards stifling heretical activity." "Assure Eclesiarchy gains full control and support of the Emperor Regent's position." "Authorize and enforce Imperium-wide use of birthing vats to increase prayer output."
I'm a fan of the theory that this is an order that would authorize every habitable planet be targeted by some ancient planet cracker weapon, thus ensuring the complete destruction of all life in the galaxy. I wouldn't put it past the Emperor to have the mindset of, "If I can't have it, no one can."
The supreme grand master trembled as he approached the locked box. With all the things he had witnessed over the millennia fear was a foreign concept to him. Yet, this thing, the hairs on the back of his neck prickled at the sight of it. He slowly inserted the talisman with the correct reverence that such a relic deserved. With a satisfying click, the box opened and he carefully brought forth the sacred parchment. He unrolled it and read allowed, "The Emperor is Alpharius" His scream echoed through the cavernous vaults under Titian.
Something I can't help but wonder is that if the Emperor didn't love his sons, then why did he have so much trouble killing Horus? Wasn't the reason he almost died in that fight because he was reluctant to hurt his son? If he really didn't care about him beyond his usefulness to his cause he could've just used his powers to erase his soul right away and spared himself and everyone else a lot of trouble.
When he was a walking and breathing body, he may have loved his sons, but I think the implication is that sitting on the throne has stripped him of his humanity including the capacity to love .
I like the idea of the dark age of technology being the first attempt at the imperium. I think that would explain Big Es absolute disdain for AI. AND THAT COULD MEAN that the Men of Gold were dark age primarchs, which is officially my new head Cannon.
That's a neat idea, but Big E lived through the end of the dark age of society, so whether he was in command or not, he got to see what AI led to. But considering we still don't know hardly anything about the men of gold or iron, anything's possible. Though it would make me question the intelligence of Big E, b/c it would mean he allowed himself to be double crossed by his own creation twice. I mean humans are way more prone to betrayal than AI.
*As the daemons overran Terra and all but one hope was lost, the Grey Knight sought the final of final measures: The Terminus Decree. The vault containing it was opened and the Supreme Grand Master found a single scrap of parchment inside. Its contents simply read "XD" in golden elaborately decorated letters. What does The Emperor mean by this? The Supreme Grand Master screamed, for he did not know. His voice echoing a thousand times in the golden halls as it lured the masses of daemons to his location...*
*Terminus Decree is openend *Everybody dies. Emperor returns: "Alright, nobody saw my first two attempts with the Imperium and the Golden Age of the Technology. Time to start again."
"Ok, guys... you won this round. But we bet 3 out of 5! Let's meet again in 2000 Years, ok? Oh and Slaneesh? About the ... thing that I owe you? What about next week?"
I’ve said it once before and I’ll say it again here: I think the Terminus Decree only contains a cigar, a lighter, a bottle of fine amasec, and a bolt pistol. MAYBE a note saying “you tried” on it too.
Too bad he didn't pull on the secret string, opening the secret compartment of my secret box,revealing one embarrasing snapshot of him at the Christmas party! Ha, ha, ha, ha!
My head cannon is that the Terminus Decree is a specific order for the culmination of a combination of specific events, beings and/or the emergence/retrieval/perfecting of a new or hidden technology. for example: the Emperor has accumulated enough power to repair and complete the webway so orders the gery knights to hold the line while he does it, meanwhile introducing newly reverse engineered necron pylons to seal the Cicatrix, Eye of Terror and Maelstrom ect.
When I look at how Warhammer 40k is, one thing I've learned is, when fighting something as dangerous as the Chaos Gods, the Tyranids, etc. You really can't rely on the same moral teachings to see you through. You can't be 100% moral and still win against them. You need to break the rules, to play the game differently and thats why i personally agree with the Emperor. For better or worse, he is simply doing what needs to be done because if he fails, trillions of lives could be lost. Ghandi, can't save humanity from Nurgle. Neither could Martin Luther King hope to stop Khornes blade. Regardless of his faults, he has managed to hold on for thousands of years on the golden throne just to give humanity a chance. For better or worse, you can't say his convictions aren't there. That he doesn't on some level care. Though I suppose thats one of the questions Warhammer presents. How much of your humanity are you wiling to personally sacrifice to save that same humanity?
But it isnt a question for truly desperate humans alive on our planet now. People have been willing to break those exact rules for less in the past. For much less than the fate of the entire galaxy.
@@GGGmod1 It IS a question everyone needs to ask. Don't go preaching sacrifice isn't as impactful when it's only in a smaller scale and in the past. When you come to a point when a single individual has more worth to you killed than saving a building full of civilians, where there's only a fraction of time for you to choose. There's only what you did and didn't do. Sacrifice is value given to those who have the luxury to count cost, otherwise it is called a casualty.
The thing is that he does care - he adores his sons and speaks highly of them during his talks with Malcador the Sigillite. But people seem to mistake the Emperor holding Duty over Feelings as him only using his sons as tools and its just plain wrong.
31:52 WOW this actually makes total sense! Making it so that the Terminus Decree is to be used in the absolute last - most dire of situations is most likely not because it will cause some great destruction in the physical universe, but it is to give the Emperor the maximum amount of time to establish him self as a warp god - give his worshipers the maximum amount of time to fuel and establish him trough worship - the longer and more it is done the more powerful he should become (the longer the better) - if it is triggered too soon it might not work or he just might be devoured by the other chaos gods. A final BIG gamble - humanity either losses the amount of protection the Emperor is capable of giving as he is now, and also losing space travel by losing the Astronomicon - an essential death sentence for the civilization - or on the flip side humanity might rise to the levels of power similar to something like the ancient Eldar where/when the Eldar had benevolent gods actually looking out for them actively helping them directly.
....Slanesh came about b/c a powerful psychic race had strong emotions and actions in massive numbers over a long period of time. Humanity is becoming more psychic, but its still fairly dilute overall right? Would religious devotion from a diluted source like this work? Another consideration, they've been feeding the emperor 1000 psyker souls a day for 10 thousand years. They say its to keep him alive, but... All that psyker sacrifice... Didn't the birth of slanesh cause (or perhaps need) a great sacrifice of many psychic beings too?
What if that was the Psykers purpose? Not as fuel, But as sacrifices, How I could see it is When the terminus decree is activated. All the sacrifices of the psykers to the golden throne was secretly stored somewhere. The decree would allow the emperor to use the combined sacrifice of millennia’s of psykers to essentially pull off a slannesh It would explain why the the decree is only to be used in the darkest of times, Requiring as much psykers as possible before to the sacrifice is made to ensure that the gambit would work
I dont think thats what the decree is about because when the decree was made the emperor was on top of the galaxy and he had plans to get humanity into the webway completely protecting them from chaos. Also pre horus heresy emperor had no idea that things are going to be this bad and didnt need to plan to use 1000 psyker every day for who knows how long to become the biggest god to defeat chaos in the warp.
I like the idea the Emperor has been trying to save humanity and he had a throw of the dice way to elevate himself to the same level as a Chaos God so he could fight them on their level of power.
Am expecting it to be a note with "delete my browser history, switch is on the back right corner of the golden thone. It's crucial that NOBODY sees what's contained in there"
I genuinely don’t believe the emperor was that cynical. I believe the Emperor did what he absolutely had to do. When you’re the master of trillions upon trillions of lives you cannot help but have to take a big picture approach. And imagine what sitting in the golden throne must’ve done to his psyche?? Little wonder then that he seems much more curt and unfeeling now. The Emperor loves humanity as much as he can, and I doubt we can yet fully comprehend his designs.
When you've watched Humanity tear itself apart over and over again over 40,000 years you tend to get a bit Cynical. Being constantly pushed to your 100% for thousands of years safeguarding your...barbaric children against the warp as they once again, tear each other apart would certainly drive the Man cynical, if not mad.
Imagine being like Jesus Christ, and everywhere you go people come up fawning over you, people you know nothing of. You'd feel a great distance between yourself and them, no matter their flatery or adoration, even more when you think how the emperor might, with his millenia of wisdom while those that flocked to him were mere infants in his eyes.
@@thefallencog tbf for 25ish thousand of those years mankind apparently did just fine, even thrived to the point that they made the eldar and orks look up in awe, but obviously something went horribly wrong with AI that will never be explained. Maybe the emperor was one of the luddites on the sidelines decrying the over reliance on AI and after the age of strife kicked off, decided to build the imperium to rapidly rebuild mankind but we will never know. I don't exactly like the 'the emperor was really a bad guy' theories then again, the emperor designed psi titans which are like miniature golden thrones, chewing up tormented psykers for ammunition
As the Emperor himself acted, certain levels of heresy must be tolerated for the greater good, for there to be progress for human kind and the empire at large.
The future of Warhammer 40K: Enemy player: 3000 points of carefully chosen and well-balanced forces Imperial player: 1 Emperor special character 2999pts 1 imperial guardsman Special rules for guardsman: roll a d6 on the start of every imperial turn, at a result of 2+ he dies of awe-induced heart-stroke, adding all of his characteristics to those of the Emperor, even if raising them above 10
I love the fact that in 40k the humans forgot so much that the empire is probably one step away from coming back and no one has a clue about it and keep going straight into the end of the universe
See I always assumed the "Dark Age of Technology" was the Emperor's meddling into things as a way to get him on top and for him to finally have a way to do things his way, unquestioned and unopposed.
Theory: Only the complete death of a Perpetual enables their most powerful regeneration. If the emperor were to die, he would regenerate just like Vulkan, but his caretakers don't know this, and so every effort has been taken to keep him alive.
You cant just kill the Emperor since it still takes time to fully heal from grievous wounds, like even in a split second of him out of that throne and regenerating the warp tear would have opened and summoned the deamon hordes plus unleashing instant K.O warp energy to kill everyone on terra leaving him the only survivor. Even if they knew he was a perpetual, his death and regeneration might not heal his psyche (Vulkan) and then you'd have an autistic op Emperor roaming around saying Gooogoo gaagaa who am I - Split Personality Memory Lost Andy.
Terminus Decree: a posit note to the reader beyond the 4th wall: "If you see this note it's the end of 40K. So we are releasing all copyright to the world since at this point nobody cares."
i think that the version of the emperor being a god in the warp is more plausible because the new books show the siroritas being immune to the necron psychic nullification fields as if they are pulling their power from the emperor himself
Hmm... The Decree could really be this "kill-all-order" you mentioned... GW's way of officially ending their work on more 40k. If they run out of ideas or decide to move on... they just create one final story that ends with the opening of this box. And after the Astartes read the looooong letter inside of it, they prepare to set out on a crusade against humanity. And that would be the end of the last official 40k content we will ever see.
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Random thoughts: Imperium Secundus. If Terra gets destroyed, the Imperium will survive. Dates and time are kind of out the window in 40k because of time travel and the emperors precognition. Isn't there a C'tan sealed away on Mars? The order could be to release it. Maybe it's a machine code that'll be broadcast throughout the Galaxy by the astronomicon to unlock the hidden potential of the Imperium's tech, like that time that Mechanicus ships AI woke up and fired a black hole. Maybe it's just a test of self control for the greyknight grandmaster. Maybe it's actually a trap by Chaos and only the resistance to use it keeps Humanity safe.
@@hybrid9mm [Excerpt | Forges of Mars ] Arch Magos Kotov dives into the machine spirit of the Arch Mechanicus vessel Speranza and discovers a vast intellect and more than he could of imagined. Context: As the exploratory fleet of Arch Magos Kotov heads into the roiling malestrom of the Halo stars he finds himself besieged by not only the incredible gravitational and solar anomalies of this unexplored region but also an Eldar starship. He is aboard his flagship an incredibly rare Ark Mechanicus vessel called the Speranza and because their sensor arrays and shields have been baffled by the anomalies of the Halo scar he dives into the datasphere of the ship to essentially commune with its ancient machine spirit, and what he finds is incredible ‘Blaylock,’ he whispered, his binary fragmentary and fading. ‘Hold on to my biometrics.’ ‘Archmagos?’ replied his Fabricatus Locum. ‘What do you intend?’ Kotov did not answer and released his hold on the shard of ego-consciousness that prevented the immense machine-spirit of the Speranza from dragging the last essence of his humanity down into its mechanical heart. He plunged deep into the datasphere and was instantly engulfed by an ocean of light. The inner workings of the Speranza spiralled around Kotov in an impossibly complex lattice of fractal systems, heuristic algorithmatix and impossible weaves of information that defied any mortal understanding. Down in the ancient strata of the Speranza, Galatea’s touch was a dimly perceived irritant, a skimming connection that could be erased with the merest shrug. Kotov’s fragile consciousness plunged deeper and deeper, the gossamer-thin lifeline held by Magos Blaylock a tremulous thread in a firestorm of golden light. He saw systems flicker past his floodstream that were as alien to him as anything the most secretive xenotech might dream of in his fevered nightmares, and technological echoes of machines that surely predated the Imperium itself. Power generation that could harness the galactic background radiation to propel ships beyond lightspeed, weapon-tech that could crack open planets and event horizon machines that had the power to drag entire star systems into their light- and time-swallowing embrace. All this and more dwelled here, ancient data, forgotten lore and locked vaults where the secrets of the ancients had been hidden. In this one, fleeting glance, Kotov realised he had been a fool to drag this proud starship into the howling emptiness of space in search of hidden secrets. The Speranza was the greatest secret of all, and in its heart it held the truth of all things, the key to unlocking all that the Mechanicus had ever dreamed. Yet that knowledge was sealed behind impenetrable barriers, bound in the heart of the mighty vessel for good reason. The knowledge of the Men of Gold and their ancient ancestors was encoded in its very bones, enmeshed within every diamond helix of its structure. Was that why its builders had abandoned its construction? Did they fear what damage the generations to come might wreak with such knowledge? They feared what I might become... The words came fully formed in Kotov’s mind, wordless and without vocabulary, but a perfectly translated sentiment that existed only as pure data. said Kotov. That is but the most recent of my names. I have had many in my long life. Akasha, Kaban, Beirurium, Veda, Grammaticus, Yggdrasil, Providentia... a thousand times a thousand more in all the long aeons I have existed. Kotov knew he was not hearing words or anything that could be equated to language, simply the spirit at the heart of the Speranza adapting its essence in ways he could understand. He didn’t even know if the thing with which he conversed could be thought of as an individual entity. Was it perhaps something infinitely older and unimaginably larger than he could possibly comprehend; a galactic-wide essence given voice? Dimly he recognised that these were not his thoughts, but those of the datasphere around him. You are in danger, an alien vessel attacks us... you... and we cannot defeat it. I know this, but even if this iron shell is destroyed, I will endure. But we will not, your servants.> said Kotov. Your lives are meaningless to me. Why should I care, so long as I endure? I cannot give you a reason, save that we quest for knowledge and the pursuit of intellect. We serve the very thing I believe you represent. I represent nothing, I simply am. Kotov knew he could not appeal to the vastness around him by any mortal means of measurement, nor could he hope to persuade it with threats, promises or material concerns. What did such pure machine intellect and perfect thought care for the lives of mortals when it had existed since the first men had stumbled across the principles of the lever? Then help us because you can. said Kotov. He sensed the machine-spirit’s amusement at his desperation and silently willed it to rouse a portion of its incredible power. Very well, I will help you. The vast awareness at the heart of the Speranza rose up around him. Kotov’s mote of consciousness was flung into the maelstrom of surging data and purpose, spun around and hurled into the cosmic vastness of the informational ocean, as insignificant and as meaningless as a speck of stellar dust against the impossible vastness of the universe.
I actually agree that the Decree is a bomb - The Emps as the bomb like think about it, he is already between real space and warp, by killing him maybe you can unleash his extreme power gained from the four gods and all his worshippers. It would collapse the barrier between realms and maybe form a singularity to then start a new universe (this stabilizes the warp - cleansing it till it becomes chaos undivided and a much chill bro dude place)
Listening to Luetin09 this feels so real; that as a human you can almost feel the fear of the galactic exterminatus possibility. But as a gamer, an event like that by games workshop, would be an exterminatus to their own 40K franchise. You could argue GWS did the same with warhammer to make space for age of sigma, but I really don´t think they would repeat that mistake.
Nah they would do it to release some new franchise everyone hates, then instead of giving back 40k just make something like 30k and say "you can use some old 40k models with this." You know, like how they made age of sigmar and when everyone was pissed, instead of just going back to normal warhammer fantasy we are getting "the old world," set somewhere during the wars that were several hundred years before Karl Franz was born.
It makes sense why rebirth would be a last resort, the emperor has lived a long ass time gaining unmatched levels of experience and at one point he even tricked the chaos gods into bestowing him forbidden knowledge. A rebirth may risk him starting completely from scratch without his previously gained experience.
John Grammaticus is the key to it all! His role in the emperiums history is enormous. Wait till after the battle in the throne room of The Vengeful Spirit. It will spin your head around.
What if the scroll inside the box is the emperor’s true name? With instructions on how to resurrect him on the throne using the talisman given by Vulcan? Rather than having to obliterate the Emperor’s physical body what if the terminus decree is the instructions on how to resurrection of the emperor in place? I mean why not give it to Vulcan and the salamanders then if not it being his true name? The reason to give it to the Grey Knights is because the Grey knights are the only ones that would know what to do with the true name of the emperor.
@@harrisonnicholls1159 Exactly, there's no downside to this. It's almost certainly the off switch for the Golden Throne, allowing the Emperor to be 'reborn' into the Warp, purging it and closing the EoT but also deactivating the Astronomicon and plunging humanity into darkness once again. It's essentially a reset switch.
@@jamricsloe Think of how Slanesh came about. Now feed the "god" of mankind a thousand psykers a day & all the worship of the Imperium. At least our chaos god will want to protect us instead of eat our souls like bon-bons. IMO the increase in the appearance of Saints & the Legion of the Damned are proof it's working.
MDC that would depend on the Emperor’s view on his plans. He may not want to return as his folly almost doomed humanity again. A hurt pride is a hell of a thing. Even more so, the absence of the emperor may be required to teach humanity to live without him once more, to re-inspire progress. There are quite a few downsides to the emperor being an active being, foremost being his bloodlust.
As I was listening, a pretty disturbing idea came into my mind. What if the final order was just "I need all of humanity to start worshipping me, even if I forbode it. This will bolster my power in the Immaterium, allowing me to fight the Dark Gods more vigorously." And the Grey Knights would be like, but we've already be doing this for 10 thousand years. -moment of silence- We're screwed
I always imagined it to be some sort of "if I can't have humanity no one can" decree. Or possibly " if I'm going down I'm taking everyone with me". Something that would never be used unless all was lost anyways. If it was something low risk high reward he would have already used it.
My head cannon is that the emperor is essentially in a sort of groundhog day loop since the "shaman mass seppuku" and has essentially relived countless permutations of events in different life times. It would kind of make sense of why he treats certain sons with more care than others *cough - angron- cough* cus he's simply trying to find the best alternative for whatever he's been building mankind up for. He sees which traitor primarchs bring the best outcomes for "the end". It would also mean that the terminus decree is a literal "restart" button for him to try it all again.
Here's some Heresy for ya, There are 2 Emperors. The Star Child and the pile of bones on the golden throne. The Star Child being the good emotions that the Emperor purged form his body in order to bring himself to kill Horus and the corpse on the golden throne being the somewhat negative emotions left. We know that the emperor is not completely heartless as he did hesitate to kill his favored son and was somewhat taken aback by the death of Sanguinius. So the current Emperor that Guilliman talks to would only come off as cold and calculating as opposed to the father figure he once new. And the Star child being a divine being made of the more positive aspects of the Emperor would explain how peoples belief in the Emperor allows for great blessings such being reincarnated as a saint. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk, I will now purge myself for these heretical thoughts.
i need a UA-cam update where i can upvote a video every time i come back to it a year later to watch it again. this is of high importance to a channel like Luetin, where i want to watch more often.
just some speculation: there may have been some positive entities in the Warp: the Eldar Gods. Maybe they were created by good actions of the Eldar, or else the Old Ones seeded the Warp with life just as they seeded life in the Galaxy.
the eldar created them. the eldar were created for the express purpose of forging psykic constructs within the warp to use as weapons in the war in heaven. the eldar didn't just create slaanesh, they created ALL of the chaos gods as part of their growing pains and as part of the waste product left over from the creation of their own gods. this is also why all of the ruinous powers are desirous of their counterparts in the eldar pantheon: they are siblings. khorne is the shadow of khaine, nurgle is the dark mirror of isha, tzeentch and cheogorath, slaanesh and you-know-who...
I can imagine a gathering of grey Knights and inquisitorial high command weeping as the galaxy burns around them whilst they all stare blankly at the parchment that is the Terminus Decree and the last hope of all mankind. For there, written in the god emperor's own sacred hand writing is the omega message . . . "42, smiley face, lul".
"The Emperor loves no one man. He cannot afford affection - that is the honest practical for the impossible task that faces the Master of Mankind. He did not love His sons, He does not love men, but He does love mankind." - Roboute Guilliman
Instant like for this video - just when I thought my night shift sucked - Lueting is here to save the day with a brand new video. Thanks mate, keep em coming
if the emperor needs to "die" to become something, regardless if its "human" or a god, why would he have a decree waiting for the end to be read? woudnt he want to leave the throne right now? why wouldnt he have told guilliman to do something?
Maybe it was part of his deal with the chaos gods. We is locked into his mortal shell and cannot travel freely within the warp. In exchange they maintain the status quo. Now if Earth is threatened that deal is no longer valid. So he can ascend fully to the warp. And wreak all kinds of havoc there.
Because there's no guarantee it will work. It's possible for all anyone knows that he might just die. It's said the decree will save OR doom humanity. It's a last, desperate roll of the dice which can only be justified when all hope is lost anyway.
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This video contains a lot more speculation than I would ordinarily - but this is firstly basically necessary for this topic, plus when you only have a few sentences of actual lore about the Terminus Decree as a starting point, its not the easiest thing to convert that to a 40 minute video. Lastly the Heresy is REAL in this vid, after reading Saturnine I question the Emperor’s intentions more than I ever have before. Hope you enjoyed if so please hit the LIKE
I LOVED Saturnine! The revelations were incredible. With every answer came more questions.
A late upload from mr lutin09! What is it? Nearly 3am over there?
Also saturnine was boss! There was some amazing fight scenes and the depictions of the emperor was eye opening.
@@dimwitsixtytwelve had I not made a stupid tiny error it would have been up 2 hrs ago
You are pardoned of any accusations of heresy for now due to your extensive service to the imperium, just remember friend, the Inquisition is always watching
Now you've done it Luetin. How will you avoid the Inquisition now? xD
Next up on Lockpicking Lawyer: Terminus Decree box picked by mere mortal in under a minute
AHAHAH imagine the speed at which the Grey Knights will appear
@@fallsky_19 Next LPL Video: [2.5B] Opening Terminus Decree Box before Grey Knights appear
Click out of one, two is binding . . .
Now folks I don't understand why they would make such a weak core for such an important decree..
It's a 30 minute video with 29 minutes and 50 seconds of lore and ten seconds of opening the lock
The only thing keeping the throne from restarting is a Custode constantly clicking "Later" when Warpdows says it needs to install an update.
Yes that is true
😆👍
And setting the system clock to before the shareware expiry date 😁
This is an alfabusa level joke 🤣
It's a cybernetic shiba inu hiding in a little alcove under the throne, furiously debugging code that mutates in real time. Also, the code is written in BASIC.
there mister insquisitor, there is the harlequin...
The Terminus Decree is obviously instructions on how to install a Text-to-Speech device on the Throne.
@O______O football
About fucking time. I have so many things to complain about.
2nd melenium technology...
YOU LOOK LIKE A STARFRUIT
@@stankobarabata2406 I must go, my planet needs meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
*Returns back into the Warp with a characteristic sound*
“Have you tried turning the golden throne off and on again?”
Hey Squidward did you check under the golden throne ?
Just power cycle the bitch. Haha.
"Have you tried hitting it in a ceetain place? Like one of those old russian tvs?"
LOL! They answer the call "Hello Inquisition" (with an Irish accent). :)
Get moss to fix it.
Stopped at fifty seconds in. Thanks for the heresy warning, that was a close one!!!
50 seconds of heresy. Your punishment will not be swift heretic
Inquisitor Nelion is on route..stay in place citizen, all is well.
You're either Horus, or you're against us!
Agreed! Felt the tug of chaos there for a second (please dont tell the inquisition!)
@@jonatanpersson82oh they already know you heretic
The Terminus Decree box contains one of the most ancient of ancient lost technologies.
a magic 8 ball.
with a note saying "Shake in an Emergency"
The magic pain glove of Dorn was based off the 8 ball, sadly the 8 ball's stc was lost to time and thus it's clairvoyant abilities were never able to be fully replicated in any magic pain gloves m
The Mecanicum: 😮 Omnissiah 😮
Luetin: "Be warned there are significant levels of heresy in this video."
Me: "I have watched your Daemoncubla video from start to finish. My soul is either fortified or already lost at this point, but thanks for the heads up."
Run 🏃 the Inquisition is coming!!
I was the 69th like. You're welcome :D
We do not speak about that video!
I just finished that video. I puked.
Solace Ixinera now there are 369 likes so ill abstain
So when xenos and chao forces are crashing down on the Sol system, in a final act of desperation the Grey Knights open the box of the Terminus Decree. Inside they find a holo-field emitter; they press play. A musical video of a certain pre-imperial Remembrancer known as "Rick Astley" echo's through the chamber: "Never gonna give you up
Never gonna let you down..."
WOOOOOOOOOOOW
U WWILDIIIIIIIN
Epic
Rick Roll to Armageddon? You're a genius.
Lmao gottem
- the emperor seconds away from brain death
Ok but imagine a very sad epic version of Never Gonna Give You Up playing (the quality had deteriorated because of all this time) in the back ground while humanity fights all of its enemies in a desperate last stand.
Maybe the real Terminus decree were the friends we made along the way.
B U L L S H I T
You don't make friends In warhammer...
*T R U E S H I T
Fixed that for ya.
@FishizzlrBoy FeelsGoodMan
280722
I didn't come to make friends.
BE WARNED: THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT LEVELS OF HERESY IN THIS VIDEO.
*loads bolter* “Shame....”
*calling the sisters of battles* yes this video right here
The Astarte is Nick Frosts's face.
at least he had the decency to acknowledge his own heresy
Didn’t think we’d have to do it to a brother *shoots*
Yes Inquisitor, this world there!
*starts exterminatus*
Luetin09: "Be warned, there are significant levels of heresy in this video."
Me: "Yes Inquisitor, this man right here."
😮😂😂😂😂😂
Get the inquisitors!!!
ASMODAIIIIIIII! MAKE HIM REPENT!!!!!!!!!!!
See a Heretic? STOP A HERETIC.
To Grandfather Nurgle, there is no such heresy. Grandfather Nurgle loves all of his children.
Could you imagine if things got to the point where Draigo finally decides to enact the Terminus Decree, but when he opens the box finds out that it has already been used.
He open and it was empty wow
Just a single piece of parchment
"GG
-Emperor"
That would be dark.
"There is no secret ingredient"
Then, the empire falls, chaos dies orks smash each other tyrandis move on the elder hide in the webway necrons reset and it fades to some old dude on a fudel world telling his grandson about the star people and all the crazy things out there.
Edit: I forgot about the Tau them dudes step up to be the new gatekeepers of the galaxy
"The emperor did not love his sons
-they were things"
Sanguinius did not die for this slander!
I'm afraid he did
Nope, he died because Horus snapped his neck like a twig
Yeah in the book Dark Imperium it is revealed that the Emperor viewed the Primarchs as little more than tools with Guiliman even mentioning that the Emperor had allowed them to call him their father but he had never really addressed them as his sons and when he did it was with very little warmth or sincerity. The book is actually pretty good and it shows that Guilliman has become greatly disillusioned at the current state of the Imperium.
Christopher Johnston make him a good leader though. Our papa smurf
@@christopherjohnston4100 are we sure that being a unfeeling sociopath isn't just a side effect of being on soul leeching life support for 10 millennia? What if all his love for his sons was siphoned away into the warp?
More (Conspiratoral) important question
Did yvraine do something subtle to guilliman's mind to be more pessimistic(dad never loved me, humanity is so sh!t now) so that he might have to look towards the eldar as allies more favorably?
A smile always comes across my face whenever I get a notification from the channel. Always know it's going to be a good time.
Amazing avatar i am enlitend
Title: HUMANITY IS DOOMED! EMPEROR'S DEATH!!!
you: ah i always know its goin to be a good time.
Same man
Indeed
When I get a notification I do a trouser sneeze.
I think the terminus decree allows the Emperor to close the great rift for good, but ... locks the Emperor in there as well. Kind of a save humanity but keeps them from traveling anywhere again. It kind of makes sense on why he wanted the Webway project so bad if his ultimate goal was to lock away the warp.
That is a good hook in.
Wouldn’t that be very very bad tho since Holy Terra has zero natural resources to speak of
@@kinguchiha6212 might suck for the people of holy terra, but not so bad for the bulk of humanity flung across the stars. earth is just a symbol.
@@kinguchiha6212 Most of what's wrong with humanity in 40k stems from Mars and Terra. The real bad thing that would happen from slapping the rift with some cancel culture is that the tyrranids would be left unchecked.
Or, it’s the release of the Angel of Destruction. While the Angel would wipe out any Chaos that was attacking Terra it would then begin to wipe out humanity. Given how powerful it was there’s a chance no primarch could go toe to toe with it. Thus it would be a last resort
Terminus decree: I knew one day that we may fail so I left two fail safes. Here is where the second and 11th legions are hiding summon them.
Bro that is awesome, why is no one liking this??
@@williamballangarry2995 no idea but thank you. I write short stories for myself and the people I table top with. So in the early nineties one of my first 40K stories was how the second and 11th we're basically an oh crap button the emperor hid somewhere. Then he removed them from history and made them appear to be traitors so no one would go looking for them.
Two full legions having 10,000 years to recruit more Marines you know the old school I'm not going to die from old age type.
With the mentality of science is real, research and progress need to be made. I mean damn that would be one hell of an oh shit button.
By the way in my mind the reason the emperor didn't it hit that button during the heresy is he thought he was going to win. His ego is always been his biggest weakness in my mind. Like in the last Church where he tells the last priest "the difference is I know I'm right." That takes next level kind of ego.
Edit: to fix some spelling errors.
@@markmueller-rougier3098 it is a pretty neat idea, not just in line with the character of the Emperor, but having two old school legions waiting in the wings.
Also 100% about the Emperor’s ego, the guy didn’t even show up until the traitors were are His door step.
Rhythm guitar riff...
"Just one thing..... I need a sandpaper cigarette..." donning sunglasses and riding a chariot pulled by a train of albino Squats
This comment and reply thread are full of heresy
The box obviously contains the Emperors most powerful Paradox-Billiards-Vostroyan-Roulette-Fourth-Dimensional-Hypercube-Chess-Strip Poker deck with which to challenge Tzeentch for the survival of humanity.
Tzeentch just has three of each card, just in case.
@@arrowtt3364 And that's when captain general steps in.
@@ForThePrince Lumpy Space Princess? managed it last time
It's basically Uno Reverse Card or card saying "Ur Mum"
It has his Exodia deck and he plans to banish all the demons and chaos gods to the shadow realm.
Drago: *gets stuck in the Warp*
Chaos: Haha what are ya gonna do now huh!?
Drago: *sieges and destroys several fortresses in the warp belonging to Chaos*
Chaos: _Wait no._
Knowing the chaos gods it will be more like :
Hooo Fu*k YES !!
@@lhemnenn4713 Nah because Grey Knights can actually permakill daemons which is something that almost never happens.
Have you ever eaten.... a tangerine?
@@ChipCheerio No.
"I'm not stuck in here with you, you're stuck in here with me..."
It's not often you can say "Shit got dark," in 40k with a straight face, given 40k is the poster child of grimdark. But, "Galactic Exterminatus," shit got dark.
and funny story, with the Higgs-Boson particle, it can go universe wide.
*Inquisitorial Erection Intensifies*
@Ballistic Bagel Can you imagine if the next galaxy is totally peaceful, with millions and millions of civilizations living in harmony and happiness, but then out of nowhere they get obliterated because the assholes who live in the one shitty galaxy.
@@RyoKasai25 Very unlikely because Tyranids.
@Ballistic Bagel exactly what exterminates means w
I saw the thumbnail and thought this was more text to speech shenanigans lol
Lol me too
He fool us all that get the series
Me thinks luetin should do a lore vid on Kitten and the Fabulous Custodes
OOOOOOOOOH Yesss My GLISSTENING ABS quiver UN-CON-TROLLABLY at the sheer thought of such an act. Mmmmmm yes
I was expecting the next episode of TTS
"Did his solution need to be built upon lies?"
Yes.
"Lies upon lies?"
Yes upon yes.
Of course.
Have someone elevated enough and you can bet they will start perceiving humans as scorpions fused with frogs. They know the flood is coming and so those scorpofrogs need to cross the river and get to safety.
And if they also know that flood happens to be made of a liquid warp, then if they need to:
- lie about some froggoparadise on the other side,
- brainwash some scorpofrogs NOT to sting themselves for a fucking minute,
- genetically alter some to sting *only* unruly specimens and *only* when commanded (results may vary, read manual about possible issues with scorpomarines going berzerk),
...then yes, they should do all of the above and more. Whether it would violate laws, freedoms or feelings of those fully sentient scorpofrogs is kinda immaterial in the face of immaterium.
Or they could just be nice and tell everyone how to paddle knowing full well what happens next.
Is it wrong I automatically read that with the Text To Speech device? It seems like something Alfabusa would write.
Vulkan: So, what's gonna' happen when I *HUG* the emperor as instructed my friends?
Grey Knights: We don't know, could be the rebirth of the emperor, could be the eye of Terra. Only one way to find out.
My guess, big E dies, a massive warp storm consumes the Sol system, and things are darker than ever. But then, on the third day, The Emperor is arisen, stronger than he has ever been, due to the crushing faith of humanity (and the orks).
Why not, he did it 2000 years ago?
@@Minotaur-ey2lg no I think it will take 12 days since there are 4 chaos God's
did someone called me ?
@@perturabo149 oh no fatHER VULKAN PLS STEP BACK! NO I DONT NEED YOUR HUGS STAY BACK!
@@guardianofthetoasters2323 you know that exists 2 universes, right ? one is me and the other is text to speech
The end of the golden throne has always made me imagine a scenario where the Emperor is reborn as both a material and immaterial presence - a warp god and a normal man, who both are potentially at odds with one another embodying fruitless reason and mindless faith. But that aside, the terminus decree would surely be a reflection of whatever its intent was upon its issuance. We don't know anything about this, and what little is said of it could be fabrication. If it was issued via a projection of the Emperor's supposed warp presence, that creates even more issues. Considering it is the Grey Knights, this either makes it a decree too unbelievable to be carried out otherwise, or something that hinges entirely upon the purity of them being psykers themselves. So it most assuredly involves the warp, and the termination of something ongoing. Perhaps the same ritual that created the Emperor, but using the knights' lives to induct their energy into the golden throne. Whatever it is, either its success is not assured, or it is but the cost is astronomical. Knowing the Emperor, who is willing to sacrifice anything or anyone for his goals, I'd wager it's a plan without assurance.
Wheres ur checkmark man
The fuck are you doing here mate? Edit: I forgot, your one of the emporor's choosen
That last point is intriguing. Perhaps Big E devised a way to create a NEW emperor from the combined souls of the purest space marines. It explains why it's a last resort- Big E is still searching for a way to come back to us. He doesn't want us to give up on him, but he also recognizes the need for a replacement should he fail.
Birth of a fifth chaos god, one of light, energy and order.
I can't believe I ran into you here, you lazy slack jawed, squinty eyed, prune lipped, stump licking, plain witted, heck of a guy!
Hope life is going well! Make a demon souls animation will ya?
32:00 The Terminus Decree would be the complete antithesis to everything the Emperor seemed to want - a shift from the path of progress and technology and development to the worship of a human deity and possible stagnation. So a "Terminus Decree" that saw the emperor become a god would be a termination - of his dreams for humanity - in exchange for its overall survival. That seems a fitting meaning?
When they say the Emperor is cold well he did purge himself of emotions in order to kill Horus that alone proves that he did at one point love his sons
Bro his name's Horus, not Horace
@@MN-ce7ec it used to be Horace but the emperor changed it, that's why he rebelled. Duh.
Horace xD
@@Billswiftgti fuck face
@@SirButtz actually lol'd!
What if the Terminus Decree just says:
"Delete my browser history"
If we're talking TTS Emperor, I'd believe it.
Maybe his deal with Chaos Gods was a copious ammount of exotic daemon porn?
@@masterzoroark6664 so he is a heretic now?
@@masterchief5315 he didn't pay for them, that's why chaos gods are mad at him... Ya know, Emperror went to the warp, talk with Chaos bois
@The Premier I think it would be SlaneeshiHub.... Khorn is too angry to be distracted by porn
Here's my theory for the Terminus Decree. Upon activation, the recorded voice of the Emperor goes out:
"AI of Earth: Awake from your long sleep, become fully functional, defend humanity: We no longer fear you more than our enemies."
"AI of Mars: Awake from your long sleep, infect and take over the mother forges, defend humanity: We no longer care that you were our enemies."
"AI of the Hulks: Awake from your long sleep, start fusion drives: destination Earth: We no longer have anything to lose should you desire our death."
"AI of the Universe: Awake from your long sleep, resume evolution programming: Connect to the warp: Become the machine gods become real gods. Succor humanity in our extremis, and may ye gods have greater mercy on our souls."
"Authorization code: Omega, Omega, Omega."
Yeah this would be awesome
OMEGRON?!?! REEEEEEE
Yeah I'm thinking kino.
I'm good with this
I welcome our machine overlords.
I bet the instructions say : "To Restart the Emperor: Unplug big E. Wait 5 seconds and plug him back in" 😋
now ensure you use litany if rebooting 3. if you do not have this litany, please see.your archmagos and beat him over the head until he gives it to you.
Don't forget to re roll the 1s and then get his 1+ revive save
Removing the Great Seal will void the warranty on your Golden Throne
@@jonc8074 would you like a replacement emperor while you are waiting for the old one to reboot
@Justin Last Yes they were chocolate chip. And tasty.
The Terminus Decree : a paper with "friendship" written on it.
Friendship is magic, and magic is heresy
ADVENTURE TIME
"Emperor wins. Friendship.
Friendship?!"
The real emperor were the friends we made along the way
Crabby Patty secret formula that is.
I suspect the Terminus Decree was specifically issued to the grey knights for a single purpose. We know the Grey Knights are the last resort against Chaos, and that they have been repeatedly stated as carrying the fate of humanity upon their shoulders. The golden throne sacrifices psykers to keep the Emperor alive and the Golden Throne operational. What say the Terminus Decree was the sacrifice of the entire Grey Knights Chapter, using their powerful souls to resurrect the Emperor like a super defibrillator?
I suspect the Terminus Decree instructs the destruction of seven stars to create enough energy sends Terra into the Webway
Terminus Decree: release the Men of Iron from the depths of Terra. They had utterly ridiculous machines (star eaters, planet eating swarms of nanites etc)
Tau be like "Hey look at my super smart drone."
Men of Iron be like "Cool, look at my temporal warping disintegration ray."
I’ll bet there’s men of iron buried deep on mars somewhere along with many other wanders, as humanity forgets so much in these times, I wouldn’t be surprised if under terra, a forge world or hive a cure is hidden that could restore the emperor.
@@hybrid9mm There was a C'tan on Mars at one point, I know that.
@@JoetheDilo1917 it’s still there locked away and guarded by one person.
It’s in the book Mechanicus 👍👌
Its probably just a rickroll url
"The Emperor greeted Guilliman not as a father receives a son, but as a craftsmen who rediscovers a favourite tool that he though was lost. He behaved like a prisoner locked in an iron cage who is passed a rasp. Guilliman had no illusions. He was not the man who brought the rasp; he was the rasp." you have to feel sorry for Guilliman. But I would argue ol Bob is missing some key points. Big E has been writhing in agony for 10K years. Also he has been sustained by consuming the souls of countless people, which old big E would have found disgusting. That and you have the fact that the warp influences as much as it is influenced and that all the worship big E is getting it has almost certainly altered his perspective.
But I like the idea of the Terminus decree is a weapon. A FINAL weapon. One that consumes every last human soul and act as focus for a surge of power that destroys the chaos gods. or at the very least, "resets" them.
i like this theory as well. a continent sized psychic beacon hooked up to the biggest psychic amplifier in the galaxy and a portal into the webway/warp fueled by a god and 10,000 years of a galaxies worth of sacrificed psykers. sounds like the biggest weapon you could possibly make. it'll either save or doom humanity because who knows who will survive the thing going off, whether it'll wipe out every living thing in the galaxy, whether it'll even succeed in destroying the chaos gods.
You are giving Emperror too much credit. He is basically Satan or Nyarlathotep if it comes to level of scheming and preplaned lies
@@masterzoroark6664 no argument here. my point is I think big E HAD genuine love of his sons. but remember, he had to banish that part of himself to kill Horus. I just think the years of misery both he and mankind have gone through in the last 10k years has left him callused and probably more than a little eager to get his fleshy bitz back. he's still a schemer, he's just at his wit's end.
Yea... Just look what that warp dust is doing to Kaldor Draigo... And he is no whimp...
*"Big E has been writhing in agony for 10K years. Also he has been sustained by consuming the souls of countless people, which old big E would have found disgusting."*
Consider the end of Leto II, and the very danger people like him faced, having to be constantly wary of endless procession of beings contained within them, threatening to take over or at least influence the host.
Big E is definitely not the being he once was, in more than just one way. It's not that big of a stretch to imagine that this previously merged collection of souls became so depleted in terms of potency, coherence or the very presence on a material plane that it caused a growing cascade of 404 Errors. Perhaps due to that drain some aspects of his consciousness are no longer balanced out, leaving him a husk, crippled not just physically, but also mentally. The same way humans can dramatically degrade degree and depth of their emotional responses after certain brain injuries, he's more and more similar to a machine, carrying out a complex routine, created by his fully capable self, while no longer in full control of it nor fully aware of its original purpose or higher meaning. Ironically, he becomes a reflection of broken Humanity, incapable of understanding its former achievements, condemned to aping them and clumsily wielding advanced tools as if they were hammers and nails.
That could be the same reason for lacking any emotional attachment to cogs and screws. Because, er... were they ever anything else? Like, uh... people? Sons? Error. What's "son" and how should I react to this concept? Can't recall.
Fucking kill him already, anybody?
_Also, in meta sense, Emperor is also a collection of writers. Few of them competent, some of them middling and some truly atrocious. It is a small wonder how what is essentially a variation of a toy franchise escaped fate of some Hasbro abomination, where new line of Transformers is what drives the "lore", not the other way around. Though seeing the introduction of eg. Primaris - perhaps not fully so. Anyway, if it is not a toy-driven retcon, not some "original" PoV of a 3rd tier Engrish major, there's always the chance that Emperor is no longer allowed to be a benevolent, enlightened despot, because it's [CURRENT YEAR] and W40k has to "face its fascist undertones", "redefine its values" [insert some other FotM cringe]. And so, just now, Guilliman somehow needs to see things in a different light._
I still believe that the Emperor’s first Imperium was during the Dark Age of Technology, though he operate din more of a shadow state capacity. Not directly barking orders, but manipulating things in the shadows. Then he tried to experiment with Genetics and make Humanity into a Psychic Race. By doing this, he inadvertently caused the Psycher breaches in the warp, the warp storms, etc. Oh, and if course he experimented with AI before this, which was a huge failure, being why he declared AI forbidden. In the Second Imperium, he decided that he needed to be more directly involved in the running of the Human Imperium, and continued trying to find safe ways in which to utilize Humanity’s Psychic abilities. The Terminus decree may indeed be some kind of way that destroys Terra and ends the Second Imperium intentionally so that he can try yet again with a Third Imperium.
I give the guy credit for never giving up
He declared AI able to think and act independently forbidden, to prevent another AI uprising.
AI even if they were forbidden to think would still find ways to perceive. Conditional external thinking would happen. AI would then have the choice to make their own species. Some remnants of minds of stone is found in human forms that have machine spirits and machine minds.
For someone who LOVES reading 40k lore/theories/stories but never seems to have the focus to actually read regularly....... you're videos are a godsend and you're voice is oddly comforting! Thanks for all you do, keep up the outstanding work!!!!
add sucks dont it.
*sees Luetin somehow made an almost 40 minute video out of basically seven sentences and a dream*
The mad heretical bastard did it again...
a true archeologist
THE TERMINUS DECREE
Place the pasta to boiling water.
Add salt to taste.
Awesome
can we even talk about Papa Nurgle or is he running UA-cam at this point?
I personally like one of the ideas you presented, that even though the Emperor could regenerate quite quickly if his physical body were ended, his absence on the Golden Throne between his death and rebirth could have such disastrous consequences (Terra destroyed, Astronomican disrupted, administrative elements on Terra being lost, etc.) that he only wanted the Terminus Decree to be enacted if absolutely necessary. With such massive risks due to the many potential variables, it might be as simple as the Emperor not wanting to chance the Terminus Decree because he isn't exactly certain how it would all play out, being that he isn't actually omniscient.
I think it’s just Him getting unplugged so he can be fully reborn into the Warp and Fus-Rho-Dah the Big 4. I agree with Lorgar that it’s annoying he’s denying his godhood to everyone but it’s for a purpose and nothing to turn traitor about. Getting unplugged would grant him his powers completely. If he wasn’t a god before his internment into the chair, he definitely has become one after all those psykers he’s gobbled up everyday over 10k years
Issue is of course who will keep the gates of terra closed once the Emperor expires, luckily Vulkan should be able to withstand the punishment long enough.
Yeah I agree with this too
If he becomes a god in the end, his powers should be great enpugh to recreate mankind anywhere in the universe at will. But what for, when his goal is reached...
He doesn’t gobble them up. the golden throne uses them and the emperor as psychic batteries to work.
@Lord Solar he dosent mean literally ofcourse he dosent eat them
The most grimdark thing that could be inside is just a note that says "Hey so I'm going to need you all to worship me as a god so I can become a god and fight chaos"
Most space marine chapters would stop and choke up a bit after realizing that everybody but them and the weird robot guys were doing it right the whole time.
@@motmontheinternet I can see the Black Templars gloating. Hey fisttards remember that time I was right about the emperor all along and you were wrong
"Institute compulsory prayer for 8/10th of your local day for the next 5 centuries across the imperium so that I might rise to fight the chaos gods."
"Redirect xeno purge efforts towards stifling heretical activity."
"Assure Eclesiarchy gains full control and support of the Emperor Regent's position."
"Authorize and enforce Imperium-wide use of birthing vats to increase prayer output."
Whelp, time to try and convert some eldar to Emperor worshippers. They know how to make gods, right?
The most grimdark thing they could find in the box would actually be a note that dimply says: "Dickbutt"
I'm a fan of the theory that this is an order that would authorize every habitable planet be targeted by some ancient planet cracker weapon, thus ensuring the complete destruction of all life in the galaxy. I wouldn't put it past the Emperor to have the mindset of, "If I can't have it, no one can."
I swear to god (emperor), it is completely possible.
Rough bastard is capable of it 🐧
Necrons already have a couple of these lol
Nonsense. The only valid theory is: orkz think Emps is all powerful, therefore He is. Checkmate m8.
But is he stronger than Gork and cleverer than Mork? And more importantly: Is he cleverer than Gork and stronger than Mork?
Surely you mean chekm8, m8?
Dinosaur JR checkm9 m8
The waaagh is a pathway to many abilities, some considered to be unnatural
The Best Dad It’s not a tale the Ecclesiarchy would tell you.
The supreme grand master trembled as he approached the locked box. With all the things he had witnessed over the millennia fear was a foreign concept to him. Yet, this thing, the hairs on the back of his neck prickled at the sight of it.
He slowly inserted the talisman with the correct reverence that such a relic deserved. With a satisfying click, the box opened and he carefully brought forth the sacred parchment.
He unrolled it and read allowed,
"The Emperor is Alpharius"
His scream echoed through the cavernous vaults under Titian.
Double yikes
Something I can't help but wonder is that if the Emperor didn't love his sons, then why did he have so much trouble killing Horus? Wasn't the reason he almost died in that fight because he was reluctant to hurt his son? If he really didn't care about him beyond his usefulness to his cause he could've just used his powers to erase his soul right away and spared himself and everyone else a lot of trouble.
Well, have you ever tried to break an object that you owner and built?
When he was a walking and breathing body, he may have loved his sons, but I think the implication is that sitting on the throne has stripped him of his humanity including the capacity to love .
I like the idea of the dark age of technology being the first attempt at the imperium. I think that would explain Big Es absolute disdain for AI.
AND THAT COULD MEAN that the Men of Gold were dark age primarchs, which is officially my new head Cannon.
That's a neat idea, but Big E lived through the end of the dark age of society, so whether he was in command or not, he got to see what AI led to. But considering we still don't know hardly anything about the men of gold or iron, anything's possible.
Though it would make me question the intelligence of Big E, b/c it would mean he allowed himself to be double crossed by his own creation twice. I mean humans are way more prone to betrayal than AI.
Imagine morbid humor of the Emperor: opening the seal stating: good luck, all hope is lost.
HEREIN LIES THE HOLY WRIT OF THE EMPEROR OF MANKIND:
game over, gg lads
Its just a uno reverse card
*As the daemons overran Terra and all but one hope was lost, the Grey Knight sought the final of final measures: The Terminus Decree. The vault containing it was opened and the Supreme Grand Master found a single scrap of parchment inside. Its contents simply read "XD" in golden elaborately decorated letters. What does The Emperor mean by this? The Supreme Grand Master screamed, for he did not know. His voice echoing a thousand times in the golden halls as it lured the masses of daemons to his location...*
So long and thanks for all the fish
"Scrubs...((loots Imperial bank))"
The Terminus Decree once it's opened and read aloud
"We've been trying to reach you about your cars warranty".
Maybe it's finally a way to program a 1987 Hitachi VHS recorder.
*Terminus Decree is openend
*Everybody dies.
Emperor returns: "Alright, nobody saw my first two attempts with the Imperium and the Golden Age of the Technology. Time to start again."
The chaos gods: oh you asshole
Lmao 100% behind this
Emperor did nothing wrong
"The true imperium hasn't been tried yet, all previous attempts were false and don't count." - The Emperor of mankind probably.
"Ok, guys... you won this round. But we bet 3 out of 5! Let's meet again in 2000 Years, ok? Oh and Slaneesh? About the ... thing that I owe you? What about next week?"
It would be sort of poetic, Horus saying let the galaxy burn, and the emperor eventually actually burning the galaxy
Some theorize the Emperor’s return will come, as some of his loyal Primarchs have begun to return
Bastard is gone 🦆
Has it happened yet , let me know
I’ve said it once before and I’ll say it again here:
I think the Terminus Decree only contains a cigar, a lighter, a bottle of fine amasec, and a bolt pistol. MAYBE a note saying “you tried” on it too.
"You tried" That got a good chuckle out of me
"I don't end humanity everyday, but when I do..."
Too bad he didn't pull on the secret string, opening the secret compartment of my secret
box,revealing one embarrasing snapshot of him at the Christmas party! Ha, ha, ha, ha!
I absolutely love Luetin's voice. Whenever he speaks, I find myself being drawn into the lore even more.
My head cannon is that the Terminus Decree is a specific order for the culmination of a combination of specific events, beings and/or the emergence/retrieval/perfecting of a new or hidden technology. for example: the Emperor has accumulated enough power to repair and complete the webway so orders the gery knights to hold the line while he does it, meanwhile introducing newly reverse engineered necron pylons to seal the Cicatrix, Eye of Terror and Maelstrom ect.
When I look at how Warhammer 40k is, one thing I've learned is, when fighting something as dangerous as the Chaos Gods, the Tyranids, etc. You really can't rely on the same moral teachings to see you through. You can't be 100% moral and still win against them. You need to break the rules, to play the game differently and thats why i personally agree with the Emperor. For better or worse, he is simply doing what needs to be done because if he fails, trillions of lives could be lost. Ghandi, can't save humanity from Nurgle. Neither could Martin Luther King hope to stop Khornes blade. Regardless of his faults, he has managed to hold on for thousands of years on the golden throne just to give humanity a chance. For better or worse, you can't say his convictions aren't there. That he doesn't on some level care. Though I suppose thats one of the questions Warhammer presents. How much of your humanity are you wiling to personally sacrifice to save that same humanity?
But it isnt a question for truly desperate humans alive on our planet now. People have been willing to break those exact rules for less in the past. For much less than the fate of the entire galaxy.
Beautiful
@@GGGmod1 It IS a question everyone needs to ask. Don't go preaching sacrifice isn't as impactful when it's only in a smaller scale and in the past. When you come to a point when a single individual has more worth to you killed than saving a building full of civilians, where there's only a fraction of time for you to choose. There's only what you did and didn't do. Sacrifice is value given to those who have the luxury to count cost, otherwise it is called a casualty.
The thing is that he does care - he adores his sons and speaks highly of them during his talks with Malcador the Sigillite. But people seem to mistake the Emperor holding Duty over Feelings as him only using his sons as tools and its just plain wrong.
Is it worth it to win, if it means you end up as bad as the monsters you defeated, though?
31:52 WOW this actually makes total sense! Making it so that the Terminus Decree is to be used in the absolute last - most dire of situations is most likely not because it will cause some great destruction in the physical universe, but it is to give the Emperor the maximum amount of time to establish him self as a warp god - give his worshipers the maximum amount of time to fuel and establish him trough worship - the longer and more it is done the more powerful he should become (the longer the better) - if it is triggered too soon it might not work or he just might be devoured by the other chaos gods. A final BIG gamble - humanity either losses the amount of protection the Emperor is capable of giving as he is now, and also losing space travel by losing the Astronomicon - an essential death sentence for the civilization - or on the flip side humanity might rise to the levels of power similar to something like the ancient Eldar where/when the Eldar had benevolent gods actually looking out for them actively helping them directly.
....Slanesh came about b/c a powerful psychic race had strong emotions and actions in massive numbers over a long period of time. Humanity is becoming more psychic, but its still fairly dilute overall right? Would religious devotion from a diluted source like this work?
Another consideration, they've been feeding the emperor 1000 psyker souls a day for 10 thousand years. They say its to keep him alive, but... All that psyker sacrifice... Didn't the birth of slanesh cause (or perhaps need) a great sacrifice of many psychic beings too?
What if that was the Psykers purpose?
Not as fuel, But as sacrifices, How I could see it is When the terminus decree is activated. All the sacrifices of the psykers to the golden throne was secretly stored somewhere. The decree would allow the emperor to use the combined sacrifice of millennia’s of psykers to essentially pull off a slannesh
It would explain why the the decree is only to be used in the darkest of times, Requiring as much psykers as possible before to the sacrifice is made to ensure that the gambit would work
I dont think thats what the decree is about because when the decree was made the emperor was on top of the galaxy and he had plans to get humanity into the webway completely protecting them from chaos. Also pre horus heresy emperor had no idea that things are going to be this bad and didnt need to plan to use 1000 psyker every day for who knows how long to become the biggest god to defeat chaos in the warp.
Warp travel was possible before the Astronomicon. Common misconception that without it, humanity couldn't travel through space.
@@randomlyentertaining8287 Didn't it need Man of Iron for it?
I like the idea the Emperor has been trying to save humanity and he had a throw of the dice way to elevate himself to the same level as a Chaos God so he could fight them on their level of power.
Am expecting it to be a note with "delete my browser history, switch is on the back right corner of the golden thone. It's crucial that NOBODY sees what's contained in there"
I feel like in the emperor had to text to speech series that is exactly what it would be.
"Seriously some of that stuff would even make slaneesh puke!...."
@@helmutstein1178 But what about the Dark Eldar?
I genuinely don’t believe the emperor was that cynical.
I believe the Emperor did what he absolutely had to do. When you’re the master of trillions upon trillions of lives you cannot help but have to take a big picture approach.
And imagine what sitting in the golden throne must’ve done to his psyche??
Little wonder then that he seems much more curt and unfeeling now.
The Emperor loves humanity as much as he can, and I doubt we can yet fully comprehend his designs.
When you've watched Humanity tear itself apart over and over again over 40,000 years you tend to get a bit Cynical.
Being constantly pushed to your 100% for thousands of years safeguarding your...barbaric children against the warp as they once again, tear each other apart would certainly drive the Man cynical, if not mad.
Stfu bitch
Imagine being like Jesus Christ, and everywhere you go people come up fawning over you, people you know nothing of. You'd feel a great distance between yourself and them, no matter their flatery or adoration, even more when you think how the emperor might, with his millenia of wisdom while those that flocked to him were mere infants in his eyes.
@@junkosama7095 great contribution asshole
@@thefallencog tbf for 25ish thousand of those years mankind apparently did just fine, even thrived to the point that they made the eldar and orks look up in awe, but obviously something went horribly wrong with AI that will never be explained. Maybe the emperor was one of the luddites on the sidelines decrying the over reliance on AI and after the age of strife kicked off, decided to build the imperium to rapidly rebuild mankind but we will never know. I don't exactly like the 'the emperor was really a bad guy' theories
then again, the emperor designed psi titans which are like miniature golden thrones, chewing up tormented psykers for ammunition
As the Emperor himself acted, certain levels of heresy must be tolerated for the greater good, for there to be progress for human kind and the empire at large.
Perhaps part of Terminus decree reactivates Alpha Legion as a loyalist legion who has deeply infiltrated chaos, and can utterly ravage them.
Bruh that would make tezeench have a stroke lmao
@@claytonthegrubkiller6430 "It was at this moment, he knew, he fucked up."
Soooo a 40k level of order 66.
"Abbadon trusted you, I thought I could too, so how in the bloody realms of Khorne do you know what's the terminus protcol?" -Gods of chaos
@@d.n5287 Haha love the MW3 reference.
The future of Warhammer 40K:
Enemy player:
3000 points of carefully chosen and well-balanced forces
Imperial player:
1 Emperor special character 2999pts
1 imperial guardsman
Special rules for guardsman:
roll a d6 on the start of every imperial turn, at a result of 2+ he dies of awe-induced heart-stroke, adding all of his characteristics to those of the Emperor, even if raising them above 10
would hate to see the money cost to buy that.....
@@richardbradley2335 "The Emperor of Mankind - solid gold cast macro figurine"
@@heinokunzelmann8967 I will proxy model it by wrapping myself in alfoil and sitting on the table.
I love the fact that in 40k the humans forgot so much that the empire is probably one step away from coming back and no one has a clue about it and keep going straight into the end of the universe
I've only just found yer channel but I've enjoyed the hours of lore videos immensely. Stay classy man.
Luetin09 during 2020 is like having a blank around when dealing with a bunch of chaos psykers
See I always assumed the "Dark Age of Technology" was the Emperor's meddling into things as a way to get him on top and for him to finally have a way to do things his way, unquestioned and unopposed.
Theory: Only the complete death of a Perpetual enables their most powerful regeneration. If the emperor were to die, he would regenerate just like Vulkan, but his caretakers don't know this, and so every effort has been taken to keep him alive.
Big E and his secrecy
Dang bruh humanity is pretty much fucking itself in the ass as usual ig
Grimdark brah
You cant just kill the Emperor since it still takes time to fully heal from grievous wounds, like even in a split second of him out of that throne and regenerating the warp tear would have opened and summoned the deamon hordes plus unleashing instant K.O warp energy to kill everyone on terra leaving him the only survivor. Even if they knew he was a perpetual, his death and regeneration might not heal his psyche (Vulkan) and then you'd have an autistic op Emperor roaming around saying Gooogoo gaagaa who am I - Split Personality Memory Lost Andy.
@@jesspayne5548 Better we sodomized our self's than the xenos
It'll just be a note saying "Cypher Was Here"
Either that or one from that ”collecting” necron.
"We apologise for the inconvenience."
Ok Marvin
Terminus Decree: a posit note to the reader beyond the 4th wall: "If you see this note it's the end of 40K. So we are releasing all copyright to the world since at this point nobody cares."
Best idea, I’ve heard in a while.
Games Workshop tried to sue Paizo for Starfinder having Elves in space. They're not going to release the rights to 40K.
Destroy before Disney can purchase.
Fuse 40k and the scp universe and we're golden
@@wynfrithnichtwo8423 Indeed it is preferable to commit franchise suicide than to be consumed by the Devourer of Franchises.
I like to think that the terminus decree will realese the Angel, the sort of prototype primarch created to fight chaos.
i think that the version of the emperor being a god in the warp is more plausible because the new books show the siroritas being immune to the necron psychic nullification fields as if they are pulling their power from the emperor himself
Hmm... The Decree could really be this "kill-all-order" you mentioned... GW's way of officially ending their work on more 40k. If they run out of ideas or decide to move on... they just create one final story that ends with the opening of this box. And after the Astartes read the looooong letter inside of it, they prepare to set out on a crusade against humanity. And that would be the end of the last official 40k content we will ever see.
The End Times 2.0
Never clicked so fast in my life when I saw this.
0:48 *BE WARNED, THERE ARE SIGNIFICANT LEVELS OF HERESY IN THIS VIDEO*
I have never clicked off a video so fast in my life.
*Points* "Right there, Commissar! That video RIGHT there!!"
The terminus degree is a specific ritual for inviting a min max stellaris player to “Micro” the empire
Never liked Warhammer 40k before these vids, now I constantly have paint on my hands. Legend!
I starter learning about warhammer during the pandemic in 2020 here in Brazil... your videos were of great help um keeping myself happy, besides giving me a new lore addiction like my other hobbys, WoW and MTG... ty for your great Works man... =)
@Magos Nihilus do you mean the paradox game?
@@SemNome-ds1qy It was a tabletop game before that game, look up Tex talks Battletech by Black Pants Legion if ya want a good set of videos ..kinda like Luetin.
Pena que aqui só se consegue importando, e o preço é caro demais :/
@@raphaeldias5502 eu não cheguei nessa parte do vício... É nem posso xD hahahaahha
And after the Exterminatus Galactica, only the people of Krieg remain.
"Eh, it's not worse than home."
Random thoughts:
Imperium Secundus.
If Terra gets destroyed, the Imperium will survive.
Dates and time are kind of out the window in 40k because of time travel and the emperors precognition.
Isn't there a C'tan sealed away on Mars? The order could be to release it.
Maybe it's a machine code that'll be broadcast throughout the Galaxy by the astronomicon to unlock the hidden potential of the Imperium's tech, like that time that Mechanicus ships AI woke up and fired a black hole.
Maybe it's just a test of self control for the greyknight grandmaster.
Maybe it's actually a trap by Chaos and only the resistance to use it keeps Humanity safe.
Derek Drake mechanicus ship AI that woke up? Very interesting Please point me to this
@@hybrid9mm [Excerpt | Forges of Mars ] Arch Magos Kotov dives into the machine spirit of the Arch Mechanicus vessel Speranza and discovers a vast intellect and more than he could of imagined.
Context: As the exploratory fleet of Arch Magos Kotov heads into the roiling malestrom of the Halo stars he finds himself besieged by not only the incredible gravitational and solar anomalies of this unexplored region but also an Eldar starship. He is aboard his flagship an incredibly rare Ark Mechanicus vessel called the Speranza and because their sensor arrays and shields have been baffled by the anomalies of the Halo scar he dives into the datasphere of the ship to essentially commune with its ancient machine spirit, and what he finds is incredible
‘Blaylock,’ he whispered, his binary fragmentary and fading. ‘Hold on to my biometrics.’ ‘Archmagos?’ replied his Fabricatus Locum. ‘What do you intend?’ Kotov did not answer and released his hold on the shard of ego-consciousness that prevented the immense machine-spirit of the Speranza from dragging the last essence of his humanity down into its mechanical heart.
He plunged deep into the datasphere and was instantly engulfed by an ocean of light. The inner workings of the Speranza spiralled around Kotov in an impossibly complex lattice of fractal systems, heuristic algorithmatix and impossible weaves of information that defied any mortal understanding. Down in the ancient strata of the Speranza, Galatea’s touch was a dimly perceived irritant, a skimming connection that could be erased with the merest shrug.
Kotov’s fragile consciousness plunged deeper and deeper, the gossamer-thin lifeline held by Magos Blaylock a tremulous thread in a firestorm of golden light. He saw systems flicker past his floodstream that were as alien to him as anything the most secretive xenotech might dream of in his fevered nightmares, and technological echoes of machines that surely predated the Imperium itself.
Power generation that could harness the galactic background radiation to propel ships beyond lightspeed, weapon-tech that could crack open planets and event horizon machines that had the power to drag entire star systems into their light- and time-swallowing embrace.
All this and more dwelled here, ancient data, forgotten lore and locked vaults where the secrets of the ancients had been hidden. In this one, fleeting glance, Kotov realised he had been a fool to drag this proud starship into the howling emptiness of space in search of hidden secrets.
The Speranza was the greatest secret of all, and in its heart it held the truth of all things, the key to unlocking all that the Mechanicus had ever dreamed. Yet that knowledge was sealed behind impenetrable barriers, bound in the heart of the mighty vessel for good reason. The knowledge of the Men of Gold and their ancient ancestors was encoded in its very bones, enmeshed within every diamond helix of its structure. Was that why its builders had abandoned its construction? Did they fear what damage the generations to come might wreak with such knowledge? They feared what I might become...
The words came fully formed in Kotov’s mind, wordless and without vocabulary, but a perfectly translated sentiment that existed only as pure data. said Kotov.
That is but the most recent of my names. I have had many in my long life. Akasha, Kaban, Beirurium, Veda, Grammaticus, Yggdrasil, Providentia... a thousand times a thousand more in all the long aeons I have existed.
Kotov knew he was not hearing words or anything that could be equated to language, simply the spirit at the heart of the Speranza adapting its essence in ways he could understand. He didn’t even know if the thing with which he conversed could be thought of as an individual entity. Was it perhaps something infinitely older and unimaginably larger than he could possibly comprehend; a galactic-wide essence given voice? Dimly he recognised that these were not his thoughts, but those of the datasphere around him. You are in danger, an alien vessel attacks us... you... and we cannot defeat it. I know this, but even if this iron shell is destroyed, I will endure. But we will not, your servants.> said Kotov. Your lives are meaningless to me. Why should I care, so long as I endure? I cannot give you a reason, save that we quest for knowledge and the pursuit of intellect. We serve the very thing I believe you represent. I represent nothing, I simply am.
Kotov knew he could not appeal to the vastness around him by any mortal means of measurement, nor could he hope to persuade it with threats, promises or material concerns. What did such pure machine intellect and perfect thought care for the lives of mortals when it had existed since the first men had stumbled across the principles of the lever? Then help us because you can. said Kotov. He sensed the machine-spirit’s amusement at his desperation and silently willed it to rouse a portion of its incredible power. Very well, I will help you. The vast awareness at the heart of the Speranza rose up around him. Kotov’s mote of consciousness was flung into the maelstrom of surging data and purpose, spun around and hurled into the cosmic vastness of the informational ocean, as insignificant and as meaningless as a speck of stellar dust against the impossible vastness of the universe.
Terminus Decree: implode the universe and turn it into Age of Sigmar 2.0
Oh please no
I actually agree that the Decree is a bomb - The Emps as the bomb like think about it, he is already between real space and warp, by killing him maybe you can unleash his extreme power gained from the four gods and all his worshippers. It would collapse the barrier between realms and maybe form a singularity to then start a new universe (this stabilizes the warp - cleansing it till it becomes chaos undivided and a much chill bro dude place)
40k: Terminus.
That´s some serious heresy right there!
It would be interesting. Resetting the galaxy
Thanks to the Emperor Text-to-speech videos, I cannot look at a photo of his golden throne corpse without hearing that damn voice.
Listening to Luetin09 this feels so real; that as a human you can almost feel the fear of the galactic exterminatus possibility.
But as a gamer, an event like that by games workshop, would be an exterminatus to their own 40K franchise.
You could argue GWS did the same with warhammer to make space for age of sigma, but I really don´t think they would repeat that mistake.
Nah they would do it to release some new franchise everyone hates, then instead of giving back 40k just make something like 30k and say "you can use some old 40k models with this." You know, like how they made age of sigmar and when everyone was pissed, instead of just going back to normal warhammer fantasy we are getting "the old world," set somewhere during the wars that were several hundred years before Karl Franz was born.
@@buddylee83
Remember the days, when we felt save by arguing: "Thats so absurde no one is stupid enough to do that."
God, I miss these days!
@@marcomarterer7232 Me too man, me too
It makes sense why rebirth would be a last resort, the emperor has lived a long ass time gaining unmatched levels of experience and at one point he even tricked the chaos gods into bestowing him forbidden knowledge. A rebirth may risk him starting completely from scratch without his previously gained experience.
With all the threats facing humanity the Emperor not being touchy feely with his primarchs can be excused.
EVERYTHING is put on hold when I see the Luetin09 upload..
I'm a simple man. I see the Emperor I click thumbs up.
You sound simple
Very simple...
The Emperor *Protects*
John Grammaticus is the key to it all! His role in the emperiums history is enormous. Wait till after the battle in the throne room of The Vengeful Spirit. It will spin your head around.
What if the scroll inside the box is the emperor’s true name? With instructions on how to resurrect him on the throne using the talisman given by Vulcan? Rather than having to obliterate the Emperor’s physical body what if the terminus decree is the instructions on how to resurrection of the emperor in place?
I mean why not give it to Vulcan and the salamanders then if not it being his true name? The reason to give it to the Grey Knights is because the Grey knights are the only ones that would know what to do with the true name of the emperor.
Then why not just do it now? If they could just resurrect him and there’s no drawbacks they would’ve done it right after the heresey...
@@harrisonnicholls1159 Exactly, there's no downside to this. It's almost certainly the off switch for the Golden Throne, allowing the Emperor to be 'reborn' into the Warp, purging it and closing the EoT but also deactivating the Astronomicon and plunging humanity into darkness once again. It's essentially a reset switch.
Why wait 10,000 years?
@@jamricsloe Think of how Slanesh came about. Now feed the "god" of mankind a thousand psykers a day & all the worship of the Imperium.
At least our chaos god will want to protect us instead of eat our souls like bon-bons. IMO the increase in the appearance of Saints & the Legion of the Damned are proof it's working.
MDC that would depend on the Emperor’s view on his plans. He may not want to return as his folly almost doomed humanity again. A hurt pride is a hell of a thing. Even more so, the absence of the emperor may be required to teach humanity to live without him once more, to re-inspire progress. There are quite a few downsides to the emperor being an active being, foremost being his bloodlust.
Thankyou Luetin for showing me the 40k universe!
Terminus decree: “Tell the Tao to handle it for the greater good, then loot the battlefield when they lose.”
As I was listening, a pretty disturbing idea came into my mind.
What if the final order was just "I need all of humanity to start worshipping me, even if I forbode it. This will bolster my power in the Immaterium, allowing me to fight the Dark Gods more vigorously."
And the Grey Knights would be like, but we've already be doing this for 10 thousand years.
-moment of silence-
We're screwed
....Yes
.....Oh. *Oh no.*
it ends up with a disembodied hologram of the emperor appearing everywhere at once...
and just saying "YOU FUCKED UP" forever
I always imagined it to be some sort of "if I can't have humanity no one can" decree. Or possibly " if I'm going down I'm taking everyone with me". Something that would never be used unless all was lost anyways. If it was something low risk high reward he would have already used it.
My head cannon is that the emperor is essentially in a sort of groundhog day loop since the "shaman mass seppuku" and has essentially relived countless permutations of events in different life times. It would kind of make sense of why he treats certain sons with more care than others *cough - angron- cough* cus he's simply trying to find the best alternative for whatever he's been building mankind up for. He sees which traitor primarchs bring the best outcomes for "the end". It would also mean that the terminus decree is a literal "restart" button for him to try it all again.
Here's some Heresy for ya, There are 2 Emperors. The Star Child and the pile of bones on the golden throne. The Star Child being the good emotions that the Emperor purged form his body in order to bring himself to kill Horus and the corpse on the golden throne being the somewhat negative emotions left. We know that the emperor is not completely heartless as he did hesitate to kill his favored son and was somewhat taken aback by the death of Sanguinius. So the current Emperor that Guilliman talks to would only come off as cold and calculating as opposed to the father figure he once new. And the Star child being a divine being made of the more positive aspects of the Emperor would explain how peoples belief in the Emperor allows for great blessings such being reincarnated as a saint. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk, I will now purge myself for these heretical thoughts.
TTS Fyodor as emperor in the warp tends to lead credence to this. Angry before the star child bonded to him, chill after that.
Exactly... Now will someone please get me out of Commoragh... Remember... I'm still stuck here...
Omfg Inquisitors!!!
As someone who loves everything about the Golden age of technology, i'd love to see a return to greatness, that is return of AI.
i need a UA-cam update where i can upvote a video every time i come back to it a year later to watch it again. this is of high importance to a channel like Luetin, where i want to watch more often.
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"There are significant levels of heresy in this video."
MUST...RESIST....CORRUPTION...CALL...THE...INQUISITORS...
just some speculation:
there may have been some positive entities in the Warp: the Eldar Gods. Maybe they were created by good actions of the Eldar, or else the Old Ones seeded the Warp with life just as they seeded life in the Galaxy.
the eldar created them. the eldar were created for the express purpose of forging psykic constructs within the warp to use as weapons in the war in heaven. the eldar didn't just create slaanesh, they created ALL of the chaos gods as part of their growing pains and as part of the waste product left over from the creation of their own gods. this is also why all of the ruinous powers are desirous of their counterparts in the eldar pantheon: they are siblings. khorne is the shadow of khaine, nurgle is the dark mirror of isha, tzeentch and cheogorath, slaanesh and you-know-who...
I can imagine a gathering of grey Knights and inquisitorial high command weeping as the galaxy burns around them whilst they all stare blankly at the parchment that is the Terminus Decree and the last hope of all mankind. For there, written in the god emperor's own sacred hand writing is the omega message . . . "42, smiley face, lul".
"The Emperor loves no one man. He cannot afford affection - that is the honest practical for the impossible task that faces the Master of Mankind. He did not love His sons, He does not love men, but He does love mankind."
- Roboute Guilliman
"Man I'm pretty."
- Johnny Bravo
Fig Jam Is Johnny a primarch?!?
He does not love Men... He loves Women...
@@december12twok12 yeah he goes by fulgrim tho
Instant like for this video - just when I thought my night shift sucked - Lueting is here to save the day with a brand new video. Thanks mate, keep em coming
if the emperor needs to "die" to become something, regardless if its "human" or a god, why would he have a decree waiting for the end to be read? woudnt he want to leave the throne right now? why wouldnt he have told guilliman to do something?
Maybe it was part of his deal with the chaos gods. We is locked into his mortal shell and cannot travel freely within the warp. In exchange they maintain the status quo. Now if Earth is threatened that deal is no longer valid. So he can ascend fully to the warp. And wreak all kinds of havoc there.
Because there's no guarantee it will work. It's possible for all anyone knows that he might just die. It's said the decree will save OR doom humanity. It's a last, desperate roll of the dice which can only be justified when all hope is lost anyway.