Can The Tyranids Actually Be Defeated? | Warhammer 40k Lore
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The Tyranids are potentially the greatest threat to the entire Warhammer 40k setting - so that begs the question, can they actually be beaten?
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TLDR : Just throw Sly Marbo at the Hive Mind and wait 30 seconds....
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Hello Majorkill,
Would you kindly make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, the Ecclesiarchy? Pretty please? Thank you.
Rillen Epley might do a better job.
@@withlovefromlightindust591 "Would you kindly" bro just gave me flash backs
I much prefer your speculative, alternative fictional content than primarch history or notable astartes. Sorry but primarchs and astartes aren't that interesting in contrast to the entire setting. Even games workshop hasn't learned that.
In the newest Cawl lore book, Cawl has another way to stop the 'Nids using Black Stone. He said that even small amounts can be tuned to basically jam the Hive Mind on planetary or even solar system scale. Even if and when the Hive Mind adapts its appears Black Stone can be retuned and cause the effect again. Essentially psychic ECM techniques against the Hive Minds control. Since it doesn't appear the Hive Mind can permanently and completely adapt to the effect, only adapt to each frequency used in such an attack. Cawl suggested that if used at key moments in battle it could dispute the Hive Mind long enough for Imperial forces to strike mortal if not fatal blows. This would make the Hive Mind skittish and fearful of Black Stone attacks. So it would less aggressive and more methodical to try to mitigate such attacks.
The other idea that has been obvious since the beginning and I guess hasn't been used since GW would find it too effective I guess. Is placing Exterminatus grade weapons on planets in the path of a Hive Fleet, but put on Deadman switch. The idea being that once a world falls to the 'Nids the weapon would go off denying the Hive Fleet biomass and destroying all the forces and the expended biomass on the planet. After happening few times this would effectively neutralize splinter fleets as they would have lost too much biomass to continue and have to go into hibernation. Now the Hive Mind would send in Genestealer cults or during attacks actively hunt down such devices to neutralize them. But they could be rigged to go off if tampered with by unauthorized personnel or by the 'Nids themselves. The chance of early detonation, especially in the beginning as this strategy is first used would still be a risk, but it would still make the 'Nids highly skittish and fearful. Since they would know that once they achieved victory they instantly lose and it would hearten defenders if they knew, even if they fall the 'Nid's still lose. Odds are the Hive Mind would be so fearful of such devices and tactics that it have to use Genestealer cults to almost exclusively to take over planets first, to make sure a world had no device or try to deactivate it if possible. Even if the Hive Mind created a new bioform to counter it, if its possible, would still be such a major investment in biomass and make it such obvious target for defenders. Makes it questionable how useful/effective such bioform would be. In the end such a strategy of use doomsday devices on Deadman switches, could also cause major change in behavior as the Hive Fleets would bypass or at least suppress rather than destroy/consume planetary defenders in order to get the rest its biomass transfer towers up. So it could absorb as much biomass from rest of the planet as possible without triggering such devices by killing to many of the planets defenders.
Vulkan comes back with the galaxies largest can of raid.
As*
Vulkan and Leman Russ are the ones chasing the tyranids.
@@TheRewasder97 Where would as be in this sentence
@@kirthedeathgodlike1801 replace "with" with "as"
@@horpdorb40 I don't think they mean vulkan is the raid I think their making a joke about him bringing a giant can of bug spray which is the name of one of those brand of bug spray
I've always thought artillery filled with negatively charged black stone powder would kill the psy connection of the nids.
That is an interesting take but I thought negative blackstone was anti pykers warp based stuff, and that the nids were all psychic like mindflayer psychics based in reality but still able to influence it. as the shadow in the warp is specifically meant to screw over psykers just by sheer brain power
Just grind up black stone and "salt" a nuke with it. That would have a little more kick to it!
Blackstone is an insanely rare resource for the Imperium, and not well understood, either. Grinding it up and slapping it in artillery would be a huge waste, and the Mechanicus would probably have an aneurysm
@@LiamDillenas far as I understand it the tyranids comunicate through the warp and this is what makes the shadow in the warp, its literaly an overwhelming amount of comunication literally filling the corelated warp space near hivefleets
If Blackstone functions like it did in the Eisenhorn series or like normal matter, then blowing it up or severely heating it would destroy whatever charge you gave to it. It normally requires an active input to get it to whatever charge you need from it, and breaking it just returns it to its neutral or inert state.
The Nids will always have an unspecified but immense "main fleet" outside the galaxy so that regardless of how many Ws the other factions score, the threat will still be looming. After all this isn't Peacehammer 40k, the war is never meant to end.
>war is never meant to end
>proceeds to describe an inetvitiable a setting-ending event
thank you very cool!
Exactly.
Logically speaking the absurd number of Nids in even some of the smaller swarms should make any resistence pointless.
The only reason they get defeated at the last moment again and again is the fact that Nids are meant to be "the enemy", hence the protagonists will always somewhat win the day.
Even Chaos has a more defined character in the form of literal speaking, well Characters.
Meanwhile Nids or the one faction that never allies with anything, they eat whatever stands in their way.
Hence they behave less as a faction (within the lore), and more as a form of natural cosmic disaster.
the problem argument that the tyranids are OP if their main fleet arives is that every faction is way more OP once it achieves a certain goal.
I don't think the tyranids want their main fleet to arive after; Orks turned back into Krorks, Eldar including drukari and harlequins get a complete Yinead, Necrons unite under the silent king, Chaos reaches Terra again ,or the imperium successfully heals the emperor, and brings him back as a true god or at least is put in a position where it can focus on one threat at a time.
I think it would be cool if regardless of all that the Tyrannids can STILL push through, it's just a question of wether they want to dedicate the biomass and wether they can adapt faster than the galaxy can
That is why Warhammer is awesome every faction is so OP that they cancel each other out
@@TheChremix except the poor old tau, who are insanely powerful, but sre also like 7 planet's in the corner of the galaxy, occasionally biting at other factions heels and getting shaken off.
@@Santisima_TrinidadIsnt it like 100 by now?
@@vid101. Yes, a 100-planet-strong empire of hyper-advancing blue bois run by mind-controlling oligarchs. By 45k they'll basically be able to fuck up everyone and everything, but until then, they're kind just stuck
Or the necrons just go "ehhhhh, these things are messing with the balance if the galaxy." And suddenly poof goes the nids and the entire tenth if the galaxy their in.
gotta love the Celestial Orrery
I don't know man... if the hive mind sends a shitload of nids to a sector, the crons super nova spam them, and just does this through different sectors of the galaxy, you might end up killing valuable sectors for what they thought was the main force. There could just be trillions or more of those bugs and we'd never know...
Full power Horus would No-Sell the Orrey and wipe out the Tyranids, Orks, Necrons AND Eldar in just seconds!!!
@@christiandauz3742 Yeah... riiiiiiight...
@@Mastercio
Both Horus and the Emperor went to Cthonia in the past THEN Cadia post-Heresy
Tyranids and Necrons have no countet to such Time and Space powers!
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thanks you saved me so much time
Lol
Fucking insane.
absolute legend. Thanks man!
Must have taken ages getting those!
>Extremely heat proof tyranids
Somewhere out in Tiji Sector, Hive Fleet Nidhoggr collectively laughed.
The Imperium needs to pull another Kryptman and lure the Tyranids into Commoragh. Then shut Commoragh off from the Webway.
2 issues
1: getting there is a pain in the ass
2: The Khan is there.
Commoragh is IN the webway so not sure how you're cutting it off
@@Hurricayne92You can seal off sections of the web way
Counterpoint: Nids eat all Drukharii and turn into Super Zoanthropes that are now using the Webway to attack all around the Galaxy.
Plus The Imperium is incapable of shutting off parts of the Webway. Only the Eldari can do such things.
@@ahmedshaharyarejaz9886 They have a device that can alter the Webway like that. It is just being used at the moment as a life support system for Big E and it takes somebody with the physical durability of a perpetual and/or the psychic might of a a being equal to a Primarch to operate safely, so finding a user takes bringing the Emperor of Mankind back to a significant level of his strength or finding another being of similar abilities that is willing to do it while also somehow also keeping Bid E from taking the D-train through the Warp to reset where he will be attacked by Chaos in his massively weakened and basically crippled state before he can use his powers as a perpetual to fix himself.
As long as dark king plays paradox-billiards-vostroyan-roulette-fourth-dimensional-hypercube-chess-strip poker I think he's chill
Lol
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@@moonlight39echo Stop. Flicking. Your. Caaaaards.
Dark King definitely uses Bakura’s deck
@@Preaplanes
*stops drawing cards*
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Guilliman plus the Lion?
Surely the galaxy has a solid chance
Trazyn just has a perfect clone of Fulgrim that has all of the original Fulgrims memories up to his fight with Gulliman
He also has at least one enslaver, krork, a shit ton of space marines from all over and Creed as dessert. He can choose who wins or loses if he wants to.
Nope. The imperium has lost its most potent weapon against the Tyranids. Phospex. That stuff would utterly ruin them so unless they rediscover an STC for that stuff then they're still utterly fucked.
@@spartan8090the magic of plot
Two things in my head cannon,
1) Necrons, can destroy the nids by themselves. They have the orrery after all.
2) They are really a Ctrl, Alt, Del, protocol from a surviving old one. Eldrad convinces the space toad to chill, and the nids get Ctrl, Alt, Del instead.
My head canon is this. They are the result of their own warhammer situation in another galaxy. This is what they had to become in order to ultimately win, just this all consuming monstrous tide that now has to strip galaxies bare to survive. Moving from one to another, dwindling between each galaxy, bolstering their numbers each time, but ultimately loosing little by little, feeding on each other in the wide dark and only recovering a portion from the biomass of the galaxies they consume. So there's probably not as many of them as there might seem, but they're desperate, a little tragic, and a horrifying example of what kind of abominations survival at all costs can create.
I agree. I think the nids are the perfect weapon for the old ones to reclaim the galaxy. If all life is purged from the material galaxy, there would only be three factions left, the drukari (who are safe in the webway for a while, but without fresh people to torment would destroy themselves), chaos (who would be safe in the warp for a while but suffer the same fate as the drukari) and the necrons. However, because of bio-transferrance, the necrons cannot reproduce and so if there was a way to permantly kill them they could be whittled down. Once the galaxy has been scoured of life, then the warp will become peaceful over time and be similar to what it was like before the war in heaven
"It'd be easy if everyone pulled their heads out of their asses ... which in 40K isn't possible." -Majorkill, 40K quote of the year.
Necrons could easily defeat the Tyranids with all their molecular destroying weapons, lack of biomass in the entire species, powerful doomsday weapons, Trazyn being Trazyn, Imotekh being Imotekh, the Silent King being the Silent King, and the Celestial Orrery allowing for the destruction of an entire solar system because someone didn't cover their mouth when they sneezed.
Long story short: Necrons > Tyranids
Except nids have already clapped (eaten) several tomb worlds and nearly wiped out a dynesty. Necrons are not the hard counter people think.
@@skalgrimfellaxe5796 Yet they are, like I'm a fan of both factions but the nids are pretty much outclassed when it comes to the skully bois, everyone else is either a 50/50.
Horus at full power would destroy the Nids, Necrons, Eldar AND Orks
@@shamainebest4031 And yet - again - nids have annihilated several tomb worlds and decimated an entire dynasty. Strange how they could manage that if they are so outclassed.
@@skalgrimfellaxe5796 Battlefleet Gothic: Armada II is not canon; in fact, it contradicts established canon/lore in several instances. There was a battle with Anrakyr The Traveler where the tryanids were winning, yes, but they eventually left because they found it to genuinely not be worth the trouble and beating the Necrons were giving them. In short, there is a reason why it's been shown that the tyranids outright avoid the Necron tombworlds
The super model comparison was hilarious. 🤣
absolute classic 👌
We have the Necrons weapon that can wipe the whole galaxy if needed just by pointing on that
"let's destroy the warp so all beings die and the Nids starve to death"
Forerunners: bro you're not gonna believe it, but we have just the tool for this exact scenario.
If the Tyranids are as vast as is often implied, defeating them is pretty much impossible. But it should be enough to bloody their nose time and again until the hive mind decides the milky way isn't worth the effort and looks elsewhere for snacks.
My moneys on no, but we can deprive it of so much biomass that the hivemind realizes that its going to hit a negative return on biomass so it leaves our galaxy alone and goes and finds a galaxy less able to defend itself.
It doesn't need biomass though. It wants the genetic material and to remove threats, but does not actually need it. The matter that makes up biomass is sourced in orders of magnitude larger mass when they consume a planets atmosphere, water, and parts of the crust.
Archaon, Horus or Abaddon can solo the Tyranids
Only archaeon sorry bro Horus and abandon are dopey @@christiandauz3742
@@skalgrimfellaxe5796You're right that they don't "need" biomass but they absolutely want it
The lion will save us all!
for the LION
No he wont glory to the dinistys
Here's some to consider:
What if all of the Primarchs (save Alpharius because he landed on Terra) somehow died before the Imperium discovered them?
If any one Loyalist and Traitor Primarch switched sides for the Horus Heresy, who would you choose for the best outcome for either the Loyalists, or the Traitors?
What if the Silent King never got rid of his Command Protocols and took (almost) all the Necrons with him out of the galaxy to perhaps find a new and better one and come across the Tyranids?
What if the Great Crusade had all the Primarchs and none turned Traitor, but there were no Astartes?
What if the Beast Orks succeeded in defeating the Imperium?
What if the Raptor Project succeeded/was never sabotaged?
What if the Necrons manage to get mortal bodies again?
Magnus not destroying the webway Project pretty much wins the heresy and gives humanity a better hope for survival, as for who to switch him with it doesnt really matter as long as he îs allowed to reach Terra and sit on the golden throne,alowing the emperor to fuck shit up alongside Malcador.
@@schwarzflammenkaiser2347 not much, they still dont have souls so they wouldnt just spawn one upon getting a body(I think),they would still be souless with conciusness being the only thing keeping them going, since souls and conciusness are 2 different things în 40k, pretty much a downgrade since they would be able to make more of themselves, but later they would just turn the new necrons into metal after getting enough people or continue that process.
What if the galaxy explodes......then EVERYONE DIES, THE END
What if the Silent King never got rid of his Command Protocols and took (almost) all the Necrons with him out of the galaxy to perhaps find a new and better one and come across the Tyranids?
I mean.... with this they just would immidiately conquer entire galaxy as soon as they woke up.
Superb video as always @majorkill.
Could you make a video dedicated to the Navigators, the major houses, their politics, relation to the overall Imperium and factions
Ayyye. Maybe if you were Henry C. You'd be able to pick a super model up with your warhammer collection.
I think neurons and orks can clutch up the orks might become fucking super charged because of all the tyranid ass they will be kicking.
Well the Nids already beat the Orks once and they were the ones that got supercharged
Neurons lol
@Hurricayne92 ngl this galaxy wide Octarious War might end in a Orc victory or the Koroks(or semi korks) returning from all the carnage
You could argue Gazskull and all of thr other Overfeings teaming up is enough too because the only reason the Orcs lost is that they didn't have another person of Gazskull's level(Octarious leader was his level tbh)
Ok inquisitor krytman
@@dogecursor5190yeah right, Orks are just missing some proper neuron activation to become the Krorks 😂
Arm the biggest Titans with massive cans of bug spray.
Just hit those space bug with a “no means no!” They can’t kill you if you dont consent
Im expecting a surprise to happen. The long awaited reveal of the hive mind is actually an android named David. Here to further to evolution of the perfect species in his eyes.
Flamers.
Really, really big flamers.
Flamers? In this economy?
Brother get the flamer, the heavy flamer.
Have you any idea what prometheum costs these days?
@@gideonmele1556 cheaper then farm equipment.
Skip straight to meltas, can't adapt if there is no flesh to do it.
Video idea what if the emperor of mankind wanted to be worshipped as a God and had created the esslarcy the imperial cult in order to defeat the chaos gods
@majorkill A video on each of the primarch’s favourite food would be cool. Also a video on how each of the pirmarch’s would react to being implanted with the butcher’s nails would be cool as well.
just use bug spray
Nah, thats expensive archeotech.
Spray and pray...
5:50 seen this art piece many a time installing the Tyranid Mod
What if the Mechanicus decides to make more battle droids/drones that can be controlled from distance, like a single droid with a bolter to fight the Nids, it'd be so easy to mass produce and yet so devastating with zero net gain to the Tyrannids because metal isn't biomass. also the Humans piloting it would get better at fighting the Nids just as the Nids get better at it.
Metal is just another material nids use. They also consume their losses (so = no losses) and the goal isn't biomass, its the whole planet said biomass is on = more useful matter to make biomass from.
@@skalgrimfellaxe5796 Even then, it's probably better than random guardsmen sent to battle
I forsee 3 scenerios for the nids
1: most of the nids are in the milky way either because they illiminated all of the biomass from their home or something else did(not sure which is worse)
2: most of the nids are in their home galaxy, this is just a scouting party (like the vong in starwars)
3: the nids are from the milky way and are only returning (so like cockroaches probably will never truly illiminate the nids)
Until this is written i don't think eliminating the nids is a possibility. There is a thougt that the necrons being nonorganic is a defense plan against the nids as it is the only way to ensure survival. Exploration outside the galaxy is minimal at best right now but i dont forsee warhammer being limited to one galaxy as a long term plan for the game. We also dont know the extent of the nids power as for all we know the main nids are a totally reasonable collected society and these are just mutants riddled with madness.
A video about, what if there were no loyalist elements in the traitor legions ,this would also count for omegon and magnus. So there would be no need for the culling at isthvaan and weakening of the traitor forces.. this would be very intresting to see what all the effects would be on the succes of the heresy.
Good video kid. I am glad to get to watch your content.
Holy Fire solves every problem. Every time
Rule 1 of deploying bioweapons to wipe out a species: Never develop and use only one. As an Australian, just look at what happened with the Myxomatosis and Calici viruses on the rabbit population. Always at least 2 or more viruses together, so they can't become immune.
Honestly, the Tyranids are bluntly trying to OM NOM NOM the Milky Way like as if they were playing a StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm longplay.
Having Sly Marbo kill the Hive Mind outright (like in the pinned comment's example) is equivalent to nuking the only Level 3 Zerg Hatchery they had. It'd *_DEFINITELY_* set them back - but I'd not be surprised if they were capable of abracadabra-ing a new one.
In fact, the Zerg tried to huddle together some of their Cerebrates to rebuild the Overmind during the Brood War - only for the attempt to be sabotaged by Kerrigan's ragtag alliance of her loyalists' brood, the UEF, the Terran Dominion, Raynor's Raiders, and the combined Protoss of the Daelaam & Nerazim... (whom she and the Zerg all stabbed in the back in a horrific massacre shortly afterwards...)
But.... The Hive Mind is the gestalt consciousness of all the Nids. You have to kill all the bugs to kill the hivemind. It's like every Psynapse nid is its own zerg hatchery.
@@Enja_Near The hivemind is basically being relayed by the Tyranids' armies like as if their "heroes" give off those much-needed combat auras.
The thing is... those auras are being BROADCASTED - as in the Hive Tyrants and likewise of the Tyranid Swarms are basically Elites and Brutes compared to the Grunts. Kill them, and the small guys are easy pickings.
Not to mention, it's safe to assume there's an even bigger fish that's transmitting that aura to the "Elites & Brutes" to begin with. That's what we're thinking about throwing Sly Marbo at.
Idk if that was what Majorkill had in mind, but this is definitely one of my spins on the take. lmfao
Just a reminder that the Administratum is the reason the Imperium lost the ability and knowledge of how to ignite the upper atmosphere and made it so Tyranid drops would catch fire and die before hitting the ground. It's just sitting deep in the back of an archive somewhere.
Day 524 of requesting a Commissar Yarrick Major Mini pls and thank you
Just use the main deflector to generate an _inverse tachyon pulse._
That'll disrupt the Nids psy connection.
And if that doesn't work, _reverse the polarity of the neutron flow._
that Xenonid Black Terror is f*cking sick
A video of the top ten community made wholesome moments would be great
I always wondered since there’s obviously a bunch of different alien species in different franchises of varying strength I have to ask one question.
Which fictional alien species in different franchises would be the ABSOLUTE WORST species for the Tyranid species as a whole to fight?
The Tyranids ARE the worst xenos in fiction
Honestly i think it would be the necrons just cause they scale so crazy to other universes and already hard counter the nids via being machine and they delete biomass though maybe something like the machine virus or whatever it is from horizon zero dawn could also be hard counter
@@offlineraided I mean the worst aliens for them to fight due to I don’t know weapons, abilities or the fact that they may or may not be organic. You’d be surprised by how BS aliens are in different franchises
The Flood from Halo. Imagine a Flood infested Tyranid Hive Ship, the infection rate for the Flood would be near infinite in speed. And as the Flood adapt faster and with less effort than the Nids, the Flood could easily overwhelm the Tyranids in a war of attrition as the Flood can consume the biomass of the Tyranids, but the Nids can't consume the Flood or else they'll get infected.
One species I think would be horrible for the Tyranids to face are X Parasites from Metroid
You’d need The Emperor to return as a literal chaos God and psychically nuke the hivemind on a galactic scale.
I think the Necrons can just solo. They would need to revive all the tomb worlds though.
As long as the plastic crack keeps selling, no faction will ever be wiped out. Maybe one day, the GW CEO’s will decide to retire and burn it all down. Maybe Trazyn will accidentally release an Ogryn, and it’ll somehow wander into the Celestial Orrery, then erase the entire galaxy thinking he’s completing a Connect the Dots picture, but nothing will ever be permanently defeated as long as there are miniatures to paint and lore to retcon for “modern audiences.”
Turning all dead Tyranids into varied Servitors would be the scariest solution to the problem, imho. It would also mean that every criminal, rather than being sloppily lobotomized is drafted into a guardsman on the frontline. We’d be nearly sextupling the Imperium’s forces, especially with Yvraine, Farsight and Cawl being unafraid to mix and mash with the Imperium in the first place.
Use this in conjunction with the rejuvenation approach, and suddenly we have a never ending supply of war machines that fuel our ability to further develop our sciences. We stalemate the Nids long enough to actually find a proper solution.
Imagine a Carnifex being turned into an organic dreadnought for heavily crippled VIPs. A Bio-Titan kept alive through Mechanicus fuckery would outperform its wholly organic counterpart because it has fuck knows what tank turrets added on top of its natural defenses. Spore mines are retrofitted to be terraforming tools, Guardsmen riding Gaunts like raptors, Astartes being given Hive Guards as an organic alternative to the hell of being in a Dreadnought…
It would be awesome! It also opens us up to turning Genestealers into Servitors, which is a must! Expendable soldiers like that, used against their former masters, while the notes and research of Biophagi are turned against the Nids by the Biologis.
There’d be no hope for the Nids. Of course, this would require some Hereteks and Biologis to swapping notes, not to mention Cawl pitching this to Guiliman post nutting in Yvraine to get these even approved…yet it is an option, if a fun one, hypothetically.
Video idea: The most used and unique weapons + relics used by each legion.
Teraformimg consumed planets would just add additional biomass for the hive. As they often leave behind dormant broods that rise and start a second consumption cycle
That model is really damn cool
Make a vid on the nids arriving and how that would work with your writing skills
How different do you think the setting would be, and what would be different if slaanesh's birth had been stopped, or they had been killed immediately after being born?
It’d be interesting to see that the nids are fleeing another new faction that hunts them for sport
Or, we can pull some pages from star wars and move some stars. Granted, considering that the nids can still slowly enter the galaxy, this method would leave you trapped inside the milky way... unless you just leave a bunch of mines in space to blow up the nids when they try.
In star wars there is this thing called a mass shadow. What it is, is basically a large celestial body with enough gravitational pull to yank ships out of hyperspace/FTL.
The nids, have this bioship that is basically affected by strong gravitational pull of things it seems.
So things like a blackhole, or a sun would easily fuck the nids from using FTL.
Another thing from star wars, is the cloaked interdictor tech. From the thrawn books, it basically pulls ships put of FTL, before cloaking immediately again to hide its presence from the ship it just pulled out of hyperspace. When the ship returns back to hyperspace, it drops its cloaking and reactivates the interdiction field.
Only Thrawn was able to detect it cus he smart asf.
I might be wrong, but doesn't Necrons have common guns that break down a whole being into atoms in a few sec? That seems pretty god damn effective.
The thing about immunity is there needs to be a survivor. If a bioweapon kills a swarm down to the bug, the tyranids can’t discover an immunity, so it will still work.
The actual problem is that the hive mind should be fuck tons stronger once the actual fleet is here. There is no reason to think they would still operate the same way. They probably won't even need those stronger links on the field since their presence over the whole galaxy will coat it like a thick bile.
I have two theories about the tyranids but both involve them being created by the old ones, theory 1: During the war in heaven the C’tan needed souls to fuel their strength, the old ones couldn’t manage them though and but the to be extremely intelligent that way they would be self reliant. the tyranids were a way of starving them and depriving them of their power and food source but the necrons being metal scared them and pushed them back and the old ones put them back in ghosts shelf or their extreme intelligence told them tv war wasn’t worth it and they fled to save themselves . Theory 2: They are a giant reset button that either escaped or the surviving old ones unleashed, after the war in heaven the few old ones that survived began to repopulate and become ready to nurture the galaxy once more but many of what they created was for war, the orks thirsted for it had hulking beasts of war and the Aeldari psychic might weren’t meant for what they had in store, they were weapons for self defense not for peaceful life, so the old ones wanted the tyranids to devour they entire galaxy and archive their dna so whenever they came back the galaxy will be bare, ripe for them to restore the galaxy using the archived dna to reseed the galaxy
Old Ones were based in the Milky Way and Nids are definitely not originally from the Milky Way.
They've nommed 12 galaxies before finding out about this one.
It's also in the stories somewhere that Nids have found this galaxy to be rather unusual, especially on the psychic activity front and how wild the warp is here
Hello Majorkill,
Would you kindly make some lore videos on the Imperial Truth, the Imperial Creed, the Ecclesiarchy? Pretty please? Thank you.
If the imperium weren't idiots and the T'au remained conscientious (Exterminatus isn't really their thing), the Imperium go give a sample of their remaining phosphex stock to the T'au to reverse-engineer to create a new formula. Or, even better, share a sample with the Leagues of Votann. The Votann (the actual cores) could possibly have the formula stored in their databanks as well.
I can't recall, have you done a video on Zefon Sorrowbringer? If not I vote you should
One thing to say is the adaptation takes some time after they experience a virus or sickness, even with tacticts and such... That's why a mixed tacticts against two factions screw them hard since the nids only see food, not different races except for chaos...
Another thing is that nids rarely fight against necrons since the gauss weapons disintigrates the entire biomass, meaning they cut their resources and can't get that much of biomass in the tomb worlds, so they usually try to not engage with them
I thought it'd end with in act of desperation after the Tyrandis invade and all the races losing so much ground the mechanicus developed a way to put their consciousness into necron bodies overwriting what ever was in there and saving the human race but being dammed by the Inquisition.
Chaos would probably get very, very pissy if they lose too much of their own food source to glorified space termites. Crons are the easiest plot reset if needed - although the more 40k way would probably involve multiple primarchs coming back and/or Emps so that’s never going to happen
Day 71 of asking for a dedicated series of videos detailing in depth the Lion El'Heresy
I think a video on what if Magnus took the Emperor's replacement legion would be good
Well that one weird splinter fleet is building a transmitter(?) on Ziaphoria, my theory it that it's calling whatever bioforms left "sleeping" in eaten galaxies.
It's a personal problem for Necrons because they want organic bodies to return to one day. Seeing that any Hive Fleet actively evades the Necrons is already a good sign, but their ability to not be eaten by them and immense technology would be our ticket way out of this
Hey Majorkill can you explain about who Vashtor is? And his deal if you haven’t already?
"Harder than picking up a supermodel by showing her your warhammer collection"
She's just an upstanding citizen not woo'ed by materialism.
In one of the Caiphas Cain-Novells a Psyker disrupted the hivemind of a splinterfleet by transmiting the signal of a different Splinterfleet.
Right off the bat, a giant monstrosity about to eat the galaxy.
If you want to kill all tyranid with a perfected bio weapon, you need Fabius Bile.
As long as the pictures showing the entire fleet as much bigger than the galaxy as a whole it doesn't how well everyone fights. The nids can win by smothering every planet with their corpses
Thanks for your wit, sarcasm, and introspection, when discussing the 40k universe. Right on Majorkill!
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3:40 Eldar decide to work with Orkz, revive Korkz, and Necrons help.
( Id suggest that this happened around the Horus Heresy, to explain where those Korks came from, and went. The hive mind starting a MASSIVE invasion, but were held off by these three factions. ( The Necrons actually noticing it first. But they called for “help” not because they’d loose, but the Necron numbers are limited, where as the Nids are infinite. And the Necrons realized it was only a matter of time till the Nids evolved some hard counter. So before that, they requested help.
This forced the Nids to re-evaluate.
They felt intimidated knowing they couldn’t absorb necrons. Necrons having crazy tech. Korkz + orkz stop them from just outnumbering. And Eldar being a crazy ass support role with their psyker powers.
Which is why in present day, they use the tactics that they do.
( Always being on guard.)
This would revive the Nids intimidation ~
Because the Old Ones created Korkz + Eldar to fight the Necrons.
Imagine if the Necrons lead the Eldar + Korkz.
But the Nids are still planning/working on a come back - meaning they don’t think, they KNOW they could win.
Which again, in present day is why they have these sorta “scouting hive fleets”. Which are massive, can take on entire sectors but their real goal is to collect information/counters.
But now with the imperium/tau/normal Orkz ( in particular Ghaz), and Chaos is what’s making the Nids extra confused/cautious because :
“What if they work together.” “What if the imperium find a way to get psykers from Nids and revive The big E.”, “What if Tau’s Greater Goods sole purpose is to get everyone to work together, defeat the Nids and follow the Nids to their home Galaxy.”
“ what if Greater Good, Big E, Chaos Gods are just another version of the Hive Mind”~
As the hive mind sorta represents hunger.
It’s the
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It’s complicated. You would have to consider that you would constantly have to switch strategies or tactics with nearly every single encounter.
Without dragging in some stuff from the Xeelee Sequence, you mean? Just let the Nightbringer and the Void Dragon's largest shards loose on the main fleet.
Basilio Fo could mix up some tyrannid oriented terminus decree
1:15 that’s an incredibly screwed up reference 😂😭
I generally think Nergal and Co should be able to wrap up this whole war. Yes they can adapt, but if they're constantly being hit with new strains, the cost would outweigh the prize. A small Chinese lab shut down the world a couple years ago as example.
The galaxy will likely be inherited by only Necrons and Nids in the end.
VERY curious to know of what would happen if the Tyranids would enter the Ghoul Stars. Pretty confident the Tyranids would either be completely eaten, or they would be the eater and the galaxy would really be screwed. If the Tyranids won that war, nothing could stop them.
... Shipmaster they outnumber us 3,000 - 1... "Then it is an even fight"..
"harder than picking up a supermodel by showing her your warhammer collection" thats why i love this channel
If only we had grandma's power slipper.
I feel like even if the main fleet were that epic, it couldn't just wash over the galaxy. They'd all have to come out of hibernation and would have to be fed, so the hive mind has to do the math on whether that's worth it and if it can make it to the next galaxy.
The thing about immunity is that it's not free. It takes effort to create and maintain antibodies
this is an opinion from someone who knows next to nothing about WH40k Lore but loves it, first idea that popped into my head, what if someone brings AI back to fight the flesh devours unless they eat metal also, also what if they were a fail safe for the necrons
Evil undefeatable bugs invade.
The galaxy: "It's time for some covid!" 😃
Probably eventually defeated by a Psyker who connects to the Hive Mind and fries it, so the Tyranids turn on each other without a master to control them, or the remaining powerful Tyranids who can control groups of other Tyranid will splinter and fight to become the Hive Mind.
I think one if the lore books suggests that they suspect at least 1 more Hive Mind. Which could already indicate they are not fully united under one Hive Mind. They may not be invading the rest of the 40k galaxy because they're caught in a huge war between themselves.
I think in the end the Tyranids will kill the Tyranids
I did not know the part about being able to bring back devoured world through teraforming. So here's a bright idea, teach the tyranids how to terraform, it would be like teaching them farming. Then I'm sure they will just nom on them and not the rest of the galaxy, and it would in no way or form go horribly wrong ;)
I would though be careful about giving a race as adaptable and able to rapidly make new weapons through evolution like tyranids to many good ideas to copy and use against the galaxy when it comes to bioweapons, also the part about why tyranids can't handle 2 different opponents at once never made sense to me when they are supposed to be super adaptable, and they create hive fleets that are specialised to fight specific. So they could combine them sorta like they do with Kronos, where other fleets go out of their way to kept them fed, while Kronos fight chaos demons, though the exact details on how Kronos exactly are different a bit iffy. For a super adaptable race that supposedly can make new bioforms within hours or days like zoantrhopes or biotitan after they had their first runin with other races titans, they now had hundreds of years to evolve, and not really all that much to show for it .
Besides I bet that when/if they ever have to kill off the nids they will pull a psychic attack thingy like they did in war of the beast, and just wave they fingeres and the problem wil magically go away, through space magic.
I feel like we can’t _beat_ them… but we can redirect them. Either we find a way to cut off the hive minds will in this galaxy, forcing it to turn away and seek out another, or we break the main fleet with overwhelming force and it retreats on its own. Those two possibilities are the only chance the galaxy has, in my opinion.
the fact that the nids have been speculated to have devoured several galaxies makes them beyond older then the necrons themselves. either way, if they ate 3 galaxies, they have an entire 3 galaxies worth of biomass against a fractured galaxy that is fighting not only nids, but everything else that isnt human. meaning nids would probably win
Would a black hole be effective against a hive fleet? Manipulating hawking radiation, you can slowly accelerate a black hole.
I'm pretty sure an intact C'tan could turbo fuck a hive fleet.
Someone should the mechanicus this and then inform them there’s one under Mars
Wake up all the Necron forces make the Tyranids attack them first then attack them both
i get the feeling if the tyranidas actually dont have a main army available as it is dealing with the 1000 other galaxies they are invading, and would probably become 50k before they get to the milky way