Why is Celtic Shamanism a Problem?
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As an Irish person I always have people tell me who the fairies are, who the gods/goddesses are and what Druids do and don't do (being one for nearly 30 years myself), yet i have never seen or heard anyone say or do these things here. Just the other day i was 'told' by two people (not from Ireland) what my culture and native traditions really are and that i was wrong (this was the notion that all fairies a good). When you tell them your culture they call you a bigot for not agreeing with them and there newage universal concepts, yet they reject your reality. Some ask for 'sources' (from a mainly oral tradition) and even when you give them a source they just ignore you cause its not what they 'feel' is correct.
I find it fascinating though frustrating that these folks tend to act as though they are open minded and yet do not listen to native voices nor do they read the stories and native sources. I am also a druid (draoí) and always make sure there is source for my practice whether in the ancient stories, accounts by monks and saints, and/or whatever native sources it is. I get so annoyed by folks who say that there is no account of the practices of the druids. So often do I hear that these stories are too christianized and yet I have had no problem sieving those parts that are so blatantly Christian out. Pure ignorance by such folk.
@@Seth_Cones I agree Seth, i am also told all-the-time that there are only classical sources for Druids and that they ended when Britain was taken over (leaving out Ireland). Early 'Celtic' Christians where more Gnostic and took over many Druidic roles only later becoming more unified to the 'mother' church (Vatican). Universal Christians and the Bitheism Wiccans often follow will always tell you that your deities are 'One' or 'Two' aspects of there deities without even asking what you believe. See the change in there faces when disagree with them.
Forgive my ignorance, but this question but I am not understanding your comment clearly. Are you of the belief that all fairies are good? Or is your belief that some are not?
@@meredithl460 If he's Irish and knows the old traditions, he does NOT think all fairies are good.
Could we chat privately sometime? Im curious as to the knowledge you have as its hard to find information on my ancestry in the us of a..ss
Hey Lora. This is why I feel so lucky to be a student at the IPS, because this mess runs deep here in the US. It’s not just your average Pagan broadcasting this stuff. It’s coming from the more vocal and “respected” members of the community. Knowing what know now having watched your videos and being a student, I guess I’m just embarrassed at our whole notion of, “Well my great great grandmother twice removed was Irish, therefore I’m entitled to take what I want while spewing nonsense.”
So thank you for teaching those of us who want to learn and giving us authentic sources. It means a lot, and it’s greatly appreciated. Without you and your partner, we’d all still be mired ass deep in the Matthews and DJ Conway, to name a few.
Thank you yet again. It’s maddening that we have to keep saying these things. So much gratitude for all of your work.
I'm an American who has a heavy Irish heritage. Part of the reason I started following you on here is because I just felt that there was something off about the information I was getting from the sources made available to me here. I want to embrace my traditional heritage and honor it properly and I hope you don't see me looking to you as a problem. I hope if I do anything I at least help break the chain of ignorance and misinformation that is mostly spread by what a lot of the American pagan communities call "fluffy bunnies". People who take Paganism, mix and match their gods, and act like they are from the movie The Craft or from the plethora of Hollywood witch fiction thats been causing trouble for decades.
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I loved learning with the Irish Pagan School - Lora is a fantastic person who believes in the authentic Irish Paganism - I am looking forward to learning more real Irish in the future - thank you Lora for all that you do
Thank you so much for this topic, insight and share!
Thank you! As someone who has practiced animism for 30 + years and as someone who lives in America I stay pretty far away from others over here who practice "eclectic" Paganism for the most part. I have much respect for the recipes of our ancestors and not mixing traditions and deities with ones from different areas of the planet. As we know Shamanism is a Siberian word. But these days it seems to be used to describe anyone who practices animism in a similar way with spiritual journeying, psychic gifts, herbal or natural medicine, talking to spirits and the ancestors. While I do not think time/space limits what a person can do, at least keep it respectful and don't mix, some medicines and energies are not meant to be mixed. But one thing I think many American's do not understand is, to really communicate with the land spirits you don't try to talk to a stone in Ireland or Norway or some other place. You go out in nature and sit until you can connect with the nature that is right there with you. While I was born here, most of my ancestry is Scandinavian and Celtic and my family has only been here for two generations so some of the traditions were still alive in my family. In America there is so much missing as far as connecting with ancestral past. Most are not Native American and do not find they want to fit into that path--I certainly don't. Then you have these gate keepers from the old country telling you you can't practice or claim to practice "their way" because you don't live there, didn't grow up there. Calling anything we do "appropriation" when many times it is not. Since the ways of the ancient ancestors was an oral tradition it was not written down and what was written down was done so by Christians who tainted it with their perception of reality. So there is scholarly resources, archaeological finds, rune inscriptions, sacred sites and all this has led to the recreationism of different forms of Paganism. Even Pagans from the old countries are recreating Paganism. gatekeepers calling "appropriation" to anyone who doesn't practice a specific way is a misguided judgement. Cultural appropriation is using a minorities tools, art, words of wisdom from elders then claiming it as your own and charging money for it. However culture and spirits are not the same thing. You can not own the gods and goddesses, ancestors. If you think you can own the divine, and that the divine only belong to a small area of land then you are an atheist and racist. Not saying you are, it's just an example.
I agree. I just call it a journey or journeying as that is what many others call it here in Ireland and the UK.
On the topic of gatekeeping. It seems to me that there are many, many people in Ireland who either can’t or won’t accept that many, many Americans are either directly or largely descended from Irish ancestors. We’re a nation of immigrants. Having faced a lot of fairly aggressive shunning myself, the gatekeepers seem to want to deny me access to my actual heritage. The result can be, as I have witnessed and experienced, that you go it alone and try to understand your heritage with what you’re allowed to learn, or you say screw this absurd nonsense and start tracing other, usually much smaller bits of your family’s history. I’m not entirely sure that my Irish ancestors would approve of some gatekeeping behaviors because I am, in a very real sense, their daughter. I was born in the US. My great grandparents were not.
Oh wow! Consider me more enlightened than I was before I watched this video! Thank you, Lora!
Thank you for addressing this ❤️
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and wisdom. I for one am excited to start course work with you.
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Lora, I hear you. I respect your position and will not purposely hurt you. I keep listening no matter my feelings. I do respect you. Thank you for sharing.
I just want to say you are amazing I love your videos and you have helped me learn, and move forward in this journey. Thank you so much for your factual teachings.
I shall stick to you & all the other educators of IPS as an American of Irish heritage. I'm so grateful for all you share ,teach, and set straight.
Much needed video again, sigh. Thank you
Thank you for speaking about this!!
Love this Video! While I wasn’t born in Ireland, my mother, and her father’s lineage are Irish. For me, I’m getting back to my roots and I can see why it’s important to guard Irish culture from appropriation and slander. As I learn, I too find myself holding liminal space for the actual truth, and what Irish paganism IS.
Hey Lora, I just found your channel. It's so refreshing to get a well informed source of info for Irish mythology. I love mythology in general, and being Irish, especially our own. There's so many mixed interpretations so it's great to get voices that actually know which sources are good and which aren't. I'm glad the translation of the Tain I got was a good one though judging from your recommendations. Also loved you shutting down that Celtic films gobshite. There's no room for that kind of shite here
So well said - over the years I have told many people that there is no such thing as Celtic shamanism and I always get a stunned reaction. What we have is unique and should be cherished. Thank you for speaking with such clarity and conviction.
Thanks for providing this information on this nuance situation, I like to learn about Celtic pagan culture because I'm part celtiberian and you know in Ireland is where from what I know is the place where a lot Celtic knowledge hasn't been lost so yeah thank you ✨✨
Liked your video. I've read some of them here long ago. I see what you're saying now; glad I ran into this.
Thank you Lora, this has to be explained to people, I'm still finding my way, so called "lady gregory" did a disempowerment on ALL Irish people when she "Disneyed" our mythology! More power to you and yours!
Absolutely
I was happy and lucky to watch you share about {No you're not a Celtic Shaman} with Between the Veils - thankyou so muchhhhhhh!!!
Thankyou!!! Gets so frustrating trying to weed through the misinformation
Invasive weeds is an analogy that comes to mind. They displace native species.
I've used that analogy before, aye.
Hi Lora, I have started a path of learning and devotion in a very early stage of spiritual growth and I felt a very strong connection with Irish spirituality and since I was a kid, Ireland has held a special place in my person that I'm just starting to learn more about. In my own view I don't intend to be any kind of voice for Irish culture and spirituality but only follow that path in an intimate and personal way, I believe it's people like you who should take the podium. I say all of this since I'm not Irish myself but would like to know what's your take on what I'm sharing and what would you advice
Hello! I have always felt a pull to Ireland since I was very young but since I started my journey into witchcraft that pull has become more of a dragging. I am making a trip to Ireland in may for my birthday and would love to know what sites you recommend.
Awesome post, I totally agree! Love your brutal honesty Lora ☘️🙏❤️ ! I have such a deep sadness I carry that many just dont understand - the injustices we have endured through colonisation let alone the English appropriation of our Gaelic culture/spirituality. I do think it is mostly well intended ignorance ….. or maybe I am naive!
Off topic but I am wondering if I can get some help in being lead to the right direction. I've been looking to see if there are war masks/deities representations in masks in regards to Irish folklore. Many cultures have face masks depicting alot of their folklore or mythology, like the Thai with the Khon masks or Japanese Oni masks. Is there some sort of equivalent in Irish culture/folklore?
I've been trying to learn about Celtic knots and how to draw them as well even though it's a bit overwhelming. I would like to learn some of the traditional art of the Irish.
I remember being really excited to hear about the Matthews' books back in the day and they were frequently referenced as great accessible materials. And the disappointment of finding the reality...
What's wrong with John and Caitlin Mathews? I've never heard anything negative about them so I'm curious.
I must be tiring for constantly having to point this out. Thank you for doing so.
I'm sure it's fecking exhausting.
I refer you to how little I've been posting here, due to extensive burnout
Any (quick) thoughts on the book Fire in the Head: Shamanism and the Celtic Spirit by Tom Cowan?
It’s a tough place for mutts like myself to be in, descendant of Irish, Scots, and Welsh (among other things), wanting to find a way to tie it all together. I’m glad to have found a trustworthy voice for at least part of it, as I sort out my spiritual/cultural clusterfuck.
I'm from the US, and trying to find my building blocks of truth to find how to properly structure my path. And I find it troubling to find which places have the authentic information as my first thing that helped me see the kind of path was OBOD, and I currently find my spirituality to be a very Celtic-Druidic-faith heavily leaning towards learning celtic history and also a bit of a Fae Faith. I'm troubled about my lack of knowledge causing me to accidentally culturally appropriate, as I know I have british blood but have no clue how far that goes in which direction as I have yet to do an Ancestry-like DNA test. Can somebody here help reassure or inform me of how to properly pick the correct building blocks? I'm also looking to try and learn the most I can about all Celtic mythology and wish to learn as much Gaelic for using in Ogham as well for my spirital practices, but I am still trying to learn how to find the right practices from actually correct sources. I cannot stand the male domination of cultures and spiritualities all over and as a woman feel so troubled that the druid group I first really started to learn from probably isn't even an authentic source of information.
IrishPagan.School/checklist for authentic sources. OBOD is not on there
Couldn't agree more!
Where did you go?
I’m not of Irish culture and would like to know if “Celtic shamanism” was simply a term invented by outsiders as an umbrella term for Celtic spirituality. I read somewhere that oral tradition has made it difficult (and some say impossible) to prove that such a way of life even existed. Still others argue that it was a separate tradition from Druidism and other practices. I would like to know of some of the most trusted native voices committed to teaching about Celtic spirituality so that I can educate myself on the subject. Thank you.
Pretty much, yeah
I have been warned by wiccans of this very thing, but many of the wiccans I know seem to be just as guilty whilst simultaneously opposing to Celtic Shamanism. Have you encountered this?
Nice to see you somewhat sitting in the dark 😂 Hope you are doing well. As for the video topic I can't see why people insist on putting their own unique spin on things they have nothing to do with or trying desperately to be a part of • it's kind of sad.
Thank you for pointing this out. Is there any authors or resources you'd recommend for anyone wanting to get in touch with authentic practices?
Yes. I would love to learn also. I know my ancestors are calling me and I really want authentic information.
Yes please do share. Since I am learning about my ancestors, druids and my craft I would love to learn it correctly from authentic Irish sources.
The Irish Pagan School is full of resources and classes from native Irish and authentic sources.
Wow okay thanks I will do that. I'm looking forward to it.🪄
Many recommendations on this channel and on my blog at LoraOBrien.ie
You should make a review of the book: "Witta an irish pagan tradition" by Edain McCoy. That would be quite funny.
I find this all really confusing. I’ve only just started my journey into Celtic paganism and as a Cornish native seemed to make the most sense. But know it seems there’s a massive difference depending on whether you have Irish, Welsh or any other Celtic background, and that you shouldn’t try and compare Celtic paganism depending on where you are from. I’m not trying to steel any ones culture, but it seems I may have been mistaken to use the IPS as a source to help with my own path. Are the fundamentals for all these Celtic groups so different? Or am I going about this the wrong way?
As a fellow cornish born celt, this is a tricky one. As our old ways were quite effectively stamped out finding sources is tough. Turning to Ireland for information is natural as it is the closest surviving belief system to what the indigenous Britons most likely practiced. Start with the true known basics, the British celts were almost certainly animists, believed in reincarnation, believed in another world that lays next to ours. The Cornish have a long history with the Sidhe (I use an Irish term here as I find it respectful to the good folk) with many folk tales that have grains of useful information.
@@shadowynne thank you for this information. It is really appreciated. I've definitely learnt so much from the Irish Pagan School for sure. But it has been difficult to know when I'm learning something appropriate to us as Cornish. But if there are other recommendations for reading and following on UA-cam or Instagram please let me know.
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I feel like shamanism is the most profound term in explaining certain practices involving things spiritual and or healing from nature to kinda get into a few things of what people feel shamanism is. Similar sure but not the same thing I'm sure there's other cultures with different names for those people that may be similar to Shamanism or Druidism or whatever else is out there. Alot of things are classified as the same thing because explaining it to others can be difficult
I agree. We need solid terminology in order to discuss spirituality. I think we can do that while acknowledging the origin of the term being Siberian. The fascinating thing about shamanism is that ancient indigenous cultures all had some version of people playing the role of shaman which points to its natural and universal nature.
Also there is a crossover between druidry and shamanism
I had a dream I was on a boat leaving an island arriving at another island stopped in the ocean the water had a white substance all around in a circle, in the sky you could see another planet very close and extremely large it resembled earth. A crow came it was black with red around its throat similar to that of the red crested fruit crow from south america, however it was larger and turned into a woman representing the form of the red race. We slept together on two different occasions and she took my seed.
Now that Morrigan has chosen to fill herself with my seed in the otherworld I will begin the colonization and destruction of the Crown in this world.
I'm from the US and do not claim any level of education on the matter and have no intention to offend or do wrong by any culture. I am of Irish ancestry and when I discovered Celtic shamanism I always thought it was kind of a more "primitive", earthy I guess "tribal" spiritual focused path WITHIN Celtic paganism. I liked it for that reason but I didn't take everything I read as fact as far as historical accuracy but as a possible way of practice. Is that wrong? Again, all good intentions.
In the US, all "indigenous culture" is considered non-European and that is why Celtic paganism as well as any other European paganism is simply dismissed. This is virulent racism.
The Morrigan is a part of Irish history right? What is the difference between her and Druidism? I started thinking about her about 2.5 years ago out of the blue and little things related to her just keep showing up. I'm ready to start practicing but I want to follow the old and authentic ways. I am in America and I think the info I get is a combination of different things that are not accurate. What would you recommend for reading??
Look to the authors Morgan Daimler and Morpheus Ravenna. Both have notable, well-researched work regarding The Mórrígan. Lora also has an entire playlist, which is a wonderful place to learn FAQ’s and authentic information.
@@silaswitch2594 thank you so much. I really appreciate the help 🌚
Start by doing the free classes of Irish pagan school. That's what I did. Helped a lot. Did a few other classes their also.
Lora and co give great research points and references and sources.
Also another chap who you should check out us Thomas Sheridan, he goes into detail on the megalithic and neolithic monuments in Ireland... He has his own personal views on them but he doesn't say you must believe them, he shows you how you can explore own ideas
@@deckyBWFC91 thank you 🙂
I'd recommend looking into Morgan Daimler, Charlotte weber, morpheus ravenna. also the Irish pagan school that Lora runs, there are free lessons on there aswell as paid. go through lora's youtube. there's alot of UPG out there that drowns out the reputable but if you go through the above, you'll be able to see the UPG from lore x
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This is the problem that I started having with the concept of “eclecticism” over 10 years ago because it really gives people a false sense of security to think they should be able to do whatever they want, regardless if it’s accurate or not.
The word-spell on "celtic" broke for me when I discovered that my Northern Italian lineage was "celtic". Because then I realized you can't take a bunch of different cultures & smoosh them together into one conglomerate & call them the same 💜💜💜💜🌹🌹🌹🤕🤕🤕 broke my head sitting with that one! 😁🤣
I recommend you read The Celts a very short introduction, which explains how the Celtic people moved out from the mountains and how the culture developed in different ways across the continent and the islands.
It is a hard read sometimes because the author does keep insisting that the Irish are not Celtic, although i think that is more the Irish would not have self identified as Celtic until the mid 1800 (I wonder what happened then that gave Irish people a need to identify as a collective... uhhhmmm)
Other than that, it is a really good book about the Pan European Celts
@@TheEmmaHouli ooohhh !!! Thankyou so much for the recommendation! Will definitely look that one up!
Do you feel that cultural appropriation is related to the logical fallacy of Appeal to Tradition?
Its from a newage fallacy that the older something is the more 'Pure' it is. In popular Universal philosophies all come from the 'One' which can take the form of a God or even Aliens. Hence when the culture is taken away they have the 'Pure' and 'True' teachings, this is a form of cultural appropriation.
What's with the low level of lighting?
I... didn't turn any extra lights on 🤷♀️
Fully agree as an native to Ireland but central Asian ancestry
Is there a name for the followers of the morrigan? Would we be druids or would we be celtic priests/priestesses? I feel priest and and priestess bring a catholic sense to it which feels wrong
Hi Rose Stome, in Latin Paganism they have terms for certain followers of certain deities but not in Celtic or Irish cultures since they are more tribal. Druids where never called Priests/Priestess (this is a modren term) and the Gaelic translates into 'Druidist' (like Buddist) - they had priestly functions, performed magic and had many other various duties.
YES!!! 🙌 As someone who lives in Oklahoma (where the trail of tears ended and the natives were forced to live when America was being overtaken by colonists) I run into this issue with people so much. Especially in the recent years when spirituality has become kind of this mainstream thing? (I'm by no means complaining about that) however, it has lead to there being alot of ignorance spread about cultures: Such as people asking about "Mojo bags" when that is a closed practice in the voodoo and hoodoo practice...I have always disliked the use of the word "shaman" when people are referring to Celtic spirituality, let alone Irish spirituality. Because it is my belief that should be reserved for Native cultures out of respect for their culture. Not to mention there are other ways to express this spirituality.
All this to say as someone who strongly advocates for the minority and is also passionate about history, their lineage, and Irish paganism I can't express enough how much Lora's work has done for me. Living in the US there is A LOT of BS about "Celtic" spirituality, and often written by those who've never stepped foot outside of this country Or done any in depth looking into the topics they write about. No matter where I looked I felt I was only getting part of the story and history.
Thank you Lora for sharing your wisdom and know that there are people holding space for your culture and people even outside of Ireland! I'm here to sit down, be quiet, and learn! 💕
Both of my parents come from Ireland and I was born in America I was brought up with old school paganism, and have encountered so much crap here in America in regards to what they think is paganism. I once encountered a quote unquote Irish shaman who had a native American medicine wheel painted in the center of his drum and also had the nordish symbolism on the drum. And we kind of went back and forth and I told him there is no such thing as Irish shamanism and we don't have native American medicine Wheels or any symbol that's even remotely close. There is so much out there it's quite confusing people think oh paganism you mean Wicca, and even the new neo paganism is it's different than true paganism.
I'm dictating this to my phone in the car so forgive any typos there may be, but I think just by listening to this video I think I see where the problem might be? I listen to a lot of Native American stuff and especially from the Navajo or the danai I hear the same thing that Missy Brian is saying about cultural appropriation and misinformation being circulated as the truth especially among the newer Generations, I am scot-irish by Blood but not my Heritage, if that makes any sense, I was born and raised in Calif fornia and move to Arkansas in my older years. As Miss O'Brien says, stay in your own lane, I think that's where the problem lies! We don't have a Lane! We who were born here in the United States I just kind of floating without any culture whatsoever this big Melting Pot is such a mess and most recently with the snowflake culture were not even allowed to have our own culture because we can't have any Traditions we're not allowed it's not politically correct! Which is b*******! But I think that's where the problem is we're looking for our lane and when someone comes along such as those folks that you were talking about we jump on it because we think that's it okay we found our spot we know who we are now! But we still don't know who we are and that's sad!
Sorry about my luck because we fucked.
Besides being cultural appropriation for the Irish, it is cultural appropriation for Native American practices, as well. A two-fer deal. And yes, thank you Ronald Hutton for your 'expertise'... as knowledgeable of English traditions as you are, that doesn't automatically apply to other cultures the English have subsumed. :(
I appreciate that you included the NA cultural appropriation. I always cringe when I see New Age "teachers" selling their philosophy that's a mishmash of other cultures. Heyoka Empath is a term that is a misappropriation of a Lakota cultural practice for young adolescent boys who have a certain dream and go through a certain behavior to gain perspective for a period of time but now it's been re-packaged for the "Empath" crowd and it's for a lifelong label everyone 🙄 I'm Hunkpapa Lakota like both of my parents but I recently found out while doing my ancestry on my paternal side that I have a lone Irish ancestor about 5 generations ago. I knew I had a couple of French ancestors on both sides but didn't know about some of the others.
My son is wanting to stay in ITALY.
I am sorry to ask you this as I do appreciate you are Irish and not Scottish, so I am unsure if this is appropriate to ask, but are you able to recommend any sources for Scottish celtic paganism? From what I have been able to research, it gets over shadowed with Irish paganism and there isn't much available for someone to look at Scottish celtic paganism. I am really sorry to ask you, I am at a loss at who to ask and I trust your opinion. If this is inappropriate, please do tell me to fuck off lol
I understand the fight for accuracy and avoiding contamination, but I think the "cultural appropriation" thinking is wrong. There is not such thing as pure culture, and culture doesn't diminish if shared, it actually grows, even though it might be different from it former self.
So I appreciate the efforts to keep culture as it was, but I don't think it's bad that new people see it from a different point of view, it's just another trend different from the original.
You don't actually get to decide what's right or wrong for a culture that is NOT YOUR OWN. That right there, is part of the problem. Maybe check out the other cultural appropriation videos on this channel and have a rethink about how you can check your privilege?
@@IrishPaganSchool I don't get to decide anything about any culture, only the way I enjoy our use them. Learning or sharing them doesn't feel wrong to me. I don't think anybody should be banned from any culture just because they were born in another.
Are you banned? How are you being banned 🤣 check yourself, seriously
@@Ogham I understand this is a delicate matter for you, and I'm only expressing my opinion, which has its base in freedom and respect. It's a shame we cannot discuss this in a polite way, but I assure you, I'm trying my best.
If your answer to this is banning me, so be it, but please think about what it says about yourself. I politely request not to be banned, though, because I enjoy your content.
If you want to give me any more arguments, I'll gladly read them, but I'll accept too to finish the conversation right here.
In any case, thank you very much and have a great day.
Just run with your gut missy
But there is a BIG PROBLEM MOTHER.
i am totally turned off by obod. several times anglosfrom there called me aracist for questioning their self flattering histories of racism. what can i say. decades ago before the internet i wrote to car-gom asking to find basic terachings and some canadian druids i might learn from. he wanted forty pounds before he's give me connections to canadian druids i might meet and learn from. so i was supposed to pay before i can find out what the basic teachings are.
one of multiple disapointments i have had from fake celtic pagans.
i am three quarters nova scotia gaidhlig . we are a disappearing culture so i had a hunger for something real. i was repeatedly disapointed.
Human, curiosity killed the cat.
Damn Americans (I’m American 🇺🇸)
It seems like there's a lot of anti-American bias here with many of the people. But I suppose it's justified if American people are really being that rude and clueless.
The Matthews are English 👍
Capitol Punishment....psst...wjats her face in the white house over here in Amuricah.....Cortana...is a virtual assistant. And the white house makes some REALLY HUGE HUGE MISTAKES.
You are way too up tight. Shamanism has been practiced in all cultures around the world since our first ancestors became spiritually aware enough to go into meditation to talk to spirit. I have a solution for your problem. The politically correct term for people to use instead of shamanism in trance medium. Or trance mediumship. Whether you choose to call yourself a Celtic pagan, shaman, or a medium... stay out of other people's spiritual life and mind your own business. Worry about yourself instead of pouring gas on the culture war.
You're missing the forest for the trees. You sound more like a cult guru. It's your way or the highway. That's not spirituality that's ego. The opposite of spirituality because you don't need spirit. You believe you already have all the answers
Or... how about we keep stepping up to protect from the pillaging of our culture and traditions?
Out of nowherr.
And if Anne Frank and the Social dont get to ya the then the Irish Republican Army not getting a proper welcome to my little town will REALLY throw you off your rocker.
P.S. Attorney at Law Asa Marie Standfeldt Licensed to practice Law in Ca and across the OCEAN ovar thar as a barister...or so she claims, is sometimes such a stupid bitch that She called The cops a cunt...and really, she DOES know better. She was at her place of employment where -tada-she worked and so I assume she wasnt on any sort of inebriates.
Unfortunately, last I heard she was on the side of the disabled. Too far for me. Time for a rest her and her accomplisses....(idk how tf to spell anymore- after the universe hits me upside my head for having too much fun.....Me brains ...all they think about are rummpples charms. Lolz. Tiny hearts and thangs. P.S. gotta go extra deep for me.
Going native oops...I mean original humans on this one. Right across the street from me tje Slaughters of Brigman street Anderson CA 96007. White girl across the street got the double shine. That woild be me. PS wish me luck.