Heretic - Movie Review
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Mormon Sister Missionaries stumble into a game of cat & mouse revolving around religious debate. Here's my review for HERETIC!
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RIP Jeremy reviewing Juror #2, Kneecap, Challengers, Didi, The Outrun, Conclave, Kinds of Kindness, The Apprentice, Sing Sing 🗣
I'm fucking sick and tired of your dumbass facepalms. Since m3gan review and dune part 2 review. Fucking quit it already with your dumbass facepalms!
I'm fucking sick and fucking tired of your fucking facepalms! Why don't you go fuck off!
Debate religion??? God, how boring. Who would waste their time with that mindless banter when they can be listening to you speak about something important and interesting
@@JesusBodyPillow does that mean, you liked or disliked reviews ?
There is something funny about the thought that missionaries come to his house enough that he just built a trap for them.
To be fair, in the film he had actually contacted the church himself under the pretense that he wanted to learn more about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Dude is literally Jigsaw but for missionaries lol
@@StormX6You should learn what "literally" means before you use it. This is not a film in the Saw franchise and he is not playing the same character, so he can't "literally" be jigsaw.
@@JustinLesamizrelax my man
@@JustinLesamiz what is your point. It's not that hard to understand his comment. Nobody thinks this a saw franchise film.
Could be worse... They could've knocked on Diddy's door.
Thank god he’s in jail
That's a door I'd love to knock on 😈😈😈
That’s the sequel
He wouldn’t want girls😂😂
@commandZee Or Jlo, LeBron, Jimmy Kimmel, Snoop Dog, or any other celebrity that endorsed Kamala.
The biggest surprise of this review? Jeremy's knowledge of mormon customs and culture
Yeah I did a double take when he said 'molly Mormon'
Ikr 😂 the fetch stuff got me
Heck, the dude watched the terrible “Book of Mormon Vol. 1” movie. He’s surprisingly open-minded
@@seawanderer8532Same! I didn't know anyone outside the church even knew that one? Maybe we'll hear Peter Priesthood next?
He lived in Utah for a little while no?
Latter-day Saints here. This movie has certainly been sending ripples through the community. Every missionary (and parent's) worst nightmare. I dealt with plenty of interesting characters on my mission.
You mean Mormon. That's what you are.
Cult
like side quests I imagine, or a DLC?
Honest question: is the Mormon position that the Church Jesus established apostated almost immediately after Christ's Ascension due to beliefs in the Eucharist and stuff like that and so Joseph Smith was sent to restart the church?
@@jd3jefferson556I mean, I wouldn't cite those specific elements as the most important elements of the apostasy, but that's the basic idea.
"Good time, no alcohol required" perfect for a movie with LDS (mormons) in it 😆😂
This comment is prime
😂
As a woman who once served an lds mission, I would say there is obviously some risk involved though sisters are usually placed in nicer areas and missionaries have many rules for their own safety. However, there are times where sisters are moved out of areas or sent to different missions due to stalkers or men who were a little too interested. My grandmothers advice before i left to serve my mission was "don't be too pretty." Good review! Always enjoy your videos
@@amateur_artist6057 As an elder my grandma never told me that. I'm a little offended now, lol. I'm glad the safety of all our missionaries is a high priority.
@IJN-33 😆
Why didn't they pair the women with a man?
I never thought much about the safety aspect on my mission. I mean, I’m male, but even so, I was fairly reckless as I look back on it, and hope my kids will practice just a bit more common sense then I did if they choose to serve missions.
@@nerychristian on a mission you are placed in a companionship and are expected to remain together at all times (apart from using the bathroom or other things that require privacy). You also live with this companion. Romantic entanglement is prohibited for the duration of the mission, so pairing sisters with male missionaries could have unexpected consequences.
He’s not lecturing the girls, he’s trying to break them.
By lecturing to them.
And by leading them right where he wants them, despite them thinking they’re choosing an alternative path away from him.
I thought it built up the tensions in the first half very well, but the climax left a lot to be desired. It was a sophisticated build up for an rushed conclusion.
That's what she said.
COMPLETELY agree
Agreed
The ending was trash. The big answer was "control" and how religion is bout control. Whoopty freakin doo. As if we havnt heard that from atheist for the last 30 years. And then the foolery for the killer to say i dnt force them to do anything they do it on their own. Umm no u bugged the doors to where they can not leave. How is that an option 😂. Garbage movie
yes,and i could barely see anything going on in the basement it was so dark i could have just watched it with my eyes closed😒
I think this movie seems very personal for Sophie Thatcher who played Sister Barnes as her family are members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Seems like her performance has so much weight behind it because she believes in the words that she and the other characters were saying
I’m pretty sure both of the female actors were a part of the church at some point
She's an EX-member of LDS. She isn't a member anymore. She wouldn't be allowed to act in Hollywood if she was a member. LDS believes everything is evil.
They left the church
@@seawanderer8532*at some point*
@@Erasureeraser Well, Mormons are wrong, so …
Hugh aging into his whimsical villain era of his career is giving me life because he genuinely looks like he's enjoying the roles he's getting now. There was a decade (or two) that hollywood was still hamfisting him into romcoms and I'm like, boo - use him to play against type! And that's how we got Heretic and I'm LIVING for it!
What a great little surprise this film was.
I was glad it didn't go the direction I was thinking, yet it remained truly chilling.
What direction were you thinking?
@@jacobsawyer1383. It’s not a porn or a snuff film. Crazy to think the movie would go in that direction
Maybe he doesn't kill the young ladies? That would be MY guess.@jacobsawyer1383
What direction?
I served a mission myself, had a gun pulled on me a few different times😂 usually sisters are put in MUCH SAFER areas and almost always with a car for safety, but I got some calls on my mission about some SITUATIONS😂
Well the guy has a normal house and a normal look
Better to stop I’d reckon 😮
I am a Christian and had a few of you guys invite elders to my house when I had questions they couldn't answer, and so the elders came over and got very upset that I kept giving them the bible and showing the very big problems with Mormonism and now they stopped coming to my house.
@@graham5990 and then everybody clapped
@@austinknighton5319 Nope they got mad and were yelling actually 😉
Heretic was like a saw movie with a God complex…and less gore. 7/10
Same music for the trailer was used for Saw X trailer
I didn’t really get a saw vibe
You’re the 2nd person to bring up Saw and it is the stupidest comparison. This movie has nothing to do w Saw
Very hubristic God complex.
@ victims tortured with apparently lose-lose decisions by way of interestingly engineered circumstances and facilities designed by an old white dude with something (personal/ideological) to prove. Sure, the literal circumstances are different but my comparison stands
"You know, that one guy that lost his mind on Facebook." Woof, had two friends just do that in the past 3 days. Completely unhinged and had to mute them.
Why? What happened in the last few days that would make anyone go nuts?
Only two? Nature is healing
You still have friends in Facebook?
@EV87_Says the guy who was going to vote for a senile old creep
@EV87_lol you sound normal
Jeremy jahn lds member here! Yeah sister missionaries usually go to the calm safe areas. But that doesn’t stop them from coming across disturbing people still. Also it’s a rule that missionaries can’t go into a room with some one of the opposite gender with out a member from a local area .
Am i the only one that has noticed that usually if you say that men and women are different nowadays people will call you an idiot and say that men and women are the same and that gender is just a social construct but at the same time people do many things and say many things differently depending on if its a guy or a girl?
Feels like people deep down knows that all of that stuff is just BS but they dont want to admit it.
@@CyberLance26 You're 'The Guy'.
@@CyberLance26politicising the comment section of a Jeremy Jahns review is a wild strat.
@@thatsphreshishfight against wokieness
@@CyberLance26🤓
I never got that impression as him being the facebook guy. My interpretation was more, here’s a guy who has been studying and searching for the right religion for him all his life, finds his one true god, and this is how he engages in communion with that god. Thought it was a great premise for a villain and Hugh Grant killed it!
Yea Jeremy was a bit off the mark here, seemed to have a bit of a chip on his shoulder about this film for whatever reason, writing it off a bit.
I think you have to be open minded and into philosophy and religion type topics and actually have brain cells to like it. It requires deep thinking and unfortunately most people simply just don’t have that.
At the end of the day, his one true god was himself. Very Luciferian of him, which I suppose pulls God back into the equation.
Yeah the Facebook analogy seems weird, this dude isn’t chronically online, he’s a serial killer lol
I don’t think he is an atheist, he has a God complex. He just uses that as a weapon.
“What does he do in his free time?”
Me (having seen the film): Clearly not baking
Reddit is what he does in his free time
I'm a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. Like many of my fellow members, I can assure you that it is completely against the rules for our sister missionaries to be alone with a man. It's also against the rules for the male missionaries to be alone with a woman.
Having been in a sorority on a campus where there were LDS missionaries around, I can honestly say that some of my sisters were good examples of why they have those rules.
Doesn’t he lie to them and tell them his wife is home? Also this wasn’t always a rule. Became one in like 2010 I believe? Super dangerous missions are.
@@Bigbluedome I've not seen it, so I don't know if he lied, but I served 2005-2006 and it was absolutely a rule then. I had a fantastic experience, really one that was foundational for the rest of my life. It is more dangerous working in a grocery store than it is to serve a mission.
@@Bigbluedomefrom the trailer I think you're right. Real sister missionaries I think are cautious about this stuff, but I think they get excited too when they're talking to Hugh Grant and thinking they might find someone willing to let them in and hear their message. So I found it relatively believable, though every sister missionary I've known is very adamant about those rules (you never know when a charming guy is going to lock you in his dungeon and want to challenge your faith)
@@brgardner897 interesting. I served in Germany with a German mission president in 2012 and it was not even really a thing for us until a year in. That being you can’t go into a home if it’s just a woman for elders and just a man for sisters.
To your other point I might press you on that. Even just my anecdotal mission experience in a first world country tells me no way. Let alone other parts of the world. Personally had an unstable trainer try to smother me with a pillow in my sleep. Wild shit. The amount of risk missionaries take on is absolutely insane and they die every year to say nothing of the ones who live with psychological trauma.
I took away the possibility that he is just a straight-up serial killer. Except he strokes his own ego with this anti-religious intellectual facade and ultimately as he admits at the end of the film 'control '
I’m so excited for this movie, especially as someone who served an LDS mission.
Diddo
I ask you the question that the movie asked: Do you still believe?
Sorry
LSD Mission?
@@GeoffByrdMusic I believe in Harvey Dent
I served a mission in Siberia 20 years ago. Some poor drunk lady got murdered/or severely injured (My russian was a little green) in our apartment building overnight after arguing with another drunk neighbor over a stolen phone. A Russian police office started slamming on our door the next morning. I had a new missionary with me at the time fresh off the plane. (Missionaries are always in twos) The officer accused us of partying all night, getting drunk and murdering the lady. I thought he was looking for a bribe, and didn't believe my ears when he accused me of murder and assumed he was lying. Ripped our metal door open, and pushed his way inside. Immediately saw a bunch of pictures of Jesus, open bibles, and copies of the Book of Mormon, and us wearing shirts and ties. My companion was scared to death as was I.
He sat down and listened to us for an hour. Even got a lesson on chastity and why many of us wait for marriage. Mainly after asking us if we "experienced" the local Russian girls. Haha! I still think about that dude. All those people actually. That side of the world actually. ;(
I served in England from 09-11 and we had some crazy situations. One sister missionary had a convert she taught not only stalk her, but cyber stalked members of her family on Facebook. The Church brought in lawyers to place a restraining order on the man and threatening further action if he even attempted to talk to her again, but it was still a traumatic experience that the guy was creeping on her for so long. She thankfully didn’t let it get her down in the long run though, which was inspiring.
We also had areas that were explicitly no go’s for sister missionaries due to safety concerns. Made me sad that people would think of harassing them, especially once I became a district leader and had to keep an eye on some Sisters along with the other Elders (Elders can get threatened too, but not in the same ways).
Still active after all these years and even wrote a study about Non LDS depictions of LDS characters for my master thesis. Curious how this one fares
I don't think this film is specifically directed at the LDS faith so much as questions about religion in general & even though there have been a few articles denouncing the depiction of violence against women or against people of faith, it is worth noting that Hugh Grant's character isn't shown to be someone with whom we necessarily should agree.
Also, the penultimate point is a bit dulled when we consider that all human power structures are about controlling others and that's not always necessarily a bad thing. It's abuse of that control or abuse of that authority that we should worry about. We have laws enforced by authorities because people do stupid things & we've all kind of agreed that someone has to be in charge of either preventing that or punishing them when they do. So that idea of belief being used to control people isn't as profound as people think.
@ totally fair. There’s just a usual…pattern in how LDS characters are portrayed. In a majority of films, LDS characters tend to be naive, lacking skills, and fail any objective in their story. Oh and die. They tend to die a lot. So I’m curious how they’re characterized here
Unless you were in the military or a waiter you didn't serve shit, you just shilled for an obscenely rich organization that doesn't pay taxes.
Here's a thought. Maybe don't go around bothering people with your mumbo-jumbo and this won't happen?
dude, threatening people is completely wrong, of course, but trying to force people to join your religion for their money and your self satisfaction is also wrong. if you want to practice this religion then knock yourself out, but perhaps not try to pull other people in? missionary work is just wrong and not necessary since everyone who'd like to join any religion has plenty of ways of doing so - even picking up a religious book should do the trick.
When i was a missionary in argetina for a the LDS church, got invited into a home by a dude who tried to lock us in there and give us drugs and tell us we were wrong.
Honestly, scary. I loved my mission, but got put in some scary situations.
I’ve been watching Jeremey for like what, a decade?
Dude seems to clearly have someone he knows that’s Mormon cause he seems like he genially knows about us and what we believe hahaha.
Great stuff Jeremy!
Seems like a religion that doesn't care about your safety. Like pretty much all the other ones. 🗑️
Harrasser gets harrassed
Enserio? Yo soy de argentina tambien, en que provincia fue?
That's scary. I know some people find missionaries annoying, but trapping them and trying to drug them is horrible and does not make me sympathetic. It just makes them worse than the people think they are annoying. It's also probably illegal.
Glad you're safe and nothing more happened!
"Jeremy Stop trying to make FETCH happen, its not going to happen" 😉😅.
I know. It's FLIP for FLIP's sake!
I was thinking the same thing while watching the video and knew someone would have this in the comments 😆.
but its like slang from England
@@hamzamaken9323 yea...but u know it's a line from "mean girls" right?....
@@christianromero6604 Yes, the slang from england line is what the other girl says to regina when regina asks her what the hell fetch is. I suppose you havent rewatched mean girls in a while.
If you recall, in the film it is revealed that he signed up for a Mormon religion house call. I thought this flick was pretty terrific. The dialogue was sharp and High Grant’s perf was Oscar-worthy. It loses steam in the 3rd act but it still sticks the landing.
The final shot ruins the movie completely. The butterfly was never there, hence, Mr. Reid is "right".
@@RestrictedFilmswell the shot cuts to her and then cuts back to her hand, so it could have flown away. I think it signifies more than anything that she is probably about to die. It’s left up to the viewer if you believe the divine was involved or not. I believe it was.
@@Red-zh7vq I thought it symblolised her friend visiting her in a reincarnated form. She was losing faith in religion as Hugh Grant was about to kill her. But then she witnessed her friend perform a miracle/ saving her making her briefly belive in god more. At the end she must have been in shock, probably hallucinated the butterfly from exhaustion and I think it is implied now her faith is somewhere in the middle.
@@RestrictedFilms I think the butterfly symbolises her friend reincarnated and implies her faith is somewhere in the middle now.
She was able to hallucinate the butterfly after witnessing her friend perform a miracle/saving her. But it was not definitive proof so the butterfly dissapears. Mr Reid lost saying there are only 2 doors/ opinions.
@@threshanimations7430 I like that interpretation. The film actually seems divisive, I’m surprised that it is not praised more. It honestly left me with a good feeling I don’t get from a lot of films anymore.
Trust me...the male missionaries encounter "this guy" multiple times a month. I remember knocking doors in a remote pueblo of Spain with my comp and this older dude seemed like he'd been waiting for us to show up for a decade. Was nice enough, dirt poor, but we mistook his intention to be interest in learning about God/Jesus and on the 2nd visit, he'd made us some strange fruit compote...my comp took a bite (and evidently only pretended to swallow) and gave me the "sign" that we needed to leave ASAP. So I spoke up as suddenly remembering we needed to be somewhere else and so we left quickly. Comp spit out what was in his mouth as soon as the guy closed the door behind us. "There were drugs or something smashed in that crap!" My comp was transferred a few weeks later and me, like and IDIOT (and bc we had no other leads) took my new comp to this guy's place. After 2 mins of chat, he put his hand on my legs and suggested something rather unmissionary to me. We left...not running, but quickly.
The "sign" you ask? When a Spanish speaking missionary touches his ear, nose, then jaw (Ir Nos Ya!) it means "Let's get the FETCH outta here!"
Jump to 1:15 if you wanna skip the advertise at the beginning
NOOOO! I support Jeremy so I suffer!
@@Horopterunless you’re buying the products he advertises you’re not really helping him more than just watching the video lol
@@SGTMasterBean how u gonna know if u want what he's advertising if u don't see it
Change your timestamp to 1:05.
Otherwise you're skipping over a great line 😊
Yay thanks man
Hey Jeremy, Mormon fan of yours here. Nice review of this video. I feel like you must have Mormon friends or something like that knowing all of those terms like 'Fetch' and 'Molly Mormon'
I quite like how the film didn't punch down Mormons.
I bet he went to a few mutual nights. Maybe a few deacon’s or teacher’s quorums.
Totally had that thought too
@jonbaxter2254 yeah that's what I've been wanting to know. Like, I'm totally fine with the movie asking difficult questions and having an honest conversation about challenging things, I just don't want two hours of missionaries being told all the reasons theyre wrong. Had enough of that on my mission 😅
@@jonbaxter2254 for me, I didn’t like how it made cult members sympathetic while making the villain paint atheists as serial killers, and tried to debunk valid criticism of religion.
It's pretty good, Hugh was awesome. It's like a solid 7/10. I just wish it had a little more scary stuff. It's like a mystery puzzle movie vs scary movie. Worth seeing but probably not worth buying on 4k
Yeah, I knew it wasn't going to be like saw but thought there would be more gore.
Like I was hoping with the "high five" part that they had to go through some horrible gore and maybe were injured.
and he would be like "congrats, you didn't loose your whole leg"
I disagree. I wish they focused on more of a psychological element. I thought the beginning leading up to getting trapped in the basement was fantastic, and I loved the very end, how it left the question of God's existence up in the air. The middle, horror segment I thought was kinda stupid. I would give it a four out of ten.
@_m4r1ss4_9 I mean, you have a religious symbol as your UA-cam icon... you're not the average consumer
@maximusjoseppi5904 I get that lol, I'm just sharing my perspective. I didn't mind the jabs at the church or whatever, that was obviously going to be part of the movie. I just thought the gore and middle segment got a little crazy lol.
I saw the trailer for this along with Robert Eggers Nosferatu when I went to see Terrifier 3 with mum
My first thought was “Hugh Grant in a horror movie, I’m already intrigued”
And as the bad guy, too.
Watching Terrifier 3 with your mother is crazy work lmao
@ she’s actually the one who got me into horror movies
@@IWF97 she's sounds like a good mom.
@@IWF97 that’s cool my man. My mother would disown me for just mentioning terrifier in front of her lmao, and I’m only half joking. You’re a lucky man.
As I actually WAS a sister missionary once upon a time, and I did get sent into some pretty sketchy areas - I look back at some of my time on my mission and think “Yeah, there was definitely Somebody looking out for us.” ‘Cause I wouldn’t go back to those places now. 😬 Hell, my companion and I had a guy try to sell us drugs once. We told him he needed Jesus. Which, you know, that was our job!
But at the time, I didn’t think anything of it. Even though some other church members talked to us later and were all “Sisters, you really shouldn’t go down that street.” Maybe that’s why my God sends out the young idiots to be missionaries. An underdeveloped sense of self-preservation.
(I’m only partially joking.)
Anyway, thank you for the review. This premise hits a little too close to home for me, so I wasn’t super keen on seeing it (like I said, I was once a sister missionary). You’re pretty fair with your reviews of movies, so I’m glad you took the time to talk about this one.
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Seeing an advance screening of this two nights ago was...interesting. It was more talky than the original trailer made it out to be, but considering the themes the trailer alludes to [missionaries being invited to discuss religion, having to choose from the two doors of belief/disbelief, etc], I should have known. Hugh Grant did tell a few jokes, which got a few laughs in the audience, but it actually made me feel uneasy as I couldn't tell what he was going to do or say next. Overall, while this film was somewhat scary, it was more thought provoking - even bringing up other discussion topics that are not necessarily about religion. Plus, the last few minutes of the ending [not just the last beautiful shot] are debatable in what happened on-screen.
Another latter day saint here. Yes, missions can be incredibly dangerous for sister missionaries. As far as I know, sisters are mostly kept to areas that aren't as dangerous (hopefully) but they can never truly predict what will happen. I served in Japan and met a couple of sisters who had almost been kidnapped, so yeah, they definitely have much more risk than elders, I would say.
I’m a member of the lds church as well, and what a lot of people don’t know is that the original Texas chainsaw massacre was based on two Mormon missionaries that visited someone in Texas, look it up
I'm a member too; i didn't know this! that's cool
I never thought Hugh Grant, a guy I never really cared much for, would reinvent himself as an awesome villain actor. And he really is great at it.
Catholic here. I saw this last night and thought it was fantastic. High Grant was awesome. Ill say this, the arguments presented in this film against God are very weak. As someone who knows the dogmas of his faith, inside and out, and also loves his faith, I can defend it quite well. We all approach a conversation with our own preconceived notions and presuppositions. Something this film doesn't mention. Anyway, the zeitgeist approach to this film was laughable. However, for the sake of it being dogma in the film, the story was well written. I would definitely see this movie again. One of my favorites of the year, so far.
"What was the point, aside from being lectured" was exactly how I felt about this movie. I was super excited to see it from the trailer, like I thought the whole house was going to be some kind of maze of challenges and traps that tested their faith or whatever. But it wasn't, it was just like you said, that One Guy(tm), the Atheist who wants to argue and debate everyone, turned into a whole movie. I mean Hugh Grant literally lectures the audience for like 20 minutes straight.
The ending was what really fell flat for me. Like I don't want to spoil anything so I'll stay as vague as I can, but like...is the implication that he does this somewhat regularly? Like does he just get bored and call up some religious folks to come to his house and play this twisted prank on them? How did he get all those women? Was she supposed to be the next one? How did he have that many, and NO ONE had called the cops?
I served an LDS mission back in the day. Oh yes, this movie is a perfect representation ◔_◔. This was like every other day occurrence. Eventually you get to be like, "oh great, you are one of those... Listen, can we just skip the blah-blah angry reddit-post monologue and get to your horror dungeon? I have more important things to do."
Was I the only one really, REALLY, hoping for a Lovecraftian ending where Hugh Grant's "true" religion was something like Cthulhu? The ending where's she's walking through the doors in the sub, sub basement even seemed to set it up.
Same, I thought that too lol
Former missionary here, I'm glad you brought up the safety element, because for both men and women... serving a mission is surprisingly dangerous. More so than most people would think. I got shot at and suckerpunched, and some sisters in my district were robbed at knifepoint (thankfully, only robbed).
That said, the Church does have all kinds of measures in place for this. They're issued iPads which the mission office can track anywhere it isn't an undue robbery risk, Sisters are generally sent to lower-crime areas of the mission, and they're actually not supposed to go into a man's house alone (so maybe the message is "follow the mission rules"). But even with all of that, all it takes is one wacko, as evidenced by the fact that missionaries are unfortunately crime victims quite often. Everything from stolen bikes to being kidnapped to being murdered. It happens.
thanks for sharing
then how about NOT sending people on missions? set up a home page for those who are interested in converting, they'll find their way! but I suppose any religious organization is that greedy for money and power so they won't mind sacrificing a few 'believers'. so they could save lives - not sending people on missions - but choose not to, how 'great' religion is!
I was in Argentina super sketchy ghetto area haha great times lol
@@benzaiten933 Nobody is forced to go
If this was a parody, the people falling into the trap would have been jehovah witnesses and insurance sellers, annoying each other to death
Who is Geova?! 🤣
@eulojiorodriguez1497 weird people going door to door , annoying people with religion ,
Although I hate them as much as anyone,is Jehova, you f*cking mor*n.
Jehovah... it's Jehovah
@changer_of_ways_999 oops my bad . Thanks
Hugh Grant is having fun with his role choices. He’s having a blast.
Ooooh noooo the movie isn't two unrelated concepts, the atheist rant vs the saw trap. It's the same thing; HG is deploying the tactics of control that churches and cults use to control and entrap their converts.
A cheerful, family-minded normal-seeming foyer where you're introduced to the religion; they trick you into consenting to the 'metal in the walls' using politeness and vagueness.
Then, deeper into the house is indoctrination, the pomp and circumstance and the sermonizing, the library an illusion of academia and tradition. And beyond that room is a false choice of two doors which lead to the same place: someone's basement. Only then when it's far too late do you see the real bones of the church - blood, lies, smiling unbeliever hypocrites and women in cages.
The house is more than a mouse trap, it's his criticism of the indoctrination of the church. So he's actually right, but in a very wrong way. Home dude is the Killmonger of atheists - seeing the crimes and horrors of organized religion, his only thought is "but why not that system with ME in charge, instead?"
Mr. Reed going on random rants about religion, board games, music, and Star Wars gave me American Psycho vibes.
Ranting against and ridiculing all religions is always a good time!
@mavfan1 I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.
Um , how the fetch does Jeremy know what a “Molly Mormon” is?
I was wondering the same fetchn thing haha 😂
"molly mormon" "fetch" I'm a member and I was shocked Jeremy knows his stuff!!! haha
If youre like me you came here to see not just a review, but also an explanation for the ending. Heres mine. SPOILER WARNING!
Originally when i saw the film in theaters i interpreted the ending as paxton escaping, with barnes actually resurrecting from the dead to save her and then visiting her again as the butterfly on her finger completely validating their faith with a miracle and her re incarnation theory thus proving mr reed to be wrong.
However, after thinking about it for the last hour or two, i think ive realized that barnes did not come back to life and that all 3 characters died in that basement. Paxton envisioned barnes saving her, and as she slowly faded to death whilst praying she also found comfort in escaping and barnes visiting her as the butterfly. But more importantly it shows that despite mr reeds attempts she still died as a true believer and thus mr reed lost as he died scared of what awaited for him in the afterlife.
I think this interpretation is more valid because it’s more realistic based off her injury, the butterfly on her hand vanishing, and also its snowing outside in her “escape” whilst it looked like it was summer or spring in the films beginning.
I really liked the film, an actual original idea, all 3 actors were great, and it really kept me thinking about the end. Curious what others think about my theory who have seen it.
Yes when I thought she came back to life I was like tjats so stupid
But then I realized and had goosebumps for like 10 minutes lol. The ending was great now that I see what happened
I was actually a bit disappointed in this film. I thought the first and second act were great but the third act ruined it for me. Making Mr. Reed (SPOILER WARNING) into just a crazy creep who wanted to control women was such a let down. I was hoping he was gonna be something like someone who wanted to test or challenge their faith just out of curiosity or something like that. Making him just an evil monster I thought was a huge mistake and lazy writing.
Maybe that’s the point, he was trying to convince them that religion was a lie and purely about control which he uses as an excuse to do horrible shit just like every single religion out there.
Is that not literally the film? He tests their faith to the limit and breaks them (figuratively speaking), those devout realise that their life is a lie and the religion they follow is just a form of control.
@@masteryoung ikr I thought I was the only one who noticed
@masteryoung well yeah but I meant to make him into just a monster instead of someone who saw themselves as like a teacher or something like that would have been better. Someone whose morals were a bit gray as in his methods to try to convince them that their beliefs were nonsense were not so good but to make his INTENTIONS seem like he was trying to do good by exposing false beliefs and what makes people buy into false beliefs.
@@Frosty_Cat614 people tend to go mad once they learn the truth
I’ve recently been on a deep dive about Mormon history and theology. Pretty good timing for a movie to come out about it. I’ll probably see it this weekend.
As a member myself, I'd suggest speaking to one directly. Always best to hear about stuff like that from someone who believes it. I did a lot of study of other religions on my mission as well, but it never quite matched talking to someone who truly believed in those faiths.
Since Paddington 2 I’ve wanted more bad guy Hugh
Being LDS , nobody says "fetch", unless your name is Gretchen.
Fetch had a recent resurgence. My older brother loved it haha
dang fetch oh my heck
Or Hayleigh
Honestly there are so many true stories from missionaries of the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints they are just wild. Missionaries tend to attract a lot of crazies that want to talk to them. I had multiple guns and knives pulled on me, had to fight off dogs on a somewhat regular basis, was spit on, had rocks thrown at me, stopped a suicide on a major highway, plenty of marriage proposals, saw a couple of murders in real life, and put out a house fire on Christmas Day. I maintain that a mission is the greatest adventure a young man or woman can go on and there is nothing more satisfying than serving the Lord and others.
Damnnn😮
I served an LDS mission. Missionaries are not supposed to enter a home of the opposite sex. So these sisters would have given him things to read. Invite him to church. And make an appointment to come back another day and they would bring a woman from the ward to give an extra witness. Or had the lesson on the front porch
Not as good of a movie.
Yes but then the plot wouldn’t happen. Also, they do ask if his wife is home and he says yes so they think they’re ok to go in.
I saw it last night. It was a good time.
I haven’t seen the movie but in the trailer he says his wife is in the house making pie. So I’m assuming that’s why they went inside because he told them there was a female in the house.
The fact is he tricked them into the house by saying his wife was in the other room making pie. WHen they go to check they find his wife is not real, the pie is just a scented candle and the door locks behind them.
Doesn’t he say that his wife is home in the trailer?
The way you talk about things makes me think you grew up in or around the church. “Molly Mormon” and “fetch” and in your Soul video I’m pretty sure you referenced that it reminded you of Mormon beliefs. Just seems like you know a lot more than the average person. In any case, I’m a member of the church and keen to see this film. Love your videos
I didn't think I ever said fetch as a Mormon 90's dude from Utah.
But then again, my family were a bunch of hardcore sinners who drank coca cola, said "pissed off", and owned a microwave.
We had a dozen other F words, one of which would definitely get me banned from UA-cam.
3:10- Hugh Grant gushing about the brilliance of Animaniacs would’ve been an improvement. Not the movie the trailer sold and a real letdown overall.
I am a member of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter-Day Saints (aka Mormon). I served a mission as well in Argentina.
I can tell you first hand I had many, many experiences where I thought I was going to be murdered by a crazy person as well haha.😂
Looking forward to watching this one great review thanks!
Solid film and I thought Hugh was amazing.
My one gripe…if you’re going to set a movie in Boulder, CO (where I reside)…try and get some stock footage OF Boulder to use in your film to sell it.
I will Grant (pun intended) that the filmmakers did lock in Boulder’s spastic weather. Clear in morning, rain and snow by evening.
I’m also a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and long time Jeremy watcher. Haven’t seen the movie and don’t plan on it since horror / thriller typically isn’t my thing. I am slightly worried about the repercussions of the film. And just so others know - sister missionaries aren’t permitted to enter a man’s home unless they are accompanied by a third female member of the church - and often these meetings take place in public areas or at the church with several other church members. So idk I guess I just feel like this movie is a missionary’s worst nightmare come to life.
It is not horror
Hoping you do a full penguin review after the finale this week, it's so great!!
Saw it last night at I really enjoyed it. I was raised in a strictly religious background growing up and it really grabbed my attention the entire movie.
For those that missed it... they didn't randomly knock on his door... he requested them. There's a whole sublot with a character from the church looking for the sister missionaries by going to a list of houses who asked for that meeting
As a former Mormon, it's my honor bound duty to step in and correct an error in your video. The real Mormon F words are 'Frick' and 'Fuh.' 'Fuh' was Esespecially popular in the 90s. 😂
How about "Flip"?
@@rosamariabest6069 yes, and sometimes freak, fudge, frig, "effing"....
It was highly contextual.
Fetch is a more recent addition, yeah. Frick is still used a lot, you don't really hear fuh from anyone except the truly "edgy" wannabes though.
I had LDS friends growing up & I remember watching the censored version of Snakes on a Plane where Sam Jackson mentions the "monkey fighting snakes on this Monday to Friday plane" & I thought "this is the LDS edit".
I've never in my life heard the word Fuh and I live in UT 😂
Where are the religious people's outrage on this movie? They went ballistic over Harry Potter, and yet this movie has been completely okayed?
I guess they really don't want to see that movie, it's that "bad"
Stop trying to make Fetch happen, Jeremy. It's not going to happen.
(Sorry, had to say it)
Cinematography was great. Acting was very good. The idea was excellent and so was the buildup and the first half of the movie. It REALLY went downhill from there. I didn't hate it, or like it, it was just a really pretty journey to nowhere for me. It's kind of like a song that has a great verse but no chorus.
Same. Felt like a missed opportunity to do something I’m more interesting.
The most unbelievable thing about this movie is I’m sure Mormon sisters don’t just happen to be that good looking and just look like normal like the rest of us.
Its control, They are the protagonist, More people will sympathize if they are good looking vs if they are not
Latter-day Saint returned missionary here. I can’t tell you how terrifyingly plausible the situation in this movie is. I spent my two years in Ulaanbaatar Mongolia and found myself in many situations no 19 year old should ever be in. It’s kind of wild how the church just sends kids into the world with minimal supervision.
Here I was, thinking the 1994 video game made by ID Software was getting a movie adaptaion.
My disappointment was immeasurable.
Unrelated fact but related to the movie's topic:
Sandy Petersen, one of the guys behind the original DOOM games, is in fact Mormon.
He was asked about it and he said something along the lines of "What is more Christ-like than destroying demons?" :D
Watched this today. The build up was great, but the ending is extremely short and disappointing.
Its like they ran out of time and just cut everything short. Could have been great if finished properly.
Another layer to the symbolism: Mormon women don't have the same rights as men, which happens in many religions. For example, women can't be priests, and they have less authority in the church. In some of their churches, women can't even meet outside of the church to lead a spiritual activity without a man present. Also, women are often expected to follow "traditional" values, which means that the husband has more power -- instead them being equal partners.
Now, of course, some women who are fine with these practices. However, there are also women who've left the church and describe it as a very difficult process. In more extreme situations, they also describe problems with domestic abuse.
Basically, they felt trapped in a situation where they were controlled by men -- and like they had to escape.
all the christian chueches that have women priest are slowly disappearing as less and less people go.
not saying traditional Christians are increasing but liberal Christians are not right since people tend to leave their churches and they get no new people.
Happy to see LDS get a Thriller/Horror entry finally
Appreciate the no alcohol required plug, since the pun of members of the Church don't drink works out nice. As far as how it represents the Church and its missionaries I'd say about 25-30% representative and the rest is an axe to grind about religion.
I was curious about that being LDS myself. They usually fall on one extreme or the other, from being terribly off on one hand to the Singles Ward on the other 😂
I think the LDS element is really just part of the setup with the film being more about belief & faith in general. It didn't seem to be specifically targeting the LDS church. It's just there's more public awareness about them due to popular media plus the distinct look & approach the missionaries have.
Or maybe they felt Catholicism gets too much press already.
Very nice review, sir. I dug the film as well. Tense and cerebral conversations about religion and faith. Hugh Grant's performance is one of my favorites of the year so far.
The first time I ever saw Sister Missionaries in person was about 3 months ago. I was trying to get people to register to vote at a mall, and was there a few times over a few days. And I saw them a few times and they talked with me for a moment. They were both really pretty too. They could totally melt my heart..if I had one..
Pretty sure they pick good looking ones on purpose.
@roosterjackson7258 Missionaries volunteer to serve church missions. The church doesn't pick out cute ones.
Cut and paste sounds right. I read a manuscript three years ago that focused on religious debate. A lot of the discussion seems uncomfortably familiar here. But cut and paste of ideas i read there seems an appropriate comment.
I personally loved the movie. I just wish that since they decided to actually use the name Mormon and not just call them generic missionaries like most movies would, they'd have delved into more controversy surrounding the LDS community. Because there is FAR more than just the polygamy issue that they discussed.
I love how Topher Grace was in the movie and was never mentioned by Jeremy because like, why the hell was he in the movie
Lmao he was basically useless in the film,
It's a little unbelievable that two native English speaking missionaries were sent to an area where people spoke English.
Huh? It happens all the time in California.
That's a common thing for US missions??
US missionaries have about 50-60% chance of being called within North America. They even get called to Utah, and it's a massive mission.
The application has a spot to say whether you're comfortable or not in learning a new language. I assume many say no. Every single ward/congregation has one pair of missionaries assigned. There's thousands in the US.
We had LDS missionaries on campus all the time in Austin, Texas. I always felt sorry for them because a lot of people treated them like they were contagious, especially all the Catholics & Baptists.
I grew up morning and went on a mission to Argentina. I had one meeting with a woman that reminded me so much of this movie… i have never felt such a dark presence in my entire life than I felt in this ladies house… I ended up leaving the church around ten years ago but I still think about that day all the time
I served in Seattle and had some of the most terrifying experiences. Most haunting part of a mission is we knock on hundreds of doors a day and eventually run into the crazies. Heck funny enough at the end of my mission we came into the home of this guy and later on he told us he was curious to learn about our religion because his great great and so on grandpa wrote the book of Mormon ….. we were like who are you lol. He said Kyle, Kyle Whitmer. Unreal.
Hugh did such a good job. He dropped some knowledge in it, and it was definitely a different take on the genre. I loved it.
There are sisters. I’m not Latter Day Saints but my baptist mother always invited them inside to talk, and no I don’t think it’s safe but I got the feeling that the girls we met would try to find houses with chalk on the driveway or children’s toys in the hopes of being let in by the wife of the home.
People debating about religion? Damn, that by itself is horrifying, lol.
Don’t be woke
I'm late to this but Jeremy, he asked the girls to be there. He contact their church, saying he was interested and they sent the 2 sisters there. He's not waiting for missionaries to knock on his door, he invites them there
3:50, funny story, missionaries mostly teach that exact demographic.
A good chunk of my middle school years were spent in a small Mormon town in Idaho. The practice of substituting curse words with more gentle and benign language is something I've witnessed Mormons do first hand. Although I never heard any of the kids in my school use "fetch" for the F-bomb. They used "flip" for the F-word, "trash" for the A-word and "blimp" for the B-word.
"If you didn't like Jeremy's review of this movie, well then flip you!"
"John and Steve got into a fight last week, and Steve kicked John's trash"
"Linda has been acting like a real blimp lately"
As a film about Mormon missionaries, I appreciate that no alcohol is required.
That Raul Julia reference was gold, I was seriously like, "WTF"? lol
I served a Mormon mission. Our sister missionaries are not allowed to enter a home if there is no woman seen present. The men are also not allowed to enter a home if there is no man present.
That doesn't make it safe
It’s a movie, not a documentary.
@@tmrevenge woulda worked here 🤷
@@kfitz2711 I'm not making a critique of the movie. This was more so a response to Jeremy wondering if it's safe for women to serve as missionaries.
The guy lies to them and tells them his wife is at home
Funny, too, having just watched a short where someone was interviewing Hugh Grant. They asked him if his parents appreciated his becoming an actor and he said flatly, no.
He said, partly joking, his mother wanted him to be the archbishop of Canterbury.
He joked, I'm still holding out a little hope. :-)
This movie was free therapy. As an Ex-Mo that went on a mission you always have that one investigator that seems off.
Had one that openly admitted he killed his own father with a machete. And we never went back since then.
Sounds like a guy who really needed Jesus 😅
Why are random people Mormons visit called investigators?
@@GGJ2002 Because they're "investigating" the Mormon religion.
"the one true religion is Control" that unwinding of the end plot was chilling.
I’m considering going to watch it today…
Me too haha ! Here to see what others think of it
Do it
Its good
@ heck yeas 😁
I just got an ad for someone advertising the Book of Mormon and that's a perfect ad for this video
2:00 He was right, though. About being Jewish, if that's the base, why be anything else if you're taking from that.
@VesaJay Well, Mormons are a cult that doesn't resemble Judaism in any meaningful way. As far as "why be anything else"; there happens to be multiple "kinds" of Judaism, like modern Judaism is not the same as first century Judaism, so you'd have to be specific about which one you think people should follow. Furthermore, Jesus Christ was the Jew of all Jews, he was the perfect Jew, like literally his title was "the King of the Jews". So, Christianity is actually the MOST Jewish religion in this sense. Following the best Jew, who was Jesus, is Christianity. So, ironically, "the base" here is actually Christianity, even though it came, chronologically after Judaism had already been established.
“Great Aunt Burget” good breaking bad reference Jeremy
I saw this movie last night. I thought it had some interesting ideas, but the theological arguments/conversation sounded like someone who hasn't read any holy books. Hugh Grant was amazing and the two ladies were pretty good.
Why read them if you don’t believe them. His whole argument is that religion is propaganda used to control people which only makes sense if you don’t believe the words.
I think that's done intentionally, to leave holes in his argument.
SPOLIERS:
Through his study Reed only see's religion as a means of control, but Sister Paxton at the end of the film discusses the prayer expirement and concludes that although prayer doesn't do anything, it's nice to think of others. Religion teaches certain moral behaviors that allow us an individuals to transcend selfishness and work together as a society. Reed spends his life isolated from others in a house in the mountains so he doesn't understand that utility, he only see's it as a means of control.
@@cameron9292 does Reed counter the "transcend selfishness" argument by pointing out how much raw earthly money the church has hoarded, and what they actually do with it?
...I guess I need to see the movie to find out.
@@PupGamer Yes he does, he makes a money allegory about halfway through the film criticizing Christianity. But that isn't a counterargument to religion as a whole, you seem to be focused on a particular faith and how their power structure has consolidated an incredible amount of wealth and power, which even goes against the teachings of their own messiah. I think it would be unwise not to separate this power structure and the actual teachings within their books, let alone let the actions of one particular faith taint religion as a whole.
@@PupGamernot all churches or religions are wealthy.
Lmfao I haven’t seen a Jeremyjahns review in like 10 years but I still clicked because I knew he’d have a good take. Glad youre still doing it (and still look the same) see you in another 10 lol