As a former member of the Mormon church, I have been eagerly awaiting this film. I have to say that I agree almost completely with your review. They kind of lost me when they brought in the "prophet". The worst part of that to me was, the bodies were presumably switched when they were at the top of the stairs yelling for the other missionary who was looking for them. Mr. Reed would have no idea that that man would have shown up to allow this distraction. It showcases the very dangerous situations that the Mormon church, and I'm sure others, put their missionaries in. Generally speaking, Mormon missionaries are kids...18-20 years old. There are all kinds of horror stories of things that have happened to the missionaries. I'm sure many of them would make for some good movies! The two actresses are former members of the Mormon church as well. I loved the fact that they were able to bring in accurate mannerisms and language which made it very authentic. On the whole, I enjoyed the movie. I just wish it had stayed in the same vein that it started with.
Yes and the religion still has a living prophet who determines by control of how interprets events. They talk a lot about weekly impressions on how God revealed himself to each member. The girls draw as the people take turns speaking about their impressions. They gave me paper and a pen and the girl was friendly and strict as she drew butterflies and flowers as she heard people's impressions of how God showed them that he was with the speaker during the weak as he shared his experience. So the movie made sense to me. I had 5 missionaries at my house almost every day of the week. We had some deep discussions like in the movie. They were all men. I did have 2 female missionaries come to my house and they wanted in my house to talk. I said no. It didn't seem right. It was very unusual because the girls do not come in unless there is another female in the home. I was concerned about them going to strangers' houses. Yes I and the men had days of discussions at my house. I found it interesting. They kept bringing other men who had been in the faith longer for the deeper conversations. COVID-19 happened and they disappeared since the lockdowns. It did remind me of a game of cat and mouse in our discussions. I knew nothing about their religion so I was very inquisitive about what they believed in and they did a great job of trying to not answer the questions I had in a polite way.
Are we in an era of reverse psycho biddy / hagsploitation era where former leading men heartthrobs are now starring as crazy older men in psychological horror films?
She was losing blood and having a hallucination. She never stopped the bleeding. They foreshadowed this at the start of the film - when people have "near death experiences and start seeing things" Everyone died at the end
I thought she DID survive and she was seeing the butterfly because it's a symbol of her belief still being intact after the whole event. Even though we know it's not really there, she is still choosing to believe what she believes because it's comforting. Kinda reminds me of the themes from Life of Pi.
One time my father in law was telling us about a movie he was excited to see. He kept saying it starred Hulk Hogan. I was so confused and my husband turned to me and quietly said he means Hugh Jackman. Anyway, I just went to go see Heretic. I think Jackman did a great job.
100% percent agree with Joseph of what I was expecting from this movie. Something with more psychological grey areas, and maybe less hokey. It was just okay.
I thoroughly enjoyed the religious debates in the film. That kind of stuff gets me going. I didn't think about it at first, but I do see that her piecing everything together was a stretch. I also questioned how they didn't hear the bodies being switched. From the table and chair being moved, an emaciated person moving a dead body, opening the trap door, the thud from the body being thrown in (because she's be too weak to carry a body down a ladder), and then everything being put back together. How did neither of them hear that? All in all, I did enjoy the film and would recommend it. 3.5/5.
I went to see it today. I thought it was intelligent and well acted. I took the butterfly at the end to mean that she lost her faith but I could see the part about her being dead, too.
Great video review as always. Ngl, this is what I wanted the movie Martyrs to be just because I adored how they explored all the themes presented here and, to me, it never felt like they were choosing a side. It was all about how you perceive the movie's events yourself, I think. Big fan.
I liked your thoughts:) I agree that the basement didn’t feel as strong as the first part of the movie, but the ending…I think the butterfly was a clue that Sister Paxton actually died, because there’s no way the other sister survived the throat slash and the rest was just the crazy stuff our brains do when we die, “going into the light”, and as a viewer we have to choose belief or disbelief about what actually happened. The nature of reality butterfly 🦋. And the phone still said “no signal” even when she went outside…
Man, if you haven't seen The Undoing on HBO, it's incredible. It's Hugh Grant and Nicole Kidman as a New York power couple, he's a world-renowned pediatric oncologist who's accused of murdering his mistress. Hugh Grant gives one of the best performances I've ever seen towards the end of that show.
I'm surprised more missionaries, do not get into crazy, deadly situations. There are so many crazy people in the world. I'm sure this film will give some sicko ideas. But i am surprised more crazy stuff doesnt happen to missionaries. Unless they do, and im just not aware. 🤔 Anyway, good review as always.
Come on, this movie won't give people any ideas they wouldn't have otherwise. There have been missionaries going on these for 2 years for how long? The face of the church in current media is almost exclusively young, attractive women. The church is behind this film...what does that say about how comfortable they are about that possibility? It's a risk they take to serve God and they do have many safeguards this film may or may not realistically depict.
@carlao7157 Convinced by what? You want to believe people are good to exist in harmony is one thing. It has nothing to do with convincing. You treat people fairly based on their actions.
@razorbeard6970 based on the evidence......most of.the time and in most situations everything is fine. OP is surprised more bad things dont happen...due to over estimating bad people
I really wanted it to make more sense or be more about the religious historical angle than just normal male degeneracy. He could have made an argument that all those religions are inverted/satanic and then went about his business based on that.
This movie’s trailers make it look interesting to me, which is unusual. 5:58 Oohh! Topher Grace- the only non-dirtbag from That 70’s show- love that for him
@ it’s not just the younger men; Kurtwood Smith and Debra Jo Rupp both wrote letters to the judge on behalf of Danny Masterson after he was convicted of r&pe.
It’s my guilty pleasure going to the movies and coming back and watching y’all review ❤ I really enjoyed this movie It was very disturbing because at the end I felt like the movie was trying to make you question if religion is just make believe or if it’s real. The butterfly scene was chilling to everybody in the theater was frozen. My favorite part was when he was breaking down how all these gods were born “December 25th” way before Jesus Christ was here, yet here we are people still celebrating “Christmas “ for Jesus … like gurl 🙃 Thanks for the review 3/5 is a spot on review
It definitely gave me theology class feels lol. I liked the debate aspect. Hugh Grant ended up being the fanatical one. Controlling the narrative and his belief by force. The pie and locked up half dead women is where they threw me off.
i love love love this concept and can't wait to watch this. i hope you both can do more psychological thrillers in the future. I love how Nick knows where these concepts come from so he sees the through line. I will always love Joseph as well. If I may make a request for more of the same please.
Clearly I'm in the minority here but I liked the film. It was nice to see women of any faith being smart and resourceful. Yes them being Mormon made me sceptical but I actually felt they were handled with care. Granted, I'm agnostic so maybe I just don't understand.
Listening to you all talk about this movie is more pleasant than actually going to see the movie. Thanks for telling the storyline and all the interesting aspects, including the directions it should have gone. You’ve saved my time, energy and money. In fact, you’re better than the movie, because I might have walked out and w you I can continue to listen.
I agree. I thought the movie fell apart closer to the end. Sister Paxton noticed the body was in the wrong position after they came back and she followed Sisters Barne’s order to challenge him. The ending was put together in a Scooby Doo way but I think it was in the theme of control. Paxton had faith in Barnes even after death.
I'm so happy yall mentioned Martyrs because I also felt themes of that film and movies like The Box or even Escape Room. I saw it last night and enjoyed all the performances but similarly I did understand what Hugh Grant's character was describing because I took world religions in High School. But I did enjoy this movie
I saw this at Fantastic Fest, where it was a secret screening. Everyone I saw this with had a blast with it! Also, without spoiling, this movie does to The Hollies’ The Air That I Breathe what American Psycho did with Hip To Be Square, Reservoir Dogs did with Stuck In The Middle With You, Beetlejuice did with Jump In The Line, and so on.
Everyone is a critical thinker when it comes to topics that are not precious to their core identity such as religion. That's why Paxton had no problem putting the pieces together after Barnes had died. Also, consider that the ending was meant to be intentionally ambiguous, because as with the general motif from the film, when left with unknowns it becomes easier to believe whatever makes you feel comfortable. Create your own explanation as to what the ending really meant. For me, I think the fact that the butterfly did not fly away but rather disappeared tells me that sister Paxton had been having a near-death hallucination and Barnes had never woken up; She had died, and so did both herself and Mr. Read. But, like I said, interpret it anyway you like. That's what I think makes the ending brilliant.
I really liked it. I thought it was a thoughtful film and provoked what you’re talking to believe versus what do you actually practice what you preach?
To a degree but ultimately I don't think he cared whether they practiced what they preached or not, his whole point was to show them that religion is all about control. What he was doing to them he believed was the "one true religion."
You guys have a way of explaining the movie to trigger curiosity in a movie I'd think why tf ppl suggested this to me ? To feeling like omg this movie was interesting ASF I felt that way about blink twice because I wasn't a Channing fan thinking he'd be a horrible villain. Watched you guy's review and I love the movie and watched it multiple times as well as smile 2 review y'all did Keep doing what you do 🔥🔥♥️♥️
As someone who grew up a Mormon and a skeptic, I’m so excited to see this. Missionaries to me always seemed intimidating, but the older I’ve gotten the more I see them as young and clueless 20-somethings. I don’t see them often, but I’ve made it clear as long as they don’t try to give me lessons, they’ll have a hot meal and unmonitored internet access. I was already baptized years ago, so it’s at no loss to them.
Yep, Nick probably said "Jackman" because he had heard Joseph say it a few minutes before and it seeped into his brain unaware. It was so cute when Joseph corrected Nick and said sweetly "Don't worry, that's the kind of thing I would do" or something like that. When Joseph actually had just done the exact same thing. Also, great review😃
It was ok. I wanted the house to be more of a maze where if they did the wrong thing aka sin they would get to the next room and be given another choice until only one would be left and would have to do something unspeakable to get out which affects her mind adversely... and she ends up in an insane asylum or she deletes herself.
This movie was suggested 2xs to Me and still have not watched it . Imma go ahead and say I'm not a hugh grant fan. But I'm here for the spoilers and details that might make me check it out eventually Super fan of your reviews y'all ♥️♥️
I like how as you breakdown each weirdly setup 'anxious scenes' for the duo, you don't quite say how you felt for them😉- clues that they are the "family friendly" stereotypical "horror"😀
the movie really fell apart at the end considering how detail was seemingly supposed to be such a large element to this ... the part where the two slave wifes traded places how can we believe the slave woman who can barely walk moved the table lifted a heavy door picked up a dead body somehow brought her down the chute and then carried her about 15 feet in the tunnel climbed back up shut the door moved the table back in place all in about 30 seconds (with nobody hearing anything) Yeah no sorry...this was pretty stupid...also why or how she threw up blueberry pie after she pretended to be resurrected when she wasn't even the one who ate the pie is kinda stupid after the fact. The movie was pretty good leading up to that point but those last few scenes destroyed the momentum they built up to that point.
Yep, those basement chicks ruined the movie. They couldn't have made up a dumber scene. Considering such clever narrative that we could see at the beginning, most of the basement scenes paled in comparison. Like if they switched the movies, from a good psychological thriller to some cheap аss B-horror
I felt like Regina King in Scary movie in the theater 🤣🤣 whole time I’m yelling “beat his a**” 🤣🤣🤣 I woulda sat in the living room til morning! I enjoyed the movie. Very similar premise to Martyrs. Allegedly the directors say the ending is apart of the twist. When the old lady described her near death experience, that’s what we see after Mr.Reed and baby girl are bleeding in the end. She is going on to the other side… so the friend coming back wasn’t really happening…. idk… definitely a lot to think about.
Interesting The church of Jesus Christ and latter-day saints actually still believe they have a living prophet who has the power of sight and interpretates the meaning of what he sees in the world. They also have living apostles inside their temples.
Sophie reminded me if Anya Taylor Joy and Emily Browning had a baby. I gave this movie a 5/10. I was also a little hungover when watching it so I was getting easily annoyed. 1. When that bully girl pulls down her skirt and is not punched in the tits by anyone? 2. They weren't scrambling to kill this dude 3. The sudden change in Paxton's character from meek follower to Sherlock Holmes Velma brainy final girl. This is a slow burn religious film almost like The VVitch, however, the faith shown here seems surface level while in The VVitch feels so real and lived in.
To me, the butterfly vanishing showed in one breath, God isn't real.. yet her belief in him is a beautiful marvel that brings her comfort during hard/dying times. I also think the women (his "profits") were his wives, hence why he truly brought up polygamy.
This was intriguing for awhile but the "reveal" behind the interrogation felt silly. The film slid off the rails for me at that point...he had two subjects he had manipulated into doing as he expected and his desire was to show them something he claimed was transcendent but in fact was just some bizarre experiment in self-importance. Control and the violent use of is a hard truth of this world but no experiment needs carrying out to show this. Heretic was okay to check out but I've heard all the arguments and facts both parties made long before this point. And as many have pointed out the showing of both girls to be a couple of sleuths after we've been shown them naively entering a house instead of quickly running away...
what she said about the butterfly and then that ending with the sun shining behing her, it reminded me of Winter light, the Bergman movie..when the end of the movie is the end of his faith too...I think that might have been the what the director tried to pull off. I don´t know...
So the ending… my theory is that the butterfly is actually Sophie. Remember, Chloe mentioned she wanted to visit her loved ones as a butterfly on their finger tips after death and I think Sophie did that once she FINALLY dies. 👀
If you guys watch Small Things Like These, begging y'all to read the novella it's based on first. It stayed true to the book, the movie is very well received in the UK and Ireland probably because they're familiar with the story. Y'all need a bit of context to fully get it.
Spoilers* I thought it was very strong, very thoughtful, although I agree it started stretching at the later stages. I kind of wished it really really leaned more into the simulation theory but, it was very obvious it was a trick - I wished it went harder on that and made it more difficult to disprove -- it seemed like all of a sudden Cloe East's character instantly transformed into his intellectual equal, without earning it fully at that point. But I guess it was to show that she was smarter than she seemed, and the cutesy bubbly stuff was more out of respect for others, and not challenging their authority? William Friedkin's movie Bug did that very well by the end, where I kind of felt like I was losing my mind a bit hehe, I feel like I could of got there if he started going off about some really strong conspiracy theory, also I wished there was more comedy, there were little chuckles here and there, but I wish Hugh Grant got a bit goofier.
Did you say that you took the butterly ending as that Chloes character dying?? Because to me that was the other character signaling to her that shes okay on the other side, but it disappearing so fast was so she can still leave doubt.
I've been reading a lot of comments about how the LDS Church puts young missionaries in danger. I can only speak to my experience and to those I know, but I think that statement is inaccurate and misleading. You may think that going around and meeting people is inherently dangerous, but I guess I don't. I found myself in some questionable situations in a foreign country, but those were of my own choice and doing. Yes, missionaries occasionally die on their missions in rare situations, but the safety of missionaries, particularly the sisters, is quite important and they have quite a few rules that may seem oppressive, but are designed to keep them safe on a number of levels. It's interesting that the missionary characters in this story break those rules and that leads to their danger.
“You mean Hugh Grant? That’s what I would say”. Joseph - you did 😂😂😂 love you both!! 💛
Haha...loved that
him doing that like a minute prior and neither caught it i laughed
Was bout to say he definitely said it before him..😂
He says Hugh Jackman I laughed
This was the comment I was looking for 😜
As a former member of the Mormon church, I have been eagerly awaiting this film. I have to say that I agree almost completely with your review. They kind of lost me when they brought in the "prophet". The worst part of that to me was, the bodies were presumably switched when they were at the top of the stairs yelling for the other missionary who was looking for them. Mr. Reed would have no idea that that man would have shown up to allow this distraction.
It showcases the very dangerous situations that the Mormon church, and I'm sure others, put their missionaries in. Generally speaking, Mormon missionaries are kids...18-20 years old. There are all kinds of horror stories of things that have happened to the missionaries. I'm sure many of them would make for some good movies!
The two actresses are former members of the Mormon church as well. I loved the fact that they were able to bring in accurate mannerisms and language which made it very authentic. On the whole, I enjoyed the movie. I just wish it had stayed in the same vein that it started with.
Yes and the religion still has a living prophet who determines by control of how interprets events. They talk a lot about weekly impressions on how God revealed himself to each member. The girls draw as the people take turns speaking about their impressions. They gave me paper and a pen and the girl was friendly and strict as she drew butterflies and flowers as she heard people's impressions of how God showed them that he was with the speaker during the weak as he shared his experience. So the movie made sense to me. I had 5 missionaries at my house almost every day of the week. We had some deep discussions like in the movie. They were all men. I did have 2 female missionaries come to my house and they wanted in my house to talk. I said no. It didn't seem right. It was very unusual because the girls do not come in unless there is another female in the home. I was concerned about them going to strangers' houses. Yes I and the men had days of discussions at my house. I found it interesting. They kept bringing other men who had been in the faith longer for the deeper conversations. COVID-19 happened and they disappeared since the lockdowns. It did remind me of a game of cat and mouse in our discussions. I knew nothing about their religion so I was very inquisitive about what they believed in and they did a great job of trying to not answer the questions I had in a polite way.
Love that Hugh magically becomes Hugh Jackman at some point in in Joseph's head, and then it was contagious
After the film my girlfriend kept saying Hugh Jackman as well 😂
Nick: “HERETIC!”
Joseph: o_o
Are we in an era of reverse psycho biddy / hagsploitation era where former leading men heartthrobs are now starring as crazy older men in psychological horror films?
Yes! Am I 😂 at Hagsploitation
Yes and I'm so here for it.
That's what I'm thinking!!! Hugh Grant, Channing Tatum, Josh Hartnett and James Mcavoy I mean what the hell man.
Joseph: 'are you saying Hugh Jackman? That's something I would do'
...you did do 😄
Yeah, you said it first! hehehehehe - I totally giggled at that but your whole review amused me so! "and more talking"
haha I saw that too!
Yeah! He said it first.
I thought she got away, and the butterfly represented her friend who saved her and died. I liked it quite a bit, and it made me think.
oh so she did die at the end. I thought she made it out alive?
She was losing blood and having a hallucination. She never stopped the bleeding. They foreshadowed this at the start of the film - when people have "near death experiences and start seeing things"
Everyone died at the end
I thought she DID survive and she was seeing the butterfly because it's a symbol of her belief still being intact after the whole event. Even though we know it's not really there, she is still choosing to believe what she believes because it's comforting. Kinda reminds me of the themes from Life of Pi.
@@chriswelter3859 That's the optimistic view on the movie.
They never show her stopping the bleeding from her wound, so i assumed she died at the end.
Spohie never cane back to life to kill Hugh. Chloe was already dead, that was just her imagination
This was the best Hugh Jackman role since The Whale
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One time my father in law was telling us about a movie he was excited to see. He kept saying it starred Hulk Hogan. I was so confused and my husband turned to me and quietly said he means Hugh Jackman. Anyway, I just went to go see Heretic. I think Jackman did a great job.
100% percent agree with Joseph of what I was expecting from this movie. Something with more psychological grey areas, and maybe less hokey. It was just okay.
I think that Sister Paxton died praying and Barnes resurrection was just her hallucination and everything after. Idk
I'm on board with that conclusion
Can I just say how reassuring it felt to come across this video in my feed, with both of them grinning and seeing that it was posted after Tuesday.
This review imprinted in my mind “I want to see the movie with the two Hughs in it”
I thoroughly enjoyed the religious debates in the film. That kind of stuff gets me going. I didn't think about it at first, but I do see that her piecing everything together was a stretch. I also questioned how they didn't hear the bodies being switched. From the table and chair being moved, an emaciated person moving a dead body, opening the trap door, the thud from the body being thrown in (because she's be too weak to carry a body down a ladder), and then everything being put back together. How did neither of them hear that? All in all, I did enjoy the film and would recommend it. 3.5/5.
I assume they switched while the girls were screaming
@lukaj679 possible, but the question still stands. It's a plot hole.
But the debate barely got deep at all. I thought they could’ve done so much more.
@@nightangel3578 it's a huge plot hole. Their screaming could not have covered all of the noise that would've come from the switching.
@alistarrgalaxson5198 it's enough to scratch the surface though. Hopefully, it's enough to get people thinking and do their own research.
I went to see it today. I thought it was intelligent and well acted. I took the butterfly at the end to mean that she lost her faith but I could see the part about her being dead, too.
Great video review as always. Ngl, this is what I wanted the movie Martyrs to be just because I adored how they explored all the themes presented here and, to me, it never felt like they were choosing a side. It was all about how you perceive the movie's events yourself, I think. Big fan.
As an ex-Jehovah’s witness, this movie had me gripped from the word go. The debates & existential questions were hitting for me.
Yaaaay I came to see if you two had done a Heretic review! 🎉
Thank God. I need ur reviews with the spoilers before watching any movies. Thank you. ❤
Hello enjoying your content like always...so happy to see the chanel grow
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I’m seeing this in a couple hours so I’ll be back when I listen on my way home.
I liked your thoughts:) I agree that the basement didn’t feel as strong as the first part of the movie, but the ending…I think the butterfly was a clue that Sister Paxton actually died, because there’s no way the other sister survived the throat slash and the rest was just the crazy stuff our brains do when we die, “going into the light”, and as a viewer we have to choose belief or disbelief about what actually happened. The nature of reality butterfly 🦋. And the phone still said “no signal” even when she went outside…
I already got my tickets for Friday. I love that Hugh Grant has been in his villain era since A Very British Scandal.
Man, if you haven't seen The Undoing on HBO, it's incredible. It's Hugh Grant and Nicole Kidman as a New York power couple, he's a world-renowned pediatric oncologist who's accused of murdering his mistress. Hugh Grant gives one of the best performances I've ever seen towards the end of that show.
I'm surprised more missionaries, do not get into crazy, deadly situations. There are so many crazy people in the world. I'm sure this film will give some sicko ideas. But i am surprised more crazy stuff doesnt happen to missionaries. Unless they do, and im just not aware. 🤔 Anyway, good review as always.
Come on, this movie won't give people any ideas they wouldn't have otherwise. There have been missionaries going on these for 2 years for how long? The face of the church in current media is almost exclusively young, attractive women. The church is behind this film...what does that say about how comfortable they are about that possibility? It's a risk they take to serve God and they do have many safeguards this film may or may not realistically depict.
I'm convinced most people are good
@carlao7157 Convinced by what? You want to believe people are good to exist in harmony is one thing. It has nothing to do with convincing. You treat people fairly based on their actions.
@razorbeard6970 based on the evidence......most of.the time and in most situations everything is fine. OP is surprised more bad things dont happen...due to over estimating bad people
I really wanted it to make more sense or be more about the religious historical angle than just normal male degeneracy. He could have made an argument that all those religions are inverted/satanic and then went about his business based on that.
agreed!
This movie’s trailers make it look interesting to me, which is unusual.
5:58 Oohh! Topher Grace- the only non-dirtbag from That 70’s show- love that for him
The older men aren't dirtbags
@ it’s not just the younger men; Kurtwood Smith and Debra Jo Rupp both wrote letters to the judge on behalf of Danny Masterson after he was convicted of r&pe.
@@Neddoest Oh my bad well that's pretty damn awful
It’s my guilty pleasure going to the movies and coming back and watching y’all review ❤
I really enjoyed this movie
It was very disturbing because at the end I felt like the movie was trying to make you question if religion is just make believe or if it’s real.
The butterfly scene was chilling to everybody in the theater was frozen.
My favorite part was when he was breaking down how all these gods were born “December 25th” way before Jesus Christ was here, yet here we are people still celebrating “Christmas “ for Jesus … like gurl 🙃
Thanks for the review 3/5 is a spot on review
It definitely gave me theology class feels lol. I liked the debate aspect. Hugh Grant ended up being the fanatical one. Controlling the narrative and his belief by force. The pie and locked up half dead women is where they threw me off.
M Night Shyamalan doing a family friendly “Martyrs” has me intrigued 😂
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i love love love this concept and can't wait to watch this. i hope you both can do more psychological thrillers in the future. I love how Nick knows where these concepts come from so he sees the through line. I will always love Joseph as well. If I may make a request for more of the same please.
Been waiting for this one, guys!!! LET’S GO!!💜💜💜
You two never miss! Love it❤
Hopefully this movie will scare christian missionaries so bad that they stop trying to bother people.
Preach!
Never they will never go away
All religions are cults
My opinion
And I was raised Southern Baptist
Trust me I know
Nope, Christian missionaries are only terrified going to iran or iraq to preach lol
Ignorant comment
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The thing is is he actually doesn’t give them the option to leave. It seems that way, but there wasn’t an option
@9:42 and @10:44 you both said Jackman 🤣
Clearly I'm in the minority here but I liked the film. It was nice to see women of any faith being smart and resourceful. Yes them being Mormon made me sceptical but I actually felt they were handled with care. Granted, I'm agnostic so maybe I just don't understand.
I’m looking forward to watching this. Hugh Grant in his dark/villain era is golden
I was super engaged with this movie tonight, but the ending wasn’t all that great, especially with the reveal of the One True Religion
Listening to you all talk about this movie is more pleasant than actually going to see the movie. Thanks for telling the storyline and all the interesting aspects, including the directions it should have gone.
You’ve saved my time, energy and money. In fact, you’re better than the movie, because I might have walked out and w you I can continue to listen.
I love this channel ❤❤❤❤❤
I agree. I thought the movie fell apart closer to the end. Sister Paxton noticed the body was in the wrong position after they came back and she followed Sisters Barne’s order to challenge him.
The ending was put together in a Scooby Doo way but I think it was in the theme of control. Paxton had faith in Barnes even after death.
And Barnes resurrected to save her
Hugh Jackman, Hugh Grant, potato, potato, tomato, tomato let’s call the whole thing off…..
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I'm so happy yall mentioned Martyrs because I also felt themes of that film and movies like The Box or even Escape Room. I saw it last night and enjoyed all the performances but similarly I did understand what Hugh Grant's character was describing because I took world religions in High School. But I did enjoy this movie
I saw this at Fantastic Fest, where it was a secret screening. Everyone I saw this with had a blast with it! Also, without spoiling, this movie does to The Hollies’ The Air That I Breathe what American Psycho did with Hip To Be Square, Reservoir Dogs did with Stuck In The Middle With You, Beetlejuice did with Jump In The Line, and so on.
Everyone is a critical thinker when it comes to topics that are not precious to their core identity such as religion. That's why Paxton had no problem putting the pieces together after Barnes had died.
Also, consider that the ending was meant to be intentionally ambiguous, because as with the general motif from the film, when left with unknowns it becomes easier to believe whatever makes you feel comfortable. Create your own explanation as to what the ending really meant. For me, I think the fact that the butterfly did not fly away but rather disappeared tells me that sister Paxton had been having a near-death hallucination and Barnes had never woken up; She had died, and so did both herself and Mr. Read. But, like I said, interpret it anyway you like. That's what I think makes the ending brilliant.
I was hoping that y’all would review this ….
I really liked it. I thought it was a thoughtful film and provoked what you’re talking to believe versus what do you actually practice what you preach?
To a degree but ultimately I don't think he cared whether they practiced what they preached or not, his whole point was to show them that religion is all about control. What he was doing to them he believed was the "one true religion."
Oh I needed this today! Thank you loves! ❤️
Mr. Reed sounds like Mystery!
Wow deep 😁
You guys have a way of explaining the movie to trigger curiosity in a movie I'd think why tf ppl suggested this to me ? To feeling like omg this movie was interesting ASF
I felt that way about blink twice because I wasn't a Channing fan thinking he'd be a horrible villain. Watched you guy's review and I love the movie and watched it multiple times as well as smile 2 review y'all did
Keep doing what you do 🔥🔥♥️♥️
Pretty pumped for this film
As someone who grew up a Mormon and a skeptic, I’m so excited to see this. Missionaries to me always seemed intimidating, but the older I’ve gotten the more I see them as young and clueless 20-somethings. I don’t see them often, but I’ve made it clear as long as they don’t try to give me lessons, they’ll have a hot meal and unmonitored internet access. I was already baptized years ago, so it’s at no loss to them.
I'm suddenly very interested on how are they gonna translate the blueberry/ Lou Gehrig joke into spanish lol
Or into any other language. Bcs in most languages blueberry is something completely different
Nick don't be embarrassed Joseph actually said "Hugh Jackman" first lmao.
Yep, Nick probably said "Jackman" because he had heard Joseph say it a few minutes before and it seeped into his brain unaware.
It was so cute when Joseph corrected Nick and said sweetly "Don't worry, that's the kind of thing I would do" or something like that. When Joseph actually had just done the exact same thing.
Also, great review😃
I am so excited for this and I’m actually going to watch this after I see the movie. Can’t wait though to hear your thoughts!!
It was ok. I wanted the house to be more of a maze where if they did the wrong thing aka sin they would get to the next room and be given another choice until only one would be left and would have to do something unspeakable to get out which affects her mind adversely... and she ends up in an insane asylum or she deletes herself.
Yes like a series of tests to their faith. DIficult choices. That would be a better movie
lol I love how much Joseph loves Janet bc I LOVE Janet😂I wanted to marry her when I was a little boy and I would watch her on good times😅
Oof the scores are lower than I had hoped but I’m seeing it tomorrow and then I’ll get into this review.
Yesss. I been waiting to hear this!
This movie was suggested 2xs to Me and still have not watched it .
Imma go ahead and say I'm not a hugh grant fan. But I'm here for the spoilers and details that might make me check it out eventually
Super fan of your reviews y'all ♥️♥️
I like how as you breakdown each weirdly setup 'anxious scenes' for the duo, you don't quite say how you felt for them😉- clues that they are the "family friendly" stereotypical "horror"😀
Can not wait to watch this then listen to this review
Hi Nick and Joseph! ❤
9:42 Wolverine is in this 😂 jk i know you meant Hugh Grant
Wow! Great review!
the movie really fell apart at the end considering how detail was seemingly supposed to be such a large element to this ... the part where the two slave wifes traded places how can we believe the slave woman who can barely walk moved the table lifted a heavy door picked up a dead body somehow brought her down the chute and then carried her about 15 feet in the tunnel climbed back up shut the door moved the table back in place all in about 30 seconds (with nobody hearing anything) Yeah no sorry...this was pretty stupid...also why or how she threw up blueberry pie after she pretended to be resurrected when she wasn't even the one who ate the pie is kinda stupid after the fact. The movie was pretty good leading up to that point but those last few scenes destroyed the momentum they built up to that point.
Yep, those basement chicks ruined the movie. They couldn't have made up a dumber scene. Considering such clever narrative that we could see at the beginning, most of the basement scenes paled in comparison. Like if they switched the movies, from a good psychological thriller to some cheap аss B-horror
Excellent pull quote, Joseph!
Seeing this on Sunday so I’ll be back right after ❤
Joseph did say Hugh Jackman first 😂😂😂
I remember suggesting you guys see this in a live stream a few months back! I’m so glad you reviewed this movie 😄🤍
Just got out of this! Hugh Grant be cray 😂
First half 7.5/10
Second half 3/10
I felt like Regina King in Scary movie in the theater 🤣🤣 whole time I’m yelling “beat his a**” 🤣🤣🤣 I woulda sat in the living room til morning! I enjoyed the movie. Very similar premise to Martyrs. Allegedly the directors say the ending is apart of the twist. When the old lady described her near death experience, that’s what we see after Mr.Reed and baby girl are bleeding in the end. She is going on to the other side… so the friend coming back wasn’t really happening…. idk… definitely a lot to think about.
I fall out laughing everytime I see that part when she says "Ooh lord, imma have a heart attack!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Was that Regina King or was it Regina Hall? 😂
I liked this movie, lol, it was kinda cute 😂 the actors were all good and it had some cozy vibes in the upstairs of the house 😂
Interesting The church of Jesus Christ and latter-day saints actually still believe they have a living prophet who has the power of sight and interpretates the meaning of what he sees in the world. They also have living apostles inside their temples.
Just saw this, I really enjoyed it. Thanks for the review
This movie had great potential, didn't deliver, and had so many situations that didn't make sense. #wastedtime #didnotmakesense#saveyourmoney
Agreed
Yep, since the moment with the creepy woman in the basement I was like 🤦🏽♂
The purpose was to push them to keep making excuses for their religion rather than be truthful
Bingo 💡
Sophie reminded me if Anya Taylor Joy and Emily Browning had a baby. I gave this movie a 5/10. I was also a little hungover when watching it so I was getting easily annoyed. 1. When that bully girl pulls down her skirt and is not punched in the tits by anyone? 2. They weren't scrambling to kill this dude 3. The sudden change in Paxton's character from meek follower to Sherlock Holmes Velma brainy final girl. This is a slow burn religious film almost like The VVitch, however, the faith shown here seems surface level while in The VVitch feels so real and lived in.
To me, the butterfly vanishing showed in one breath, God isn't real.. yet her belief in him is a beautiful marvel that brings her comfort during hard/dying times. I also think the women (his "profits") were his wives, hence why he truly brought up polygamy.
Reddit Atheist vs. Mormons. This was fun enough, felt like it fell apart by the end though. Most fun part was before the basement
This was intriguing for awhile but the "reveal" behind the interrogation felt silly. The film slid off the rails for me at that point...he had two subjects he had manipulated into doing as he expected and his desire was to show them something he claimed was transcendent but in fact was just some bizarre experiment in self-importance.
Control and the violent use of is a hard truth of this world but no experiment needs carrying out to show this. Heretic was okay to check out but I've heard all the arguments and facts both parties made long before this point. And as many have pointed out the showing of both girls to be a couple of sleuths after we've been shown them naively entering a house instead of quickly running away...
here in Mexico City everybody LOLed when Hugh Grant randomly said a word in spanish
what she said about the butterfly and then that ending with the sun shining behing her, it reminded me of Winter light, the Bergman movie..when the end of the movie is the end of his faith too...I think that might have been the what the director tried to pull off. I don´t know...
So the ending… my theory is that the butterfly is actually Sophie. Remember, Chloe mentioned she wanted to visit her loved ones as a butterfly on their finger tips after death and I think Sophie did that once she FINALLY dies. 👀
Good catch! I kinda thought in that direction too.
I actually think it's her telling herself she's actually dead.
@@michellelatham8064 I didn’t think of that one, that’s gooood
That was my first assumption, but then it changes camera angles and the butterfly isn't there implying that she is imagining it.
Stop believing in stuрid religious сrар. The butterfly is just a butterfly (most likely an imaginary one). It's been added for symbolism
If you guys watch Small Things Like These, begging y'all to read the novella it's based on first. It stayed true to the book, the movie is very well received in the UK and Ireland probably because they're familiar with the story. Y'all need a bit of context to fully get it.
This movie was excellent !!!!!! Plot twist is wild !
What plot twist? 👀
Spoilers* I thought it was very strong, very thoughtful, although I agree it started stretching at the later stages. I kind of wished it really really leaned more into the simulation theory but, it was very obvious it was a trick - I wished it went harder on that and made it more difficult to disprove -- it seemed like all of a sudden Cloe East's character instantly transformed into his intellectual equal, without earning it fully at that point. But I guess it was to show that she was smarter than she seemed, and the cutesy bubbly stuff was more out of respect for others, and not challenging their authority? William Friedkin's movie Bug did that very well by the end, where I kind of felt like I was losing my mind a bit hehe, I feel like I could of got there if he started going off about some really strong conspiracy theory, also I wished there was more comedy, there were little chuckles here and there, but I wish Hugh Grant got a bit goofier.
Did you say that you took the butterly ending as that Chloes character dying?? Because to me that was the other character signaling to her that shes okay on the other side, but it disappearing so fast was so she can still leave doubt.
great takes. 10/10 video. Movie, not so much, but I did enjoy it.
Nick is so gangster. I love him.
I walked out the second i saw those 2 huge candlesticks and these ladies dont think to grab them and bash his brains in.
Topher Grace must have shot way more scenes? Or was that a fakeout like hey it's a famous actor, he'll be back, and then he wasn't
I've been reading a lot of comments about how the LDS Church puts young missionaries in danger. I can only speak to my experience and to those I know, but I think that statement is inaccurate and misleading. You may think that going around and meeting people is inherently dangerous, but I guess I don't. I found myself in some questionable situations in a foreign country, but those were of my own choice and doing. Yes, missionaries occasionally die on their missions in rare situations, but the safety of missionaries, particularly the sisters, is quite important and they have quite a few rules that may seem oppressive, but are designed to keep them safe on a number of levels. It's interesting that the missionary characters in this story break those rules and that leads to their danger.
Just did a double feature of Joker Folie a Duex and this one, this one was much better
Best religion horror movie of this year for me. 🎥
As an exmormon I enjoyed it 4/5
Did you guys get blueberry pie 🥧
final thought this did seem a bit derivative coming out so soon after Barbarian