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Personal theory is that if Jon had looked Valyrian, Ned would have asked house Dayne to raise him. Still a very honorable house, if he were raised a bastard then Dorne wouldnt think less of him for it, and it could potentially be used as a way to help Ashara. Especially helps when you consider the Daynes were probably the main supporters of the Tower of Joy in terms of food and manpower
Or he would have trusted the people’s gossip to make up a story. Like Ashara Dayne is his mother and she liked herself because ned was going to go back to winterfel with Jon etc.
@@AerysIIFirstofhisnameHow? Ned was closer in age to Sansa and Joffrey, did Ned Stark go back to Starfall to bang Wylla the wet nurse or what? If there Is a Stark/Dayne bastard down there that's Allyria Dayne, the one who was bethroted to Beric Dondarrion. It's really hard to tell cause her age remains unknown and that could be a good clue or a totally useless clue to speculate....
I think if he didn’t look like a stark, cat would hate him less. Robb looks like a Tully, and a big reason she hated Jon was being worried that Jon would steal Winterfell. If he don’t look like a stark that level of hatred and fear is gone
How Jon looks is probably the lowest reason in importance why Catelyn hates him. Jon could be an exact copy of his supposed mother and Catelyn would still hate the exact same, the only way Catelyn would hate Jon less would be if she never saw him in person
Another one of Rob's great mistakes, could have just imprisoned him, wait to sentence him till he gets to Winterfell, or just fucking send him to the wall.
Sending him to the wall would be the best option for northerners, the wall in the north is still seen as an honor for the most part, having Lord Karstark rot in a cell until the war is over would not be seen as honorable and killing him or imprisoning him would be both seen as dishonorable.
@@rocksjoshua Even that'd have been seen as harsh by his Robb's bannermen, even if a better alternative. Karstark had his line functionally wipped, 2 of his sons died to Jamie Lannister defending Robb personally and the last was captured by the Mountain.
@@donnish7472 Yeah but even the non-rhoynar houses (sandy dornish and stony dornish) are known to keep paramours (I.E. Lord Yronwood's duel with Oberyn Martell), which probably means bastards aren't as looked down upon even in those houses.
Good idea, but the Martell’s wouldn’t have been welcoming to Rhaegar’s love child with Lyanna, seeing as how he snubbed his wife, Elia Martell, to have him.
@@totsheh1207 Not _entire_ house- the female half came from end-of-line heiress, Argella Durrandon- who was of First Men blood; Valyrians didn't have the tradition of arms/ words & what-have-you- while the other Valyrians had to create theirs from scratch- Orys utilised those of House Durrandon, as a means of honouring Argilac's courage in battle- & to keep Argella's heritage alive...
What if Rhaegar sent Lyanna to Dragonstone instead of the Tower of Joy? She could have been with his mother and brother, and even if both still died in childbirth that means Jon would have grown up on the run with Viserys and Daenerys.
What if Viserys (Dany's brother) kept his senses and didnt descend into mad arrogance ? Ive heard tell that living a life in squalor while knowing that he was a royal slowly ate away at his psyche. Things like having to pawn off his legacy to make ends meet. Even Dany comments that Viserys was a good brother once, when he used to tell her tales of home. What if Viserys stayed that way, like a Rhaegar lite, and became an asset rather than a killable nuisance?
if viserys didn't become an unhinged psychopath, he wouldn't have agreed to marrying off dany to a khal, so then ilyrio might never get the idea to gift her those dragon eggs. viserys and dany would marry when she's of marrying age, and they would have had to approach the golden company by sheer virtue of them being targs and would have had to make promises if not outright pay them with their meager fortune. they would still end up running out of resources, dragonless, but there's a chance viserys would learn how to be a proper knight and forge their own destiny in essos.
I think Ned went to Starfall partly to tell them he was going to spread rumours that Ashara was Jon's mother (in case Jon looked Valyrian, so they'd think his looks were from Ashara, his presumed mother). They remained allies afterwards, so I'd assume they agreed.
The problem with that is Ned’s anger at Catelyn confronting him over ashara being Jon’s mom, if Ned spread the rumour he wouldn’t get mad at Catelyn for asking
@09hicktown Ned didn't trust Catelyn with R+L=J when Jon was young because he hardly knew her. He didn't want the truth getting out because Robert probably would have killed Jon.
Ned also went to starfall after the tower of Joy to give them Dawn, so the daynes could be convinced to hide Jon’s identity. If Arthur Dante died to protect him Ned could state that and the daynes would have honored that
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Ned sends him immediately to either the wall or MAYBE to the second sons (if he wants to play extra safe but send him a little later) No hesitation no regrets Jon would be alot safer there than he would if he’d had silver hair around Robert If he sends him to the second sons he could send someone with him to protect him If he sends him to the wall Benjen could be appointed as his ‘guardian’
Ned isn't that bright. When he wouldn't have the chance to do anything about it, he will rise his sword and gut Robert worse than that boer did and leave to keep his promise to his sister. Of course, this plan requires Howland Reed to stand stealthily behind Robert for it to work.
One thing: I think Ashara Dayne would have been willing to assist Ned in the lie. She may have still died as a result of her shame/grief (if she’s in fact dead at all) but before she did, she’d have admitted to being his mother
What if Rhaenyra took Gwayne Hightower as a Lover instead of Harwin Strong? What if Lucerys lost his eye *instead* of Aemond? What if both Lucerys & Aemond died in episode 10? What if Aemma Arryn last child, Baelon was born a girl that married Aegon-II? What if Viserys had Aegon II married Rhaenyra *After* Laenor’s death? What if Rhaenyra was like Jaehaerys The Conciliator? What if Rhaenyra Targaryen married Borros Baratheon? What if Viserys-I made Rhaenyra Hand Of The King after Otto’s dismissed/Lyonel’s death? What if Viserys-I made Rhaenys Hand Of The King after Otto’s dismissed/Lyonel’s death? What if Viserys-I made Daemon Hand Of The King after Otto’s dismissed/Lyonel’s death? What if Rhaenyra married Otto after Alicent married Viserys?
What if, instead of killing his nephew, Aemond only scared him a bit, then flew off. What if instead of getting off scot-free, Lucerys removed his own eye as recompense for Aemonds.
4 out if 5 of Neds biological children looking far more Tully then Stark, and Jon looking pretty much 100% Stark then Targaryean, like Ned got the weak genes of the family, because all of them went to Lyanna.
Aside from needing THE BRONZE DRAGON PT 3 it’d be kinda interesting to see what woulda happened if daemon killed rhaenyra on dragonstone is s1 ep2. Like that’d be kinda crazy viserys and daemon goin to war against eachother🤷
What if Ned didn’t kill arthur dayne, like they dog pile him to the ground or something, how he died (in the show) was really stupid dayne could have let just Ned (keep everyone else away) talk to his sister to clear things up and while they’d have to keep it secret he’d be a good ally for the North if he hid there or escaped across the sea to Essos for Danny or even train Jon as he would be bound by oath to protect his princes son
One of the theories is that Jon was letimate and that since Aerys, Rhaegar and Aegon were dead Jon was the king and that is why the Kings' guard fought to the death, their duty is to defend the king from his enemies and Ned was a rebell figthing against the Targaryens
I still don't get why Ned never told Cat the truth about Jon, by the time we get to the main series I get a sense they genuinely love and trust each other and I feel like Cat would be solid in keeping the secret, also it would have given both Jon and Cat less strife between each other.
Aren’t Dayne described as having similar characteristics to the targeryan? Ned Dayne has blue eyes almost can be considered purple, and golden hair that looked white. Jon could have passed as Ashara and Ned’s still. And Jon would have been more popular as his namesake Snow would fit his appearance. The only problem would be Robert if he recognized Rheghar in Jon, he could have send him to the wall before Robert showed up.
still makes me wonder what direction the show would have gone if Raynes had dark hair as intended in the books. One of her parents was a Baratheon i belive and thats how her hair was dark. i understand they did it to put more claim on the strong boys being bastards.. but common!! the seed is strong in black hair. there for it would have been more accurate if Raynes and at least one of her children had dark hair to.
It's interesting that Robert hates them as a whole so much considering they are his Kin. House Baratheon wouldn't exist without the Targaryens, considering Orys was Aegons half brother. Allegedly of course. Lol
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What if (show) Varys found Arya before she left kings landing and trained her as one of his spies instead of going to bravos and becoming a faceless assassin
I’ve always questioned if Robbert would really want to kill Jon, the son of the woman he claimed to love the nephew of his best best friend “chosen” brother. If he found out I could see Ned confronting him saying “are you really going to kill her son the son she died for the son she made me promise to protect, are to going to kill my nephew the boy I love as a son will you do that to us” Now I know people will say he’s a threat to Robberts throne but we see over and over that he doesn’t really want the throne or care for it nor does he care for his own “son”
I think the only option put forward here is saying that Jon is Ashara's son. If Ned were willing to send Jon away, he would have done it in the main series. Sending Jon with the Reeds is the safest thing for him, nobody outside of the North gives them any thought, a bastard at Greywater Watch would be of no interest whatsoever to the world at large. He keeps Jon close because he loves him, he's his sister's son and all he has left of her. He wouldn't be willing to lie about Ashara being his mother without the consent of the Daynes, but like you said, he goes there immediately after the Tower, so there's opportunity. And the Daynes aside from Darkstar (who isn't of the main family like Ashara and Arthur, but rather a cadet house) seem cool from what little we've seen, so there's a decent chance they'd be willing to play ball in order to safeguard the child that Arthur died defending, the last surviving son of Rhaegar Targaryen.
Maybe as leader of the wolf's guard Jon could have uncovered and prevented the red wedding, or intervened during it, stopping it, finally winning over Catelyn's trust? - Like imagine the scene where she helds Walder Frey's wife hostage and all seeming lost, but suddenly Jon storms in with 20 guardsmen, saving Robb and his mother ...
Ned could've come up with so many other plausible stories than Jon being Ned's bastard. There's a war going on and Ned could've easily said that he found this baby in the aftermath of a battle and the parents are dead. Honorable Ned couldn't leave the baby, otherwise it would die. Nobody would question that. Especially since it's apparently common knowledge that Ned is honorable and it's a big deal that he cheated on Cat. Cat's far more likely to buy that Ned found this baby and not be a bitter bitch towards him. He could even embellished the story by say that he saved the baby from being trampled or wild animals. Cat's attitude towards Jon is so aggravating and completely unnecessary. It's not like bastards are uncommon. Snow, Rivers and Stone are just some of the last names of bastards depending on the area they're born.
What if Ned sent Jon east with Dany and viserys. I know it’s unlikely but with the way viserys turns out to be, there could be plotting to put Jon on the throne over his uncle (viserys was crowned king in the books before leaving dragon stone so Jon wouldn’t be considered the immediate heir)
Well if someone like Huge or Ulf can have silver hair, then Ned could explain that Jon’s mother was a Dragonseed as from connection. My favourite part about this what if is Jon Snow becoming a kingsguard, I can see Catelyn pushing for this as that would get rid of Jon Snow as a threat to her children since as a Kingsgiard he wouldn’t be allowed to have children. And if Jon stay at Winterfell, creating Wolfsguard for Robb, is awesome, again Catelyn wouldn’t have to worry if Jon still doesn’t have children if the rules for it is the same. Another interesting scenario is Jon living with the reeds and meeting Bloodraven, that be an interesting revelation. But my favourite scenario is the kingsguard or wolfsguard, he definitely counsel Robb on his choices, probably having better time in the WOTFKs. As Kingsguard, it be awkward with Joffrey as King, if he doesn’t die, he tries to protect Sansa as best as he can. Thinking about it now, the Wolfsguard is my favourite scenario for Jon Snow in this what if, awesome video. 😎👍❤️
Ned: he is my bastard son, but the silver hair is a genetic throwback to the fairy tale of Jacerys Velaryon getting on with the bastard sister of Cregan Stark. Bobby B: Targaryen enough, kill Jim.
What if Tommen Baratheon/Lannister had a backbone? He still a kind person but also is wrathful like his brother when he needs to be. He isn’t persuaded by Cersei or even Margery (to an extent because that is his wife)
I think Jamie would talk honestly to Jon about how he had to stand by while Aerys mistreated Queen Rhaella if Jon said he wanted to be on the Kingsguard. Jaime would be honest because he wouldn't want Jon to have the disappointment he's had. Jaime would feel that he owes that to the nephew of Arthur Dayne -- to the nephew of the knight that knighted him. A Lannister pays his debts, after all. But I don't think Jon would listen.
Or what if Ned’s loyalty to his sister out weighed his loyalty to Robert? What if Ned took Jon back to Winterfell but didn’t lie? Would Robert really risk open war with the Starks because of Jon if Ned was raising Jon to be loyal to Robert’s kingship? It would have made Jon a cousin, Catelyn wouldn’t have hated Jon, Jon would have had a sense of self and Robert certainly COULD declare war on the Starks but is it likely? He knew Ned is loyal and honorable and if Jon had no desire for the throne, he’s certainly a smaller risk than Dany and Viserys. Ned could promise Robert he’d never support Jon in trying to take the throne and Jon has no army without the Starks. If Robert trusted Ned to keep his word (and why wouldn’t he) then Jon potentially could have been raised in the north as Ned’s nephew and Jon has just as small odds as Dany but has Ned swearing Jon will never challenge for the throne.
Ned committed treason by not offering Jon up to be killed though. Bobby B also celebrated what happened to Jon’s half siblings and called what happened to Elia deserved. It’s made clear that Jon’s secret getting out meant Jon’s death was almost inevitable and it was a dangerous truth to everyone who knew. Open war was unlikely but Robert would absolutely had Jon killed, he wasn’t far away he was in Westeros. Bobby B was not the good guy Baratheon stans pretend he was
@@DavidCarradinesBelt I don’t think Robert would have liked it, but short of Ned simply legitimizing Jon(which seems like a logical choice), he could have said he swore to his sister he’d look after and protect him. Robert definitely wouldn’t have liked it and if Ned was going to do anything, legitimizing him would Have been a lot less confrontational with Robert, but he could have done it. It’s possible Robert may have ordered Ned out of being Warden of the North for it but I think Robert’s only option would have been open war or try to have Jon assassinated, or just trusted that Ned would not support any overtures of Jon being king.
What if idea... what if Rhaenyra went to dragonstone when she got married instead of staying in kings landing? Harwin is the commander of the city watch, he wouldnt go with them, would Rhaenyra and Laenor have trueborn children... would she take another lover... would Daemon come into the picture earlier possibly fathering all 5 of her children...
Would Robert even be able to go through with killing Lyannas child? I can see other people and houses seeing him as a threat that needs to be dealt with, but I'm unsure if Robert would have the stomach for it. Especially considering how much he cared about Lyanna, he would be removing the only part of her left.
Robert celebrated when Jon’s half siblings were killed and didn’t really care about his own children. Why would he care about Lyannas child with his greatest enemy? Lyanna is gone and Robert only cared that he couldn’t have her, not what supposedly happened to her or nothing, Lyanna is only used to justify Robert’s hatred of targaryens and so he can wax philosophical about how much better she would be than Cersei even though he didn’t actually know her as a person. Robert’s ego wouldn’t be able to handle that Lyanna had a child with someone who wasn’t him.
@@DavidCarradinesBelt I disagree with everything you said except for maybe Robert being enraged that Lyanna “betrayed” him. The thought did cross my mind.
If I'm Ned I'm just gonna said it's Brandon's bastard. What is my dead brother gonna do about it lmfaooo. And Jon is a bastard too so not like he gets a claim to the Stark's seat.
They might rather send Jon aka Aegon (in the show) away on a ship with a Targaryan loyalist who loved raeygar, and a crew who can teach him swordplay, religion and culture in Westeros, and strategy in order to reclaim his rightful throne one day…. Now where have I heard that before?…..
Ned could have just said he was Ashara Dayne's son. Or not even said anything at all, people already assume Ned and Ashara hooked up, it wouldn't be much of a stretch for them to assume Jon is her bastard.
What is Nedd just bent the truth to Robert and claimed she was dishonoured by her captors and that John was her son and that her dying wish was for Nedd to take care of him. Robert loved Lyanna and I dont think he kill her “bastard” since it’s all that remains of her
Robert didn’t care about Lyanna he was just upset he didn’t get to have her. His ego wouldn’t allow Jon to live because of who his dad was regardless of if it was consensual or not
@@DavidCarradinesBelt Robert had an ego for sure but he did love Lyanna. I think if Nedd was honest about his mother and just lied about who his father was Robert wouldn’t have had him killed. Especially if Nedd kept him as a warden of the North he would have lived
Jon being part of the Kings or Wolf Guard is fitting, as he was considered one of the North's best swordsmen. WHAT IF.... For GoT What if Myrcella survived being poisoned? For HotD What if Viserys didn't remarry at anyone?
Okay Here's This What If Idea. What if Jon Snow is a Ghost Rider in Westeros being the Spirit Of Vengeance, he's power was given by Melisandre or any other Red Priest, to be The Lord of Lights Bounty Hunter. That would've been very badass. Seeing Jon being the Spirit of Vengeance and a Fire Walker. And having the Penance Stare on all of those who had wronged Jon's Family and himself, imagine giving the Penance Stare to Cersei!?
Bro. Sorry, but you can’t dye an infant’s hair. He came back to his wife with a baby Jon. She had an infant too. Robb and Jon probably shared a wet nurse. On top of all that old nan helped raise all the stark kids.
If jon looked targaryen, Ned would have no option but to send him away. Lord stark was an awful liar! Nobody is giving dark haired john a second glance, but a Targ looking Jon would raise far too many questions
Well this question has two answers to it. One for each Canon. In Show Canon where RLJ is true then honestly nothing changes until Robert comes to Winterfell, sees Jon, and accuses him of being what he is in Show Canon wherein Jon might get lucky enough to be able to go the Wall if Ned can convince Robert not to kill him. The standard Early Show and Book Canon story precedes apace. In Book Canon however where the most likely Parents for Jon are Ned Stark and Ashara Dayne if he looked Valyrian all that would happen is it would confirm in Cat and the rest of the Realm’s minds what they already suspected. That his Mother is Ashara Dayne who comes from a non-Valyrian Family who just so happen to share the same features of extreme beauty, Silver Hair, and Purple Eyes. This might force Ned into telling Jon his Mother’s name much earlier which would most likely lead into Jon wanting to contact his Mother’s family. Because Edric grew up with only his Aunt Allyria after his Father died learning of another Family Member would have a high chance of Edric wanting Jon to go to Starfall in Dorne. If they get along it means Jon doesn’t go to The Wall which sends the story in an interesting new direction.
Ashara as his mother wpuld make the most sense, since she supposedly had a child before she threw herself out of the tower. And most knew Ned had his crush on her.
The fact everyone has fallen for the GRRM red herring of r+l=jon. No babies. There is no possible way jon is lyanna's, based on the timeline. Jon is Ned and Ashara'a, and the only true born stark, if ned in fact married ashara like the small folk say he did, before his brother brandon died.
I love the idea behind your content, but something that frustrates me as a viewer is that you never decide on a point you tend to always say this or that could happen and I agree that these things could happen but I want your full take instead of this or that. Your content is always interesting in premise I just wish you decided what to do similar to Pente patrol that does Star Wars what ifs your content would be much better and much more enjoyable that’s just my take thank you for the video and I look forward to watching how your channel continues to grow and improve
This is what I don't get. They say the seed is strong and use ot for proof everywhere else except john doesn't look targaryen. So is the seed strong or not?
This would probably just end exactly how it did for Roderick Cassell in that Ramsay would have turned up with the Bolton's posing as friends only to betray and slaughter them except it would have happened to Jon instead. It's debatable if Ghost would have sensed the betrayal coming and given Jon the same sense. There's a few ways this would have gone down. Either Ramsay or Jon kills the other, or Jon is captured and brought before Theon who would then be faced with the choice to kill Jon himself or spare him as a hostage or simply see the error in his ways and probably die against the Bolton forces. In that scenario we could have had Jon and Theon die fighting together or both become victims to Ramsay's torture.
@@extraplain2412or John gets betrayed n flees to the wall meaning he can still have his lord commander arc n that but also have him with rob n bean for longer
@@jud3_get072 Jon would have no reason to go to the wall though. He would want to return to Robb in the South or he'd be trying to gather men in the North to fight against the Ironborn and the Bolton's if he managed to escape the situation. He would probably go to White Harbour where he would be desperately wanting to send a raven to Robb to inform him that Roose Bolton's bastard had betrayed them meaning Robb would have questioned Roose about this. Roose would throw Ramsay under the bus as a mad dog who disobeyed him and acted alone. The red wedding would probably still happen except Jon would now have the Northern lords rally around him creating a civil war between Jon and Roose which Jon would eventually win.
What if the Targaryen dragons recovered after the dance? What if Aerys was killed at Duskendale? What if the Boltons sided with the Greens in the Dance of Dragons? What if Cregan Stark remained in Kings Landing as Aegon III regent?
That's easy, if he looked valyrian he would have been raised as a Dayne bastard seed from a recent or not that recent Dayne lord. What makes me think that Ned promised Lyanna to take him to the North cause if that wasn't the case he could have left him in Dorne and Jon would have been happier since bastards are better treated there.
Tbh I saw the title of this video a couple days ago and I thought it was stupid af. Then… I looked at who made it and I was like “you son of bitch I’m in” 😅
Did... did you just say what if Aemon recognised one of Jon's features as belonging to Rhaegar? 1. Aemon took the black before RHAEGAR was born, and I don't believe we're ever told of him going south or Rhaegar heading to the Wall. They appear to only communicate through letters 2. Even if Aemon did meet Rhaegar, he may have started to lose his sight by that point and not be able to reliably remember/recognize him 3. AEMON IS BLIND
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What if Steffon and Cassana Baratheon didn't die before Robert's Rebellion?
Personal theory is that if Jon had looked Valyrian, Ned would have asked house Dayne to raise him. Still a very honorable house, if he were raised a bastard then Dorne wouldnt think less of him for it, and it could potentially be used as a way to help Ashara. Especially helps when you consider the Daynes were probably the main supporters of the Tower of Joy in terms of food and manpower
That’s what I’m thinking cause people whispered that ned and ashara were fucking and he could just say it’s their son
Or he would have trusted the people’s gossip to make up a story. Like Ashara Dayne is his mother and she liked herself because ned was going to go back to winterfel with Jon etc.
@@Beth-zs2jr Edric Dayne is the true bastard son of Eddard Stark
@@AerysIIFirstofhisnamehow? IIRC Ned Dayne Is closer in age to Sansa and Joffrey. Did Ned go back to Starfall to bang Wylla the wet nurse or what? 😂
@@AerysIIFirstofhisnameHow? Ned was closer in age to Sansa and Joffrey, did Ned Stark go back to Starfall to bang Wylla the wet nurse or what?
If there Is a Stark/Dayne bastard down there that's Allyria Dayne, the one who was bethroted to Beric Dondarrion. It's really hard to tell cause her age remains unknown and that could be a good clue or a totally useless clue to speculate....
I think if he didn’t look like a stark, cat would hate him less. Robb looks like a Tully, and a big reason she hated Jon was being worried that Jon would steal Winterfell. If he don’t look like a stark that level of hatred and fear is gone
How Jon looks is probably the lowest reason in importance why Catelyn hates him. Jon could be an exact copy of his supposed mother and Catelyn would still hate the exact same, the only way Catelyn would hate Jon less would be if she never saw him in person
Only one correction for near the very end. Robb didn't need to deal with Lord Karstark that way, period. He was specifically advised not to.
Another one of Rob's great mistakes, could have just imprisoned him, wait to sentence him till he gets to Winterfell, or just fucking send him to the wall.
Agreed. Robb could have punished Lord Karstark after the war was over and not executed him. Tactically, it makes more sense.
And it was kinslaying.
Sending him to the wall would be the best option for northerners, the wall in the north is still seen as an honor for the most part, having Lord Karstark rot in a cell until the war is over would not be seen as honorable and killing him or imprisoning him would be both seen as dishonorable.
@@rocksjoshua Even that'd have been seen as harsh by his Robb's bannermen, even if a better alternative. Karstark had his line functionally wipped, 2 of his sons died to Jamie Lannister defending Robb personally and the last was captured by the Mountain.
House Dayne is dornish, no? Dorne doesn't hate bastards like the rest of the seven kingdoms if the Martell are to be believed
The Martells like most Dornish houses come from the Rhoynar, which is not the case of the Daynes
@@donnish7472 Yeah but even the non-rhoynar houses (sandy dornish and stony dornish) are known to keep paramours (I.E. Lord Yronwood's duel with Oberyn Martell), which probably means bastards aren't as looked down upon even in those houses.
Good idea, but the Martell’s wouldn’t have been welcoming to Rhaegar’s love child with Lyanna, seeing as how he snubbed his wife, Elia Martell, to have him.
Kinda funny he hated Targaryens as he is distantly related to them
Man wanted to kill every Targaryen but had a Targaryen grandmother.
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What if Rhaelle Baratheon, Robert, Stannis & Renly’s grandmother was still alive during Robert’s Rebellion?
Uncle Ruckus Baratheon: Ned, this can't be, i got the results from my heritage, 102% valyrian, how could this be?
Also the entire house Baratheon was literally founded by Aegon the Conquerors bastard brother
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Not _entire_ house- the female half came from end-of-line heiress, Argella Durrandon- who was of First Men blood; Valyrians didn't have the tradition of arms/ words & what-have-you- while the other Valyrians had to create theirs from scratch- Orys utilised those of House Durrandon, as a means of honouring Argilac's courage in battle- & to keep Argella's heritage alive...
What if Rhaegar sent Lyanna to Dragonstone instead of the Tower of Joy? She could have been with his mother and brother, and even if both still died in childbirth that means Jon would have grown up on the run with Viserys and Daenerys.
Viserys would see him as a potential threat to his claim and have him killed probably tho if that happens
@@willgader943viserys was only heir because they didn’t know about Jon
@@kwashawntaylor3343 No, Viserys while alive would be the oldest son of the mad king , Jon is the grandson the throne goes to Viserys.
What if Viserys (Dany's brother) kept his senses and didnt descend into mad arrogance ?
Ive heard tell that living a life in squalor while knowing that he was a royal slowly ate away at his psyche. Things like having to pawn off his legacy to make ends meet. Even Dany comments that Viserys was a good brother once, when he used to tell her tales of home.
What if Viserys stayed that way, like a Rhaegar lite, and became an asset rather than a killable nuisance?
if viserys didn't become an unhinged psychopath, he wouldn't have agreed to marrying off dany to a khal, so then ilyrio might never get the idea to gift her those dragon eggs. viserys and dany would marry when she's of marrying age, and they would have had to approach the golden company by sheer virtue of them being targs and would have had to make promises if not outright pay them with their meager fortune. they would still end up running out of resources, dragonless, but there's a chance viserys would learn how to be a proper knight and forge their own destiny in essos.
I think Ned went to Starfall partly to tell them he was going to spread rumours that Ashara was Jon's mother (in case Jon looked Valyrian, so they'd think his looks were from Ashara, his presumed mother). They remained allies afterwards, so I'd assume they agreed.
The problem with that is Ned’s anger at Catelyn confronting him over ashara being Jon’s mom, if Ned spread the rumour he wouldn’t get mad at Catelyn for asking
@09hicktown Ned didn't trust Catelyn with R+L=J when Jon was young because he hardly knew her. He didn't want the truth getting out because Robert probably would have killed Jon.
Ned also went to starfall after the tower of Joy to give them Dawn, so the daynes could be convinced to hide Jon’s identity. If Arthur Dante died to protect him Ned could state that and the daynes would have honored that
Suggestions:
- What if Cersei was born a man?
- What if Jaime was born a woman?
- What if, instead of Strong Boys, we get Strong Girls?
- What if Daemon was a woman and married Viserys?
- What if The Dragon Twins married Aegon and Aemmond?
-What if Daemon became king instead of Viserys or Rhaenys?
- What if Aemma claimed a dragon?
- What if Aegon was the one who claimed a dragon late while Aemmond had a dragon early?
- What if Aemmond died instead of Jahaerys? Alt. what if Jahaera died instead of Jahaerys?
- What if Laenor returned?
- What if, post-dance, the dragons managed to recover in numbers?
- Maegor the Bronze Dragon part 3
- Daeron's Revenge part 3
- Dance of Three Dragons Part 2 (aka What if Rhaenyra went instead of Rhaenys)
Ned sends him immediately to either the wall or MAYBE to the second sons (if he wants to play extra safe but send him a little later)
No hesitation no regrets
Jon would be alot safer there than he would if he’d had silver hair around Robert
If he sends him to the second sons he could send someone with him to protect him
If he sends him to the wall Benjen could be appointed as his ‘guardian’
House Dayne supposedly had white hair
Yes, the video says that.
What if the Jace and his brothers looked Valyrian or at least had their hair change color like Aemma or Rhaenys?
He made one of these I believe
Aemma looked like a Targaryen,which is weird since she was half Arryn who have brown hair,its weird how genetics work in that world.
@@bluewolf_jd7665 she did originally have dark hair, it changed color If I recall.
By Westeros genetics own rules rhaenys looked like a typical Baratheon, they changed established precedent so HoTD could exist
They basically changed Rhaenys hair to make it more clear the children were bastards
He didn’t love her. He’s just mad somebody else got to hit that before he did.
Why do I feel like I watching this in increased speed
Ned isn't that bright. When he wouldn't have the chance to do anything about it, he will rise his sword and gut Robert worse than that boer did and leave to keep his promise to his sister. Of course, this plan requires Howland Reed to stand stealthily behind Robert for it to work.
One thing: I think Ashara Dayne would have been willing to assist Ned in the lie. She may have still died as a result of her shame/grief (if she’s in fact dead at all) but before she did, she’d have admitted to being his mother
What if Rhaenyra took Gwayne Hightower as a Lover instead of Harwin Strong?
What if Lucerys lost his eye *instead* of Aemond?
What if both Lucerys & Aemond died in episode 10?
What if Aemma Arryn last child, Baelon was born a girl that married Aegon-II?
What if Viserys had Aegon II married Rhaenyra *After* Laenor’s death?
What if Rhaenyra was like Jaehaerys The Conciliator?
What if Rhaenyra Targaryen married Borros Baratheon?
What if Viserys-I made Rhaenyra Hand Of The King after Otto’s dismissed/Lyonel’s death?
What if Viserys-I made Rhaenys Hand Of The King after Otto’s dismissed/Lyonel’s death?
What if Viserys-I made Daemon Hand Of The King after Otto’s dismissed/Lyonel’s death?
What if Rhaenyra married Otto after Alicent married Viserys?
Third one would never happen
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Arrax burns Aemond, Vhagar gets angry and kills both Lucerys & Arrax.
What if Little-Finger and Ned were secretly Lovers?
What if, instead of killing his nephew, Aemond only scared him a bit, then flew off.
What if instead of getting off scot-free, Lucerys removed his own eye as recompense for Aemonds.
What if Ashara Dayne is the mother of Jon Snow?
What if Barbrey Dustin is the mother of Jon Snow?
What if Robb is the son of Edmure and Catelyn?
4 out if 5 of Neds biological children looking far more Tully then Stark, and Jon looking pretty much 100% Stark then Targaryean, like Ned got the weak genes of the family, because all of them went to Lyanna.
Not really, Tully traits were stronger than stark ones but stark traits were stronger than targ ones, genetics is kind of a crap shoot
Aside from needing THE BRONZE DRAGON PT 3 it’d be kinda interesting to see what woulda happened if daemon killed rhaenyra on dragonstone is s1 ep2. Like that’d be kinda crazy viserys and daemon goin to war against eachother🤷
What if Ned didn’t kill arthur dayne, like they dog pile him to the ground or something, how he died (in the show) was really stupid dayne could have let just Ned (keep everyone else away) talk to his sister to clear things up and while they’d have to keep it secret he’d be a good ally for the North if he hid there or escaped across the sea to Essos for Danny or even train Jon as he would be bound by oath to protect his princes son
One of the theories is that Jon was letimate and that since Aerys, Rhaegar and Aegon were dead Jon was the king and that is why the Kings' guard fought to the death, their duty is to defend the king from his enemies and Ned was a rebell figthing against the Targaryens
I still don't get why Ned never told Cat the truth about Jon, by the time we get to the main series I get a sense they genuinely love and trust each other and I feel like Cat would be solid in keeping the secret, also it would have given both Jon and Cat less strife between each other.
As you saw Catelyn will do anything to save her children, she would sell Jon out in a heartbeat, it’s her flaw
Aren’t Dayne described as having similar characteristics to the targeryan? Ned Dayne has blue eyes almost can be considered purple, and golden hair that looked white. Jon could have passed as Ashara and Ned’s still.
And Jon would have been more popular as his namesake Snow would fit his appearance. The only problem would be Robert if he recognized Rheghar in Jon, he could have send him to the wall before Robert showed up.
still makes me wonder what direction the show would have gone if Raynes had dark hair as intended in the books. One of her parents was a Baratheon i belive and thats how her hair was dark. i understand they did it to put more claim on the strong boys being bastards.. but common!! the seed is strong in black hair. there for it would have been more accurate if Raynes and at least one of her children had dark hair to.
It's interesting that Robert hates them as a whole so much considering they are his Kin. House Baratheon wouldn't exist without the Targaryens, considering Orys was Aegons half brother. Allegedly of course. Lol
I love your videos!! I hope this advice is taken with the spirit in which it is intended but i would advise you to slow down a liiiiittle bit. I love to listen to your videos but i sometimes can’t tell what you’re saying because you’re talking so fast. Great stuff, man!!
What if (show) Varys found Arya before she left kings landing and trained her as one of his spies instead of going to bravos and becoming a faceless assassin
I’ve always questioned if Robbert would really want to kill Jon, the son of the woman he claimed to love the nephew of his best best friend “chosen” brother. If he found out I could see Ned confronting him saying “are you really going to kill her son the son she died for the son she made me promise to protect, are to going to kill my nephew the boy I love as a son will you do that to us”
Now I know people will say he’s a threat to Robberts throne but we see over and over that he doesn’t really want the throne or care for it nor does he care for his own “son”
Only chance jon would have is to swear he was Ashara Dayne's kid. Even then he'd really stick out
I think the only option put forward here is saying that Jon is Ashara's son. If Ned were willing to send Jon away, he would have done it in the main series. Sending Jon with the Reeds is the safest thing for him, nobody outside of the North gives them any thought, a bastard at Greywater Watch would be of no interest whatsoever to the world at large. He keeps Jon close because he loves him, he's his sister's son and all he has left of her. He wouldn't be willing to lie about Ashara being his mother without the consent of the Daynes, but like you said, he goes there immediately after the Tower, so there's opportunity. And the Daynes aside from Darkstar (who isn't of the main family like Ashara and Arthur, but rather a cadet house) seem cool from what little we've seen, so there's a decent chance they'd be willing to play ball in order to safeguard the child that Arthur died defending, the last surviving son of Rhaegar Targaryen.
Maybe as leader of the wolf's guard Jon could have uncovered and prevented the red wedding, or intervened during it, stopping it, finally winning over Catelyn's trust? - Like imagine the scene where she helds Walder Frey's wife hostage and all seeming lost, but suddenly Jon storms in with 20 guardsmen, saving Robb and his mother ...
Ned could've come up with so many other plausible stories than Jon being Ned's bastard. There's a war going on and Ned could've easily said that he found this baby in the aftermath of a battle and the parents are dead. Honorable Ned couldn't leave the baby, otherwise it would die. Nobody would question that. Especially since it's apparently common knowledge that Ned is honorable and it's a big deal that he cheated on Cat.
Cat's far more likely to buy that Ned found this baby and not be a bitter bitch towards him. He could even embellished the story by say that he saved the baby from being trampled or wild animals.
Cat's attitude towards Jon is so aggravating and completely unnecessary. It's not like bastards are uncommon. Snow, Rivers and Stone are just some of the last names of bastards depending on the area they're born.
What if Ned sent Jon east with Dany and viserys. I know it’s unlikely but with the way viserys turns out to be, there could be plotting to put Jon on the throne over his uncle (viserys was crowned king in the books before leaving dragon stone so Jon wouldn’t be considered the immediate heir)
Well if someone like Huge or Ulf can have silver hair, then Ned could explain that Jon’s mother was a Dragonseed as from connection.
My favourite part about this what if is Jon Snow becoming a kingsguard, I can see Catelyn pushing for this as that would get rid of Jon Snow as a threat to her children since as a Kingsgiard he wouldn’t be allowed to have children.
And if Jon stay at Winterfell, creating Wolfsguard for Robb, is awesome, again Catelyn wouldn’t have to worry if Jon still doesn’t have children if the rules for it is the same.
Another interesting scenario is Jon living with the reeds and meeting Bloodraven, that be an interesting revelation.
But my favourite scenario is the kingsguard or wolfsguard, he definitely counsel Robb on his choices, probably having better time in the WOTFKs.
As Kingsguard, it be awkward with Joffrey as King, if he doesn’t die, he tries to protect Sansa as best as he can.
Thinking about it now, the Wolfsguard is my favourite scenario for Jon Snow in this what if, awesome video. 😎👍❤️
I think if Jon came out white haired and purple eyed, Ned would not have taken him home. He would have fostered him out
Ned: he is my bastard son, but the silver hair is a genetic throwback to the fairy tale of Jacerys Velaryon getting on with the bastard sister of Cregan Stark.
Bobby B: Targaryen enough, kill Jim.
What if Tommen Baratheon/Lannister had a backbone? He still a kind person but also is wrathful like his brother when he needs to be. He isn’t persuaded by Cersei or even Margery (to an extent because that is his wife)
If he looked Valyrian there’s no Jon snow question ended
Nice Video i have toe suggestions for another video. What if helaena married jacerys part 2 and a what if daemon and Mysaria had a child part 2.
John & Ghost Presence litteraly means the red wedding Never happens as the Mountain Never makes it out of the riverlands.
I think Jamie would talk honestly to Jon about how he had to stand by while Aerys mistreated Queen Rhaella if Jon said he wanted to be on the Kingsguard. Jaime would be honest because he wouldn't want Jon to have the disappointment he's had. Jaime would feel that he owes that to the nephew of Arthur Dayne -- to the nephew of the knight that knighted him. A Lannister pays his debts, after all.
But I don't think Jon would listen.
What if Rhaegar married Lyanna instead of Elia?
Ned would shave his head like Aegon V
One thing everyone forgets: Everyone in the show thinks hes Ned Starks bastard, he could just say his mother was lys or something
Or what if Ned’s loyalty to his sister out weighed his loyalty to Robert? What if Ned took Jon back to Winterfell but didn’t lie? Would Robert really risk open war with the Starks because of Jon if Ned was raising Jon to be loyal to Robert’s kingship? It would have made Jon a cousin, Catelyn wouldn’t have hated Jon, Jon would have had a sense of self and Robert certainly COULD declare war on the Starks but is it likely? He knew Ned is loyal and honorable and if Jon had no desire for the throne, he’s certainly a smaller risk than Dany and Viserys. Ned could promise Robert he’d never support Jon in trying to take the throne and Jon has no army without the Starks. If Robert trusted Ned to keep his word (and why wouldn’t he) then Jon potentially could have been raised in the north as Ned’s nephew and Jon has just as small odds as Dany but has Ned swearing Jon will never challenge for the throne.
Ned committed treason by not offering Jon up to be killed though. Bobby B also celebrated what happened to Jon’s half siblings and called what happened to Elia deserved. It’s made clear that Jon’s secret getting out meant Jon’s death was almost inevitable and it was a dangerous truth to everyone who knew. Open war was unlikely but Robert would absolutely had Jon killed, he wasn’t far away he was in Westeros. Bobby B was not the good guy Baratheon stans pretend he was
@@DavidCarradinesBelt I don’t think Robert would have liked it, but short of Ned simply legitimizing Jon(which seems like a logical choice), he could have said he swore to his sister he’d look after and protect him. Robert definitely wouldn’t have liked it and if Ned was going to do anything, legitimizing him would Have been a lot less confrontational with Robert, but he could have done it. It’s possible Robert may have ordered Ned out of being Warden of the North for it but I think Robert’s only option would have been open war or try to have Jon assassinated, or just trusted that Ned would not support any overtures of Jon being king.
You should do a what if king Robert knew about the night king and the white walkers
You should do a full video on him joining the kings guard you could have him join when Ned goes to king’s landing
Ned will have to claim he's Ashara's son, since house Dayne has valerian features
how about a series about "what if Rhaenyra claimed Vermithor"
The Daynes are a First Man adjacent house so despite living in Dorne they would dislike Bastards reasonably
What if idea... what if Rhaenyra went to dragonstone when she got married instead of staying in kings landing? Harwin is the commander of the city watch, he wouldnt go with them, would Rhaenyra and Laenor have trueborn children... would she take another lover... would Daemon come into the picture earlier possibly fathering all 5 of her children...
Would Robert even be able to go through with killing Lyannas child? I can see other people and houses seeing him as a threat that needs to be dealt with, but I'm unsure if Robert would have the stomach for it. Especially considering how much he cared about Lyanna, he would be removing the only part of her left.
Robert celebrated when Jon’s half siblings were killed and didn’t really care about his own children. Why would he care about Lyannas child with his greatest enemy? Lyanna is gone and Robert only cared that he couldn’t have her, not what supposedly happened to her or nothing, Lyanna is only used to justify Robert’s hatred of targaryens and so he can wax philosophical about how much better she would be than Cersei even though he didn’t actually know her as a person. Robert’s ego wouldn’t be able to handle that Lyanna had a child with someone who wasn’t him.
@@DavidCarradinesBelt I disagree with everything you said except for maybe Robert being enraged that Lyanna “betrayed” him. The thought did cross my mind.
If I'm Ned I'm just gonna said it's Brandon's bastard. What is my dead brother gonna do about it lmfaooo. And Jon is a bastard too so not like he gets a claim to the Stark's seat.
Do a video about what if visenya lived
still waiting for that Maegor Royce part 3
seriously... how hard would it have been for HBO to have bought some purple contacts...
too uncomfortable? really? Brent Spiner sends his regards.
They might rather send Jon aka Aegon (in the show) away on a ship with a Targaryan loyalist who loved raeygar, and a crew who can teach him swordplay, religion and culture in Westeros, and strategy in order to reclaim his rightful throne one day….
Now where have I heard that before?…..
God the idea of Jon becoming a kings guard for Robb goes so hard
Young wolf, wolfsguard
White wolf leading them
So good
You completely forgot about Oswell Whent, just cause the show did doesn’t mean you have to
Nah i like his black hair and grey eyes.
Ned could have just said he was Ashara Dayne's son. Or not even said anything at all, people already assume Ned and Ashara hooked up, it wouldn't be much of a stretch for them to assume Jon is her bastard.
I think in the books Lyanna’s child is going to be either Aegon Targaryen or Daenarys
Talk about delusion
Empyrean! Make Part 3 of Rhea and Daemon’s son! And my life, is yours
What if Corlys raised Alyn and Addam as Velaryons?
What is Nedd just bent the truth to Robert and claimed she was dishonoured by her captors and that John was her son and that her dying wish was for Nedd to take care of him. Robert loved Lyanna and I dont think he kill her “bastard” since it’s all that remains of her
Robert didn’t care about Lyanna he was just upset he didn’t get to have her. His ego wouldn’t allow Jon to live because of who his dad was regardless of if it was consensual or not
@@DavidCarradinesBelt Robert had an ego for sure but he did love Lyanna. I think if Nedd was honest about his mother and just lied about who his father was Robert wouldn’t have had him killed. Especially if Nedd kept him as a warden of the North he would have lived
What if when Viserys died. Aegon goes to Dragonstone and bends the knee to Rhaenyra?
Jon being part of the Kings or Wolf Guard is fitting, as he was considered one of the North's best swordsmen.
WHAT IF....
For GoT What if Myrcella survived being poisoned?
For HotD What if Viserys didn't remarry at anyone?
He would be the only one on the wall that looks black.
Okay Here's This What If Idea.
What if Jon Snow is a Ghost Rider in Westeros being the Spirit Of Vengeance, he's power was given by Melisandre or any other Red Priest, to be The Lord of Lights Bounty Hunter. That would've been very badass. Seeing Jon being the Spirit of Vengeance and a Fire Walker.
And having the Penance Stare on all of those who had wronged Jon's Family and himself, imagine giving the Penance Stare to Cersei!?
Bro. Sorry, but you can’t dye an infant’s hair. He came back to his wife with a baby Jon. She had an infant too. Robb and Jon probably shared a wet nurse. On top of all that old nan helped raise all the stark kids.
If jon looked targaryen, Ned would have no option but to send him away. Lord stark was an awful liar! Nobody is giving dark haired john a second glance, but a Targ looking Jon would raise far too many questions
Well this question has two answers to it. One for each Canon.
In Show Canon where RLJ is true then honestly nothing changes until Robert comes to Winterfell, sees Jon, and accuses him of being what he is in Show Canon wherein Jon might get lucky enough to be able to go the Wall if Ned can convince Robert not to kill him. The standard Early Show and Book Canon story precedes apace.
In Book Canon however where the most likely Parents for Jon are Ned Stark and Ashara Dayne if he looked Valyrian all that would happen is it would confirm in Cat and the rest of the Realm’s minds what they already suspected. That his Mother is Ashara Dayne who comes from a non-Valyrian Family who just so happen to share the same features of extreme beauty, Silver Hair, and Purple Eyes. This might force Ned into telling Jon his Mother’s name much earlier which would most likely lead into Jon wanting to contact his Mother’s family. Because Edric grew up with only his Aunt Allyria after his Father died learning of another Family Member would have a high chance of Edric wanting Jon to go to Starfall in Dorne. If they get along it means Jon doesn’t go to The Wall which sends the story in an interesting new direction.
Ashara as his mother wpuld make the most sense, since she supposedly had a child before she threw herself out of the tower. And most knew Ned had his crush on her.
Dayne house is Dornish not gonna hate on bastards
What if Ned and Cat didn't have any children? How would John be treated then?
The fact everyone has fallen for the GRRM red herring of r+l=jon. No babies. There is no possible way jon is lyanna's, based on the timeline. Jon is Ned and Ashara'a, and the only true born stark, if ned in fact married ashara like the small folk say he did, before his brother brandon died.
Why couldn’t Ned claim Jon was aerys or Measter Aemon lol
I think he will after his resurrection most of the resurrected their hair changes white sometimes their eye color changes as well
Can you do what if dany went back in time with her 3 dragons to the dance of the dragons
What if Daenerys was the older sibling and Viserys the younger?
I love the idea behind your content, but something that frustrates me as a viewer is that you never decide on a point you tend to always say this or that could happen and I agree that these things could happen but I want your full take instead of this or that. Your content is always interesting in premise I just wish you decided what to do similar to Pente patrol that does Star Wars what ifs your content would be much better and much more enjoyable that’s just my take thank you for the video and I look forward to watching how your channel continues to grow and improve
This is what I don't get. They say the seed is strong and use ot for proof everywhere else except john doesn't look targaryen. So is the seed strong or not?
Aswell I feel like rob would have sent John north to retake winterfell from Theon meaning no reek ark probably just theons head decorating the walls
This would probably just end exactly how it did for Roderick Cassell in that Ramsay would have turned up with the Bolton's posing as friends only to betray and slaughter them except it would have happened to Jon instead. It's debatable if Ghost would have sensed the betrayal coming and given Jon the same sense. There's a few ways this would have gone down. Either Ramsay or Jon kills the other, or Jon is captured and brought before Theon who would then be faced with the choice to kill Jon himself or spare him as a hostage or simply see the error in his ways and probably die against the Bolton forces. In that scenario we could have had Jon and Theon die fighting together or both become victims to Ramsay's torture.
@@extraplain2412or John gets betrayed n flees to the wall meaning he can still have his lord commander arc n that but also have him with rob n bean for longer
@@jud3_get072 Jon would have no reason to go to the wall though. He would want to return to Robb in the South or he'd be trying to gather men in the North to fight against the Ironborn and the Bolton's if he managed to escape the situation. He would probably go to White Harbour where he would be desperately wanting to send a raven to Robb to inform him that Roose Bolton's bastard had betrayed them meaning Robb would have questioned Roose about this. Roose would throw Ramsay under the bus as a mad dog who disobeyed him and acted alone. The red wedding would probably still happen except Jon would now have the Northern lords rally around him creating a civil war between Jon and Roose which Jon would eventually win.
Yes Caitlin, he is my Son with Ashara let it be
What if the Targaryen dragons recovered after the dance?
What if Aerys was killed at Duskendale?
What if the Boltons sided with the Greens in the Dance of Dragons?
What if Cregan Stark remained in Kings Landing as Aegon III regent?
What if rhaegar targaryen was fostered at the vale with Ned and Robert
They'd hide him at Grey Water Watch
Maegor Royce part 3 when?
What if Viserys stayed with Illyrio Molpatis?
I guess the only reason he looked more northern than Targaryen was because the blood of the dragon was so diminished, physically and magically
That's easy, if he looked valyrian he would have been raised as a Dayne bastard seed from a recent or not that recent Dayne lord.
What makes me think that Ned promised Lyanna to take him to the North cause if that wasn't the case he could have left him in Dorne and Jon would have been happier since bastards are better treated there.
What if daemon and caraxes lived what if the tragedy at summer hall never happened what if dany and young griff married
Daemon II Blackfyre died his hair in the Mystery Knight
Sell him to slaver's bay
part 3 off the what if rhaneys burns the greens!
Tbh I saw the title of this video a couple days ago and I thought it was stupid af. Then… I looked at who made it and I was like “you son of bitch I’m in” 😅
What if Dany and Robert got married
What if maester Aemon realized Jon was raeghars son like say jon has his nose or something and Aemon realized it
Did... did you just say what if Aemon recognised one of Jon's features as belonging to Rhaegar?
1. Aemon took the black before RHAEGAR was born, and I don't believe we're ever told of him going south or Rhaegar heading to the Wall. They appear to only communicate through letters
2. Even if Aemon did meet Rhaegar, he may have started to lose his sight by that point and not be able to reliably remember/recognize him
3. AEMON IS BLIND
I'd think that's odd, since he's a stark.