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The fact that this story could go in a million different directions and still be interesting in every possible scenario is a real testament to how deep and well-written this series is.
@@dfolz1101 I don’t envy his position. HBO arguably ruined his seminal work and now he has to spend extra time making sure they don’t make the same mistakes with HotD. It sucks that we have to wait so long for a new book, but I don’t think his time is wasted.
I don't think any of us can express how thankful we are for the amount of care, hard work, and dedication you put into all of these videos. It feels like a holiday every time I get a notification saying you've uploaded. Truly one of my favorite creators out there. One of the best.
Everyone at 17 : ay cool, one more year and I'm an adult. Jon Snow at 17 : early-life crisis, mid-life crisis, apocalyptic events, zombies, ice demons, dragons, civil war, prophetic dreams, shadow demons, religious conflicts, deaths of half of his family plus friends and lover. Jon : "ah, Monday."
19:42 Jon showing Ghost the pommel and going "Look. It's you." is adorable. Even though it's a fantasy story and Ghost is a wolf, they still get the owner/dog dynamic down.
@@RenfromBespin Very. That is my absolute favorite part about George. Yes, he thinks of these amazing, epic moments that become Emmy-winning episodes but it’s the little things he thinks to add, that place you right inside the scene with your eyes and your heart, that I’m just completely awed by. When other writers would skip to the next scene, he pauses and grounds you.
oh my goodness PLEASE make one on the real Daenerys. I recall a quotes in the books that show her being more down to earth and self aware than her show counterpart was towards the end of the series. She was both kind both kind and cruel. She had a heart for the smallfolk, the weak and the most vulnerable. And, most importantly, she was a young, lonely girl robbed of a stable home, always on the run, and never prepared to rule and hold power over the immense destiny that has befallen her. Reading Daenerys, her story felt heartbreakingly realistic. How many children in even in the modern world struggle from abandonment trauma?
About ravens appearing and saying "Snow". In a Sam pov chapter - after he has returned to Castle Black with Gilly - there's a throw away scene of no import where he's feeding Aemon's ravens, many of which are spanking new ones. We hear Sam commenting that he has been carefully teaching ALL of them to say "Snow". A few chapters later, the election takes place. Sam is much craftier than people give him credit for. He wasn't relying on ONE raven to say Snow. He was arranging for all of them to.
Basically, Sam tried a 10000 IQ move where all the ravens say snow. The one raven he did not teach, the personal raven of Jeor Mormont, is the one who ended up being the pivotal one that landed on Jon and said Snow out lout. This shows that: 1. Sam is smart and crafty enough to aid in Jon's win. 2. There is a supernatural element that helped Jon win the election as well.
Pretty sure Sam says he's teaching the ravens to say snow during the ranging in book 2, like half a year before the election. Plus it was Mormont's raven that came out during the election and Sam seems earnest to me when he says he had nothing to do with it.
Mormont's raven saying it was the special thing. If all the ravens started cawing "snow", people would just reason "Oh, someone taught all the ravens to say 'snow'.". It would work more as a form of open (moral) support than trying to evoke a magical moment. Still a great idea from Sam.
It’s actually really easy to make these subtitles! All you have to do is feed your script to UA-cam, and it’ll make it all on its own. I’m sure ASX went over and reviewed it all to make sure it lines up, but it’s really not as tricky as you may think!
@@EvolvedDinosaurpunctuation, grammar, correct spelling of character names, plus all the things that would be confused for other words because of his accent... Most of his content is scripted so it makes sense for his captions to be so good but let's not pretend that it's very easy to edit a 2 hours worth of subtitles.
kinda unrelated but i really admire that you put the name of each artists with their fanarts. I'm sure it takes a lot of effort and it does not go unnoticed!
I’m 1 second in and just want to say I’m amazed and so so happy this video ended up over 2 hours long. We’ve missed you, Shifty. Thanks for everything you do.
really, why? Jon's thought you refer to, struck me as a bit of sweet nostalgia for Jon. Those moments in the cave with Ygritte, are probably the only moments of true happiness Jon has ever known in his entire young life. And obviously Jon knows they could literally not stay there forever as they need food of course, so he's clearly just imagining, before he is forced to put it aside by the cold hard reality of his life.
@@robertmaybeth3434it feels like similar of the story of Merlin death, Merlin pursued love of a woman who did not love him and that path led him to being trapped in a cave forever, and Merlin knew this would happen yet stayed his course. While Jon tried to not love Ygritte yet he ended up failing, but he knew that he’d have to return to the watch but he’d have to leave Ygritte behind. So for him to end up in the cave after choosing duty over love, feels so twisted but also appropriate, trapped in the only place he’s ever known love. Brutal but I love it
While Jon has known happiness with the Wildlings, he is still very young and his time north of the wall (relatively speaking) was like good times he had at college. They are good times, and he will look back fondly, but I think he knows that he wouldn't be happy living with the wildlings in the long term. Of course it does appeal to him to be more equal, since he has such a chip on his shoulder, but equally just being "another dude" is not going to satisfy him. He is just not that kind of guy.
@@lostalone9320 but he's unlikely to be 'just another dude' with the wildlings either. They still have authority & respect among themselves - but through recognition of what they've done & what they're capable of, not how they were born. With or without Blood Raven pulling the strings, Jon has shown pretty definitively that he can earn respect & hold authority.
that would be a interesting ending to a dream of spring for Jon, after coming back to life, defeating Ramsey, fighting the white walkers, fighting Aegon and Daenarys in all likelihood, and with winter over and peace restored, he realises there is no place for him left and the magic that resurrected him is fading, so he goes back north to the cave, and lies down there in the hot water, where he had happiness with Ygritte even if brief, and dies dreaming of something, maybe dreaming of seeing all his family again or Ygritte teasing him about getting going.
It's amazing to think that even just Jon's story could be an entire book series in itself. It staggers me to consider how George wrote all these intertwined, indepth stories of ASOIAF.
That’s one of the few things I like about the show more than the books. Each season 1-6 is around a yearish, which seems more realistic than the entire story happening in a couple months
The purpose isn't to highlight human artwork, but to create a real depiction from book description. Note where there is art available the artists are noted. @@alvaroprieto2092
@@alvaroprieto2092If you can't tell the difference between something made by a robot or something made by a person does it really matter how it was made? Just enjoy the artwork.
12:42 "Jon has several emotional tantrums in the books. Like other Targaryens, Jon has a temper." I love digging deep and I do think that Jon is a Targaryen, but I think this particular trait can be explained by Jon being 14.
The same happened to me when I was 17😂 with the difference I still had feelings for my ex gf and rejected the redhead. Today I know how dvmb that was...
@@catinho9705 😅😂trust me, maybe it's better like that. All my depressions and that one time I was losing weight in a short time were caused by women. I rejected the girl with the red hair when she had the biggest crush on me, some years later I had a friendship with benefits with her, I began to develop feelings so I wanted to go separated ways for few weeks or months, but she couldn't accept that and wanted us to date. When I said no she argued and argued and argued, so I was ok with giving her a real chance and I really began to love her - all that just for her telling me one day completely random she has no feeling anymores and one week later she tells me she was in bed with a guy she just met that day
We need a whole serie about the real *insert character*. You have captivating way of describing this, and I sure would watch those again, and again, thank so much for all the effort and time !
I'm such a sucker for correcting faulty depictions, so entire video essays dedicated to just that (filled with accurate art or edits) is so unbelievably far up my alley lol
@@benjaminf8526underrated ? U mean the same tired complaint people have been making since the last season of the show ??? Like yea it’s a legit criticism but come on people who have no idea what they’re talking abt rly latched onto this “subverting expectation” thing cuz it sorta kinda makes them sound like they kno what they’re talking abt. Same thing happened w Star Wars lol a bunch of people who have never worked in the industry moaning and whining abt things that are legitimate issues but having no clue what actually goes into the whole process. Big Reddit energy coming from ur comment dude
Blue eyes from the resurrection of the old gods, red from the god of fire, combinging to give john purple eyes, blue flashed by fire and settling to the colour of house Targaryen. John is meant to be some weird combination of old vs new so pretty much anything is on the table at the moment
The only winner here was Kit Harrinton. He got a redhead, 2 children, became rich and popular despite the ending of GoT and he donates to charity just like Emilia Clark. Just a great guy overall.
@@owlsayssouththe man’s 75. He’s not finishing the books. The rest of the books will be left in the hand of the fans. Which maybe isn’t a bad thing because George said season 7 and 8 were really good
And If both the Blackfyre Theory and R+L=J are canonised in the next book, I can see them having an Optimus Prime - Megatron type of dynamic, maybe I can see resurrected Jon helping fAegon with the 6th Blackfyre Rebellion, turning YG's invasion into a Robert's Rebellion 2.0!
@@PedroLucas-mg5je no, they say the next book is the dance of dragons 2.0 (literally the last book name 😂) Aegon Griff Daenerys With the 7 realms all supporting different Targaryens maybe we got 3 armies or just 2 and Jon against the White Walkers
well - almost nothing made sense towards the end of the show so it's unfortunately just another dumb moment for the pile let's just hope George just finishes the damn books at some point because being left hanging rather than a sub-par conclusion is almost as bad, but for different reasons
I disagree, the lord of light had a plan, and has been prepping her for that very moment. You guys just love jon snow, but unfortunately, its not all about him
@@maticbeskovnik3380the white walkers dont fight straight up, that’s probably why they lost previously, they are extremely fragile against certain weapons, the wights are their best weapon (numbers and resurrection), they dont have strategy, there isn’t any politicking, a season of them fighting a zombie horde doesnt seem to appetizing to me, IMO, i think the long night was a very dope episode
Man this comment is probably gonna be lost in the thousands that are here. But I just wanted to say thank you for all the hard work you put into all these videos. The amount of research and reading that you have obviously put into making a video is awesome. I always look forward to when you post anything. Just wanted to say your channel is fucking awesome and you're dope. Thanks!
+1 Man is quality machine, not only he makes hours long deep dives into theories, differences between books and tv show and scour every page to find some obscure character saying one sentence to make theories more believable. Even though most of them are stupid (Watch Alt Schwift X 7 hour video called "Ultimate ASOIAF Theory Iceberg" where he summarizes theories and hints about them being true/completely false done LIVE FROM HIS BIG HEAD). The only content I don't watch is from House of the Dragon because I don't want any spoilers but I don't have time to watch it and I'm afraid that it's bad and it will ruin GoT's magic for me.
Yeah alt shift x ASOIAF lore videos are incredible and the amount of effort and dedication put into them really shows in their quality. One of the best YT channels
Jon often thinks about how he has wanted to be Lord Stark for a long time, and each time he would feel that desire, he would immediately feel terribly guilty about it, because the only way he could ever inherit is if all 5 of his siblings died and he sincerely loves all of them (even Sansa)
And I think he'll become Lord of Winterfell and usurping his siblings/cousins in the next books (shall he be resurrected), not out of greed and power AND not just to unite everyone in the North against the Others, but because he don't want the North to start a "Dance of the Dragons" type of conflict with his remaining family!
@@sunbleachedangel sorry, I was mistaken. I thought it was an adaptation of A Song of Ice and Fire, but it turns out Bluey has nothing to do with the books.
I’ll die on this hill. Conflating the three eyed crow and Bloodraven as the same entity is the same mistake bran is making that will eventually dearly cost him. We have zero evidence to support them being the same entity and have significant evidence to support the fact that Bloodraven himself is wholly unfamiliar with the three eyed crow. George makes a point of symbolically separating ravens from crows. Ravens represent knowledge and wisdom. Information. Crows represent death, decay, and rot. Bloodraven only inhabits ravens (amongst other creatures) but never EVER crows. Making the assumption that what awoke brans power and who called him beyond the wall are the same thing i believe is a dangerous assumption to make. There are no weirwoods on old wyck and yet Euron was visited by the crow.
It is striking that when Bran finally meets Bloodraven, Bran says to Bloodraven; "You are who I've been looking for, The Three Eyed Crow!" And Bloodraven just looks down at Bran like: "A... Crow..?" Like he has NO CLUE what Bran is talking about.
@@JacobGrim could be an avatar of the old gods. I’ve also heard it could be that future bran is the three eyed crow and he ouroboros style ALWAYS awoke his own powers so that he could eventually awake his own powers. So on and so forth. I personally don’t know but I’m strongly of the opinion George has given us enough to be suspicious of the fact that the tree wizard has no idea what bran means when he asks if he’s the magical three eyed crow entity that visited him in his dreams. George likes doing this. Conflating two similar things as the same thing to the detriment of the characters and the audience.
@@Prince_Luci Bloodraven tried to recruit Euron and Euron went rogue as the Three Eyed Crow. Euron's use of Sweet Sleep might allow him to telepathically access this sort of dream realm where he can influence the dreams of Wargs/Greenseers.
That art you used for Jon, the one you used the most, that is such a captivating portrayal of him. That is what I envision when I think of Jon Snow now.
I always caught myself thinking: have this motherfucker thinked all that from the first book? The targaryens, all the past characters, the stories it all fits so well.
I like how GRRM has libraries worth of lore and stories that are just random background that are nonchalantly brought up in casual conversations in the book.
@@shaunsmith9013 from what i heard he really didn't do much for elden ring, it came across more as PR hype ngl, but if you know different I'd be interested in learning
from what i understand thats largely correct. hes responsible for creating the names and structure of queen marika's lineage and didnt have any part regarding the details of the actual lore of the game @@Caesar-o8s
@@Caesar-o8s He apparently made all of the context, the Greater Will, the demi-god family tree etc, up until Marika shattered the elden ring, then fromsoft took the world he created and did their post-apocolyptic magic with it
@@バナナがたくさん Right?! Ned loses it at people all the time. Catelyn even says “his anger was on him” and that she has never seen him “that angry” which means she has seen him angry more than once to be able to compare? And in his inner monologue he definitelly gets angry all the time. IDK if this is the influence of the show, like people saying how him and Jon have no personality, but theirs are some of my favourite jokes in the books
Ned's 'Quiet Wolf' moniker isn't people saying he's passive and doesn't get mad. It's them saying he doesn't go carousing and openly raging like other lords do. He definitely still has a temper.
Dude honestly, thank you for staying with this series despite how hard it can be as a book fan these days. I became a new fan and read the whole series in one go after season 2 of the show in 2012/2013, and thought for sure Winds would be out in a matter of years at most. Since then, book nuances were overwritten in my mind with show-canon, and now almost 6 years after the finale, I’ve been left wondering why I even liked the series in the first place. This video just reminded me why I was so sucked into the world and characters, and so thanks for re-kindling my interest and hope that we might get some closure from George.
Absolutely agree with you on the point that show has overwritten all the nuances of the books. "Things just happens cause the writer wanted it to happen" nature of the later seasons is the only thing I remember. I am due a reread long time now. If only winds will be announced. Would be a joyous reread
@@anomanderrake5434I think the show is a great entry, the books are an amazing in depth look for people who want more. And you’ll end up liking it more than the show 100% that’s how it went for me
You liked the show becuase first three seasons are actually decent, regardless how close or not they derive from the original. This show that I too regretably watched to the end prevented me from doing the same with netflix Witcher. I watched first season that was great and didnt bother with the rest seeing how south they went.
Bella Bergolts drawing of Jon Snow is honestly so amazing. I honestly didn't have a picture of Jon properly in my head but this really helps me put a face to the name. I'd love to see more ASOIAF illustrations if they have any.
Imagine being Kit Harrington. Getting told he gets to play Jon Snow, probably reading the books to understand the character. Learning all the delicate nuances of the character and who he was. How fascinating, and human he was. Then getting told to just say "I don't want it" for five seasons. Imagine how disappointing that must have been. How hard it must have been to keep coming to work
I don't think he really cared. He always backed d and d up saying that everyone who criticize them is a hater. I'm can imagine that he doesn' t give a shit about the books.
@khswag3632 right right, I'm sure he wasn't just gritting his teeth and saying what he had to so he could keep his multi-million dollar paycheck. I'm sure that had nothing to do with it
I feel bad for Barristam Selmy’s actor. He read the books, knew them well. And he was told he was gonna get killed off in a fucking stupid way. He wrote a letter to DnD saying they should change it because it doesn’t fucking make sense and it sucks. But that made them want to kill Barristan even more
@@dawnatkinson7704 Also started to dislike Sansa after season 5, which is a shame because I like her in the books-keep in mind she is not shrieking selfish advice at Jon in the books. It never made sense in the show that Jon was making such catastrophically bad decisions during the battle of the bastards and that it almost led to his defeat while Sansa, brillant nascent politician that she is, swooops in and saves her bumbling brother with the Knights of the Vale. So wrong and so infuriating. When Stannis followed book Jon's tactical advice, he was winning battles and expanding his army.
I’m currently rereading A Dance with Dragons, and it’s increased my appreciation for Jon tenfold. Thank you for making a video honoring this great character who is often misperceived because of the show. Now I need to make a 2 hour video on the superior Jon, Jon Connington.
That direwolf scene in the show is what got me in the first place. And Jon says, "Lord Stark" when he is addressing Ned in that direwolf speech. He knows what he's doing.
Don’t forget that “The White Wolf” is a direct reference to Elric of Melnibone, an Albino King with a magic sword. So that actually hints how Jon might have white hair, red eye and a magic fire sword.
The theory I always liked was one involving Jon's actual body being burnt. Some First Nations legends hold that shapeshifters were the result of men who could "spirit walk", but their bodies die and their spirits get stuck in animals. Their animal bodies can't speak, and some strong emotion causes them to revert to human form. In that case, Jon would have white hair and red eyes.
As someone who’s never read the books. Watching House of the dragon and watching this is solidifying my want to read this series. The books seem more magical than the show and more interesting character wise.
Actually awesome video. The Azor Ahai criticism at the end was top notch. After discussing for so long how John is definitely set up to be Azor Ahai, and how making peace with the white walkers isn’t worth doing, you also turn around and say, “but who would want to follow in the foot steps of a man who murdered his wife for a magic sword?” Which like, damn, when you put it that way, I think the Azor Ahai prophecy is more of a curse than some sort of blessing. It’s not saying “you will be a great hero” it’s saying “you will find the power you need by sacrificing others.”
That is a genuinely interesting idea. So much the fandom discussed the prophecy as something needed and ultimately good, when if looked upon from another perspective, the flaws of it are just as evident
Azor Ahai being a villain is one of LmL's core theories (which ASX mentions in the video) The idea is that Azor Ahai, Night's King and the Bloodstone Emperor are all stories about the same character.
My prediction is that Lady Stoneheart will go to the wall looking for Arya, she did capture Breane who was heading north looking for he daughters. She will find a dead Jon but no Arya and decide Jon is her best hope at saving her children. She will pass her life to Jon the same way Baric did for her. It's a bit of a redemption for Katlyn for how she's treated Jon. And also Lady Stoneheart fits for stone giving birth to a dragon.
My guess is that GRRM is seeing these videos and reading all these comments and getting so many good ideas that the next book is going to be huuuuge, probably going to be splitted in many parts... ah no it's just me dreaming, of course there is no next book coming, not in this life at least
Man, I really hope he finishes the stories now. I want to see what becomes of Jon. Great video, super detailed and eye opening on the differences between the books and show.
All I can think about this whole video when you put it all together is how young Jon is, it’s just so heartbreaking the weight on his shoulders. Especially with how schwift uses the book accurate photo the whole time.
I actually assume Jon will get a BETTER grip on his anger. First: Ghost is actually very controlled. Second, in the poem a song of ice and fire puts ice as coldness, apathy. So it might be a nice counterpoint if he became "colder"
@@warlordofbritannia and both will be offered a chance to correct their course before it's to late... I kinda hope Jon's saving grace will be Arya (if that so desperately wished for hair mussing doesn't happen i'll be pissed) For Dany it might be ser Barristan Selmy, but i think not..
@@saraa.4295 The Walkers are the ultimate menace, the true final challenge. I can see Jon ditching Dany in order to return to the War for the Dawn. Thus he fulfills his duty but at the cost of his last chance at personal happiness; meanwhile, bereft of his support, Dany’s rule crumbles as she’s forced to more and more oppressive actions.
@@warlordofbritannia i don't think the walkers are the final menace, just part of it ( i guess it will end with a pact, or a deal with the children. My idea is, the wall was originally built to keep humans out, but over millennia, too many fled north for freedom, so now the numbers are too grand and the pact is broken.) But i could see a way how jon might be a last chance for dany. Maybe he will try to persuade her to just let aegon rule, especially if he is a good king. He and dany could live happy as prince and princess, help put the realm to peace and rebuild the Targaryens...but she will reject that idea... So the threat of fire, of passion, desire for power (and dragons) will, in my opinion be the final menace
@@saraa.4295 Good point. The real menace is the human heart in conflict with itself; I should have said the external threat that brings forth the only thing truly worth writing about is the Others.
If Ghost has to die for Jon to get back to his body, it would not only make sense for him to be able to then bond to a dragon, but also narratively it would be fitting as him killing his Stark side and embracing his Targaryen side.
@K.a.t.-it1psI know right? I think this is one thing that they did right with the character in the show, by giving him the choice to renounce his targaryen origin. Jon is still barely 17 in the books, for him to be defined as a targaryen feels.. fitting in the books' lore but not in his arc, he wants to prove himself, to belong someplace deep down, to be more than a lowborn bastard. Jon's journey is similar to Sandor or the Elder Brother in a Feast For Crows in a way; They die, and they rebirth, and what comes out can be better(most likely) or worse.
“Jon isn’t a great warrior” is a good line to differentiate the intellectual nature of Book-Jon vs Show-Jon but it’s not 100% true. GRRM goes to some lengths to make it clear that Jon’s a talented, well trained young fighter but relatively green (not unlike Rhaegar) and still a teenager. It’s made very clear in ADWD that Mance Rayder is an exceptionally impressive warrior (he defeated the True North’s best warriors to become King, beating Styr four times while managing not to kill him), whom Jon held his own against despite getting the worse of it and then remarks the necessity of such learning experiences in training. So, yes, Jon is not a great warrior……. Not yet anyway
@@hogndog2339I believe the point he is making is that by the point the books and shows more or less meet, they show John in the show as this beast of a warrior way too early on, whilst in the books he is well trained, a little green but with great potential which he is not there yet
Gotta put respect on Jon’s name as a warrior. We were shown in dance that he’s strong enough to rip a spear out of the ground that took 3 or 4 grown men to take. His fight with mance/rattleshirt ended with him wrestling on the ground. It’s a lot closer than anyone remembers. And mance became king by defeating countless opponents while Jon has half the experience. Jon doesn’t fight at the front lines because he’s a bad warrior it’s because that’s stupid. A giant died, and Robb doesn’t go into a fight without a bodyguard group.
all that was meant is that the books arent the kind of story where you go on the battlefield and start chopping people up left and right just because youre an important character and theyre not (unless youre top tier like Arthur Dayne, Jaime Lannister, Barristan Selmy). If Jon went on the frontlines in battle, he would kill a couple people and then die, in all likelihood
@@zoid_on_youtube Shift said Jon was not a warrior two or three times. The comments were made about Jon's apparent lack of skill and I'm saying he is skilled. I just got done watching a two hour video of his its the lightest of light criticism. Shift talked about Jon's training being what turns him into a warrior when thats jon just wanting to fight cause he likes it and thinks he needs to get better. If it was about how the world wasn't made for one man to single-handedly kill 20 people id agree.
@@brianlowe904 I think he means Jon is not a "great warrior", which is true, and I think he meant it in the context of comparing him to TV Jon specifically. he doesnt have the amount of experience or on-page accomplishments to claim to be a particularly great warrior. we know he is well-trained and at least reasonably skilled for someone without much experience, but there arent any grounds to claim anything beyond that.
@@baselhills865 The show was good for as long as there was content to adapt from the source material. In a sense GRRM is also responsible for the final season.
@@BionickpunkGRRM is to blame to an extent, but to say the show was good as long as it had material is just false. S5 and 6 decided to go in their own, completely different (and bad) direction when they had two whole, unadapted books (AFFC/ADWD)
@@obi-wankenobi7725 If I recall correctly its with Season 5 when the start deviating from the source material a lot and when the dumbed down dialogue started. And yes, 6 was also derailing it.
I use no hyperbole when I say that Alt Shift X is one of, if not the best channel out there. The quality of your videos is incredible and I can't imagine how much work went into a 2+ hour monster like this one. Thank you for all the amazing content over the years!
These real characters series are so well made. Thanks Alt shift and its team to deliver such a quality contect. Please do the next one on Arya Stark or Daenerys.
Book Jon: Bowen Marsh sighed. "If they do not slay us with their swords, they will do so with their mouths. Pray, how does the lord commander propose to feed Tormund and his thousands?" Jon had anticipated that question. "Through Eastwatch. We will bring in food by ship, as much as might be required. From the riverlands and the stormlands and the Vale of Arryn, from Dorne and the Reach, across the narrow sea from the Free Cities." "And this food will be paid for ….. how, if I may ask?" With gold, from the Iron Bank of Braavos, Jon might have replied. Instead he said, "I have agreed that the free folk may keep their furs and pelts. They will need those for warmth when winter comes. All other wealth they must surrender. Gold and silver, amber, gemstones, carvings, anything of value. We will ship it all across the narrow sea to be sold in the Free Cities." Show Jon to Bowen Marsh: I f*d us up, my lord. I borrowed gold… I don’t want it…
Kit got away with the redhead, some beautiful kids, critical success and a blooming career that survived the show's ending. I think he'll be alright ;p
@@austin4855no. You don’t understand. He has publicly stated, and I quote, “Sometimes I wake in the night, a cold sweat welcoming the cool air as I shiver.. I feel the book Jon Snow looking down on me with animosity. My life feels empty without Jon Snow. I still dress up as him in my home. I still yearn for the North.”
I'm sorry. These books will never come out. The guy has been working on Winds of Winter for over a decade. No closer to finishing that he was 10 years ago. He is too afraid of his reputation being destroyed if he messes it up. If he wanted to release them, he would.
That's what I argued just before the final episode. So I was happy that he went north, but I wanted them to show him going back to that cave. Maybe with Val in the books?
Arya is always told she looks like Lyanna and Arya is the only sibling who looks like Jon. So, Jon looks like Lyanna too. Hmm, what could that mean? I remember my coworker got me to read the first book in the series and asked her if Lyanna is his mother. It was never a mystery for me. It just made sense with everything that was said surrounding Lyanna's death and her pleading "Promise me Ned", Arya's resemblance to Lyanna and Jon, Ned's reputation being so pristine that it never made sense that he would be unfaithful to his wife,, and the list goes on. I just wish Ned had told his wife because the way she treated Jon made me hold a bit of dislike for her.
@@SpiralSine6 i know but i learned about it's existence with his community post and was like "oh boy, i've been searching up for years now every theory of what will become of Jon Snow after his death in ADWD and now THE ALT SHIFT X is uploading the longest video of his channel and it's about it? I'll start counting the minutes until it's done" and it finally is
To make up for the mistakes they made in season 8 and the character assassination of Jon snow. They should make a Game of Thrones movie trilogy about Jon.
I know GOT absolutely butchered every single character of ASOIAF but the annihilation of Jon Snow hurts me on a personal level. I HATED how they tried to show him as this honorable fool when Jon is SO much more than that. Arguably the most wise person in the book says this about Jon "You mind is as deft as your sword, it would seem." And the only thing people can remember about him is 'You know nothing' or 'I dun wan it'. Jon could've been and should've been one of THE greatest fictional character ever. But hey....props to D&D for making the most essential person in the story, the most useless one. Fucking Pathetic.
@@Miuranger1there comes a point where a character can't be better written and imo several ASOIAF characters fit that bill. Maybe most of them? Certainly the main POVs
what the show was going for was Jon just becoming Ned 2.0, which is an uninspired idea, but not terrible for the standards of a TV writer having to fill in the blanks after running out of book material. The problem is they didnt even execute that relatively simple idea correctly. Even Ned lied, even Ned had internal dilemmas about what the right thing to do was. Jon being someone who "doesnt know how to lie" and is always stubbornly resolute on what the right thing is, its almost like they were butchering two characters at once with that.
How crazy would it have been if the show had both Jon and Arya fighting the Night King at the same time. Sword fight. In the end Jon killing him Would’ve been nuts
How dare you remind me that I used to genuinely enjoy this series. Awesome video, can't wait to never finish reading the books and remembering that the show completely failed to stick the landing
the ending in the show was pretty good in theory, the execution was ass. From a feast for crows we see how brutal war is and how anti war grrm is. It doesnt make sense that he would show the brutality of the War of the Five Kings and then glorify Dany's conquest and acsension as the 'rightful' heir. if they hsd just tied up loose ends and not made the long night into an episode long joke, plus avoided all the retardation from s7 and s6, i believe the ending wouldve been pretty good
@Name.exeNotFound-pu1qt The show ending would have been perfectly fine if the characters weren't all brain dead and outlined their reasoning. LF definitely gets out of his element in the North and Sansa flips the table on him. Bran as omniscient tree king works. Dany gets ruthless. Dany can totally justify being a tyrant at this point. When she returns from being lost in the dothraki sea, she has to confront the disease, starvation, and general devastation her leadership style caused. Maybe its because I just reread the last two together, but there's a lot of political talk between the two about having to be ruthless to curb suffering.
Also as a hard of hearing and partially deaf viewer, thank you for making this with subtitles. I watched most of this on the train after work (I missed my stop twice cause I was glued to my screen) and my hearing aids were hurting my ears. I feels nice to be able to read your beautiful words and thoughts!💖
Jon meeting the Halfhand and going on that mission is maybe my favorite part of the story. It's simultaneously tense and slower than one would imagine. The tactics and chess game they play with the wildling pursuers are awesome.
Oh definitely! And the constant is your sword sharp thing (if I’m remembering correctly) was so ominous. But that journey and each guy being left behind was gut wrenching. Like as soon as that eagle is spotted half hand knows. And when he demands for Jon to tell him his dreams. Excellent writing. Like first time I read was like eh. But on rereads it’s so tense and tragic.
... that that have any logical consistency whatsoever. all you did was take that quote completely out of context and apply it to a terribly written idea from the tv show.
All Shift X single-handedly prolonging the release of WOW by nailing significant plot points and making GRRM contemplate pivoting... This content was so well put together, thoughtful and engaging. Can't wait for more!
One thing that always bothered me about the show is that Cersei and Tommen pretty much just completely ignore the fact that the boltons were defeated and the north is declaring independence again
That's part of the problem, the story was moving at a breakneck speed long before s8. Recall in earlier seasons, they had whole episodes pretty much reacting to characters' deaths like Robb and Ned In season 6, kingdoms and massive battles and major houses are destroyed and restored without so much as a comment from others
Jon has always been my favorite character in the series not only because he’s cool but I can relate to his struggles. I’m half Chinese and half Japanese, the Chinese hates Japanese and most Japanese don’t like Chinese, I can’t fit in with either culture, no one want to accept me and my siblings as theirs, my family constantly fight, I can barely see any of my cousins because of this. Either I give up being a Chinese or Japanese to see my cousins. I choose to not be in that conflict and I just American wash myself tbh
Similar. Im a bastard and grew up in an area where everyone had a conventional family and married parents. And grew up feeling like a outcast and different . Also I'm a John too lol
sounds like you're pretty much the classic american, child of ancestral people that have hated each other for millennia because of (dumb) reasons. i'm french/german, trust me when i say i get it. i'm pretty much yank through and through and avoid all of that nonsense entirely. there's a reason europeans, before NATO/US permanent intervention, murdered each other at horrible scale literally every century forever until 1945.
May I ask which generation you are? Is it still common nowadays? My aunt (Chinese) married a Japanese man in the 80s and got disowned by her family. But today they all get along fine
I understand you, my father is german my mother is black brazilian, im too white and strange for my moms family and too black and strange to my fathers family. I fit nowhere. Jon is my favorite character too
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Need the Dune part two video fr
Thanks for uploading it finally
Yay! I really enjoyed this one. Setting my alarm clock to 01:00 am. I'll have my coffee ready to stay awake.
Have you seen Dune part 2 yet?
Love your content 😊😊😊
“The show removes the magic from Jons story” That is true in more ways than one.
Well, Dumb and Dumber weren't exactly fans of magic, so I really don't know what they were doing adapting this series in the first place.
Guys we are done bashing the show
@@thnkr-jl7hw*YOU* might be done bashing the show...
@@thnkr-jl7hwwho's we?
@@thnkr-jl7hwWe’re done when I say we’re done.
The fact that this story could go in a million different directions and still be interesting in every possible scenario is a real testament to how deep and well-written this series is.
Be a lot cooler if the writer would bother to finish the series
More like 3 ways for every choice
And the TV made the 4 choice the boring one
@@dfolz1101 I don’t envy his position. HBO arguably ruined his seminal work and now he has to spend extra time making sure they don’t make the same mistakes with HotD.
It sucks that we have to wait so long for a new book, but I don’t think his time is wasted.
@samuraispartan7000 8 years ago GRRM said he was months away from finishing winds. Its been 14 years man you can't keep making excuses.
@@samuraispartan7000Nah man he was stuck even before HBO came out. Martin's strength has never really been tying things together anyway.
I don't think any of us can express how thankful we are for the amount of care, hard work, and dedication you put into all of these videos. It feels like a holiday every time I get a notification saying you've uploaded. Truly one of my favorite creators out there. One of the best.
100%
Who are your other favorities, becaise it appears you have good taste
Hard agree
Better than that alt schwift x guy
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Everyone at 17 : ay cool, one more year and I'm an adult.
Jon Snow at 17 : early-life crisis, mid-life crisis, apocalyptic events, zombies, ice demons, dragons, civil war, prophetic dreams, shadow demons, religious conflicts, deaths of half of his family plus friends and lover.
Jon : "ah, Monday."
Ahhh shieeet... 💀
Ramsay: Looks like somebody's got a case of the mondays.
“Ah moonday”
Jon: “I neva wanted et”
Jon in the books has been through enough conflicts for several lifetimes, it’s wild
19:42 Jon showing Ghost the pommel and going "Look. It's you." is adorable. Even though it's a fantasy story and Ghost is a wolf, they still get the owner/dog dynamic down.
ghost might be 6 foot tall human devouring direwolf, but hes still good boi
It's such a meaningless but also meaningful moment. Because it adds to Jon's character and his relationship with Ghost.
a cool moment, very good writing
@@RenfromBespin Very. That is my absolute favorite part about George. Yes, he thinks of these amazing, epic moments that become Emmy-winning episodes but it’s the little things he thinks to add, that place you right inside the scene with your eyes and your heart, that I’m just completely awed by. When other writers would skip to the next scene, he pauses and grounds you.
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"In the book, Tycho has a big purple hat."
Perfiddious Schwift has infiltrated the script
Almost sounds like a glidus line
What a fucking flex. Wonder how many Essosi snails died for the dye required. Straight Byzantine shit.
@@herbertschulz4313Both Alt Shift and Alt Shwift are just time traveling and skin changing Glidus. The Omni-Glibussy.
@@HOTD108_But do they share the same body, or is it one soul gliding between different hosts as in the Glid-on theory?
That's why they call him Big Hat Tycho
Show Jon: I don't want it!
Book Jon: I really want it!
John Adams: I have it, and I hate it!
Not completely want it, but more it's my duty now.
No, he fuckin WANTS it. Being the Lord of Winterfell is his single greatest desire.@@stevem2323
She IS ma Quin
Book Jon: im the King im the song of ice and fire
@Morfe02 " the king of a song of ice and fire" goofy ahh 💀, do you even know what the ice and fire are in ASOIAF?
oh my goodness PLEASE make one on the real Daenerys. I recall a quotes in the books that show her being more down to earth and self aware than her show counterpart was towards the end of the series. She was both kind both kind and cruel. She had a heart for the smallfolk, the weak and the most vulnerable. And, most importantly, she was a young, lonely girl robbed of a stable home, always on the run, and never prepared to rule and hold power over the immense destiny that has befallen her. Reading Daenerys, her story felt heartbreakingly realistic. How many children in even in the modern world struggle from abandonment trauma?
About ravens appearing and saying "Snow".
In a Sam pov chapter - after he has returned to Castle Black with Gilly - there's a throw away scene of no import where he's feeding Aemon's ravens, many of which are spanking new ones. We hear Sam commenting that he has been carefully teaching ALL of them to say "Snow". A few chapters later, the election takes place.
Sam is much craftier than people give him credit for. He wasn't relying on ONE raven to say Snow. He was arranging for all of them to.
Wasn't it Mormonts raven, though? It knew more words than all the others
Its been a while but iirc he had nothing to do with the Mormont's raven
Basically, Sam tried a 10000 IQ move where all the ravens say snow. The one raven he did not teach, the personal raven of Jeor Mormont, is the one who ended up being the pivotal one that landed on Jon and said Snow out lout.
This shows that:
1. Sam is smart and crafty enough to aid in Jon's win.
2. There is a supernatural element that helped Jon win the election as well.
Pretty sure Sam says he's teaching the ravens to say snow during the ranging in book 2, like half a year before the election. Plus it was Mormont's raven that came out during the election and Sam seems earnest to me when he says he had nothing to do with it.
Mormont's raven saying it was the special thing.
If all the ravens started cawing "snow", people would just reason "Oh, someone taught all the ravens to say 'snow'.".
It would work more as a form of open (moral) support than trying to evoke a magical moment.
Still a great idea from Sam.
"Just when I thought I was out, ASX pulls me back in". - Michael Corleone...probably
@@narxesyou beat me to it
cmon, i been gone a long time. lemme hear it!
@narxes it was definitely Michael Corleone in Godfather 3
He actually said that
Exactly what "The Real Tyrion Lannister" did to me.
A 2hour video with subtitles ???
That's incredible. Thank you so much for making it accessible
It’s actually really easy to make these subtitles! All you have to do is feed your script to UA-cam, and it’ll make it all on its own. I’m sure ASX went over and reviewed it all to make sure it lines up, but it’s really not as tricky as you may think!
took him 5 months
"babe wake up"
That's still a lot of work to go through subs for a 2hrs video. And many youtubers don't even try 😢 @@EvolvedDinosaur
@@EvolvedDinosaurpunctuation, grammar, correct spelling of character names, plus all the things that would be confused for other words because of his accent... Most of his content is scripted so it makes sense for his captions to be so good but let's not pretend that it's very easy to edit a 2 hours worth of subtitles.
kinda unrelated but i really admire that you put the name of each artists with their fanarts. I'm sure it takes a lot of effort and it does not go unnoticed!
I was just thinking that. This man is top tier.
I’m 1 second in and just want to say I’m amazed and so so happy this video ended up over 2 hours long. We’ve missed you, Shifty. Thanks for everything you do.
I hope shifty knows how happy he made many thousands of people by uploading!
The idea of Jon returning to that cave to stay there forever sent knives through my heart.
really, why? Jon's thought you refer to, struck me as a bit of sweet nostalgia for Jon. Those moments in the cave with Ygritte, are probably the only moments of true happiness Jon has ever known in his entire young life.
And obviously Jon knows they could literally not stay there forever as they need food of course, so he's clearly just imagining, before he is forced to put it aside by the cold hard reality of his life.
@@robertmaybeth3434it feels like similar of the story of Merlin death, Merlin pursued love of a woman who did not love him and that path led him to being trapped in a cave forever, and Merlin knew this would happen yet stayed his course. While Jon tried to not love Ygritte yet he ended up failing, but he knew that he’d have to return to the watch but he’d have to leave Ygritte behind. So for him to end up in the cave after choosing duty over love, feels so twisted but also appropriate, trapped in the only place he’s ever known love. Brutal but I love it
While Jon has known happiness with the Wildlings, he is still very young and his time north of the wall (relatively speaking) was like good times he had at college. They are good times, and he will look back fondly, but I think he knows that he wouldn't be happy living with the wildlings in the long term. Of course it does appeal to him to be more equal, since he has such a chip on his shoulder, but equally just being "another dude" is not going to satisfy him. He is just not that kind of guy.
@@lostalone9320 but he's unlikely to be 'just another dude' with the wildlings either. They still have authority & respect among themselves - but through recognition of what they've done & what they're capable of, not how they were born. With or without Blood Raven pulling the strings, Jon has shown pretty definitively that he can earn respect & hold authority.
that would be a interesting ending to a dream of spring for Jon, after coming back to life, defeating Ramsey, fighting the white walkers, fighting Aegon and Daenarys in all likelihood, and with winter over and peace restored, he realises there is no place for him left and the magic that resurrected him is fading, so he goes back north to the cave, and lies down there in the hot water, where he had happiness with Ygritte even if brief, and dies dreaming of something, maybe dreaming of seeing all his family again or Ygritte teasing him about getting going.
It's amazing to think that even just Jon's story could be an entire book series in itself. It staggers me to consider how George wrote all these intertwined, indepth stories of ASOIAF.
Its honestly insane how it all intertwines. I've spent countless times wondering how he does it all in his head.
I honestly love the interconnected storylines as well, but he might have made it too complicated to finish now. Hopefully I am proven wrong.
Unfortunately that’s the book’s Achilles heel. Too complicated that even the author himself has no way to progress the story.
And now he's crushed under the weight of so much story
Be nice if he also finished the book series he decided to start
The actor who plays Jace on HOTD is a spitting image of what I imagined Book Jon to look like
I was actually thinking a few days ago "he totally looks like a Stark" lol especially now with his new hairstyle
He has been mewing
Facts
the actor looks like a clone of ronnie radke
Omg!!! I thought I was the only one
"Arya suffered at Harrenhall, joined a death cult, murdered people and she's still just 11 years old" When you put it like that... its terrifying.
That’s one of the few things I like about the show more than the books. Each season 1-6 is around a yearish, which seems more realistic than the entire story happening in a couple months
@@Chadius_ThundercockIt's so fitting that the show managed to do so much less across much more in-story time.
It's supposed to be, unlike in the show where her edge-ladyship is glorified
The Ghost of High Heart freaking out when she sees Arya says everything that needs to be said.
@@Chadius_Thundercock The book takes place between 298AC - 300AC. That is more than "a few months."
At this point Alt Shift X has put more work into ASOIAF than GRRM has in the past 5 years.
OHHH MY GOOOOOOD THAT MAN OWES YOU NOTHING. YOUR BITCHING AND COMPLAINING DOES NOT MAKE HIM WRITE AND BETTER OR FASTER.
LOL!! Hilarious! 🤣
😂😂😂😂
A devastating reality 😢
Try ten years
I cannot begin to describe how much it satisfies me that you attach book-accurate art or edits for everything. Truly the best channel.
Had to restrain myself watching the first season and seeing Jon with brown eyes... truly, this is a triumph
AI art though...
The purpose isn't to highlight human artwork, but to create a real depiction from book description.
Note where there is art available the artists are noted. @@alvaroprieto2092
@@alvaroprieto2092If you can't tell the difference between something made by a robot or something made by a person does it really matter how it was made? Just enjoy the artwork.
@@ThwipThwipBoom Yes. It matters.
12:42 "Jon has several emotional tantrums in the books. Like other Targaryens, Jon has a temper."
I love digging deep and I do think that Jon is a Targaryen, but I think this particular trait can be explained by Jon being 14.
"Jon is a 16 yr old boy and this redhead is throwing herself at him."
Yeah that'll do it.
The same happened to me when I was 17😂 with the difference I still had feelings for my ex gf and rejected the redhead. Today I know how dvmb that was...
@@FrankeNamensKarimmeanwhile me, no ex nobody throwing herself at me
In the books he was 14 and Ygrette was 22 ahahaha
@@catinho9705 😅😂trust me, maybe it's better like that. All my depressions and that one time I was losing weight in a short time were caused by women.
I rejected the girl with the red hair when she had the biggest crush on me, some years later I had a friendship with benefits with her, I began to develop feelings so I wanted to go separated ways for few weeks or months, but she couldn't accept that and wanted us to date. When I said no she argued and argued and argued, so I was ok with giving her a real chance and I really began to love her - all that just for her telling me one day completely random she has no feeling anymores and one week later she tells me she was in bed with a guy she just met that day
@@Mchszjiasjsdhz
How did I not remember that!!?! 😂😅😅😅
We need a whole serie about the real *insert character*. You have captivating way of describing this, and I sure would watch those again, and again, thank so much for all the effort and time !
Please please please!! “Real” is a great idea that should go on!!
I vote a video about the ‘real’ Daenerys next!
I cannot wait for "The Real Shitmouth"
this is really such an amazing video please make more
I'm such a sucker for correcting faulty depictions, so entire video essays dedicated to just that (filled with accurate art or edits) is so unbelievably far up my alley lol
I half expected this video to be about Arya to subvert my expectation
who cares, she is not a dragon
This is a highly underrated joke 😂 Bravo MrCoffeejingler
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@@benjaminf8526underrated ? U mean the same tired complaint people have been making since the last season of the show ??? Like yea it’s a legit criticism but come on people who have no idea what they’re talking abt rly latched onto this “subverting expectation” thing cuz it sorta kinda makes them sound like they kno what they’re talking abt. Same thing happened w Star Wars lol a bunch of people who have never worked in the industry moaning and whining abt things that are legitimate issues but having no clue what actually goes into the whole process. Big Reddit energy coming from ur comment dude
Blue eyes from the resurrection of the old gods, red from the god of fire, combinging to give john purple eyes, blue flashed by fire and settling to the colour of house Targaryen.
John is meant to be some weird combination of old vs new so pretty much anything is on the table at the moment
Jon in the Winds of Winter: "Maybe the real Song of Ice and Fire is all the friends we made along the way"
"i defeated the Night King! I truelly am The Song of Ice and Fire"
Hahahaha
😅
it's snowin' time
@boitrash4279Winter is cumming
The only winner here was Kit Harrinton. He got a redhead, 2 children, became rich and popular despite the ending of GoT and he donates to charity just like Emilia Clark. Just a great guy overall.
And his movie "testament of youth" prove he could do dramatic role.
I hate DnD cutting his role in games of thrones.
@@nurlindafsihotang49 what?
Shit, I donate to charity. Big whoop.
@@nurlindafsihotang49 Adding it to my list
@@DarkMAGABurt Now all you need is a redhead
Dude I have a love/hate relationship with your vids, because they make me so hyped about books that will never come out.
The man IS making a history book video about fantasy books for 50 years in future
@@Morfe02 GRRM invents the cure to mortality so he can spend even more time not finishing his books
The books will come out. Eventually. Only 4 more to go!
@@owlsayssouththe man’s 75. He’s not finishing the books. The rest of the books will be left in the hand of the fans. Which maybe isn’t a bad thing because George said season 7 and 8 were really good
No LITERALLY
I just noticed what an excellent foil young Griff is to Jon. Griff has only been taught all these life lessons while Jon has lived them.
And If both the Blackfyre Theory and R+L=J are canonised in the next book, I can see them having an Optimus Prime - Megatron type of dynamic, maybe I can see resurrected Jon helping fAegon with the 6th Blackfyre Rebellion, turning YG's invasion into a Robert's Rebellion 2.0!
@@PedroLucas-mg5je no, they say the next book is the dance of dragons 2.0 (literally the last book name 😂)
Aegon
Griff
Daenerys
With the 7 realms all supporting different Targaryens maybe we got 3 armies or just 2 and Jon against the White Walkers
The more you dig into Jon’s story, the less sense it made for Arya to end up killing the Night King.
well - almost nothing made sense towards the end of the show so it's unfortunately just another dumb moment for the pile
let's just hope George just finishes the damn books at some point because being left hanging rather than a sub-par conclusion is almost as bad, but for different reasons
@@IronFreakVit will be great if they will make another season , all season just about fight with wihte walkers ... and about north.
Honestly the less sense it makes for there to be a night king
I disagree, the lord of light had a plan, and has been prepping her for that very moment. You guys just love jon snow, but unfortunately, its not all about him
@@maticbeskovnik3380the white walkers dont fight straight up, that’s probably why they lost previously, they are extremely fragile against certain weapons, the wights are their best weapon (numbers and resurrection), they dont have strategy, there isn’t any politicking, a season of them fighting a zombie horde doesnt seem to appetizing to me, IMO, i think the long night was a very dope episode
the sad face after "jon won't be a dog forever" in the captions at 1:17:38 is so perfect.
Man this comment is probably gonna be lost in the thousands that are here. But I just wanted to say thank you for all the hard work you put into all these videos. The amount of research and reading that you have obviously put into making a video is awesome. I always look forward to when you post anything. Just wanted to say your channel is fucking awesome and you're dope. Thanks!
+1 Man is quality machine, not only he makes hours long deep dives into theories, differences between books and tv show and scour every page to find some obscure character saying one sentence to make theories more believable. Even though most of them are stupid (Watch Alt Schwift X 7 hour video called "Ultimate ASOIAF Theory Iceberg" where he summarizes theories and hints about them being true/completely false done LIVE FROM HIS BIG HEAD). The only content I don't watch is from House of the Dragon because I don't want any spoilers but I don't have time to watch it and I'm afraid that it's bad and it will ruin GoT's magic for me.
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Yeah alt shift x ASOIAF lore videos are incredible and the amount of effort and dedication put into them really shows in their quality. One of the best YT channels
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Jon often thinks about how he has wanted to be Lord Stark for a long time, and each time he would feel that desire, he would immediately feel terribly guilty about it, because the only way he could ever inherit is if all 5 of his siblings died and he sincerely loves all of them (even Sansa)
And I think he'll become Lord of Winterfell and usurping his siblings/cousins in the next books (shall he be resurrected), not out of greed and power AND not just to unite everyone in the North against the Others, but because he don't want the North to start a "Dance of the Dragons" type of conflict with his remaining family!
The main show ended 5 years ago yet here I am happily watching a 2 hour deep dive into one of the book characters. You’re so good at that, Mr. Shift X
There is no show
what show?
@@sunbleachedangelwhat do you mean there is a show. It was unfortunately cancelled after 4 sessions.
@@Adv3. Dude, what are you on about?
@@sunbleachedangel sorry, I was mistaken. I thought it was an adaptation of A Song of Ice and Fire, but it turns out Bluey has nothing to do with the books.
"In the book, it's more complicated" sums up so many things across ASOIAF lol
And as more time passes without release of WOW , maybe not for the better.
@@saruboss18 Too true, sadly
it's also infinitely more interesting than the show XD
When Alt says this one simple thing, my depression fades away.
"In the books" = 😤🤚
"In the novels" = ☺️👉
I’ll die on this hill.
Conflating the three eyed crow and Bloodraven as the same entity is the same mistake bran is making that will eventually dearly cost him.
We have zero evidence to support them being the same entity and have significant evidence to support the fact that Bloodraven himself is wholly unfamiliar with the three eyed crow.
George makes a point of symbolically separating ravens from crows.
Ravens represent knowledge and wisdom. Information.
Crows represent death, decay, and rot.
Bloodraven only inhabits ravens (amongst other creatures) but never EVER crows.
Making the assumption that what awoke brans power and who called him beyond the wall are the same thing i believe is a dangerous assumption to make.
There are no weirwoods on old wyck and yet Euron was visited by the crow.
I like this. What/who do you think the three eyed raven could be?
It is striking that when Bran finally meets Bloodraven, Bran says to Bloodraven; "You are who I've been looking for, The Three Eyed Crow!"
And Bloodraven just looks down at Bran like: "A... Crow..?" Like he has NO CLUE what Bran is talking about.
@@kimblandino yeah he thinks it’s weird he used wildling phrasing to describe him as a member of the nightswatch which is CLEARLY not what bran meant.
@@JacobGrim could be an avatar of the old gods. I’ve also heard it could be that future bran is the three eyed crow and he ouroboros style ALWAYS awoke his own powers so that he could eventually awake his own powers. So on and so forth. I personally don’t know but I’m strongly of the opinion George has given us enough to be suspicious of the fact that the tree wizard has no idea what bran means when he asks if he’s the magical three eyed crow entity that visited him in his dreams.
George likes doing this. Conflating two similar things as the same thing to the detriment of the characters and the audience.
@@Prince_Luci Bloodraven tried to recruit Euron and Euron went rogue as the Three Eyed Crow.
Euron's use of Sweet Sleep might allow him to telepathically access this sort of dream realm where he can influence the dreams of Wargs/Greenseers.
"My ending will be very different, but I will never finish the books"
GRRM
No ending is very different :D
@@NerazmusObjectively there are endings that are very different.
Do you ever think that GRRM watches these videos and goes: "Damn that's way better than I had planned" and that's why he can't write the book
I don't care if he lies under oath & says he's *_never_* watched any of these channels- just so long as he uses them to **finish the damn books** !
Miyazaki syndrome
Scott Cawthon syndrome.
@@ThwipThwipBoom Main man Scott hasn't claimed he's ever been a great writer or even one at all though at least.
GRRM says he doesn't because of exactly this.
Imagine Melisandre tries to rezz Jon in TWOW and his spirit just goes "I don' wun it", and we never see him again
lol
lol
Deeply funny
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>New Alt Shift X video
>It's about ASOIAF
>It's 2 hours long
I'm so ready
36 mins in I see
life is good 😎
I came in my pants.
LES GOOOOO
ready
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That art you used for Jon, the one you used the most, that is such a captivating portrayal of him. That is what I envision when I think of Jon Snow now.
Ikr it shows how young he is, how much there is hidden behind his eyes
Man. These books must be the most complicated thing to write. Every plot and character is so deep and Well thought out.
I always caught myself thinking: have this motherfucker thinked all that from the first book? The targaryens, all the past characters, the stories it all fits so well.
It's precisely cause they were not well thought out, is why the story and books will never be finished. George is a gardener. Unfortunately.
@@ElVnugoThe story grew out of his scope.
#IbelieveinGeorge ❤
Like Jonah, George was swallowed by the Great Leviathan.
That “parkour” cut from the Office as Jon chases Ygritte was comedy gold
I like how GRRM has libraries worth of lore and stories that are just random background that are nonchalantly brought up in casual conversations in the book.
Why he was perfect to collaborate with Fromsoft for Elden Ring
@@shaunsmith9013 from what i heard he really didn't do much for elden ring, it came across more as PR hype ngl, but if you know different I'd be interested in learning
from what i understand thats largely correct. hes responsible for creating the names and structure of queen marika's lineage and didnt have any part regarding the details of the actual lore of the game @@Caesar-o8s
@@Caesar-o8she made all the lore before the shattering only the twisting of it afterwards was the work of from so he did quite a lot
@@Caesar-o8s He apparently made all of the context, the Greater Will, the demi-god family tree etc, up until Marika shattered the elden ring, then fromsoft took the world he created and did their post-apocolyptic magic with it
Martin confirmed Dan and Dave got the job based on guessing his parentage. He's lyanna's son without doubt
wake up babe Alt Shift X just posted a new ASOIAF video
Wow how original
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literallly though, I woke my dog up to make sure she understood the gravity of the situation. she did not, the grumpiness is real
I said the same to my wife :)
She’s still asleep :(
@@alexx5064my family is like your dog, they don't understand!
I both love and hate how us as a fandom chose to ignore that Ned also has a temper
So did his brother and father.
@@バナナがたくさん Right?! Ned loses it at people all the time. Catelyn even says “his anger was on him” and that she has never seen him “that angry” which means she has seen him angry more than once to be able to compare? And in his inner monologue he definitelly gets angry all the time. IDK if this is the influence of the show, like people saying how him and Jon have no personality, but theirs are some of my favourite jokes in the books
Ned got that dawg in him.
@@hypatiakovalevskayasklodow9195he has a normal temper, he gets angry sometimes but not constantly
Ned's 'Quiet Wolf' moniker isn't people saying he's passive and doesn't get mad. It's them saying he doesn't go carousing and openly raging like other lords do. He definitely still has a temper.
Dude honestly, thank you for staying with this series despite how hard it can be as a book fan these days. I became a new fan and read the whole series in one go after season 2 of the show in 2012/2013, and thought for sure Winds would be out in a matter of years at most. Since then, book nuances were overwritten in my mind with show-canon, and now almost 6 years after the finale, I’ve been left wondering why I even liked the series in the first place. This video just reminded me why I was so sucked into the world and characters, and so thanks for re-kindling my interest and hope that we might get some closure from George.
Absolutely agree with you on the point that show has overwritten all the nuances of the books.
"Things just happens cause the writer wanted it to happen" nature of the later seasons is the only thing I remember.
I am due a reread long time now. If only winds will be announced. Would be a joyous reread
@@anomanderrake5434I think the show is a great entry, the books are an amazing in depth look for people who want more. And you’ll end up liking it more than the show 100% that’s how it went for me
You liked the show becuase first three seasons are actually decent, regardless how close or not they derive from the original. This show that I too regretably watched to the end prevented me from doing the same with netflix Witcher. I watched first season that was great and didnt bother with the rest seeing how south they went.
Re-read the books and feel the joy
You just articulated exactly how I feel and we have nearly the exact same experience and timeline. I'm hopeful for the future books!
Bella Bergolts drawing of Jon Snow is honestly so amazing. I honestly didn't have a picture of Jon properly in my head but this really helps me put a face to the name. I'd love to see more ASOIAF illustrations if they have any.
Imagine being Kit Harrington. Getting told he gets to play Jon Snow, probably reading the books to understand the character. Learning all the delicate nuances of the character and who he was. How fascinating, and human he was. Then getting told to just say "I don't want it" for five seasons. Imagine how disappointing that must have been. How hard it must have been to keep coming to work
I don't think he really cared. He always backed d and d up saying that everyone who criticize them is a hater. I'm can imagine that he doesn' t give a shit about the books.
@khswag3632 right right, I'm sure he wasn't just gritting his teeth and saying what he had to so he could keep his multi-million dollar paycheck. I'm sure that had nothing to do with it
I think I feel worse for Pilou Asbæk, the person who played Euron Greyjoy, now that´s a character that got butchered!
Lol nah the guy had no idea what book Jon was like.
I feel bad for Barristam Selmy’s actor. He read the books, knew them well. And he was told he was gonna get killed off in a fucking stupid way. He wrote a letter to DnD saying they should change it because it doesn’t fucking make sense and it sucks. But that made them want to kill Barristan even more
It was weird that in the show Jon and Sansa’s reunion are more impactful than Jon and Arya
It’s because D&D favoured Sophie Turner & Sansa so they gave her pretty much Arya’s plot from the books.
I couldnt stand Sansa from start to finish.
@@dawnatkinson7704 especially after battle of the bastards
@@dawnatkinson7704 Also started to dislike Sansa after season 5, which is a shame because I like her in the books-keep in mind she is not shrieking selfish advice at Jon in the books. It never made sense in the show that Jon was making such catastrophically bad decisions during the battle of the bastards and that it almost led to his defeat while Sansa, brillant nascent politician that she is, swooops in and saves her bumbling brother with the Knights of the Vale. So wrong and so infuriating. When Stannis followed book Jon's tactical advice, he was winning battles and expanding his army.
@@thespacewitch2246Considering how badly they wrecked her story I don't really see the favouritism....
I’m currently rereading A Dance with Dragons, and it’s increased my appreciation for Jon tenfold. Thank you for making a video honoring this great character who is often misperceived because of the show.
Now I need to make a 2 hour video on the superior Jon, Jon Connington.
Heresy.
The con himself!
Quinn and Shifty crossover please and thank you
What do you think of Jon's decisions in Dance?
Hey Quinn love your stuff
I think it’d be fascinating for Jon’s dreams to lead him to a dragon egg in the crypts, one kept living by the heat under Winterfell.
That direwolf scene in the show is what got me in the first place. And Jon says, "Lord Stark" when he is addressing Ned in that direwolf speech. He knows what he's doing.
Don’t forget that “The White Wolf” is a direct reference to Elric of Melnibone, an Albino King with a magic sword. So that actually hints how Jon might have white hair, red eye and a magic fire sword.
Elric references are rife in the series. I personally like what George has done with the look
One of Azor Ahai's many names is "Eldric Shadowchaser"
george rr martin already said that bloodraven is based of that character
Yeah I had a bit of a realization that the Valyrians are basically Melnibones driving home from work today TBH.
The theory I always liked was one involving Jon's actual body being burnt. Some First Nations legends hold that shapeshifters were the result of men who could "spirit walk", but their bodies die and their spirits get stuck in animals. Their animal bodies can't speak, and some strong emotion causes them to revert to human form. In that case, Jon would have white hair and red eyes.
I know this was your "Winds of Winter" for the last year.
But I want you to know you've done a fantastic job and it was worth the wait.
As someone who’s never read the books. Watching House of the dragon and watching this is solidifying my want to read this series. The books seem more magical than the show and more interesting character wise.
What's stopping you? Just go for it.
I did this recently and now I'm genuinely repulsed by the show. It feels quite shallow compared to the books
I hope you started. Going through it my second time. It feels easy to get sucked into the writing and characters are so good.
Actually awesome video.
The Azor Ahai criticism at the end was top notch. After discussing for so long how John is definitely set up to be Azor Ahai, and how making peace with the white walkers isn’t worth doing, you also turn around and say, “but who would want to follow in the foot steps of a man who murdered his wife for a magic sword?”
Which like, damn, when you put it that way, I think the Azor Ahai prophecy is more of a curse than some sort of blessing. It’s not saying “you will be a great hero” it’s saying “you will find the power you need by sacrificing others.”
That is a genuinely interesting idea. So much the fandom discussed the prophecy as something needed and ultimately good, when if looked upon from another perspective, the flaws of it are just as evident
Ye
I think azor ahai is more someone who is made rather than someone who was pre ordained.
But then again, Love is the death of Duty. Maybe by sacrificing his Love, he can accomplish his duty that was destined. So many ways this could go.
Azor Ahai being a villain is one of LmL's core theories (which ASX mentions in the video)
The idea is that Azor Ahai, Night's King and the Bloodstone Emperor are all stories about the same character.
You can slowly hear his resentment of the TV show the further along this video goes lol
Yeah tbf I didn’t hate Johns sorry in the show until his resurrection. It was different, but still good. After though….
You probably have his poster in your room were he is on the thron holding his sward
@@Mchszjiasjsdhz what?
Hell the first two minutes of the video has a couple memes throwing D&D under the bus. It's awesome.
Well for most of the book fans, we became pretty salty around season 4
My prediction is that Lady Stoneheart will go to the wall looking for Arya, she did capture Breane who was heading north looking for he daughters. She will find a dead Jon but no Arya and decide Jon is her best hope at saving her children. She will pass her life to Jon the same way Baric did for her. It's a bit of a redemption for Katlyn for how she's treated Jon. And also Lady Stoneheart fits for stone giving birth to a dragon.
ooh I hope so
Better explanation than Melissandre doing all the Magic work
My guess is that GRRM is seeing these videos and reading all these comments and getting so many good ideas that the next book is going to be huuuuge, probably going to be splitted in many parts... ah no it's just me dreaming, of course there is no next book coming, not in this life at least
But it will take her too long to reach the wall. Last that was heard of LSH was she was near the neck. A whole kingdom away from the wall.
This is nice but I honestly believe Selyse and Melisandre will burn Shireen against Stannis's will while he's away to resurrect Jon.
Man, I really hope he finishes the stories now. I want to see what becomes of Jon. Great video, super detailed and eye opening on the differences between the books and show.
All I can think about this whole video when you put it all together is how young Jon is, it’s just so heartbreaking the weight on his shoulders. Especially with how schwift uses the book accurate photo the whole time.
There are characters that are going through worst, Theon, dany, arya, sansa
@@Aydan2108So? That doesn't change anything.
@@HOTD108_ it pretty much does, y'all need to stop making jon seem like this big victim when he is not.
There are many things that are excusable because of their age in the books that are inexcusable in the show because of their age.
@@Aydan2108smartest anti jon crusader
I actually assume Jon will get a BETTER grip on his anger.
First: Ghost is actually very controlled.
Second, in the poem a song of ice and fire puts ice as coldness, apathy. So it might be a nice counterpoint if he became "colder"
That’s my theory as well-Dany is going to come back to Meereen with fire and blood, but Jon will be as cold and unfeeling as duty.
@@warlordofbritannia and both will be offered a chance to correct their course before it's to late...
I kinda hope Jon's saving grace will be Arya (if that so desperately wished for hair mussing doesn't happen i'll be pissed)
For Dany it might be ser Barristan Selmy, but i think not..
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The Walkers are the ultimate menace, the true final challenge. I can see Jon ditching Dany in order to return to the War for the Dawn. Thus he fulfills his duty but at the cost of his last chance at personal happiness; meanwhile, bereft of his support, Dany’s rule crumbles as she’s forced to more and more oppressive actions.
@@warlordofbritannia i don't think the walkers are the final menace, just part of it ( i guess it will end with a pact, or a deal with the children.
My idea is, the wall was originally built to keep humans out, but over millennia, too many fled north for freedom, so now the numbers are too grand and the pact is broken.)
But i could see a way how jon might be a last chance for dany.
Maybe he will try to persuade her to just let aegon rule, especially if he is a good king. He and dany could live happy as prince and princess, help put the realm to peace and rebuild the Targaryens...but she will reject that idea...
So the threat of fire, of passion, desire for power (and dragons) will, in my opinion be the final menace
@@saraa.4295
Good point. The real menace is the human heart in conflict with itself; I should have said the external threat that brings forth the only thing truly worth writing about is the Others.
I burst out laughing when Michael Scott yelling "parkour!" came in out of nowhere. Well done lmao
same here :D that was so well placed and unexpected, super funny!
When?
@MrKi 31:05
And it's so fitting hahahah
Never thought that GOT and The Office would intersect so well 🤣 truly a masterpiece 😊
"You did it Jon, you really are the Song of Ice and Fire"
What are we some kinda game of thrones
I have no words. Somehow you have undone some of the ick that ive been carrying since season 7.
If Ghost has to die for Jon to get back to his body, it would not only make sense for him to be able to then bond to a dragon, but also narratively it would be fitting as him killing his Stark side and embracing his Targaryen side.
DO NOT PUT THAT OUT INTO THE UNIVERSE. ABSOLUTELY NOT.
Ending it as a potential sacrifice of the dragon as well leads excellently. He's not defined by his Stark or his Targaryen side. He's just Jon.
Jon being Targeryen feels so lame dont know why
@@ShannMcG716 dont worry, the story will never be finished. I hope im wrong.
@K.a.t.-it1psI know right? I think this is one thing that they did right with the character in the show, by giving him the choice to renounce his targaryen origin. Jon is still barely 17 in the books, for him to be defined as a targaryen feels.. fitting in the books' lore but not in his arc, he wants to prove himself, to belong someplace deep down, to be more than a lowborn bastard. Jon's journey is similar to Sandor or the Elder Brother in a Feast For Crows in a way; They die, and they rebirth, and what comes out can be better(most likely) or worse.
“Jon isn’t a great warrior” is a good line to differentiate the intellectual nature of Book-Jon vs Show-Jon but it’s not 100% true. GRRM goes to some lengths to make it clear that Jon’s a talented, well trained young fighter but relatively green (not unlike Rhaegar) and still a teenager. It’s made very clear in ADWD that Mance Rayder is an exceptionally impressive warrior (he defeated the True North’s best warriors to become King, beating Styr four times while managing not to kill him), whom Jon held his own against despite getting the worse of it and then remarks the necessity of such learning experiences in training. So, yes, Jon is not a great warrior……. Not yet anyway
Yeah, I feel like ASX is underestimating Jon just a little bit. He’s no legendary swordsman but he’s certainly shown that he’s capable with a sword
@@hogndog2339I believe the point he is making is that by the point the books and shows more or less meet, they show John in the show as this beast of a warrior way too early on, whilst in the books he is well trained, a little green but with great potential which he is not there yet
Avoids fighting anyone who's not a poor peasant lol
Dude just want you to know your extended videos are all that, best channel on UA-cam by far man, please please please make more
Always saw him more as a Paul Atreides figure, like 'beware of prophesied heroes' than the season 6-8 captain America we ended up seeing
I came here for this comment
He looks like Paul Atreides in the thumbnail
Well now I want him to use the voice.
Hey, don't slander captain America like that
Gotta put respect on Jon’s name as a warrior. We were shown in dance that he’s strong enough to rip a spear out of the ground that took 3 or 4 grown men to take. His fight with mance/rattleshirt ended with him wrestling on the ground. It’s a lot closer than anyone remembers. And mance became king by defeating countless opponents while Jon has half the experience.
Jon doesn’t fight at the front lines because he’s a bad warrior it’s because that’s stupid. A giant died, and Robb doesn’t go into a fight without a bodyguard group.
all that was meant is that the books arent the kind of story where you go on the battlefield and start chopping people up left and right just because youre an important character and theyre not (unless youre top tier like Arthur Dayne, Jaime Lannister, Barristan Selmy).
If Jon went on the frontlines in battle, he would kill a couple people and then die, in all likelihood
This world isn't real Brian, please wake up. We miss you
@@sashimi879 what are you on about?
@@zoid_on_youtube Shift said Jon was not a warrior two or three times. The comments were made about Jon's apparent lack of skill and I'm saying he is skilled. I just got done watching a two hour video of his its the lightest of light criticism.
Shift talked about Jon's training being what turns him into a warrior when thats jon just wanting to fight cause he likes it and thinks he needs to get better. If it was about how the world wasn't made for one man to single-handedly kill 20 people id agree.
@@brianlowe904 I think he means Jon is not a "great warrior", which is true, and I think he meant it in the context of comparing him to TV Jon specifically. he doesnt have the amount of experience or on-page accomplishments to claim to be a particularly great warrior. we know he is well-trained and at least reasonably skilled for someone without much experience, but there arent any grounds to claim anything beyond that.
How TF does a 2 hour video go by so quickly?
This guy's essays are so good and flow so well... They really do justice to the topic of talking asoiaf
omg this really is two hours i thought it was like 30 minutes tops
Time flies when you are having fun
I just want to say this is probably The best video you have ever made. It's amazing and I can listen to it in one sitting
It’s like the more I sink into the books the less the show seems to me
I'm grateful for some of the visual shots from the show, and the casting was excellent, but other than that...
@@baselhills865 The show was good for as long as there was content to adapt from the source material. In a sense GRRM is also responsible for the final season.
@@BionickpunkGRRM is to blame to an extent, but to say the show was good as long as it had material is just false. S5 and 6 decided to go in their own, completely different (and bad) direction when they had two whole, unadapted books (AFFC/ADWD)
Read all the books first and still havent watched the show because I know it will be disappointing
@@obi-wankenobi7725 If I recall correctly its with Season 5 when the start deviating from the source material a lot and when the dumbed down dialogue started. And yes, 6 was also derailing it.
I use no hyperbole when I say that Alt Shift X is one of, if not the best channel out there. The quality of your videos is incredible and I can't imagine how much work went into a 2+ hour monster like this one. Thank you for all the amazing content over the years!
I love these "real" character studies between the book and show. You should do more of them!
hes been working on this one for over a year i believe, they take loads of time evidently
Watch Tyrion and ALL other videos
The Jon Snow chapters were the best. Thank you for reminding me how good the books were.
These real characters series are so well made. Thanks Alt shift and its team to deliver such a quality contect. Please do the next one on Arya Stark or Daenerys.
Book Jon:
Bowen Marsh sighed. "If they do not slay us with their swords, they will do so with their mouths.
Pray, how does the lord commander propose to feed Tormund and his thousands?"
Jon had anticipated that question. "Through Eastwatch. We will bring in food by ship, as much as might be required. From the riverlands and the stormlands and the Vale of Arryn, from Dorne and the Reach, across the narrow sea from the Free Cities."
"And this food will be paid for ….. how, if I may ask?"
With gold, from the Iron Bank of Braavos, Jon might have replied. Instead he said, "I have agreed that the free folk may keep their furs and pelts. They will need those for warmth when winter comes. All other wealth they must surrender. Gold and silver, amber, gemstones, carvings, anything of value. We will ship it all across the narrow sea to be sold in the Free Cities."
Show Jon to Bowen Marsh: I f*d us up, my lord. I borrowed gold… I don’t want it…
Bold of George to say, "It will be a very different ending from the TV show," when he and we alike both know it's not going to end.
I think he's in denial.
Loooool
I mean one will end on a low point, the other will end when martin gets to a point he's 6ft lower
How many years now 😭
Well it will be different I suppose
I never figured a two hour video on one character could be so fascinating and entertaining! Great job editors, voice man and writers!👏🏼
1:18:47 Shireen also tells Cressen in the ACOK prologue how she dreamed that a dragon ate her. So yeah, the future's not looking bright for Shireen.
In a way its looking *really bright*
@@arawn1061 I shouldn't be laughing at that as hard as I am!
@@arawn1061Man I love dark humor 😂😂
Kit Harrington deserved so much more. I really hope the final books come out eventually even if that’s just coping at this point.
Kit got away with the redhead, some beautiful kids, critical success and a blooming career that survived the show's ending. I think he'll be alright ;p
@@austin4855no. You don’t understand. He has publicly stated, and I quote, “Sometimes I wake in the night, a cold sweat welcoming the cool air as I shiver.. I feel the book Jon Snow looking down on me with animosity. My life feels empty without Jon Snow. I still dress up as him in my home. I still yearn for the North.”
I'm sorry. These books will never come out. The guy has been working on Winds of Winter for over a decade. No closer to finishing that he was 10 years ago. He is too afraid of his reputation being destroyed if he messes it up. If he wanted to release them, he would.
@@maddie690ifyhe might release it post humorously
@@maddie690ifyIts much closer to being finished than 10 years ago but whatever
The ending with Jon going back to the cave is just... wow. It hit me hard.
That's what I argued just before the final episode. So I was happy that he went north, but I wanted them to show him going back to that cave. Maybe with Val in the books?
Arya is always told she looks like Lyanna and Arya is the only sibling who looks like Jon. So, Jon looks like Lyanna too. Hmm, what could that mean? I remember my coworker got me to read the first book in the series and asked her if Lyanna is his mother. It was never a mystery for me. It just made sense with everything that was said surrounding Lyanna's death and her pleading "Promise me Ned", Arya's resemblance to Lyanna and Jon, Ned's reputation being so pristine that it never made sense that he would be unfaithful to his wife,, and the list goes on. I just wish Ned had told his wife because the way she treated Jon made me hold a bit of dislike for her.
5 months of wait for this... totally worth it
10*
This baby’s been in the works for years at this point
we waited 5 years for Dance…. thought that was rough lol
@@SpiralSine6 i know but i learned about it's existence with his community post and was like "oh boy, i've been searching up for years now every theory of what will become of Jon Snow after his death in ADWD and now THE ALT SHIFT X is uploading the longest video of his channel and it's about it? I'll start counting the minutes until it's done" and it finally is
@@scrollsubtlety2247 bro you waited 5 years and i've been waiting 7 and counting for GRRM to finally finish TWOW
Jon's arc alone is more than worthy of a trilogy. Simply astounding work by George.
Or a animated series maybe? 🐺
@@juanatreides95all these years and still no animated ASOIAF series. What is happening😭
To make up for the mistakes they made in season 8 and the character assassination of Jon snow. They should make a Game of Thrones movie trilogy about Jon.
@@thatonkgau5221 First let George finish the Books, then we see if some Director decides to work his magic on Jon Snow's Arc.
I know GOT absolutely butchered every single character of ASOIAF but the annihilation of Jon Snow hurts me on a personal level. I HATED how they tried to show him as this honorable fool when Jon is SO much more than that. Arguably the most wise person in the book says this about Jon "You mind is as deft as your sword, it would seem." And the only thing people can remember about him is 'You know nothing' or 'I dun wan it'. Jon could've been and should've been one of THE greatest fictional character ever. But hey....props to D&D for making the most essential person in the story, the most useless one. Fucking Pathetic.
Greatest fictional character? He's not even the best written in his own series.
@@Miuranger1 yes jon is the GOAT. Cry about it.
@@Miuranger1there comes a point where a character can't be better written and imo several ASOIAF characters fit that bill. Maybe most of them? Certainly the main POVs
what the show was going for was Jon just becoming Ned 2.0, which is an uninspired idea, but not terrible for the standards of a TV writer having to fill in the blanks after running out of book material. The problem is they didnt even execute that relatively simple idea correctly. Even Ned lied, even Ned had internal dilemmas about what the right thing to do was. Jon being someone who "doesnt know how to lie" and is always stubbornly resolute on what the right thing is, its almost like they were butchering two characters at once with that.
@@Miuranger1 He certainly is.....but I've learned accepting difference of opinions since I was like ten.....guess I can't say the same about you
How crazy would it have been if the show had both Jon and Arya fighting the Night King at the same time. Sword fight.
In the end Jon killing him
Would’ve been nuts
How dare you remind me that I used to genuinely enjoy this series. Awesome video, can't wait to never finish reading the books and remembering that the show completely failed to stick the landing
the ending in the show was pretty good in theory, the execution was ass. From a feast for crows we see how brutal war is and how anti war grrm is. It doesnt make sense that he would show the brutality of the War of the Five Kings and then glorify Dany's conquest and acsension as the 'rightful' heir.
if they hsd just tied up loose ends and not made the long night into an episode long joke, plus avoided all the retardation from s7 and s6, i believe the ending wouldve been pretty good
@Name.exeNotFound-pu1qt The show ending would have been perfectly fine if the characters weren't all brain dead and outlined their reasoning. LF definitely gets out of his element in the North and Sansa flips the table on him. Bran as omniscient tree king works. Dany gets ruthless.
Dany can totally justify being a tyrant at this point. When she returns from being lost in the dothraki sea, she has to confront the disease, starvation, and general devastation her leadership style caused. Maybe its because I just reread the last two together, but there's a lot of political talk between the two about having to be ruthless to curb suffering.
It’s alright George will never finish writing them…
I do hold out small hope we’ll get winds someday but I’m doubtful. The series is really great I agree
The last season was...
Best season ever!
Also as a hard of hearing and partially deaf viewer, thank you for making this with subtitles. I watched most of this on the train after work (I missed my stop twice cause I was glued to my screen) and my hearing aids were hurting my ears. I feels nice to be able to read your beautiful words and thoughts!💖
Jon meeting the Halfhand and going on that mission is maybe my favorite part of the story. It's simultaneously tense and slower than one would imagine. The tactics and chess game they play with the wildling pursuers are awesome.
Oh definitely! And the constant is your sword sharp thing (if I’m remembering correctly) was so ominous. But that journey and each guy being left behind was gut wrenching. Like as soon as that eagle is spotted half hand knows. And when he demands for Jon to tell him his dreams.
Excellent writing. Like first time I read was like eh. But on rereads it’s so tense and tragic.
@crinklescat1871 Exactly. My first read, I was rushing through it to see what would happen, but on my second read, it was awesome
“Everywhere the dragons danced the people died” is why I was not surprised when Daenerys lit Kings Landing on fire
... that that have any logical consistency whatsoever. all you did was take that quote completely out of context and apply it to a terribly written idea from the tv show.
Ygritte telling Jon they should have never left the cave still gets me every time
Thanks for reminding people that the characters in the books have actual layers.
All Shift X single-handedly prolonging the release of WOW by nailing significant plot points and making GRRM contemplate pivoting... This content was so well put together, thoughtful and engaging. Can't wait for more!
I never read any of the books. After watching this, I ordered the whole collection on Amazon and I cannot wait
“Maybe we’ll make a “real Daenyares Targaryean” video”
Me: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
One thing that always bothered me about the show is that Cersei and Tommen pretty much just completely ignore the fact that the boltons were defeated and the north is declaring independence again
In one episode the Boltons were defeated & in the next Tommen died. When was he supposed to react.
Mid-flight, maybe?
That's part of the problem, the story was moving at a breakneck speed long before s8. Recall in earlier seasons, they had whole episodes pretty much reacting to characters' deaths like Robb and Ned
In season 6, kingdoms and massive battles and major houses are destroyed and restored without so much as a comment from others
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Jon has always been my favorite character in the series not only because he’s cool but I can relate to his struggles.
I’m half Chinese and half Japanese, the Chinese hates Japanese and most Japanese don’t like Chinese, I can’t fit in with either culture, no one want to accept me and my siblings as theirs, my family constantly fight, I can barely see any of my cousins because of this. Either I give up being a Chinese or Japanese to see my cousins. I choose to not be in that conflict and I just American wash myself tbh
I am so sorry 💔 that you have to live this. I don't exactly relate but I understand ❤
Similar. Im a bastard and grew up in an area where everyone had a conventional family and married parents. And grew up feeling like a outcast and different . Also I'm a John too lol
sounds like you're pretty much the classic american, child of ancestral people that have hated each other for millennia because of (dumb) reasons. i'm french/german, trust me when i say i get it. i'm pretty much yank through and through and avoid all of that nonsense entirely. there's a reason europeans, before NATO/US permanent intervention, murdered each other at horrible scale literally every century forever until 1945.
May I ask which generation you are? Is it still common nowadays? My aunt (Chinese) married a Japanese man in the 80s and got disowned by her family. But today they all get along fine
I understand you, my father is german my mother is black brazilian, im too white and strange for my moms family and too black and strange to my fathers family. I fit nowhere. Jon is my favorite character too