Don’t accept the friend zone fellas. Don’t think you can wait her out. Make your intentions clear to her. If she isn’t on board, you take your time and attention elsewhere.
Thank you, I agree so much. If a woman rejects you, please just move the f**k on. Don't murder her, don't r**e her, don't assauIt her. There are millions of other fish in the sea. We're not required to give you affection just because you took us out to eat or gave us flowers. We are human beings, not booties for rent. So many men are like the ones in this comment section; they only see women as s** vending machines. When you try to start out as friends and get to know them better before jumping into a relationship, they get mad and accuse you of "friend zoning" them... whatever that is. Men are terrifying.
@@bellebonebag8096 to the contrary, I will conduct myself in a way that will make you rethink letting me go. I will up my game, my confidence, my style, and my success. I had an ex girlfriend of mine nearly trip an old lady trying to get to me, just 6 months after she got married to some simp who got her pregnant. Many years ago we were together, and she seemed to forget about her new husband in that moment. Sometimes the grass isn’t greener
Guys, I struggled until my 28 year of age with women. Here is a quick resume instead of listening to her because you might take it the wrong way : - Be a challenge - Stop being "nice" - Don't be too available - Tease her with humor, be playful - Never ever put her on a pedestal - Your compliments should rather be on her personality than her physical appearance. - Don't show any emotional reaction to whatever she says. If you don't like something, tell her in a calm manner. For example : Anytime a woman says that I'm nice I go for a saying like : "I have my moments, yes." I know it's sound stupid but it works. - If you like a girl that has a boyfriend and she seems to like you, stop whatever you're building in your mind. She's looking for a replacement and she'll do the same to you. - There isn't the "one". Just women. Take your chances. If you get rejected, you win. If you get her you win. Get your mindset right then go talk to women. Peace. Last thing : "Never showed any sexual interest", don't do that unless she seems interested in you, you'll just scare her away. Time limit to know if she likes you : first interaction to 2 months if you're patient, longer than that, forget it and move on.
@@markwillhite9200 exactly hahah there are THOUSANDS of available single women out there, to pedestal just ONE and do all this random shit is silly, the second she doesn't find you attractive, just move on. Complete waste of time.
Sounds like a lot of unnecessary work why not just keep money buy one of those sex dolls or something why waste it on a woman😂 You don't need them and you could get everything you need without them just seems illogical to put so much stress and effort into something so useless and very little application
This is such BS She friendzoned you because she is not physically attracted to you Remember, Chad can: Act as a friend Put her on a pedestal Take no lead Create no tension Literally do NOTHING And she WILL still sleep with him
@@TRW98Without sex it's not a "relationship" except in the Einsteinian meaning of the word. I never needed a friend that only wanted me to do stuff for them but would never show when I needed help. That's what friendzoned is.
@@johnchandler1687 this is BS. A relationship isn't only sex. There is a emotional part that makes it a relationship. Because with your definition someone who is asexual can't be in romantic relationships?
@@TRW98 Been married long? 42 years myself. Without sex any relationship is just roommates. And you can bet the farm she'll be getting it somewhere else.
I was ignorant about the friendzoned too. I did believed being FRIENDZONED means Real friends " Not long time ago I did learn Keep you as an orbiter/backup plan. A singelmom who friendzoned me 11 years ago suddenly believed we could takes our friendship to the next level. Little did She know I Friendzoned her back 11 years ago "
I like pie! :) and as a girl dating kinda confusing idk what's going on I'll just kinda roll with what ever unless someone asks me out if I like them like that then it's a sure thing if not then I'll say I'm not in a good place for dat but there an awesome person!
@@hannahmcclellan1825 stop playing dumb and typing like a 10 year old. "Im not in a good place for that right now" still gives hope and puts many desperate men in friendzone. although they are desperate and dumb for not cutting you off once you say that, you are still a terrible human being for doing that instead of making your intentions clear that you dont want them
I was friendzoned by a girl , I liked for years. One day, I had enough, I cut off contact, started ignoring her and a year later, she started throwing hints and tried flirting with me. I was done with her at that point, tho!
A woman is not entitled to give a man her body if she doesn't want too. Friend zoned is a myth when men liked to used that when they can't get what they want from a woman.
I know you're just joking around but that doesn't work. They communicate with each other and actually prevent guys from getting closer that way. Like when you go to a bar and talk to a female and her friend suddenly pulls her away? That's how they do it. And that's even if she's really interested in you.
We’ve heard millions of times that guys only want one thing, and we don’t take the time to get to know women. So we do the right thing - take it slow, treat you as a human being, and wait for the right opportunity to express romantic interest - then get friend-zoned because we didn’t act fast enough. Not in a year or a month - it happens in a matter of DAYS. Can’t even take you on a second or third date without getting this nonsense.
It really depends on the type of woman you're after. A lot of the women I know usually befriend a man before deciding whether to date or not. I don't think her rules are all that universal.
I’m barely holding my laughter at your bitterness. Relax, my dude. There’s a 99% chance that you weren’t rejected because you “treated her like a human being”, or “took it slow”, or “were a nice guy”, or whatever bullshitty reason you came up with to convince yourself that she was a horrible person who didn’t choose you despite being “obliged” to. There is a ton of other reasons why people (not just women, but men as well) reject their potential partners - rejected person’s bad breath, weird/evil behavior, boring personality, different lifestyle/interests, ugly face, excessive weight, small d or t’s… well, you name it; sometimes people are in love with someone else, or maybe they just don’t want any relationships (like I do), sometimes you’re just “not their type”, or they don’t feel something more deep than just attraction to you. “Being nice” is in the end of that list, if it is there at all. But yeah, who cares! Just forget all that and continue to believe that simply pretending to be a nice person obliges every woman on that planet to date you despite all these possible reasons not to, or your fragile ego will be broken :D
If it's true that the easier you are to get, the less value you have, then why do women get angry when someone says that having a high body count is unattractive?
Because women are indoctrinated to believe that it isn’t, but at the same time they’re indoctrinated to believe that it’s not good in men. World class third way feminism entered the chat and the world went to hell with it.
Also, just because I want sex from you has nothing to do with friendship or a relationship. That might develop over time, but is not my goal to start with. I'd rather become friends with people in fucking than fuck my friends, lol.
Exactly and never mind if you're someone like me that's more introverted there's no way I could want to be in a relationship with a girl before I'm friends with her first and let's ignore that one of the best foundations to build a relationship on is a pre-existing friendship
@@NorthernSpartan Women don't know how to attract women. They give terrible advice. It is more than proven that women don't know what they want themselves. There's even solid studies on that. They say they're attracted to something but then their pussy dries up when that happens. And the opposite is true aswell.
There's a simple solution, don't chase self important, entitled brats. I know it's hard to find a good woman, but she might as well name her nonsense "how to attempt to turn a hooker to a housewife"
@@NorthernSpartan is she wrong? Lol, this like giving advice to a 5 ft 5 kid on how to make the nba. “Just be confident and practice”. Women literally have zero clue or empathy of the thousands of men they dismiss as invisible, to stare at their inflated feeds of celebrities and top 1%
Exactly why I don’t care about being single I’d rather be single then have to deal with these mind games women pull, why do women have to complicate everything, I said a long time ago I’m good with all that, I’ve been happier ever since lol
Same for me and what she's talkin about if you're more introverted your mind just don't work like that it's hard enough to make friends Let alone developing a friendship with the girl before you can even think about asking her out
I feel like women like to put too much emphasis on nebulous things like: "the vibe, the energy, the ick or the chemistry" You can't explain these well to men. We generally speaking want more tangible things like: is she attractive, good in bed, or just doesn't have a horrible personality. We can't afford to be super picky, so we'll have a hard time understanding what exactly do women want especially as this is not necessarily the same for every woman. There is no magic formula or cheatcode to the female brain. The best general advice one could give is: take care of how you look and dress, build some confidence, take the initiative, don't be distraught by rejection and most importantly: have integrity. That is it gents. Let's stop pretending that these dating influencers have all the answers to your issues and can tell you why women don't want you without knowing anything about you.
guys shouldnt wonder about this happening. i can tell from my experience that they would always come up without me sending any signal, trying to get my attention and everything. so i dont know what else to do as treading them like a friend
But didn't she say what is actually in your advantage? She literally gave anti simping advice. To set boundaries and to prioritize yourself. If you want to "avoid this type of woman" , then what fucking type of woman do you want, fatherless incel?
The only way to get out of the friendzone is to gather the courage. Say your truth and if she doesnt like it, then move on. Female friends are high maintenance and most of them are really one sided. Women don't cherish their male friends as much as their male friends cherish them. It gives them power and they love that.
The truth is I used very poor judgment when the woman I met put me in the friend zone. I met the woman on an online dating site . Her name was Lisa, and she lived 18 blocks from my house. After our first date, she told me she liked me as a friend. She was so attractive that I kept seeing her, hoping to win her over . Five years later, we were still only friends. It was my fault that I wasted five years of my life chasing her. Don't be like me , please don't be a simp.
I learned my lesson. I was hoping that by writing down my story , other men would see themselves and wake up to this fact :the woman you are chasing after will never see you as anything more than a friend. I know I should have known better, but over the years, I have learned that movies and television are works of fiction. When a woman tells you she doesn't like you " that way," believe her.
I may be wrong and there will be exceptions to what I am about to say, but most relationships that start with friendship are usually the ones that last a lifetime. The reason for that is you didn't just jump right in with someone based off of their looks. As friends, you start to hangout, you know what each other likes, you vibe together. So even when you become lovers, the friendship remains and it becomes a beautiful relationship where you know the person inside and out.
This is absolutely true and why you can throw out any or all advice given by any female about how to get them. I met my wife as a friend, had no expectations of it proceeded to anything else. Then it just blossomed into romance. Had zero control over it doing so, did absolutely nothing to “make her like me”, or “win her over”, it just happened. If you start out as friends first you can literally break every romantic rule women set up for men which are usually illogical, contradictory, or even an impossible standard to live up to.
@@joshuaalexander3248 I see what you’re saying, but the thing is that worked because you were not trying to pursue her constantly and you was doing your thing
True, but it’s also important to note that kissing the ground someone walks on can create a lot of pressure on that person to reciprocate. Not only a turnoff, but honestly anxiety inducing.
I always tell people that I express interest in that "I don't kiss your feet and I don't kiss your ass." They don't always like that but I agree with you.
I struggled with women for YEARS - mainly due to overthinking. If you're just average looking realize it's a numbers game and dumb luck for the most part, be forward but be a gentleman, if she's not interested just forget her and move on. If you put too much emphasis in a woman you're not in a relationship with yet that's when friend zone happens because some women can sense you are overinvested and will string you along to take advantage.
Every guy has sexual interest in a woman. They just don't see it. At this point, I wonder if the best strategy is to treat them like crap, or at least like you have no interest and can live without them. Women seem to desire what they can't get.
nooo, see it has nothing to do with showing intentions or not, pay attention to the second point this woman stated, "being easy make you look less valuable in her eyes", many nice guys who take the friendship route already think the woman they re courting is the best, the queen, an oasis in a desert, a pink diamond and a lot of qualities she probably doesnt even has, and at the same time the guys treat themselves as worthless, women arent dumb and they can know if you re into the them since the first second they meet you.
I have tried this, and the results are disgusting. I tried it for about a week or two, in one of my classes. I had the girls after me like mfs. Then, I let out my true self, because I felt uncomfortable with all the attention. Girls are disgusting, in that way. As soon as you are YOU, they don't like it. They only want dangerous abusive narcissistic jerks. Period.
Lots of women are attracted by guys that kind of treat them like shit. The silver lining is, these women are only good for sex and that's it. So, if you want more than that, you're not missing out on much.
I was friend zoned. A few years later she married me. That was 35 years ago. She’s right, make your intentions known. Friend zone sucks. Better to move on.
I can't stop laughing. It's all about how you LOOK. If you aren't handsome, you can try to "hit on her", you'll get labeled as a "creep". If you are not hitting on her, and try to be "friends", sure, she'll friendzone you. Now, if you are handsome and you "hit on her", great, she'll accept gladly. If not, and you are friendly, trust me, you WON'T get friendzoned, she will hit on you.
You're right to an extent, but so is she, when it comes to giving guys a chance to break out of that friendzone/not be put in there in the first place.
That's an answer that an ungodly uncivilized heathen would say and you're all going to be judged by what you say and do I hope you understand that you may not believe in God but you will before you know the next 20 30 40 years is up I can promise you that you're wrong I've taken human psychology and other classes is part of my engineering classes at a very highly respected engineering class A School. And no person that is a logical thinker thinks the way you do only some deluded teenager with the mind of a cat
From guy to guy, if she ever puts you in the friendzone clearly (aka I don't like you like that you're just a friend to me)... raise the bar on her, don't give her easy access to you and go make a new friend... If she aint ride or die with you... she don't deserve you as a friend anyway.
Yeah this actually happened to me 3 days ago. We were hanging out having a good time. We walked on the beach I made her laugh I bought lunch for both of us. We hung out for 8 hours that day talking about shit and having a good time. We've known each other since middle school. I finally asked her out and she paused. Then she explained how of a nice guy I was and how I treated her with kindness. She said she only sees me as a friend. Well that was the last time I hung out with her and talked to her. It definitely still hurts.
@@23mj57yeah, you deserve better. Not putting her down. Just that there's a better match for you. You could also trying changing your approach. Experiment and see what works.
I married my female best friend. In order to do that, I had to have a best friend, date my best friend and then marry that best friend. If you want someone you’re not friends with, this advice works perfectly. If you want to establish a friendship after romance and watch that burn multiple times before succeeding, this advice works perfectly. This is neither bad nor good advice, this is for “sigmas” and red-pillers. I’m neither Sigma nor Simp, so this isn’t advice I can use.
@@jamesrellera6437 My wife and I met in 2004, we were friends, we got married years later. Currently we run multiple businesses together and while marriage as a whole isn’t *easy*, I love her more every day and she loves me. Simple, right? If you want a simple solution, you can’t apply complicated solutions. I told her “I like you, let’s kick it,” she said “aight”. The rest is history. For all the girls that didn’t wanna kick it, no problem: you just made my life easier. I can’t focus on who and what matters most.
@@DaChefBoi Did you make the first move to establish a relationship, or how did you do it? I got friendzoned quite hard, even though I liked the girl in the beginning and vice versa.
@@dietrichrosiers8184 I absolutely made the first move…then again, I always made the first move. There are some women that weren’t on the same page as I was, they just wanted a “really close guy friend” and I’ll be honest and say I don’t have ANY “real close” female friends, never have. So, if you just want a friend, call me when you need me, but I’m taking my talents to South Beach with a fly hunnie that wants more than a “really close guy friend”. If she “friend zoned” you, she’s not worth your romantic attention. Not sure what your views are on having friends you were once romantically interested in, but I’m not for it…so my energy goes away from that situation….keeps things neat and tidy.
@@DaChefBoi That's a very fair assessment. It also avoids the problem of holding on to hope for her to 'change her mind' as time goes on. We could ask ourselves whether they were really friends in the first place.
This is also true but living in the US and UK also drastically increase your chances of constantly ending up in the friendzone, so level up and get out!!!
Stop with the bullshit. This never happens in real life, only in your sad fantazy. If feminism is your excuse to never walking up to a woman then perhaps you don't deserve one.
The more I think about the term friendzoned is not because there's something wrong with the guy. It's the girl. The girl thinks of herself too highly. She's too high maintenence. She's overvalued herself. The only things a women should be concerned about a guy is will he treat me good; will he be a good husband and father; and will he be a good provider and stick with through thick and thin? Nothing else should matter. His height, looks, money, and sexual prowess don't matter if he's an a hole. Same goes with women. Men want loyalty and we don't care what you look like or what you do if you treat us like garbage.
But also…. No one is obligated to date anyone.. man or woman. Sometimes someone not being interested in you has nothing to do with YOU. I was hung up on an ex for years, and even though I had offers from other men during that time- I genuinely wasn’t interested because my heart was stuck on someone else. I didn’t believe any guy deserved a girl whose heart wasn’t really in it. Then there’s people who are working on their issues and aren’t ready to date, or people recovering from addictions, trying to get out of debt, trying to get an education, making sure they’re healthy enough for a relationship, etc. So, it’s not always that women or men even think of themselves too highly. People have lots of reasons not to immediately want a relationship with someone. Men and women.
@ClaireAyers I agree with you in part. I wasted years on someone too. Then I realized why am I doing this when I could have been with someone. I'm not a person who wants to be single nor do I want constant friendship because those who swore to always be there left because they wanted someone. People have issues and baggage because of their past. Man and woman aren't meant to be alone and single it's not in their genetics. Infatuation fools you. You don't pick someone with the butterflies and the spark. This fades fast. You choose to be with someone and share their company with what they bring amd add to what you already have.
@@ray_dorian888 yes but initial attraction is often needed for both parties to be deeply interested in the long term. Many young people quit relationships thinking they’re supposed to always have a spark- mature people realize you build longevity and stability over time
@ClaireAyers Yes, there needs to be the initial spark which could be found in anything. But I know girls do friendzone for many reasons. Many of them are tests and games they play to see if you'll bite or are interested and how far you're willing to go. They also use this because you can get more from many guys in the zone than from one committed. For me, you have to have inner beauty and character. A 10 body won't get anyone very far. It's learning and loving every day and growing into something. Friends first and see what happens.
If she puts you in the friendzone and she knows you like her more than a friend, she is your enemy, not a friend. Leave her dumbass and completely walk out of her life without hesitation. Do not look back. If you dont value yourself, how do you expect to be valued by anyone else?
That is the nice guy mentality being friends with a woman so she sleeps with you is wrong I tried that on my crush and now I'm friends with him because he's genuinely chill remembering that makes me feel like I should be arrested (14f)
@@Puffco716-vk5uf Lady or Man whatever you are. There are proper ways to form a relationship that is beneficial and fulling for both parties. Starting a relationship over lust doesnt work out for the best in the long run especially for females. I suppose a long fullfiling relationship that leads to marriage and companionship is way worse than having broken relationships and a bunch of kids out of Wedlock and being a single parent. What this "girl" just described is describing low quality females who will be used and abused. Life is better with stability and longevity not the immature mindset of chasing fleeting excitement continuously. If you doubt me take a look at which women marry and settle down with a loving family and who remain single or have a bunch of kids without any commitment and husbands 😂
@@Puffco716-vk5uf Since my last reply was deleted I'll keep it short. What that "child" just described will lead to pain and stress. It will not lead to a fulfilling relationship that will result in a great marriage and companionship. The women who follow that advice will either end up alone and or will be single mothers without any true happiness in their life
Its because we are attempting to explain something with words that isn't verbal in nature socializing isn't an intellectual thing it has a lot more to do with your vibe and how u come off then what u say or do exactly but the more we try to define it with language the more reduce and constrain it to the bullet points that may or may not apply with the individual your dealing with
One thing I was never called was the "nice guy". If a women isn't interested in having a relationship WALK AWAY, another girl will be along in a NY minute.
There is nothing wrong with being a girl's friend first. My gf of 4 years was my friend first. We knew each other by association (we shared a friend) for about 6 months then we actually started getting to know one another for about 2 months then we started dating. The problem with being friends first is some guys are friends for wayyyy too long. If you're close friends with a female for more than like 4-6 months without showing any sexual interest you've fucked up. I know its weird and its hard to make that transition from friends to dating without ruining the friendship, but it's a chance you have to take my friend.
Exactly if you’re interested in her romantically show intent but just don’t come off too strong or too forward show interest don’t be pretend to be her friend if you’re intentions are to date her and be in a relationship with her because it’s different then just being friends vs being in a sexual committed relationship but if you come off as a friend then that’s what you come off as she won’t know or can’t read you’re mind if that’s all you wannabe be to her is just a friend
@@adrianchico8886that seems deceptive though, I'm supposed to hide my true intentions for some time in hopes it improves my chances over time? Nah. We're on a hookup app, and she messaged me first, she's not asking for cooking advice lol. You don't shop for groceries at the DMV and you don't hit on women to make friends. I'm talking to you because I'm physically attracted to you, KNOW THAT and know it's the ONLY reason I'm talking to you, because there ARE other things I'd rather be doing. The only reason I'd make time to spend with someone is I like them. I don't spend time with people I don't like and you're a dumbfuck if you do. Always ask is what you're doing right now serve YOUR goals, and if not STOP DOING IT.
“Start showing sexual interest!” Me: “Hey so we’ve been friends for while. And I don’t wanna overstep my boundaries, but I think perhaps we could be something m-“ **Gets Immediately Blocked**
Really simplifies it, yet it isn't always the case, emotions are a spectrum, how you express those emotions to people or any at all is what determines weither you want more or not. Relationships for any to be relevant, has to have some vulnerability, if neither party invests in being vulnerable with the other party, then there is no relationship, just a transaction.
You don't have to become 10 times more attractive to people who actually understand that you are a person who has value they should appreciate in the first place.
Billie spoke the real truth in who the real simps are. If you want to get out of the friendzoned, just be upfront about what you want in life and from her.
My boys. Fix your game. Show them you can get shit done. But let them come to you. Don't run to them to show them. Attraction means people come to you. If you're chasing someone, means their attractive force beat yours. Things will naturally gravitate to you without you having to force them. That is an indication you're doing it right.
No one style works for everyone. My Dad got a lot of girls be being very outgoing, and he still is. He will talk to a random women he passes by or meets at the store (it is a miracle he has never gotten the cops called on him lol). He will get a random woman over to the house even in his 40s, not always for sex. Not how I do things, but it worked for him. And moreover, he is much shorter than me. Go figure. Charisma goes a long way.
@@genericdeveloper3966 Your dad sounds like someone who can communicate thoughts and get in sync with other people. Thats a quality. Not the rizz slang bs of new age. Anyway, cheers, learn from the man.
I had this issue, I appreciate billie for helping with this, i think i did pretty good considering its my first time in the dating makret, i established i didnt wish to be her friend, i created tension, i left the convos on high points i just showed my cards too early and made her the prize too quickly. I wanna slap myself looking back at it 😂
Billie; Excellent presentation and valuable tips! Yes, creating sexual tension is key. At the same time, I waste no time by asking her out right away, but only when I'm available. Of course, if we are going to a baseball or hockey game, has to be when the team is playing at home! Thank you!
This is really good advice. I spent most of my life friendzoning myself. I would be very "friendly" and then get upset when they didn't beg me to be their boyfriend lol You have to build legit confidence or you are gonna get in your own way. I still have chick friends but now i know the difference between a girl i like and "like like" haha Also, you can still be thoughtful and lovey and put women on pedestals a little bit lol you just have to discipline yourself so that you can be your own attractive man and a leader 1st. Sensitive dudes need the most discipline!
PS the whole friend zone thing usually means she's afraid of losing you but if you kind of make it apparent like walk away for instance and then she does lose you things change for her real quick
No mate a lot of the time it's because she's being smashed by aguy who's not emotionally available (because she's just a booty call) and thinks she can win him over with time. In the meantime she needs someone for emotional support so she will pretend to another guy that she's romantically interested but ''not ready yet''. It's because she is narcissistic and thinks she can compartmentalise people as if they are objects.
Fun Fact: A lot of girls most of the time when they meet a super nice guy, they don’t wanna lose him as their friend so they soften the rejection by just including the word “friend” or saying “friendship.” For example, when I confessed to my friend that I liked her, she softened her rejection towards me by saying “you are such a good friend, that’s sweet that you like me”
@@RobertMorgan True. A woman who is less attractive will give a man everything. Same with a less attractive man with a woman. I think of an example from Biy Meets World. Whilst Lauren was more attractive, Topanga was willing to give Cory everything.
What she says is on-point...especially when the guy is an 8 or higher. Otherwise, be prepared to take some rejection from time to time. But continue to work on yourself
So the definition of a crazy woman is a woman that tells you to prioritize yourself and to set boundaries? If she is a "crazy" woman, then what is a good woman, incel? You males don't know what you want and make no sense
Being her friend is important as you want your would be girl friend to see you as someone she can trust and feel safe around, even better if you can make her feel special but flirting is important too witch is probably the main reason people get friend zoned. You need to be viewed as someone that's masculine, one way to do that is to take the lead on everything but without being controlling.
Good to know I was always a friend to many beautiful women in my circle of trust when they were vulnerable Taking advantage of that vulnerability was not on my menu My pair are doing fine❤
A chick that's actually into you, wants to be your friend. She simply not into you, period. Just move on.. I agree with the sexual thing thow. Stop hiding your intentions or interests. It really make no sense.
Straight up lol. Always best to be upfront right from the start. Because sometimes all she's looking for is to get her lights banged out lol and that's a fact,
Nah if you just want to be friends I'm not looking for friends, I'm only "friends" with you because I want to date you and if you don't want to date I have no reason to keep talking to you. I've gotten the line"I think I'd be too much for you" WAY more...explain that one
As a realist I see it as I'm not going to waste my time on a friendship that's going to hurt me...I like you why would I want to stick around and watch you date other men?. How is it manipulative if I didn't manipulate you to do anything? It's your decision to not date me just like its my decision not to continue the friendship
@@TyrTheConquerorThis. Bro I'm sick of being told that if I'm nice to a woman I want to have sex with, I'm being manipulative. How does that make sense? I can't just be nice because I'm a nice person? As if desiring sex just makes me inherently bad LMAO a man is not a man if he isn't constantly craving sex.
@@kyleemeg2171never said being nice he said he wouldn't be friends if the intent of the other person was not to date because his intenet was not platonic friendship. You can be nice and cordial to people without becoming a part of their lives too. You took what he said and turned it I to something completely different. You just Cathy Newmaned this commenter.
@@guitarman0365 nah. If you’re only being nice to women in hopes that they sleep with you or date you…. That’s not being nice, that’s being manipulative. I said what I said, and it still stands. You should be able to be friends with someone without expecting more from that relationship. It’s called being JUST FRIENDS
Definitely don't want to be in a relationship with a woman that I'm not friends with. I want my wife to be my best friend, so we can truly be there for each other through thick and thin
The irony here fellas is that by doing what she says, you're changing for women and not yourself. If you truly want to "change" or become a "better man for women," stop simping over women and go out and live. Surive a challenge. Do something that forces you to adapt. Best of luck. PS I am not telling anyone what to do. I just find it sad that many walk into her trap;)
So you say the solution is to take the initiative and show that I desire her... But isn't that exactly why she answers with "You're such a great guy, but I don't wanna lose our friendship". I mean, why would she even say that if I don't take the initiative and show my interest? Am I crazy or does this make no fking sense at all
It makes perfect sense actually. What she’s saying is she doesn’t want to ruin the attention and favors she’s getting from you by having to offer you more. That’s all she’s saying. Ghost and walk away my man.
@@robertfootball1 are we talking about the same thing? You're mixing up the girl who posted the video with the hypothetical girl one is trying to date. Here it is dumbed down for you: Me interested in girl A. Me TOOK INITIATIVE. Me asked for a date. Girl A said be friends. Girl in video says to me: TAKE INITIATIVE. Me says: I just did, that why girl A said be friends. She didn't just randomly say it, did she? It was an answer to something, it was an answer to ME TAKING INITIATIVE, THEN STOP TELLING ME TO TAKE THE INITIATIVE
Totally valid perspective. Most guys don't become friends with women and do favors for them out of the kindness of their hearts. If a guy tries to hide his true intentions this way, he diminishes his masculine energy, he loses self respect, and it signals to the woman he is low value.
I agree with the saying that goes, 'don't follow dating and flirting advices from other women if you want to date women', but in this case I will say that Billie gives great advice because of the fact that she's traditional and got redpilled so she'll tell you the truth, although it's hard to swallow.
Interesting to hear you're perspective. As a man, we aren't weaseling in. We're genuinely trying to form a relationship. "Growing a pair" is super accurate though. Not being direct is due to lack of self esteem. We're hoping you will see like us because "we're always there". But I guess that is just men projecting what they want onto women. They don't seem to lack for support like we do. So it's just not as valuable to them.
Setting boundaries and prioritizing yourself is "toxic advice"? Then what is the "healthy" advice, more exactly??💀💀 Men☕️ don't make any sense and don't know what they want
Broooooooo I had an exam in complex calc today and have one about probability tomorrow... And that sheeeeet(being taught in foreign language) is still 100 times easier to understand ahhahahahaha
I get the beginning of what you are saying. It makes sense and that seems to be the way the world works (although I do think it's not very cool). But the bit about why "being a shoulder she can cry on" puzzles me somewhat. I have found that being that person brings the results you describe. But I I don't see why it should. Why should being understanding and a good listener and giving her a hug be considered weakness? I know women do consider it weakness but it is a bit bizarre.
Realized this pretty quickly, last weekend i found out i'm doing something right, some girls actually noticed me even tho i'm not available, we overheard them talking within their own group debating whether or not they should ask us for the down n dirty. I have a girlfriend so i wouldn't act upon that but those things are a huge confidence booster.
Urgh, yes this has been me almost all my life, but I went through a period of doing what you said and then got accused of being sleezy and creepy, being too interested too quickly, when showing sexual interest. How do I judge it right!
I wish more knew this honestly, they believe sex equates to romance When romance just equates to desire. You can desire anyone in any way it doesn't necessarily mean it has to be just sexually, which is what can be within romance.
@@Yusa_Beach Ooga booga terms: Love = Romance Lust = Desire/Sexual attraction. Don't confuse lust and love. Hookups are lustful, not loveful. Just because 300 players/hoes line up to hookup with oneself; DOES NOT mean oneself is marriage material.
@@AnonymousApexio Why do you place desire in just the Lust category? You're not wrong, but you can desire someone and not want them sexually. I think you should place the desire in the Romance category and leave the sexual in just the lust.
@@Yusa_Beach We are talking about different types of desires, there is actually two, emotional desire, which is what you're talking about, and sexual desire, which is what I was talking about, which is why I put "desire" with lust. Because USUALLY when you "desire" someone it's sexually. Not romantically. Usually. But it can be romantically where it then is emotional. But when you see someone for the first time, the inherent part of you that is attracted to them originally is sexual desire. And societal constructs push you to "get to know the person" which then translates to "emotional desire". Which is also what makes you go long term with that person. So none of us is wrong, it's just two different things.
That's all well and good and makes perfect sense. But how do you avoid the friend zone after a first date with someone, for whom you've made it obviously clear you're attracted to baeed on the fact that you actually asked her out on a dinner date or you met up aftrr selecting each other on a dating site, lol? I've been in a serious relationship for exactly a year, and I've had my share of past relationships and even a marriage over the past 30 years of dating. But, especially in recent years, I and a lot of high value men i know, have dealt with a lot of first date friend zonings, lol
I get where a lot of the sentiment comes from with saying "a friend and nothing more", but being a true friend isn't necessarily something lesser, sometimes it's not "more", it's just different. Good, solid friendships are valuable, too. But I do get it; if you're wanting a romantic/sexual relationship, then anything other than that feels like a failure.
You can be it all. Makes you more valuable than either of these things will do individually. Value your woman, BE her best friend, lover, main supporter and protector. She's not really wrong, but she's also not really right.
And here’s me and my guy who were best buddies before we got engaged 😂. I personally wanted a man that I could truly be friends with first before all the romantic stuff. Now I have the best of both worlds. We’ve been married for almost 5 years now ❤.
Don’t accept the friend zone fellas. Don’t think you can wait her out. Make your intentions clear to her. If she isn’t on board, you take your time and attention elsewhere.
@@mr.metamovies2419 doesn’t matter if none of the ladies ever want to be more than just a friend to you. Gotta switch it up.
@@mr.metamovies2419if you let a girl friend zone you it makes you a pussy in my eyes just don’t speak to her again
Thank you, I agree so much. If a woman rejects you, please just move the f**k on. Don't murder her, don't r**e her, don't assauIt her. There are millions of other fish in the sea.
We're not required to give you affection just because you took us out to eat or gave us flowers. We are human beings, not booties for rent. So many men are like the ones in this comment section; they only see women as s** vending machines. When you try to start out as friends and get to know them better before jumping into a relationship, they get mad and accuse you of "friend zoning" them... whatever that is. Men are terrifying.
@@bellebonebag8096 to the contrary, I will conduct myself in a way that will make you rethink letting me go. I will up my game, my confidence, my style, and my success.
I had an ex girlfriend of mine nearly trip an old lady trying to get to me, just 6 months after she got married to some simp who got her pregnant. Many years ago we were together, and she seemed to forget about her new husband in that moment. Sometimes the grass isn’t greener
No one cares if you "glow up" if they weren't attracted to you before. That's like putting glitter on a turd @@massimo7219
Instructions unclear, i am now in federal prison for assault.
lmfao
😂😂😂😂
The ultimate friend zone. 😂
@@matthewzumbo9868 You think he's making a joke.
No you aren’t.
Guys, I struggled until my 28 year of age with women. Here is a quick resume instead of listening to her because you might take it the wrong way :
- Be a challenge
- Stop being "nice"
- Don't be too available
- Tease her with humor, be playful
- Never ever put her on a pedestal
- Your compliments should rather be on her personality than her physical appearance.
- Don't show any emotional reaction to whatever she says. If you don't like something, tell her in a calm manner. For example : Anytime a woman says that I'm nice I go for a saying like : "I have my moments, yes." I know it's sound stupid but it works.
- If you like a girl that has a boyfriend and she seems to like you, stop whatever you're building in your mind. She's looking for a replacement and she'll do the same to you.
- There isn't the "one". Just women. Take your chances. If you get rejected, you win. If you get her you win.
Get your mindset right then go talk to women. Peace.
Last thing : "Never showed any sexual interest", don't do that unless she seems interested in you, you'll just scare her away. Time limit to know if she likes you : first interaction to 2 months if you're patient, longer than that, forget it and move on.
This girl sounds like she just read "Rational Male" and decided to spout it back.
Spot on.
If I need to play those kinds of games with a woman, I'm not interested in her. That means that she is a game player and needs to grow up.
@@markwillhite9200 exactly hahah there are THOUSANDS of available single women out there, to pedestal just ONE and do all this random shit is silly, the second she doesn't find you attractive, just move on. Complete waste of time.
Sounds like a lot of unnecessary work why not just keep money buy one of those sex dolls or something why waste it on a woman😂 You don't need them and you could get everything you need without them just seems illogical to put so much stress and effort into something so useless and very little application
This is such BS
She friendzoned you because she is not physically attracted to you
Remember, Chad can:
Act as a friend
Put her on a pedestal
Take no lead
Create no tension
Literally do NOTHING
And she WILL still sleep with him
Which explains why many women have such high body counts with non-relationship peers.
So was talking about relationship. Not sleeping with her.
@@TRW98Without sex it's not a "relationship" except in the Einsteinian meaning of the word. I never needed a friend that only wanted me to do stuff for them but would never show when I needed help. That's what friendzoned is.
@@johnchandler1687 this is BS. A relationship isn't only sex. There is a emotional part that makes it a relationship. Because with your definition someone who is asexual can't be in romantic relationships?
@@TRW98 Been married long? 42 years myself. Without sex any relationship is just roommates. And you can bet the farm she'll be getting it somewhere else.
F all those rules. Relationships should not be so complicated.
100% Why the f is everything so complicated now? I mean...I never understood dating, but now? I should just fly to space at this point.
I don't know... Maybe it's because we let women define the "rules".
I think that is why it is so complicated, nothing make sense in their brains.
People just need to be sincere and mentally healthy, that's it
Think about it. It's a business and a market now, and people are making money 💰 from it especially on UA-cam.
Common Bayern fan W
I was ignorant about the friendzoned too.
I did believed being FRIENDZONED means Real friends "
Not long time ago I did learn
Keep you as an orbiter/backup plan.
A singelmom who friendzoned me 11 years ago suddenly believed we could takes our friendship to the next level.
Little did She know I Friendzoned her back 11 years ago "
Falling in love with someone should never be something this complicated. If you like them, you shouldn't act like a prize in order to attract them
I like pie! :) and as a girl dating kinda confusing idk what's going on I'll just kinda roll with what ever unless someone asks me out if I like them like that then it's a sure thing if not then I'll say I'm not in a good place for dat but there an awesome person!
@@hannahmcclellan1825 stop playing dumb and typing like a 10 year old. "Im not in a good place for that right now" still gives hope and puts many desperate men in friendzone.
although they are desperate and dumb for not cutting you off once you say that, you are still a terrible human being for doing that instead of making your intentions clear that you dont want them
@@hannahmcclellan1825which country r u in? I like your no-nonsense approach lol
@@andrejszasz2816 USA 🙃 and thank you but why do you want to know my country?
Some of y'all men are just mad because a woman doesn't want to give up her body to a man so y'all would used friend zoned.
I was friendzoned by a girl , I liked for years. One day, I had enough, I cut off contact, started ignoring her and a year later, she started throwing hints and tried flirting with me. I was done with her at that point, tho!
Girls just be like that.
Well done Bro
@@YaardennchuukNo, don't generalize.
A woman is not entitled to give a man her body if she doesn't want too. Friend zoned is a myth when men liked to used that when they can't get what they want from a woman.
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If you leave me in the friends zone, you gon catch me in your friends phone.
Lol, for real
Clever 😏👍
That's even IF she wants you either. Lmaoooo.
This man is legend
I know you're just joking around but that doesn't work. They communicate with each other and actually prevent guys from getting closer that way.
Like when you go to a bar and talk to a female and her friend suddenly pulls her away? That's how they do it. And that's even if she's really interested in you.
We’ve heard millions of times that guys only want one thing, and we don’t take the time to get to know women. So we do the right thing - take it slow, treat you as a human being, and wait for the right opportunity to express romantic interest - then get friend-zoned because we didn’t act fast enough. Not in a year or a month - it happens in a matter of DAYS. Can’t even take you on a second or third date without getting this nonsense.
It really depends on the type of woman you're after. A lot of the women I know usually befriend a man before deciding whether to date or not. I don't think her rules are all that universal.
Why are we dating if not for intimacy? The point is sex and kids, nothing else.
People are bad at doing things for the proper reasons.
100% agree. You nailed it.
@@icecreamcake6238 Agreed.
I’m barely holding my laughter at your bitterness. Relax, my dude. There’s a 99% chance that you weren’t rejected because you “treated her like a human being”, or “took it slow”, or “were a nice guy”, or whatever bullshitty reason you came up with to convince yourself that she was a horrible person who didn’t choose you despite being “obliged” to. There is a ton of other reasons why people (not just women, but men as well) reject their potential partners - rejected person’s bad breath, weird/evil behavior, boring personality, different lifestyle/interests, ugly face, excessive weight, small d or t’s… well, you name it; sometimes people are in love with someone else, or maybe they just don’t want any relationships (like I do), sometimes you’re just “not their type”, or they don’t feel something more deep than just attraction to you. “Being nice” is in the end of that list, if it is there at all.
But yeah, who cares! Just forget all that and continue to believe that simply pretending to be a nice person obliges every woman on that planet to date you despite all these possible reasons not to, or your fragile ego will be broken :D
If it's true that the easier you are to get, the less value you have, then why do women get angry when someone says that having a high body count is unattractive?
They hate the truth
Women love double standards
Because it means that being easier to get leads to higher body count? Idk please explain-
@@9a_23_tyrantqiu7 Yeah if you sleep with 30 dudes, it means it was really easy for 30 people to sleep with you.
Because women are indoctrinated to believe that it isn’t, but at the same time they’re indoctrinated to believe that it’s not good in men.
World class third way feminism entered the chat and the world went to hell with it.
Uhh... This is why people are so screwed up about relationships now. If i can't be your friend why the hell would i want a relationship with you?
Also, just because I want sex from you has nothing to do with friendship or a relationship.
That might develop over time, but is not my goal to start with.
I'd rather become friends with people in fucking than fuck my friends, lol.
Exactly and never mind if you're someone like me that's more introverted there's no way I could want to be in a relationship with a girl before I'm friends with her first and let's ignore that one of the best foundations to build a relationship on is a pre-existing friendship
Because lust is approved.
Because with a friend you can't have intimate relationship, but with partner you can.
@@Aeonragnarok so, you're not friends with your partner? Seems like a pretty empty relationship.
She has such great advice, she must have dated a ton of women to learn so much about em.
Or maybe she is a woman herself. Mind blowing i know
@@NorthernSpartan Women don't know how to attract women. They give terrible advice. It is more than proven that women don't know what they want themselves. There's even solid studies on that.
They say they're attracted to something but then their pussy dries up when that happens. And the opposite is true aswell.
Is she wrong tho? If you treat her like a celebrity she will treat you like a fan. that's a fact.
There's a simple solution, don't chase self important, entitled brats. I know it's hard to find a good woman, but she might as well name her nonsense "how to attempt to turn a hooker to a housewife"
@@NorthernSpartan is she wrong? Lol, this like giving advice to a 5 ft 5 kid on how to make the nba. “Just be confident and practice”. Women literally have zero clue or empathy of the thousands of men they dismiss as invisible, to stare at their inflated feeds of celebrities and top 1%
Exactly why I don’t care about being single I’d rather be single then have to deal with these mind games women pull, why do women have to complicate everything, I said a long time ago I’m good with all that, I’ve been happier ever since lol
Same for me and what she's talkin about if you're more introverted your mind just don't work like that it's hard enough to make friends
Let alone developing a friendship with the girl before you can even think about asking her out
I feel like women like to put too much emphasis on nebulous things like: "the vibe, the energy, the ick or the chemistry" You can't explain these well to men. We generally speaking want more tangible things like: is she attractive, good in bed, or just doesn't have a horrible personality. We can't afford to be super picky, so we'll have a hard time understanding what exactly do women want especially as this is not necessarily the same for every woman. There is no magic formula or cheatcode to the female brain. The best general advice one could give is: take care of how you look and dress, build some confidence, take the initiative, don't be distraught by rejection and most importantly: have integrity. That is it gents. Let's stop pretending that these dating influencers have all the answers to your issues and can tell you why women don't want you without knowing anything about you.
Well said!
I shortened it for you: just be chad
Don't forget astrology or as men call it "racism for liberal white women".
nebulos
This right here is a good example of the kind of woman you want to avoid.
Yes!
guys shouldnt wonder about this happening.
i can tell from my experience that they would always come up without me sending any signal, trying to get my attention and everything. so i dont know what else to do as treading them like a friend
But didn't she say what is actually in your advantage? She literally gave anti simping advice.
To set boundaries and to prioritize yourself.
If you want to "avoid this type of woman" , then what fucking type of woman do you want, fatherless incel?
@@mr.metamovies2419why? Did you even watch her video?
Why do I wanna avoid a woman that tells me to set boundaries and to prioritize myself?
Are you traumatized? Fatherless?
Be honest. once you're in the friend zone, she will always see you as a friend and nothing more . Dump your female friend and go on to another woman.
"Dumb your female friend"
Why dumb a friend? You really hate women that much?
Or you hate friendships?
The only way to get out of the friendzone is to gather the courage. Say your truth and if she doesnt like it, then move on. Female friends are high maintenance and most of them are really one sided. Women don't cherish their male friends as much as their male friends cherish them. It gives them power and they love that.
The truth is I used very poor judgment when the woman I met put me in the friend zone. I met the woman on an online dating site . Her name was Lisa, and she lived 18 blocks from my house. After our first date, she told me she liked me as a friend. She was so attractive that I kept seeing her, hoping to win her over . Five years later, we were still only friends. It was my fault that I wasted five years of my life chasing her. Don't be like me , please don't be a simp.
I learned my lesson. I was hoping that by writing down my story , other men would see themselves and wake up to this fact :the woman you are chasing after will never see you as anything more than a friend. I know I should have known better, but over the years, I have learned that movies and television are works of fiction. When a woman tells you she doesn't like you " that way," believe her.
@@martinbrewi7323Not matter,,Treat her goodly, She will regret after merrige.
“When engaging the enemy know your enemy” -art of war
I may be wrong and there will be exceptions to what I am about to say, but most relationships that start with friendship are usually the ones that last a lifetime. The reason for that is you didn't just jump right in with someone based off of their looks. As friends, you start to hangout, you know what each other likes, you vibe together. So even when you become lovers, the friendship remains and it becomes a beautiful relationship where you know the person inside and out.
This is absolutely true and why you can throw out any or all advice given by any female about how to get them. I met my wife as a friend, had no expectations of it proceeded to anything else. Then it just blossomed into romance. Had zero control over it doing so, did absolutely nothing to “make her like me”, or “win her over”, it just happened. If you start out as friends first you can literally break every romantic rule women set up for men which are usually illogical, contradictory, or even an impossible standard to live up to.
@@joshuaalexander3248 Wow your story sounds so beautiful. I wish you and your wife all the happiness in the world!
Yeah, that should be common logic. The problem is that it isn't.
@@joshuaalexander3248 I see what you’re saying, but the thing is that worked because you were not trying to pursue her constantly and you was doing your thing
@@jasencadet12
But then, do people in the friend zone pursue someone constantly anyway? If you do that, you aren't really friends.
"I would just never want to lose your friendship." You just did, sweetypants.
True, but it’s also important to note that kissing the ground someone walks on can create a lot of pressure on that person to reciprocate. Not only a turnoff, but honestly anxiety inducing.
I always tell people that I express interest in that "I don't kiss your feet and I don't kiss your ass." They don't always like that but I agree with you.
I struggled with women for YEARS - mainly due to overthinking. If you're just average looking realize it's a numbers game and dumb luck for the most part, be forward but be a gentleman, if she's not interested just forget her and move on. If you put too much emphasis in a woman you're not in a relationship with yet that's when friend zone happens because some women can sense you are overinvested and will string you along to take advantage.
No labels, if you're average/above average/ below average, it applies to everyone.
Leave it women only want top 10%
Every guy has sexual interest in a woman. They just don't see it. At this point, I wonder if the best strategy is to treat them like crap, or at least like you have no interest and can live without them. Women seem to desire what they can't get.
Not what they can't get, they like a challenge
I learned that long ago. Treat a woman well and she loses interest. Treat them like crap and they beg at your feet. It's an Isaiah 5:20 thing.
nooo, see it has nothing to do with showing intentions or not, pay attention to the second point this woman stated, "being easy make you look less valuable in her eyes", many nice guys who take the friendship route already think the woman they re courting is the best, the queen, an oasis in a desert, a pink diamond and a lot of qualities she probably doesnt even has, and at the same time the guys treat themselves as worthless, women arent dumb and they can know if you re into the them since the first second they meet you.
I have tried this, and the results are disgusting. I tried it for about a week or two, in one of my classes. I had the girls after me like mfs. Then, I let out my true self, because I felt uncomfortable with all the attention. Girls are disgusting, in that way. As soon as you are YOU, they don't like it. They only want dangerous abusive narcissistic jerks. Period.
Lots of women are attracted by guys that kind of treat them like shit.
The silver lining is, these women are only good for sex and that's it. So, if you want more than that, you're not missing out on much.
This works both ways and remember that guys never get compliments.
Take initiative. That's how you end up in jail
exactly its harassment if you are not attractive
All of this only works if she is interested you in the first place. Shoot your shot and move on.
Bro do you even lawyer?
‘Murica
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1. if you attractive and rich, rules do not apply.
2. if you are not rule one, good luck.
Or just attractive. Many women lust after broke men. Even gold diggers will have real lust. It's strange. Always remain cautious, boys.
Spot on! Simple and accurate.
She speaks fluent womanese, also a great interpreter
Right, it’s impossible advice from a woman’s perspective. Thanks for the lecture lady.
Womanese, lol good one. She's betraying women to get views. She's as bad as all of them
@@jamesbroucek8186 she ain't betraying no one, she's being a professional creating good content.
@@spiderwebbmarketing you're just a simp
@@jamesbroucek8186he is "bad" for telling you to put boundaries and to priorize yourself?
Is she is a "bad" woman, then whats a "good" woman?
I was friend zoned. A few years later she married me. That was 35 years ago. She’s right, make your intentions known. Friend zone sucks. Better to move on.
A few years is years more chance than most women give.
I can't stop laughing. It's all about how you LOOK. If you aren't handsome, you can try to "hit on her", you'll get labeled as a "creep". If you are not hitting on her, and try to be "friends", sure, she'll friendzone you.
Now, if you are handsome and you "hit on her", great, she'll accept gladly. If not, and you are friendly, trust me, you WON'T get friendzoned, she will hit on you.
Your forgetting you need to be 6 ft w/ millions of dollars and have a body like a WWE wrestler
You're right to an extent, but so is she, when it comes to giving guys a chance to break out of that friendzone/not be put in there in the first place.
@@immune18 Correct. Most men will be friend zoned 99.999999% of the time. The key is do not let her put you there, just bounce. You will never et out.
That's an answer that an ungodly uncivilized heathen would say and you're all going to be judged by what you say and do I hope you understand that you may not believe in God but you will before you know the next 20 30 40 years is up I can promise you that you're wrong I've taken human psychology and other classes is part of my engineering classes at a very highly respected engineering class A School. And no person that is a logical thinker thinks the way you do only some deluded teenager with the mind of a cat
This is the reality we live in
From guy to guy, if she ever puts you in the friendzone clearly (aka I don't like you like that you're just a friend to me)... raise the bar on her, don't give her easy access to you and go make a new friend... If she aint ride or die with you... she don't deserve you as a friend anyway.
Yeah this actually happened to me 3 days ago. We were hanging out having a good time. We walked on the beach I made her laugh I bought lunch for both of us. We hung out for 8 hours that day talking about shit and having a good time. We've known each other since middle school. I finally asked her out and she paused. Then she explained how of a nice guy I was and how I treated her with kindness. She said she only sees me as a friend. Well that was the last time I hung out with her and talked to her. It definitely still hurts.
@@23mj57 She missed out bro, put her down from that pedestal she aint worth it. You'll find better.
@@23mj57yeah, you deserve better. Not putting her down. Just that there's a better match for you. You could also trying changing your approach. Experiment and see what works.
@@23mj57 Spending 8 hours together is apparently romance-free, if the man is paying. She used you for a free meal.
I married my female best friend. In order to do that, I had to have a best friend, date my best friend and then marry that best friend. If you want someone you’re not friends with, this advice works perfectly. If you want to establish a friendship after romance and watch that burn multiple times before succeeding, this advice works perfectly.
This is neither bad nor good advice, this is for “sigmas” and red-pillers. I’m neither Sigma nor Simp, so this isn’t advice I can use.
Am interested to know more about your relationship dynamic
@@jamesrellera6437 My wife and I met in 2004, we were friends, we got married years later.
Currently we run multiple businesses together and while marriage as a whole isn’t *easy*, I love her more every day and she loves me.
Simple, right? If you want a simple solution, you can’t apply complicated solutions. I told her “I like you, let’s kick it,” she said “aight”. The rest is history.
For all the girls that didn’t wanna kick it, no problem: you just made my life easier. I can’t focus on who and what matters most.
@@DaChefBoi Did you make the first move to establish a relationship, or how did you do it? I got friendzoned quite hard, even though I liked the girl in the beginning and vice versa.
@@dietrichrosiers8184 I absolutely made the first move…then again, I always made the first move.
There are some women that weren’t on the same page as I was, they just wanted a “really close guy friend” and I’ll be honest and say I don’t have ANY “real close” female friends, never have. So, if you just want a friend, call me when you need me, but I’m taking my talents to South Beach with a fly hunnie that wants more than a “really close guy friend”.
If she “friend zoned” you, she’s not worth your romantic attention. Not sure what your views are on having friends you were once romantically interested in, but I’m not for it…so my energy goes away from that situation….keeps things neat and tidy.
@@DaChefBoi That's a very fair assessment. It also avoids the problem of holding on to hope for her to 'change her mind' as time goes on. We could ask ourselves whether they were really friends in the first place.
This is also true but living in the US and UK also drastically increase your chances of constantly ending up in the friendzone, so level up and get out!!!
Or it could be that woman are generally unapporachable anymore with the feminism and screaming harassment when a guy barely glances as hes walking by
Stop with the bullshit. This never happens in real life, only in your sad fantazy. If feminism is your excuse to never walking up to a woman then perhaps you don't deserve one.
The more I think about the term friendzoned is not because there's something wrong with the guy. It's the girl. The girl thinks of herself too highly. She's too high maintenence. She's overvalued herself. The only things a women should be concerned about a guy is will he treat me good; will he be a good husband and father; and will he be a good provider and stick with through thick and thin? Nothing else should matter. His height, looks, money, and sexual prowess don't matter if he's an a hole. Same goes with women. Men want loyalty and we don't care what you look like or what you do if you treat us like garbage.
But also…. No one is obligated to date anyone.. man or woman. Sometimes someone not being interested in you has nothing to do with YOU.
I was hung up on an ex for years, and even though I had offers from other men during that time- I genuinely wasn’t interested because my heart was stuck on someone else. I didn’t believe any guy deserved a girl whose heart wasn’t really in it. Then there’s people who are working on their issues and aren’t ready to date, or people recovering from addictions, trying to get out of debt, trying to get an education, making sure they’re healthy enough for a relationship, etc.
So, it’s not always that women or men even think of themselves too highly. People have lots of reasons not to immediately want a relationship with someone. Men and women.
@ClaireAyers I agree with you in part. I wasted years on someone too. Then I realized why am I doing this when I could have been with someone. I'm not a person who wants to be single nor do I want constant friendship because those who swore to always be there left because they wanted someone. People have issues and baggage because of their past. Man and woman aren't meant to be alone and single it's not in their genetics. Infatuation fools you. You don't pick someone with the butterflies and the spark. This fades fast. You choose to be with someone and share their company with what they bring amd add to what you already have.
@@ray_dorian888 yes but initial attraction is often needed for both parties to be deeply interested in the long term. Many young people quit relationships thinking they’re supposed to always have a spark- mature people realize you build longevity and stability over time
@ClaireAyers Yes, there needs to be the initial spark which could be found in anything. But I know girls do friendzone for many reasons. Many of them are tests and games they play to see if you'll bite or are interested and how far you're willing to go. They also use this because you can get more from many guys in the zone than from one committed. For me, you have to have inner beauty and character. A 10 body won't get anyone very far. It's learning and loving every day and growing into something. Friends first and see what happens.
Communication and time spent are mandatory.
“Start showing sexual interest! Grow a pair and take initiative!”
*Well I’m in prison now, so thanks for that.*
Exactly. Accept the risk of rejection and make your intentions known from the start. Fortune favours the bold
Which is why shyness in men is a mental illness.
Here it is broken down in a sentence or two. If you like her/find her attractive, don’t be her friend. Don’t be friends with women.
Be friends with women, but only the ones you want NOTHING from.
“She won’t notice you down there”
Such a powerful line I felt that
If she puts you in the friendzone and she knows you like her more than a friend, she is your enemy, not a friend.
Leave her dumbass and completely walk out of her life without hesitation. Do not look back.
If you dont value yourself, how do you expect to be valued by anyone else?
That is the nice guy mentality being friends with a woman so she sleeps with you is wrong I tried that on my crush and now I'm friends with him because he's genuinely chill remembering that makes me feel like I should be arrested (14f)
@@Puffco716-vk5uf
Lady or Man whatever you are.
There are proper ways to form a relationship that is beneficial and fulling for both parties. Starting a relationship over lust doesnt work out for the best in the long run especially for females.
I suppose a long fullfiling relationship that leads to marriage and companionship is way worse than having broken relationships and a bunch of kids out of Wedlock and being a single parent.
What this "girl" just described is describing low quality females who will be used and abused. Life is better with stability and longevity not the immature mindset of chasing fleeting excitement continuously.
If you doubt me take a look at which women marry and settle down with a loving family and who remain single or have a bunch of kids without any commitment and husbands 😂
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Since my last reply was deleted I'll keep it short.
What that "child" just described will lead to pain and stress.
It will not lead to a fulfilling relationship that will result in a great marriage and companionship.
The women who follow that advice will either end up alone and or will be single mothers without any true happiness in their life
Its because we are attempting to explain something with words that isn't verbal in nature socializing isn't an intellectual thing it has a lot more to do with your vibe and how u come off then what u say or do exactly but the more we try to define it with language the more reduce and constrain it to the bullet points that may or may not apply with the individual your dealing with
One thing I was never called was the "nice guy". If a women isn't interested in having a relationship WALK AWAY, another girl will be along in a NY minute.
There is nothing wrong with being a girl's friend first. My gf of 4 years was my friend first. We knew each other by association (we shared a friend) for about 6 months then we actually started getting to know one another for about 2 months then we started dating. The problem with being friends first is some guys are friends for wayyyy too long. If you're close friends with a female for more than like 4-6 months without showing any sexual interest you've fucked up. I know its weird and its hard to make that transition from friends to dating without ruining the friendship, but it's a chance you have to take my friend.
Exactly if you’re interested in her romantically show intent but just don’t come off too strong or too forward show interest don’t be pretend to be her friend if you’re intentions are to date her and be in a relationship with her because it’s different then just being friends vs being in a sexual committed relationship but if you come off as a friend then that’s what you come off as she won’t know or can’t read you’re mind if that’s all you wannabe be to her is just a friend
@Adrian Chico but women expect us men to read their mind though.
That's completely different, if she really was your friend first.
Meanwhile the advice is if she's not showing she's into you in the first 4-6 MINUTES, move on.
@@adrianchico8886that seems deceptive though, I'm supposed to hide my true intentions for some time in hopes it improves my chances over time? Nah.
We're on a hookup app, and she messaged me first, she's not asking for cooking advice lol.
You don't shop for groceries at the DMV and you don't hit on women to make friends.
I'm talking to you because I'm physically attracted to you, KNOW THAT and know it's the ONLY reason I'm talking to you, because there ARE other things I'd rather be doing.
The only reason I'd make time to spend with someone is I like them. I don't spend time with people I don't like and you're a dumbfuck if you do.
Always ask is what you're doing right now serve YOUR goals, and if not STOP DOING IT.
“Start showing sexual interest!”
Me: “Hey so we’ve been friends for while. And I don’t wanna overstep my boundaries, but I think perhaps we could be something m-“
**Gets Immediately Blocked**
I tried to move out of the friend zone by ceasing hiding my feelings. She ended our friendship via a text.
You at least got a text. I got the silent treatment ever since.
'Have you ever heard the line 'you're such a great guy'?', no because I'm a prick, so the answer is already no. 😂😂😂
That's the way to avoid "the friendzone" wtf are friends anywY
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I will just ignore any woman
Attraction is not negotiable, is not a choice, doesn’t matter if you are her friend, if she likes you, she will make things happen, if not, not 🤷🏿♂️
Really simplifies it, yet it isn't always the case, emotions are a spectrum, how you express those emotions to people or any at all is what determines weither you want more or not.
Relationships for any to be relevant, has to have some vulnerability, if neither party invests in being vulnerable with the other party, then there is no relationship, just a transaction.
If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its a duck.
If you look like her friend and act like her friend, youre just the friend. Lol
💯 percent truth. Lotsa guys need to hear that
Here’s the short to a youtube short. “Don’t have female friends”
Or have female friends because you want to BE friends with us, not because you wanna fuck us.
I mean, you can have friends who are women. Just dont be a womans friend solely to weasel in and get with her.
Sheesh! Sexist much?
Already been doing that for 16 years 💪😎🤏
Or, don't have attractive female friends (though ugly ones are usually better in bed).
You don't have to become 10 times more attractive to people who actually understand that you are a person who has value they should appreciate in the first place.
Women are so complicated but yet again it’s my fault
Because society told men to not listen
Billie spoke the real truth in who the real simps are. If you want to get out of the friendzoned, just be upfront about what you want in life and from her.
My boys. Fix your game. Show them you can get shit done. But let them come to you. Don't run to them to show them. Attraction means people come to you. If you're chasing someone, means their attractive force beat yours. Things will naturally gravitate to you without you having to force them. That is an indication you're doing it right.
No one style works for everyone. My Dad got a lot of girls be being very outgoing, and he still is. He will talk to a random women he passes by or meets at the store (it is a miracle he has never gotten the cops called on him lol).
He will get a random woman over to the house even in his 40s, not always for sex. Not how I do things, but it worked for him.
And moreover, he is much shorter than me. Go figure. Charisma goes a long way.
@@genericdeveloper3966 Your dad sounds like someone who can communicate thoughts and get in sync with other people. Thats a quality.
Not the rizz slang bs of new age.
Anyway, cheers, learn from the man.
This is literally what SHE said in the video.
But for some reason she gets hate from saying this, but you get praise??
@@Asiwnskit's great advice for men, but her advice to women is terrible and part of what's keeping things so f-ed up.
@@RobertMorgan Nah. Women make the best out of men if they do their job. The problem is we live in an age of chaos.
I had this issue, I appreciate billie for helping with this, i think i did pretty good considering its my first time in the dating makret, i established i didnt wish to be her friend, i created tension, i left the convos on high points i just showed my cards too early and made her the prize too quickly. I wanna slap myself looking back at it 😂
Billie; Excellent presentation and valuable tips! Yes, creating sexual tension is key. At the same time, I waste no time by asking her out right away, but only when I'm available. Of course, if we are going to a baseball or hockey game, has to be when the team is playing at home! Thank you!
I'm always bad at creating sexual tension.
This is really good advice. I spent most of my life friendzoning myself. I would be very "friendly" and then get upset when they didn't beg me to be their boyfriend lol You have to build legit confidence or you are gonna get in your own way. I still have chick friends but now i know the difference between a girl i like and "like like" haha Also, you can still be thoughtful and lovey and put women on pedestals a little bit lol you just have to discipline yourself so that you can be your own attractive man and a leader 1st. Sensitive dudes need the most discipline!
PS the whole friend zone thing usually means she's afraid of losing you but if you kind of make it apparent like walk away for instance and then she does lose you things change for her real quick
No mate a lot of the time it's because she's being smashed by aguy who's not emotionally available (because she's just a booty call) and thinks she can win him over with time. In the meantime she needs someone for emotional support so she will pretend to another guy that she's romantically interested but ''not ready yet''. It's because she is narcissistic and thinks she can compartmentalise people as if they are objects.
She's just using you.
Fun Fact: A lot of girls most of the time when they meet a super nice guy, they don’t wanna lose him as their friend so they soften the rejection by just including the word “friend” or saying “friendship.”
For example, when I confessed to my friend that I liked her, she softened her rejection towards me by saying “you are such a good friend, that’s sweet that you like me”
Don't confess to friends. You're just fueling their ego. Only be friends with those you don't find attractive.
"Confidence doesn't make average guys more attractive. It just makes women wonder where they got their delusional balls from."
Same for women. If you want me to be impressed with anything other than your looks, you're a man, and I want a feminine woman.
Who gives a shit, it obviously makes you more experienced in the long run. Your social intelligence was earned in a cereal box.
@@RobertMorgan True. A woman who is less attractive will give a man everything. Same with a less attractive man with a woman. I think of an example from Biy Meets World. Whilst Lauren was more attractive, Topanga was willing to give Cory everything.
What she says is on-point...especially when the guy is an 8 or higher. Otherwise, be prepared to take some rejection from time to time. But continue to work on yourself
This is the definition of a crazy woman lol
So the definition of a crazy woman is a woman that tells you to prioritize yourself and to set boundaries?
If she is a "crazy" woman, then what is a good woman, incel?
You males don't know what you want and make no sense
Exactly and she knows good and well if an average-looking guy stepped up and grew a pair to her she would still reject him
Men will follow all of this advice and it will still backfire one way or another. Damn social media
Being her friend is important as you want your would be girl friend to see you as someone she can trust and feel safe around, even better if you can make her feel special but flirting is important too witch is probably the main reason people get friend zoned. You need to be viewed as someone that's masculine, one way to do that is to take the lead on everything but without being controlling.
Good to know
I was always a friend to many beautiful women in my circle of trust when they were vulnerable
Taking advantage of that vulnerability was not on my menu
My pair are doing fine❤
“Take initiative”
Proceeds to be told ewww or be accused of sexual assault
Holy crap, you're absolutely right for once. I'm going to watch this 10 more times.
A chick that's actually into you, wants to be your friend. She simply not into you, period. Just move on..
I agree with the sexual thing thow. Stop hiding your intentions or interests. It really make no sense.
Straight up lol. Always best to be upfront right from the start. Because sometimes all she's looking for is to get her lights banged out lol and that's a fact,
Nah if you just want to be friends I'm not looking for friends, I'm only "friends" with you because I want to date you and if you don't want to date I have no reason to keep talking to you. I've gotten the line"I think I'd be too much for you" WAY more...explain that one
If you’re only being nice to someone because you want sex or a relationship from them…… that’s not being nice, that’s being manipulative.
As a realist I see it as I'm not going to waste my time on a friendship that's going to hurt me...I like you why would I want to stick around and watch you date other men?. How is it manipulative if I didn't manipulate you to do anything? It's your decision to not date me just like its my decision not to continue the friendship
@@TyrTheConquerorThis. Bro I'm sick of being told that if I'm nice to a woman I want to have sex with, I'm being manipulative. How does that make sense? I can't just be nice because I'm a nice person? As if desiring sex just makes me inherently bad LMAO a man is not a man if he isn't constantly craving sex.
@@kyleemeg2171never said being nice he said he wouldn't be friends if the intent of the other person was not to date because his intenet was not platonic friendship. You can be nice and cordial to people without becoming a part of their lives too. You took what he said and turned it I to something completely different. You just Cathy Newmaned this commenter.
@@guitarman0365 nah. If you’re only being nice to women in hopes that they sleep with you or date you…. That’s not being nice, that’s being manipulative. I said what I said, and it still stands. You should be able to be friends with someone without expecting more from that relationship. It’s called being JUST FRIENDS
And put with woman calling narcissistic the whooooooole time!!!!
So what I get from that is “ I am just her property and nothing else “ F that bullshit thank goodness I am not that 👌
Definitely don't want to be in a relationship with a woman that I'm not friends with. I want my wife to be my best friend, so we can truly be there for each other through thick and thin
Friendship usually comes with the relationship tho
The irony here fellas is that by doing what she says, you're changing for women and not yourself. If you truly want to "change" or become a "better man for women," stop simping over women and go out and live. Surive a challenge. Do something that forces you to adapt. Best of luck.
PS I am not telling anyone what to do. I just find it sad that many walk into her trap;)
Meanwhile Chad's and Tyrone's are thinking..." I didn't have to do anything she is saying...".
So you say the solution is to take the initiative and show that I desire her... But isn't that exactly why she answers with "You're such a great guy, but I don't wanna lose our friendship". I mean, why would she even say that if I don't take the initiative and show my interest? Am I crazy or does this make no fking sense at all
It makes perfect sense actually. What she’s saying is she doesn’t want to ruin the attention and favors she’s getting from you by having to offer you more. That’s all she’s saying. Ghost and walk away my man.
@@robertfootball1 are we talking about the same thing? You're mixing up the girl who posted the video with the hypothetical girl one is trying to date.
Here it is dumbed down for you:
Me interested in girl A.
Me TOOK INITIATIVE.
Me asked for a date.
Girl A said be friends.
Girl in video says to me: TAKE INITIATIVE.
Me says: I just did, that why girl A said be friends. She didn't just randomly say it, did she? It was an answer to something, it was an answer to ME TAKING INITIATIVE, THEN STOP TELLING ME TO TAKE THE INITIATIVE
@@iamspencerx they’re all the same thing, that’s the point I’m making. The girl in the video is no different than the hypothetical girl you mentioned.
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Totally valid perspective.
Most guys don't become friends with women and do favors for them out of the kindness of their hearts. If a guy tries to hide his true intentions this way, he diminishes his masculine energy, he loses self respect, and it signals to the woman he is low value.
and they wonder where did all the good men go ? LOL
There's nothing wrong with having women friends - as long as that is the intended relationship.
I agree with the saying that goes, 'don't follow dating and flirting advices from other women if you want to date women', but in this case I will say that Billie gives great advice because of the fact that she's traditional and got redpilled so she'll tell you the truth, although it's hard to swallow.
I do to women all the time😂 I friendzone them on purpose
@@Floridahehe As a left leaning woman that isn't sexist to me
@@Floridahehe I know but I just wanna make sure that I could be safe from (those guys)
Interesting to hear you're perspective. As a man, we aren't weaseling in. We're genuinely trying to form a relationship. "Growing a pair" is super accurate though. Not being direct is due to lack of self esteem. We're hoping you will see like us because "we're always there".
But I guess that is just men projecting what they want onto women. They don't seem to lack for support like we do. So it's just not as valuable to them.
Toxic advice
Well it applies to those kind of girls. Real men don’t want that crap
Like a beta would say. This is facts
@@NorthernSpartan what would a beta say exactly?
People calling others "beta" are the most beta people on the planet.
Setting boundaries and prioritizing yourself is "toxic advice"?
Then what is the "healthy" advice, more exactly??💀💀
Men☕️ don't make any sense and don't know what they want
There is nothing wrong with friend zone. It is much better than being her bf or f buddy.
After watching this short i am just loving the most complex topics of calculus 🌚💀
Broooooooo
I had an exam in complex calc today and have one about probability tomorrow... And that sheeeeet(being taught in foreign language) is still 100 times easier to understand ahhahahahaha
@@АндрейЦарьков-з8и can relate! 🥲
Ah yes, even more random variables to add to my dating advice list that definitely doesn't contradict everything I've already heard.
I get the beginning of what you are saying. It makes sense and that seems to be the way the world works (although I do think it's not very cool).
But the bit about why "being a shoulder she can cry on" puzzles me somewhat. I have found that being that person brings the results you describe. But I I don't see why it should. Why should being understanding and a good listener and giving her a hug be considered weakness? I know women do consider it weakness but it is a bit bizarre.
This would be good advice if women ever gave it to men in real life.
Realized this pretty quickly, last weekend i found out i'm doing something right, some girls actually noticed me even tho i'm not available, we overheard them talking within their own group debating whether or not they should ask us for the down n dirty. I have a girlfriend so i wouldn't act upon that but those things are a huge confidence booster.
This woman giving us pure Gold 🪙
More like fools Gold
@@anthonyjordanmoviesandmore2470nah you ez. Without any goals
Urgh, yes this has been me almost all my life, but I went through a period of doing what you said and then got accused of being sleezy and creepy, being too interested too quickly, when showing sexual interest. How do I judge it right!
Women confuse sexual attraction and love. Ladies, that's not how it works.
I wish more knew this honestly, they believe sex equates to romance
When romance just equates to desire.
You can desire anyone in any way it doesn't necessarily mean it has to be just sexually, which is what can be within romance.
@@Yusa_Beach Ooga booga terms:
Love = Romance
Lust = Desire/Sexual attraction.
Don't confuse lust and love.
Hookups are lustful, not loveful.
Just because 300 players/hoes line up to hookup with oneself; DOES NOT mean oneself is marriage material.
@@AnonymousApexio Why do you place desire in just the Lust category?
You're not wrong, but you can desire someone and not want them sexually.
I think you should place the desire in the Romance category and leave the sexual in just the lust.
@@Yusa_Beach We are talking about different types of desires, there is actually two, emotional desire, which is what you're talking about, and sexual desire, which is what I was talking about, which is why I put "desire" with lust. Because USUALLY when you "desire" someone it's sexually. Not romantically. Usually. But it can be romantically where it then is emotional. But when you see someone for the first time, the inherent part of you that is attracted to them originally is sexual desire. And societal constructs push you to "get to know the person" which then translates to "emotional desire". Which is also what makes you go long term with that person. So none of us is wrong, it's just two different things.
@@AnonymousApexio Pretty much, Well put
That's all well and good and makes perfect sense. But how do you avoid the friend zone after a first date with someone, for whom you've made it obviously clear you're attracted to baeed on the fact that you actually asked her out on a dinner date or you met up aftrr selecting each other on a dating site, lol? I've been in a serious relationship for exactly a year, and I've had my share of past relationships and even a marriage over the past 30 years of dating. But, especially in recent years, I and a lot of high value men i know, have dealt with a lot of first date friend zonings, lol
I get where a lot of the sentiment comes from with saying "a friend and nothing more", but being a true friend isn't necessarily something lesser, sometimes it's not "more", it's just different. Good, solid friendships are valuable, too.
But I do get it; if you're wanting a romantic/sexual relationship, then anything other than that feels like a failure.
Sometimes I would like to go back in time but nahh whatever...she speaks the truth.
I love when you say the first ward and I adore it to the end~
'Take initiative' - Yeah, that's pretty much how you catch a restraining order nowadays.
You can be it all. Makes you more valuable than either of these things will do individually. Value your woman, BE her best friend, lover, main supporter and protector. She's not really wrong, but she's also not really right.
And here’s me and my guy who were best buddies before we got engaged 😂. I personally wanted a man that I could truly be friends with first before all the romantic stuff. Now I have the best of both worlds. We’ve been married for almost 5 years now ❤.