One mon I think would be really interesting to do next is Clefable. Clefable is one of only two evolution lines that are in the fast level up group, so unlike Starmie you'll be able to level up fast in the early game, decent special at 85, amazing movepool, and it's also going to be a *very* unique Brock fight, since your best way of damaging Brock would be to use Metronome.
i did a clefable run, and got surf against geodude and mega drain against onix XD thunder on starmie. the metronome gods were smiling upon me. may they smile upon JROSE as well
Unique perhaps, but... not a very encouraging prospect. If the best way to do damage is via metronome, then it essentially means that the Brock fight will be a complete lottery. Clefable is going to be horrifically inconsistent (and/or just slow, since its only other option is Doubleslap) in the early game. Much like Starmie, most of its good movepool is locked behind TMs that are not available in the early game, though unlike Starmie it has the advantage of STAB Mega Punch and Body Slam to look forward to (Atk is 70, so those moves will at least be usable). It's also worth noting that 85 Special is noticeably lower than Starmie's 100, and Clefable's speed is 60, nearly half that of Starmie's. We'll just have to see how much the fast level rate and Mega Punch/Body Slam make up for these deficiencies, but I doubt Clefable will break into the top 10.
Actually, there are three evolution lines in Gen. 1 in the fast level up group: Clefairy/Clefable, Jigglypuff/Wigglytuff, and Chansey. (Unless you don't count Chansey as an evolution line.)
Starmie did as I expected it to do: starting off whack until it escapes starter move hell and then roflstomping when it gets the necessary TMs. I love Starmie so much.
I’ve never gotten what’s supposed to be so great about Starmie. It has nice coverage sure but just looking at its stats is so… mediocre for a Mon that is talked about quite highly.
@@hotschokolade4265 For competitive sure, its stats are mediocre. But for solo runs, speed and attacking power mattered more so Starmie looked like a good prospect. Plus in Generation 1, the special stat was both your sp def and sp att so Starmie's 100 in the special counted for more.
@@hotschokolade4265 I think it's because people expected it would do great against Brock, and in late game. Which it did. It also has a great movepool. Sadly it struggles too much midgame, and I suspect most people didn't know its in the slow level up group.
@@harshivmahajan5311 You know thinking about it I kinda can see the comparison with a struggling home team that clearly has some potential but will need all the support it can get to barely drag itself over the finish line. Now Starmie reminds me of Schalke, actually :)
If Starmie has confusion, it would’ve gone better since confusions base power is 60 and stab vs water guns 40 and stab If Starmie had psychic, it would’ve placed far higher on the tier but not catch up to Mewtwo The reason is simple: it is in the slow lv up group like Mewtwo. So it would in theory be around the same lv as it when it faces the E4 but Starmies stats are worse than Mewtwos so it couldn’t outperform it
Man I have been absolutely loving this month of Jrose. You helped me get through a period where I had a bad back and couldnt move at all. These videos are so soothing to me and very entertaining.
@@TwoCatsInLondon Haha, Im all better now, I just remember about half a year ago when it was really bad I found the channel and binged the whole series.
How you've made every video in the month of Jrose top quality deserves some recognition! Absolutely love your work! Once you've finished the regular season, you ever think about rerunning the top 5 or 10 pokemon (maybe the top 5 on each chart possibly including a couple you feel ought to have been there), and having a playoff season?? (just throwing the idea here, not trying to coerce you with a donation!)
I first came across you from the Magikarp run. Wild you're still at it with basically every pokemon from every series. Look forward to going through more of these.
Diverse move pool look but I it struggle for two factors: Stat wise, low defenses/hp and speed And the fact it had no stab outside or hyper beam, which Jrose never gets for good reason Due to no stab, it won’t be one shotting any of the E4’d Pokémon outside of badge boost It also some last long without reflect and/or recover. Imo, psychic will be a staple move for its special drop and Agatha Rival wise, rival 5 will be trouble under leveled Starter wise, the most challenging one will be Venusaur due to razor leaf but they all have a weakness to a move Porygon can learn Imo charizard will be the easiest
Bummer that Starmie missed the top tier. I thought it could've had an AMAZING run being a special attacker in Gen 1 with its movepool coverage. I guess the fact Starmie's moveset without TMs being non-existent was a huge problem in the end...or the BEGINNING I should say.
that's what sets it appart from something like blastoise. it takes too long to get stuff they need, when they need it. it gets some amazing stuff, but by the time they do, it has already wasted too much time.
above nugget bridge there is mt thunder wave it would be amazing against lt surge and grass trainer near and in rock tunnel, also harden for the badge boost glitch is too valuable to eliminate, you don't need water move in the end game blizzard thunderbolt and psychic are enough
If game freak listened to me, switch mode would be gone. Items would be limited to 5 per battle (which I would give every ai trainer). Gym leaders would all be able to be battled in any order with scaling teams, gyms would not be monotype but instead strategy based. All battles in gyms would be double battles. The list goes on.
Man this tier list is throwing everyones predictions to the wind. Nidoqueen beating nidoking, blastoise dominating venusaur and even gengar, and now starmie cant even break top 10. This is the wildest ride on youtube since dragon ball z abridged.
Long time watcher of the series, I would love to see you finish gen 1 Gen 2 is lack luster for me But Gen 3 runs are amazing because of improved AI and balancing Keep up the good work Also, no double feature for nidos I think I speak for all of your subscribers when I say we like the consistency you’ve been keeping as of late but I know you can’t keep it up forever Great work man
Man, Jrose, if you had asked me 6years ago if you’d still be doing this same challenge, and I wouldn’t have believed it. Thanks for the long years of wonderful content; and I’m so glad I’ve been watching since your first magikarp run(which turns out is impossible.) Here’s my official suggestion; I’d like to see a golem/machamp run.
I've been waiting for this for a long time. I dont personally feel disappointed, even if it isnt in top 5 or whatever Starmie still did very well, including first trying the elite 4 (albeit there were a lot of clutch critical hits).
hey Jrose. love the vids. I've noticed that you keep saying that your pokemon don't deal more damage despite you leveling them up quite often. If you weren't aware, damage rounding is an accidental mechanic that means that only levels that end with a 0, 3, 5 or 8 will increase your damage, both physical and special. as an example, Starmie in this video at level 17 wouldnt actually deal more damage than level 15, but would at level 18.
Well technically the way the damage rounding works is that you barely do more damage per level unless your level ends in 0, 3, 5, or 8. So technically he is doing more damage but it's not really noticeable compared to if Starmie was level 18. At the very least the slight bulk increase helps... kind of
No, your attacking stats go up as shown. If you didn't know, what level you are also factors into your damage calculations in RBY. Due to the way the game rounds numbers, that means that levels ending in 0, 3, 5, and 8 gets you a much more substantial boost to damage then if you were at another level. Pretty screwy stuff!
@Bryan Duncan I'm talking about the times he comes back to a fight at a slightly higher level and says that he didn't notice an increase in damage, not about losing the badge boost glitch via level up. Regardless it doesn't really impact much and the videos are still enjoyable to watch, just wanted to inform him that damage rounding thresholds exist in case he reads it.
Really loving the month of videos. I've been waiting for it since you announced it. Just in case you haven't noticed yet, you entered starmie's level as 58 instead of 59 in the rankings chart. I personally don't think it's a big deal, just thought I would mention it in case the level difference does effect later rankings.
I believe the Pokemon anime actually makes a great point about stone evos in the episode “Electric Shock Showdown”. Surge evolved his Raichu early, which ultimately does him in during the rematch because Pikachu, despite being weaker, has a more diverse level-up movepool early on.
That was suppose to be the original tradeoff of stone evolutions. Gamefreak wanted to introduce a at will power spike but with the drawback of potientially falling off due to move restrictions. So you either get a temporary boost or a gym you're struggling with but reduced late-game power or you wait with a terrible 1st stage until you get to the elite 4
... Then they made level-up movesets mostly complete trash and made TMs super busted and early available so you barely have a reason to level them beyond like, level 30 or something.@@SkyNinja759
Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but this video really feels like you went in with the mindset that Starmie was going to disappoint and you fulfilled your own expectations. Starmie absolutely destroyed the late game but you still approached literally every battle by saying how it was going to struggle and even when it would one-shot an entire lineup you would say, "If only it was a higher level, it could do so much better here." My dude, it is already crushing it. Hope you can be a little more enthusiastic about other Pokemon in the future cause I usually really like your videos and this was a bit painful to watch
I think Starmie is good within the normal context of receiving it, when you can start with Staryu and then evolve it into Starmie. Otherwise that limited movepool is rough.
This would be an interesting follow up series, where he lets the natural evolutions occur (maybe even allow strategic evolution planning for getting moves sooner and what not 🤷♂️) it would also be much shorter and maybe even easier.
I deadass want to buy a Kadabra plush and mail it to you. It's a thanks for giving us good content all these years. The month of Jrose11 bonus month?!?
Many people nitpicking this run but thanks for taking the time to do it regardless of the results. Its all a subjective list at the end of the day and just a fun experiment to see how most pokemon compare in a loose sense! And as always, its a treat to watch/listen to the runs as the list takes shape. Looking forward to more!
I already knew that Starmie wasn't going to rival Mewtwo because of Misty, and I didn't even think about its levelling group. I know there's only so much time in the day, but I think it would be interesting to see how well a Pokemon would do if it had the best possible moveset from the start.
With their best movesets, most of the "Not Mewtwo" tier would be, at the very least, rivaling Mewtwo's time (specially when JRose later made an under two hours run with Mewtwo) and the top five would probably be under 3 hours (and maybe a few of the lower mons would give us a nice surprise). In fact, I can see mons like Charizard going up a tier, so to speak, and rivaling the times of its siblings Venusaur and Blastoise. And Mew would be fighting with Mewtwo for "best time ever". Probably WON'T beat her child, but it would be a close competitor. Same with Alakazam. The main problem Mew had was Brock, because it didn't have any attack that wasn't resisted.
Considering how much the slow growth rate slowed some Pokemon, I wonder how Clefable would do who doesn't have exciting stats but does have the fast growth rate. Unlike Chansey, you have a Brock answer right from the beginning with Metronome which has a pretty good chance for hitting any of the gazillion of weaknesses of Rock/Ground Pokemon. Just too bad you don't allow evasion moves at all even when the Pokemon learns it naturally, but even without Minimize it would be interesting I think. I'm not expecting Clefable to reach the top at all, but it would be interesting to see how Clefable would fare compared to Starmie.
I'm not too stressed about the "luck" on Surge, you also could've gotten a crit, which, with Starmies base speed is a good 18-20% right? Hell, even two Thundershocks you could've survived, I'd say it was a good 50/50 chance to win that fight
I gotta see kingler. Crabhammer always being a crit and 95 power. Even off like 60 special that's 190 power which is similar to gen 1 explosion plus stab. And it has a crazy high attack stat which means body slam, double edge, even vicegrip early on will be very strong and you can badge boost with harden (if not swords dance I forget) for your physical moves
it’s a strong move but not that close to gen 1 explosion levels of power tho bc gens 1-4 the defence stat of the target pokemon gets halved for the purposes of explosion n self destruct damage
@@tornadotyler123 crabhammer is base 90 in rby, not 95. crit + stab reaches approx equivalent to 270. rby boom is 170, but cuts the opponents defence stat in half. crab doesn’t come close. check it in smogon damage calc inputting a mew with both moves against a regular psychic type mew (chosen bc equal offensive n defensive stats) with mew’s typing set to water. boom does 60.5-71.2, crit crabhammer isn’t even a guaranteed 2hko at 46.8-55.3% damage E: for self destruct u are correct i misread yr reply mb, it would v marginally outdo a non stab selfdestruct. that said the only selfdestruct user that doesn’t get explosion is lax which gets stab so it’s kinda academic
@@zosonte129 What... Of course it's good to play through the actual game from start to finish, what are you even saying? It's a Water Pokemon, just like one of your Starter choices, has a dual typing of Psychic (one of the better Types in Gen 1), has good stats and good coverage. This is a challenge video where you try to complete the game with only ONE Pokemon - which is not how you're *actually* supposed to play through the *actual* game from start to finish either to begin with (as evidenced by needing HM slaves in his party, the clearly the game wants you to actually have more than one Pokemon anyway). Otherwise Starmie is generally a staple in most playthroughs whenever it becomes available to the player, and once it is available, it usually just carries you from that point. As evidenced by the E4 there which was honestly a joke with how disgustingly easy it was for not-even-an-overlevelled Starmie.
Definitely overestimated Starmie since I had no idea it was in a slower level up group and overestimated Badge boosts, though surprised it didn't need badge boosts for most of the run. Honestly really curious how good Poliwhirl will be with hypnosis luck now, though I still think it'll struggle against Agatha. Blastoise was definitely the most surprising this month and may not be surpassed, but who knows?
My experience with Starmie was incredibly different to yours. I feel you set yourself up for a worse run by expecting it not to live up to expectations. My Starmie run outperformed everything except a Poliwrath that it roughly tied. It beat out Gengar and all the legendary birds. Haven't done an Alakazam run or a Blastoise run, but not expecting either of those to be significantly better than Starmie. I also didn't even use Rare Candies until after Lance, and I'm not convinced I needed all nine either. Outside of a few Geodude in Mt Moon I even managed to keep to minimum battles.
I am sorry to say this but Jrose here shows an incredible bias against Starmie. I dont understand why, maybe because so many people told him it would be so good, and he wants to prove otherwise. But not getting it to top 10 after 3:25 and level 58 is just ridiculous. Compare it to a top 5 pokemon like Hypno, for example.
Starmie finished just a few mins outside those top 10 times and at under level 60. Its a Pokemon that crushed the elite 4 without badge boosts. Which should count for more considering the early struggles.
I will not stand for the anti-starmie propaganda. You’re making it out like it struggled through the early game miserably, when you beat everything with fairly minimal issue. Your ranking is highly flawed. Starmie is one of the best Pokémon in gen 1 due to its incredibly high speed, psychic typing, good special, good move pool. End of story.
I've been playing Gen 1 from it's release and I only just now realised that the sprite for your character upon entering a battle is standing up. I always thought he was sitting down but I now see that what I thought was his leg is actually his arm, ready for battle. It makes so much sense but I'll probably never unsee my 25 years of imagining that the player is sitting down.
"The outrageous thing is that Lorelei decided to heal instead of knocking out my Starmie" I have two explanations for that. 1: This is what Good AI decided would be the optimal move. 2: She really wanted to see the Surge of the Elite Four get humiliated yet again, but was contractually obligated to make it look like she was trying to beat you. No other explanation will be accepted.
Kingler will be a fun watch. The one problem I see is that it only learns Normal attacks for physical, so Agatha will be a problem with her high Special Ghosts.
Yay, thanks for doin Starmie Jrose!. I'm not disappointed, maybe a little surprised, but still really enjoyed seeing my old favorite special attacker shit stomp some late game competition.
That part at the end where Starmie goes wild on crits is like it could hear the chants and cheers of its legions of fans from the JRose comment section…😢
One run that would be really cool would be the difference between perfect IVs and the worst IVs. See how much worse everything goes when your starter Pokémon is the runt of the litter.
Jrose, you mention that hypothetically if Starmie had psychic to begin with that it may have kept up with Mewtwo. It would be cool to have a category to test theories like this one!
One mon I think would be really interesting to do next is Clefable. Clefable is one of only two evolution lines that are in the fast level up group, so unlike Starmie you'll be able to level up fast in the early game, decent special at 85, amazing movepool, and it's also going to be a *very* unique Brock fight, since your best way of damaging Brock would be to use Metronome.
i did a clefable run, and got surf against geodude and mega drain against onix XD thunder on starmie. the metronome gods were smiling upon me. may they smile upon JROSE as well
Unique perhaps, but... not a very encouraging prospect. If the best way to do damage is via metronome, then it essentially means that the Brock fight will be a complete lottery. Clefable is going to be horrifically inconsistent (and/or just slow, since its only other option is Doubleslap) in the early game. Much like Starmie, most of its good movepool is locked behind TMs that are not available in the early game, though unlike Starmie it has the advantage of STAB Mega Punch and Body Slam to look forward to (Atk is 70, so those moves will at least be usable). It's also worth noting that 85 Special is noticeably lower than Starmie's 100, and Clefable's speed is 60, nearly half that of Starmie's.
We'll just have to see how much the fast level rate and Mega Punch/Body Slam make up for these deficiencies, but I doubt Clefable will break into the top 10.
Actually, there are three evolution lines in Gen. 1 in the fast level up group: Clefairy/Clefable, Jigglypuff/Wigglytuff, and Chansey. (Unless you don't count Chansey as an evolution line.)
@@SomeGuy712x Well Chansey *would* be ranked on the list of fully-evolved pokemon either way.
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Starmie did as I expected it to do: starting off whack until it escapes starter move hell and then roflstomping when it gets the necessary TMs. I love Starmie so much.
Seeing Starmie's time is like watching your home team fumble in a big game
I’ve never gotten what’s supposed to be so great about Starmie. It has nice coverage sure but just looking at its stats is so… mediocre for a Mon that is talked about quite highly.
@@hotschokolade4265 For competitive sure, its stats are mediocre. But for solo runs, speed and attacking power mattered more so Starmie looked like a good prospect. Plus in Generation 1, the special stat was both your sp def and sp att so Starmie's 100 in the special counted for more.
@@hotschokolade4265 I think it's because people expected it would do great against Brock, and in late game. Which it did. It also has a great movepool. Sadly it struggles too much midgame, and I suspect most people didn't know its in the slow level up group.
@@harshivmahajan5311 You know thinking about it I kinda can see the comparison with a struggling home team that clearly has some potential but will need all the support it can get to barely drag itself over the finish line.
Now Starmie reminds me of Schalke, actually :)
@@hotschokolade4265 the biggest potential on Schalke is Reis. Our beloved trainer. He is missed
Dear goodness, it’s finally here. I have big hopes for Starmie! Thanks so much Jrose for this series! This series has been so much fun for so long!
He finally did it! The MVP of all Pokémon runs finally fights for its rightful place.
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I didn't realize it's starting moves were so lackluster. I was definitely in the Starmie is a contender camp.
I think the learn set rebalance in later Gen’s helped Starmie a lot. Would be interesting if anyone ever replicates these runs in Gen 3 or later
@@Xpwnxage why? Even Starmie’s bass stats are faaaaar below Mewtos? A 50 difference in special is a lot bro…
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I didn't see Starmie struggling so much. Would be interesting to see how much stronger it could be if it started with confusion
It would run into the same problem if it did.
@@YOSSARIAN313 Not at all. The early game grass types would be greatly mitigated because they are part poison.
@@YOSSARIAN313 confusion would solve all of its problems minus misty and a random surge
If Starmie has confusion, it would’ve gone better since confusions base power is 60 and stab vs water guns 40 and stab
If Starmie had psychic, it would’ve placed far higher on the tier but not catch up to Mewtwo
The reason is simple: it is in the slow lv up group like Mewtwo. So it would in theory be around the same lv as it when it faces the E4 but Starmies stats are worse than Mewtwos so it couldn’t outperform it
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Man I have been absolutely loving this month of Jrose. You helped me get through a period where I had a bad back and couldnt move at all. These videos are so soothing to me and very entertaining.
Found Tobey Maguire
I hope you have a swift recovery!
@@TwoCatsInLondon Haha, Im all better now, I just remember about half a year ago when it was really bad I found the channel and binged the whole series.
How you've made every video in the month of Jrose top quality deserves some recognition! Absolutely love your work!
Once you've finished the regular season, you ever think about rerunning the top 5 or 10 pokemon (maybe the top 5 on each chart possibly including a couple you feel ought to have been there), and having a playoff season?? (just throwing the idea here, not trying to coerce you with a donation!)
its so many, i honestly, thought he was just re-uploading old videos
This month has been SO amazing so far 🥰 Thank you so much for making each day more enjoyable !
I love how they gave the bosses items like X-Speed or Guard Spec. to make them harder, but it just makes them waste their turn and lose easily.
JROSE BACK AT IT LIKE A SLOWPOKETAIL ADDICT!!! Thank you for the constant high quality content
Here we go this is going to be a special run! This video gets the OG Bug Catcher official stamp of approval! 👍
holy crap it's the first regular trainer in the series
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I first came across you from the Magikarp run. Wild you're still at it with basically every pokemon from every series. Look forward to going through more of these.
You should do a run with Porygon! The strats will be hilarious, and it’ll be an absolute roller coaster of difficulty!
Nah, its a bit funky in the beginning but later on you just roll everything with sharpness recover and 2 attacking moves
Yes! He should absolutely do Porygon soon, literally my favorite gen 1 Pokémon. ^_^
Diverse move pool look but I it struggle for two factors:
Stat wise, low defenses/hp and speed
And the fact it had no stab outside or hyper beam, which Jrose never gets for good reason
Due to no stab, it won’t be one shotting any of the E4’d Pokémon outside of badge boost
It also some last long without reflect and/or recover.
Imo, psychic will be a staple move for its special drop and Agatha
Rival wise, rival 5 will be trouble under leveled
Starter wise, the most challenging one will be Venusaur due to razor leaf but they all have a weakness to a move Porygon can learn
Imo charizard will be the easiest
Can this month never end please? Daily content from both you and Scott is 🔥!
It just makes me worry he's about to retire...
@@rakino4418 Worry Jrose will retire? Or this Scott person
@@rakino4418 Ad revenue is higher at end of November to end of December. That's why UA-camrs make a lot of content around this time.
Who is Scott?
@@OgreJoe Scott has a channel named Scott's Thoughts. He makes Pokémon videos like these as well. If you like these videos definitely check him out.
been waiting for this one! i haven’t done a lot of solo runs in R/B but starmie was one i did and it was so much fun
Hey Jrose, long time watcher, really appreciate the recent output of videos you are working real hard man, i appreciate it
Really impressed by the uploads this month. These latest videos have been a real treat.
Bummer that Starmie missed the top tier. I thought it could've had an AMAZING run being a special attacker in Gen 1 with its movepool coverage. I guess the fact Starmie's moveset without TMs being non-existent was a huge problem in the end...or the BEGINNING I should say.
that's what sets it appart from something like blastoise. it takes too long to get stuff they need, when they need it. it gets some amazing stuff, but by the time they do, it has already wasted too much time.
above nugget bridge there is mt thunder wave it would be amazing against lt surge and grass trainer near and in rock tunnel, also harden for the badge boost glitch is too valuable to eliminate, you don't need water move in the end game blizzard thunderbolt and psychic are enough
Imagine though he had a full moveset from the start. It would decimate the game haha
@@tommasocavallero5527 But Thunder Wave wouldn't do anything to Lt. Surge's Pokémon as they're all electric-type?
@@drunkenhobo5039 Eletric types wouldn't be immune to all forms of paralysis until gen 6; until then Thunder Wave is perfectly fine
Thanks for making these videos, I really enjoy them. I hope you still enjoy playing after so many runs.
What I love about this is it's not about just Staryu, and not about just starmie. It's about starus
Please don't give GameFreak any ideas xD
If game freak listened to me, switch mode would be gone. Items would be limited to 5 per battle (which I would give every ai trainer). Gym leaders would all be able to be battled in any order with scaling teams, gyms would not be monotype but instead strategy based. All battles in gyms would be double battles. The list goes on.
@@janehrahan5116 Why get rid of switch? That's literally just removing a difficulty option for no good reason.
Actually fair point. Coding is already there for both. I'd make set mode default the.
@@janehrahan5116 pretty good ideas but switching is a big part of pkmn battles
the production value on the starmie animation! its so cute, he looks so happy :)
Man this tier list is throwing everyones predictions to the wind. Nidoqueen beating nidoking, blastoise dominating venusaur and even gengar, and now starmie cant even break top 10. This is the wildest ride on youtube since dragon ball z abridged.
I know, right?! And it's absolutely why all of it is just so much fun!
Nidoking and Nidoqueen are a wash due to how similar their movepool and stats are.
Long time watcher of the series, I would love to see you finish gen 1
Gen 2 is lack luster for me
But Gen 3 runs are amazing because of improved AI and balancing
Keep up the good work
Also, no double feature for nidos
I think I speak for all of your subscribers when I say we like the consistency you’ve been keeping as of late but I know you can’t keep it up forever
Great work man
100% agree
Man, Jrose, if you had asked me 6years ago if you’d still be doing this same challenge, and I wouldn’t have believed it. Thanks for the long years of wonderful content; and I’m so glad I’ve been watching since your first magikarp run(which turns out is impossible.)
Here’s my official suggestion; I’d like to see a golem/machamp run.
Respect for the daily uploads. Our man is grinding and we are grateful 🙏
Finally, the run we've all been waiting for!!
I've been waiting for this for a long time. I dont personally feel disappointed, even if it isnt in top 5 or whatever Starmie still did very well, including first trying the elite 4 (albeit there were a lot of clutch critical hits).
Another fantastic video! The month of JRose is amazing!! Thanks so much for all this content
These daily videos have been the best thing ever, thank you for the christmas gift JRose!
hey Jrose. love the vids. I've noticed that you keep saying that your pokemon don't deal more damage despite you leveling them up quite often. If you weren't aware, damage rounding is an accidental mechanic that means that only levels that end with a 0, 3, 5 or 8 will increase your damage, both physical and special. as an example, Starmie in this video at level 17 wouldnt actually deal more damage than level 15, but would at level 18.
How does that work? Do attacking stats only go up at those levels or something?
Well technically the way the damage rounding works is that you barely do more damage per level unless your level ends in 0, 3, 5, or 8. So technically he is doing more damage but it's not really noticeable compared to if Starmie was level 18. At the very least the slight bulk increase helps... kind of
No, your attacking stats go up as shown. If you didn't know, what level you are also factors into your damage calculations in RBY. Due to the way the game rounds numbers, that means that levels ending in 0, 3, 5, and 8 gets you a much more substantial boost to damage then if you were at another level. Pretty screwy stuff!
I think he mentions doing less damage after level ups *in battle* because he loses badge boosts after leveling up in battle
@Bryan Duncan I'm talking about the times he comes back to a fight at a slightly higher level and says that he didn't notice an increase in damage, not about losing the badge boost glitch via level up. Regardless it doesn't really impact much and the videos are still enjoyable to watch, just wanted to inform him that damage rounding thresholds exist in case he reads it.
Really loving the month of videos. I've been waiting for it since you announced it. Just in case you haven't noticed yet, you entered starmie's level as 58 instead of 59 in the rankings chart. I personally don't think it's a big deal, just thought I would mention it in case the level difference does effect later rankings.
I believe the Pokemon anime actually makes a great point about stone evos in the episode “Electric Shock Showdown”. Surge evolved his Raichu early, which ultimately does him in during the rematch because Pikachu, despite being weaker, has a more diverse level-up movepool early on.
That was suppose to be the original tradeoff of stone evolutions. Gamefreak wanted to introduce a at will power spike but with the drawback of potientially falling off due to move restrictions.
So you either get a temporary boost or a gym you're struggling with but reduced late-game power or you wait with a terrible 1st stage until you get to the elite 4
... Then they made level-up movesets mostly complete trash and made TMs super busted and early available so you barely have a reason to level them beyond like, level 30 or something.@@SkyNinja759
Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but this video really feels like you went in with the mindset that Starmie was going to disappoint and you fulfilled your own expectations. Starmie absolutely destroyed the late game but you still approached literally every battle by saying how it was going to struggle and even when it would one-shot an entire lineup you would say, "If only it was a higher level, it could do so much better here." My dude, it is already crushing it. Hope you can be a little more enthusiastic about other Pokemon in the future cause I usually really like your videos and this was a bit painful to watch
I wish this month would never end! I can't wait to see Mr.Mime, always one of my favourites.
Keep them coming!! The Weedle Run already had me on cloud 9. This is a dream come true lol
I think Starmie is good within the normal context of receiving it, when you can start with Staryu and then evolve it into Starmie. Otherwise that limited movepool is rough.
This would be an interesting follow up series, where he lets the natural evolutions occur (maybe even allow strategic evolution planning for getting moves sooner and what not 🤷♂️) it would also be much shorter and maybe even easier.
This will be remembered as one of the greatest days in the Month of JRose.
Jrose is the gift that keeps on giving ♥️
Loving this Month of JRose.
Thanks for making these
Thank you for the daily videos jrose!!!
Always looking forward to these. Thank you Jrose for the continued effort and exceptional content.
I deadass want to buy a Kadabra plush and mail it to you. It's a thanks for giving us good content all these years. The month of Jrose11 bonus month?!?
a month is 30 days
@@Jrose11 Did I just get clowned on? :(
Many people nitpicking this run but thanks for taking the time to do it regardless of the results. Its all a subjective list at the end of the day and just a fun experiment to see how most pokemon compare in a loose sense! And as always, its a treat to watch/listen to the runs as the list takes shape. Looking forward to more!
Im honestly looking forward to the Kingler run!
Mr. JRose…. Excellent job on adding in small animations here and there. Makes your videos stand out in a great way!
By a complete fluke, younger me found Starmie very effective in the Stadium games. Even then I knew that that coverage and speed is hard to top.
Legit I've been waiting for this since first discovering the channel. Thank you
Finally.
My favorite Pokemon gets her time to shine in these solo runs!
Go Starmie go! 💙
I can’t keep up with this rate of release of videos haha!! Loving that I’ve always got something to watch in my downtime/before bed.
I already knew that Starmie wasn't going to rival Mewtwo because of Misty, and I didn't even think about its levelling group. I know there's only so much time in the day, but I think it would be interesting to see how well a Pokemon would do if it had the best possible moveset from the start.
magikarp, except it has psychic, amnesia, recover, and idk bodyslam
With their best movesets, most of the "Not Mewtwo" tier would be, at the very least, rivaling Mewtwo's time (specially when JRose later made an under two hours run with Mewtwo) and the top five would probably be under 3 hours (and maybe a few of the lower mons would give us a nice surprise). In fact, I can see mons like Charizard going up a tier, so to speak, and rivaling the times of its siblings Venusaur and Blastoise.
And Mew would be fighting with Mewtwo for "best time ever". Probably WON'T beat her child, but it would be a close competitor. Same with Alakazam. The main problem Mew had was Brock, because it didn't have any attack that wasn't resisted.
@@sock7896 Probably Spore, Amnesia, Psychic and some other coverage move. Won't need recover if you can just put the other pokémon to sleep first.
I'm starting to fall behind ahhhh it's so much! Loving it X3
Jrose, I think two videos you could do are "Minimum battles guide" and "Fastest run guide" where you don't skip the inconsequential stuff.
He did do two whole minimum battles run videos that basically explain everything involved
@@dylancasalino637 He still skipped a few of the inconsequential pieces. Hence my request to have one where he doesn't.
Loving these daily uploads!!! Keep em coming!!!!
Hoping to see you do the other two traded pokemon: Golem and Machamp.
Leaving a comment for the Giovanni rhyme! Love your consistency man!
Considering how much the slow growth rate slowed some Pokemon, I wonder how Clefable would do who doesn't have exciting stats but does have the fast growth rate. Unlike Chansey, you have a Brock answer right from the beginning with Metronome which has a pretty good chance for hitting any of the gazillion of weaknesses of Rock/Ground Pokemon. Just too bad you don't allow evasion moves at all even when the Pokemon learns it naturally, but even without Minimize it would be interesting I think.
I'm not expecting Clefable to reach the top at all, but it would be interesting to see how Clefable would fare compared to Starmie.
I'm not too stressed about the "luck" on Surge, you also could've gotten a crit, which, with Starmies base speed is a good 18-20% right? Hell, even two Thundershocks you could've survived, I'd say it was a good 50/50 chance to win that fight
Yeeesss! Finally you made one on my favourite Pokémon. You're the man Jrose!
I gotta see kingler. Crabhammer always being a crit and 95 power. Even off like 60 special that's 190 power which is similar to gen 1 explosion plus stab. And it has a crazy high attack stat which means body slam, double edge, even vicegrip early on will be very strong and you can badge boost with harden (if not swords dance I forget) for your physical moves
it’s a strong move but not that close to gen 1 explosion levels of power tho bc gens 1-4 the defence stat of the target pokemon gets halved for the purposes of explosion n self destruct damage
@@bumbyonline with stab it does beat gen 1 self destruct and it doesn't kills itself
@@tornadotyler123 crabhammer is base 90 in rby, not 95. crit + stab reaches approx equivalent to 270. rby boom is 170, but cuts the opponents defence stat in half. crab doesn’t come close. check it in smogon damage calc inputting a mew with both moves against a regular psychic type mew (chosen bc equal offensive n defensive stats) with mew’s typing set to water. boom does 60.5-71.2, crit crabhammer isn’t even a guaranteed 2hko at 46.8-55.3% damage
E: for self destruct u are correct i misread yr reply mb, it would v marginally outdo a non stab selfdestruct. that said the only selfdestruct user that doesn’t get explosion is lax which gets stab so it’s kinda academic
Wait what, no swift? That a big miss for gamefreak lol. Great content brother !
Still hoping for a Kabutops run! Always my favorite pokemon as a kid
Yess
@Sniper nah just always thought it looked cool. Thought slash was one of the best moves in the game too and it learned it as soon as it evolved
"Not Great"!? - Bite your tongue Jrose! You're talking about one of the best Pokémon in competitive history!
In competitive yeah, for playing through the actual game from start to finish, nah
@@zosonte129 What... Of course it's good to play through the actual game from start to finish, what are you even saying? It's a Water Pokemon, just like one of your Starter choices, has a dual typing of Psychic (one of the better Types in Gen 1), has good stats and good coverage.
This is a challenge video where you try to complete the game with only ONE Pokemon - which is not how you're *actually* supposed to play through the *actual* game from start to finish either to begin with (as evidenced by needing HM slaves in his party, the clearly the game wants you to actually have more than one Pokemon anyway).
Otherwise Starmie is generally a staple in most playthroughs whenever it becomes available to the player, and once it is available, it usually just carries you from that point. As evidenced by the E4 there which was honestly a joke with how disgustingly easy it was for not-even-an-overlevelled Starmie.
Definitely overestimated Starmie since I had no idea it was in a slower level up group and overestimated Badge boosts, though surprised it didn't need badge boosts for most of the run. Honestly really curious how good Poliwhirl will be with hypnosis luck now, though I still think it'll struggle against Agatha. Blastoise was definitely the most surprising this month and may not be surpassed, but who knows?
At least, Poliwhirl can learn Psychic, IIRC
7:09(ish) - wow, how rude of that YOUNGSTER, to attack you as soon as you walk into the Pokemon Center...
My experience with Starmie was incredibly different to yours. I feel you set yourself up for a worse run by expecting it not to live up to expectations. My Starmie run outperformed everything except a Poliwrath that it roughly tied. It beat out Gengar and all the legendary birds. Haven't done an Alakazam run or a Blastoise run, but not expecting either of those to be significantly better than Starmie. I also didn't even use Rare Candies until after Lance, and I'm not convinced I needed all nine either.
Outside of a few Geodude in Mt Moon I even managed to keep to minimum battles.
Finally! Been waiting for this one.
I am sorry to say this but Jrose here shows an incredible bias against Starmie. I dont understand why, maybe because so many people told him it would be so good, and he wants to prove otherwise. But not getting it to top 10 after 3:25 and level 58 is just ridiculous. Compare it to a top 5 pokemon like Hypno, for example.
That's true!!, starmie deserve at least top 8. And I t
I think he could play better but his unconcious bias did not let him do that
He also rates the runs on how difficult they were. Starmie struggled in the Cerulean area and Hypno had the easiest run ever. There's no comparison.
@@DisplayThisOkay True, but the bias against Starmie cant be denied. Jrose turned into a pure hater, that was pretty shameful.
Starmie finished just a few mins outside those top 10 times and at under level 60. Its a Pokemon that crushed the elite 4 without badge boosts. Which should count for more considering the early struggles.
I will not stand for the anti-starmie propaganda. You’re making it out like it struggled through the early game miserably, when you beat everything with fairly minimal issue. Your ranking is highly flawed. Starmie is one of the best Pokémon in gen 1 due to its incredibly high speed, psychic typing, good special, good move pool. End of story.
Just when I finish watching a video, there's another one. This month has been insane
I've been playing Gen 1 from it's release and I only just now realised that the sprite for your character upon entering a battle is standing up. I always thought he was sitting down but I now see that what I thought was his leg is actually his arm, ready for battle. It makes so much sense but I'll probably never unsee my 25 years of imagining that the player is sitting down.
"The outrageous thing is that Lorelei decided to heal instead of knocking out my Starmie" I have two explanations for that.
1: This is what Good AI decided would be the optimal move.
2: She really wanted to see the Surge of the Elite Four get humiliated yet again, but was contractually obligated to make it look like she was trying to beat you.
No other explanation will be accepted.
This series is amazing. Would love to see a Magmar and Electabuzz run!
I've thought this for 2 years now. Kingler will be one of the absolute best when it finally gets its turn.
Kingler will be a fun watch. The one problem I see is that it only learns Normal attacks for physical, so Agatha will be a problem with her high Special Ghosts.
Been eagerly waiting for this one. I have high hopes!
WOO here early for my favorite Mon! Can’t wait to see how they do. Killing it this month Jrose!
Yay, thanks for doin Starmie Jrose!. I'm not disappointed, maybe a little surprised, but still really enjoyed seeing my old favorite special attacker shit stomp some late game competition.
That part at the end where Starmie goes wild on crits is like it could hear the chants and cheers of its legions of fans from the JRose comment section…😢
Starmie was about as amazing in the Elite Four as I imagined.
I didn't see the early game struggles coming, though. That was quite the surprise
I love these and all 1 a day this week is overwhelming to be honest with to many other things to do; Getting stressful really.
Some of the design choices made in this game are so perplexing. Like no attacking bug moves and Starmie being slow growth
FINALLY. I'VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR SOO LOONG
You know it's a good run when the "Lorelei Song" plays through Agatha and up to Lance.
Definitely been waiting for this one for sure
Love the colour filter, probably the best one yet.
One run that would be really cool would be the difference between perfect IVs and the worst IVs. See how much worse everything goes when your starter Pokémon is the runt of the litter.
Jrose, you mention that hypothetically if Starmie had psychic to begin with that it may have kept up with Mewtwo. It would be cool to have a category to test theories like this one!
Damn looks like Jrose has levelled up.....crazy uploads!!!
Really like the color scheme this time the PC and rival being gold on a gray background is nice
Another great vid, loving the month of JRose11, wish it could never end lol
Love the barrage of content brody!
Didn't know you could do this on UA-cam but lovin' the content. Hope this helps
Tnks Jrose once again i have something to watch this night!
Now you have to try doing a run with Dewgong ;) It was a genuine surprise for me
Commenting before I watching full. Starmie is so busted in gen 1. Surf, ice beam, t bolt, psychic absolutely wreck the entire game.
Starmie having such a cool type and making karate noises in the anime always made it to cool to me.
A lot of people fixate on what moves the pokemon can learn, without considering how it will fare in the early game. This was pretty obvious.
Your elite 4 move set was my go to move set for Starmie and I barely ever needed to swap it out
thanks Josh, I feel vindicated for arguing with random people in the comment section that starmie isn't top tier bc of the early game lol