Right?! Not to mention she is the definition of corruption. Convincing others she’s worth defending, despite just about everything not being worth defending about her. Personality and actions.
@@lillith3159 So? That doesn’t change the very fact, that she should never have acted the way she does, throughout all the Clone Wars. She’s not just any child. She is a child, since 3 who was part of the JEDI ORDER. They would have never allowed for her to act this way. She would have been very peaceful, respectful, etc. I get that we have our own personality, but there is never an explanation for where Ahsoka learned her bad values. She was already terrible before she met Anakin too. So don’t even try that. You guys make every excuse under the sun just for her. She was so incompetent and rude through all of it. The Jedi would have realistically pulled her out. But she stays for no good reason.
@bravestraven4650 It can be explained by the fact that they were in the was and desperately needed soliders on the battle field. That's why they ignored some of her actions and attitudes
@user-jr9bu7em8s Oh, yeah, that makes SOOO much sense... The Jedi were so desperate that they excused every action she made that nearly COST them the war... Stop the excuses, nothing can justify this BS.
@@imyouralibi6208 Was she? Her first appearance is in the Clone Wars movie, in which she questions Anakin's decisions. Her choices and attitude are a direct reflection of her training under Anakin. As for the parts in Season 7. She is no longer a Jedi and is transitioning into what she is known through the main trilogy timeline as a Grey Jedi. Through the years she calms her aggression down. She was still very young when she was kicked from the Jedi Order. Seeing her in Rebels, Tales of the Jedi, and The Mandalorian, she isn't as aggressive.
@@KylePelletier714 Granted, I have not tortured myself by watching the movie yet, but I've seen several clips that show her being disrespectful and such. That's where Anakin dubs her as "Snips", after all. Not to mention, in the earlier seasons at least, Anakin *tries* to teach Ahsoka better behaviour and she never gets anything out of it. So I completely disagree that she learns from him. Ahsoka's behaviour in S7 is hardly different than in S1. We've got a Character Growth case study series on this channel which shows that. TotJ doesn't count since we see maybe 5min of content of her after the end of TCW. In The Mandalorian she's absolutely still aggressive. We have yet to analyze her in Rebels. We plan to do that when we're done our TCW reaction series.
@@odette5031 Where do I start? How about the fact that she's a toxic role model for kids? Yeah, that's a big one. Plus she's worshiped as "the embodiment of the light side" (actual quote from an Ahsoka fan I responded to today), when she acts like a Sith on a regular basis throughout TCW. On top of that, she's a total Mary Sue but fans act like she's the best written character in all of Star Wars, and that "Filoni is going to save Star Wars" by creating more stories with her. She's a horribly written, awful character and treated like the best thing since sliced bread. So yeah, it's a bit infuriating. Lol.
@@imyouralibi6208 Anakin: That's my padawan + Little Sister! Big Brother Ani's proud of ya ;) Obi-Wan: *Sigh* Anakin: Don't you *sigh* me Master! You loved fake surrenders too! Obi-Wan: Well, at least not until your level!
To be fair they gave Obi-Wan a Padawan within a day of being knighted, send an emotionally volatile former slave to investigate a slaver ring, sent Anakin to protect a senator who he clearly has feelings for and viceversa... What I am saying the Council was clouded by more than just the Dark side 😂😂😂😂😂
OML, I never thought that Ahsoka would be this much of a Savage. Like fr even she has her own limits of what a sith can be capable of doing. Considering that Anakin did start his path to the darkside before he took her in as his padawan. 😳😳😳
@@Сайтамен This is a meme video, not a commentary video. Certain examples worked with the video format, while certain ones didn't. Really not something you need to get triggered over.
She was raised by the Jedi from age 3; she shouldn't be like this as a teen. And really, she was already awful by the time she met Anakin. Can't blame him for her attitude/behaviour.
@@apiwutintongkam3149 That's an argument that can be made, yes. But (especially in the earlier seasons of TCW) he does *try* to teach her better behaviour and she doesn't take anything away from those moments. It doesn't make sense to me to claim she learns from him if all she ever copies is his poor behaviour. That seems more like a choice on her part than a fault on his.
@breadandcircuses8127 Interesting take 🤔 I disagree that her voice actress was particularly talented. Ahsoka was the first voice acting gig Ashley ever got and, imo, it really shows. Obviously, she got better; her voice acting in S7 of the series is considerably improved. And as for Rosario Dawson, I also disagree, tbh. She strikes me as a good actress, but one who is being given poor direction due to Filoni's incompetency, like all the other characters in his live action abomination. I mean, he has some pretty big name actors on his cast but they all seem to give an equally bad performance for the most part. It's definitely reminiscent of the situation with the prequels. But going back to your point on Ahsoka's voice in TCW, I'd argue that a high-pitched voice would actually make her *less* likeable rather than moreso. If you think about it, the general trend seems to be that female villains have a high-pitched voice (think of characters like Child from Young Justice, Umbridge from Harry Potter, etc) while male villains have very deep voices.
I was fine with her shenanigans until she started being bitchy to a man being responsible and doing his duty despite being the one most eager to avenge satine since SHE DIED IN HIS ARMS
And also siding with Bo-Karen, a literal genocidal maniac, slaver and terrorist who wanted Satine dead and suceeded with some extra steps. And who tried to kill Ahsoka herself previously in the same show. Furloni´s top writing, ladies and gentlemen!
Not even I can point out if you made any flaws in this video, because you didn't. Full video, spot-on. She was too overly aggressive, it's impossible to believe this girl kills Inquisitors, and isn't an Inquisitor herself 😳
I feel like the bit on Mortis shouldn't count because that was The Son's influence and, for once, the narrative wasn't portraying her as being in the right as a result. The rest of the compilation is just fine, though.
Yeah, we waffled over including that one. But since she's infected by the Dark Side, and thus openly acting like a Sith, it seemed logical to include it.
I mean the first one was her pretending to be violent to make Nute Gunray, she explained it to Luminara. She also provoked Cad Bane to stop him from escaping. Almec was just torturing her and kids with the same collar, and since she was unarmed, putting it on him was the only way to stop him. Judging her for "angry face" when they are searching a guy who just killed their best friend, seriously? Or when she wants a woman who bombed Jedi temple and killed many of her friends and masters be brought to justice? How is she supposed to stop Aurra Sing, a wanted criminal escaping on a stolen ship which is shooting at her, without using her lightsaber? How is she supposed to fight trandosheans that hunt kids for sport? How is she supposed to defend herself from clones who are trying to capture her for something she didn't commit? She even told Ventress to not kill them. (Btw, they are wearing armour, they are fine). When she released Maul, she had no idea the clones were mind controlled and she needed time to figure out a plan. She didn't know he was that powerful and tried to stop him after. Won't defend the accusations against Obi-Wan though. Overall, she isn't a great Jedi and slightly overrated as a character, but not even close to a Sith or a villain.
First off, Ahsoka's body language leading up to her threatening Gunray and her later comment showing how gleeful she is at the idea of his death shows that Ahsoka was 100% serious when she threatened to gut him. You're headcanoning. There is nothing to suggest she "provoked" Bane for the purpose of preventing his escape. She'd already caught up to him by that point. Unless you're referring to the scene from S2E3, in which case my point still stands. Yes, she needed to get the collar on Almec but she *didn't* need to shock him with it. That was just going overboard and showing how vengeful she was (her tone and facial expression also demonstrate this). Earlier comments seem to show Ahsoka isn't all that torn up about Kenobi's "death." Letta was *already* facing justice, but Ahsoka clearly wanted her to suffer more (i.e. vengeance, which Anakin outright calls her on in that very scene). There is nothing wrong with Ahsoka using her lightsaber. There IS a problem with her trying to stab Aurra directly in the face. She could've broken the glass and gone for the controls instead. Also, Aurra didn't start shooting at Ahsoka until *after* she tried to stab her in the face. The force push that killed Garnac was so strong that it pushed him clear across the room, through a double set of thick and heavy doors, and over a railing. That's clear overkill. Plus the fact that Ahsoka went out of her way to chase after him which left her companions in danger. Why not run away from the clones like she did before? That way no one gets hurt (and yes, the clones were clearly hurt. Ahsoka hit them so hard that she managed to immobilize/knock them all unconscious). Ahsoka didn't know how powerful Maul was?? Yeah, I'm calling bull on that one. Honestly, you are ignoring so much context, I have to wonder when was the last time you even watched the show.
@@imyouralibi6208 I don't know much about body language, better ask the animators. She was impatient, yes, but she understands he won't talk if he is dead, but also he is a coward, so that way of scaring him might work. Cad Bane was escaping with valuable information and she knows she can't capture him alone, so she is buying time for Anakin to catch up. There's really hard to aim standing on the shaking ship, but yes, it's possible she tried to kill Aurra (who just almost killed her master Plo Koon, btw). For a padawan it is not unreasonable behaviour. What comments? Her and Anakin are clearly pissed off and keen on finding Hardeen. I don't think Garnac or anyone cares in what way he was killed. He was shooting at her, she suggested him to surrender several times, she pushed him into a wall before and he got back up. So yes, it is a Jedi way to dispose of him. So Anakin calls her on it, huh? I thought universe bended over her... Why not run? Because she was surrounded and there was nothing to jump on above, duh. Considering that he went easy on her in the battle (which was also won thanks to her plot armour, I agree), and he was paralyzed for hours right before she released him, I can see why she underestimated him.
@@Сайтамен You are headcanoning again. There is nothing to suggest that she was buying Anakin time. There was no shaking. The ship was steady and so was Ahsoka. She knew exactly where she was aiming. So you agree that Ahsoka was being vengeful toward Aurra? Also, yes, it is very much unreasonable behavior for a student of the Jedi. As mentioned in other videos, Ahsoka seems more interested in insignificant facts than in getting revenge for Obi-Wan. And she finds it strange that Anakin is grieving. Again, Ahsoka went out of her way to fight Garnac. If she'd been more focused on helping her friends, there would've been no altercation between her and Garnac at all. Also, she never once told him to surrender. She just said "You're beaten!" (which only served to further provoke him). Again, overkill is not a Jedi means of subduing someone. "I thought universe bended over her..." Wow, you're desperate 🤣 Anakin also defends/excuses her behavior in the very same scene, saying she's "still very young." So his reprimand essentially falls flat. Ahsoka wasn't surrounded. The clones were only in front of her. Look, if you're just going to keep ignoring important context and making up your own, then I'm really not interested in dragging out this discussion.
@@imyouralibi6208 She still has the mind of a kid in these situations. She hadn't matured at all. Hell, even if she was innocent of the Temple bombing, Tarkin should've been able to lock her up for years on the charge of assaulting a member of the military police, which is what those red-tinted Coruscant Guard clones were.
@@imyouralibi6208 If she didn't, Anakin wouldn't have found Ventress and Barris, so he would have no evidence and she would have been sentenced to death.
It's funny. I started playing a dark side Jedi Knight in Star Wars: The Old Republic. I'm surprised how much many of the DS options are very similar to what Ahsoka does in this video. Honestly she should have been the one to fall to the dark side not Bariss. But then she's Filioni's precious little OC and she can do no wrong.
@@sophiemendez5567people downplay Maul's power. He was trained by the most powerful Sith in existence, hand-picked by Sidious for his natural gifted abilities. I remember that Maul in The Phantom Menace was supposed to be nearly as strong as ROTS Anakin in the old canon prior to TCW being created.
Personally, I don't see it that way. I think it's totally legitimate that there are different opinions about Ahsoka, so don't get me wrong. Here's my opinion: Yes, I think Ahsoka has a very bad temper, which is the reason why Yoda assigns her to Anakin. He thinks they have a positive influence on each other because they are so similar. (Works in a way, because Anakin learns what responsibility means). But there's more to falling to the dark side than having a bad temper. Falling to the dark side is a process. And Ahsoka was never even close to becoming a true Sith. I think it's part of her chracter story that she was always not a typical Jedi: because of her personality structure, because of Anakin's unconventional views and training methods. She learns in TCW that the world is not black and white and Jedi are not all good. Her struggle to fight her own dark side, but at the same time not finding the Jedi as great as she finds them at the beginning of TCW, ultimately leads her to follow a whole new path. The path of the grey Jedi. Yes, she's not as fixated on the Jedi Code anymore, but she's still not a dark side user. Personally, I think it all makes a lot of sense.
You are entitled to your opinion, of course. (And the narrative *wants* you to have that opinion.) But the content itself doesn’t really support that opinion. Pairing up Anakin and Ahsoka is a dumpster fire that the Jedi seem stupid for overlooking. Ahsoka doesn’t learn anything or grow in any way. And she certainly doesn’t struggle with a dark side. Despite the way she behaves, she’s basically always portrayed as right, as being ‘what the Jedi should be’. To be clear, I agree that there’s more to falling to the dark side than having a bad temper. But we’re not claiming that Ahsoka ‘falls to the dark side’, we’re just saying she’s acting like a Sith. Ahsoka seems to have a lot of anger and hate (and we all know what Yoda has to say about that). And some descriptions of Sith behaviour include violence and vengeance, as well as self-centered and manipulative/controlling behaviour, which Ahsoka displays a lot of, so I think it’s fair to say that she goes over that line on many occasions throughout TCW. (This video mainly showcased the violent/vengeful moments.)
Well the problem there is what you said about the Jedi not being all good or perfect. They never were, but no one is. Qui Gon was more of what the Jedi of the time were missing, but even he never thought of the Jedi as incorrect; only following the Will of the Force as they should have done. They needed to evolve and grow, hence the point of what Luke's order in the EU was intended to be. But EU Luke never condemned or judged them for those shortcomings, nor did he deny those teachings. He did however choose to question and learn from those mistakes to make things better. Even then, his order had its ups and downs with people like Kyp Durron and Gantourus; but he never gave up. Luke and Qui Gon are more of what the Jedi should have been then frankly Ahsoka has ever shown. If she was, then if she left the order I would have it be because after everything that happened, she would realize how the dark side has permeated everything and the Force would call her to seek answers elsewhere. Like the Jedi Wayfinders of old, follow the will of the Force to where it needs her to be. Not because of any betrayal
As in “based” you mean completely narcissistic, trigger happy, murder happy, violence happy, borderline mentally abusive and having no regard for the lives of others. Ironic near the beginning of the series she causes one star destroyer to blow up and at the end she causes another. It’s like poetry, it rhymes.
@@luckykennedy7364 Which SD does she cause to blow up at the start? I remember only her squad of fighters (which is their job and she was under the same risk as them).
@@Сайтамен The Ryloth arc and The ending of TCW. Starter stores have a crew of roughly 7000 people and the fact she was never punished for the first one is truly astounding at how much The universe bends over backwards for her.
@@luckykennedy7364 She didn't command any big ship during Ryloth arc. And the last one wasn't planned. She released Maul to distract clones who she didn't know were mind controlled and tried to stop him later.
@@Сайтамен If she wasn’t that Ryloth the whole operation would’ve gone off without the deaths of over 7000 people. The fact she never even remotely considered the consequences of releasing Maul also speaks volumes to her stupidity watch the show glosses over and constantly framing her in a positive light.
@@imyouralibi6208 in The Clone Wars 2008 movie when they reach the base where Jabba's son is located, a separatist protocol droid deceives them, after the attack of the separatists and what follows Ashoka and Anakin reach a small separatist ship which they steal, a ship where the droid was boarding to leave the battlefield. After destroying the guarding B1s, Ashoka decides, after a dialogue with the droid, to decapitate him, making an unnecessary kill. So I can understand that that droid was a bastard, that Ashoka is an impulsive girl and that droids are seen as practically second class citizens in Star Wars, but considering the bond she quickly forms with R2, going so far as to kill a droid which did not represent the slightest danger is excessive. I also hate when they show droids as perfectly sentient and have free will albeit with limitations, only to kill them without any problems two seconds later (another example that comes to mind is when Kit Fisto beheads Grevious' doctor)
@@manudiferro5284 Ohhh, that explains why I don't remember it. I have yet to watch the movie in its entirety (not looking forward to that). Not to mention how Ahsoka positively fawns over R3 to the point where she disregards the safety of Anakin and their men. Her entire character is just a walking contradiction 🙄 And yeah, the inconsistent treatment of droids in general is definitely a problem, even across some of the movies, IIRC.
@@imyouralibi6208 well, taking only the 6 original Star Wars films into consideration, the only excessive treatment towards droids that I remember was that of the erasure of C3P0's memory, for the rest there are mentalities that highlight the lack of consideration that they have, but they are not like that marked, even considering opposite shortings, such as Padme rewarding R2 (this isn't a false memory of mine, right?). However, the question deserves to be actually explored in the universe and so far the canon has done it very badly, not only with horrible characters like Lando's droid, but by having characters who have droids as trusted friends and who so they know that they are more than just a machine, cof cof Sabine cof cof. I've only been interested in the fantastic Legends for 2 years and so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the issue is better developed here. Good luck with the movie anyway, it's literally one of the worst things I've ever seen, being literally made up of episodes glued together
@@manudiferro5284 Yeah, you're remembering correctly, Padme did reward R2. To be fair, if I, like Sabine, ever had to spend a lot of time around a droid like Chopper, I would *definitely* not consider droids as friends 😆 Yeah, I heard that the TCW movie was just four episodes shoved together and all I have to say to that is OOOOOOF 😩 Anyway, I'd also be interested to know if Legends handles the droid issue better 👀
I’ll never understand why the order didn’t just kick her out. This is not behavior worth keeping as a Jedi at all. Since she never actually grows. They should just kick her to the curb. But also, how the heck did she end up like this? Growing up with the Jedi? In the first place?
@@imyouralibi6208 I think you’re forgetting that she was brought in at the Jedi temple when she was only like a few years old. The Jedi definitely taught her this and also when you think about the war that definitely contributed a ton She is Anakin in so many ways could’ve been taken down by the dark side but she wasn’t. She stayed true. And I seen you said she is a Mary sue NO That is not true she has lost and gotten hurt in so many battles where she has lost friends and clones Yes she was very savage and did some bad things but you’re also forgetting Anakin did teach her to do some of these things because that was her master. She’s seen him do some terrible things so it’s bound to have a repeat.
@@keyblox925 Last time I checked, the Jedi don't make a point of raising their students to act like Sith, quite the opposite in fact. And if the war was responsible for the change, then there should've been a notable progression in Ahsoka's behavior rather than her already being arrogant/violent/self-centered from the moment she was introduced. "She is Anakin in so many ways" Which doesn't make sense, given her childhood was vastly different from his. "could’ve been taken down by the dark side but she wasn’t" Which also doesn't make sense given how often she behaves like a Sith. If anything, I'd argue she should've turned to the dark side *before* Anakin. Anyway, we have a two-part video series on defining Mary Sues and why Ahsoka is one so I'd recommend giving that a watch. Ahsoka learned nothing from Anakin. Her deplorable behavior was already present from the second she stepped onscreen.
Ahsoka shouldn't have treated Maul like a disposable tool after Order 66. She should've worked with him and together they should've tried to break into the Venator's communications. Then together they could use a combined mind trick through the ship's PA system to put the clones into a deep sleep until they can figure out what to do with them. They could've saved the ship's crew together and maybe even have an entire army with them to take on Sidious with. Instead, she treated him like a disposable twat, which is very much a Sith thing to do.
Interesting. I've never heard of mind tricks being possible like that. 👀 But yeah, there's a bunch of ways Ahsoka could have, *should* have, handled the situation that would be way more Jedi-like.
@@imyouralibi6208 Have Maul and Ahsoka focus their power together and tell the Clones to "sleep" with a Jedi mind trick. Like how three Jedi combined their mind tricks to nearly break Cad Bane's mind, but make it a gentle "sleep" command instead. Then they could go poking in their soldiers' heads and removing those chips one by one. Voila! The 332nd would be ready for action, with Maul and Ahsoka leading them against Palpatine. Her abandoning Maul like that really made me wish the clones killed her on that bridge. He was just as much a pawn as she was, and they needed to work together.
@@HolyknightVader999 I wonder how the chips would interfere with the effectiveness of the mind trick. Since the clones are kind of already being mind controlled. 🤔 And I guess I should have clarified that I meant I'd never heard of mind tricks working when aimed indirectly, like over a PA. And yes, seeing Maul and Ahsoka work together to get out of that situation could have been really interesting. I mean, she worked with Ventress in similar circumstances, so it wouldn't have been much of a stretch for her to team up with Maul.
You are basing this entirely on the chance that Maul would even help her. Maul at this point could care less about not killing clones. He would just rather get out of there as soon as Ahsoka took her eyes off of him.
Lol, your point? The point of the video is to show moments of Ahsoka acting like a Sith. Anakin literally *becomes* a Sith, bro. It's not good behavior in either case 😂
Why shouldn't it count? The title is "Ahsoka Acting Like a Sith". It doesn't say anything about whether or not she's doing it of her own free will. So that scene clearly fits the criteria.
I feel like you’ve left out some crucial context from some of these… Like, most notably, how else was she supposed to escape a ship of Order 66 brainwashed clones?
It'd be fine as an escape plan so long as the narrative doesn't paint her as saintly for doing it. "I'm NoT gOiNg To KiLL tHeM." Yeah, hun, except you're still directly responsible for their deaths. She can hardly feign ignorance either given she knows how dangerous Maul is and explicitly orders him to "cause chaos." The creators could've had her grappling with guilt, knowing her actions led to everyone onboard (aside from Rex and herself) dying, but no, she's painted as *saintly* 🙄 The narrative is so disingenuous, smh
@@imyouralibi6208She could’ve said "Cause a distraction, but don’t destroy the ship's core. If that happens, we all die anyway and neither of us will be able to escape." He’d probably reason with that since it’s a generally fair trade. Him and Ahsoka aren’t direct enemies at that point since the clones are hunting them. I really have no idea why she just up and said 'cause chaos'. She’s talking to a former Sith who was nearly as strong as ROTS Anakin when he was Palpatine's apprentice back in The Phantom Menace.
@@imyouralibi6208 how do you think Ahsoka is a mary sue? This video inevitably proves she is violent, hot-headed, arrogant, and overconfident. All these traits are similar to Anakin's flaws. Yoda specifically put Ahsoka and Anakin together so they could both learn patience and to forgo attachments and emotions. The reason why so many find Ahsoka to be a good character is that she started off as arrogant and hotheaded. Most of the Ahsoka episodes involve Ahsoka learning important lessons; patience/listening to orders (Lightsaber Lost), letting go of attachment (Jedi crash), temperance (Storm over Rhyloth), leadership/independence (Padawan lost), don't let feelings cloud judgement (the war on 2 fronts), teaching/responsibility (A test of strength), finding herself (The Wrong Jedi), The Jedi were too corrupt (Gone with a trace), and not everything is black and white (Heroes on both sides). To say that Ahsoka and Rey are similar, being both Mary Sue characters is ridiculously absurd. All Rey's development is: lived in desert, now fights with Resistance with a lightsaber. So, either you have never seen the clone wars entirely, or you lack a mental capacity. People used to hate Ahsoka to start with. How do you think that changed Sherlock? CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT.
@@robr7815 Wow, quick with the insults, aren't you? Even though you haven't even given me a chance to respond. We have a two-part video series here on the channel breaking down how to identify a Mary Sue and why Ahsoka is one. I recommend you watch it. And to see how, contrary to your claim, Ahsoka *doesn't* change or grow over the course of the series, I'd recommend our Character Growth series on Ahsoka.
To the idiots using Ahsoka being trained by Anakin as a way to justify her acting like the Sith, just remember you're talking about filoni-sanitized Anakin here. The one who seems to have been discovered by the Jedi at 5 and not at 9/10 like in the unadulterated and true Star Wars.
1:19 you can clearly see the yellow eyes, meaning she doesn't just act like a Sith, she is probably one and is constantly using force mask. Wait does that mean she is Plagueis??? (After essence transfer)
Well, in that instance, she was actually possessed by the dark side. But her behavior there is just a dialed up version of her regular personality, so sure, I could absolutely buy that she was always just a Sith in disguise, lol
@@imyouralibi6208 I mean, I suppose? It does still feel very different from the other clips, since acting like a Sith is justified in this scene alone.
I got a good laugh from this video. Yeah, it's like she always has one foot in the dark side, and the other on a banana peel. And, what's up with Ahsoka these days? (series) It seems she only has two speeds, wide open or stop.
Glad you enjoyed 👍 Been hearing a lot about the Ahsoka series. Let's just say I'm *very* glad I decided against watching it, lol. Sounds like the most boring thing Disney's produced for Star Wars so far 😂
So far, it's not as bad as the Prequels. There are some good parts but not sure if it will be enough to refresh the franchise. I know that's not saying much, though. This show needs to be epic, but three episodes in, I don't see that yet. It seems Sabine is taking front seat at times. I am waiting to see if there is a reason for Ahsoka being so laid back. Wisdom? Age? A pinch of spice perhaps? I don't know. If you did a review on this show, I'm sure you would have plenty to write about. lol@@imyouralibi6208
Oh wow she plays good cop bad cop with Nute Gunray but wasnt even planning on hurting him. She just wanted to make him crack. Meanwhile Anakin literally Force chokes Poggle the Lesser and beats Rush Clovis half to death for messing with his girls. Remind me again which one became Vader?
1) Ahsoka went out of her way, thus endangering her companions, to chase after Garnac. 2) She used a largely excessive amount of force to throw him *all* the way across the room, through a set of *heavy* doors, and over a railing to his death. That's seeking vengeance. That's overkill. That's acting like a Sith.
@@imyouralibi6208 (1 What else was she supposed to do? Just live in the jungle and not try to fight back? (2 PLENTY of Jedi masters have done things like that All I'm saying is, is she was really "acting like a Sith", she wouldn't have given him an opportunity to surrender in the first place
@@tortillarc-70x7 You seem to have misunderstood my first point. In the final fight of the two-episode arc, when Garnac retreats, Ahsoka leaves her companions to deal with the Trandoshan threat on their own while she chases after him. She had absolutely no reason to do that outside of revenge. Do you have any examples of these "plenty" of Jedi Masters doing this? Honestly, I wouldn't count it so much as some benevolent opportunity for surrender so much as she just wanted him alive so she could self-righteously preach at him, lmao. Seriously, if she was hoping he'd surrender, then why did she use that opportunity to provoke him??
@@imyouralibi6208 I see your point, but what else was she supposed to do? I'm not saying she was a perfect Jedi. I just look at this whole situation from a "what would I do in her situation?" pov. Like, okay, maybe it wasn't very "jedi" of her to follow him, but I mean, if you look at what Ahsoka and the others had to go through, I can see why she would want to put an end to it And no, I don't have any specific examples that I can think of Jedi Masters doing things like that lol Also, if you look at her life, Ahsoka isn't the kind of person to "preach" to people.
Norris? You mean Mortis? Anyway, the father said in that arc that all the Son did to Ahsoka was bring out her own darkness so it's not like she was incapable of that kind of evil before or after she was possessed (as further showcased by examples in this video). Heck, if anything, the stuff she did while possessed was pretty darn mild compared to some of the crap she pulled in other episodes of the show 😬
@@Hannah-fp8jo I mean, she both directly and indirectly caused the deaths of over 10,000 clones over the course of the series. Personally, I'd consider that worse.
@@imyouralibi6208 yeah i hate how the clones got treated but i think its mostly the jedi orders fault for sending 14 year olds to war and letting them lead squadrons
@wargamingsupernoob Hot has never been used to mean "awe", but alright. I don't know why you're in awe of a Jedi acting like she's fallen to the dark side.
You can't really blame her behavior on Anakin though, because her personality was already established from the moment she was introduced, *before* she even came to know Anakin.
I'm sorry but the fact she acts so intimidating with such a high-pitched voice I just can't take her seriously🤣🤣at least Anakin in this series had a deep enough voice to sound intimidating unlike Hayden in the movies
In defense of Hayden's Anakin, he didn't really need to sound intimidating. His looks were enough to kill, lol In all seriousness tho, making him more intimidating kinda goes against the point of his character. Anakin was a lost and broken man. It wasn't until he became Vader (or in moments like the death of his mother) that a much darker and far more frightening side of him came to the surface.
@@imyouralibi6208 Surely we can agree that Ahsoka's gratingly high squeak is anything BUT intimidating, though. I can't take her seriously when she tries to act tough
@@Solomon_C Oh, absolutely, I agree Ahsoka is laughably unintimidating. Her voice comes off as more insufferably annoying than anything else. And yeah, TCW *tried* to bring out Anakin's "Vader" side...by completely changing his personality and playing the Imperial March excessively. The 2003 Clone Wars honestly does a much better job of fleshing out his character while keeping in line with his characterization and overall arc in the movies. TCW does the complete opposite and simply mangles the character. It's painful to watch 😩
@@imyouralibi6208 Also, idk about you, but deeper voices are more sonically pleasing to listen to for me. Maybe because I am ~98Hz myself, but for both men and women, deeper voices are much easier to listen to and even sound good at times. Higher voices, especially Ahsoka's, sound annoying and grating so it's not nice to listen to a higher voice. But that's just me.
When you listen to Nick Gillard and George Lucas on how and why the Dark Side got Anakin, you really understand how little, the writers of this series, understand Star Wars and The Force itself. Ahsoka would have fall to it twice as fast than Anakin did. Even considering that he surrended himself to it willingly, at a certain point, to save Padmé, making the conversion much quicker, Ahsoka still should have turned faster than him and make her crazier than Maul as when he was found by Savage. She's much more aggressive and eager, than Anakin, more sadistic and she grows in power way faster than him (somehow), since it was stated that in Rebels she's equal to Vader in power. She's basically worse than Anakin ever was, but she has the thickest plot armor ever which prevents her from falling to the Dark Side.
Oh yeah. She definitely should've fallen. The fact that the narrative instead acts like she's "what the Jedi should be" is just one more example of her being a total Mary Sue.
@@imyouralibi6208 Imagine a story about a young optimistic padawan turned to the Dark Side not because of politics or love, but due to the constant exposure to the violence of War and the necessity to make drastic choices that not always result in acts of compassion.
@@aaronmoten953 He worked at TCW from 2006 to 2009 and was not in charge. Post Prequels he left and the company had its own CEOs, three, at the start and six by the time TFU2 was around. He's just there to check on the stats on a weekly basis and give some advise here and there. In fact, lots of things he wanted, for TCW never happened or where changed anyway, regardless of his opinions.
Ahsoka was never meat to go past Order 66 just like TCW was meant to end at Season 6, just like Ahsoka was CHANGED by Lucas and not MADE by him. He changed her name, aged her up and made her Anakin's Padawan, because the series was supposed to be about Anakin's journey throughout the Clone Wars.
Well I actually approve of the Sith yet not the rule of two and betraying each other. Had it not been for those factors I would be perfectly fine with the Sith. If you wonder why well here is the Sith Code. Peace is a lie. There is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength,I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory my chains are broken. The force shall free me.
Yes, I'm familiar with the Sith Code, and I do appreciate the idea it seems to be communicating, but that hardly seems like a good reason to excuse all the horrific things Sith have done across the eras.
I'm genuinely curious as to why you like her. Honestly, in the AHSOKA series, I saw a lot of recognizable aspects of the OG Ahsoka showing through. She's never really been a good character, tbh.
I love her!!! This show would've been so boring if Ahsoka hadn't been the sassy queen that she is. I hope that we can see more of her having fun/being laidback though.
Guess I'm a sith because _that_ is exactly how I would be if I was force sensitive Also, am I the only one who enjoyed her character from the beginning? Tbh, in the movie I was already rolling with laughter because Anakin got an augmented version of himself as Padawan, when they introduced Pietro in CW I was almost expecting Ahsoka to become a knight and have Anakin to train Pietro because he realized he likes teaching
I've seen a lot of people say they enjoyed her character from the beginning and I don't understand the appeal at all. I consider Ahsoka to be a *lot* worse than Anakin (at least, before he became a Sith) and it makes utterly no sense that she didn't turn to the dark side as he did.
@@imyouralibi6208 well, for me at least, the appeal was that Ahsoka was that Anakin got a mini-me as a Padawan, probably Obi-Wan's idea of trolling Anakin while teaching him a lesson in letting go while still forming bonds. Later, Ahsoka became her own jedi and that was satisfying to see. Tbh, creo que no cayó al lado oscuro porque, a pesar de todo, ella no estaba siendo manipulada por un sith. Ahsoka es lo qie crro huviera pasado si Sidious no se metía en la cabeza de Anakin
@@imyouralibi6208 Ahwoka is a power fantasy of every spoiled child/teen. It makes sense why she is popular with the target audience but she is not a good rolemodel for them.
You understand what kind of people have made this show when Ahsoka is repeatedly punching the helmets and armor of clones and not only does she not injure her hands but she takes them out effectively. People who have no idea of the effects of violence, no background on martial arts, no interest in how the human body works cannot depict action to save their lives. TCW's fight choreography was always shit.
Ahsoka: “the Jedi are corrupt!”
Also Ahsoka:
Right?! Not to mention she is the definition of corruption. Convincing others she’s worth defending, despite just about everything not being worth defending about her. Personality and actions.
I mean they were the ones that sended her out to be a child soldier
@@lillith3159 So? That doesn’t change the very fact, that she should never have acted the way she does, throughout all the Clone Wars. She’s not just any child. She is a child, since 3 who was part of the JEDI ORDER.
They would have never allowed for her to act this way. She would have been very peaceful, respectful, etc. I get that we have our own personality, but there is never an explanation for where Ahsoka learned her bad values.
She was already terrible before she met Anakin too. So don’t even try that. You guys make every excuse under the sun just for her. She was so incompetent and rude through all of it. The Jedi would have realistically pulled her out. But she stays for no good reason.
@bravestraven4650 It can be explained by the fact that they were in the was and desperately needed soliders on the battle field. That's why they ignored some of her actions and attitudes
@user-jr9bu7em8s Oh, yeah, that makes SOOO much sense... The Jedi were so desperate that they excused every action she made that nearly COST them the war... Stop the excuses, nothing can justify this BS.
“Good Siths follow Ashoka’s orders”
-Darth Maul, probably
Don't forget Ahsoka is Anakin's Padawan, so this makes a lot of sense🤣🤣🤣
Nah. She was already awful by the time she met Anakin. Can't blame him for her attitude/behaviour.
@@imyouralibi6208 Was she? Her first appearance is in the Clone Wars movie, in which she questions Anakin's decisions. Her choices and attitude are a direct reflection of her training under Anakin. As for the parts in Season 7. She is no longer a Jedi and is transitioning into what she is known through the main trilogy timeline as a Grey Jedi. Through the years she calms her aggression down. She was still very young when she was kicked from the Jedi Order. Seeing her in Rebels, Tales of the Jedi, and The Mandalorian, she isn't as aggressive.
@@KylePelletier714 Granted, I have not tortured myself by watching the movie yet, but I've seen several clips that show her being disrespectful and such. That's where Anakin dubs her as "Snips", after all.
Not to mention, in the earlier seasons at least, Anakin *tries* to teach Ahsoka better behaviour and she never gets anything out of it. So I completely disagree that she learns from him.
Ahsoka's behaviour in S7 is hardly different than in S1. We've got a Character Growth case study series on this channel which shows that.
TotJ doesn't count since we see maybe 5min of content of her after the end of TCW. In The Mandalorian she's absolutely still aggressive. We have yet to analyze her in Rebels. We plan to do that when we're done our TCW reaction series.
@@imyouralibi6208damn, why do you hare Ahsoka so much
@@odette5031 Where do I start? How about the fact that she's a toxic role model for kids? Yeah, that's a big one.
Plus she's worshiped as "the embodiment of the light side" (actual quote from an Ahsoka fan I responded to today), when she acts like a Sith on a regular basis throughout TCW.
On top of that, she's a total Mary Sue but fans act like she's the best written character in all of Star Wars, and that "Filoni is going to save Star Wars" by creating more stories with her.
She's a horribly written, awful character and treated like the best thing since sliced bread. So yeah, it's a bit infuriating. Lol.
I'm gonna call her Ms. Warcrime now.
'Tis a fitting name, lol
@@imyouralibi6208
Anakin: That's my padawan + Little Sister! Big Brother Ani's proud of ya ;)
Obi-Wan: *Sigh*
Anakin: Don't you *sigh* me Master! You loved fake surrenders too!
Obi-Wan: Well, at least not until your level!
*And our little green friend thought effectively making Anakin her parent was a good idea*
To be fair they gave Obi-Wan a Padawan within a day of being knighted, send an emotionally volatile former slave to investigate a slaver ring, sent Anakin to protect a senator who he clearly has feelings for and viceversa...
What I am saying the Council was clouded by more than just the Dark side 😂😂😂😂😂
@@davidmauriciogutierrezespi5244not just a padawan, they gave him the chosen one
@@ivruge yes, they did a bad job even with damage control. Because none of this would have happened if the Council had heard Qui-Gon
@@davidmauriciogutierrezespi5244 yeah
"Am I becoming THAT predictable?"
YES 😂😂😂
She actually says, "Am I becoming that predictable?" (In response to Lux commenting that she can't resist a "good fight".)
@@m.e.3251 My apologies. (Fixes comment)
@@ECSOrder66 No worries. Just wanted to clarify. :)
I loved that line can tell me what episode is that?
Ahsoka - I am not the one who is going to kill them... Maul is
OML, I never thought that Ahsoka would be this much of a Savage. Like fr even she has her own limits of what a sith can be capable of doing. Considering that Anakin did start his path to the darkside before he took her in as his padawan. 😳😳😳
Oh yeah. She's awful. We've got more examples of her bad behaviour in our Character Growth case study series here on the channel.
@@imyouralibi6208 Would be nice to include those instead of "angry face" and "fighting agressively against those who just killed her friends".
@@Сайтамен This is a meme video, not a commentary video. Certain examples worked with the video format, while certain ones didn't. Really not something you need to get triggered over.
Tbf she was a kid/teenager and learned from the guy who massacred a village himself as a teen 😭
She was raised by the Jedi from age 3; she shouldn't be like this as a teen. And really, she was already awful by the time she met Anakin. Can't blame him for her attitude/behaviour.
@@imyouralibi6208it is already there. Anakin just amplify it.
@@apiwutintongkam3149 That's an argument that can be made, yes. But (especially in the earlier seasons of TCW) he does *try* to teach her better behaviour and she doesn't take anything away from those moments.
It doesn't make sense to me to claim she learns from him if all she ever copies is his poor behaviour. That seems more like a choice on her part than a fault on his.
People in the show always blame her flaws on Anakin too.
@breadandcircuses8127 Interesting take 🤔
I disagree that her voice actress was particularly talented. Ahsoka was the first voice acting gig Ashley ever got and, imo, it really shows. Obviously, she got better; her voice acting in S7 of the series is considerably improved. And as for Rosario Dawson, I also disagree, tbh. She strikes me as a good actress, but one who is being given poor direction due to Filoni's incompetency, like all the other characters in his live action abomination. I mean, he has some pretty big name actors on his cast but they all seem to give an equally bad performance for the most part. It's definitely reminiscent of the situation with the prequels.
But going back to your point on Ahsoka's voice in TCW, I'd argue that a high-pitched voice would actually make her *less* likeable rather than moreso. If you think about it, the general trend seems to be that female villains have a high-pitched voice (think of characters like Child from Young Justice, Umbridge from Harry Potter, etc) while male villains have very deep voices.
Help I’m dying this is too funny 😂💀🤣
1:02 In Jedi Council: Acts of War, Saesee Tiin kills a tank pilot the exact same way.
I was fine with her shenanigans until she started being bitchy to a man being responsible and doing his duty despite being the one most eager to avenge satine since SHE DIED IN HIS ARMS
And also siding with Bo-Karen, a literal genocidal maniac, slaver and terrorist who wanted Satine dead and suceeded with some extra steps. And who tried to kill Ahsoka herself previously in the same show.
Furloni´s top writing, ladies and gentlemen!
"is he dead" part got me lol😅
This video brought me so much joy and laughter thank you Alibi
Glad you enjoyed ☺
Not even I can point out if you made any flaws in this video, because you didn't. Full video, spot-on. She was too overly aggressive, it's impossible to believe this girl kills Inquisitors, and isn't an Inquisitor herself 😳
Totally agree!
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@@christopherplant5579 😂
Left out the beheading of 4 mandalorians
@@SonofCurlyLox Oh yeah 😂
I feel like the bit on Mortis shouldn't count because that was The Son's influence and, for once, the narrative wasn't portraying her as being in the right as a result. The rest of the compilation is just fine, though.
Yeah, we waffled over including that one. But since she's infected by the Dark Side, and thus openly acting like a Sith, it seemed logical to include it.
I mean the first one was her pretending to be violent to make Nute Gunray, she explained it to Luminara. She also provoked Cad Bane to stop him from escaping. Almec was just torturing her and kids with the same collar, and since she was unarmed, putting it on him was the only way to stop him. Judging her for "angry face" when they are searching a guy who just killed their best friend, seriously? Or when she wants a woman who bombed Jedi temple and killed many of her friends and masters be brought to justice? How is she supposed to stop Aurra Sing, a wanted criminal escaping on a stolen ship which is shooting at her, without using her lightsaber? How is she supposed to fight trandosheans that hunt kids for sport? How is she supposed to defend herself from clones who are trying to capture her for something she didn't commit? She even told Ventress to not kill them. (Btw, they are wearing armour, they are fine). When she released Maul, she had no idea the clones were mind controlled and she needed time to figure out a plan. She didn't know he was that powerful and tried to stop him after. Won't defend the accusations against Obi-Wan though. Overall, she isn't a great Jedi and slightly overrated as a character, but not even close to a Sith or a villain.
First off, Ahsoka's body language leading up to her threatening Gunray and her later comment showing how gleeful she is at the idea of his death shows that Ahsoka was 100% serious when she threatened to gut him.
You're headcanoning. There is nothing to suggest she "provoked" Bane for the purpose of preventing his escape. She'd already caught up to him by that point. Unless you're referring to the scene from S2E3, in which case my point still stands.
Yes, she needed to get the collar on Almec but she *didn't* need to shock him with it. That was just going overboard and showing how vengeful she was (her tone and facial expression also demonstrate this).
Earlier comments seem to show Ahsoka isn't all that torn up about Kenobi's "death."
Letta was *already* facing justice, but Ahsoka clearly wanted her to suffer more (i.e. vengeance, which Anakin outright calls her on in that very scene).
There is nothing wrong with Ahsoka using her lightsaber. There IS a problem with her trying to stab Aurra directly in the face. She could've broken the glass and gone for the controls instead. Also, Aurra didn't start shooting at Ahsoka until *after* she tried to stab her in the face.
The force push that killed Garnac was so strong that it pushed him clear across the room, through a double set of thick and heavy doors, and over a railing. That's clear overkill. Plus the fact that Ahsoka went out of her way to chase after him which left her companions in danger.
Why not run away from the clones like she did before? That way no one gets hurt (and yes, the clones were clearly hurt. Ahsoka hit them so hard that she managed to immobilize/knock them all unconscious).
Ahsoka didn't know how powerful Maul was?? Yeah, I'm calling bull on that one.
Honestly, you are ignoring so much context, I have to wonder when was the last time you even watched the show.
@@imyouralibi6208 I don't know much about body language, better ask the animators. She was impatient, yes, but she understands he won't talk if he is dead, but also he is a coward, so that way of scaring him might work.
Cad Bane was escaping with valuable information and she knows she can't capture him alone, so she is buying time for Anakin to catch up.
There's really hard to aim standing on the shaking ship, but yes, it's possible she tried to kill Aurra (who just almost killed her master Plo Koon, btw). For a padawan it is not unreasonable behaviour.
What comments? Her and Anakin are clearly pissed off and keen on finding Hardeen.
I don't think Garnac or anyone cares in what way he was killed. He was shooting at her, she suggested him to surrender several times, she pushed him into a wall before and he got back up. So yes, it is a Jedi way to dispose of him.
So Anakin calls her on it, huh? I thought universe bended over her...
Why not run? Because she was surrounded and there was nothing to jump on above, duh.
Considering that he went easy on her in the battle (which was also won thanks to her plot armour, I agree), and he was paralyzed for hours right before she released him, I can see why she underestimated him.
@@Сайтамен You are headcanoning again.
There is nothing to suggest that she was buying Anakin time.
There was no shaking. The ship was steady and so was Ahsoka. She knew exactly where she was aiming.
So you agree that Ahsoka was being vengeful toward Aurra? Also, yes, it is very much unreasonable behavior for a student of the Jedi.
As mentioned in other videos, Ahsoka seems more interested in insignificant facts than in getting revenge for Obi-Wan. And she finds it strange that Anakin is grieving.
Again, Ahsoka went out of her way to fight Garnac. If she'd been more focused on helping her friends, there would've been no altercation between her and Garnac at all. Also, she never once told him to surrender. She just said "You're beaten!" (which only served to further provoke him).
Again, overkill is not a Jedi means of subduing someone.
"I thought universe bended over her..." Wow, you're desperate 🤣
Anakin also defends/excuses her behavior in the very same scene, saying she's "still very young." So his reprimand essentially falls flat.
Ahsoka wasn't surrounded. The clones were only in front of her.
Look, if you're just going to keep ignoring important context and making up your own, then I'm really not interested in dragging out this discussion.
I love the line 'I WILL GUT YOU LIKE A RHOKARIAN DIRT FISH' like wtf is that but it gets the point across beautifully.
2:11 I don't care if you're falsely accused of treason, running away from the cops or fistfighting them will make them think you're guilty.
Exactly! If she wanted to prove her innocence, she was being a complete idiot about it.
@@imyouralibi6208 She still has the mind of a kid in these situations. She hadn't matured at all. Hell, even if she was innocent of the Temple bombing, Tarkin should've been able to lock her up for years on the charge of assaulting a member of the military police, which is what those red-tinted Coruscant Guard clones were.
It is honestly a very dumb story arc from TCW all things considered.
@@GuardianAngel871 It's the dumbest arc from TCW. Worse than even the Martez Sisters.
@@imyouralibi6208 If she didn't, Anakin wouldn't have found Ventress and Barris, so he would have no evidence and she would have been sentenced to death.
It's funny. I started playing a dark side Jedi Knight in Star Wars: The Old Republic. I'm surprised how much many of the DS options are very similar to what Ahsoka does in this video. Honestly she should have been the one to fall to the dark side not Bariss. But then she's Filioni's precious little OC and she can do no wrong.
You should do one with anakin being sith for how many minutes straight this vid was funny 😂
Finally enough she makes Anakin look good by comparison.
The end proves how powerful Maul is. He literally is a born Starkiller.
No, he just destroyed the balance of the ship,used gravity and the force to direct the debris. Maul is nowhere close to Starkiller.
@@sophiemendez5567people downplay Maul's power. He was trained by the most powerful Sith in existence, hand-picked by Sidious for his natural gifted abilities.
I remember that Maul in The Phantom Menace was supposed to be nearly as strong as ROTS Anakin in the old canon prior to TCW being created.
Personally, I don't see it that way. I think it's totally legitimate that there are different opinions about Ahsoka, so don't get me wrong. Here's my opinion:
Yes, I think Ahsoka has a very bad temper, which is the reason why Yoda assigns her to Anakin. He thinks they have a positive influence on each other because they are so similar. (Works in a way, because Anakin learns what responsibility means).
But there's more to falling to the dark side than having a bad temper. Falling to the dark side is a process. And Ahsoka was never even close to becoming a true Sith.
I think it's part of her chracter story that she was always not a typical Jedi: because of her personality structure, because of Anakin's unconventional views and training methods. She learns in TCW that the world is not black and white and Jedi are not all good.
Her struggle to fight her own dark side, but at the same time not finding the Jedi as great as she finds them at the beginning of TCW, ultimately leads her to follow a whole new path. The path of the grey Jedi. Yes, she's not as fixated on the Jedi Code anymore, but she's still not a dark side user. Personally, I think it all makes a lot of sense.
You are entitled to your opinion, of course. (And the narrative *wants* you to have that opinion.) But the content itself doesn’t really support that opinion.
Pairing up Anakin and Ahsoka is a dumpster fire that the Jedi seem stupid for overlooking.
Ahsoka doesn’t learn anything or grow in any way.
And she certainly doesn’t struggle with a dark side. Despite the way she behaves, she’s basically always portrayed as right, as being ‘what the Jedi should be’.
To be clear, I agree that there’s more to falling to the dark side than having a bad temper. But we’re not claiming that Ahsoka ‘falls to the dark side’, we’re just saying she’s acting like a Sith.
Ahsoka seems to have a lot of anger and hate (and we all know what Yoda has to say about that). And some descriptions of Sith behaviour include violence and vengeance, as well as self-centered and manipulative/controlling behaviour, which Ahsoka displays a lot of, so I think it’s fair to say that she goes over that line on many occasions throughout TCW. (This video mainly showcased the violent/vengeful moments.)
Well the problem there is what you said about the Jedi not being all good or perfect. They never were, but no one is. Qui Gon was more of what the Jedi of the time were missing, but even he never thought of the Jedi as incorrect; only following the Will of the Force as they should have done. They needed to evolve and grow, hence the point of what Luke's order in the EU was intended to be. But EU Luke never condemned or judged them for those shortcomings, nor did he deny those teachings. He did however choose to question and learn from those mistakes to make things better. Even then, his order had its ups and downs with people like Kyp Durron and Gantourus; but he never gave up. Luke and Qui Gon are more of what the Jedi should have been then frankly Ahsoka has ever shown.
If she was, then if she left the order I would have it be because after everything that happened, she would realize how the dark side has permeated everything and the Force would call her to seek answers elsewhere. Like the Jedi Wayfinders of old, follow the will of the Force to where it needs her to be. Not because of any betrayal
In regards to Ahsoka, I like to spell problematic as BASED.
As in “based” you mean completely narcissistic, trigger happy, murder happy, violence happy, borderline mentally abusive and having no regard for the lives of others. Ironic near the beginning of the series she causes one star destroyer to blow up and at the end she causes another. It’s like poetry, it rhymes.
@@luckykennedy7364 Which SD does she cause to blow up at the start? I remember only her squad of fighters (which is their job and she was under the same risk as them).
@@Сайтамен The Ryloth arc and The ending of TCW. Starter stores have a crew of roughly 7000 people and the fact she was never punished for the first one is truly astounding at how much The universe bends over backwards for her.
@@luckykennedy7364 She didn't command any big ship during Ryloth arc. And the last one wasn't planned. She released Maul to distract clones who she didn't know were mind controlled and tried to stop him later.
@@Сайтамен If she wasn’t that Ryloth the whole operation would’ve gone off without the deaths of over 7000 people. The fact she never even remotely considered the consequences of releasing Maul also speaks volumes to her stupidity watch the show glosses over and constantly framing her in a positive light.
Don't forget about the time she force choked a guy for a little bit
I think that Ahsoka should be called Darth Alice (since Alice is a girl's name and Alice rhymes with Malice)
Anakin did well rubbing off on her, lol
Nah. She was already awful by the time she met Anakin. Can't blame him for her attitude/behaviour.
3:04 Hello, I am Ahsoka Tano. And I approve this message. 😂
do we want to talk about when she beheaded a defenseless protocol droid?
I can't seem to remember that scene...mind jogging my memory?
@@imyouralibi6208 in The Clone Wars 2008 movie when they reach the base where Jabba's son is located, a separatist protocol droid deceives them, after the attack of the separatists and what follows Ashoka and Anakin reach a small separatist ship which they steal, a ship where the droid was boarding to leave the battlefield. After destroying the guarding B1s, Ashoka decides, after a dialogue with the droid, to decapitate him, making an unnecessary kill. So I can understand that that droid was a bastard, that Ashoka is an impulsive girl and that droids are seen as practically second class citizens in Star Wars, but considering the bond she quickly forms with R2, going so far as to kill a droid which did not represent the slightest danger is excessive. I also hate when they show droids as perfectly sentient and have free will albeit with limitations, only to kill them without any problems two seconds later (another example that comes to mind is when Kit Fisto beheads Grevious' doctor)
@@manudiferro5284 Ohhh, that explains why I don't remember it. I have yet to watch the movie in its entirety (not looking forward to that).
Not to mention how Ahsoka positively fawns over R3 to the point where she disregards the safety of Anakin and their men. Her entire character is just a walking contradiction 🙄
And yeah, the inconsistent treatment of droids in general is definitely a problem, even across some of the movies, IIRC.
@@imyouralibi6208 well, taking only the 6 original Star Wars films into consideration, the only excessive treatment towards droids that I remember was that of the erasure of C3P0's memory, for the rest there are mentalities that highlight the lack of consideration that they have, but they are not like that marked, even considering opposite shortings, such as Padme rewarding R2 (this isn't a false memory of mine, right?). However, the question deserves to be actually explored in the universe and so far the canon has done it very badly, not only with horrible characters like Lando's droid, but by having characters who have droids as trusted friends and who so they know that they are more than just a machine, cof cof Sabine cof cof. I've only been interested in the fantastic Legends for 2 years and so I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the issue is better developed here. Good luck with the movie anyway, it's literally one of the worst things I've ever seen, being literally made up of episodes glued together
@@manudiferro5284 Yeah, you're remembering correctly, Padme did reward R2.
To be fair, if I, like Sabine, ever had to spend a lot of time around a droid like Chopper, I would *definitely* not consider droids as friends 😆
Yeah, I heard that the TCW movie was just four episodes shoved together and all I have to say to that is OOOOOOF 😩
Anyway, I'd also be interested to know if Legends handles the droid issue better 👀
I’ll never understand why the order didn’t just kick her out. This is not behavior worth keeping as a Jedi at all. Since she never actually grows. They should just kick her to the curb. But also, how the heck did she end up like this? Growing up with the Jedi? In the first place?
EXACTLY!!
@@imyouralibi6208 I think you’re forgetting that she was brought in at the Jedi temple when she was only like a few years old. The Jedi definitely taught her this and also when you think about the war that definitely contributed a ton
She is Anakin in so many ways could’ve been taken down by the dark side but she wasn’t. She stayed true.
And I seen you said she is a Mary sue NO That is not true she has lost and gotten hurt in so many battles where she has lost friends and clones
Yes she was very savage and did some bad things but you’re also forgetting Anakin did teach her to do some of these things because that was her master. She’s seen him do some terrible things so it’s bound to have a repeat.
@@keyblox925 Last time I checked, the Jedi don't make a point of raising their students to act like Sith, quite the opposite in fact.
And if the war was responsible for the change, then there should've been a notable progression in Ahsoka's behavior rather than her already being arrogant/violent/self-centered from the moment she was introduced.
"She is Anakin in so many ways" Which doesn't make sense, given her childhood was vastly different from his.
"could’ve been taken down by the dark side but she wasn’t" Which also doesn't make sense given how often she behaves like a Sith. If anything, I'd argue she should've turned to the dark side *before* Anakin.
Anyway, we have a two-part video series on defining Mary Sues and why Ahsoka is one so I'd recommend giving that a watch.
Ahsoka learned nothing from Anakin. Her deplorable behavior was already present from the second she stepped onscreen.
You think this is bad look at her master lol
@@kurtpunchesthings2411 ikr
She learned all the war crimes from Anakin prbly
Unironically, yes.
Ahsoka shouldn't have treated Maul like a disposable tool after Order 66. She should've worked with him and together they should've tried to break into the Venator's communications. Then together they could use a combined mind trick through the ship's PA system to put the clones into a deep sleep until they can figure out what to do with them. They could've saved the ship's crew together and maybe even have an entire army with them to take on Sidious with. Instead, she treated him like a disposable twat, which is very much a Sith thing to do.
Interesting. I've never heard of mind tricks being possible like that. 👀
But yeah, there's a bunch of ways Ahsoka could have, *should* have, handled the situation that would be way more Jedi-like.
@@imyouralibi6208 Have Maul and Ahsoka focus their power together and tell the Clones to "sleep" with a Jedi mind trick. Like how three Jedi combined their mind tricks to nearly break Cad Bane's mind, but make it a gentle "sleep" command instead. Then they could go poking in their soldiers' heads and removing those chips one by one. Voila! The 332nd would be ready for action, with Maul and Ahsoka leading them against Palpatine.
Her abandoning Maul like that really made me wish the clones killed her on that bridge. He was just as much a pawn as she was, and they needed to work together.
Maul is a twat who can't be trusted.
@@HolyknightVader999 I wonder how the chips would interfere with the effectiveness of the mind trick. Since the clones are kind of already being mind controlled. 🤔
And I guess I should have clarified that I meant I'd never heard of mind tricks working when aimed indirectly, like over a PA.
And yes, seeing Maul and Ahsoka work together to get out of that situation could have been really interesting. I mean, she worked with Ventress in similar circumstances, so it wouldn't have been much of a stretch for her to team up with Maul.
You are basing this entirely on the chance that Maul would even help her. Maul at this point could care less about not killing clones. He would just rather get out of there as soon as Ahsoka took her eyes off of him.
Thanks for the upload. :D
Np 👌
Love this
ok but Anakin flexes having 67 like its a good thing lol
Lol, your point? The point of the video is to show moments of Ahsoka acting like a Sith. Anakin literally *becomes* a Sith, bro. It's not good behavior in either case 😂
Palps did infact, know what he was doing.
1:16
That shouldn't count, Ashoka was not in control of herself.
Why shouldn't it count? The title is "Ahsoka Acting Like a Sith". It doesn't say anything about whether or not she's doing it of her own free will. So that scene clearly fits the criteria.
I feel like you’ve left out some crucial context from some of these… Like, most notably, how else was she supposed to escape a ship of Order 66 brainwashed clones?
It'd be fine as an escape plan so long as the narrative doesn't paint her as saintly for doing it. "I'm NoT gOiNg To KiLL tHeM." Yeah, hun, except you're still directly responsible for their deaths. She can hardly feign ignorance either given she knows how dangerous Maul is and explicitly orders him to "cause chaos." The creators could've had her grappling with guilt, knowing her actions led to everyone onboard (aside from Rex and herself) dying, but no, she's painted as *saintly* 🙄
The narrative is so disingenuous, smh
@@imyouralibi6208She could’ve said "Cause a distraction, but don’t destroy the ship's core. If that happens, we all die anyway and neither of us will be able to escape."
He’d probably reason with that since it’s a generally fair trade. Him and Ahsoka aren’t direct enemies at that point since the clones are hunting them.
I really have no idea why she just up and said 'cause chaos'. She’s talking to a former Sith who was nearly as strong as ROTS Anakin when he was Palpatine's apprentice back in The Phantom Menace.
cant forget the time when she convinced 2 other untrained girls to overthrow a goverment. Anakin was surprised, but only a tiny bit
You mean the Academy episode?
@ i suppose so
To be fair she said herself that she’s no Jedi
That wasn't until S7 of The Clone Wars. And by the time the AHSOKA series rolled around, she was apparently a Jedi again.
@@imyouralibi6208fair enough
She was way worse in early days, she's mellowed out abit, she's grown, which is what we want to see in SW unlike ReY
Well, she certainly didn't grow throughout TCW.
And honestly, Ahsoka's not much better than Rey. They're both Mary Sue characters.
@@imyouralibi6208 agree to disagree
@@imyouralibi6208 how do you think Ahsoka is a mary sue? This video inevitably proves she is violent, hot-headed, arrogant, and overconfident. All these traits are similar to Anakin's flaws. Yoda specifically put Ahsoka and Anakin together so they could both learn patience and to forgo attachments and emotions. The reason why so many find Ahsoka to be a good character is that she started off as arrogant and hotheaded. Most of the Ahsoka episodes involve Ahsoka learning important lessons; patience/listening to orders (Lightsaber Lost), letting go of attachment (Jedi crash), temperance (Storm over Rhyloth), leadership/independence (Padawan lost), don't let feelings cloud judgement (the war on 2 fronts), teaching/responsibility (A test of strength), finding herself (The Wrong Jedi), The Jedi were too corrupt (Gone with a trace), and not everything is black and white (Heroes on both sides).
To say that Ahsoka and Rey are similar, being both Mary Sue characters is ridiculously absurd.
All Rey's development is: lived in desert, now fights with Resistance with a lightsaber.
So, either you have never seen the clone wars entirely, or you lack a mental capacity.
People used to hate Ahsoka to start with. How do you think that changed Sherlock? CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT.
@@robr7815 Wow, quick with the insults, aren't you? Even though you haven't even given me a chance to respond.
We have a two-part video series here on the channel breaking down how to identify a Mary Sue and why Ahsoka is one. I recommend you watch it.
And to see how, contrary to your claim, Ahsoka *doesn't* change or grow over the course of the series, I'd recommend our Character Growth series on Ahsoka.
@robr7815 I appreciate the strawman, it tells me not to engage with you unironically.
To the idiots using Ahsoka being trained by Anakin as a way to justify her acting like the Sith, just remember you're talking about filoni-sanitized Anakin here. The one who seems to have been discovered by the Jedi at 5 and not at 9/10 like in the unadulterated and true Star Wars.
1:19 you can clearly see the yellow eyes, meaning she doesn't just act like a Sith, she is probably one and is constantly using force mask.
Wait does that mean she is Plagueis??? (After essence transfer)
Well, in that instance, she was actually possessed by the dark side. But her behavior there is just a dialed up version of her regular personality, so sure, I could absolutely buy that she was always just a Sith in disguise, lol
I love it!
Thank you! 🥰
That first line was in a children’s book, by the way.
Wait, what? For real??
@@imyouralibi6208 I should know, I read it!
The REAL Anakin would DESTORY Ahsoka.
Agreed
Okay, but I think 1:16 shouldn't be here, she's intentionally supposed to act like a Sith in that clip, it's the point of the episode.
This compilation is called "Ahsoka Acting Like A Sith" so why would I not include an instance where she's blatantly acting like a Sith?
@@imyouralibi6208 I mean, I suppose? It does still feel very different from the other clips, since acting like a Sith is justified in this scene alone.
I got a good laugh from this video. Yeah, it's like she always has one foot in the dark side, and the other on a banana peel. And, what's up with Ahsoka these days? (series) It seems she only has two speeds, wide open or stop.
Glad you enjoyed 👍
Been hearing a lot about the Ahsoka series. Let's just say I'm *very* glad I decided against watching it, lol. Sounds like the most boring thing Disney's produced for Star Wars so far 😂
So far, it's not as bad as the Prequels. There are some good parts but not sure if it will be enough to refresh the franchise. I know that's not saying much, though. This show needs to be epic, but three episodes in, I don't see that yet. It seems Sabine is taking front seat at times. I am waiting to see if there is a reason for Ahsoka being so laid back. Wisdom? Age? A pinch of spice perhaps? I don't know. If you did a review on this show, I'm sure you would have plenty to write about. lol@@imyouralibi6208
Oh wow she plays good cop bad cop with Nute Gunray but wasnt even planning on hurting him. She just wanted to make him crack.
Meanwhile Anakin literally Force chokes Poggle the Lesser and beats Rush Clovis half to death for messing with his girls.
Remind me again which one became Vader?
1:28 BRO, they literally wanted to SKIN her, and she still tried to spare his life. Not very Sith-like if you ask me.....
1) Ahsoka went out of her way, thus endangering her companions, to chase after Garnac.
2) She used a largely excessive amount of force to throw him *all* the way across the room, through a set of *heavy* doors, and over a railing to his death.
That's seeking vengeance. That's overkill. That's acting like a Sith.
@@imyouralibi6208 (1 What else was she supposed to do? Just live in the jungle and not try to fight back?
(2 PLENTY of Jedi masters have done things like that
All I'm saying is, is she was really "acting like a Sith", she wouldn't have given him an opportunity to surrender in the first place
@@tortillarc-70x7 You seem to have misunderstood my first point. In the final fight of the two-episode arc, when Garnac retreats, Ahsoka leaves her companions to deal with the Trandoshan threat on their own while she chases after him. She had absolutely no reason to do that outside of revenge.
Do you have any examples of these "plenty" of Jedi Masters doing this?
Honestly, I wouldn't count it so much as some benevolent opportunity for surrender so much as she just wanted him alive so she could self-righteously preach at him, lmao. Seriously, if she was hoping he'd surrender, then why did she use that opportunity to provoke him??
@@imyouralibi6208 I see your point, but what else was she supposed to do? I'm not saying she was a perfect Jedi. I just look at this whole situation from a "what would I do in her situation?" pov. Like, okay, maybe it wasn't very "jedi" of her to follow him, but I mean, if you look at what Ahsoka and the others had to go through, I can see why she would want to put an end to it
And no, I don't have any specific examples that I can think of Jedi Masters doing things like that lol
Also, if you look at her life, Ahsoka isn't the kind of person to "preach" to people.
@@imyouralibi6208 Also, I do want to say that most of your video made me laugh lol
Okay the Norris trilogy doesn't count lol she was corrupted by sith
Norris? You mean Mortis?
Anyway, the father said in that arc that all the Son did to Ahsoka was bring out her own darkness so it's not like she was incapable of that kind of evil before or after she was possessed (as further showcased by examples in this video). Heck, if anything, the stuff she did while possessed was pretty darn mild compared to some of the crap she pulled in other episodes of the show 😬
@@imyouralibi6208 yeah my autocorrect doesn't exactly like me. That that's really fair too
@@imyouralibi6208 tbh she didnt really pull that much crap in the show compared to the mortis arc where she tried to kill anakin and obi wan
@@Hannah-fp8jo I mean, she both directly and indirectly caused the deaths of over 10,000 clones over the course of the series. Personally, I'd consider that worse.
@@imyouralibi6208 yeah i hate how the clones got treated but i think its mostly the jedi orders fault for sending 14 year olds to war and letting them lead squadrons
don't fully know if I agree with the sith idea but nice video
nah, she is just chaotic good. anyway it's the firs time i could laugh at the order 66 part
You're giving her way too much credit, lol. Honestly, she's chaotic neutral at best.
@@imyouralibi6208 maybe you'r right
ah yes, seeds of the dark side planted by her master
Definitely not by her master. Ahsoka was like this from the moment she stepped onscreen.
0:15 what part is it?
You mean the part where she's provoking Grievous (S1E7) or the part where she's all gleeful about the idea of Gunray getting killed (S1E9)?
@@imyouralibi6208 thanks, but I was already able to find what I wanted
Is something wrong with me if I find this hot?
Yes.
@@wargamingsupernoob Yes, she is a child...
@@ECSOrder66 Not in the sexual way! No! more in the "I'm in awe" way.
@wargamingsupernoob Hot has never been used to mean "awe", but alright. I don't know why you're in awe of a Jedi acting like she's fallen to the dark side.
@@ECSOrder66 Something about that badass side of her just draws me in.
Ahsoka Tano is My favorite/ the best!
Sith fan? Okay. 🤷♀
@@imyouralibi6208 Ahsoka & Darth Vader are My favorite & My favorite Clone Trooper is Rex.
Ahsoka sucks! She is overrated
Anakin is her master so all this is understandable
You can't really blame her behavior on Anakin though, because her personality was already established from the moment she was introduced, *before* she even came to know Anakin.
@@imyouralibi6208 i partly still do but ya
I'm sorry but the fact she acts so intimidating with such a high-pitched voice I just can't take her seriously🤣🤣at least Anakin in this series had a deep enough voice to sound intimidating unlike Hayden in the movies
In defense of Hayden's Anakin, he didn't really need to sound intimidating. His looks were enough to kill, lol
In all seriousness tho, making him more intimidating kinda goes against the point of his character. Anakin was a lost and broken man. It wasn't until he became Vader (or in moments like the death of his mother) that a much darker and far more frightening side of him came to the surface.
@@imyouralibi6208 I see your point. I think they tried to bring more of his "Vader" side out in the clone wars, hence the deeper voice.
@@imyouralibi6208 Surely we can agree that Ahsoka's gratingly high squeak is anything BUT intimidating, though. I can't take her seriously when she tries to act tough
@@Solomon_C Oh, absolutely, I agree Ahsoka is laughably unintimidating. Her voice comes off as more insufferably annoying than anything else.
And yeah, TCW *tried* to bring out Anakin's "Vader" side...by completely changing his personality and playing the Imperial March excessively. The 2003 Clone Wars honestly does a much better job of fleshing out his character while keeping in line with his characterization and overall arc in the movies. TCW does the complete opposite and simply mangles the character. It's painful to watch 😩
@@imyouralibi6208 Also, idk about you, but deeper voices are more sonically pleasing to listen to for me. Maybe because I am ~98Hz myself, but for both men and women, deeper voices are much easier to listen to and even sound good at times.
Higher voices, especially Ahsoka's, sound annoying and grating so it's not nice to listen to a higher voice.
But that's just me.
LOL😂😂.
Ahsoka and Anakin AKA give it away
When you listen to Nick Gillard and George Lucas on how and why the Dark Side got Anakin, you really understand how little, the writers of this series, understand Star Wars and The Force itself. Ahsoka would have fall to it twice as fast than Anakin did.
Even considering that he surrended himself to it willingly, at a certain point, to save Padmé, making the conversion much quicker, Ahsoka still should have turned faster than him and make her crazier than Maul as when he was found by Savage.
She's much more aggressive and eager, than Anakin, more sadistic and she grows in power way faster than him (somehow), since it was stated that in Rebels she's equal to Vader in power.
She's basically worse than Anakin ever was, but she has the thickest plot armor ever which prevents her from falling to the Dark Side.
Oh yeah. She definitely should've fallen. The fact that the narrative instead acts like she's "what the Jedi should be" is just one more example of her being a total Mary Sue.
@@imyouralibi6208 Imagine a story about a young optimistic padawan turned to the Dark Side not because of politics or love, but due to the constant exposure to the violence of War and the necessity to make drastic choices that not always result in acts of compassion.
George Lucas created Ahsoka and was over seeing the first 5 seasons. She grew in power because anakin was training her.
@@aaronmoten953 He worked at TCW from 2006 to 2009 and was not in charge. Post Prequels he left and the company had its own CEOs, three, at the start and six by the time TFU2 was around. He's just there to check on the stats on a weekly basis and give some advise here and there. In fact, lots of things he wanted, for TCW never happened or where changed anyway, regardless of his opinions.
Ahsoka was never meat to go past Order 66 just like TCW was meant to end at Season 6, just like Ahsoka was CHANGED by Lucas and not MADE by him. He changed her name, aged her up and made her Anakin's Padawan, because the series was supposed to be about Anakin's journey throughout the Clone Wars.
Well I actually approve of the Sith yet not the rule of two and betraying each other. Had it not been for those factors I would be perfectly fine with the Sith.
If you wonder why well here is the Sith Code. Peace is a lie. There is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength,I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory my chains are broken. The force shall free me.
Yes, I'm familiar with the Sith Code, and I do appreciate the idea it seems to be communicating, but that hardly seems like a good reason to excuse all the horrific things Sith have done across the eras.
@@imyouralibi6208 I would say that the ones who used it wrong were the ones who corrupted it.
the ahsoka we all love. i will wipe ahsoka disney show out of my memory 🙄
I'm genuinely curious as to why you like her. Honestly, in the AHSOKA series, I saw a lot of recognizable aspects of the OG Ahsoka showing through. She's never really been a good character, tbh.
I love her!!! This show would've been so boring if Ahsoka hadn't been the sassy queen that she is. I hope that we can see more of her having fun/being laidback though.
I think you're confusing "sassy" with "disrespectful"
Obi-Wan is a much better example of a sassy character.
@@imyouralibi6208 I'm not tryna argue here 😭 We can both enjoy what we enjoy, we. But thank you for telling me your opinion nonetheless.
Idk why everyone is hating on Ahsoka, she's my favorite character, and these mean, in true comments are stupid. The video is funny, but still
Guess I'm a sith because _that_ is exactly how I would be if I was force sensitive
Also, am I the only one who enjoyed her character from the beginning? Tbh, in the movie I was already rolling with laughter because Anakin got an augmented version of himself as Padawan, when they introduced Pietro in CW I was almost expecting Ahsoka to become a knight and have Anakin to train Pietro because he realized he likes teaching
I've seen a lot of people say they enjoyed her character from the beginning and I don't understand the appeal at all. I consider Ahsoka to be a *lot* worse than Anakin (at least, before he became a Sith) and it makes utterly no sense that she didn't turn to the dark side as he did.
@@imyouralibi6208 well, for me at least, the appeal was that Ahsoka was that Anakin got a mini-me as a Padawan, probably Obi-Wan's idea of trolling Anakin while teaching him a lesson in letting go while still forming bonds. Later, Ahsoka became her own jedi and that was satisfying to see. Tbh, creo que no cayó al lado oscuro porque, a pesar de todo, ella no estaba siendo manipulada por un sith. Ahsoka es lo qie crro huviera pasado si Sidious no se metía en la cabeza de Anakin
@@imyouralibi6208 Ahwoka is a power fantasy of every spoiled child/teen. It makes sense why she is popular with the target audience but she is not a good rolemodel for them.
@@Mouse_Metal Very true!
You understand what kind of people have made this show when Ahsoka is repeatedly punching the helmets and armor of clones and not only does she not injure her hands but she takes them out effectively. People who have no idea of the effects of violence, no background on martial arts, no interest in how the human body works cannot depict action to save their lives. TCW's fight choreography was always shit.
Amen 👏