That one where she's shot by a ship's blaster point blank is so stupid i completely forgot about that one 😂 and even how she puts weight on it seconds later absolute nonsense
Wow, I occasionally notice some of these, but I never thought it would be this serious to this extent. One can't help but wander if her skin is made of Baskar.
@@lillith3159 Yeah. But she should have outgrown it by then by the time of I don’t know, Season 5 to 7? Sure the signs are not as noticeable anymore. But they’re there.
@@lillith3159 I mean, the scenes from the early seasons make up maybe a quarter of the video, so not really, no. This is very clearly a consistent thing. If anything, it becomes more egregious over time, especially in the S7 finale.
Wow and she got stunned like 4 times at once in their new tales series and she somehow doesn't suffer brain injury or damage to her central nervous system, like that can't be easy on the heart man, I feel like this would cause a heart failure or cardiac/respiratory arrest.
@@AnakinSkywalkerwasweak Lol, turns out it was actually five times (which I unfortunately only remembered just recently). She was literally shot in the hand at the end of S7E11. She shouldn't have been able to use both her lightsabers after that, which would've made her even *more* likely to die during Order 66. Seriously, her level of plot armor is absolutely unreal. I don't know how people can watch her getting shot multiple times and just shrugging it off and somehow think The Clone Wars is "peak Star Wars" when this show is literally as bad as the sequels 🙄
To be honest I like Ahsoka, but even I laughed on this compilation and I am amazed by how much she survived, she should have been dead many times by now.
Except if Bane exceeded Ahsoka in skill (as he logically should) then he wouldn't need to "fake" his defeat. He could just defeat her and take her hostage. Faking your defeat is something you do if you can't match the person you're going up against. Which means that Ahsoka was in fact the initial victor in that situation, which is absurd.
@@imyouralibi6208 I don’t agree, and honestly, after seeing your other comments, I see that what I thought was a fun video came from hate. Basically, your opinion is biased. Think what you want of the scene. I still think you are wrong.
@@Meushell I mean, if you want to interpret fair criticism as "hate" then that's your prerogative, I guess. But if anything, it indicates that you are the biased one here ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
If you want to witness the thickest plot armor, watch the "Fast and the Furious" franchise. Or, by that logic, observe Rey in the "Star Wars" sequels, where she becomes overpowering despite lacking proper training. Also, take a look at other shows like "Superman," where he occasionally faces attacks with Kryptonite, a substance meant to guarantee death. Another example is the nuclear town scene in "Indiana Jones," where numerous ridiculous events occur. In these instances, plot armor is as clear as day. So, if you believe this is the worst plot armor you've seen, I hate to tell you that you haven't witnessed the real deal yet.
@@FallenJedi66 Well thank you for your points. But all I said was that this was the thickest plot armor I have seen up to this point. I never said it was the thickest one ever. And your comment still doesn’t invalidate that Ahsoka’s plot armor is really high.
@@bravestraven4650 Fair enough, but if you want my take on Ahsoka, read the comment feed. I currently posted a comment and I'm having a discussion about this with the UA-camr who uploaded the video. Right now, it should be rather easy to find it.
In contrast, "whataboutism" is a variant of the tu quoque fallacy (itself a specific kind of ad hominem). It occurs when someone attempts to discredit their opponent by calling them a hypocrite rather than addressing their opponent's argument itself. In whataboutism specifically, you don't call the opponent a hypocrite per se, but rather, you just point out the bad things your opponent has done. These may or may not have any relevance to the topic at hand, and you act as if that disproves the opponent. This is often done to deflect criticism and is considered fallacious because the truthfulness of what your opponent says is independent of what they do. In this case, I was just providing an example of "compare and contrast," which refers to noting the similarities and differences between two or more things. The subject I was talking about was plot armor. There was no malicious intent or disrespect towards anyone. Therefore, your statement about me trying whataboutism is totally irrelevant and used incorrectly. When this person replied back, I said "fair enough" and went along with my day. However, the comment has been hidden or removed by the host of the comment section, so some might not see my reply. But I assure you, I did not show any disrespect or refer to someone as a hypocrite. It's just a simple case of compare and contrast. Also, my comment keeps disappearing, so if you see this posted more than once, that's why.
how the hell did she get electrocuted so many times and not die at least once, they somehow always electrocute enough to knock her out but not kill her, like wtf!
tbh this is funny as an ahsoka stan but tbh she was trained/learning by/from anakin and a few others throughout the war, and in the wrong jedi arc, anakin did say to not shoot to kill so...
I feel like this isn't just Ahsoka but it's every Star Wars protagonist.😐 (Ahem-Luke blew up the Death Star despite having 0 military experience by succesfully using the force despite only training he ever got at the time being taking a shot from a little laser ball-Ahem) (Ahem-Obi Wan being hit by Dooku's lightsaber twice and getting just scratches from it instead of losing his entire arm and leg-ahem) (Ahem-9 years old Anakin blew up a Lucrehulk completelly by accident-ahem)
just whatched it all the way thru and ye she just needed training to survive that^. but other than that plot armor is really strong with her. i love love love Ahsoka btw cant wait S2 :D
A video that shows the truth of the matter. That truth being that the smug-ass "space cowboy" was the harbinger for KK's agenda to ruin Star Wars. Also in response to the one about her getting shot by the equivalent to an artillery piece aka a Laser Cannon, she actually got hit in the back around where her heart is. That should have basically vaped a large section of her upper torso, she should NOT have survived that.
From the moment we first saw her in that horrible 2008 theatrical “the clone wars” film she already had put in the invincibility and the unlimited powers cheats codes😂😂😂 #AshokaIsAMarySue
@@faith518 give “I’m your alibi” all the credit in the world for pointing that out. When the fans had to deal with Rey as the face of Star Wars for the last several years, we unknowingly move the goalposts of what a Mary Sue was. We were so shocked and outraged with Rey as this ultimate plot armor character (and especially a character that actively mocked and was better at all of the attributes of the classic three Star Wars characters from the original trilogy) that so many people began pointing out that Asoka was “the” way to write female characters which is embarrassing to think about in retrospect. Rey is the final and ultimate form of Asoka. And it was the owner of this channel who made me realize that.
@@thesentinel5523 I never liked Ahsoka from the start. When I was younger I started being very vocal about how much I didn't like Ahsoka and why and I met the wrath of mostly every star wars fan. So I basically had to cancel myself and keep my mouth shut, feigning a liking to a character I despised. When I found Alibi and ME's videos, I found validation in my way of seeing Ahsoka, as a badly written character. One thing I don't understand is why fans get so triggered by their videos? Like... if you go on YT and search for videos explaining why Rey is a Mary Sue or why the Sequels suck, you'll find hundreds of them and people are fine with those. But when a content creator chooses to do Ahsoka Analysis videos, they get bashed in the comments for it. Ahsoka fanatics just can't handle any form of criticism towards their little pet, like Filoni can't let go of his OC and I bet by the end of 2026 that Ahsoka is gonna become immortal. Anyways, we have to make the #AhsokaIsAMarySue hashtag popular enough to be noticed.
6:04 You just saved my fanedit, lmao. I was so close to finishing the TCW re-edit, but it appears I have more work to do. Guess I have to find a way to make it look like comms AREN'T DOWN. For the scene to work. :)
I can add one: how does a padawan have the power necessary to hold a small ship for a few minutes? In the same series we have moments where Jedi Masters don't even try to block the enemy ship, by which I mean we don't have the power to do so, but if a Padawan can block a small ship for a few minutes, the Masters should be able to do that and more, so why didn't Obi Wan and Voss block Cad Bane's ship?
Exactly!! Though that's not really an instance of her plot armor and moreso an example of just how insanely overpowered she is. Always bugged me that people criticized Rey for holding a ship in place but not Ahsoka. "Oh, BuT aHsOkA hAd TrAiNiNg, UnLiKe ReY!" What training?? We certainly never saw any formal training in TCW itself. And she couldn't even be bothered to finish, having walked away from the Order when she was still in her teens. Yet she outperforms Jedi Masters on a constant basis. That's what you call a Mary Sue, folks.
@@manudiferro5284 Because Star Wars always had some plot conveniences like that. For example, we see in Kenobi that Vader is able to hold a huge ship. Why didn't he do that in Rogue One? Also, we see in Empire Strikes Back that Yoda can lift a fucking X-Wing without even trying. So Vader must also be able to do that, right? Why didn't he force pull luke on Bespin, then? He had order to capture him. But, after Luke threa himself into the pit, Vader just watches without doing anything. Why didn't he force pulls Luke? And, guven that we are speaking about Vader, in season 6 of Clone Wars, there is a scene where Anakin can't lift both Padme and Clovis because they're too heavy and that resulted in Clovis killing himself. Why didn't Anakin force pull both of them? That way, Clovis would not have died. And thsoe are just a few examples. The point you presented really is plot convenience but definitelly not plot armor because things like that have been happenning since forever. And, when I mean forever, I'm talking since 1980, so there's even no way of blaming it on Ahsoka' plot armor or Disney.
But why would he "deceive her by letting her beat him" in order to capture her? As we point out in the video, he easily held his own against two Jedi Masters. He should be able to wipe the floor with Ahsoka and capture her that way. No deception necessary. ~M.E.
I can't even think of a quarter as many examples of plot armor as egregious as this for either Anakin or Obi-Wan, though if you can, feel free to list them here. And if you can produce any legitimate explanations for these scenes that I haven't already seen and debunked, then again, feel free.
@@imyouralibi6208 The most obvious example is the order 66 scene. In Tales of the Jedi we literally learn that she was trained for such a situation (with multiple clones shooting at her from all around her). Also it's Star Wars, we don't know how electrocution affects Togrutas, we don't know how advanced the healthcare is, etc. It's very unreasonable to complain about her not getting brain damage from falling a couple times.
@@skydetheking She was very conveniently trained for an event that none of the Jedi could have foreseen. That's indicative of plot armor in and of itself. Not to mention, the training only prepared her to face off a handful of clones, not an entire cruiser-full. No amount of training will ever explain that away. Electrocution/being knocked out seems to affect her the exact same way it affects other characters in the series. There is absolutely no notable difference in how she reacts to it as opposed to how others react to it. There is no additional force/effort required to knock her unconscious than compared to anyone else. And my argument is not that she should have brain damage from "falling a couple times." I would recommend watching Geetsly's "17 times Ahsoka Tano gets knocked out" video since he explains that being electrocuted so many times can cause serious brain damage. And the training sequence in Filoni's Tales of the Jedi series is even worse, because she is being stunned/knocked out repeatedly for hours with absolutely no chance to rest or recover. Even being knocked out once for *15 minutes* can cause brain damage (if you don't believe me, look it up). So she would absolutely have brain damage or else be dead (probably the latter).
To be fair, Ahsoka is far from the only SW character with OP abiliities/plot armor. Anakin is an absolute powerhouse. I just looked up some moments and was able to put together a compilation - it's up on my channel and is called "Anakin/Vader being A Powerhouse For 5 And A Half Minutes"
Gave it a watch. I do want to point out that you brought up a lot of instances of Anakin going up against far less experienced, less powerful opponents (Clovis, Barriss, Ahsoka, Luke, Reva), so his victories there are not indicators of being OP or having plot armor. As for when he goes up against more accomplished fighters like Ventress, Cere, and Dooku, you have to remember that there's an important reason for why he can stand on near equal footing with such opponents. He's the Chosen One. His midichlorian count is through the roof. He has been confirmed to have the potential to surpass Yoda himself. Ahsoka has no such reasons, so she's not really comparable to Anakin. Though I will agree that Vader surviving the exploding bookcase was a bit absurd. But, hey, it's video game logic. And Star Wars video games have a bit of a track record of blowing force-users' abilities out of proportion ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@imyouralibi6208 The fact that he can knock Dooku over in 10 moves when Dooku is one of the greatest duelists in the galaxy shows how absurd his physical strength is imo
@@imyouralibi6208 Yeah idk either. I did kinda assume that he wasn't - but I could be wrong. Maybe he's using it all the time hence why he walks everyone down so fast.
@@imyouralibi6208 The thing is, he breaks his opponents so quickly 99% of the time and then Obi-Wan held out for several minutes on Mustafar. I do wonder if his physical strength got nerfed in that fight 'cause if he can knock Dooku over in 10 moves then there is no way that Obi should be able to withstand minutes of enraged Anakin strikes imo
I want to start by saying that, as a huge Ahsoka fan, I did find some of this funny. However the intent behind it was not. So I'm gonna make a quick case for her defense. First of all, EVERY main character has some level of plot armor. It's unavoidable. Second, it has been established that Ahsoka was a prodigy. She had a lot of force power and potential as a youngling in the temple, and that was obviously a major factor in her getting chosen to be Anakin's padawan. Just like him when he was her age, lots of power and potential, needs training and self control. Third, Ahsoka was a very skilled duelist, so I don't know why it's hard to believe that she could beat Ventress and Grevious, especially later in the series. Also, because she has the life-force of the daughter inside her, she possesses great power and potential and is like an embodiment of the light itself, especially later in her life, like in Rebels. When she was being pursued by clones, Anakin obviously told them not to harm her, which is why they were hesitant to shoot. Also, Ahsoka is extremely fast and agile, it makes sense she would be able to dodge lots of clone blaster shots. As for her being in confined spaces with numerous battle droids, her power and skill can easily get her out of the situation alive. If you remember correctly, characters such as Maul, Savage Oppress, Anakin, and Mace Windu have been in situations with MANY more droids attacking them than Ahsoka. And Ahsoka had been training throughout the war with Rex and the 501st shooting stuns at her, so that combined with her superior skills with a lightsaber and force power is more than enough to survive order 66. Also, Ahsoka had quite a few rare force abilities that she could've been utilizing this entire time, it was just never expounded upon. There's a lot more in your video that I could rant about, but I forgot.
Yes, every character has plot armor but nowhere near to the extent Ahsoka does, unless they are also a Mary Sue/Gary Stu. "She had a lot of force power and potential as a youngling in the temple" This was not established like you claim it was. "Ahsoka was a very skilled duelist, so I don't know why it's hard to believe that she could beat Ventress and Grevious" Because Ventress and Grievous are both highly skilled Jedi killers who have gone toe-to-toe with some of the most gifted Jedi in the Order and either come out victorious or at the very least gave their opponents a run for their money. Ventress has gone toe-to-toe with Anakin himself and permanently scarred him. Grievous gave Jedi like Mace Windu and Obi-Wan Kenobi a run for their money. Not to mention the numerous Jedi masters he killed beforehand. Killing a padawan should be a walk in the park for both Ventress and Grievous. Ahsoka might be skilled for her age, but there is absolutely nothing to make up for the many more years of experience that Jedi *Masters* have in comparison to her. And if you're saying there somehow is, then you're simply admitting that she's a Mary Sue. "she has the life-force of the daughter inside her, she possesses great power and potential and is like an embodiment of the light itself" Yes, she was given life by the Daughter, but that doesn't mean she was given the Daughter's powers too, or that she's the "embodiment of the light." That's pure headcanon. There is absolutely nothing in the series to support that. "it makes sense she would be able to dodge lots of clone blaster shots" Are you referring to her Tales of the Jedi training? Or the Order 66 sequence in TCW? Because neither makes sense. We're shown how Jedi Masters like Ki-Adi-Mundi, Depa Billaba, and countless others were gunned down in seconds flat. Because no amount of training can counteract overwhelming numbers. Not to mention, the amount of brain damage Ahsoka would've gotten from being knocked out so many times in her training sequence would've killed her within that first day alone. The fact that she survived either of those two events is indicative of Mary-Sue-levels of plot armor. "her power and skill can easily get her out of the situation alive" You're ignoring how I pointed out that *Grand Master Yoda* himself struggled with a similar amount of battle droids in an open space. Are you saying Ahsoka is more powerful and skilled than Yoda? Because if so, then you are again admitting that she's a Mary Sue. "Maul, Savage Oppress, Anakin, and Mace Windu" You just referenced multiple characters who are vastly more skilled than Ahsoka and thus would logically be able to handle larger threats. You're really not helping your case here. "Ahsoka had quite a few rare force abilities that she could've been utilizing this entire time" What "rare force abilities" are you referring to? Because she wasn't established to have any in The Clone Wars. Also, this is pure speculation. I'm going to need actual evidence, not just more headcanon. "it was just never expounded upon" That's called bad writing. Which you don't seem to be very good at identifying...
I was expecting those moves in the Ashoka series even her fight with vader on rebels beats any episode of the series in my opinion, but two things that did stand out to me in the series was Bayland Skoll had the exact same mind set that Count Dooku had except the betrayal by the Jedi was much worse and before engaging in a fight he tells Ashoka he used to talk to anakin a lot, that tells me if Anakin wasnt in arguing with kenobi in war or not seeing the Chancellor or making out with Padme, he was talking to Bayland.
She really is. There's an article where Dave Filoni says, “I like to think that Ahsoka paved the way for a character like Rey” so even he sees the similarities (though, of course, he considers those similarities to be all good things).
I never watched anything with Ashoka in it and have mostly been watching watch-alongs and the like. However, after watching Reaper's review of Tales of the Jedi, it really stuck out to me that Ashoka is just proto-Rey. This video and the talk with Theo just confirmed it for me.
Yep. It bugs the heck out of me that people will bash Rey into oblivion (rightfully so) but then turn around and act like Ahsoka is the second coming when they are both *clearly* Mary Sues. Hell, Filoni even said in an interview that he feels like Ahsoka helped pave the way for characters like Rey in Star Wars, and I can't help but agree. Considering the extensive damage Ahsoka's character has caused to the franchise, I'd almost say she's *worse* than Rey.
@@imyouralibi6208 Firstly, it is important to acknowledge that both Ahsoka and Rey are both female characters who have made it into the Star Wars saga. However, Ahsoka's character development and journey differ greatly from Rey's, and it is unfair to label Ahsoka as a Mary Sue while overlooking Rey's own narrative arc. Ahsoka's journey as a Jedi began under the tutelage of Anakin Skywalker, the Chosen One himself. Unlike Rey, who suddenly discovered her Force abilities in the sequel trilogy, Ahsoka underwent years of rigorous training and faced numerous challenges to hone her skills. She earned her place alongside Anakin through hard work and determination, not through a sudden influx of power. Ahsoka's character growth is evident throughout the animated series "Star Wars: The Clone Wars" and "Star Wars Rebels." She learns from her mistakes, faces personal dilemmas, and struggles with the moral complexities of war. This depth and complexity make Ahsoka a relatable and well-rounded character, far from the one-dimensional portrayal that some associate with a Mary Sue. Moreover, Ahsoka's abilities in the Force are not simply handed to her. While she is indeed depicted as Force adept, this is attributed to her dedication to training and her strong connection with the Force. Her skills are earned through experience and hard work, rather than being conveniently acquired when the plot demands it. In contrast, Rey's rapid progression in mastering various Force techniques and her ability to effortlessly defeat skilled opponents have led to criticisms of her character being a Mary Sue. Rey's abilities seem to manifest without much explanation or training, which can be seen as inconsistent and unrealistic. Additionally, Ahsoka's character is not immune to vulnerability or consequences. Throughout her journey, she experiences loss, betrayal, and emotional turmoil. Her choices and actions have lasting impacts on both herself and those around her. This adds depth and complexity to Ahsoka's character, making her more relatable and human.
@@FallenJedi66 Umm, yeah, I'm just gonna point you to our character growth series talking about Ahsoka and our case study on why she's a Mary Sue. Feel free to look them up.
@@imyouralibi6208 A Mary Sue is a term commonly used in literature and film to describe a character who is considered too perfect or unrealistic. It refers to a character who possesses an excessive amount of desirable traits, such as beauty, intelligence, and skills, without any significant flaws or challenges. This term originated from a parody fan fiction character named Mary Sue, who was created as a self-insertion of the author. Now, let's discuss why Ahsoka Tano, a character from the "Star Wars" franchise, is not a Mary Sue. Ahsoka Tano was introduced in the animated series "Star Wars: The Clone Wars" as the Padawan learner of Anakin Skywalker. She later became a key character in the "Star Wars" universe and played a significant role in the rebellion against the Galactic Empire in "Star Wars Rebels." 1. Growth and Development: Ahsoka Tano undergoes a significant character arc throughout her journey. Initially, she is portrayed as an impulsive and headstrong young Jedi, but over time, she learns valuable lessons, faces challenges, and grows into a more mature and wise character. Her growth and development showcase her flaws and the need for her to overcome obstacles to become a stronger individual. 2. Imperfections and Mistakes: Ahsoka Tano is far from being perfect. She makes mistakes, faces difficult decisions, and experiences failures throughout her story. These imperfections make her relatable and humanize her character. She learns from her mistakes and takes responsibility for her actions, which adds depth and complexity to her personality. 3. Vulnerability and Emotional Depth: Ahsoka Tano goes through moments of vulnerability and emotional turmoil. She experiences loss, betrayal, and heartbreak, which have a profound impact on her character. These emotional challenges allow viewers to connect with her on a deeper level and empathize with her struggles. 4. Skills and Abilities: While Ahsoka Tano possesses impressive skills and abilities as a Jedi, it is important to note that she undergoes rigorous training and practice to develop them. She doesn't simply excel in everything effortlessly, but rather works hard to refine her combat skills and Force abilities. Her growth as a Jedi is portrayed realistically, and she faces numerous challenges that test her abilities. 5. Supportive Relationships: Ahsoka Tano relies on the support and guidance of others throughout her journey. She forms strong bonds with characters like Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, and Captain Rex, who play pivotal roles in her development. These relationships highlight the importance of teamwork and collaboration, rather than portraying her as a sole hero who can accomplish everything on her own.
It is very difficult to shoot a moving target especially when the shooter is running along behind her. She also can sense when shots are fired at her very much due to Anakin training her defense in close range shooting. She is also very good with djem so and is good at dueling. And I’m not sure about this but being a togruta may give her an advantage with injuries. She might have faster healing or high adrenaline
Not really. It explains how she might be able to hold her own against a handful of clones, which is already hella overpowered considering much more accomplished Jedi Masters weren't able to withstand that much, but it doesn't explain how she was able to survive a literal cruiser-full of clones. That just reeks of plot armor. Not to mention, it is WAY too convenient that Ahsoka just so happened to receive training to prepare her for an event that no one in the Order could've possibly seen coming. Also, the training itself should've caused her enough brain injury to kill her right then and there. It explains nothing, just creates more problems.
@@imyouralibi6208to be fair, most Masters were caught off-guard by the behavior of the clones, also add them losing concentration because they feel the suffering of fellow Jedi nearly all at once. If they were concentrated and prepared they would have deflected the bolts easily ( not from all directions tho)
@@idiocrat3744and asoka wasn't overwhelmed because ? Literally all of these things applied to her as well. She got lucky again because for some reason the clones didn't start blasting the moment order 66 was issued
@@lokay7233 Just like Ki-Adi-Mundi, there was literally a stare-off before the clones blasted him into oblivion. I'm also surprised the clone did not start blasting him as soon as Order 66 was issued, just like you mentioned with Ahsoka about how you were confused they didn't shoot first and ask questions later.
Both Luke and Anakin lost their hands. Anakin lost most of his body. Luke got bodied by the Emperor. Han got frozen in carbonate and suffered temporary blindness. Leia saw Alderaan fucking explode, Han got tortured in Empire to lure in Luke who felt his pain.
Yeah, most main characters have plot armour to some extent - hence why heroes typically survive their stories at all. But most main characters will still suffer varying extents of personal harm. (Lucky Kennedy already provided some examples.) Ahsoka's plot armour is extremely thick, to an unbelievable extent, and so she just breezes through everything without a scratch. That's what differs her plot armour from other SW characters.
@@bryanhung2546 How would you even know who Delmo is? Or that he apologised and for what? Unless this is another alt... but no, it can't be, right? Delmo was banned for spamming comments with the same crap over and over again and creating alts to circumnavigate bans is expressly against UA-cam rules. But of course Rie wouldn't do that, right? I mean, harassment is something he learned not to do when he commented on one of my videos a few months back. But still your statement gives me pause. Are you, or are you not Delmo, dear commentator? Questions, questions.
@@bryanhung2546 "If she's a bad character, why does she have her own show" The show confirmed to be directed by Filoni, who favors Ahsoka to the highest depth? Are you seriously asking that question? "She's OP in Galaxy of Heroes, cuz she isn't a Mary Sue" 😂 Oh sweet child, a Mary Sue IS OP! 🤣
Yeah, literally, Anakin got burned like a steak kabob, and Luke Skywalker was stuck upside down when the Wampa could have easily slashed Luke by the throat with the Wampa's sharp claws. Maul survived. Also, are we literally forgetting that the Empire let a criminal syndicate have Han Solo instead of killing him on the spot? I'm literally laughing out loud right now. Are we also going to forget Boba Fett, who should have died but plot armor saved all these characters? I have many more scenes I could add, but hey, Star Wars has been doing this since before Disney acquired the franchise. To only call out Ahsoka only seems to me from a place of hate, trolling, or simply hating the character because she was a new addition to Anakin's story that many fans can't get past the fact that George Lucas demanded that Ahsoka be Anakin's Padawan. Feel free to discuss it with me down below if you think my views on these matters might differ from other people's perspectives.
Neither Anakin nor Luke have even a quarter as many examples of plot armor as Ahsoka or anywhere near on the same level of egregiousness. The very fact that you mentioned the instance of Anakin being severely burned pretty strongly refutes your whole point. I'm more than happy to call out obvious moments of plot armor for *any* character, so there's no need for you to jump to conclusions. Yes, Maul surviving was dumb. Boba surviving is debatable. The reason I'm choosing to focus on Ahsoka is because so many fans blindly worship at her altar, so I'm highlighting some of the issues with her character in an attempt to clarify that, no, Ahsoka is not as amazing a character as everyone makes her out to be.
@@imyouralibi6208Firstly, let's address the comment about Anakin's severe burns refuting the point of plot armor. While it is true that Anakin suffered severe burns in the battle with Obi-Wan Kenobi, his survival can still be seen as plot armor. Despite the overwhelming odds and the severity of his injuries, Anakin miraculously survives and is transformed into Darth Vader. This can be seen as a plot device to continue his story arc and play a pivotal role in the Star Wars saga. Similarly, Luke Skywalker also exhibits plot armor throughout his journey. For instance, in "Return of the Jedi," Luke faces off against the Emperor and Darth Vader, two powerful Sith Lords. Despite being overpowered and on the brink of defeat, Luke is ultimately saved by the redemption of his father, Darth Vader. This moment can be seen as a form of plot armor, as it allows Luke to survive and ultimately defeat the Emperor. Now, shifting the focus back to Ahsoka Tano, it is true that she has had instances where her survival seemed unlikely. However, it is important to consider the context and narrative purpose behind these moments. Ahsoka's survival in certain situations can be attributed to her resourcefulness, skill, and the bonds she has forged with other characters. These moments serve to highlight her growth as a character and showcase her resilience. Furthermore, it is worth noting that Ahsoka's popularity among fans does not solely stem from her survival in precarious situations. Her character development, moral complexity, and the impact she has on the Star Wars universe are all factors that contribute to her fanbase. Ahsoka is a symbol of hope and resilience, exemplifying the Jedi values while navigating her own path.
@@FallenJedi66 Bro...I don't think you know what plot armor/plot devices are. Suffering severe, life-long injures that greatly hamper the character in question is *not* plot armor. If you want me to break it down further: 1) Skin isn't something that burns easily, so it made sense for the fire to burn out on Anakin relatively quickly, preventing him from burning to the point of death. 2) Sidious arrived fairly quickly and gave him critically required medical attention. Plot armor is something that cannot reasonably be explained away. The points I listed above make it more than reasonable that Anakin survived. For Luke, the audience was already made aware that there was still some good in Vader, so it's not as if Vader's redemption is completely unexplainable. Granted, his inner goodness could've been made a bit more clear, but overall, I think the execution was fine. Ahsoka's so-called "resourcefulness, skill, and bonds" do not explain away her surviving impossible odds, like facing a famed Jedi-killer such as General Grievous while being a mere padawan, not just once but *twice* and going toe to toe with him both times despite the fact that he should easily overpower her. Same goes for her encounters with Ventress. In Cloak of Darkness, the writers have Ventress blatantly ignore multiple opportunities to kill Ahsoka, despite the fact that a skilled assassin would *never* do such a thing. Same goes for Maul. He killed Qui-Gon and forced Obi-Wan to tap into the dark side to defeat him, but apparently a *teenager* can defeat him *while* completely disarmed? Yeah, not buying it. And again, the writers have Maul ignore a clear opportunity to cut the beam out from under Ahsoka and send her plummeting to her death. And do I really have to get into the sheer absurdity of how she survived an entire cruiser-full of clones trying to kill her with the help of only *one* other person despite more experienced masters being gunned down in seconds flat by a mere handful of clones? And don't bother bringing up her training in TotJ because it only makes her plot armor *more* egregious for the following reasons: 1) It was awfully convenient for Filoni to retcon into existence some special training for Ahsoka in order to aid her in an event that *no one* could see coming. 2) Being knocked out that many times should've given her severe brain damage if not outright killed her. 3) In those training sequences, she only faced a handful of clones, *not an entire cruiser-full.* Honestly, I'm starting to wonder if you even watched the video... "Ahsoka's popularity among fans does not solely stem from her survival in precarious situations" Dude, that's a strawman. I never said that. You really need to stop leaping to conclusions.
@@imyouralibi6208 Bro, I understand what you're saying about plot armor, and I do know what it means. However, I think you may be overlooking some key aspects of Ahsoka Tano's character development and the narrative choices made by the writers. Firstly, let's address the concept of fate in relation to the Mortis arc. The Father of Mortis did tell Anakin that his future and past were predestined. However, this does not necessarily mean that every event in Ahsoka's life was predetermined. While it is true that her path crossed with the Mortis beings, it doesn't automatically equate to plot armor, but it could also very well be plot armor. The events on Mortis served as a test for Anakin, and Ahsoka's involvement was part of that narrative arc, meaning Ahsoka's fate could have been a part of the chosen one prophecy, leading to that speculation. Furthermore, the Daughter of Mortis sacrificing herself and transferring her life force to Ahsoka can be seen as a plot device to further the story and add depth to Ahsoka's character. It is not simply a case of plot armor, but rather a deliberate narrative choice to explore the themes of sacrifice and the balance between light and dark. In regard to Ahsoka's survival in various encounters, it is important to consider her resourcefulness, skill, and the bonds she has formed. Ahsoka is portrayed as a capable and strategic fighter, constantly learning and growing throughout the Clone Wars. Her survival can be attributed to her abilities and the relationships she has fostered, which provide her with support and assistance in difficult situations. While it may seem unlikely for Ahsoka to face formidable opponents like General Grievous, Ventress, or Maul and come out on top, it is not without explanation. Ahsoka's determination, adaptability, and ability to think on her feet contribute to her success in these encounters. Additionally, her opponents may underestimate her or make tactical mistakes, allowing her to seize opportunities and turn the tide in her favor. Regarding the Clone Wars episode "Cloak of Darkness," it is important to remember that Ventress had her own motives and may have had reasons for not killing Ahsoka outright. The complexities of character motivations and the dynamics of the ongoing conflict can influence the decisions made by characters. As for Ahsoka surviving encounters with clones and overcoming overwhelming odds, it is important to note that the narrative allows for individual character arcs and development. Ahsoka's experiences and training have shaped her into a formidable force, enabling her to face challenges that others might struggle with. While the portrayal of her survival may seem unlikely, it is not inherently illogical within the framework of the story.
@@FallenJedi66 More strawmans, speculation, and vaguely referencing Ahsoka's "growth" while ignoring information I've provided. Yeah, I'm not gonna bother.
I think a more impactful death for her would've been at the hands of Anakin during Order 66. It would've further cemented just how far he'd fallen, turning against Obi-Wan, Ahsoka, and even Padme.
@@imyouralibi6208 I prefer a much more unique death, when he is Vader and all Jedi are gone and he basically puts the final point in his way to darkness (which, as we know, went very different from what he originally planned). Plus she dies saving Kanan and Ezra and before that has a meaningful moment with Rex.
He had to take her by surprise in order to get the upper hand; he clearly *couldn't* go toe-to-toe with her given how easily she bested him in their confrontation. But when facing two highly skilled Jedi Masters, Bane didn't need to rely on surprise at all. In fact, he casually threw away his chance at a surprise attack, and had little problem going toe-to-toe with the both of them. So, yes, that very much *does* indicate some heavy plot armor for Ahsoka.
You've honestly pointed out a lot of good ones in this video. The one's mentioned that I can personally justify is her being being able to somehow tank explosions from a short distance due to force wielders being fairly durable, at least in lore (although sometimes starwars generally can contridict that) her being surrounded during order 66 I believe is justified mainly due to tales of the jedi during a lesson given by anakin (im sure you know which episode I'm talking about) very convenient especially for a situation like that but with that in mind; force wielders (even tho it doesn't seem like it on screen that much) move very fast and have a very fast reaction time when they aren't caught off guard, combat wise of course, reaching speeds of sound or less at minimal. Coupled with the fact that force wielders can predict (to a degree) what their opponents next move will possibly be if focused enough. So it only comes down to the fact that she not only received training from anakin that specifically aids her in a situation of being surrounded by the enemy, but also she can be a fast thinker in desperate situations (sometimes) and also looking at it from a lore standpoint as well when it comes to how much of an advantage a force wielder has in a dangerous situation. Also her and rex surviving the ship crash while everyone else dies pretty much I wouldn't entirely consider plot armor in the sense of "she just so happened to be ok because she's a main character" (if that's not what you were entirely implying I apologize😅) but more of, she's agile, trained and also force sensitive (meaning similar to how she can sense danger from people that pose a threat, she can also do that with her environment and or objects around her, even tho that can be pretty inconsistent as well with more than just ahsoka so you can take that however you want😅. It's more or less a dollar store version of spidermans spidey sense and that in itself can be plot armor for spiderman😂) so she'd generally have a bit less of a difficult time actually escaping and successfully so than most of anybody else on board.
So i really only tackled 2 things that was mentioned in the video, everything else i agree with👍. Also I apologize for typing so much btw, I couldn't really state much without adding in more detail here and there😅
@@trivon8615 Ehh, I don't think it's fair to say a force-user is somehow more durable *just* because they're a force-user. When Anakin was caught in an explosion in Season 1 Episode 13: Jedi Crash, he was completely unconscious for nearly a full episode and had to receive treatment. But when it comes to Ahsoka, being *directly* next to an explosion doesn't so much as leave a mark on her. It doesn't add up. *Strongly* disagree with your point regarding the Order 66 scene. Tales of the Jedi excuses nothing and only makes Ahsoka's plot armor *more* egregious. It is WAY too convenient that she would just so happen to receive training for an event that no one could've foreseen. And she only trained with a handful of clones, not a whole cruiser-full with *thousands* of troopers. Being bombarded on THAT scale would have you dead in seconds. But NOPE! She's fine, even though Jedi Masters such as Ki-Adi-Mundi and Ima-Gun Di were gunned down in seconds flat on a *much* smaller scale despite not being caught off guard. Like I said, it doesn't add up, and it puts Ahsoka on Mary-Sue-levels of absurdity.
She loses literally every fight in the first season of the Clone Wars and does some epic fails for which she is punished. Her performances do improve over time. For some of the stuff we have explanation from Tales of the Jedi and the TV show and Rebels. She is also a Togruta so her species allows for some play with stuff.
Season 1 literally has one of her biggest victories. She outsmarts and defeats a Separatist fleet at the end of Storm Over Ryloth. And she easily dispatches droids in the Mystery of a Thousand Moons episode despite being infected with a deadly virus. I can count the number of times she was "punished" on one hand. And I say "punished" in quotation marks because they were hardly punishments at all. Her willful disobedience in Storm Over Ryloth should've gotten her court martialed. Instead, she gets a light scolding from Anakin. In Holocron Heist, when she makes the exact same mistake as she did in Storm Over Ryloth (willfully disobeying orders and putting her men in harm's way, showing that she doesn't learn at all from her errors), Anakin excuses her behavior and she's put in the perfect position to play hero in the climax of the episode. So throughout a 133-episode series with over 50 hours of runtime, Ahsoka was "punished" twice, even though she continues to prove herself to be willfully disobedient and careless of others' lives throughout the rest of the series, breaking orders in the Citadel arc and endangering the mission (though, of course, the writing props her up), breaking orders and revealing the Republic backing behind the rebels on Onderon and thus causing most of them to be wiped out (though the narrative conveniently ignores this). And there are more examples too. Though the worst thing is probably Ahsoka's reasoning behind these actions. In the Citadel arc, she broke orders and endangered lives for the sake of bragging rights: "You're breaking into the Citadel. No one's ever done it!" In the Onderon arc in S5, Ahsoka has no problem with letting the king become a martyr, but when General Tandin willingly sacrifices himself, she suddenly has a problem with that and stupidly decides to intervene. Tales of the Jedi explains nothing. It just further breaks the established power scale. Jedi *cannot* defend against countless blaster bolts. Ima-Gun Di and Ki-Adi-Mundi both died quickly when surrounded and outgunned, and they were *Masters* while Ahsoka was merely a padawan. It is not physically possible to defend oneself in a scenario where you are surrounded and outgunned. And Tales of the Jedi had Ahsoka defending against a handful of clones, not a literal cruiser-full.
@@imyouralibi6208 I think you are assuming part of the story and disregarding other parts. Ashoka was a veteran of the clone wars and faced blaster fire many times and not only that but fought with the 501st and Anakin who always had the hardest battles and were considered hero`s of the Republic so it makes sense that she had more battle experience than a lot of the Jedi. We see something similar in "Attack of the Clones" where many jedi died but Anakin managed to survive while reflecting blaster fire from all sides and he thought her how to do that. We also see her literally preparing for this and not being caught off guard like a lot of the other jedi. That fight with Bane where she kicked his ass is another good example. It`s shown and implied through the entire series that she is far above average in hand to hand combat. She catches Bane off guard who underestimates her and then she gets electrified and loses. She did lose that fight. When she was training with Anakin and the 501st they literally say that she passes out for extended periods of time so it does have an effect. I also kind of feel like you`re getting too technical about it for no reason. If we are being real Star Wars has some of the worst "lightsaber duels" out there. They do a lot of spinning and backflips and stuff that looks cool but if I give you an actual sword you would not fight like that and yeah I know I know some will say "Well they have the force bla-bla-bla" but realistically learning to change the length of your saber mid fight or turning off and on again your saber is way more effective than having people stare at each other from 10 cm away.
@@cowboybeboop9420 "I think you are assuming part of the story" Speak for yourself. Your entire point on Ahsoka being able to survive Order 66 is based on headcanon. Where in TCW does it confirm that Ahsoka has more battle experience than most Jedi? Where in TotJ does Anakin reference how he survived the Battle of Geonosis? Oh yeah, nowhere. Also, comparing Ahsoka to the Chosen One and trying to insinuate that she could somehow achieve his level of skill at her age just doesn't work at all. "We also see her literally preparing for this" Yes, suspiciously convenient, isn't it? Add that to the list of evidence for her obscene plot armor. "She did lose that fight." Only because her arrogance allowed her to be caught off guard. Otherwise, she explicitly won the fight. If you have to trick your opponent in order to beat them, then it's clear they are above your skill level, which is an absurd thing to say for a seasoned, Jedi-killing bounty hunter about a 14-year-old padawan with zero onscreen training. "she passes out for extended periods of time so it does have an effect" "learning to change the length of your saber mid fight or turning off and on again your saber is way more effective than having people stare at each other from 10 cm away" What do these things have to do with anything we've been talking about? 🤨
@@imyouralibi6208 Let me get this straight.......Ashoka has plot armor because - she survived getting shot after training to survive getting shot because droids were always shooting at her which is "convenient" - she lost a fight but we never see her train on screen to prepare for the fight So basically according to you when we see her train that`s plot armor and when we don`t see her train that`s plot armor again. It makes no sense. If you watch episode two of the Prequels you`ll see Anakin as a padawan surviving blaster shots from multiple angles. We also see him training Ashoka how to do that. We also know he was one of the best duelists in the order and we know he trained her to lightsaber duel at least as much as he did by his own words. We see evidence of this both in Rebels and in the Ashoka show. She also doesn`t win most of her fights. She originally losses all her fights and slowly starts improving over time. If you watch the episodes in chronological order you`ll see the change. Also being born "the chosen one" doesn`t automatically make you good at anything. You still have to work for it. For example Anakin was very good at dueling but had shit force abilities. Obi-Wan had lower force sensitivity than almost everyone in the order and yet Anakin couldn`t overpower his force powers in RoS. Anyway, I think you`re just shitting on a cool character for no evident reason. Ashoka was supposed to be an annoying character on purpose in the beginning of the show and then they had her mature over time. I`m guessing you just never got over the initial introduction. I don`t think we`ll come to an agreement about it though. Nice chatting to you though! Goodbye!
@@cowboybeboop9420 "- she survived getting shot after training to survive getting shot because droids were always shooting at her which is "convenient" - she lost a fight but we never see her train on screen to prepare for the fight" LMAO!! These are blatant strawman arguments. I never made either of those points; you're just putting words in my mouth. My *actual* points were: 1. Ahsoka receiving specialized training for an event that no one could've foreseen is incredibly convenient and another indicator of her ridiculous plot armor. 2. We never see Ahsoka *ever* train onscreen for *anything* throughout TCW, so her above-average abilities are never believably explained. And again, I am not counting supplementary material, so you're going to have to do better than just pointing to shows like Rebels, Tales of the Jedi, or AHSOKA which were all made years later. If I have to go to supplementary material in order to understand a story, that's a very clear indicator of poor writing. "She also doesn`t win most of her fights." I don't know why you're still harping on this point since I never made the argument that she does. While, yes, she doesn't explicitly win most of her fights, she never actual suffers real losses. She can hold her own pretty well in most fights and walk away completely unscathed. When was the last time you remember Ahsoka suffering a serious injury, one that affected her across several episodes rather than just one? When did she ever lose someone deeply important to her and have to grapple with her grief across multiple episodes? When did she ever have to tap into the dark side in order to come out on top in a confrontation? I'll tell you when: NEVER. Because Ahsoka can't really lose. "Also being born "the chosen one" doesn`t automatically make you good at anything." Another strawman. I never said that. But it definitely does lend to Anakin having a natural talent which gives him the potential to reach a level which most other force-users could only dream about. "Ashoka was supposed to be an annoying character on purpose" That's actually a misconception. Interviews from Dave Filoni/Ashley Eckstein show that their intention was for Ahsoka's character to be likeable from the beginning. Also, Ahsoka most definitely does not mature/grow either. We have a Character Growth series on her stagnation over the course of TCW which I'd recommend you watch. And FYI, I actually started out as a fan of Ahsoka, so you're hardly in a position to make assumptions about my mindset regarding the character.
Honestly, if not for Ahsoka's plot armor, she would barely have lasted long enough to free him. Her presence should've made little to no difference. And that's not even taking into account the fact that the clones should have absolutely no reason to kill either Maul or Ahsoka since neither of them are Jedi. This entire arc is made of stupid, so you're wasting your time trying to rationalize anything.
@@imyouralibi6208Being that I have a reputation to maintain, I specify that I am not a fan of Ashoka, nor of The Clone Wars, nor of Filoni, furthermore I believe that they are among the most overrated things on our globe, surpassed only by Italy (I'm Italian so I can say it). That said, on this specific topic I still stand by my point of view: 1) Even if Ashoka had died after 2 minutes without the plot armor, it would still have taken Maul two minutes longer, and in the end he doesn't show particular aversion or hatred towards her, so he doesn't even have that much determination to kill her. And the risk of her trying to interfere with his escape wasn't that great, but in such a chaotic situation it was unlikely to happen, even if it actually did happen in the end. 2) So I don't understand the logic in the Maul and Ashoka not being "Jedi", the inhibitor chips (Clone Command 66, full of shader Legends>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Nuance Nullifier and Plot Hole Maker Chip Canon) should identify all force users as Jedi and thus target all force users except Vader and Palpatine. Sorry for my English I use Google translate for do this comment
@@manudiferro5284 Np, your English is great 👍 Gotta say I disagree with the idea that Maul didn't hate Ahsoka's guts. She snubbed him during their fight, ruined his plans and jeopardized his safety by using her Mary Sue powers to defeat him, and then later started ordering him around like a dog. And this the same Maul who survived for *years* after being cut in half simply by holding a grudge. The look he gives Ahsoka after she orders him off positively screams "I hate you." He absolutely would have/should have killed her. I also disagree that the clones should've just labelled every force user a Jedi. By that logic, Vader would not have been treated as an exception and would've been shot down like everyone else. (I'm not counting Palps since, IIRC, he never explicitly revealed his powers in front of any clones.) Anyway, thanks for clearing up that you're not a TCW/Ahsoka fan. I honestly wasn't sure from your original comment 😅
@@imyouralibi6208Indeed Maul must not have liked Ahsoka, and certainly in a calmer situation he would have killed her, however in the situation in which they were even a few minutes ahead they can be fundamental, furthermore counting the in Star Wars the Clone Wars universe logic Maul must have thought that Ashoka was good enough to get away with it, after all she beat him (obviously this reasoning of Maul makes no sense applying a real logic to the series, but in the idiotic and non-credible logic of the series itself yes, I hope I explained myself well) if he had killed her there, after having killed a platoon of clones would have literally had the whole ship against him and would have died. As for the Chips it makes sense that Palpatine told the Kaminoans to include in them the order not to kill him and Anakin/Vader and actually in the canonical Vader comics, the clones not knowing Vader's post-Mustafar appearance when he they see them identify him as a Jedi and try to kill him
@@manudiferro5284 Oh, lol, yeah, I don't typically count TCW's in-universe logic 😂 Wait, the clones actually tried to kill Vader?? I can't imagine that ended well for the clones 😅
0:04 I don't feel like that one counts as "excessive" plot armor. Maybe it is plot armor but not an excessive one. We've already seen babies her age using the force in an effective way before. For example, there's the baby rhodian from The Clone Wars season 2 episode 3. He was literally making a ball float around.
@@imyouralibi6208 I dunno. Neither me or you are jedi. I mean, we don't know exactly how the force works but it's canonically proven that force sensitive people have different talents. Ezra Bridger, for example, is canonically very talented in connecting to animals. Maybe Ahsoka is as well? Maybe connecting to an animal isn't harder than making things float, it just depends on people talents? I think both are pretty possible explanations.
@@AlexandreSardeiro I mean, we literally never see Ahsoka use Beast Control outside of that one episode in Tales of the Jedi, so it doesn't make sense to say she's proficient with that ability. And if we're using Ezra Bridger for comparison: 1) Ezra was fourteen, not a baby. 2) He still struggled initially with learning Beast Control, despite it being an ability he was natural talented at. 3) To manipulate a creature several times his size like Ahsoka did, he had to tap into the dark side. Again, it's a very notable difference.
@@imyouralibi6208 I wasn't comparing her to Ezra, it was just an example. However, if we speak about other times Ahsoka used beast control, she succeded in using the jedi mind trick twice first try in Clone Wars. So I think it's safe to say she's talented in jedi mind powers. But, of course, that's not enough evidence, I just thought it was worth bringing that up. However, the same way there are no evidence of beast control being easy, there's also no evidence of it being harder than other force powers, such as moving objects without touching them. Instead, we have evidence that babies are, indeed, able to use the force in an efficient way. To make it short, there's evidence of babies using force powers while there's no evidence of beast control being harder than moving objects. You presented the point that Ezra needed practice to achieve beast control. However, Luke Skywalker also needed 3 years worth of practice in order to make his lightsaber fly into his hand atvthe beginnkng of Empire Strikes Back. Therefore, Luke needed practice to make something a baby did naturally. Same way, Ezra needed practice to make something a baby did naturally. And there's no evidence of beast control being harder than moving objects. Therefore, my point stands. It probably depends on people aptitudes. Kinda like there are people who are good at math while there are people who are good at history. The rhodian baby was good at making things float while Ahsoka was good at beast taming. As I said before, it may have been plot armor but not an excessive one. (Unless you also consider Luke, Ezra, Anakin, Obi Wan, etc, to also have excessive plot armor)
You know what? I wouldn’t mind this much plot armor if they had just let her stay dead after rebels. It makes no sense for her to be alive by the time of the OG trilogy.
The plot armor would definitely still bug me but it'd at least be a small comfort knowing the character had a good death. Personally, I think she should've died back in the Clone Wars, but I could let that slide too if only Filoni hadn't pulled the World Between Worlds out of his rear end. And now that he's used it *twice* to resurrect Ahsoka, it really is clear what it's sole purpose is, smh
Most every character, but especially protagonists, have plot armour to some degree. It’s typical in stories that characters survive obstacles so that the plot can continue. But, when a story is well-written, plot armour is invisible. When “plot armour” is used as a *criticism* it is because it is too visible - it breaks suspension of disbelief that the character survives. Such is the case with Ahsoka. ~ M.E.
That's fine, of course it could be better but considering that almost every memorable character in that series is untouchable... It is not something special.
Well yeah, if you're only comparing her plot armour to the rest of TCW, overall that series has really poor character writing. But if you compare her to Star Wars characters in general (such as Anakin losing his hand to Dooku due to his arrogant and rash behaviour), she's a glaring example of having overtly thick plot armour.
@@imyouralibi6208, I think their character writing is good. The dialogues between the main trio is awesome as well as clones, everything about them is great. I do not really see any problems aside from power level inconsistensies.
@@Вартанян-ъ3в Just because you like the dialogue doesn't mean the characters are well-written. Anakin is completely out-of-character almost all the time with his Han Solo swagger, and Obi Wan is out of character half the time as well. Ahsoka is horribly inconsistent. Padme is dumbed down. Not to mention Mace Windu and Yoda. And the clones having so much diverse personalities isn't technically true to character either. Plus the plot armour issues and the power level inconsistencies, as you admitted. It all adds up. TCW character writing isn't very good at all.
@@imyouralibi6208, I suppose you compare them with characters in movies and that's why you say they are inconsistent. I did not watch any of movies but should we really compare them and TCW to determine the goodness of the characters? TCW series can really stand on its own, it is better to view them as the unique adaptation.
@@Вартанян-ъ3в Comparing TCW only to itself is a valid exercise, but it doesn't help much. Ahsoka is horribly inconsistent just within the series itself, and Anakin isn't much better. The power levels are all over the place. That much plot armour, even if it covers all the main characters, isn't good. Half the time characters are stupid for the sake of plot (I don't know how many times the Jedi forget they have the Force). And the list goes on. I'd highly recommend you watch the movies, at least the Original and Prequel trilogies. They aren't flawless, but they are good stories, and they're objectively better quality than TCW.
GUYS NOW WE ALL KNOW TOGRUTA ARE MADE OF BESKAR XD
That one where she's shot by a ship's blaster point blank is so stupid i completely forgot about that one 😂 and even how she puts weight on it seconds later absolute nonsense
@@joshuahandhand8959 Obi Wan got hit by Dooku's lightsaber twice and left with just some scratches instead of losing his arm and leg.
Wow, I occasionally notice some of these, but I never thought it would be this serious to this extent. One can't help but wander if her skin is made of Baskar.
Yup, it's pretty ridiculous 😂
This is just 10 minutes of her plot armor. It follows her every single time she makes an appearance anywhere.
To be fair this happens mostly in the early seasons
@@lillith3159 Yeah. But she should have outgrown it by then by the time of I don’t know, Season 5 to 7? Sure the signs are not as noticeable anymore. But they’re there.
@@lillith3159 I mean, the scenes from the early seasons make up maybe a quarter of the video, so not really, no. This is very clearly a consistent thing. If anything, it becomes more egregious over time, especially in the S7 finale.
Wow and she got stunned like 4 times at once in their new tales series and she somehow doesn't suffer brain injury or damage to her central nervous system, like that can't be easy on the heart man, I feel like this would cause a heart failure or cardiac/respiratory arrest.
Yeah, Ahsoka should have logically suffered some major/prolonged setbacks, but she just brushes it all off like it's nothing.
force users are insanely powerful all that needs to be said@@imyouralibi6208
I guess togruta Jedi made of beskar xD
@@imyouralibi6208also being shot 4 times
@@AnakinSkywalkerwasweak Lol, turns out it was actually five times (which I unfortunately only remembered just recently). She was literally shot in the hand at the end of S7E11. She shouldn't have been able to use both her lightsabers after that, which would've made her even *more* likely to die during Order 66. Seriously, her level of plot armor is absolutely unreal. I don't know how people can watch her getting shot multiple times and just shrugging it off and somehow think The Clone Wars is "peak Star Wars" when this show is literally as bad as the sequels 🙄
She is the queen of dodging head trauma lmao
To be honest I like Ahsoka, but even I laughed on this compilation and I am amazed by how much she survived, she should have been dead many times by now.
Disney: "Stomrtoopesr cen't aeim xddd"
Also Disney when they put clones against Ahsoka:
1:21 i love it XD
"Oh no my HIGH GROUND"
Just 10 minutes? You either got bored or overwhelmed when you looked for Ahsoka plot armor scenes.
Lol. Yeah. Going over 10min would have been a bit too much for a meme vid. 😅
15 or maybe even 20 minutes if you slow the video down enough to be able to read all the text.
There should be a mini compilation of just the explosions she's right next to and then brushes off. There were an absurd number of them
Apparently the scar on Anakin's eye is from Ventress, so yeah...Ahsoka shouldn't have been a match.
her being Abel to roll 4 times and move out the way is insane.
In Bane’s defense, he did surprise Ahsoka in the end.
1:14 Ahsoka didn’t beat Bane. He took the fall because he had a greater plan, and she fell for it.
Except if Bane exceeded Ahsoka in skill (as he logically should) then he wouldn't need to "fake" his defeat. He could just defeat her and take her hostage. Faking your defeat is something you do if you can't match the person you're going up against. Which means that Ahsoka was in fact the initial victor in that situation, which is absurd.
@@imyouralibi6208 I don’t agree, and honestly, after seeing your other comments, I see that what I thought was a fun video came from hate. Basically, your opinion is biased. Think what you want of the scene. I still think you are wrong.
@@Meushell I mean, if you want to interpret fair criticism as "hate" then that's your prerogative, I guess. But if anything, it indicates that you are the biased one here ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@Meushell THANK YOU!!! I already gave up on discussing with her. She hates Ahsoka for basically everything in all of her vídeos.
This deserves a lot more likes. Probably just the sensitive Ahsoka fans. This is the thickest plot armor I have ever seen.
If you want to witness the thickest plot armor, watch the "Fast and the Furious" franchise. Or, by that logic, observe Rey in the "Star Wars" sequels, where she becomes overpowering despite lacking proper training. Also, take a look at other shows like "Superman," where he occasionally faces attacks with Kryptonite, a substance meant to guarantee death. Another example is the nuclear town scene in "Indiana Jones," where numerous ridiculous events occur. In these instances, plot armor is as clear as day. So, if you believe this is the worst plot armor you've seen, I hate to tell you that you haven't witnessed the real deal yet.
@@FallenJedi66 Well thank you for your points. But all I said was that this was the thickest plot armor I have seen up to this point. I never said it was the thickest one ever. And your comment still doesn’t invalidate that Ahsoka’s plot armor is really high.
@@bravestraven4650 Fair enough, but if you want my take on Ahsoka, read the comment feed. I currently posted a comment and I'm having a discussion about this with the UA-camr who uploaded the video. Right now, it should be rather easy to find it.
@@bravestraven4650 he just tried whataboutism 😂😂
In contrast, "whataboutism" is a variant of the tu quoque fallacy (itself a specific kind of ad hominem). It occurs when someone attempts to discredit their opponent by calling them a hypocrite rather than addressing their opponent's argument itself. In whataboutism specifically, you don't call the opponent a hypocrite per se, but rather, you just point out the bad things your opponent has done. These may or may not have any relevance to the topic at hand, and you act as if that disproves the opponent. This is often done to deflect criticism and is considered fallacious because the truthfulness of what your opponent says is independent of what they do.
In this case, I was just providing an example of "compare and contrast," which refers to noting the similarities and differences between two or more things. The subject I was talking about was plot armor. There was no malicious intent or disrespect towards anyone. Therefore, your statement about me trying whataboutism is totally irrelevant and used incorrectly. When this person replied back, I said "fair enough" and went along with my day. However, the comment has been hidden or removed by the host of the comment section, so some might not see my reply. But I assure you, I did not show any disrespect or refer to someone as a hypocrite. It's just a simple case of compare and contrast. Also, my comment keeps disappearing, so if you see this posted more than once, that's why.
Lol wow I didn't realize about the magnaguard fights that's a good point.
The OG overpowered female character without flaws.
Yup
0:51 if her master went into a split, there would not be any Luke and Leia
6:26 ON THE BEAT
I swear, that wasn't even intentional 😂
@@imyouralibi6208 sure ahahah
It's almost as if you're implying she's a Mary Sue 🤔 You wouldn't dare do such thing, right? Filoni and his guard are watching 🤭
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@@Sonnyisgoat Shh! 🤫 Careful: they are watching 😂
@@metal_fusion she should've never left the idea pitching stage, she's a menace to Entertainment in general, I dislike her on every level.
Similar level to Rey lol
@@diddly-squat9332Agreed. 👍
how the hell did she get electrocuted so many times and not die at least once, they somehow always electrocute enough to knock her out but not kill her, like wtf!
tbh this is funny as an ahsoka stan but tbh she was trained/learning by/from anakin and a few others throughout the war, and in the wrong jedi arc, anakin did say to not shoot to kill so...
I feel like this isn't just Ahsoka but it's every Star Wars protagonist.😐
(Ahem-Luke blew up the Death Star despite having 0 military experience by succesfully using the force despite only training he ever got at the time being taking a shot from a little laser ball-Ahem)
(Ahem-Obi Wan being hit by Dooku's lightsaber twice and getting just scratches from it instead of losing his entire arm and leg-ahem)
(Ahem-9 years old Anakin blew up a Lucrehulk completelly by accident-ahem)
Oh yeah, in general, most protagonists have some degree of plot armor.
in jedi tales (idk which ep.) anakin makes her train for this 6:43
just whatched it all the way thru and ye she just needed training to survive that^. but other than that plot armor is really strong with her. i love love love Ahsoka btw cant wait S2 :D
Nah its actually worse that when she fought 7 troopers, none of them even tried to pull out their weapons to shoot her.
This was funny.
Glad you enjoyed 🙂
LoL, she is about as untouchable as Steven Seagal in his 2008 movie Kill Switch.
A video that shows the truth of the matter. That truth being that the smug-ass "space cowboy" was the harbinger for KK's agenda to ruin Star Wars. Also in response to the one about her getting shot by the equivalent to an artillery piece aka a Laser Cannon, she actually got hit in the back around where her heart is. That should have basically vaped a large section of her upper torso, she should NOT have survived that.
From the moment we first saw her in that horrible 2008 theatrical “the clone wars” film she already had put in the invincibility and the unlimited powers cheats codes😂😂😂 #AshokaIsAMarySue
I'm using this hashtag from now on
@@faith518 give “I’m your alibi” all the credit in the world for pointing that out. When the fans had to deal with Rey as the face of Star Wars for the last several years, we unknowingly move the goalposts of what a Mary Sue was. We were so shocked and outraged with Rey as this ultimate plot armor character (and especially a character that actively mocked and was better at all of the attributes of the classic three Star Wars characters from the original trilogy) that so many people began pointing out that Asoka was “the” way to write female characters which is embarrassing to think about in retrospect. Rey is the final and ultimate form of Asoka. And it was the owner of this channel who made me realize that.
@@thesentinel5523 I never liked Ahsoka from the start. When I was younger I started being very vocal about how much I didn't like Ahsoka and why and I met the wrath of mostly every star wars fan. So I basically had to cancel myself and keep my mouth shut, feigning a liking to a character I despised. When I found Alibi and ME's videos, I found validation in my way of seeing Ahsoka, as a badly written character.
One thing I don't understand is why fans get so triggered by their videos? Like... if you go on YT and search for videos explaining why Rey is a Mary Sue or why the Sequels suck, you'll find hundreds of them and people are fine with those. But when a content creator chooses to do Ahsoka Analysis videos, they get bashed in the comments for it.
Ahsoka fanatics just can't handle any form of criticism towards their little pet, like Filoni can't let go of his OC and I bet by the end of 2026 that Ahsoka is gonna become immortal.
Anyways, we have to make the #AhsokaIsAMarySue hashtag popular enough to be noticed.
@@faith518 Agreed
lol
i agree
6:04 You just saved my fanedit, lmao. I was so close to finishing the TCW re-edit, but it appears I have more work to do. Guess I have to find a way to make it look like comms AREN'T DOWN. For the scene to work. :)
Lol, glad I could help! 👌
I cracked at oh no i lost the high ground
I can add one: how does a padawan have the power necessary to hold a small ship for a few minutes? In the same series we have moments where Jedi Masters don't even try to block the enemy ship, by which I mean we don't have the power to do so, but if a Padawan can block a small ship for a few minutes, the Masters should be able to do that and more, so why didn't Obi Wan and Voss block Cad Bane's ship?
Exactly!!
Though that's not really an instance of her plot armor and moreso an example of just how insanely overpowered she is.
Always bugged me that people criticized Rey for holding a ship in place but not Ahsoka. "Oh, BuT aHsOkA hAd TrAiNiNg, UnLiKe ReY!" What training?? We certainly never saw any formal training in TCW itself. And she couldn't even be bothered to finish, having walked away from the Order when she was still in her teens. Yet she outperforms Jedi Masters on a constant basis.
That's what you call a Mary Sue, folks.
@@manudiferro5284 Because Star Wars always had some plot conveniences like that. For example, we see in Kenobi that Vader is able to hold a huge ship. Why didn't he do that in Rogue One?
Also, we see in Empire Strikes Back that Yoda can lift a fucking X-Wing without even trying. So Vader must also be able to do that, right? Why didn't he force pull luke on Bespin, then? He had order to capture him. But, after Luke threa himself into the pit, Vader just watches without doing anything. Why didn't he force pulls Luke? And, guven that we are speaking about Vader, in season 6 of Clone Wars, there is a scene where Anakin can't lift both Padme and Clovis because they're too heavy and that resulted in Clovis killing himself. Why didn't Anakin force pull both of them? That way, Clovis would not have died. And thsoe are just a few examples.
The point you presented really is plot convenience but definitelly not plot armor because things like that have been happenning since forever. And, when I mean forever, I'm talking since 1980, so there's even no way of blaming it on Ahsoka' plot armor or Disney.
The thing with bane it has an explanation he wanted ashoka for a trap so he had to deceive her by letting her beat him
But why would he "deceive her by letting her beat him" in order to capture her? As we point out in the video, he easily held his own against two Jedi Masters. He should be able to wipe the floor with Ahsoka and capture her that way. No deception necessary.
~M.E.
@@imyouralibi6208 his goal was unlock the Holocron not kill Ashoka
@@santiagovc17 Yeah. He could beat her without killing her.
~M.E.
@@imyouralibi6208 well that's true
All main characters in CW have major plot armor. Also some of these have legitimate explanations that you apparently are unaware off.
I can't even think of a quarter as many examples of plot armor as egregious as this for either Anakin or Obi-Wan, though if you can, feel free to list them here. And if you can produce any legitimate explanations for these scenes that I haven't already seen and debunked, then again, feel free.
@@imyouralibi6208 The most obvious example is the order 66 scene. In Tales of the Jedi we literally learn that she was trained for such a situation (with multiple clones shooting at her from all around her).
Also it's Star Wars, we don't know how electrocution affects Togrutas, we don't know how advanced the healthcare is, etc. It's very unreasonable to complain about her not getting brain damage from falling a couple times.
@@skydetheking She was very conveniently trained for an event that none of the Jedi could have foreseen. That's indicative of plot armor in and of itself. Not to mention, the training only prepared her to face off a handful of clones, not an entire cruiser-full. No amount of training will ever explain that away.
Electrocution/being knocked out seems to affect her the exact same way it affects other characters in the series. There is absolutely no notable difference in how she reacts to it as opposed to how others react to it. There is no additional force/effort required to knock her unconscious than compared to anyone else. And my argument is not that she should have brain damage from "falling a couple times." I would recommend watching Geetsly's "17 times Ahsoka Tano gets knocked out" video since he explains that being electrocuted so many times can cause serious brain damage. And the training sequence in Filoni's Tales of the Jedi series is even worse, because she is being stunned/knocked out repeatedly for hours with absolutely no chance to rest or recover. Even being knocked out once for *15 minutes* can cause brain damage (if you don't believe me, look it up). So she would absolutely have brain damage or else be dead (probably the latter).
To be fair, Ahsoka is far from the only SW character with OP abiliities/plot armor. Anakin is an absolute powerhouse. I just looked up some moments and was able to put together a compilation - it's up on my channel and is called "Anakin/Vader being A Powerhouse For 5 And A Half Minutes"
Gave it a watch. I do want to point out that you brought up a lot of instances of Anakin going up against far less experienced, less powerful opponents (Clovis, Barriss, Ahsoka, Luke, Reva), so his victories there are not indicators of being OP or having plot armor. As for when he goes up against more accomplished fighters like Ventress, Cere, and Dooku, you have to remember that there's an important reason for why he can stand on near equal footing with such opponents. He's the Chosen One. His midichlorian count is through the roof. He has been confirmed to have the potential to surpass Yoda himself. Ahsoka has no such reasons, so she's not really comparable to Anakin.
Though I will agree that Vader surviving the exploding bookcase was a bit absurd. But, hey, it's video game logic. And Star Wars video games have a bit of a track record of blowing force-users' abilities out of proportion ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@imyouralibi6208 The fact that he can knock Dooku over in 10 moves when Dooku is one of the greatest duelists in the galaxy shows how absurd his physical strength is imo
@@Solomon_C It's unclear, but he *could* be using force augmentation. Can't say for sure tho...
@@imyouralibi6208 Yeah idk either. I did kinda assume that he wasn't - but I could be wrong. Maybe he's using it all the time hence why he walks everyone down so fast.
@@imyouralibi6208 The thing is, he breaks his opponents so quickly 99% of the time and then Obi-Wan held out for several minutes on Mustafar. I do wonder if his physical strength got nerfed in that fight 'cause if he can knock Dooku over in 10 moves then there is no way that Obi should be able to withstand minutes of enraged Anakin strikes imo
I want to start by saying that, as a huge Ahsoka fan, I did find some of this funny. However the intent behind it was not. So I'm gonna make a quick case for her defense. First of all, EVERY main character has some level of plot armor. It's unavoidable. Second, it has been established that Ahsoka was a prodigy. She had a lot of force power and potential as a youngling in the temple, and that was obviously a major factor in her getting chosen to be Anakin's padawan. Just like him when he was her age, lots of power and potential, needs training and self control. Third, Ahsoka was a very skilled duelist, so I don't know why it's hard to believe that she could beat Ventress and Grevious, especially later in the series. Also, because she has the life-force of the daughter inside her, she possesses great power and potential and is like an embodiment of the light itself, especially later in her life, like in Rebels. When she was being pursued by clones, Anakin obviously told them not to harm her, which is why they were hesitant to shoot. Also, Ahsoka is extremely fast and agile, it makes sense she would be able to dodge lots of clone blaster shots. As for her being in confined spaces with numerous battle droids, her power and skill can easily get her out of the situation alive. If you remember correctly, characters such as Maul, Savage Oppress, Anakin, and Mace Windu have been in situations with MANY more droids attacking them than Ahsoka. And Ahsoka had been training throughout the war with Rex and the 501st shooting stuns at her, so that combined with her superior skills with a lightsaber and force power is more than enough to survive order 66. Also, Ahsoka had quite a few rare force abilities that she could've been utilizing this entire time, it was just never expounded upon. There's a lot more in your video that I could rant about, but I forgot.
Yes, every character has plot armor but nowhere near to the extent Ahsoka does, unless they are also a Mary Sue/Gary Stu.
"She had a lot of force power and potential as a youngling in the temple"
This was not established like you claim it was.
"Ahsoka was a very skilled duelist, so I don't know why it's hard to believe that she could beat Ventress and Grevious"
Because Ventress and Grievous are both highly skilled Jedi killers who have gone toe-to-toe with some of the most gifted Jedi in the Order and either come out victorious or at the very least gave their opponents a run for their money.
Ventress has gone toe-to-toe with Anakin himself and permanently scarred him.
Grievous gave Jedi like Mace Windu and Obi-Wan Kenobi a run for their money. Not to mention the numerous Jedi masters he killed beforehand.
Killing a padawan should be a walk in the park for both Ventress and Grievous.
Ahsoka might be skilled for her age, but there is absolutely nothing to make up for the many more years of experience that Jedi *Masters* have in comparison to her. And if you're saying there somehow is, then you're simply admitting that she's a Mary Sue.
"she has the life-force of the daughter inside her, she possesses great power and potential and is like an embodiment of the light itself"
Yes, she was given life by the Daughter, but that doesn't mean she was given the Daughter's powers too, or that she's the "embodiment of the light." That's pure headcanon. There is absolutely nothing in the series to support that.
"it makes sense she would be able to dodge lots of clone blaster shots"
Are you referring to her Tales of the Jedi training? Or the Order 66 sequence in TCW? Because neither makes sense. We're shown how Jedi Masters like Ki-Adi-Mundi, Depa Billaba, and countless others were gunned down in seconds flat. Because no amount of training can counteract overwhelming numbers. Not to mention, the amount of brain damage Ahsoka would've gotten from being knocked out so many times in her training sequence would've killed her within that first day alone.
The fact that she survived either of those two events is indicative of Mary-Sue-levels of plot armor.
"her power and skill can easily get her out of the situation alive"
You're ignoring how I pointed out that *Grand Master Yoda* himself struggled with a similar amount of battle droids in an open space. Are you saying Ahsoka is more powerful and skilled than Yoda? Because if so, then you are again admitting that she's a Mary Sue.
"Maul, Savage Oppress, Anakin, and Mace Windu"
You just referenced multiple characters who are vastly more skilled than Ahsoka and thus would logically be able to handle larger threats. You're really not helping your case here.
"Ahsoka had quite a few rare force abilities that she could've been utilizing this entire time"
What "rare force abilities" are you referring to? Because she wasn't established to have any in The Clone Wars. Also, this is pure speculation. I'm going to need actual evidence, not just more headcanon.
"it was just never expounded upon"
That's called bad writing. Which you don't seem to be very good at identifying...
I was expecting those moves in the Ashoka series even her fight with vader on rebels beats any episode of the series in my opinion, but two things that did stand out to me in the series was Bayland Skoll had the exact same mind set that Count Dooku had except the betrayal by the Jedi was much worse and before engaging in a fight he tells Ashoka he used to talk to anakin a lot, that tells me if Anakin wasnt in arguing with kenobi in war or not seeing the Chancellor or making out with Padme, he was talking to Bayland.
Interesting theory 🤔
Holy shoot is Ahsoka such a ridiculous character
Ahsoka is the original Rey Skywalker!
She really is. There's an article where Dave Filoni says, “I like to think that Ahsoka paved the way for a character like Rey” so even he sees the similarities (though, of course, he considers those similarities to be all good things).
Yeah that’d be right.
Typical Filoni.
I never watched anything with Ashoka in it and have mostly been watching watch-alongs and the like. However, after watching Reaper's review of Tales of the Jedi, it really stuck out to me that Ashoka is just proto-Rey. This video and the talk with Theo just confirmed it for me.
Yep. It bugs the heck out of me that people will bash Rey into oblivion (rightfully so) but then turn around and act like Ahsoka is the second coming when they are both *clearly* Mary Sues. Hell, Filoni even said in an interview that he feels like Ahsoka helped pave the way for characters like Rey in Star Wars, and I can't help but agree. Considering the extensive damage Ahsoka's character has caused to the franchise, I'd almost say she's *worse* than Rey.
@@imyouralibi6208 Firstly, it is important to acknowledge that both Ahsoka and Rey are both female characters who have made it into the Star Wars saga. However, Ahsoka's character development and journey differ greatly from Rey's, and it is unfair to label Ahsoka as a Mary Sue while overlooking Rey's own narrative arc.
Ahsoka's journey as a Jedi began under the tutelage of Anakin Skywalker, the Chosen One himself. Unlike Rey, who suddenly discovered her Force abilities in the sequel trilogy, Ahsoka underwent years of rigorous training and faced numerous challenges to hone her skills. She earned her place alongside Anakin through hard work and determination, not through a sudden influx of power.
Ahsoka's character growth is evident throughout the animated series "Star Wars: The Clone Wars" and "Star Wars Rebels." She learns from her mistakes, faces personal dilemmas, and struggles with the moral complexities of war. This depth and complexity make Ahsoka a relatable and well-rounded character, far from the one-dimensional portrayal that some associate with a Mary Sue.
Moreover, Ahsoka's abilities in the Force are not simply handed to her. While she is indeed depicted as Force adept, this is attributed to her dedication to training and her strong connection with the Force. Her skills are earned through experience and hard work, rather than being conveniently acquired when the plot demands it.
In contrast, Rey's rapid progression in mastering various Force techniques and her ability to effortlessly defeat skilled opponents have led to criticisms of her character being a Mary Sue. Rey's abilities seem to manifest without much explanation or training, which can be seen as inconsistent and unrealistic.
Additionally, Ahsoka's character is not immune to vulnerability or consequences. Throughout her journey, she experiences loss, betrayal, and emotional turmoil. Her choices and actions have lasting impacts on both herself and those around her. This adds depth and complexity to Ahsoka's character, making her more relatable and human.
@@FallenJedi66 Umm, yeah, I'm just gonna point you to our character growth series talking about Ahsoka and our case study on why she's a Mary Sue. Feel free to look them up.
@@imyouralibi6208 A Mary Sue is a term commonly used in literature and film to describe a character who is considered too perfect or unrealistic. It refers to a character who possesses an excessive amount of desirable traits, such as beauty, intelligence, and skills, without any significant flaws or challenges. This term originated from a parody fan fiction character named Mary Sue, who was created as a self-insertion of the author.
Now, let's discuss why Ahsoka Tano, a character from the "Star Wars" franchise, is not a Mary Sue. Ahsoka Tano was introduced in the animated series "Star Wars: The Clone Wars" as the Padawan learner of Anakin Skywalker. She later became a key character in the "Star Wars" universe and played a significant role in the rebellion against the Galactic Empire in "Star Wars Rebels."
1. Growth and Development: Ahsoka Tano undergoes a significant character arc throughout her journey. Initially, she is portrayed as an impulsive and headstrong young Jedi, but over time, she learns valuable lessons, faces challenges, and grows into a more mature and wise character. Her growth and development showcase her flaws and the need for her to overcome obstacles to become a stronger individual.
2. Imperfections and Mistakes: Ahsoka Tano is far from being perfect. She makes mistakes, faces difficult decisions, and experiences failures throughout her story. These imperfections make her relatable and humanize her character. She learns from her mistakes and takes responsibility for her actions, which adds depth and complexity to her personality.
3. Vulnerability and Emotional Depth: Ahsoka Tano goes through moments of vulnerability and emotional turmoil. She experiences loss, betrayal, and heartbreak, which have a profound impact on her character. These emotional challenges allow viewers to connect with her on a deeper level and empathize with her struggles.
4. Skills and Abilities: While Ahsoka Tano possesses impressive skills and abilities as a Jedi, it is important to note that she undergoes rigorous training and practice to develop them. She doesn't simply excel in everything effortlessly, but rather works hard to refine her combat skills and Force abilities. Her growth as a Jedi is portrayed realistically, and she faces numerous challenges that test her abilities.
5. Supportive Relationships: Ahsoka Tano relies on the support and guidance of others throughout her journey. She forms strong bonds with characters like Anakin Skywalker, Obi-Wan Kenobi, and Captain Rex, who play pivotal roles in her development. These relationships highlight the importance of teamwork and collaboration, rather than portraying her as a sole hero who can accomplish everything on her own.
@@imyouralibi6208 Sure, I'll check it out to see some more insight into why you came up with the current conclusion you have now.
Sexist!
Lol, seriously though, Ahsoka is the epitome of a character having plot armor.
Every one got skill issues but Ahsoka. But Ahsoka dose have to much plot armor.
Yep. Her plot armor is thicker than the crust of the Earth at this point.
3:00 is one of the worst. Her arm should have been gone.
😂😂😂😂 this was amazing cause I usually use all of these feats to defend her but now 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I’ll never complain about Goku’s plot armor.
It is very difficult to shoot a moving target especially when the shooter is running along behind her. She also can sense when shots are fired at her very much due to Anakin training her defense in close range shooting. She is also very good with djem so and is good at dueling.
And I’m not sure about this but being a togruta may give her an advantage with injuries. She might have faster healing or high adrenaline
Well, I haven't been able to find anything from Legends or Canon saying that Togrutas have advanced healing or anything 🤷♀
I agree with most clips, but tales of the Jedi explains why Ahsoka was able to survive order 66.
Not really. It explains how she might be able to hold her own against a handful of clones, which is already hella overpowered considering much more accomplished Jedi Masters weren't able to withstand that much, but it doesn't explain how she was able to survive a literal cruiser-full of clones. That just reeks of plot armor. Not to mention, it is WAY too convenient that Ahsoka just so happened to receive training to prepare her for an event that no one in the Order could've possibly seen coming. Also, the training itself should've caused her enough brain injury to kill her right then and there. It explains nothing, just creates more problems.
@@imyouralibi6208 Fair
@@imyouralibi6208to be fair, most Masters were caught off-guard by the behavior of the clones, also add them losing concentration because they feel the suffering of fellow Jedi nearly all at once. If they were concentrated and prepared they would have deflected the bolts easily ( not from all directions tho)
@@idiocrat3744and asoka wasn't overwhelmed because ? Literally all of these things applied to her as well. She got lucky again because for some reason the clones didn't start blasting the moment order 66 was issued
@@lokay7233 Just like Ki-Adi-Mundi, there was literally a stare-off before the clones blasted him into oblivion. I'm also surprised the clone did not start blasting him as soon as Order 66 was issued, just like you mentioned with Ahsoka about how you were confused they didn't shoot first and ask questions later.
I see many Ashoka haters here! Not a place for me. But I agree on some of clips
This music is catchy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where is it from?
It's the instrumental version of Mr. Blue Sky by Electric Light Orchestra 👍
You do realize there are quite many characters in Star Wars that have plot armour
Both Luke and Anakin lost their hands. Anakin lost most of his body. Luke got bodied by the Emperor. Han got frozen in carbonate and suffered temporary blindness. Leia saw Alderaan fucking explode, Han got tortured in Empire to lure in Luke who felt his pain.
Yeah, most main characters have plot armour to some extent - hence why heroes typically survive their stories at all. But most main characters will still suffer varying extents of personal harm. (Lucky Kennedy already provided some examples.)
Ahsoka's plot armour is extremely thick, to an unbelievable extent, and so she just breezes through everything without a scratch. That's what differs her plot armour from other SW characters.
@@bryanhung2546 Fuck me I’m not reading all of that. I’m already reading a book as is.
@@bryanhung2546 How would you even know who Delmo is? Or that he apologised and for what? Unless this is another alt... but no, it can't be, right? Delmo was banned for spamming comments with the same crap over and over again and creating alts to circumnavigate bans is expressly against UA-cam rules. But of course Rie wouldn't do that, right? I mean, harassment is something he learned not to do when he commented on one of my videos a few months back. But still your statement gives me pause. Are you, or are you not Delmo, dear commentator? Questions, questions.
@@bryanhung2546 "If she's a bad character, why does she have her own show" The show confirmed to be directed by Filoni, who favors Ahsoka to the highest depth? Are you seriously asking that question? "She's OP in Galaxy of Heroes, cuz she isn't a Mary Sue" 😂 Oh sweet child, a Mary Sue IS OP! 🤣
Ahsoka was a mistake
Agreed, lol
Yeah, literally, Anakin got burned like a steak kabob, and Luke Skywalker was stuck upside down when the Wampa could have easily slashed Luke by the throat with the Wampa's sharp claws. Maul survived. Also, are we literally forgetting that the Empire let a criminal syndicate have Han Solo instead of killing him on the spot? I'm literally laughing out loud right now. Are we also going to forget Boba Fett, who should have died but plot armor saved all these characters? I have many more scenes I could add, but hey, Star Wars has been doing this since before Disney acquired the franchise. To only call out Ahsoka only seems to me from a place of hate, trolling, or simply hating the character because she was a new addition to Anakin's story that many fans can't get past the fact that George Lucas demanded that Ahsoka be Anakin's Padawan. Feel free to discuss it with me down below if you think my views on these matters might differ from other people's perspectives.
Neither Anakin nor Luke have even a quarter as many examples of plot armor as Ahsoka or anywhere near on the same level of egregiousness. The very fact that you mentioned the instance of Anakin being severely burned pretty strongly refutes your whole point.
I'm more than happy to call out obvious moments of plot armor for *any* character, so there's no need for you to jump to conclusions. Yes, Maul surviving was dumb. Boba surviving is debatable.
The reason I'm choosing to focus on Ahsoka is because so many fans blindly worship at her altar, so I'm highlighting some of the issues with her character in an attempt to clarify that, no, Ahsoka is not as amazing a character as everyone makes her out to be.
@@imyouralibi6208Firstly, let's address the comment about Anakin's severe burns refuting the point of plot armor. While it is true that Anakin suffered severe burns in the battle with Obi-Wan Kenobi, his survival can still be seen as plot armor. Despite the overwhelming odds and the severity of his injuries, Anakin miraculously survives and is transformed into Darth Vader. This can be seen as a plot device to continue his story arc and play a pivotal role in the Star Wars saga.
Similarly, Luke Skywalker also exhibits plot armor throughout his journey. For instance, in "Return of the Jedi," Luke faces off against the Emperor and Darth Vader, two powerful Sith Lords. Despite being overpowered and on the brink of defeat, Luke is ultimately saved by the redemption of his father, Darth Vader. This moment can be seen as a form of plot armor, as it allows Luke to survive and ultimately defeat the Emperor.
Now, shifting the focus back to Ahsoka Tano, it is true that she has had instances where her survival seemed unlikely. However, it is important to consider the context and narrative purpose behind these moments. Ahsoka's survival in certain situations can be attributed to her resourcefulness, skill, and the bonds she has forged with other characters. These moments serve to highlight her growth as a character and showcase her resilience.
Furthermore, it is worth noting that Ahsoka's popularity among fans does not solely stem from her survival in precarious situations. Her character development, moral complexity, and the impact she has on the Star Wars universe are all factors that contribute to her fanbase. Ahsoka is a symbol of hope and resilience, exemplifying the Jedi values while navigating her own path.
@@FallenJedi66 Bro...I don't think you know what plot armor/plot devices are.
Suffering severe, life-long injures that greatly hamper the character in question is *not* plot armor. If you want me to break it down further:
1) Skin isn't something that burns easily, so it made sense for the fire to burn out on Anakin relatively quickly, preventing him from burning to the point of death.
2) Sidious arrived fairly quickly and gave him critically required medical attention.
Plot armor is something that cannot reasonably be explained away. The points I listed above make it more than reasonable that Anakin survived.
For Luke, the audience was already made aware that there was still some good in Vader, so it's not as if Vader's redemption is completely unexplainable. Granted, his inner goodness could've been made a bit more clear, but overall, I think the execution was fine.
Ahsoka's so-called "resourcefulness, skill, and bonds" do not explain away her surviving impossible odds, like facing a famed Jedi-killer such as General Grievous while being a mere padawan, not just once but *twice* and going toe to toe with him both times despite the fact that he should easily overpower her. Same goes for her encounters with Ventress. In Cloak of Darkness, the writers have Ventress blatantly ignore multiple opportunities to kill Ahsoka, despite the fact that a skilled assassin would *never* do such a thing. Same goes for Maul. He killed Qui-Gon and forced Obi-Wan to tap into the dark side to defeat him, but apparently a *teenager* can defeat him *while* completely disarmed? Yeah, not buying it. And again, the writers have Maul ignore a clear opportunity to cut the beam out from under Ahsoka and send her plummeting to her death. And do I really have to get into the sheer absurdity of how she survived an entire cruiser-full of clones trying to kill her with the help of only *one* other person despite more experienced masters being gunned down in seconds flat by a mere handful of clones? And don't bother bringing up her training in TotJ because it only makes her plot armor *more* egregious for the following reasons:
1) It was awfully convenient for Filoni to retcon into existence some special training for Ahsoka in order to aid her in an event that *no one* could see coming.
2) Being knocked out that many times should've given her severe brain damage if not outright killed her.
3) In those training sequences, she only faced a handful of clones, *not an entire cruiser-full.*
Honestly, I'm starting to wonder if you even watched the video...
"Ahsoka's popularity among fans does not solely stem from her survival in precarious situations" Dude, that's a strawman. I never said that. You really need to stop leaping to conclusions.
@@imyouralibi6208 Bro, I understand what you're saying about plot armor, and I do know what it means. However, I think you may be overlooking some key aspects of Ahsoka Tano's character development and the narrative choices made by the writers.
Firstly, let's address the concept of fate in relation to the Mortis arc. The Father of Mortis did tell Anakin that his future and past were predestined. However, this does not necessarily mean that every event in Ahsoka's life was predetermined. While it is true that her path crossed with the Mortis beings, it doesn't automatically equate to plot armor, but it could also very well be plot armor. The events on Mortis served as a test for Anakin, and Ahsoka's involvement was part of that narrative arc, meaning Ahsoka's fate could have been a part of the chosen one prophecy, leading to that speculation.
Furthermore, the Daughter of Mortis sacrificing herself and transferring her life force to Ahsoka can be seen as a plot device to further the story and add depth to Ahsoka's character. It is not simply a case of plot armor, but rather a deliberate narrative choice to explore the themes of sacrifice and the balance between light and dark.
In regard to Ahsoka's survival in various encounters, it is important to consider her resourcefulness, skill, and the bonds she has formed. Ahsoka is portrayed as a capable and strategic fighter, constantly learning and growing throughout the Clone Wars. Her survival can be attributed to her abilities and the relationships she has fostered, which provide her with support and assistance in difficult situations.
While it may seem unlikely for Ahsoka to face formidable opponents like General Grievous, Ventress, or Maul and come out on top, it is not without explanation. Ahsoka's determination, adaptability, and ability to think on her feet contribute to her success in these encounters. Additionally, her opponents may underestimate her or make tactical mistakes, allowing her to seize opportunities and turn the tide in her favor.
Regarding the Clone Wars episode "Cloak of Darkness," it is important to remember that Ventress had her own motives and may have had reasons for not killing Ahsoka outright. The complexities of character motivations and the dynamics of the ongoing conflict can influence the decisions made by characters.
As for Ahsoka surviving encounters with clones and overcoming overwhelming odds, it is important to note that the narrative allows for individual character arcs and development. Ahsoka's experiences and training have shaped her into a formidable force, enabling her to face challenges that others might struggle with. While the portrayal of her survival may seem unlikely, it is not inherently illogical within the framework of the story.
@@FallenJedi66 More strawmans, speculation, and vaguely referencing Ahsoka's "growth" while ignoring information I've provided. Yeah, I'm not gonna bother.
That I definitely agree with. She has too much plot armour and should have died in Rebels.
I think a more impactful death for her would've been at the hands of Anakin during Order 66. It would've further cemented just how far he'd fallen, turning against Obi-Wan, Ahsoka, and even Padme.
@@imyouralibi6208 I prefer a much more unique death, when he is Vader and all Jedi are gone and he basically puts the final point in his way to darkness (which, as we know, went very different from what he originally planned). Plus she dies saving Kanan and Ezra and before that has a meaningful moment with Rex.
@@Сайтамен Fair enough.
If Ahsoka knew she had plot armour
Honestly, I think she does 😂
It would certainly explain why she acts so casual or flippant in dangerous situations, lol
They gonna explain this by just saying oh yeah togruta have resistance to uh shit
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I've seen that argument a few times already 😂
Cope 🚬
Bro, right after she knocks Bane he KOs her so not really plot armour
He had to take her by surprise in order to get the upper hand; he clearly *couldn't* go toe-to-toe with her given how easily she bested him in their confrontation. But when facing two highly skilled Jedi Masters, Bane didn't need to rely on surprise at all. In fact, he casually threw away his chance at a surprise attack, and had little problem going toe-to-toe with the both of them. So, yes, that very much *does* indicate some heavy plot armor for Ahsoka.
Some of the plot armor is justifiable, while some others is just straight up plot armor
Which instances of plot armor would you consider justifiable? 🤔
You've honestly pointed out a lot of good ones in this video. The one's mentioned that I can personally justify is her being being able to somehow tank explosions from a short distance due to force wielders being fairly durable, at least in lore (although sometimes starwars generally can contridict that) her being surrounded during order 66 I believe is justified mainly due to tales of the jedi during a lesson given by anakin (im sure you know which episode I'm talking about) very convenient especially for a situation like that but with that in mind; force wielders (even tho it doesn't seem like it on screen that much) move very fast and have a very fast reaction time when they aren't caught off guard, combat wise of course, reaching speeds of sound or less at minimal. Coupled with the fact that force wielders can predict (to a degree) what their opponents next move will possibly be if focused enough. So it only comes down to the fact that she not only received training from anakin that specifically aids her in a situation of being surrounded by the enemy, but also she can be a fast thinker in desperate situations (sometimes) and also looking at it from a lore standpoint as well when it comes to how much of an advantage a force wielder has in a dangerous situation. Also her and rex surviving the ship crash while everyone else dies pretty much I wouldn't entirely consider plot armor in the sense of "she just so happened to be ok because she's a main character" (if that's not what you were entirely implying I apologize😅) but more of, she's agile, trained and also force sensitive (meaning similar to how she can sense danger from people that pose a threat, she can also do that with her environment and or objects around her, even tho that can be pretty inconsistent as well with more than just ahsoka so you can take that however you want😅. It's more or less a dollar store version of spidermans spidey sense and that in itself can be plot armor for spiderman😂) so she'd generally have a bit less of a difficult time actually escaping and successfully so than most of anybody else on board.
So i really only tackled 2 things that was mentioned in the video, everything else i agree with👍. Also I apologize for typing so much btw, I couldn't really state much without adding in more detail here and there😅
@@trivon8615 Ehh, I don't think it's fair to say a force-user is somehow more durable *just* because they're a force-user. When Anakin was caught in an explosion in Season 1 Episode 13: Jedi Crash, he was completely unconscious for nearly a full episode and had to receive treatment. But when it comes to Ahsoka, being *directly* next to an explosion doesn't so much as leave a mark on her. It doesn't add up.
*Strongly* disagree with your point regarding the Order 66 scene. Tales of the Jedi excuses nothing and only makes Ahsoka's plot armor *more* egregious. It is WAY too convenient that she would just so happen to receive training for an event that no one could've foreseen. And she only trained with a handful of clones, not a whole cruiser-full with *thousands* of troopers. Being bombarded on THAT scale would have you dead in seconds. But NOPE! She's fine, even though Jedi Masters such as Ki-Adi-Mundi and Ima-Gun Di were gunned down in seconds flat on a *much* smaller scale despite not being caught off guard.
Like I said, it doesn't add up, and it puts Ahsoka on Mary-Sue-levels of absurdity.
@@trivon8615 No problem! We always welcome lengthy, well thought out messages 🙂
She loses literally every fight in the first season of the Clone Wars and does some epic fails for which she is punished. Her performances do improve over time. For some of the stuff we have explanation from Tales of the Jedi and the TV show and Rebels. She is also a Togruta so her species allows for some play with stuff.
Season 1 literally has one of her biggest victories. She outsmarts and defeats a Separatist fleet at the end of Storm Over Ryloth. And she easily dispatches droids in the Mystery of a Thousand Moons episode despite being infected with a deadly virus.
I can count the number of times she was "punished" on one hand. And I say "punished" in quotation marks because they were hardly punishments at all.
Her willful disobedience in Storm Over Ryloth should've gotten her court martialed. Instead, she gets a light scolding from Anakin.
In Holocron Heist, when she makes the exact same mistake as she did in Storm Over Ryloth (willfully disobeying orders and putting her men in harm's way, showing that she doesn't learn at all from her errors), Anakin excuses her behavior and she's put in the perfect position to play hero in the climax of the episode.
So throughout a 133-episode series with over 50 hours of runtime, Ahsoka was "punished" twice, even though she continues to prove herself to be willfully disobedient and careless of others' lives throughout the rest of the series, breaking orders in the Citadel arc and endangering the mission (though, of course, the writing props her up), breaking orders and revealing the Republic backing behind the rebels on Onderon and thus causing most of them to be wiped out (though the narrative conveniently ignores this). And there are more examples too. Though the worst thing is probably Ahsoka's reasoning behind these actions. In the Citadel arc, she broke orders and endangered lives for the sake of bragging rights: "You're breaking into the Citadel. No one's ever done it!" In the Onderon arc in S5, Ahsoka has no problem with letting the king become a martyr, but when General Tandin willingly sacrifices himself, she suddenly has a problem with that and stupidly decides to intervene.
Tales of the Jedi explains nothing. It just further breaks the established power scale. Jedi *cannot* defend against countless blaster bolts. Ima-Gun Di and Ki-Adi-Mundi both died quickly when surrounded and outgunned, and they were *Masters* while Ahsoka was merely a padawan. It is not physically possible to defend oneself in a scenario where you are surrounded and outgunned. And Tales of the Jedi had Ahsoka defending against a handful of clones, not a literal cruiser-full.
@@imyouralibi6208 I think you are assuming part of the story and disregarding other parts.
Ashoka was a veteran of the clone wars and faced blaster fire many times and not only that but fought with the 501st and Anakin who always had the hardest battles and were considered hero`s of the Republic so it makes sense that she had more battle experience than a lot of the Jedi. We see something similar in "Attack of the Clones" where many jedi died but Anakin managed to survive while reflecting blaster fire from all sides and he thought her how to do that. We also see her literally preparing for this and not being caught off guard like a lot of the other jedi.
That fight with Bane where she kicked his ass is another good example. It`s shown and implied through the entire series that she is far above average in hand to hand combat. She catches Bane off guard who underestimates her and then she gets electrified and loses. She did lose that fight.
When she was training with Anakin and the 501st they literally say that she passes out for extended periods of time so it does have an effect.
I also kind of feel like you`re getting too technical about it for no reason. If we are being real Star Wars has some of the worst "lightsaber duels" out there. They do a lot of spinning and backflips and stuff that looks cool but if I give you an actual sword you would not fight like that and yeah I know I know some will say "Well they have the force bla-bla-bla" but realistically learning to change the length of your saber mid fight or turning off and on again your saber is way more effective than having people stare at each other from 10 cm away.
@@cowboybeboop9420 "I think you are assuming part of the story" Speak for yourself. Your entire point on Ahsoka being able to survive Order 66 is based on headcanon.
Where in TCW does it confirm that Ahsoka has more battle experience than most Jedi? Where in TotJ does Anakin reference how he survived the Battle of Geonosis? Oh yeah, nowhere.
Also, comparing Ahsoka to the Chosen One and trying to insinuate that she could somehow achieve his level of skill at her age just doesn't work at all.
"We also see her literally preparing for this" Yes, suspiciously convenient, isn't it? Add that to the list of evidence for her obscene plot armor.
"She did lose that fight." Only because her arrogance allowed her to be caught off guard. Otherwise, she explicitly won the fight. If you have to trick your opponent in order to beat them, then it's clear they are above your skill level, which is an absurd thing to say for a seasoned, Jedi-killing bounty hunter about a 14-year-old padawan with zero onscreen training.
"she passes out for extended periods of time so it does have an effect"
"learning to change the length of your saber mid fight or turning off and on again your saber is way more effective than having people stare at each other from 10 cm away"
What do these things have to do with anything we've been talking about? 🤨
@@imyouralibi6208 Let me get this straight.......Ashoka has plot armor because
- she survived getting shot after training to survive getting shot because droids were always shooting at her which is "convenient"
- she lost a fight but we never see her train on screen to prepare for the fight
So basically according to you when we see her train that`s plot armor and when we don`t see her train that`s plot armor again. It makes no sense.
If you watch episode two of the Prequels you`ll see Anakin as a padawan surviving blaster shots from multiple angles. We also see him training Ashoka how to do that. We also know he was one of the best duelists in the order and we know he trained her to lightsaber duel at least as much as he did by his own words. We see evidence of this both in Rebels and in the Ashoka show.
She also doesn`t win most of her fights. She originally losses all her fights and slowly starts improving over time. If you watch the episodes in chronological order you`ll see the change.
Also being born "the chosen one" doesn`t automatically make you good at anything. You still have to work for it. For example Anakin was very good at dueling but had shit force abilities. Obi-Wan had lower force sensitivity than almost everyone in the order and yet Anakin couldn`t overpower his force powers in RoS.
Anyway, I think you`re just shitting on a cool character for no evident reason. Ashoka was supposed to be an annoying character on purpose in the beginning of the show and then they had her mature over time. I`m guessing you just never got over the initial introduction. I don`t think we`ll come to an agreement about it though. Nice chatting to you though! Goodbye!
@@cowboybeboop9420 "- she survived getting shot after training to survive getting shot because droids were always shooting at her which is "convenient"
- she lost a fight but we never see her train on screen to prepare for the fight"
LMAO!! These are blatant strawman arguments. I never made either of those points; you're just putting words in my mouth.
My *actual* points were:
1. Ahsoka receiving specialized training for an event that no one could've foreseen is incredibly convenient and another indicator of her ridiculous plot armor.
2. We never see Ahsoka *ever* train onscreen for *anything* throughout TCW, so her above-average abilities are never believably explained.
And again, I am not counting supplementary material, so you're going to have to do better than just pointing to shows like Rebels, Tales of the Jedi, or AHSOKA which were all made years later.
If I have to go to supplementary material in order to understand a story, that's a very clear indicator of poor writing.
"She also doesn`t win most of her fights." I don't know why you're still harping on this point since I never made the argument that she does.
While, yes, she doesn't explicitly win most of her fights, she never actual suffers real losses. She can hold her own pretty well in most fights and walk away completely unscathed. When was the last time you remember Ahsoka suffering a serious injury, one that affected her across several episodes rather than just one? When did she ever lose someone deeply important to her and have to grapple with her grief across multiple episodes? When did she ever have to tap into the dark side in order to come out on top in a confrontation? I'll tell you when: NEVER. Because Ahsoka can't really lose.
"Also being born "the chosen one" doesn`t automatically make you good at anything." Another strawman. I never said that. But it definitely does lend to Anakin having a natural talent which gives him the potential to reach a level which most other force-users could only dream about.
"Ashoka was supposed to be an annoying character on purpose" That's actually a misconception. Interviews from Dave Filoni/Ashley Eckstein show that their intention was for Ahsoka's character to be likeable from the beginning.
Also, Ahsoka most definitely does not mature/grow either. We have a Character Growth series on her stagnation over the course of TCW which I'd recommend you watch.
And FYI, I actually started out as a fan of Ahsoka, so you're hardly in a position to make assumptions about my mindset regarding the character.
7:00 it would have been a stupid move to kill her at that moment, so doing so would have the clones focusing only on him
Honestly, if not for Ahsoka's plot armor, she would barely have lasted long enough to free him. Her presence should've made little to no difference. And that's not even taking into account the fact that the clones should have absolutely no reason to kill either Maul or Ahsoka since neither of them are Jedi. This entire arc is made of stupid, so you're wasting your time trying to rationalize anything.
@@imyouralibi6208Being that I have a reputation to maintain, I specify that I am not a fan of Ashoka, nor of The Clone Wars, nor of Filoni, furthermore I believe that they are among the most overrated things on our globe, surpassed only by Italy (I'm Italian so I can say it). That said, on this specific topic I still stand by my point of view: 1) Even if Ashoka had died after 2 minutes without the plot armor, it would still have taken Maul two minutes longer, and in the end he doesn't show particular aversion or hatred towards her, so he doesn't even have that much determination to kill her. And the risk of her trying to interfere with his escape wasn't that great, but in such a chaotic situation it was unlikely to happen, even if it actually did happen in the end. 2) So I don't understand the logic in the Maul and Ashoka not being "Jedi", the inhibitor chips (Clone Command 66, full of shader Legends>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>> Nuance Nullifier and Plot Hole Maker Chip Canon) should identify all force users as Jedi and thus target all force users except Vader and Palpatine.
Sorry for my English I use Google translate for do this comment
@@manudiferro5284 Np, your English is great 👍
Gotta say I disagree with the idea that Maul didn't hate Ahsoka's guts. She snubbed him during their fight, ruined his plans and jeopardized his safety by using her Mary Sue powers to defeat him, and then later started ordering him around like a dog. And this the same Maul who survived for *years* after being cut in half simply by holding a grudge. The look he gives Ahsoka after she orders him off positively screams "I hate you." He absolutely would have/should have killed her.
I also disagree that the clones should've just labelled every force user a Jedi. By that logic, Vader would not have been treated as an exception and would've been shot down like everyone else. (I'm not counting Palps since, IIRC, he never explicitly revealed his powers in front of any clones.)
Anyway, thanks for clearing up that you're not a TCW/Ahsoka fan. I honestly wasn't sure from your original comment 😅
@@imyouralibi6208Indeed Maul must not have liked Ahsoka, and certainly in a calmer situation he would have killed her, however in the situation in which they were even a few minutes ahead they can be fundamental, furthermore counting the in Star Wars the Clone Wars universe logic Maul must have thought that Ashoka was good enough to get away with it, after all she beat him (obviously this reasoning of Maul makes no sense applying a real logic to the series, but in the idiotic and non-credible logic of the series itself yes, I hope I explained myself well) if he had killed her there, after having killed a platoon of clones would have literally had the whole ship against him and would have died. As for the Chips it makes sense that Palpatine told the Kaminoans to include in them the order not to kill him and Anakin/Vader and actually in the canonical Vader comics, the clones not knowing Vader's post-Mustafar appearance when he they see them identify him as a Jedi and try to kill him
@@manudiferro5284 Oh, lol, yeah, I don't typically count TCW's in-universe logic 😂
Wait, the clones actually tried to kill Vader?? I can't imagine that ended well for the clones 😅
Wow and kanan jarrus is the one with plot armor right?
Wait, do people actually say that? The guy was literally blinded and later killed...
Kanan is plot armor king 🚬
0:04 I don't feel like that one counts as "excessive" plot armor. Maybe it is plot armor but not an excessive one. We've already seen babies her age using the force in an effective way before. For example, there's the baby rhodian from The Clone Wars season 2 episode 3. He was literally making a ball float around.
There's a big difference between floating a ball and literally asserting your will over another living creature.
@@imyouralibi6208 I dunno. Neither me or you are jedi. I mean, we don't know exactly how the force works but it's canonically proven that force sensitive people have different talents. Ezra Bridger, for example, is canonically very talented in connecting to animals. Maybe Ahsoka is as well? Maybe connecting to an animal isn't harder than making things float, it just depends on people talents? I think both are pretty possible explanations.
@@AlexandreSardeiro I mean, we literally never see Ahsoka use Beast Control outside of that one episode in Tales of the Jedi, so it doesn't make sense to say she's proficient with that ability. And if we're using Ezra Bridger for comparison:
1) Ezra was fourteen, not a baby.
2) He still struggled initially with learning Beast Control, despite it being an ability he was natural talented at.
3) To manipulate a creature several times his size like Ahsoka did, he had to tap into the dark side.
Again, it's a very notable difference.
@@imyouralibi6208 I wasn't comparing her to Ezra, it was just an example. However, if we speak about other times Ahsoka used beast control, she succeded in using the jedi mind trick twice first try in Clone Wars. So I think it's safe to say she's talented in jedi mind powers. But, of course, that's not enough evidence, I just thought it was worth bringing that up. However, the same way there are no evidence of beast control being easy, there's also no evidence of it being harder than other force powers, such as moving objects without touching them. Instead, we have evidence that babies are, indeed, able to use the force in an efficient way.
To make it short, there's evidence of babies using force powers while there's no evidence of beast control being harder than moving objects. You presented the point that Ezra needed practice to achieve beast control. However, Luke Skywalker also needed 3 years worth of practice in order to make his lightsaber fly into his hand atvthe beginnkng of Empire Strikes Back. Therefore, Luke needed practice to make something a baby did naturally. Same way, Ezra needed practice to make something a baby did naturally. And there's no evidence of beast control being harder than moving objects. Therefore, my point stands. It probably depends on people aptitudes. Kinda like there are people who are good at math while there are people who are good at history. The rhodian baby was good at making things float while Ahsoka was good at beast taming. As I said before, it may have been plot armor but not an excessive one.
(Unless you also consider Luke, Ezra, Anakin, Obi Wan, etc, to also have excessive plot armor)
You know what? I wouldn’t mind this much plot armor if they had just let her stay dead after rebels. It makes no sense for her to be alive by the time of the OG trilogy.
The plot armor would definitely still bug me but it'd at least be a small comfort knowing the character had a good death. Personally, I think she should've died back in the Clone Wars, but I could let that slide too if only Filoni hadn't pulled the World Between Worlds out of his rear end. And now that he's used it *twice* to resurrect Ahsoka, it really is clear what it's sole purpose is, smh
You know you might be being too harsh.
How is she being too harsh?
Nah, she's just that good lmao.
But in all honesty there are a lot of star wars characters with a ton of plot armor.
Most every character, but especially protagonists, have plot armour to some degree. It’s typical in stories that characters survive obstacles so that the plot can continue. But, when a story is well-written, plot armour is invisible. When “plot armour” is used as a *criticism* it is because it is too visible - it breaks suspension of disbelief that the character survives.
Such is the case with Ahsoka.
~ M.E.
That's fine, of course it could be better but considering that almost every memorable character in that series is untouchable... It is not something special.
Well yeah, if you're only comparing her plot armour to the rest of TCW, overall that series has really poor character writing. But if you compare her to Star Wars characters in general (such as Anakin losing his hand to Dooku due to his arrogant and rash behaviour), she's a glaring example of having overtly thick plot armour.
@@imyouralibi6208, I think their character writing is good. The dialogues between the main trio is awesome as well as clones, everything about them is great. I do not really see any problems aside from power level inconsistensies.
@@Вартанян-ъ3в Just because you like the dialogue doesn't mean the characters are well-written. Anakin is completely out-of-character almost all the time with his Han Solo swagger, and Obi Wan is out of character half the time as well. Ahsoka is horribly inconsistent. Padme is dumbed down. Not to mention Mace Windu and Yoda. And the clones having so much diverse personalities isn't technically true to character either.
Plus the plot armour issues and the power level inconsistencies, as you admitted. It all adds up. TCW character writing isn't very good at all.
@@imyouralibi6208, I suppose you compare them with characters in movies and that's why you say they are inconsistent. I did not watch any of movies but should we really compare them and TCW to determine the goodness of the characters? TCW series can really stand on its own, it is better to view them as the unique adaptation.
@@Вартанян-ъ3в Comparing TCW only to itself is a valid exercise, but it doesn't help much. Ahsoka is horribly inconsistent just within the series itself, and Anakin isn't much better. The power levels are all over the place. That much plot armour, even if it covers all the main characters, isn't good. Half the time characters are stupid for the sake of plot (I don't know how many times the Jedi forget they have the Force). And the list goes on.
I'd highly recommend you watch the movies, at least the Original and Prequel trilogies. They aren't flawless, but they are good stories, and they're objectively better quality than TCW.
All i see is someone coping ashoka is just like that 🚬 all of your points can be debunked
I bet you hate Rey for being a Mary Sue, and yet you defend Ahsoka for being another Mary Sue
@@SolurVoludun 🤡 bro thinks he knows me I don't care for rey it's not the same thing 😂 try again