Denon X4500H AVR and IMAX Enhanced Review! Goldilocks AVR?
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- Опубліковано 3 сер 2024
- The new Denon X4500h is quite a workhorse. It has many features found in their flagship, with enough channels and the sound I look for... Vv Click "SHOW MORE" vV
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This Denon AVR:
sub101.link/DenonX4500h
The X4500H, and the previous incarnations of the X4000 line from Denon, have always been a really strong value. You get the better room correction (Audyssey XT32), 9 on-board channels, and the ability to process up to 11 channels using external amplification. You might not need that many channels now, but the potential is nice.
Unless you're wanting to go with straight pre/pro, this AVR ticks all of the important boxes for me. It allows you to upgrade to external amplification later, if you want to.
The new IMAX Enhanced format seems promising so far. There are just a couple of movies out now, and time will tell how good it really is.
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To be clear, I may have just liked the way the sound was mixed for this particular film, and I can't really judge the entire format based on this one film. It just stood out for the reasons I mentioned.
All I can say is that the idea that the sound was more of direct carry over from the theater mix seemed legit. I would be curious about Avatar with IMAX Enhanced, the first good 3D movie I saw in a true IMAX theater.
Here are some other decent Denon choices in and around this performance range:
sub101.link/DenonX4500h (The AVR in this video)
sub101.link/DenonX4400 (**NO IMAX**, but a crazy good deal right now)
sub101.link/DenonX8500 (IMAX, 13.2 channels, Denon Flagship)
sub101.link/DenonX3400 (No IMAX, only 7.2 channel, but allows full external amplification unlike the X2000 range, and it has XT32)
sub101.link/DenonX6500H (IMAX, 11.2 channel on-board)
While the X1500H and X2500H are good for the money, I would really try to stretch to get at least the X3400H or X3500H if the X4500H or X4400H isn't an option. You get better room correction and external amp ability going from the 2000 to the 3000 series. XT32 is worth the upgrade.
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Here is the setup at the time of upload:
(RV)Amplifier Denon X6200W: amzn.to/2fbCbGx
House AVR: sub101.link/DenonX4500h
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Surrounds: sub101.link/Satellite
Atmos/DTS:X/Auro 3D height effect speakers: sub101.link/Elevation
Center: sub101.link/UltraCenter
Dual PB-4000's (In House): sub101.link/PB-4000
Dual PB-3000's (in RV): sub101.link/PB-3000
SVS Soundpath Subwoofer Isolation System: sub101.link/Isolation
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SHOCKED you only have 12k subscribers!? that's BS. I'll spread the word! Just wanted to say: Your channel has been IMMENSELY helpful in choosing a sub; Just picked up a pair of PB-1000's; I'm at a loss for words honestly in how much of a different universe they are compared to all of the complete waste of time garbage subs that I either gave away/sold/or the amps self destructed. One thing that really stood out for me with SVS is their 5 year unconditional warranty on everything. I'm shocked you don't point this out more often as I'm guessing most parts are made in china, and most manufacturers are only doing 12-24 month warranties, some just give you 12 months on the amp and then 36 months on the sub, almost as if they know the amp is a liability. Brands like Monolith were considered, however in reading their forums, they don't just ship you a new amp, so you're responsible for return shipping on the entire unit = nightmare. So I'll prob be a lifetime SVS fan.
Still loving my Denon x3400h ! ✊🏾Running a emotiva A3 with mine ✊🏾😎
That's a solid AVR!
I've had my eye on this receiver for a few months now...thanks for your opinion!
You are welcome!
Really wanted to go with Marantz as it's time to upgrade my Reciever but Denon is just so versatile at the current price point compared to Marantz
Great tips on these receivers. Thank you for posting. I gave a thumbs up and I am now subscribed.
Great video as always, and I just paired the Outlaw 5000 to my X4400H, and wow the sound is much more enhanced and detailed. But my fav new toy I added was a PB-3000 to go with my PB-2000....OH YEA!! 5.2.4 ATMOS
Great vid as always love your 🐕 🐕
Did the sub gain hack on my little 8” Yamaha sub that came with my HTiB from 7 years ago, thing sounds like a midrange 10” driver now! Much more dynamics, warmth and blends better in the system. Got a new Aventage AVR so speakers are next to get upgraded!
I was really torn between Denon X4500 vs Onkyo RZ840 or even Yamaha A1080, but today finally I decided and ordered Denon...can't wait till it blows up my room 8-]
Well I'm very happy with the Denon or Marantz is another choice or a Canadian company from just north of Toronto brand company called anthem I believe they're out of Newmarket Ontario expensive but they are Canadian
And now the 4500 is on sale. I'm buying one soon.
Just got x4700h and it's great. I have 3 Genelec 8330A dsp speakers up front and one Genelec 7360 dsp sub and those sound like a dream. Genelec does excellent work what comes to their GLM calibration, but I am still going to run Audyssey to check if it will do any better. Planning to add some more Genelecs to back, but have to catch a breath and collect some cash to buy them.
I've been waiting for someone to do a video about the 4500, will you be doing a set up video anytime soon? Just to see if I have mine setup the right way.
Everything I did in my Denon X6200 set up video still applies. Check it out, long but it covered quite a few changes to the settings after room correction.
I subscribed! Curious...I run 7.2 on a Denon AVR-X4000. Does the 4500h support atmos 7.2.x? I am confused by the spec sheet on something that says if you use height speakers there are no "dolby" speakers active. I just want to be able to use/hear my 7.2 and add 2 or 4 height speakers
Hi subwoofer 101. First off I love your videos . I wanted to get your recommendation. I need to decide between a Denon 4500h, marantz sr7012, Onkyo RZ1100 or Yamaha a3070. I’m doing a 5.2.4 setup . I love watching movies and listening to music . I just can’t decide which one would be best (they are all the same price by the way)
What did you choose?
You are not being picky your so right 100% . i dislike to hear so much action and loudness in all speakers that defeats the purpose of the experience in what we want, great separations in each speaker, yes a thematic scene will happen but nice calm quiet but clear sounds in rear and wspecailly hieghts channels is where its awesome and many movies on disc have so much going on at once and dont hit the mark.
@Subwoofer 101 Will the 4500H support 4K 120fps via a firmware update or will you have to get a whole new receiver for PS5/Xbox Scarlett?
I just purchased the 4500 at $1200. Canadian it's going to sit in the box for a while now looking for tv and speakers.
Hi, I have the x4400h and I want to set up Auro 3D. But when taking a quick look at the x4500h I am under the impression no external amp is needed for the Auro 3D. I may be completely wrong, but I'm trying to figure out a cost for an additional amp and if it would be better to sell my x4400 and buy the x4500. Oh boy I never should have started reading about Auro 3 d lol.
Love your videos. Always very informative. I myself have the X4400H. It’s my first Denon AVR and I love it. I just recently maxed it out with 9 channels by going from 5.1.2 to 5.1.4. We’re going to move in a few years and at that point I’ll probably get into the realm of External Amps. I, like you, have my Home theater in the living room. I hope that can change when we move.
Anyway I wanted to say that I don’t know if I agree that IMAX theaters are the “Gold standard.” I guess it depends on what you’re looking for. Arguably I would say the best theater experience is actually Dolby Cinema. The quality is just unmatched, even by IMAX. If you have one nearby I would really suggest you give one a try.
I live in the SF Bay Area and am fortunate enough to live near a Dolby Cinema and an actual IMAX (not LieMAX) and the IMAX IS really just big and loud. There is certainly an appeal for that, but I find myself almost always favoriting Dolby Cinema. Check out one if you haven’t already.
I don't have one close by, but I will make it a point to visit one based on your feedback. How was the bass?
Subwoofer 101 It’s quite good. But I will say it’s rather unique. The subs are on the CEILING. I never looked into why it’s like that but it works. The seats also have transducers so they rumble. The sound system is really great.
Check out this video. It’s summarizes DC nicely.
ua-cam.com/video/zKp_HKJA4hE/v-deo.html
Just want thank you for your recommendation on 4500H for $1200 Canadian it's a steal! Just a question can I do better for all in $1100. Canadian with RSL dual speedwoofers? Remember am Canadian therefore paying $119. Shipping with exchange rate at . 30% on top. Thanks again 🇨🇦
My understanding from a few months ago The 4400 was getting a firmware upgrade to include IMAX enhanced but not the 4300 so you 4400 owners might do some research it's been awhile for me I don't remember where I saw that
Looking at buying the AVRX4500H real soon. The four In-ceiling Atmos/iMax speakers were installed yesterday to round out the 7.2.4
Now we need something a bit better than our AVRx3300w.
Hi my name is Chester Valladares I would like your advice regarding to buy a AV receiver I have a Polk audio 5.1 channel which AV receiver should I go for I will send you the model number of my speaker my email is chesvalladares74@gmail.com looking forward to hearing from you soon thankyou
Hi my name is Chester Valladares I would like your advice regarding to buy a AV receiver I have a Polk audio 5.1 channel which AV receiver should I go for I will send you the model number of my speaker my email is chesvalladares74@gmail.com looking forward to hearing from you soon thankyou
Ok i do trust ur reviews. I have the x4500h. Now im trying to decide new tv 55to65 or 75 inch from a 42inch but beyond that im also looking at svs subs or rel. Trying to get 2 svs pb1000 or 1pb 2000 vs 1 svs pb3000? Im the only one using the system so would i really need 2 subs if i dial 1 sub in very well? Granted this will all happen by next year i have 2 psw110 they are ok but want deeper bass.
65" TV's are fun, I have thought about a 75 inch, but I would lose my 3D.
100%, I would split your budget for duals.
The PB-3000's are very nearly perfect in my opinion, but I would still run dual PB-2000's over a single PB-3000, or even a single PB 16 Ultra for that matter. It matters that much.
It sucks my 4400h has distortion in the left surround channel I have to send in for repair but can’t find my original receipt
The most important thing for me is earc. you need a x4400h or newer to get it.
Hello what do you think will be a better system for a two room setup? A patio with 4.1 and living room with 5.1Denon AVR-X4500H or Yamaha AVENTAGE RX-A2080
Hi! I am currently using one Denon 4500 with B&W 603 Floor-standers and HTM6 Center. I am planning to setup another with the same set of speaker models. But I am little confused this time to choose the AV receiver. I have shortlisted the Marantz 7013 OR the Denon 6500. I will be driving 5.2.4 spk format. I will really appreciate if you could please help me choose between these two amps. Cheers :-)
Honestly, both are great. The sound difference between the Marantz and the Denon is not dramatic, but it slightly favors the Marantz. The Marantz looks better, but the portal display is diffcult to see. I would be happy with either. That probably doesn't help much, but that's what I can tell you.
@@Subwoofer101 thanks much. that's really helpful. one last question: how does the yamaha 2080 or 3080 stands compared to the marantz 7013 ?
I have polk signature 7.2 speakers set but my celing speakers are Klipsch. Will that be a problem with this receiver?
I hv a 5.1.2 setup.2 top tear not dolby enabld.i m using denon x4500h nd dont hv zone 2/3 spkrs nd dont intend to.which amp assign i will use- 7 chnl+zone2/3 or 9 channel assignment.one more thing if i could use my top rear spkr set up as dolby surround,would there b any prob?
Do you use the I/p upscaler on the avr or do you leave it off?
I always let the TV or Blu-ray player handle the upscale, but I should check it out.
When it comes to video, I usually keep the AVR in pass through, so as not to alter anything, but I just read some interesting opinions on the matter. Thanks for bringing it to my attention!
I went with 4400. Once they release the HDMI 2.1 receiver then I will upgrade.
You will not need full HDMI 2.1 for a while. The hi bandwith is only used above 8k. Other 2.1 features, such as ALL and eARC are already implemented, even on your 4400.
Can you do a review on a yamaha latest avr reciever .. It seems denon and marantz is all over you tube i understand tge power of advertisement..maybe yamaha feels they dont need much advertising but advertising more diesnt mean its better.
another great video brother. think anybody who watches your videos goes away learning something more.and by the way thanks for showing my reply on your video. that was tits. I almost fell out of my chair lol. I have the 4400 because I couldn't rap my head around the 4500 costing twice as much. but that's me only because I use the 4400 to its fullest'.with a amp and 11 speaker dolby atmos setup.and two subs of course.a good atmos dvd is off the hook.by way of your hack videos.how many speakers did you use when you tested that IMAX dvd ? hope all is well n cheers to ya and the family.
Do you want to check out jtr subs I have the 2400 they go down to 10 herts love em pb16s are also great I heard them before
from what you're describing. it's like most of what we watch is 1080P. when you see a 4K HDR or an 8K you see a totally different picture. The same goes for audio tracks. some audio tracks that are "supported by Dolby Atmos" you will hear a totally different sound. (somewhat flat)
I don't think it's the receiver itself. I think it has to do with the track itself. I notice the same thing on flagship receivers. Denon or Onkyo. it's very confusing
On the Denon X 2400 H I'm having trouble with the zone to turning on and it doesn't turn off with the switch it becomes part of the power bar button do you know anything to correct this issue
Precisely with Zone 2 turning on when I don't want it to and trying to get it to turn off and stay at Zone one for the 5.1 surround
Press zone 2 and power that part off, then press main to go back to just working the main zone.
Where did you get that beautiful planet disc from? How about a give away ?
I have a link in the description for both movies. They aren't like the demo discs that are hard to come by, they are readily available to the general public.
@@Subwoofer101 I once saw a copy of it at the dollar tree on blu ray!
Huh, never would have thought!
The receiver is great, but as the Imax enhanced format disables Bass Management (does not make use of the crossover frequency in all your speakers to the sub) I am not a fan of that.
wow i did not know that, good to know
Cant decide between the 4500 and 3600 despite your detailed insight.
Dito
Imho you should have bought the X6400H which is a Japan made monoblock design with better components and amp specifications than the X4500H. The IMAX Enhanced format is just a tuned DTS format and completely disposable. The X4500H brings nothing over the X4400H apart from IMAX, so the 2017 models are a much better bargain now that they´re discounted.
Reason I went with the X4400 last year, $$$!! when you can get the X4400 NEW/Shipped and under $900 it was a no brainer. Would of loved to have got the X6400 but it was still around $2000 on sale.
Well said. I went with the X400H for a MUCH better deal (under $800 on Amazon via Denon authorized seller) and never looked back. Pretty much the same receiver and same specs as the X4500H but for half the price!
with 5.1.2 in klipsch setup can this receiver get to 0.0db without lose steam? or he don't reach this volume level?
If you get the bass right, you typically don't need to go that high, but even then, most of the stress would be on the subwoofer amps.
To me, doing it "right" would involve dual, deep bass subs, speakers set to "Small" regardless of size, and at 80 hertz crossover, I usually do at least 90 hertz for big speakers and 120 for smaller surround speakers. This transfers the brunt of the amplifier load to the subs, where it truly belongs.
You can see my Best Subwoofers list for more detail about deep bass subs, which would be a true game changer over your current setup. The link to "The List" is in the description of this video, and below.
You can also see my Large vs Small article about bass management. It explains why I use these settings in a pretty helpful way.
Lastly, if you are going to listen at reference, it's a good idea to run external amplification rather than rely on any AVR by itself. It would take the strain off of the onboard amps. This AVR has external amplification capability.
www.subwoofer101.com/best-subwoofers/
www.subwoofer101.com/setting-up-your-gear/large-vs-small-lfe-main-double-bass-etc/
@@Subwoofer101 Have the PB3000 is insane. So its yes? klipsch rb61 II+rc52 ii+rs42 ii, cause they only talk about reference levels in the high range models, not in this
I would say yes, with the caveat that you should get another PB-3000, and if the 4500 loses steam, so would most other AVR's, and I would go with external amplification at that point.
Run as much gain as you can stand on the subs without them sounding overdone. Should make getting close to reference unnecessary. I run around -18 to -23 for movies and it's a kick in the pants!
@@Subwoofer101 the problem is that'I have a 5000³feet room, this is a sound killer grrrr
Stuck between 4500h and marantz 7013
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Auro3D is biggest deal about the 4500!!! That and the 4 Sharc processors it uses.
A good movie on netflix that has great surround separation in the rare channels is called Silent its a ripoff from movie Quiet but its still good big birds flapping wings flying around loudly in rare channels.
Holy Muffin Stuffer! What subs are THOSE? And, do you have permission from the government to use them?
Full IMAX is great, but I prefer Dolby Cinema now. IMAX theaters are too loud for me to the point where my ears hurt.
This guy says I'm going to do a review of the Denon X4500H but I'm not gonna get into all the numbers, what! Too busy talking about him self to do the review.