Denon X3600H or X4500H? Which AVR Should You Buy?
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- bit.ly/WWSMS Today I compare the Denon AVR-X3600H (bit.ly/WWSX3600H) and the Denon AVR-X4500H (bit.ly/WWSX4500H). You asked for this video, so here it is! Let me know which one you would buy in the comments!!
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Great comparison video. Thanks as always for the great content.
Thank you for watching Tristan!
I picked up the 3600H for $799 on Amazon last month. It was a complete steal at that price. After some initial problems with the setup not completing (had to rerun with no ambient noise as far as possible), it sounds great. The Alexa integration is pretty good as well. My next plan is to add a power amp and add 2 more atmos speakers and a 2nd subwoofer. The 3600H is a fantastic deal for sure.
Nice pickup Kendall!!
Have you added a power amp yet bro.
@@bustercolin7507 Haven't had the chance with all the drama going on these days. I did pick up the Node 2i for my patio system and set it up in conjunction with Roon so now I have access to all my music and can play the same or different sources throughout the house. The Denon will act as a Roon endpoint through Airplay. It really is a fantastic AVR.
For the power amp, I still have to decide between the Outlaw 5000, Outlaw 7000 or one of the Monoprice series. Both are well reviewed and offer great value.
@@kendalltull9854 thanks for your reply man. Stay safe bro!
Both are great looking units. Great back panel layouts, with plenty of inputs. Lots of flexibility. Love the pre out section each has, lots of power options there.
Agreed. Denon is on the right track bringing the higher end features to a lower price point.
I been researching av receivers for 2 weeks and your channel is the best straight forward information out . I bought some Sony wh1000 headphones and heard the 360 thing and said it’s time to upgrade my home audio. From 5.1 surround Yamaha htr-5860 to something more up to date . I like the reviews on the denon avr- 3600 but it’s discontinued so the updated 3700 or 4700 is on my list from denon . I just want to enjoy my jazz, old school r&b and chill will this do it with the atmos , dds, and all the other alphabet engineering marvels out there . At a time you could go to a audio store and go into a sound room and hear all the new technology and different speakers and make your choice and build what you could afford . My other choice is just enjoy my headphones and my aiwa exos-9 Bluetooth speaker in the garage. Thank you your new subscriber.
This is the predicament I am in...THANK YOU for this video and your opinion!! My problem is missing out on Auro3D
Yeah, that's the tough call. At least they are both discounted right now.
I'm glad I saw this video, I noticed the X3600H does not have 3D video pass through which for me is a huge thing as I have almost 200 3D movies.
Great vid and great question to ask! If I could go back, I would get the denon avr-x3600h (vs the 2600h) because I currently do not have pre outs for an external amp in the future :(
luckily external amplification would be overkill for me at the moment due to size of listening area and listening volume I use.
Yeah, I think you'll be okay for the foreseeable future. I usually upgrade AVRs every 5 - 6 years.
Been watching a couple of your videos and they have been very informative. Keep up the good work! I have a question for you, how important is a network port in Denon AV receiver? Been looking a couple of models and it'll be my first receiver, just not sure if i can make do with a cheaper model without the network port.
Hi! Thank you for watching! It's not super important. It's mainly for updates and using a streaming audio service like Tidal or Spotify through the AVR.
Yo brother glad you're always keeping it real. Most of the other channels are so far outside the box of people being able to afford anything it's being absolutely ridiculous. Borderline on Ludacris for somebody to be able to even remotely be able to afford certain subwoofers and all kinds of crazy crap we talked about this many a Time glad to see you always have the consumer in mind I have mad respect for you buddy
Thanks man!! I can’t wait to get into some more budget options/packages for those just starting out.
Hi Techno Dad. I have a Denon x3600h. I had Best Buy set up a home system form me about 3 years ago. They placed all the equipment in my basement with wires running up to the tv and speakers in the living room. My main question is how do I hook up a turntable to this receiver? I would prefer an analog setup. Also, do you recommend a specific turntable? Thanks.
My AVR X-4100W just broke down (HDMI board). I replaced it with an 4500H because I don't want to go down from the 4000 Series performance wise and the clean look of the front plate was really important to me.
I like the 3600 for an upgrade from a 5.1 system. I plan to mainly use the earc capabilities as I already run everything through appropriate switches. The 4k/120 devices can run through the TV for best latency. Nvidia Shield, Roku Ultra, Region Free DVD player, Blu Ray player, Chromecast Ultra, and PS5. Planning on an OLED TV later this year and my current AVR is an Onkyo 5.1 with only arc support. Sony 52" LCD currently on the wall.
Nicely done Techno Dad!!!
Thank you!
Got the 4500 about a year ago before the 3600 came out. Really happy. Have 2 amps powering the main 5 channels (LCR and side surrounds). 4500 powers the 4 heights and 2 rear surrounds. Really happy with it. Also got it for around $1,200 taxes in canadian. Worth every penny.
Nice setup Charles, I'm sure it kicks ass!!
@@TechnoDad it's pretty darn good and worth the money. So I can confirm the x4500 works to process 11.2 channels. The sub output on the 4500 is separate (discrete rca sub outs) as well. Not sure if the 3600 is as well.
@@chuck24171 where did you get the receiver Charles? I m looking for one in Canada. Thanks.
@@kevincheung3023 Visions Electronics, but I wouldn't suggest there anymore. Terrible service, heard good things about Gibby's. gibbyselectronicsupermarket.ca/product/denon-avr-x4500h-9-2-channel-network-a-v-receiver-b-stock/
I got the X3600H last year when it was on sale. Happy so far, adding ext power amp soon to power 2 more atmos heights. IMAX is nice specially if you have an IMAX enhanced tv.
How do youI afford all this stuff
@@yotty97 saving up and being smart with sales!
Hello and thanks for the video your video has really helped I'm currently upgrading from the Sony 1080 (it went on fire)
My concern is all the talk of adding an amp... Does it not preform well just on 2 chanel music.... The music side is my main thing... I just don't have the room for a proper set up where I currently live hence why my reciever has to deliver on both fronts..... I did enjoy the Sony 1080 I presume purely on the music front it would be a step up? I've read some people say it lacked punch..... I'm going to be spending alot of money on this bit of kit any help and advice would really be helpful 😲😁
Thank you for the info. I am looking for a 5.2.4 atmos receiver that has heos, and can power 2 speakers on my patio. I would really like to control the volume of the patio speakers with my phone. Is there a Denon receiver that can accommodate this?
i got the 4500 for a place holder while i get everything upgraded to 4k. letting the dust settle on the new pre/pros
That's a good plan.
Hello Techno Dad, is there any way we can assign the two front speakers to the external amp in the 5.1.4 configuration? I have X4500H and I don't see option to assign the front speakers to the preout. Thanks.
Hello love all your videos. I still can’t make my mind up 3600 or 4500. Price difference today in UK today 3600 £100 cheaper. I’m running 5.1 now but hopefully get 5.1.4. What is your advise at this is small price gap ?
I swear I commented, but I can’t find it LOL. My buddy got an X3600 and finally got to set it up. He is EXTREMELY pleased with his decision to go this route. Too bad your sponsor doesn’t sell on Amazon to take Amazon Gift Cards.
I have a chance to get a Denon 4500 model for a great price, it’s obviously a 2018 model? Or should I search for a 3600 or 3700 model? I currently have a 2200 model and it’s 5 years old ... thoughts ?
Techno Dad there is a listing for 4500 and the price right now is around 650$. Should i go for it and just pray that earc will work? What do you think?
So now that the x4700 is out and the same price as the x6500, which one should we buy?
I got the x4500h and I'm looking to get the X 3800h, soon as I get the chance. I'm going to look to add the emotiva 5 channel amp home theater setup😊
Hi techno dad! Thanks for the vid. Im about to upgrade my old harman kardon dd/dts receiver. Going for atmos now. Are denons reliable? Great quality. My Harman is already 13yrs old and is still great. Had an issue with yamahas before. Thanks man
I feel like Denon has good quality and is reliable.
Hi Techno Dad, for Klipsch KL-650 LCRs which AVR would you recommend between Onkyo TX-RZ840 and Denon AVR-X3600H? The speakers are THX Ultra 2 certified, Onkyo is THX certified too and the Denon is not. Not sure if the Onkyo has independent Sub control or not, does it?
Hi! The THX certification means it will output well, but it's not a huge deal. With both of those AVRs, you will have a good experience. I personally like Audyssey over AccuEQ. I've found that room correction is the big thing that sets AVRs appart.
Thank you for the info.
You bet!
Great comparison; any chance you could do a similar comparison between the X3600H and the Marantz SR6013?
New Denon AVRs announced. Prices of current lines should go down soon - ua-cam.com/video/ZSDui5q4tJc/v-deo.html
Hi I have a question I have a denon avr x3500h and when I have internet radio on and on some channels with them being from a country outside the UK probably the same in the USA example if I have a channel on from Ukraine some display the name and others just have a load of ................. is there a way to change this to see the name even if it’s not in English
Hey! what’s your current setup? Did you keep the Parasound amp? Do you have more CES vids down the pipeline? What about bass management with these, do they have dual sub outs? Questions questions thanks
Harrell Matute Yes they both have dual subwoofer outputs. They also have the upgraded version of Auddesy.
Harrell, right now it's Denon X6500H running 5.1.4 Martin Logan with SVS Prime Elevation speakers. Parasound 5 channel amp powering the five ear level speakers. I have one CES video I've been working on for a while. Both AVRs have dual, independent subs.
Hi mate.
thank you for great vid and comparison.
Would you help me a bit if you don't mind
I'm just to decide between X4500h and X3600. I got set up of 7.1 and wonder whether that might work with AURO 3D? Or do I need 9.1 to get this working properly. Is it worth paying extra few quid for X4500 with AURO 3D or just get the X3600...?
regards
Andy
You can't go wrong with either of those two. If you don't need Auro 3D, then go with the X3600H. The new Denon 2020 AVRs were just announced so both of these should be dropping in price in the coming months - ua-cam.com/video/ZSDui5q4tJc/v-deo.html
thanks TD, now, which speakers should we get for best bang for the buck atmos set up?
I just go the ELAC Debut Reference. Those would be a good pair at $599 - amzn.to/2RnyMp6
I'd roll 3600H and get a decent two channel power amp. 105w is enough for surrounds and the receiver is the component you'll replace the most with new tech on the horizon.
Good call!
Completely agree. I have the 3500H, and have been researching amps for additional power in the future.
@@ekbusdriver Ive just bough the 3600h with a view to buying an amp for my front LS50, if I find it wanting in any way. Did you decide which amp to go for?
Wanting to buy one of these, but not really going to be using the extra stuff on the 4500. The only thing I am worried about is the power to run speakers. I will use 2 Pioneer SP-EFS73 as my front stereo speakers, will the 3600 have any problems running those, or should I go for the 4500? I have a 5.1 system at the moment and plan on adding those stereo speakers mostly for music playback, but also for movies too. Will I have any problems with these, or do you even recommend a better pair of tower speakers for the front ones, as I have not bought them yet?
I think you should be fine.
@Tecno Dad Does the VOG channel have to be ran into one of the subwoofer outputs? Also when HDMI 2.1 is released can the 4500h be sent to Denon for the HDMI upgrade? I believe Gene from Audioholics said the 8500H will have this option. He never specified if lower models in the X series have this option.
Hi Carl! I don't think HDMI 2.1 will be installed on the X4500H when it comes out. VOG channel for the X4500H should only be output on Subwoofer 2 pre-out.
What I wanted to get from this comparison is whether you can effectively disconnect the front channels from the power amp on the 4500 as you can on 3600. This is the whole hype around the 3600 as it gives you a measurably better stereo preamp this way so you can upgrade with a higher quality external amp for music without sacrificing much and still use HDMI ARC etc.
That I don't know.
Did you find an answer to this?
@@matsudakodo I think X4500H can't disconnect the preamps on any channels, simply because it has the same amount of preamps channels as well as power amp channels. Isn't it weird that the really good thing in my mind about the X3600H is a byproduct of it being lower tier and not having the full 11 power amp channels. Then again I am not sure how popular is the prioritization of HDMI, ARC and stereo sound over surround sound in general. Will see what AV receiver makers will make out of this in the future.
Hey TD, so any possibility of a direct comparison between any of these Denon 11.2 Channel AVRs & the Marantz SR6013/6014 ? I know they are under the same Sound United roof and all but...I'm curious. Thanks! Ps. I own both a Denon and a marantz and will be upgrading to an 11.2 Processor (7.2.4 setup) soon. Thanks
Hi Mark! When speaking to the engineers, they say there is a master Marantz person that makes sure the AVR has that "Marantz Sound." I'm not 100% sure what that meas, but there should be some sort of audible difference between the two.
I would also love to see a comparison between the Denim’s and Marantz Receivers. I love Marantz but I am currently wondering if the higher pricing is justified vs the Denon devices.
@@thegymnomad Same here Sven, I have both but would love an objective comparison. Love my Marantz though
How about Yamaha Aventage A2080? Is better? I’m about to change my Aventage A2020
Is it not advised to wait for the next models supporting next HDMI version? do u have some ideas when new denons will be released?
Hi, Great question! Unless you are planning on getting a TV with HDMI 2.1 and gaming consoles coming out at the end of the year, then wait. But for the most part there are not going to be many 8K sources for quite a while.
I am using Denon Avr 4500h. Since from last 3 months and i am satisfied with it..
Nice!!
I have a x2300w I bought and now wish I had got an expandable 9.2 ch like these for future proof build of a 7.1.4 which I had no idea about back when I got the Denon X2300
Yeah, I know the feeling. It’s tough to see down the road and decipher what each product does and does not do. At the time you bought the X2300, the 9 channel Denon would have cost $1,600.
Great video, thanks.
I have the 3600 and am wondering if going with a separate amp, like the Denon PMA-800NE or something similar, would make my two front Elac debut 6.2 speakers sound better?
Hi! If you were going to spend that kind of money I would go with a 5 channel amp and power the front stage. You'll get more power and using another amp is not the best in that kind of situation.
@@TechnoDad Thank you.
Nice review!
My thoughts:
If you need the extra power and Auro 3d. You should go for the 4500H. I got mine for 1195 euro but got cash back, because the shop had this thing within 60 days in a discount so I got it for 989 euro.
I love the 4500h. I needed the power for all the speakers and for that little bit of more money, you should definitly buy the 4500h instead of the 3600h.
Have a nice weekend all!
Great perspective!
Techno Dad, amongst the marantz, Denon, Yamaha, and Onkyo brands, what are the least expensive AV receiver options that would allow someone to run an external power amp to power the front speakers? It seems that the AVR-x3500 is the least expensive option that offers preamp out for all speakers from Denon.
Hi man. Great job again. What avr would you choose between the 4500 denon and the 2080 yamaha ?
Thanks in advance for your answer
Hi! I would go with the X4500H
@@TechnoDad thanks man. That is what i did.
Does the MultEQ XT32 on the X4500H have the ability to designate the front Atmos speaker placement as resting on the top of the front left and right sound stage. Using the wall height to reflect sound opposed to having true height speakers. I bought a pair of the Klipsch R-41SA and am not sure yet on their placement. I can understand placing them on the wall as height channels would probably sound better however unsure if I'm just place them on top of my mains. I just want to make sure the MultEQ XT32 gives me the options for placement.
Hi Victor! Yes, you can set it up as a “Dolby Speaker” which is what you’re describing.
Hello TD! I appreciate the help. It's upgrade time and this should fit my need for a 5.2.2 setup. I like how it utilizes Sub EQ HT for dialing in 2 subs. Coming from the Denon 4310CI which has giving me many years of great sound. Wanting some Atmos and dual sub action.
I was hard pressed on getting 4500 vs 6500,am not paying $1000. Made in Japan. 4500H I purchased for $1200. Canadian, beautiful AVR and friendly to use, so far. Great video as always 🇨🇦
Thanks Ross! And great choice!
Great video buddy I was wondering if you could recommend a AVR for around 600 bucks is my budget thanks for any help and advice. I’m only using a 5.2 set up thank you
Hi Felix! Quick question...what kind of system are you trying to setup? 5.1? Atmos? 5.1.2?
@@TechnoDad A 5.1.2 Atmos
I would go with the 3600 even with the great deal on the 4500 right now. I would put that extra money away for an external amp to run my LCR.
I only went with the 4500H cause of IMAX and I got for $1200 Canadian
@@ross5506 The 3600H also has IMAX Enhanced. It does not have Auro 3D though. That doesn't bother me because no streaming platform supports it at the moment afaik.
the price difference is around 100Euros. How much for a good external amp?
Nice video. I've pretty much watch all your videos, very informative and simply put.
Could you suggest a device for a 2channel guy, who needs a streamer + preamp (2channel only).
Thanks in advance.
Shaz 🍻🍻
Hi Shaz! What is your budget and what are you trying to achieve? Streaming video? Streaming audio?
Hey Channa, thanks for the reply, really appreciate your interaction.
1. Budget is USD 1500.
2. Mostly Audio through my CDP + Spotify & Tidal.
3. I also have my cable TV and Netflix
all hooked up to the avr (Yamaha rx-v683) currently, which has no pre-outs 🙁 for the main speakers.
So there you go 😇🙏
@@shazadirani I got the same Yamaha avr as you and I'm thinking on getting the Denon 3600. Did you get it, if so what's the overall sound like compared to the Yamaha?👍
@@bustercolin7507 hey bud....I dint get the Denon but I did get to hear one at a friend's through a pair of DIY floostanders.....I would say they are are slightly warmer than the Yamaha and also cleaner sounding.
@@shazadirani ok cheers bro👍
On the BestBuy website, there are a several reviews where people are having on/off issues with the 4500. I wonder if the 2019 models were supposed to fix this? You should do your homework on this before buying the 4500.
I just picked up a AVR X6500H for 1499 USD. Denon has some great discounts on that outgoing model and is more powerful. Needed that for my power hungry SDA SRS 1.2 Polks.
Does the x4500h have the ability to map the front channels to an external amp like the x3600h?
Yes, it does!
Great review! Thank you for the continuing commitment to this hobby.
With great channels like yours spreading the knowledge, the entire audio community will benefit.
Keep it up my man!
Thank you!
Hey! Thanks for the comparison. You mentioned nothing about the Dolby Atmos height virtualization which is only available on the 3600. did you already try it out and does it make any difference if customers don‘t want to invest in a full atmos set up at home???
Also, I am wondering if following aspects, which are not available on the 3600, make a difference regarding the sound quality of my speakers (Martin Logan Motion 40, FX, SLM XL, Dynamo 800)
-Gold plated RCA terminals
-Clock Jitter Reducer
-Alpha Processing
-eARC
I listen to a lot of music but also like to have a great TV sound experience while watching blockbuster movies.
I forgot about that, but thinking it over, the Atmos Height Virtualization is for those that do not have Atmos and want a "virtual Atmos" out of your ear level speakers. Not sure that's a deal breaker for most.
Techno Dad Alright, thanks! What about Gold plated terminals, clock jitter reducer, alpha processing and eARC. Do these aspects make a real difference?
I bought a used (but still in new condition) AVR recently. It's the DENON AVR 1913. I am very plased with it except for one thing. It does not seem to be able to drive wireless speakers. It does everything I expect but that. Can you tell if other similar AVR products can drive wireless speakers? If yes, which?
Hi! What do you mean by drive wireless speakers?
send sound wirelessly to wireless speakers
Can the VOG channel be assigned on the 4500h to an unused channel like surround back instead of preout sub2? I’m looking to do 10.1 Auro3d with the 5 ear level powered by an external amp and the 5 ceiling speakers by the internal AVR amplification. Is that possible?
Hi! No, you can’t do that. You’ll have to use an amp for VOG channel. You get the option to power from surround back with the X6500H. The X4500H has to be powered externally.
Techno Dad thank you! Exactly the input I was looking for. So I need to set up to 6500h then. I would think for that $ I should also look at Marantz. What Marantz model would allow that? Thanks again
If you use an external amp. Can you shut off all amps on the 4500h, and just use it as a preamplifier, like the 3600h.
I don't think so. They added that to the X4700H (amzn.to/2IHW3AF)
im def getting the 3600, its the sweet spot and the price drop is nice, just wonder if i should wait more??
It will probably go down more, but maybe closer to the middle or end of the year
Can you review the Denon Avr-750h
If they send me one, of course!
Os this Denon better than Yamaha rxa3040?
Most people (in germany) getting the x4500h are getting it for the auro 3D upmixer, which at least in the german home theatre community is said to be the best one.
I haven't had the chance to listen to both myself, but they also make the comparison that upmixed atmos bluray tracks sound actually better with the auro upmixer.
What is your take on that and have you ever made the same experience?
I would love to get my hands on Auro-3D movies and the same movies in Atmos to make a good comparison. Still looking around! If you know a website I can order Auro-3D movies from, please send me the link. Thanks!
@@TechnoDad Auro blurays are really rare.
What i meant was just using the auro upmixer on any format like 5.1/7.1 or atmos.
It is said to improve any movie experience the most, if you have the auro 3D specific sepaker configuration.
As far as i understand auro disks are even kind of dying but if the upmixer is such a good technology
that wouldn't be much of a problem.
@@gyunex4889 Same question, this topic has definitely not been addressed publicly enough in the UA-cam home theatre community.
How many speakers do you need for auro 3d? Do you really need auro 3d in the US?
You don't really NEED it. I setup a 10.1 Auro-3D configuration in my living room, so I will want to use it. I have to import movies from Europe though...
Literally was thinking about this then your video showed up..... 👀
Nice! People have been asking me to make this video.
Like really how the fuk you reading my mind?
Me and my friend was just talking about this exact topic right before this video dropped. We both went with the X4500H
Why did you not mention the Dolby Height Virtualization feature at all? That was what made me choose the 3600 over the 4500.
That's more for people not running an Atmos setup. I figured if people were looking at these two models they would be setting up at least a 5.1.2 Atmos configuration.
Techno Dad I have the 3600 for my 5.2 setup. I would not choose a lower model, because I wanted Audyssey XT32, which also supports dual subs. Since I don’t have any overhead speakers, the Dolby Height Virtualization feature made me go with the 3600 over the 4500.
Rikard Eriksen Hi Rikard, what’s your opinion about this function. I also don’t want to invest into any Atmos set-up. How do you enjoy the Dolby height virtualization function so far? Do you regret your choice?
Sven Schumann To be honest, I haven’t had much time to experiment with it yet. But the receiver is good!
Rikard Eriksen Hi Rikard, thanks for your reply. I would appreciate it if you could give me some feedback about this function after you have tested it. I am really interested in it but if it is not worth using it I would go for the marantz 6013 instead. You get this device for the same amount as the denon 3600 in Germany right now
This is a legit review and it really helped me make my decision. Thank you for posting this!
Glad I could help!
I’ve been researching these AVR’s and trying to decide. The piece of the puzzle missing is what Audioholics brought to light about being able to physically disconnect the two front channel preouts to connect to an external amp and reassign them to run the 10th and 11th channels. Audioholics was able to get a clean 4v RMS out of the X3600h due to this ability. I cannot find ANYWHERE if the Denon X4500h or x6500h or Marantz SR6014 or SR7013 have this same ability. Can you or someone else here give me some welcomed advice? Thank you all.
Mark Van Alstyne Gene wasn’t 💯 percent sure if the 4500 and 6500h have that same feature. The 8500h does though. I’m willing to bet the 4500h and 6500h have that feature.
Hi Mark. Yes, the X3600H and X4500H do this. I have setup institution in a video about the X3600H, which is normal functionality. I think what he is saying is that whatever channels you send to be externally amplified disconnect from the power source so that all the power in the AVR can be rerouted to boost all the other channels. That's what I got from talking to Gene. Not sure what models this works on, though.
Techno Dad so so so, all my 7 ear level speakers are the pre outs on my AVR, and the AVR powers the 8 height. So you’re saying, there’s a way of disconnecting the ear level 7 channels, from their power supply, and this will give the 8 heights more, and cleaner power? Am I getting it right?
Duane Bennett I believe it (at least the x3600h specifically) will only allow you to reassign and disconnect the front two main channel precuts from the amplifier portion of the receiver, not the other 7 channels. Unfortunately, I fear the only man that could truly factually and scientifically explain this would be Gene from Audioholics.
@Techno Dad , thank you for the assistance. You doing so has made me even more of a fan. Thank you again, sir!
What are your thoughts on these compared to the onkyo tx-rz840
I have yet to try the higher end Onkyo products. I’ve contacted the person in charge of sending out review units but they haven’t responded.
Really ? I am using X1500H already too much for my 5.1 and Netflix configuration, btw I am using MT-60d satellites setup.
I split the difference and bought the 4400 for $899. Couldn’t be happier. I’ve owned 4 AVR and the last three have been DENON...
What do you think about the 3500H?
Great avr! The 3600H adds processing for 11 channels and powers 9 channels. The 3500H processes and powers 7 channels.
Most people over-buy when it comes to receivers, and they really don’t need to.
This is true!
I wanna run 5.1.4 what’s the best for me?
@@Yourfutrboss The AVR-X3600H contains the amplification part of the AVR-X4500H and you can use it for a 9.2 or 5.1.4 setup. Therefore, like its bigger and beefier brother, the x4500h, the X3600h does not need an additional amplifier for the height channels. All eleven channels are active, so you can provide 5.1 at ear height, plus four speakers on the ceiling or high on the wall. I've owned both and both are more than enough to power most setups. I run our x4500h with Ascend Acoustics Sierra Towers, their Duo LCR monitors for Center, and back channels and two SVS SB2000s and the whole thing sounds brilliant. I hope this helps and best of luck!
I talked to someone at World Wide Stereo. He said the 4600H isn’t on the road map. I imagine it will at least next year before we see a 4600H.
Yeah, that's what I figured. They probably want to sell more and could possibly be waiting to HDMI 2.1 or HDR 10+ pass-through. That's all speculation though.
@@TechnoDadI'm guessing eARC is going to take over in the long run at which point there won't be much reason to pipe your video through a receiver.
Did they miss out the Phono pre built in ?? or did i miss it out
Hi! Both of these have a Phono stage 2:37
How would you compare the Denon 3600 vs Yamaha Adventouge, that is in the same class
I like Audyssey in the Denon over YPAO in the Yamaha...
@@TechnoDad Yeah for AVR's Denon/Marantz are killing it for mainstream. If you want better your going to pay for the high end and even those won't offer as many features.
Techno Dad im thinking of buying 4500 with a Klipsch 5.1 speaker package and add 4 atmos at a later time. My only concern is this: when ps5 launches later this year, will i be able to connect the receiver using e-arc? i dont want to buy something now and have connection issues later, but from the other hand the price is better if i buy this now
Hi! You would want to connect the PS5 to the AVR, so you wouldn’t be using eARC.
@@TechnoDad if my TV will have a full HDMI 2.1 then i would be forced to connect my TV directly to the PS5 (HDMI 2.1) and then the TV to the receiver.
@@TechnoDad with LG c9 i can connect ps5 directly to the tv and then passthrough audio via earc to the receiver
@@TechnoDad why do that? what do you mean? i will use earc
X4500h more watts, lower THD% this feature allows for a more pure audio quality and whole lot less noise (most ppl don’t know that) the heavier one in lbs of the two means Amps are bigger thus allowing for more power to speakers, just make sure speakers can handle that power.
Hey T.D. what's the sound difference between Denon and Yamaha? 👍
Hi! That's a tough one as I preffer Audyssey room correction over the YPAO in the Yamaha
@@TechnoDad I've just gone from Yamaha to denon and I have to agree with you on the audyssy. Only problem is I did the audyssy set up for my 2 towers and 1 sub, it recognised the sub but when it finished I only got sound from my towers and not the sub so had to do manual setup?
Found it Ok 4500H it is then. Thanks really nice video well produced keep it up
It’s a good one. I had the AVR-X4400H in for review and it was a great performer.
@@TechnoDad Receiver is still a few weeks away but the 4 Klipsch R-625FA's just don't want to arrive. Have the R-100SW, 2 R-41's, R-52C. My wife can't get over how good they sound.
@@LoudCobra1 did you get the 4500H and are you happy
I was debating the x4500h vs the x6400h, ultimately I went with the x6400h for 300 more bucks due to the better japanese build quality and I didnt really care about imax enhanced, as long as it had the e-arc and it did, gotta love accessories for less
I just picked up a AVR X6500H for 1499 USD. That's a steal. Local dealer had about 20 of them. That was 300 less then Amazon. Like you say, its superior because of the higher grade materials with Japanese build, it weighs over 30 lbs and most importantly, has significant increase in current/power. Only thing better is the X8500 which is a beast. And that cost 4K. It won't fit in most cabinets. Just enormous and weights 50 lbs. That mimics the monster AVR's of the past. Mostly people go to separates now. But the X6500H is enough for most systems.
What about x3500h 2018 model ? Right now it is for $550 is it worth to pay extra 350$ for x3600h?
Irakli Kechaghmadze the 3500 is a 7 channel amp the 3600 is a 9 channel amp that can be upgraded 11 channel amp I also believe the 3500 dosent have IMAX enhanced they 350 is warranted in fact at ac4l you can get a refurb for 749.
I would spend the extra cash on the X3600H as it has way more options and 11 channel process with 9 powered channels. The X3500H is only 7 channel process and power.
Running the x4500h with 7.2,I still like the 6500 mostly cause it's made in Japan, that's rare today.
I just picked up a x6500H yesterday at my local dealer "listen up" in Albuquerque. I stole it for 1499 new. Its a beast. 32 lbs with 140 watts. The build quality is amazing and the chassis reminds me of the monster AVR's of the past. Only other is the X8500 which is a monster and won't fit in most cabinets. That thing weighs 50 lbs. Just insane.
Any idea, Is SR8012 update coming soon? been waiting for a year now :D
No clue as of yet!
Techno Dad Thanks Channa !
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Love my 4500 got it last summer for 1100$ all in Canadian. At that price it was a no brainer.
Sweet!!
Same here. Bought it at visions
is that after or pre tax
@@caleythomson6583 after or pre tax?
@@ippytuklulu I said all in so its tx and shipping
The 3600 has eARC and HEOS--seems like your chart did not reflect that ?
They both support eARC and Heos. In fact, the "H" in X3600H and X4500H stands for Heos.
Man so confused....... I need a receiver mainly for music purposes only ....... phono FM AM...... streaming..... cds and whatever not really into home theater....... I need something I can add amplifiers into....... I currently have klipsch rp 280F and a marantz mm 7025..... but don't have the right receiver to use the amp on...... best recommendations for one please
The higher end Denon/Marantz AVR's have pre outs to add dedicated amps. Marantz also makes a pre amp/processer. Sounds like you may want to go with separates if you are really critical about music.
@@HiPlains1 I figured it out I picked up a NAD C658........ just going to build off of that...... thanks for the reply......
I picked up the X3600H for $799 on amazon at 2am one morning brand new just keep looking it will drop again. Others got it at that price also. Boom!!
Boom in deed!!!
It will go down to 599 in the summer, they always do.
That’s ok, I’m happy with $799
@@jeffnewell2662 Cool!! When it went down to 899, everybody thought it was a great deal, same thing happens every year, always wait till summer....LOL
We definitely lucked out Jeff. 👍🏾
It's a great deal at $899 but it's a steal at $799.
Go to accessoriesforless and buy refurbished and you get 3yr warranty for 899 4500h or 749 3600h.I always go there for best price and they are a authorized seller.
I've never bought from there before...
This was more like a World Wide Stereo advertisement than anything else.
about @4:58 if you check here www.denon.com/shop/denoneurope-avreceiver/avrx4500h you'll see different data (also dolby pro logic...)
i own the 2600h as my friend and reviewers biged it up. my issues are first i have to keep it on the older firmware as it doesnt work with my xbox one s if i update it when it comes to hdr and 4k.
even with the latest software, and the oldest, going into settings for audio and selecting options in the ref area sometimes kicks hdr off and i end up haveing to select a different hdmi and back again for it to return hdr.
lastly and i feel this is a big miss by denon, it doesnt work with my google plasy player as i cant send over by blue tooth my playlists. instead i have to use heos and creat new playlists. why in this day and age cant it just do both. let me cast via blue tooth my music on my android phone by google or any other player with blue tooth suport?
yes the sou7nd is awsome but its far from the perfect bug free experience and it isnt the exellent everyone says, not till it allws the basic us of bluetooth on a phone and not push heos and sort out the kind of bugs i asumed a 500 pound amp would not have.
part of me withes i tried the sony one but hey too late now.
voice operastions with my harmony work great with it and yeh sound is amazing. but it needs to be a smater device
just a warning all those google play playlists you have get ready to remake them on the dennon amps.
8/10 is a very fair rating as sound on my 2600h is great but the bugs and heos take at least 2 poiunts off. if i was a music lover id be giing this amp a 6/10, luckly im a movie guy so its a 8.. And heos works well when you realise to add a song to a playlist you have to open playlist tell it to play from phone, then make sure you press play now and replace que. then go to the song you want to add and play now. then save plaYLIST. ITS STUPID ITS ANOYING AND BECAUSE IM STUPID IT TOOK ME A FEW WEEKS TO CLICK ON HOW TO DO IT. WOULD HAVE BEEN MUCH BETTER IF I COULD HAVE JUST PAIRED MY PHONE to the denon amp and played my playlists or songs directly but dennon doesnt let you do that because oftheir badly made heos app. i know theres alot of denon fans out there and yes i never heard a bad review but be warned if like you you want songs from your phone to go directly to the denon amplifiers it wont . At their prices it should.
im saying this for al;l new buyers to be aware as no one else is saying this stuff and truthfully if all people do is tell you the positives denon whos 2600h i like alot is not gona impliment the missing basic features that in 2020 really shouldnt hell 2017 they really shouldnt be missing. its like buying a new sports car with no bluetooth or usb port.
I am at a crossroads between the 4500H and the newer 3700H. Using cx oled so just need earc really
That's a tough call. Do you need HDMI 2.1 on the AVR? If not, go with the X4500H - amzn.to/33ZqKHQ
@@TechnoDad I can run the hdmi through the TV and earc but not sure how good it is. I have new console pre ordered
I got my 4500h from World Wide Stereo. Great Guys.
Great video! I have a question. I’m running a 5.2.2 setup and was trying to figure out which height inputs should I use for 2 ceiling speakers (height 1 or height 2) that are above me and about a foot in front of me? They aren’t directly above me. Thanks.
christian caristo if you go on Denon’s website. Download the pdf user guide. It explains all that there. I had the same issue. But the digital manual instantly put me in the right direction👍🏻👍🏻
christian caristo they will also come under top middle left and top middle right. Top middle centre is the VOG channel. 👍🏻👍🏻 bollocks man, I never thought I could have just looked at mine where there plugged in. But the manual is always handy to have 👍🏻
Il look right now seen as I have my headphones on. Which happen to be Denon. 😂😂
Sorry it’s going to be different. You gave options for height 1 or 2, I have many heights on mine. User manual the best way buddy👍🏻
You didn’t talk about the thd which is 0.05 on 4500h and 0.08 on 3600h to me it means the amplifier section is not the same and models 4500, 6500, 8500 have better sound quality. My old denon avr3803 has also 0.05thd and he is renowned for its incredible sound quality. To me if i have the money i would go for the new X4700h
You are correct!!
Techno Dad i just notice x3700h does not have DDSC HD 32bits and the alpha processing 32 bits on multi channel. Something i have on my denon 3803. . The Noise signal ratio is also superior to 102 db instead of 100db. All of this indicates the x4700h has a more audiophile quality sound especially in stereo music
Haven't watched this yet. I had the same (internal) debate since the release of the 3600H. But 3 weeks ago I decided to go with the 4500H (Better price than the 3600H here in Canada.)
Now.....Should I watch this video or not?
No, probably not
@@TechnoDad Hahaha. It's ok. I liked the front panel of the 4500H better. So I felt good with your comment. I couldn't wait until a 4600 came out. And I didn't want to drop down in power from the unit I was replacing.
Go for the 4500 eventhough short of Auro material... Auromatic upmix is the best for stereo, 5.1 or 7.1 source...
Auro up-mixing is pretty stellar!
I use the upmixer for most of my music. But still desperate for native content here in the uk. There just isn’t any. At all.
@@Test-Pilot1194 The only Auro3D Full HD Blu-ray I managed to buy was Pixels... I am still hunting for Spider-Man Homecoming with Auro3D....till today... 😭
azlanpermatahati same here buddy. I’ve almost given up on Auro 3D. But it’s ok for music.
You just solved a huge problem for me by showing the rear part of the receiver.
the 3600H does now have worldwide voltage. it's 110 volts which will only work in the US.
but X4500H already has 110-230 volts input.
if you live in the UK you need that 220. so that was something that I had a hard time finding.
thanks.... I think X4500 is the better choice. not due to the voltage of course. because there no difference between the X4500H and X4700H. the 4500H would be the better choice.
great video.
I’m glad I could help Sam! There are a couple of differences between the X4500 and X4700. Most notably the one 8K (4K120Hz) port on the X4700.
@@TechnoDad I just got a Samsung Q95T which has 4K120Hz.
the price difference between the X4500H and 4700H does not justify paying an additional 500$ for basically the same receiver. if you go to Amazon you'll see that the 4500H got a firmware update that supports 8k. and the price is 1199$.
nevertheless, I thank you for your help.
I’d rather get the Denon X4400h for a cheaper price than both and have Auro 3D and better processing. IMAX enhances is meh. Either way, 4500H is my winner as it’s better built for potential separates option
Good call!