Modi, France & Scorpenes: Navy’s late tryst with submarines, dated, diminishing fleet, way out
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- Опубліковано 16 чер 2024
- There is a buzz that an agreement for 3 more Scorpene-class submarines may be finalised when PM Modi visits Paris later this week as guest of honour for Bastille Day. Six submarines of this class have already been built in India by Mazagon Dock Shipbuilders as part of a deal with France’s Naval Group. In Ep 1268 of Cut The Clutter, Editor-in-Chief Shekhar Gupta talks about the Indian Navy’s submarine fleet - how it began and where it stands, the delayed Project 75 India to build submarines with the latest tech, and more private players coming into this very specialised field.
PS: At the end, find a short segment on why Indian test cricket is in a slump.
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Shekarji I am a already subscribed via RAZOR PAY every month... I think I used my office email... to just to get the subscribing to
I am paying via PhonePe monthly 500 and just now I got receipt from.. I got confirmation from RAZOUR Pay...
Sir. Now I wondering.. the razors pay monthly money going to The printmedia or somewhere .. wherever it will surely be 'discovered'
Meanwhile please my subscription.. ok fuck it leave it...
India has nukes as a deterrent there is nothing else to add to that, India needs to tackle poverty which the government tries to swap under the carpet, the Chinese did that first other thing comes later,
The difference is China doesn't have the problem of elections,
Completely agree with Shekhar regarding the state of the Indian cricket team. Looks like some individuals and their egos are taking precedence over the team. India should not become everyone's favourite team to play against in the test cricket finals.
Paris Olympic 2024. I don't mind cricket.
From Top gun to Red October, SG's CTC has come a long way!
Proud of Mazagon Dock❤. Believe it’s history is way back when it started as a small dry dock in year 1774!
What we need is Modified " Rubis " class submarine with help of LNT. NAVAL group
Rubis is smallest nuclear submarine. It's slightly older design, but modified one will be a great help for Indian Navy.
Sir AIP is going to be fit with last Scorpene class submarine INS Kalvari accquired through Project 75i, Please check this and post a correction. this tech is not going to be waste.
Great episode, sir. It’s great to see India securing its maritime borders and enforcing laws in order around its territory, which is much needed, and has been missing in all 60-70 years. India in general needs a solid watertight fool proof safety policy in every which department, whether its armed services, submarines, ships, or even general day-to-day civilian life like your home, electricity, etc. fire safety, etc. it is the utter disregard for rules, lack of discipline and lack of compassion for others lives, which is causing these accidents even among the general population.
The current crop of Cricket team, excluding Ashman and maybe perhaps one or two seam bowlers nobody would find a place in either England, Australia, South Africa, or New Zealand teams - they’re that bad. Time to can top 5 and start afresh. Most of these ipl types are only goodwnuff for 2 hour entertainment and not classy test matches.
Apart from defence, French companies are also involved in other strategic sectors like railways/urban transport (Alstom) and the hi-tech supercomputing mission (Atos).
I did read AIP propulsion system from DRDO was being fitted in to kalavari class submarines. Thanks for the video and information
DRDO AIP is yet to be tested. It is said that AIP will be tested on one of the existing submarine and then it will be fitted in 3 newly ordered Kalvari class.
@@atharvzemse6599 2 AIP systems are being made by L&T, they will be tested on 2 Subs and then rest of the subs will get them.
Mr. Gupta, please prepare a video on West Bengal polls crisis 🙏🏽 xo
He will not; he's been a long-time Didi sympath
Wow what a time to upload at 1 AM
sir please create a playlist of cut the clutter in the channel
so enjoyable to listen you sir❤🙏
Nice to hear about MVC Samant. The book "Operation X" which he co authored gives a detailed account of the Indian Navy's less talked about Novel warfare in the East and is a must read.
Indeed. The book is beautifully written with details of the secret training of Mukti Bahani and deserted soldiers from Pak Navy.
The role played by these people immensely reduced the Pak Navy's operational capabilities, especially damage they caused with the use of limpet mines to ships standing at harbour.
Would recommend people to read this book to learn about this lesser known part of 1971 war.
You should have covered 360 degree on Indian Navy's role in 1971 war. Navy was great differentiator and played a sublime role. Counting only losses make it one sided.
Operation Trident.
Shekhar Gupthaji, I am D. Sri Nagesh from Hyderabad. One question and doubt about this episode. You missed mentioning of Russian acquired INS Chakra submarine which is nuclear propelled submarine in the episode. Is it planned or a miss?
Is it possible to hear some sports narration at dll from you? You are good at your job. How will you look if you wear a sports lens sometimes?
Happy Birthday Sunil !! Wishing him good health and happiness.
You can say Gavaskar and Tendulkar are two sides of a very rare and precious coin that Indian cricket followers were fortunate to call it our own. Both scored heavily in Test and Domestic cricket...have similar stats. Gavaskar showed his peers and future cricketers how to face and score against super quick fast bowlers of his era who are still revered as the greatest fast bowlers of all time (for India, Chandra was probably the quickest at the time !!). He was also an excellent player of spin ....cannot recall any other opening batsman in history who could play pace and spin equally well. Technically he was too good ..he knew where his off stump was and knew which balls to leave and which ones to play. He could bat all on kinds of wickets .. those that offered bounce and seam (like in Australia), seam and swing (like in England and NZ) and the medium bounce and seam (like WI).
His famous off the toes flick to the boundaries and on/off drives are eteched in my memories.👍👍
Dear Shekhar Gupta, in the context of this episode, I recently saw a movie called Charlie Wilson's War starring Tom Hanks. It is a truly fascinating account of how a junior congressman from Texas assisted the mujahideen in their fight against the Soviet Union. The catalyst was Pakistan and Zia. Its amusing that a failing/failed nation has so much power and influence on a super power. I'm wondering how much influence a true and emerging superpower would have. It would be great to have your thoughts on this subject in a future episode.
Read the book by the same name. It is factual. The movie glosses over numerous facts to make it more entertaining for the average American who doesn't GaF about geopolitics. After that read the Grand Chessboard by Zbignew Brezinski, who is one of the godfathers of the Neo-cons who run the deep state. If you don't want to read either , I will give you the TLDR : a true and emerging superpower would have Zero/Zilch/Nada/0 influence on USA.
Perhaps they are not the failing nation that we like to believe they are. And maybe we are not quite the upcoming superpower that we like to say we are.
It's always the Bewakoof in the room that thinks he's the smartest.
Some experts say that Indian Navy is the strongest arm of Indian defence viz-a-viz other countries (For, e.g. Indian Navy better matches neck-to-neck against China than, say, the Airforce and Army). Some experts also chastise the lack of a clearly defined role for the Indian Navy in the national security set-up. We need a modern streamlined Navy to counter external threats.
Yep the upgradation has been stupendous my brother is in the navy rn. He says that a lot can still be changed
It's the weakest
Sir you should also talk about indian football...it needs all the spotlight from media
The last time I was this early….Ajit Pawar was taking oath to be the deputy CM….wait what??
SG please upload it by 11 at least.
It will be more helpful if you provide subtitles.
I hope the Indian govt gets a great deal for the French subs. Don't forget, French-Australia relationship took a big hit when Australia broke a contract to build French subs by going with USA-UK consortium to build nuclear subs instead of French diesel subs. Yes nuclear s7bs are very expensive but are said to be superior. So if diesel subs can do what India wants to achieve with them, they better negotiate a great price.
Thé problème with nucléaire subs, is that it require a high level of technologie and maturation for, thé contry who use it, and it's need a civile nuclare park for thé fuel of thé subs, it isn't the case of Australia.
Batting averages - these down due to recent indian pitches which due to the world test championship rankings
The submarine fleet should be named after the various chola kings they were first to have a navy
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So the six scorpenes that we got from France aren't AIPs ?
Why till inspite of best minds we are unable to design and construct submarine
India should focus more on Submarine because they are more survivable and they can be stealthy so there is also element of menatal warfare.
We need pump jet propulsion tech from france for our ssn. Maybe scorpene deal will help🙄
In Congress rule Anthony saying there is no money for defence purchase... From where Modi is getting Money for all this....
There is no giant drain called Gandhi Family any more.
@@tvm73836the biggest change in the previous and current government is army equipments
Not even one day goes without thinking how worst congress party was for the country
Shift in priorities. Increase in taxes and lower and more targeted social spending along with reduced government recruitment.
@@akshatprakash871 Very good points. Apparently targeted subsidies, partially thanks to Aadhaar, has helped tremendously by reducing pilferage and wastage.
The current list of players seems to be focusing on brand building, on-screen antics rather than quality and consistency..agree or not IPL is partially to blame !!
Ever since SC messed up with our cricket it's down the road all the way. Thank them!
SG would have been director of the Top Gun movie.
You missed sinking of PNS Gazi
Shekharji : Aakash chopra is one of the finest cricket commentators
Me : Thank you for your input as a cricketing expert. We will not be needing your services further. You may retire from this field.
Shekar, though you have reduced the drag in your presentation, there is still a long way to go. If you reduce this, viewership will multiply.
He is such a bore and monotonous voice is big impediment
Shekhar Gupta is wrong. The 30 year plan was modified to make 18 conventional subs and 6 SSNs and not SSBNs. The SSBN programme is the ATV which is separate from the 30 year plan.
When will u talk about WB mayhem
Omg, my class 5th teacher looked like the scorpion fish.
Jai hind. Jai bharat
What happens to atma nirbhar scheme...u did many video on them too .praising lot
Initial part was good. Cricket is too over hyped sport and is losing its charm. Most people I know have stopped watching IPL now even on TV
Alpha Defence says 3 scorpene submarine deal is confirmed.
alpha defence is also a maha chutiya
Why we are focusing on conventional submarines, we need ssbn, and ssn
More than half of submarines are almost 30 yrs old, India needs to up its ssk and ssn game.. Navy has always been forefront of indenization..Warship design bureau should start immediate ssk programme, if we start today maybe 10 yrs later we can have an avg. Submarine, 20 yrs later maybe a good submarine which can compete with other countries
Dear #Shekargupta Ji, how about inviting Mr Gavaskar to speak as a guest on one of your talk show ? Will be nice if you give it due consideration :-)
I think in the name of a country’s safety and security you shouldn’t discuss these things on media.
Disappointment for me was that we GIFTED the submarine of all countries to mayanmar.
Sad
What about PNS Ghazi being damaged with the mines we set up near Vishakapatnam...you seem to miss a few facts here
That wa# in 1971. I was m3ntion8ng 1965 here. Thanks for writing in…Shekhar
We have huge respect for u plz Stop germen shepherd Tati he don't know anything not even 1% compare to u
Shepherd bhai ko leftists baap maane lagin hain😂
Forget that wretched game of cricket.
Only 5-6 good country teams play that game repeatedly with each other and still india is struggling 😴
The problem is that Indian cricket team selection is still beset by a colonial mindset...carry with the old guard until they themselves stop playing on stilts !!! Firstly modern cricketers are tuning their game to suit IPL needs. Not sure how many of them even play or interested in playing Ranji trophy..the traditional breeding ground for test cricket. Selection is still old style ...players have to play for a certain period before they can be selected. With so many IPL players, why can't they fast track them in to test cricket and see who can adapt ..after all we have a large bench. Same issue with fast bowlers...why not pick the ones who have good pace and make them learn test cricket on the job !!!
As one can see test cricket has changed...teams are making big scores or getting out for very low scores...there is no consistency as few have the patience and skill to hang in there and play the way test cricket used to be played.
Solution...go with the times...bleed more IPL players..more all rounders ...and a few traditional batters if you can find some or fast track some from domestic cricket.
FAST TRACK PLAYERS AND CHURN THEM IF THEY DON'T PERFORM ....IS THE WAY TO GO !!!
subs is better than carriers in most of them
I only have one question for sunny sir why to do an ad of pan masala and spoils his own legendary status 😕
IPL had a huge impact on mindset of Indian batters when they play test
SG, riots that was orchestrated by RSS in France was not covered by you as well as the war that RSS is supporting between Russia and Ukraine.
Sir you did not comment on impact of IPL on the performance of our players.Is the decline in our batters'performance due to too much cricket in IPL s?
Shekar gupta made 5 episodes on Manipur but 0 on bengal poll violence.does he hate Bengalis somuch or uc commie bhadraloks order him to not to do?
No that’s because manipur is bjp ruled and bengal is ruled by begum manta
Uc and commie? Your comment is filled with contradiction.
Because Bengal is not BJP ruled state. Foxy Gupta never discuss about it
What was the reason behind Britain owing India money at the time of Independence?
Shekhar' continuous hand movements while talking are a huge distraction
How America takes over India:
🔹Tech/services jobs for the 1%
🔹Religion and nationalism for the 99%😢😢😢😢
Mr.Shekar Gupta, You make CTC and NI on all and sundry topics. One topic you have studiously avoided is the pre-poll and post-poll violence which regularly happens in Bengal. There has been so much violence in Bengal during the last couple of weeks. But you have been maintaining a thundering silence about this topic.
I recall that since 2019, your viewers have been requesting you to do videos tracing the history of violence in West Bengal politics, dating back to the period of mid 1960s, when Naxalbari rebillion started and late sixties for two decades, violence reigned supreme in Bengal. This is not unhyphenated journalism. Your secular biases are stopping you from talking about a State, which according to you is ruled by a "secular" party.
It’s a BJP planned violence to bring in President’s Rule and eventually get the Governor to take over the state administration
Even I requested the same but none of the journalists speaks about such incidents.. sad 😢
I may be an exception but I stopped watching the episode when SG turned from submarines to cricket. The game may be a national obsession but national security is of much more importance.
❤❤❤❤❤...
Interesting topic after those crooky politicians
Too much of T20 cricket is destabilizing quality of Indian cricketers.
Should not venture into defence related topics.😂. Its 18 SSKs + 6 SSNs, not 6 SSBNs. The sagarika project was the submarine launched missile project.
The biggest reason for decline in our test cricket batting averages is the advent of T20s & IPL.
BCCI must prioritise now and earmark our top players for Test cricket only.
IPL will destroy our Ranji as well as as Test Cricket in long run
Whenever I see this kind of episodes, I always wonder-- How much was spent (on De fence) by non BJP Govts. in each of their tenures from 1947.. I want to know how much was actually spent on procuring new arms (internally/externally) by each government .. I want their amounts conversion to as on today(or this year)
also, Defence procurements are riddled in commissions/kickbacks as most are big ticket items. Politicians and Babus mint big money and thus never a push towards making local.
India is such a funny country you can't go around the world buying weapons of different countries and expect to be experts in using them and not to say the cost of maintaining each one of them it will be a logistics nightmare lol
Dear Shekhar sir, This government is spending so much on upgrading Defence, Hard Core Infra, Social issues like toilets, housing, colleges etc and feeding a large population for free,,, please do a CTC on earnings v/s expenditure on these during each government,,, will come to know what exactly is the Modi government doing, and what the predecessors did
Wait...so ghazi attack never happened?
@shekhar ji, when are you doing a show on the law and order situation in Mamta didi's raj ? or will you conveniently ignore it since she is "secular" ? Even one "peaceful" person dies elsewhere, there will be a full post mortem on Modi and his entire govt. But "seculars" , they cant do anything wrong ?? can they ?
In a stunning display of insensitivity and disregard for the plight of his own people, Prime Minister Narendra Modi has chosen to jet off to France while the northern part of India grapples with devastating floods and its citizens suffers under the burden of inflationary pressures. This callous act showcases a complete lack of leadership and highlights Modi's priorities, which clearly do not include the well-being and welfare of the Indian population.
While homes are being destroyed, lives are being lost, and countless individuals are left stranded in the wake of catastrophic floods, Prime Minister Modi has shamelessly chosen to abandon his responsibilities and leave the nation in the lurch. His actions reek of a leader who is disconnected from the suffering of his people, demonstrating a shocking lack of empathy and a failure to grasp the severity of the situation.
Adding insult to injury, the Indian economy is plagued by soaring inflation rates that have pushed the prices of essential commodities beyond the reach of the common man. Yet, instead of addressing this pressing issue and formulating measures to alleviate the burden on the struggling populace, Prime Minister Modi has opted to prioritize his international image over the economic stability of his own country. His decision to prioritize personal interests over the welfare of the nation only exposes his incompetence and inability to address the concerns that genuinely affect the lives of ordinary Indians.
A true leader is one who stands by their people during times of crisis, guiding them through adversity and providing them with a sense of hope. However, Prime Minister Modi has chosen to shirk his responsibilities and neglect his duties by indulging in a lavish overseas visit. This absence of leadership during a time when his countrymen are crying out for help is a glaring testament to Modi's lack of compassion, integrity, and dedication to the well-being of the Indian people.
One cannot help but question PM Modi's priorities. While he claims to champion the cause of the common man and promises to uplift the nation, his actions speak louder than his words. By gallivanting abroad while his own people suffer, he reveals that his primary concern lies not in alleviating the suffering of the Indian masses but in bolstering his personal reputation on the international stage. It is a display of self-interest at the expense of the nation, a betrayal of the trust placed in him by the people.
First veiw
Jai Hindustani Arm Forces zindabad
What about Manipur..300+ churches burned.
How so many churches were built in Manipur.How Christian population increased at alarming pace I the past 6 decades.Hho is responsible.
@@nampallyramesh9490 give a call to your divine master and ask him.
No one is addressing the "Elephant in the Room" - has Test Cricket died somewhere along the way and we forgot to bury it and left it rotting on the road to stink?
It is very obvious, none of our players want to injure themselves in a Test match and ruin their money bags in IPL.
Have a meeting with players of the world and their ruling bodies to decide the fate of Test Cricket. It is not financially viable anymore.
Funny that there was utter silence on the depleting ,diminishing subs and aircrafts for 75 years. Glad you woke up to reality. Not sure how you look at urself in the mirror and sleep peacefully as a journalist that people trusted for years.
New corruption opportunity…
India only delays, delays and more delays. No wonder China is way ahead.
buy buy buy
Tala kara chopi
Since the 1970s DRDO has always been behind. In 1975 as a fresh BTech out of IIT designed for them a plant in H’Bad to mfr. Superalloys ( to build jet and rocket engines ) when went back in 2007 at Dr Kalam’s invitation MiDhaNi was working just fine but still no jet engines ( Kaveri ) from GTRE in B’lore ! So have to get GE engines from here. Key problems w/ Indian defense, low IQ & courage, too many excuses to explain failures. DRDO full of South Indians w/ no urgency. Need to create regional competition to DRDO monopoly. Also need an Institute for Strategy & Planning. China too far ahead, have to develop strategy for asymmetric warfare
As if India is any good in other formats ie, limited over formats. Let's admit it for once, our cricketers are good for nothing when it comes to international cricket,they go big in Paytm trophies against West Indies or Sri Lanka. They are pretty good at monetising the absurd cricket obsession of Indians with their ads and IPL
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KHANGRESS HARAMI TOOLKIT
Imagine RAFALE loded INS VIKRANT at Pakistan sea coast 🔥
Imagine only one PKDF17 awaiting to Welcome.
🤔🤔🤔
@@goldenshamrock7267 but you don't have them...😆 even if u have very difficult to target a ship without GPS...😆
@@ivihari ... have or not have difficult to hide her.
😂😂😂🤣🤣
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As far as cricket the IPL matters now so don't want colonials test record as when IPL booms the the economy as well. Please understand.
"Batters" I was wondering what this term is. Then I recognised its the gender neutral terminology.
But why using gender neutral term when you are specifically talking about male cricket team ?🤔
PNS ghazi created history by sinking itself.
Indian batting at this point is horrible. Virat and Rohit I feel should not even be part of T20 or tests. For no reason should we keep them
A sickular person who plays with selective data😂😂😂😂
Can SG please stop using words like "sex appeal" for aircraft instead use words like awesomeness or exciting or anything from the thesaurus.
Lighten up! It’s common parlance unless you are 95 years old.
@@tvm73836 doesn’t mean that it can’t offend people and you don’t have to be 95 for that
@thecustompropper1279 offence is taken, not given. Stop taking offence.
@@IndianArma buddy, why is my comment titillating your balls? It’s my opinion and my offence to take. Why do you care? Just go somewhere else
Traditionally soldiers would refer Combat Aircraft and Ships as ‘She’. Fighter pilots would paint a beautiful female model on their combat aircraft during WWII
Shekhar is a frustrated person
Cricket,. Yawn. Skip.
Time India moved on from this dreadful colonial hangover, and focused instead on *real international* sports. Good CTC otherwise!
Swedon 🇸🇪 is the superpower in submarine industry . France 👎