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All I gotta say is, I wouldn't mind giving a year of my life to Shekhar Gupta so he can continue to amass and distribute political gyaan about India so insightfully. And I'm not even Indian.
I am surprised that while talking of Congress party, the video shows the image of Congress(I) and hand symbol. Both did not exist at that time. Also, the more disturbing thing is that by doing this you are attaching the founding fathers of India with today's Congress, grossly incorrect again
Congress at that time was not just a political party. Almost everybody baring a few hardcore socialists who wanted to participate in India's freedom struggle in a non violent way wanted to be a part of Congress. It was the voice of people at that time. It was not just a political party but an instrument of Indians against the British.
Frankly, until Narasimha Rao's leadership of the party, it was Congres(I), where "I" signified Indira! The original Congress died a miserable death by splitting into many factions, Thanks to Mrs.Gandhi's over-ambition. Indira's faction took many forms before becoming Congress(I) in 1980. It was rechristened as INC by Narasimha Rao in 1993. SG has always been part of Sonia's coterie and we can not simply expect him to stick to facts.
@Ramesha Krsiah Have you read Mahabharata? It is filled with sex, alcohol, wars and promiscuity. Go and give your fake purinatical lectures on Indian and Hindu culture to someone who is brought up in RSS sakha. Also drinking alcohol is not against Hindu culture. Go and search about "soma rasa" a hallucinating drink which helped rishis in writing vedas and they have mentioned it in your Vedas. And don't even get me started on Kamasutra and hundreds of Indian temples with sexual imageries. Stop peddling fake news. What you are touting as Hindu culture is wrong on every level.
6:15 SG - you say you are not judging BJP and RSS’ reading of history 7:10 BJPs reading of history is a belief in folklore. How do you reconcile the two statements? Try hard as you might to remain neutral, your Anti-BJP views slip thru.
I'll never keep Jinnah in the same level of Gandhi, Nehru, Patel, Bose and the other great leaders of India's freedom struggle. Jinnah is way below than all of them. It's an insult to the greats like Gandhi, Nehru, Patel and Bose if we hyphenate them with Jinnah.
Did he go to jail for the purpose of nation building. Or did he parachute in at an opportune time ? That he was initially a part of the congress is not denied.
It's unfortunate that for the independence of India, The sacrifices of Abul kalam Azad ignored one who was the youngest congress president and two-time president of congress and sacrificed 1/3 life in jail
See it is very natural. When you win freedom by sacrifice , by fighting you know it's worth. Nehru & Jinnah both rich & British collaborator got the power without much effort . Gandhi a mass leader became the villain of the partition . The nationalist finally had enough of his nonsense & finished his non stop tamasha . The British hated him , the Conhress used him & threw him to the dustbin . Pakistan & India two fledgling states both lead by two leaders most suitable for compromise .So began the journey , which faltered in every step it took . India a coward state and insulted from the beginning by Pakistan, China the west . Pakistan a frontline proxi state of the west now china to keep India bleeding .
This is as good as it gets. Thanks SG ji and your team for the research and thoughtfulness. And many thanks for de cluttering but not disrespecting your audience’s intelligence by dumbing it.
I am just amazed by the length to which Shekhar Gupta has gone using all the resources of print to make us believe only those archives which support his point of view and plainly dismisses the other archives which support other point of view. Unbiased journalism??
Uncontested. Nehru dropped Sardar Patel from cabinet and all party posts before Sardar died. Facts have nothing to do with ideology. My video on UA-cam on the blundering Nehru ua-cam.com/video/mS86JWlo_eo/v-deo.html
Exactly in your blind faith against non lutyens you are not looking into facts. Please revisit the video. Shekhar is just trying to impose which Mountbatten at 80's might be misjudging
This is one of the most beautiful episodes of CTC. This is the essence of this show - cutting the clutter. And a lot of clutter I believe has been cut within 28mins. The research that you guys put in to come up with this quality of content in a matter of 24hrs, is incredible. More power to this kind of journalism. Especially given the times we live in.
Only reason we have clutter is because our history has been written by fraudulent historians who knew people will seek to explore later. As heroes the portrayed in history are turning to be the Zeros. 😉
Excellent edition of CTC. But there is a small discrepancy in video. At 9:47 you talk about V.P.Menon but visually show picture Krishna Menon. Looks like your editing team got confused which Menon you were talking about.
Often we think that either it is black or it is white. We should remember that sometimes people cannot be demarcated on such narrow binaries. People at different times and situations have different shades. Maybe we should also consider grey as a shade and then form opinions.
Dear problem is we have lots of Grey that has been presented as White not black by our intellectual historians, who studied Bharat in London 😳what a tragedy 😭
my thoughts exactly! All labeled as best this that. And even if this one fact might be right why create a narration that Nehru love Patel..He clearly didnt and many facts show that.
he was initially a moderate but with time got disenchanted with what he was doing. he gave 50 years of his life for freedom struggle pr last m goo kha liya.
Mr. Megalomaniac‘s prime ministership was the beginning of decades of continued slavery for India. We have not yet recovered from the treachery of Nehru and his traitorous descendants.
somebody said it, dear do read this article for different view on Nehru m.hindustantimes.com/chandigarh/nehru-s-nabha-jail-ordeal-lost-in-past/story-EBrTBPS8u8UPMHndqThAjP.html
The fact of the matter is history is written by winners. Who were the winners in these 70 years we all know. It doesn’t matter if Jaishankar or Guha is right, the truth does lie somewhere in between. I for one don’t believe Nehru was innocent.. what he did I am sure he did for his chair and his daughter, but he was a decent prime minister till he screwed up on China and Kashmir. But I do believe he was prejudiced against Patel and Bose. He was selfish and entitled. Unfortunately that’s his legacy that’s blatantly visible in his descendants.
Very well said. It is nearly impossible for common people like us to determine who is right since each side either shows or suppresses facts based on their convenience. If we look back at the decisions taken by Nehru and the way things turned out for his family and India as a society, he definitely is not a innocent person. He can at best be judged as a power hungry, manipulative and incapable leader whose main objective was to gain power and ensure the same remained with his family. One can always argue that hind sight is 20/20 but I would consider one as a good leader who has 20/20 vision to start with. Gupta ji is typical Nehruvian with true Nehru qualities. Since 2019 election results he realized Modi bashing is not going to work so he changed his style now to push agenda’s in the garb of being neutral. He mentions about what our future generations will be able to trace about Vajpayee-Advani or Modi-Amit shah smartly pushing the idea that they are not educated, but no mention of Manmohan-Sonia, Sonia-PV Narasimharao. How and why after so many defeats Congress party still clings on to the Gandhi family. Amazing!! Regarding jail term, can the jail condition of Nehru/Gandhi etc be compared to jail conditions of the revolutionaries who were brutally tortured and lived in inhuman condition?
The fact remains that Nehru was not elected by the Congress party or the Constitutent Assembly. Like most prime ministers in Indian history after 1947, they were imposed by outside forces, each with its own agenda. it is a fact that all the regional Congress committees, who knew a lot better about the abilities and qualifications of various actors in 1946, better than us in 2020, not even one voted for Nehru. Nehru was imposed upon a new country by Gandhi, who in an earlier episode resigned from the Congress, because Bose was elected against his wishes. That is the truth of the Gandhi version of democracy, which says "do as i tell you" , not "think for yourself". Both Shastri and Indira were imposed by a group of five, called the Syndicate, who had their own agenda. Was Rajiv or Sonia elected by the party? If anyone disagreed, like the way Sharad Pawar found out, you will be thrown out of the party, into the wilderness. The way tickets are distributed, compare it by the way, how USA works. Which is why so many indians/hindus have been able to get elected. India is not and has never been a functional democracy. It is a manipulated oligarchy. Sonia owns Congress, the yadav family owns SP, Mayawati owns BSP, Mamata owns TC, Jayalalitha owned AIADMK etc etc. Do you still call our country a democracy.?
Modi owns BJP ? Go on. Bro that is how all the large functioning democracies work, with an influential leader. Just look at the power Modi holds today.
Question: So it is speculated "Patel wasn't healthy to become PM". But he was just fit enough to become Home Minister and much more capable of uniting the country. How does that make sense?
But that's a fact! Patel and Nehur and Gandhi. All were very very well read and were foreign graduates in law. In comparison to anybody in power today, they were atleast far beyond educated.
@@gaffemind3440 absolutely true my friend! No doubt about what you said. Education making a differece or not is a debate. But who is more educated or less educated is a fact. And that's what was just quoted in the video. He did not say who was better, he just quoted a fac
fascinating to learn the relationship bw Patel and Nehru. Its called an adult relationship which no leader today understands. Their integrity, commitment, and vision for the country despite stark differences is nowhere to be found today. Worrying!
Nehru not including Sardar Patel's name in the list of cabinet ministers is clear sign of eternal inferiority complex of Congress leadership, Isn't it strange that a person who(Nehru) got ZERO absolutely Zero votes from party members across the country
That's the beauty of history sir. It is open for interpretation. What amounts to heresy during reconstruction of history is when facts are hidden or twisted or when personalities are treated as sacrosanct monuments not to be questioned, all to suit someone's idea of truth.
Sir with due Respect , we did understand the facts and dates but "Action speaks louder than word". Mr MB can not be more clearer than this when he said this. The claim that being made by person like Mr Guha that Nehru allow dissent is just fell flat. He did not include Mr Patel because he is not his loyalist.
Umm did you even watch the video? Also, answer me this. If Nehru did not allow any kind of dissent in his party, then how did the Congress manage landslide victories for the first 3 general elections during his tenure? Your assumption that the Congress of that time was a single-minded party being led by an authoritarian Nehru simply falls flat if we look at how people from such diverse backgrounds, the poor, the rich, the socialists, the capitalists, hindus, sikhs, christians, muslims etc all voted for one party, the INC
Dear Shekhar you are right about what you mention . But you still miss the point , initially Nehru omitted Patel's name. Later he added his name on Mountbatten's persuasion. Read the book " Witness to an Era by Frank Moraes "
Sad some people still not mature enough to understand difference of opinion. One of the big reason why we are such a vibrant democracy is that same difference of opinion among the builders of modern india whether Gandhi, Nehru, Patel, Ambedkar, Bose, Bhagat singh Etc.
Thankyou Shekhar...really appreciate the effort behind de cluttering such complex topics. Editing team, what’s the rush to put music and graphics even before he has finished speaking?
Such great men of that era! Although accusations on Nehruji has been cleared, we see no Nehru's competence in Rahul Gandhi and thus no support for him. :)
Oh i teared up on this cut the clutter...Shekharji thanks so much...we live in times where facts make you emotional...so much of lies around... Cut the clutter should get Magsayaay award....
One interesting anecdote that comes out of this (unneeded) controversy- Mountbatten & the British Deep State were also commenting on the Constitution of the Cabinet of 'Independent India'.
“If Gandhi had not intervened, Patel would have been the first de facto Premier of India, in 1946-7…. The Sardar was ‘robbed of the prize’ and it rankled deeply.” This was from a Print article only. Perhaps you forgot to mention this point deliberately theprint.in/opinion/jawaharlal-nehrus-election-as-indias-first-prime-minister-wasnt-unanimous/34519/
Conveniently SG did not talk about Nehru getting 0 votes in PCC elections for PM post. So much for the ‘factual’ history. I don’t disagree with the facts he presents, but what a story leaves our tells you as much he includes.
Please add some corrections in an addendum : Drop Jinnah from the list of leaders who courted arrest. You have shown Krishna Menon in place of VP Menon in the video.
Thank you Shekhar sir for enlightening us about this period in our important history. I commend you and your team for all the research and making these topical and relevant videos! Excellent
What about the INC preference for Sardar Patel as first PM? It is said that Nehru persuaded Gandhi that he was a better choice than Patel and then Gandhi over ruled the INC and pushed through Nehru?
Nehru did have an unfortunate tendency to have personal biases, loyalties override meritocracy, not just in ministerial appointments but all over - including securing plum diplomatic positions for his acolytes, relatives etc.
Well, this is ridiculous. It's easily debunked by the fact that Syama Prasad Mukherjee, R. K. Shanmukham Chetty and BR Ambedkar went on to hold important posts even though not being from the congress. History is open to interpretation, interpretation of facts; not preconceived motions distorted by political ideology of the present.
Having a clause in the constitution that an electorate need not have a formal educational degree has been the bane of the cabinet. If you want to see a congregation of idiots, that's where you need to go.
@@anbee8127 being literate and educated are very different things. literate just means to be able to read and write. we need literate leaders but formal educate does not qualify them to know the problems of the communities they belong to, be able to lead people and exercise the power and responsibilities that come with the job in an honest and corruption-free manner. Don't know why people think that we don't have enough educated people in the administration.
No that’s a lie. That election was for the post of Congress president and not the Prime Minister. Dwarka Prasad Mishra who was a member of committee said that if the election was for prime minister, they would have voted for Nehru.
Yes Patel was chosen, but sadly for India Gandhi backed Nehru and rest we ought to decipher on why Patel was happy working with same man who kept him out of PM post.
@@rish517 it is a lie...... President only always become the PM too especially in congress..... Then why RaGa was made President of Congress party? Nehru was not the preferred candidate for PM of India.... It was Sardar Patel....
@@krishnakumarbs4800 Nope. It wasn't the case. JB Kripalani was INC president when Nehru was elected as PM, Kamaraj was INC president when LB Shastri and Indira Gandhi were elected as PM, Sonia Gandhi was INC president when Manmohan Singh was elected as PM. Party president is not the requirement to become PM, otherwise, JB Kripalani, K. Kamaraj, Jayaprakash Narayan, Advani, Sonia Gandhi, and Amit Shah would've been our PM instead of Nehru, LB Shastri and Indira Gandhi, Morarji Desai, Vajpayee, Manmohan Singh, and Modi as our PMs. If you know some basic 8th-grade civics, at least you should've knowledge that PM is elected by Members of the Parliament (MPs) not some random 15 member committee which literally has no power. India had general election in 1946 to elect interim government and Nehru was the PM since 1946. INC president and Congress working committe (CWC) are always been elected by a "thousand member" AICC since 1885 and up till now. PCC didn't exist till 1937 and they literally have no power at any decision making. Did you sleep through your civis because your facts are filled with nothing but What's App memes.
Wrong I am following him for very long, he is a commie who was supporting congie during the first BJP tenture after the second one he was so shocked that he toned down as a neutral "journalist" but now as BJP lost two major states he is also showing his true colors, the more they show they are sincere the more you should do your own research, however if you get the politics out the guy is pretty informative.
Patel himself was involved in the selection of the cabinet. Nehru and Patel were both equals and v.p.menon was just a bureaucrat who got to read a letter here or there. Just a cooked-up controversy by the lady to sell her book.
It is an attempt to defend Nehru. Why Patel memorial lectures were a low key affair during Nehru lndira regime . Nehrus stand on Kashmir was quite different from Patel which was borne out by justice Meharchand Mahajan who was a senior government functionary in J and K Maharajas government.Not to forget attempt to sideline Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose by Nehru .
It is a well known fact Nehru vs Patel. It was more of Nehru vs Patel rather than Patel vs Nehru. Patel was not much for power. He was more interested in a United and Democratic India while Nehru was keen on power. For Nehru Prime Minister's seat was very attractive. Some analysts or politicians say he fought for the country and was in jail for quite a number of years. He did his duty as a citizen towards the country. It is nothing great he has done. No one asked him to go to jail for the country. He wanted to serve his country he did it.
One of the more cluttered cut-the-clutter episodes. I think the intent was right, to give perspective to Nehru-Patel divide but I think it can be better. Firstly, using hearsay (he said -she said) is a big mistake. Just because something someone said is in an archive does not make it a fact. Similarly if someone's granddaughter says she heard her grandfather utter something does not make it right either. The only items that hold water would be the letters Nehru and Patel themselves wrote. You showed Patel's letter where Patel says he respects Nehru but no evidence for the other way around. No letter to say Nehru respects Patel. Lack of evidence does not prove that Nehru did not respect Patel. But the legs on which this episode was conceived were perhaps missing. I would instead go by Nehru and Patel's actions rather than hearsay and essays by other people. We have too many so called historians who sell their own opinion as history in this country.
@@manisha3971 He was one of the people actively making the list and yes he was also in the list as Nehru wrote a letter to him formally inviting him and calling him the strongest pillar of cabinet.
The issues concerning Nehru go far beyond Patel-Nehru relationship. Fundamental question is whether Nehru stood for India at all? Substantial portion of his decisions until the ignominous defeat at the hands of China in 1962 lend credence to this doubt. Recently, I read Air Vice Marshal Arjun Subramaniam's book "India's Wars", a military history of wars fought by India between 1947 to 1971. This soldier-scholar records that in 1947, when Gen Rob Lockhart (A british general who served in Indian army's initial years) took to Nehru the intelligence that Pakistanis are building up irregulars in the border to attack Kashmir, he screamed that India is a country of Ahimsa, it does not need army, scrap the army, we can manage with the police force! I firmly hld the belief that Nehru was the founder member of Tukde Tukde gang.
We are lucky to have someone like you in this era of post truth to correct our facts, Don't worry about our Grandchildren will will keep these videos in Archive. Future generations will take inspiration from your work.
❤ i love this person Shekarji who walked on foot to just get the news for ourselves in 1980's Happy to see the dedicated man of no boundaries in journalism... it's information for ALL our children Journlist Par Excellence since 1980's
You may be right in that Nehru was okay with having Patel in his government. However, Nehru was not the saint that many in the so called liberal media paint him as. Nor was he THE builder of modern India. He was a failure at everything he wanted to do and much of what aspired for was purely self centered. He wanted to be a global leader while his own country was in shambles. His industry policy stifled entrepreneurs. His education policy was never meant to educate India's masses. His scientific spirit was at best an affectation without an understanding of scientific method. In fact he destroyed indian science with his politics. You don't have to be a anticongress or even antibNehru to acknowledge these facts. Nor don you need to be a so called Modi bhakt to stop praising Nehru blindly. You can be Nehru's lover and still gracefully say that he wasn't good enough as prime minister ! He was a nice guy though
Sir please also declutter the relationship between Bose vs Gandhi/Nehru/Patel...and why did Bose resign after becoming Congress president for the 2nd time?
@@thomasmoraes9877 if he made alliegance to the British then why was he in jail ? Why not he was freed ? And why was he involved in nation wide protests against British ?
When we will stop fighting between Nehru and Patel? Both are history now. Why we can't think how we can be super power which is the vision of political forefathers including both Patel and Nehru
@@subaaaan Same Kapoor's did ,tata,birla ambani did , doctors, engineers, businessmen did, it's everywhere in each field. The thing is that u can't change history. U have to think how can we more intelligent to learn from mistakes and find different ways to improve.
To become superpower you need to have J&K and Tibet, so how are you going to get it back? Nehru never wanted India to be even regional power. I am confused. Both Nehru and Patel had completely different idea about India.
@@architselect5269 India is not a private property of a single person but a nation state. You IQ is too low. Can you proof Indian is a private property?
He keeps harping on "archives" conveniently ignoring the fact that the "archives" have been sanitised and all letters critical of the then dispensation or likely to show it in bad light were systematically removed and destroyed.
Mr Gupta is anti BJP therefore he finds some lame excuses to defend Nehru , which is not very convincing .In fact Nehru did not get a single vote for PM ship out of 14 votes. Nehru ,Krishnamenon were British face of the cabinet. Nobody elects PM Nehru but he is taking charge to select cabinet & Nehru is celebrated as a great Democrat. In fact he was an autocrat & a dictator and never tolerated dissent. What is Nehrus sacrifice , it is ridiculous. Neither he was a mass leader , no body remembers his role before independence. He was there because of Gandhi , he was neither a brilliant lawyer. But our leftists journalist like Mr Gupta are always worshipping Mr Nehru . How many of them had gone to Andaman kalapani, Mr Sekhar . So don't make them heroes like the freedom fighters.
Maybe things could have been better or maybe not. Many factors were involved, both internal & external... But the fact is the people at the helm at that time tried their best to steer India towards a prosperous path. It's up to the current generation to decide to sail smoothly or walk into a storm.
I hope more people understand this like you do. I can't even imagine a political ideology inviting those from the opposite side, like Congress did by inviting folks from Hindu Mahasabha.
If you watch any interview of Nehru, you will see his thoughts are more rooted in Hinduism than the so called leaders of Hindutva. Watch for yourself and decide
This talk confirms that Nehru didn't want Patel. The letters showing Shekhar would be written only when there is differences. What Patel wrote was a pleasantry which people do exchange. The language suggest, the story of Narayani is true.
This whole episode is just by an apologist for nehru by carefully quoting selective facts. SG fails to mention that Sardar Patel was elected by all congress pradesh committes to be the PM of India. You can have your facts but do not blame S. Jaishankar or Modi. They have facts on their side too
Is it true that nehru did not get a single nomination to be party president, whereas patel got an overwhelming majority? Is it true gandhi intervened and made sure that nehru became the first prime minister? I want to understand the truth with facts....
Yes . You were sincere most In bringing facts . The meanest thing , this Govt is bent upon demoralising those very leaders who tried earnestly to bring freedom to this country .
It has to be a given that everyone at that pivotal moment in India that is Bharat's history tried to do their best by their own lights. Some of Nehruji's decision India (and other countries) benefited from, and some pivotal decisions India is still paying for. It is best to learn the lessons from history, fix what needs to be fixed and move on. Having said that, one thing that stuck me as curious, and this is a question for historians, is about Sardar Patel's letter to Pandit Nehru. It indicates to me an awareness of the Nehru-Mountbatten conversation. Again, without ascribing motives, was that the style in which Sardar Patel normally wrote?
Then, What Cabinet list V P Menon saw and ran to mountbatten which he saw as you mentioned in first week of august ..........did it include home minister post?
Patel passed 10th standard at the age of 22 but all he did is to unite 584 princely state and form a united india. Nehru was such a scholar that he went to UN for referundum on Kashmir which we suffer till date and called hindi chini bhai bhai eventually being taught a lesson by the Chinese in 1962. Librandus are always librandus no matter how much educated!
@@abhi565b Your usage of Librandu which is vulgar combination of Liberalism + Gandu (Sadakchaap Language) shows education hasn't added much to your character as well (Like Nehru as per your claims)
@Akarsh Sharma can't u see he was preparing us to gulp the wrong history by word like good, very good, best, brilliant historian. He was prepared us so we believe what he was saying is true Every one knows their was differences b/w nehru and patel but he's proving like they were having a affair It's like my childhood when mom give me medicine she always have a spoon sugar near by. A delusion like medicine not bitter my throat These khan market gang r educated and brilliant people know how to manipulate and fool the masses
Haha, if a direct personal attack by Ram Guha on the Foreign Minister goading him into one of his petty political/ideological battles qualifies as "just a friendly fistfight", I am not sure what an aggressive fistfight would be in your opinion! The dignity and finesse with which the Foreign Minister replied in his classic style without stooping as low or getting personal just multiplied my respect for him manifold! Also, an important point to consider is that since Nehru knew he is under the public scanner so much, he would obviously write letters calling Patel the strongest pillar of the Cabinet (formal as they were, as he himself states) or publicly appear to be amicable and cordial to Patel so as to keep up his clean image in the public eye. He was not under any compulsion to do the same while making recommendations regarding the Cabinet to Mountbatten! Especially since he could then blame Patel's ouster by him as something Mountbatten had suggested to him in the 37th point of the archived article you shared - that the Cabinet needed fresh talent for Congress to survive beyond a year.
Mr Shekhar Gupta, It is interesting to hear your analysis. Too much of body and hand movements during your delivery, distracts -rather disturbing. With regards Krishnan
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You call this good Journalism????? I call it misinformation.
Thank you for clinically busting this myth of Nehru leaving out Patel and saying in clear terms no such thing happened!
All I gotta say is, I wouldn't mind giving a year of my life to Shekhar Gupta so he can continue to amass and distribute political gyaan about India so insightfully. And I'm not even Indian.
I am surprised that while talking of Congress party, the video shows the image of Congress(I) and hand symbol. Both did not exist at that time. Also, the more disturbing thing is that by doing this you are attaching the founding fathers of India with today's Congress, grossly incorrect again
Congress at that time was not just a political party. Almost everybody baring a few hardcore socialists who wanted to participate in India's freedom struggle in a non violent way wanted to be a part of Congress. It was the voice of people at that time. It was not just a political party but an instrument of Indians against the British.
@YourBallIsInMyFist ICanSqueezeOutMoreThanFiftyCents What's wrong with dating white girls? Virgin teens should stop obsessing over his sex life.
Frankly, until Narasimha Rao's leadership of the party, it was Congres(I), where "I" signified Indira! The original Congress died a miserable death by splitting into many factions, Thanks to Mrs.Gandhi's over-ambition. Indira's faction took many forms before becoming Congress(I) in 1980. It was rechristened as INC by Narasimha Rao in 1993.
SG has always been part of Sonia's coterie and we can not simply expect him to stick to facts.
@Ramesha Krsiah what the fuck was that dumbuss.......
@Ramesha Krsiah Have you read Mahabharata? It is filled with sex, alcohol, wars and promiscuity. Go and give your fake purinatical lectures on Indian and Hindu culture to someone who is brought up in RSS sakha. Also drinking alcohol is not against Hindu culture. Go and search about "soma rasa" a hallucinating drink which helped rishis in writing vedas and they have mentioned it in your Vedas. And don't even get me started on Kamasutra and hundreds of Indian temples with sexual imageries. Stop peddling fake news. What you are touting as Hindu culture is wrong on every level.
6:15 SG - you say you are not judging BJP and RSS’ reading of history
7:10 BJPs reading of history is a belief in folklore.
How do you reconcile the two statements?
Try hard as you might to remain neutral, your
Anti-BJP views slip thru.
@@pragyanshsingh6093 they never seen such government which deliver projects in time if not atleast little bit later so they r not able to process it
I'll never keep Jinnah in the same level of Gandhi, Nehru, Patel, Bose and the other great leaders of India's freedom struggle. Jinnah is way below than all of them. It's an insult to the greats like Gandhi, Nehru, Patel and Bose if we hyphenate them with Jinnah.
Sagnik Ghosh ....he founded a nation.....v really have no choice but to include him.....our likes and dislikes don’t really have a role in it......
@@krishsandy7020 a nation which contradicts the idea of india
Did he go to jail for the purpose of nation building.
Or did he parachute in at an opportune time ?
That he was initially a part of the congress is not denied.
That makes no difference.
It's unfortunate that for the independence of India, The sacrifices of Abul kalam Azad ignored one who was the youngest congress president and two-time president of congress and sacrificed 1/3 life in jail
Viewing from Bangladesh, your views are most constructive, learned many things about subcontinent from your series, thanks
Listen to views from others too. SG is a big liar & distorts every thing.
@@Pork393 Any of his articles or videos you can point to that would prove your point?
When Mountbatten was deciding the composition of the cabinet, how can you say India was an independent country. This freedom was a farce.
See it is very natural. When you win freedom by sacrifice , by fighting you know it's worth. Nehru & Jinnah both rich & British collaborator got the power without much effort . Gandhi a mass leader became the villain of the partition . The nationalist finally had enough of his nonsense & finished his non stop tamasha . The British hated him , the Conhress used him & threw him to the dustbin . Pakistan & India two fledgling states both lead by two leaders most suitable for compromise .So began the journey , which faltered in every step it took . India a coward state and insulted from the beginning by Pakistan, China the west . Pakistan a frontline proxi state of the west now china to keep India bleeding .
We made Mount Batten to rule us (even after independence until Gandhi passed away.)proved that Nehru was helpless.
This is as good as it gets. Thanks SG ji and your team for the research and thoughtfulness. And many thanks for de cluttering but not disrespecting your audience’s intelligence by dumbing it.
I am just amazed by the length to which Shekhar Gupta has gone using all the resources of print to make us believe only those archives which support his point of view and plainly dismisses the other archives which support other point of view. Unbiased journalism??
Is there unbiased journalism ever?? Never. He is not wrong.
Unbiased journalism = supporting BJP narrative, according to you
Prove him wrong
@@theAraAra Unbiased journalism = not sympathizing Sharjeel imam
There are many Dalals in many forms.
Reading these comments are more interesting. We have become so blind that even facts don't matter if you are inclined to ideology.
there is a claim and a counter how come what u belive becomes a fact and other becomes idology , strange nai
Uncontested. Nehru dropped Sardar Patel from cabinet and all party posts before Sardar died. Facts have nothing to do with ideology.
My video on UA-cam on the blundering Nehru ua-cam.com/video/mS86JWlo_eo/v-deo.html
Exactly in your blind faith against non lutyens you are not looking into facts. Please revisit the video. Shekhar is just trying to impose which Mountbatten at 80's might be misjudging
@@dhirajdalvi5078 There is literally written letters between sardar and nehru wtf
Lol did you read the book by eam jaishankar ,maybe you can judge both sides.
This is one of the most beautiful episodes of CTC. This is the essence of this show - cutting the clutter. And a lot of clutter I believe has been cut within 28mins.
The research that you guys put in to come up with this quality of content in a matter of 24hrs, is incredible. More power to this kind of journalism. Especially given the times we live in.
Only reason we have clutter is because our history has been written by fraudulent historians who knew people will seek to explore later. As heroes the portrayed in history are turning to be the Zeros. 😉
Why no debate about Shashtri Vs Indira ?
because it's a debate, you can have it with anyone.
She was accidental prime minister and her ministry was not powerful in shastri government
After shastri there were rift in congress
Modi will never touch these two figures As he knows if he criticize Indira it will back fire Gupta ji also mentioned in one of the CTC
They had a good relation
Excellent edition of CTC.
But there is a small discrepancy in video. At 9:47 you talk about V.P.Menon but visually show picture Krishna Menon.
Looks like your editing team got confused which Menon you were talking about.
Many darbaris in power circuits. Promotion of Krishna Menon has been done willingly
Yes , bad here.
Often we think that either it is black or it is white. We should remember that sometimes people cannot be demarcated on such narrow binaries. People at different times and situations have different shades. Maybe we should also consider grey as a shade and then form opinions.
Not true from an idealogical sense.
Then there are historical facts.
ua-cam.com/video/mS86JWlo_eo/v-deo.html
@@vinsin328 I don't think any of these people were bound by a certain ideology. They all very pretty flexible as far as ideology is concerned.
Dear problem is we have lots of Grey that has been presented as White not black by our intellectual historians, who studied Bharat in London 😳what a tragedy 😭
People act like all people in history were supposed to be Ram like. But isn't Krishna a better example of reality?
Look at all the adjectives Shekhar uses for historians who support his narrative- very very good the best finest.
That is OK.
Guha 😛😛😛😛is the finest dynasty Pidi.
Forgot another - brilliant.
my thoughts exactly! All labeled as best this that. And even if this one fact might be right why create a narration that Nehru love Patel..He clearly didnt and many facts show that.
Our next generations will learn from Mr. Gupta's CutTheClutter.
jinnah - "suffered in jail" - new revelation by shekhar ji
Shubham Jain 😅
he was initially a moderate but with time got disenchanted with what he was doing. he gave 50 years of his life for freedom struggle pr last m goo kha liya.
May be 5 star hotel wala jail
Mr. Megalomaniac‘s prime ministership was the beginning of decades of continued slavery for India. We have not yet recovered from the treachery of Nehru and his traitorous descendants.
If you call a contrarian view of history as folklore, the same can be said about your preferred version of 'history' too.
somebody said it, dear do read this article for different view on Nehru m.hindustantimes.com/chandigarh/nehru-s-nabha-jail-ordeal-lost-in-past/story-EBrTBPS8u8UPMHndqThAjP.html
There is something called facts. And evidence.
Very nice analysis sir.. 100% facts based... No place for bias.. 🙏🙏
The fact of the matter is history is written by winners. Who were the winners in these 70 years we all know. It doesn’t matter if Jaishankar or Guha is right, the truth does lie somewhere in between. I for one don’t believe Nehru was innocent.. what he did I am sure he did for his chair and his daughter, but he was a decent prime minister till he screwed up on China and Kashmir. But I do believe he was prejudiced against Patel and Bose. He was selfish and entitled. Unfortunately that’s his legacy that’s blatantly visible in his descendants.
Very well said. It is nearly impossible for common people like us to determine who is right since each side either shows or suppresses facts based on their convenience. If we look back at the decisions taken by Nehru and the way things turned out for his family and India as a society, he definitely is not a innocent person. He can at best be judged as a power hungry, manipulative and incapable leader whose main objective was to gain power and ensure the same remained with his family. One can always argue that hind sight is 20/20 but I would consider one as a good leader who has 20/20 vision to start with.
Gupta ji is typical Nehruvian with true Nehru qualities. Since 2019 election results he realized Modi bashing is not going to work so he changed his style now to push agenda’s in the garb of being neutral. He mentions about what our future generations will be able to trace about Vajpayee-Advani or Modi-Amit shah smartly pushing the idea that they are not educated, but no mention of Manmohan-Sonia, Sonia-PV Narasimharao. How and why after so many defeats Congress party still clings on to the Gandhi family. Amazing!!
Regarding jail term, can the jail condition of Nehru/Gandhi etc be compared to jail conditions of the revolutionaries who were brutally tortured and lived in inhuman condition?
The fact remains that Nehru was not elected by the Congress party or the Constitutent Assembly. Like most prime ministers in Indian history after 1947, they were imposed by outside forces, each with its own agenda. it is a fact that all the regional Congress committees, who knew a lot better about the abilities and qualifications of various actors in 1946, better than us in 2020, not even one voted for Nehru. Nehru was imposed upon a new country by Gandhi, who in an earlier episode resigned from the Congress, because Bose was elected against his wishes. That is the truth of the Gandhi version of democracy, which says "do as i tell you" , not "think for yourself". Both Shastri and Indira were imposed by a group of five, called the Syndicate, who had their own agenda. Was Rajiv or Sonia elected by the party? If anyone disagreed, like the way Sharad Pawar found out, you will be thrown out of the party, into the wilderness. The way tickets are distributed, compare it by the way, how USA works. Which is why so many indians/hindus have been able to get elected. India is not and has never been a functional democracy. It is a manipulated oligarchy. Sonia owns Congress, the yadav family owns SP, Mayawati owns BSP, Mamata owns TC, Jayalalitha owned AIADMK etc etc. Do you still call our country a democracy.?
Modi owns BJP ? Go on. Bro that is how all the large functioning democracies work, with an influential leader. Just look at the power Modi holds today.
Question: So it is speculated "Patel wasn't healthy to become PM". But he was just fit enough to become Home Minister and much more capable of uniting the country. How does that make sense?
21:21.... 'THEY were very literate'...
Bit below the belt Guptaji.
Hahaha
But that's a fact! Patel and Nehur and Gandhi. All were very very well read and were foreign graduates in law. In comparison to anybody in power today, they were atleast far beyond educated.
@@gaffemind3440 absolutely true my friend! No doubt about what you said. Education making a differece or not is a debate. But who is more educated or less educated is a fact. And that's what was just quoted in the video. He did not say who was better, he just quoted a fac
@@sakshamjain6806
I cannot wake up a person who is pretending to be asleep.
Sweet dreams.
Current pm also has degree in entire political science😂
fascinating to learn the relationship bw Patel and Nehru. Its called an adult relationship which no leader today understands.
Their integrity, commitment, and vision for the country despite stark differences is nowhere to be found today. Worrying!
Nehru not including Sardar Patel's name in the list of cabinet ministers is clear sign of eternal inferiority complex of Congress leadership, Isn't it strange that a person who(Nehru) got ZERO absolutely Zero votes from party members across the country
That's the beauty of history sir. It is open for interpretation. What amounts to heresy during reconstruction of history is when facts are hidden or twisted or when personalities are treated as sacrosanct monuments not to be questioned, all to suit someone's idea of truth.
History is a chronology of events and facts. How is there room for "interpretation" or even "reconstruction" unless missing links exist?
Sir with due Respect , we did understand the facts and dates but "Action speaks louder than word". Mr MB can not be more clearer than this when he said this. The claim that being made by person like Mr Guha that Nehru allow dissent is just fell flat. He did not include Mr Patel because he is not his loyalist.
Umm did you even watch the video? Also, answer me this. If Nehru did not allow any kind of dissent in his party, then how did the Congress manage landslide victories for the first 3 general elections during his tenure? Your assumption that the Congress of that time was a single-minded party being led by an authoritarian Nehru simply falls flat if we look at how people from such diverse backgrounds, the poor, the rich, the socialists, the capitalists, hindus, sikhs, christians, muslims etc all voted for one party, the INC
Dear Shekhar you are right about what you mention . But you still miss the point , initially Nehru omitted Patel's name. Later he added his name on Mountbatten's persuasion. Read the book " Witness to an Era by Frank Moraes "
He literally debunked the whole thing. Don’t people watch the video before commenting?
Great work..The Print...
Maybe J.L. Nehru wrote letter to Sardar V.B. Patel after to include Sardar in the cabinet by Mountbatten ?
👍👍 present generation should know real history, good effort Shekhar Sir
Sad some people still not mature enough to understand difference of opinion. One of the big reason why we are such a vibrant democracy is that same difference of opinion among the builders of modern india whether Gandhi, Nehru, Patel, Ambedkar, Bose, Bhagat singh Etc.
And what was the point? Who was listening? Nehru did whatever he wanted and never cared about others.
Thankyou Shekhar...really appreciate the effort behind de cluttering such complex topics. Editing team, what’s the rush to put music and graphics even before he has finished speaking?
I can watch over this video for like 5 times. What a de-clutter man! Thanks SG
Fascinating to hear you de clutter with facts and logic. Learning about politics past and present. Thank you.
Such great men of that era!
Although accusations on Nehruji has been cleared, we see no Nehru's competence in Rahul Gandhi and thus no support for him. :)
Pappu pass nahi hoga
9:48 wrong Menon shown
Looks like fake news and mis information is not that young. 😅
It's not about first cabinet , it talks about new cabinet .
Oh i teared up on this cut the clutter...Shekharji thanks so much...we live in times where facts make you emotional...so much of lies around... Cut the clutter should get Magsayaay award....
One interesting anecdote that comes out of this (unneeded) controversy- Mountbatten & the British Deep State were also commenting on the Constitution of the Cabinet of 'Independent India'.
9:13 - SG in touch with meme culture (refers to the "aap chronology samajhiye" meme)
“If Gandhi had not intervened, Patel would have been the first de facto Premier of India, in 1946-7…. The Sardar was ‘robbed of the prize’ and it rankled deeply.”
This was from a Print article only. Perhaps you forgot to mention this point deliberately theprint.in/opinion/jawaharlal-nehrus-election-as-indias-first-prime-minister-wasnt-unanimous/34519/
Conveniently SG did not talk about Nehru getting 0 votes in PCC elections for PM post. So much for the ‘factual’ history. I don’t disagree with the facts he presents, but what a story leaves our tells you as much he includes.
It's a documented fact that Nehru systematically removed all opposition to him, even including his son in law Feroze Gandhi
yep, he was a politician and wanted to rule India unopposed as a dictator till his death and he did that.
'documented fact' - Documented by whom? by RSS? or by the shoe polisher savarkar?
Imposition of Nehru by Gandhiji as PM of Independent India was one of the the biggest mistake of his life .
Please add some corrections in an addendum : Drop Jinnah from the list of leaders who courted arrest.
You have shown Krishna Menon in place of VP Menon in the video.
Thank you Shekhar sir for enlightening us about this period in our important history. I commend you and your team for all the research and making these topical and relevant videos! Excellent
What about the INC preference for Sardar Patel as first PM? It is said that Nehru persuaded Gandhi that he was a better choice than Patel and then Gandhi over ruled the INC and pushed through Nehru?
Really eye opening cut the clutter. Thanks SG.Past does matter. Only caution is do not live in the Past
Leaving lots and lots of doubt.।।। Looks like objective of this narrative is clear and presented accordingly.।।
Nehru did have an unfortunate tendency to have personal biases, loyalties override meritocracy, not just in ministerial appointments but all over - including securing plum diplomatic positions for his acolytes, relatives etc.
Well, this is ridiculous. It's easily debunked by the fact that Syama Prasad Mukherjee, R. K. Shanmukham Chetty and BR Ambedkar went on to hold important posts even though not being from the congress. History is open to interpretation, interpretation of facts; not preconceived motions distorted by political ideology of the present.
❤❤❤ a very absolute analysis by a "dyed inthe wool" the Journlist of our times ❤
'they were very literate'
😂 sly on current dispensation?
Having a clause in the constitution that an electorate need not have a formal educational degree has been the bane of the cabinet. If you want to see a congregation of idiots, that's where you need to go.
M.A in entire political science.
Even has a B.A.
What else should he get?
@@anbee8127 being literate and educated are very different things. literate just means to be able to read and write.
we need literate leaders but formal educate does not qualify them to know the problems of the communities they belong to, be able to lead people and exercise the power and responsibilities that come with the job in an honest and corruption-free manner.
Don't know why people think that we don't have enough educated people in the administration.
www.indiatoday.in/diu/story/ministers-of-modi-sarkar-2-0-score-high-on-education-1539575-2019-05-31
You were saying?
@@Alleur what was the degree of Nehru and Indira. By the way visit Dr jaysankar Twitter a/c to get some knowledge on the issue
Is that true 13 member from 14member congress committee suggested patel name for pm post and Gandhi pushed Neharu name
Yes true...
No that’s a lie. That election was for the post of Congress president and not the Prime Minister. Dwarka Prasad Mishra who was a member of committee said that if the election was for prime minister, they would have voted for Nehru.
Yes Patel was chosen, but sadly for India Gandhi backed Nehru and rest we ought to decipher on why Patel was happy working with same man who kept him out of PM post.
@@rish517 it is a lie...... President only always become the PM too especially in congress..... Then why RaGa was made President of Congress party? Nehru was not the preferred candidate for PM of India.... It was Sardar Patel....
@@krishnakumarbs4800 Nope. It wasn't the case. JB Kripalani was INC president when Nehru was elected as PM, Kamaraj was INC president when LB Shastri and Indira Gandhi were elected as PM, Sonia Gandhi was INC president when Manmohan Singh was elected as PM. Party president is not the requirement to become PM, otherwise, JB Kripalani, K. Kamaraj, Jayaprakash Narayan, Advani, Sonia Gandhi, and Amit Shah would've been our PM instead of Nehru, LB Shastri and Indira Gandhi, Morarji Desai, Vajpayee, Manmohan Singh, and Modi as our PMs.
If you know some basic 8th-grade civics, at least you should've knowledge that PM is elected by Members of the Parliament (MPs) not some random 15 member committee which literally has no power. India had general election in 1946 to elect interim government and Nehru was the PM since 1946.
INC president and Congress working committe (CWC) are always been elected by a "thousand member" AICC since 1885 and up till now. PCC didn't exist till 1937 and they literally have no power at any decision making.
Did you sleep through your civis because your facts are filled with nothing but What's App memes.
SG started this series as a neutral observer to get viewership, slowly started now Congress propaganda.
Wrong I am following him for very long, he is a commie who was supporting congie during the first BJP tenture after the second one he was so shocked that he toned down as a neutral "journalist" but now as BJP lost two major states he is also showing his true colors, the more they show they are sincere the more you should do your own research, however if you get the politics out the guy is pretty informative.
Sycophant Guptaji trying his best to save chica Nehru..
V.P.menon is a close aide of Nehru, if he said that patel was not there in first cabinet then it has surely substance on it.
@sanchit Koul hear cut the clutter episode on jairam ramesh books on menon.
Patel himself was involved in the selection of the cabinet. Nehru and Patel were both equals and v.p.menon was just a bureaucrat who got to read a letter here or there. Just a cooked-up controversy by the lady to sell her book.
@@jyotisahay2812 Ramesh was talking about VK Krishna Menon. This is VP Menon. Different people.
I think you are confusing VP Menon with Krishna Menon.
Vp Menon was a glorified typist who rose up the heirarchy through his machenisatiions
It is an attempt to defend Nehru. Why Patel memorial lectures were a low key affair during Nehru lndira regime . Nehrus stand on Kashmir was quite different from Patel which was borne out by justice Meharchand Mahajan who was a senior government functionary in J and K Maharajas government.Not to forget attempt to sideline Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose by Nehru .
It is a well known fact Nehru vs Patel. It was more of Nehru vs Patel rather than Patel vs Nehru. Patel was not much for power. He was more interested in a United and Democratic India while Nehru was keen on power. For Nehru Prime Minister's seat was very attractive. Some analysts or politicians say he fought for the country and was in jail for quite a number of years. He did his duty as a citizen towards the country. It is nothing great he has done. No one asked him to go to jail for the country. He wanted to serve his country he did it.
Sekhar Gupta is brilliant and rare kind of journalist.
One of the more cluttered cut-the-clutter episodes. I think the intent was right, to give perspective to Nehru-Patel divide but I think it can be better. Firstly, using hearsay (he said -she said) is a big mistake. Just because something someone said is in an archive does not make it a fact. Similarly if someone's granddaughter says she heard her grandfather utter something does not make it right either. The only items that hold water would be the letters Nehru and Patel themselves wrote. You showed Patel's letter where Patel says he respects Nehru but no evidence for the other way around. No letter to say Nehru respects Patel. Lack of evidence does not prove that Nehru did not respect Patel. But the legs on which this episode was conceived were perhaps missing. I would instead go by Nehru and Patel's actions rather than hearsay and essays by other people. We have too many so called historians who sell their own opinion as history in this country.
So patel was in the list or not, still confused😑
@@manisha3971 He was one of the people actively making the list and yes he was also in the list as Nehru wrote a letter to him formally inviting him and calling him the strongest pillar of cabinet.
Shekhar Sir no one provides the kind of mental stimulation and intellectual thrill but you with your analysis and in-depth analysis .
The issues concerning Nehru go far beyond Patel-Nehru relationship. Fundamental question is whether Nehru stood for India at all? Substantial portion of his decisions until the ignominous defeat at the hands of China in 1962 lend credence to this doubt. Recently, I read Air Vice Marshal Arjun Subramaniam's book "India's Wars", a military history of wars fought by India between 1947 to 1971. This soldier-scholar records that in 1947, when Gen Rob Lockhart (A british general who served in Indian army's initial years) took to Nehru the intelligence that Pakistanis are building up irregulars in the border to attack Kashmir, he screamed that India is a country of Ahimsa, it does not need army, scrap the army, we can manage with the police force! I firmly hld the belief that Nehru was the founder member of Tukde Tukde gang.
He was an idealist that is all it is. Don't use such insulting words for the man who was a part of building this nation
We are lucky to have someone like you in this era of post truth to correct our facts, Don't worry about our Grandchildren will will keep these videos in Archive. Future generations will take inspiration from your work.
NEHRU had called PATEL a COMMUNAL man & also Lost Indo-China 1962 war, need to Publish this in our Schoolbooks. 👍
Nehru called Patel communal because Patel demanded India to be a secular country.
@@vinsin328 Wrong Fact try again.
@@ihithasrinivasan4568 Which fact is wrong?
❤ i love this person Shekarji who walked on foot to just get the news for ourselves in 1980's
Happy to see the dedicated man of no boundaries in journalism... it's information for ALL our children
Journlist Par Excellence since 1980's
Every thing about India is great, but the people don't think the politicians are very short sighted.
You may be right in that Nehru was okay with having Patel in his government. However, Nehru was not the saint that many in the so called liberal media paint him as. Nor was he THE builder of modern India. He was a failure at everything he wanted to do and much of what aspired for was purely self centered. He wanted to be a global leader while his own country was in shambles. His industry policy stifled entrepreneurs. His education policy was never meant to educate India's masses. His scientific spirit was at best an affectation without an understanding of scientific method. In fact he destroyed indian science with his politics. You don't have to be a anticongress or even antibNehru to acknowledge these facts. Nor don you need to be a so called Modi bhakt to stop praising Nehru blindly. You can be Nehru's lover and still gracefully say that he wasn't good enough as prime minister !
He was a nice guy though
2:46 , thats not the jhanda of Inc during Independence
yeah, bad editing.
Heard they had a Flag with a Cow in it. 😀😀
Exactly/ I thought the same
Sir please also declutter the relationship between Bose vs Gandhi/Nehru/Patel...and why did Bose resign after becoming Congress president for the 2nd time?
Bose was talking about weapon fight and Congress ideology was non-violence
By Jail term you forget to mention Veer Savarkar
On behalf of SG, I apologise. Sorry :)
do read this article too m.hindustantimes.com/chandigarh/nehru-s-nabha-jail-ordeal-lost-in-past/story-EBrTBPS8u8UPMHndqThAjP.html
Same coward who wrote a letter praising the British and the Queen so that he can get out?
His seven weepy letters swearing allegiance to the British is well documented. Never call him Veer Only Bhagat Singh is Veer.
@@thomasmoraes9877 if he made alliegance to the British then why was he in jail ? Why not he was freed ? And why was he involved in nation wide protests against British ?
When we will stop fighting between Nehru and Patel? Both are history now. Why we can't think how we can be super power which is the vision of political forefathers including both Patel and Nehru
Because Nehru passed on his business to his offspring.
@@subaaaan Same Kapoor's did ,tata,birla ambani did , doctors, engineers, businessmen did, it's everywhere in each field. The thing is that u can't change history. U have to think how can we more intelligent to learn from mistakes and find different ways to improve.
@@architselect5269 india is not a property or a legacy of anyone to pass on to its ancestors.
To become superpower you need to have J&K and Tibet, so how are you going to get it back? Nehru never wanted India to be even regional power.
I am confused. Both Nehru and Patel had completely different idea about India.
@@architselect5269 India is not a private property of a single person but a nation state. You IQ is too low. Can you proof Indian is a private property?
He keeps harping on "archives" conveniently ignoring the fact that the "archives" have been sanitised and all letters critical of the then dispensation or likely to show it in bad light were systematically removed and destroyed.
Sir Patel was recommended as PM CANDIDATE BY 12 out of 13 congress committees
Mr Gupta is anti BJP therefore he finds some lame excuses to defend Nehru , which is not very convincing .In fact Nehru did not get a single vote for PM ship out of 14 votes. Nehru ,Krishnamenon were British face of the cabinet. Nobody elects PM Nehru but he is taking charge to select cabinet & Nehru is celebrated as a great Democrat. In fact he was an autocrat & a dictator and never tolerated dissent.
What is Nehrus sacrifice , it is ridiculous.
Neither he was a mass leader , no body remembers his role before independence. He was there because of Gandhi , he was neither a brilliant lawyer.
But our leftists journalist like Mr Gupta are always worshipping Mr Nehru . How many of them had gone to Andaman kalapani, Mr Sekhar . So don't make them heroes like the freedom fighters.
May be jail is like a 'picnic'... If u can write 3 letters a day to your daughter and have Britishers asking u about your choice for breakfast..!
Try seven years in jail
@@thomasmoraes9877 they were political prisoners unlike many in incarcerated in Kalapani.
Maybe things could have been better or maybe not. Many factors were involved, both internal & external... But the fact is the people at the helm at that time tried their best to steer India towards a prosperous path. It's up to the current generation to decide to sail smoothly or walk into a storm.
I hope more people understand this like you do. I can't even imagine a political ideology inviting those from the opposite side, like Congress did by inviting folks from Hindu Mahasabha.
it's just politics bro, let it be, it isn't that other works got stopped just because of a debate, debate is very much part of democracy
@@RahulKumar-ng2gh but, are you and I politicians?
@@M20-z4j but isn't the democracy gives you right to debate discuss things
@@RahulKumar-ng2gh discuss things the way politicians do or discuss things the way an informed citizen should do?
Past does matter. BJP needs to correct all the mistakes of Nehru, starting with Kashmir, taking out hindu culture, china policy and much more.
If you watch any interview of Nehru, you will see his thoughts are more rooted in Hinduism than the so called leaders of Hindutva. Watch for yourself and decide
see ua-cam.com/video/qEc47H_loOI/v-deo.html
@@bhutheshr Pass me that video. I have watched all. So what compelled Nehru not to for complete partition?
This talk confirms that Nehru didn't want Patel. The letters showing Shekhar would be written only when there is differences. What Patel wrote was a pleasantry which people do exchange. The language suggest, the story of Narayani is true.
where can I access thearchival material quoted by you as also Jaram RameshNarayanai Basu
This whole episode is just by an apologist for nehru by carefully quoting selective facts. SG fails to mention that Sardar Patel was elected by all congress pradesh committes to be the PM of India. You can have your facts but do not blame S. Jaishankar or Modi. They have facts on their side too
Is it true that nehru did not get a single nomination to be party president, whereas patel got an overwhelming majority? Is it true gandhi intervened and made sure that nehru became the first prime minister? I want to understand the truth with facts....
V.p.menon daughter book too quotes mountbatten and menon
If only could Mr Shekhar Gupta stop gesticulating so much.....😃
Thnx
Yes . You were sincere most
In bringing facts .
The meanest thing , this Govt is bent upon demoralising those very leaders who tried earnestly to bring freedom to this country .
It has to be a given that everyone at that pivotal moment in India that is Bharat's history tried to do their best by their own lights. Some of Nehruji's decision India (and other countries) benefited from, and some pivotal decisions India is still paying for. It is best to learn the lessons from history, fix what needs to be fixed and move on. Having said that, one thing that stuck me as curious, and this is a question for historians, is about Sardar Patel's letter to Pandit Nehru. It indicates to me an awareness of the Nehru-Mountbatten conversation. Again, without ascribing motives, was that the style in which Sardar Patel normally wrote?
Then, What Cabinet list V P Menon saw and ran to mountbatten which he saw as you mentioned in first week of august ..........did it include home minister post?
@21.22, Please stop teasing Modiji by saying Nehru and Patel were very literate.
Patel passed 10th standard at the age of 22 but all he did is to unite 584 princely state and form a united india.
Nehru was such a scholar that he went to UN for referundum on Kashmir which we suffer till date and called hindi chini bhai bhai eventually being taught a lesson by the Chinese in 1962.
Librandus are always librandus no matter how much educated!
@@abhi565b Your usage of Librandu which is vulgar combination of Liberalism + Gandu (Sadakchaap Language) shows education hasn't added much to your character as well (Like Nehru as per your claims)
I can see a lot of R$$ bull-shit here.
Hemanshu Bangera then have some 😂
@@srinivasReddy-xw3rv Here comes another Brahmin 😅😂😂
How cleanly he alter the history
It's a art
@Earth Evolution:
So, pls tell us unaltered history. Willing to hear. If possible, also pls cite a few documents/ letters/ archives.. thanks
@Akarsh Sharma can't u see he was preparing us to gulp the wrong history by word like good, very good, best, brilliant historian. He was prepared us so we believe what he was saying is true
Every one knows their was differences b/w nehru and patel but he's proving like they were having a affair
It's like my childhood when mom give me medicine she always have a spoon sugar near by. A delusion like medicine not bitter my throat
These khan market gang r educated and brilliant people know how to manipulate and fool the masses
Wohh even British decided the cabinet list after we got independence ....Strange
Good analysis Mr. Gupta.
finally ctc arrived after 23 search. sir please upload video daily 🙏🙏.2 day gap is like year long
Same pinch
Haha, if a direct personal attack by Ram Guha on the Foreign Minister goading him into one of his petty political/ideological battles qualifies as "just a friendly fistfight", I am not sure what an aggressive fistfight would be in your opinion! The dignity and finesse with which the Foreign Minister replied in his classic style without stooping as low or getting personal just multiplied my respect for him manifold!
Also, an important point to consider is that since Nehru knew he is under the public scanner so much, he would obviously write letters calling Patel the strongest pillar of the Cabinet (formal as they were, as he himself states) or publicly appear to be amicable and cordial to Patel so as to keep up his clean image in the public eye. He was not under any compulsion to do the same while making recommendations regarding the Cabinet to Mountbatten! Especially since he could then blame Patel's ouster by him as something Mountbatten had suggested to him in the 37th point of the archived article you shared - that the Cabinet needed fresh talent for Congress to survive beyond a year.
If age discrimination is a fact, then Shri Vallabhai Patel's elimination was inevitable.
Mr Shekhar Gupta, It is interesting to hear your analysis. Too much of body and hand movements during your delivery, distracts -rather disturbing. With regards Krishnan
Sir you have shown picture of krishna menon when you referenced VP menon at one instance in this video