The Internal Decay of Nijisanji
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- Опубліковано 14 лют 2024
- today I took a deep dive into the recent situation involving Nijisanji, regarding the recent termination the streamer Selen Tatsuki. Now going by Dokibird, after leaving nijisanji, dokibird's new channel has gone gang busters, and ive never seen a vtuber related story pop up quite like this one.
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Imma be real - this situation went beyond "vtuber drama". This has become "corporate mismanagement and incompetence almost cost an employee their life and now they try to save face by throwing the ex-employee under the bus."
Niji already had a horrible reputation in the vtuber sphere before all this. Debuting new streamers so fast they seemingly cannibalize each others viewers, management being unable to keep up with all the new talent. Poor pay (like the infamous 2% cut of merch sales), rumors of favoritism. Entire branches seemingly being abandoned for not bringing in enough views/money. And the constant stream of graduations and terminations that have been going on. Heck, when they canceled Doki's (then Selen) Fall Guys tournament many of her fans were already saying she'd be better off leaving Nijisanji.
Really should make everyone more aware of how abusive and horrible the idol industry is and more skeptical of vtuber corporations by association. This is what they're like.
@@TheSkyheart5 to add on to this sayu/zaion mentioned that niji livers don't get paid a salary
@@dracolich6669 No they don't Pomu kept her day job until she was making enough out of the SC's and memberships. As did Rosemi, or at least they were public about it. I assume most of the others did too. Once they get monitized and make enough to live off is when Pomu, now don't get me wrong Pomu made a crapton of money through memberships and Superchat's but no initial salary and the merch cut was abyssmal. The voice packs are where they made the real money at something like 50% cut. None of the livers ever promote merch but boy oh boy do they hawk the voice packs. Voice packs are only $10 bucks so they get $5 bucks a sale, acrylic stands are $7 and the cut is like 2% of the profit so we're talking less than 14 cents as far as I understand it.
@@shingshongshamalamano, Nijisanji is the outlier here. This kind of mismanagement wouldn’t happen at Hololive, Phase Connect, Idol Corp, VShojo etc.
Companies have reputations for a reason.
NO WAY KWITE IS COVERING THE NIJISANJI SCANDAL
Didn't Charlie cover this too?
I don't think he got as in-depth though.
I’M SAYING LMAOOO
WAY
@@CannibalisticChihuahuaOH MY GOD HE DIDDDDD
Hot take: people should be allowed to talk about their employers publicly and the company should be able to do NOTHING about it.
Edit: This is your daily reminder to unionise and protect your rights! ✊
If your workplace does not have a union I beg of you try to start one or support others who wish to start one!
To be honest, non-disparagement clauses are pretty common even in US employment contracts, Niji's is insane because that's the bizarre way Japan operates though.
Not in japan tho, because u can literally get sued for being "defamation"
they do in the states the NDA terms are actually limited and CAN NOT VIOLATE THE FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS WITHOUT APPROVED CAUSE!!! because your a bad company is not approved what they mean is in NDA in the US you can not share recipes and company secrets that are considered pillaged poor treatment is not only not prevailed the company can be punished for trying to use a NDA to silence any abuse that may be a violation of workers rights. Even if it is a contract.
@@randodox8375 You can be sued even if you're telling the truth, as long as the person/company suing feels like their reputation has been damaged (and in a lot of cases, they win).
How insane is that?
@@randodox8375 Yup. Japan's defamation laws are awful. You can be sued for defamation even if what you said is true.
One point: Doki didn't say anything about Niji streamers bullying her in her own public messages. Niji themselves claimed this in the termination letter, a letter that has been community noted for lies and inconsistency 3-4 times. So it may be factually inaccurate.
Among Us self reporting in real life
it's probably a mistranslation since it's translated from a Japanese post that happened before with graduations
The English statement are missing the part about bullying, only the Japanese statement has it.
How could you miss such a major point when translating.
Clearly, I interpreted that Selen meant to say the bullying that happened from inside was actively perpetuated by the managements actions, if not downright consequence of their actions.
They definitely tried to manipulate the situation like the Sayu/Zaion situation where they justified her termination by saying she was toxic to livers and then having them comment about it on stream instead of making a statement about it. Dunno why they thought they should send a message through Elira instead of Niji EN’s own channel though.
@@Lucaz99oh well that last question is easy, the management is hiding behind the public facing livers so they take all the hate.
I wasn’t a Dragoon before this. I sure as fuck am now.
Dragoons!!
literally i checked her out thinking to just give her a little bit of support, im a dragoon now
Hehehe "goon"
DRAGOONS RISE UP 🙏🙏🙏
real
Fun fact: Nijisanji doesn't sponsor any of the livers projects, Doki spend &200,000 canadian dollars in projects in 2023 (not counting 2022 and 2021) and made no profit that year.
All her projects were erased by Nijisanji.
Some of her projects of 2023
-She made a 3d birthday concert of 30 minutes, paid a 3d model for one of her colleagues (you can find clips of the concert it was GOOD).
-Her last cover (confirmed $15000)
-Original aon with an original mv.
- Commissioned multiple short animations.
-Lo-fi versions of most of the gen songs with animations(mostly every gen has a debut song).
-A small videogame of her and a graduated talent (Pomu Rainpuff).
-A Hololive/Nijisanji apex tournament.
-Wrestlesanji 1 and 2 on twitch (she even got a belt commissioned).
-Special unarchived karaoke where she comissioned MANY MAYBE TOO MANY ASSETS.(I don't remember if that one was from 2023 tho)
All of this erased.
It costs 200 thousand dollars to work at Nijisanji... For 12 months
There is an archive version of her channel. Ive watched a few of her live streams through it.
What's the channel
@@Robplayswithdragons
this is common in corp vtuber companies. If its not a corp sponsored event, it is the talents cost. Music videos, events, etc. This is true in holo as well... music video covers, purchases of games, streaming hardware... almost always talent funded. ... That is part of why the niji ceo was apologizing is the company was supposed to have more company sponsored events (3D lives, model refreshes, etc). But more over, in niji, the lack of a stipend as they are treated as contractors not employees, and the HORRIBLE cut on the revenue... and it seems that niji managers are unable, or unwilling (in the case of Pomu) to find/make/approve the sponsorships and brand deals that also help make content possible... makes this horrible at Niji. That their talents only make $200k a year. But yes I generally disagree with agencies getting to remove all content, even on termination. I understand the contract is such they own the IP, and it DOES take some staff time to monitor and remove things as rights change over time... but still does feel a real loss for no reason. For a company like Niji, I am not sure why that corp would be better than indie life at this point.
@@todkapuz @todkapuz RIGHT?! It feels like NijiEn Management doesn't wanna try to get sponsors! I hate the fact Niji doesn't pay a salary either (cover does pay one) the smaller talents have less probability of making projects to try and get the spotlight on themselves as all money they get go to their day to day bills.
The fact that ex niji livers have talked about how nice is to have managers and that they didn't knew managers helped that much (there is a matara kan clip) makes this souch worse.
The other thing about the recording, is since Doki is in Canada, she had the legal right to record it anyways
Two party consent is bullshit anyways. It's polite to inform people but if you're discussing work/business, never say anything you think you wouldn't want coming back to bite you
Correct. Criminal Code Article 184 if I'm not mistaken.
Since she was involved with the conversation to begin with, she doesn't need the other person's consent to have a recorded copy. It'd be different if it was a conversation she wasn't involved with and still recorded a copy (technically classified as eavesdropping in a professional/private manner which is illegal) but as it directly involved her according to all things, she's in the clear in a court of law.
Part of it could easily be Vox just playing a stupid game, of which he'd lose if it actually went to court, or being outright fed BS by whoever gave him the information to begin with.
The legality here isn't really what people are concerned about, though
@@wingedswordslayer Vox ate Elira's fetid mimsy.
@@jackieohecc Is morality the concern then? Because needing both parties to consent for recording a conversation is completely and utterly stupid, defeats the entire point of recording in the first place.
Recording is usually done to expose the person being talked to, and given the fact that said person is now dogpiling her by siding with a company proven to be abusive, I wouldn't say she was wrong for doing so
kwite covering nijisanji was not on my bingo card for this year
nah fr 😭
Even Charlie, Mutahar and Zach covered it...
@@user-qk7tk8gj1tzach?
It was on miiiine!
2024 has been such a mess, I'm sure a lot of bingos have been made that shouldn't have
Vox and Ike being in Elira's video wasn't only because Vox is the most popular in Niji En, the 3 of them were besties, collabing multiple times.
Vox and Doki were part of a sub group called "NijiCancelled", them being on the video was to twist the knife.
To make things worse they made the stream at the same time Doki was doing her first game stream and she had to stop her stream to go talk with her lawyer.
Yeah,.I kinda liked them and this has left a sour taste in my mouth.
@@vincentender1486 yeah, that video made me sick tbh I just can't bring myself to watch them again.
Some people have wondered if that video and it's timing was them trying to push Doki into a third attempt so the problem goes away. I don't think any one seriously believes this but at the same time, with Nijikuro, it isn't something that can be ruled out as completely impossible.
knowing Vox and Elira it probably is but unfortunately for them Doki isn't alone anymore she has her manager and lawyer to ask whenever she not sure what to do @@ljjlljjl9212
@@ljjlljjl9212 yeah more than a coincidence it looks calculated. I'm glad most of my oshis graduated there is only 3 more in NijiEn I hope they graduate tho.
Honestly, this video leaves out so much of the context to be charitable to Niji,
Like how 2 of the ex-niji streamers joined Vshojo and implied that they were treated extremely poorly in niji, that management was exceptionally incompetent, hardly doing anything for their talents, and how surprised they were that managers in Vshojo actually asked them what they wanted and how they could help.
How in Niji you only get a 2% merch cut, the rest 98% goes to the company, how less than 10% of their earnings is invested back into the company,
How you aren't allowed to do any content creation outside of Nijisanji, (afaik no other Vtuber company does this).
Niji hiring only students for minimum wage and part-time to do management/translation roles
The numerous cases previously of documented mismanagement, The whole Zion Lanza termination and how poorly that was handled (though in that case there were some public fuckups on Zions part that the termination letter could point to, but it also added what seems to be in hindsight a lot of bogus points, and similarly some of their talents then proceeded to character assassinate her)
How Niji has been bleeding streamers left and right, every single one of them saying that they couldn't accomplish projects and they saw no future in for them working in the company.
How doki stated in her first return stream she spent 200k out of her own pocket paying for projects (that niji should have been paying for) and how she didn't make any profit in 2023.
A similar things was said by K9Kuro of Vshojo, previously Mysta Rias of Niji EN.
How Niji doesn't allow any work outside of Niji, no voice acting, no videos on your personal accounts, no nothing outside of NIji, they want to control your life, as attested to by many people who tried to join Niji but didn't (most notably Cy Yu).
The various cases of stealth suspensions, management tweeting from the streamers accounts pretending to be the streamers.
How in this case, a few days after the music video in question was privated, Selen Tatsuki's account tweeted she was in hospital for an accident and thanking the dragoons for keeping her going, except it turns out that in their own termination letter of her a month later, they said that they took away all access to Selen Tatsuki's accounts from dokibird, so it was managment tweeting about this and not her.
How every single instance of us finding out more about this case has been niji fucking up and doki having to respond.
How the stream with the 3 stooges went up at the exact same time as Dokibird's first ever gaming stream after coming back, intentionally timed to cause maximum harm and forcing her to find out about this live on stream (dokibirds stream was announced days in advanced, the 'a message from NIJI EN' stream was only announced minutes in advanced).
How Elira (the one who's channel this is on) claims that the document had alluded to where her, and 2 other streamers lived (which, obviously you can't call up anime girl Elira Pandora in a legal document), and implied that she was in fear of getting doxxed.
How Vox, a guy who previously ran a charity stream for suicide prevention was the one speaking the most in that 15 min black screen stream, but in this stream was like, don't harass dokibird WHO IS A LIAR AND GASLIGHTER BTW, but no harassment guys, except.
The last guy Ike didn't say much of substance at all, just at the end saying this is a matter for the lawyers! If it was a matter for the lawyers why are you talking about it at all!
Doki only said that it was a toxic work environment, it was NIJI who in their termination letter said that she claimed she was getting harassed by other livers (streamers) within the company, completely throwing their talents under the bus in a witch hunt.
And then these 3 made the livestream, timing it at the same time as doki was streaming, and saying that thier names were in the document, which lead to speculation that why would their names be in the document if they weren't the bullies and harassers (it could be they were witnesses or many other things)
before this livestream all the anger was directed at the faceless corpo, except now all the anger is directed at both the corpo and the 5 people mention in the stream.
In response to this dokibird stated that this was a legal document and it was not supposed to be seen by anyone other than lawyers, to which niji said that they investigated themselves and found that they did nothing wrong, except in more flowery language.
There's a whole bunch of other stuff too for eg. the extreme favouritism, ie. How Elira Pandora got 9/13 merch collabs for her gen, the other 2 members of her gen only got 2 each.
If it went how it's described in this video, people would be a lot more willing to go maybe Selen (dokibird) just didnt work well with Niji's management, but with all this, it paints a very clear picture.
This is a really good summary of the additional shit Niji pulled. We're just gonna get more horrid revelations as time goes by.
Niji was never supposed to pay for Selen's projects. Every company only covers portions of the projects, and the streamers agree to this. Other claims in your comment fall under similar agreements that all other 30+ employees agreed with. Don't pretend to be sharing the truth when it's inconsistent.
@80s_graffiti Yeah, the comment was pretty bad tbh. There's actual reasons to dislike Niji, yet people like this muddy the waters by letting their bias show too much. It's why I hated Nux's coverage of this, too.
People are out here acting like you shouldn't be fired for actively going against company policy or that you can't criticize a person whilst saying you're against harassment. People treating Doki like a saint and Niji like a devil are just harming their own argument. Both sides are grey and should be treated as such.
@@80s_graffiti Except many artists have come forward that Niji didn't pay them when they were supposed to, forcing the talents to pay the artists out of pocket, and also many artists have also come forward stating that NDAs were repeatedly sent by the wrong names, and often would be sent less than 24 hours before the videos were supposed to go live.
And another big point against niji, a piece of fried chicken got a full 3d scan model for hololive before most of the niji EN members.
K9Kuro is getting his own 3d model, he left niji, joined another corpo, and is still getting his 3d model before many of the niji en talents.
@@euphoricdespairbruh. Imagine going around claiming "both sides" when one side caused the other to attempt unalive TWICE.
"I certainly have opinions, my ego demands it"
also him:
"I know that I don't know a lot"
atleast hes honest about it!!
Yeah. I would have thought he would give his opinions on what's happening, but this basically boils down to this is what happened, i don't know what's behind the scene, i don't know what's gonna happen and let's just wait and see.
Honestly I think Kwite is at his best when he’s swinging wildly between insightful and intelligent and internet gremlin.
A true expert must first master humility
Vernation and phighting phans at same time? This is the greatest I've ever seen (this comment is unrelated about the comments or the video)
Selen was david and AnyColor is goliath.
Well Goliath keeps shooting himself in the balls
David was a Shephard who were very skilled at the time with using slings. It's literally a story of a guy coming out and shooting a bigger guy with a shotgun. Stupid story.
nah, niji is face mcshooty from borderlands lmao
@@x-xPhobia Ngl this situation feels like a martyrdom perk moment due to the idea of dropping a bomb upon dying to cause damage, which is kinda what Selen did with their stocks.
@@Niterayde fr this shit wouldn't have snowballed if they just let selen graduate or get termininated then shut up about it.
This whole fiasco got outside of weeb twitter, god… I love the internet.
Kwite, just to put this out there; this does not seem to be the first time Niji has expelled a VTuber under bad circumstances, and then have members make statements. Last year, before I got into VTubing by way of Nux and Nagzz, there was another VTuber that, even though she is now an indie, is still bullied and harassed over making similar allegations of bullying in the company. FalseEyeD, a news VTuber, should have the details on that case.
But yeah, this whole thing has been a shit show. Niji already had an iffy reputation among many people. But this has put it on MANY fans and VTubers' shit list.
People still harass her too and all because of a SA joke that she since apologized for and never repeated, almost like young adults in their early 20's can make mistakes
I don't personally like her cause she's into shotacon (liking little boys or characters that specifically look like little boys, very similar to lolicon) and made jokes about it a lot, it made me very uncomfortable and weirded me out so I don't feel bad for her getting terminated (the SA joke is forgivable, but like her whole streamer personality is like kidnapping and liking little bo- ahem I me 'shotas')
@@bluebean7892 to be fair she had that bit before joining Niji so they knew what they were signing on to lol
@@bluebean7892Did you see the BS reasons why they terminated her? The cited her making a "Sponsored by Raid Shadow Legends" joke for terminating her... ("Lying about being sponsored" they said, pfft) And other BS reasons they made, it's a long ass list.
You're allowed to not like some jokes, but that doesn't justify firing someone for it. That just means you should click off her stream and click on the "do not recommend".
@@HudaefCares I think that Nijikuro's 'lying about being Sponsored' BS was about a 'Deez nuts' joke sponsor thing when there somehow was an actual Dee's Nuts.
I saw this and let out an audible sigh of relief. I've had to explain this situation to so many of my friends (as the person who is actively making a vtuber model I am the one who is the fountain of information about this topic) and now instead of having to cut up the 600 word explanation so I can send it to them on discord, I can just link them this video. My life just got so much easier
(Not sparing them them 300 word rant tho. They get to read that)
yo could you send the rant here tho? I’d like to read it myself.
I would also like to see
Uh. Have fun with this lol. Warning you now that this is very much my personal thoughts and opinions, and thus is very heavily tinted by my own biases (also this is literally just exactly what I sent to my friends, so the phrasing might be a little odd)
So like first of all, its all totally fu cked. Everyone. Like niji en is going down the drain and literally nothing can stop it. Which is totally deserved, but also I listened to the statements that Vox, Ike and Elira and like it all just feels so corporate and fake and not at all something that they wanted to say. It reads to me as a situation where either they could follow what niji tells them, and read out a script slandering doki, or lose their jobs. And like yeah that's probably wishful thinking but I loved Ike, and I used both of their models as inspiration for my own (literally I have a photo of Vox's model pulled up rn and it hurts a lil to look at). And dude I am actually praying so hard that this is not what they wanted to say, because it really really doesn't see like it is. And it sucks as someone who watched them (sort of, they stream at wack times for me) to like hear them say this shit and part of me is really really hoping that they can somehow move past it, leaving niji or the vtubing community altogether (sucks, but probably the best option as of now) or somehow say that "hey guys, I didn't want to say that, and my job and livelihood was being threatened if I didn't." Because I really did enjoy some of their content and fu ck man, it sucks to see them have to lose support so quickly and say words that seem so out of character for them. And also the Vox accusations of grooming genuinely kinda terrify me. I've had creators I like be accused of things like that and have their names absolutely smeared only for it to come out that they were actually completely innocent. And like just in general the whole situation is super frustrating and I really just want a solid answer out of someone, be it Niji, Doki, Ike, Vox or literally anyone. Also, niji needs to get the fu ck up and stop using their talents as meat shields, because none of them fu cking deserve that
Anti TLDR, just read your whole rant and on the Vox PL stuff, it's shaping up to likely be bad but not like go to jail for pe*o stuff bad. Because the gaslighting and manipulation stuff seems likely true but the grooming and interactions with minors incorrect or misinformed in the sense that it seems he was also a minor at the time he was talking to fans that were also minors so not pe*o stuff but like... So still absolutely not great but at least not criminal activity (the bar for conduct with e-personalities is in the Mariana Trench, how have we reached this point)
@@celceusiguess That's actually really relieving to know. Both I and another friend of mine (who I am converting into a vtuber fan) went looking for more info on it after I saw in mentioned on a comments on one of Khyo's videos about the whole topic, but neither of us could really find anything. It's nice to know that's not entirely horrible, even if it's not the best.
(And really, not entirely horrible is the best anyone can hope for in this mess)
As a dragoon, it's very exciting to see the wider UA-cam community rally behind Doki. I only hope that some of the eyes on her from all this drama will watch some of her streams, she's one of the funniest and most genuine vtubers I've ever watched. Fly high, birb queen!
I don’t like apex TT I enjoy watching her enjoy but I can’t get into it….
That's valid tbh, battle royales don't really appeal to me but I love listening to her have fun with it while I do other stuff
@@syntheskeleton ye :)
her redebut was really nice and had a good vibe.. so much I didnt want her to even read her 'statement' in that one... but yeah... I am just not that into apex / first person shooter games which is mostly what I've seen hey play.
Just remember not to harass anybody, as Doki has requested so.
12:54 It is stated in screenshots, that were meant to stay private but were shared by nijisanji, that the permissions they needed to acquire were bc of the ex-talents of the company (of whom thier likeness is owned by the company not the ex-employee). Selen sent the video for approval and was not responded to for 36 hours.
The confidential document that was shared with Niji's lawyers was an HR complaint, which it was in fact signed confidential as Doki confirmed on stream. It really was never supposed to be shared with her ex-coworkers. It is stated that she was pushed to the point she was mentally after long standing bullying/harassment from staff and coworkers, so the information the livers shared about who was named in the document is damning.
As someone who's been following this as it's been happening, Kwite is very generous with how he presents everything. The order in which things released really did effect how it was taken in real time.
Something that is also not mentioned is how she lost over 200k in the last year working at Nijisanji. She had to pay for all her assets and events during that time and found out only recently after talking with an accountant that she made no profit last year.
Oh and a correction, the company's stock has dropped 18% since the termination of Selen Tatsuki
Edit: please do not engage the person in the replies mirroring misinformation similar to that spread by Daph
Yeah, I guess this video was just a summary of the whole thing, because man is it lukewarm in presenting things. I don't know what you'd get from this unless you have literally no idea about anything that was happening in the space.
@@Desregaurd yeah I think it is more so to introduce this situation to a wider audience, but it just happens to miss several details I feel are important context to the situation
Selen was never supposed to be reimbursed for her spending. She and everyone else know and agree to this.
@@80s_graffiti maybe she did know, but that doesn't make it right. A company is suppose to invest in their talents.
Like would you do that in any other job? If you're having to pay out of pocket to do a job someone else hired you for, you're being scammed
Apparently not only doki had to pay for all the things she did but all the other talents too, from events to anniversaries to vr chat models, everything is paid out of their own pocket, niji doesn't cover anything
12:43 this is actually not the case due to the fact that niji as a company owns the rights to the ip entirely so it would be as simple as management saying "its fine go ahead"
Exactly. Anycolor isn't going to sue Anycolor. It is just politeness to ask for permission, not a mandatory thing within the company.
This should be pinned. Talents have NO control over their IPs. They're exclusively owned and controlled by Nijisanji.
Also the project has been ongoing for over a year.
@@ShapeshifterOS Interesting how the issue was over ex-members being in it. Especially when two of them just so happened to have joined a new company not long after leaving Nijisanji and many people inferred from their statements how much better it was than working for Nijisanji.
@@TheSkyheart5 true and nijisanji stated in their official statement of her termination that the video was privated due to copyright issues and the 15mins hit piece on Elira's channel stated that the issue was the former livers appearing in the content meaning the copyright owner of the material that has copyright issues happens to be them hahah like what???? hahahaha
I've seen this all over twitter and it got sad when nijisanji was using selens account when she was in the hospital cause they control her account social accounts and when they tweeted her termination that was the first time her hearing she was terminated she thought she was just gonna leave peacefully. also the funny thing about the black company thing is theres a wiki with all the black companies and someone edited it and put nijisani on the wiki
Mind you the termination came out less than 2 hours after Selen and her lawyers tried to contact Niji’s lawyer for her follow-up reports / documents of alleged bullying (cmiiw)
I still don't understand why they couldn't just say "Hey this is Selen's manager. Selen will be taking a break due to personal issues that we don't feel is appropriate for us to divulge. Please be patient and wait for her return. We will keep you updated the best we can." Or something. Why not be transparent instead of impersonating their streamers?
@@LOLE1810 You assume too much in nijiEN's competence.. Everything so far, everything to ever come out about Niji management has painted a very stark picture 'NijiEN management is incompetent' and I don't even think it's NijiEN management's fault.. because supposedly alot of the NijiEN management is rolled-over employment contracts from a closed down division of livers..
@@ThatWhichObserveseven Niji JP has had some glaring management issues if you look into the virtual talent academy for example
@@ThatWhichObserves Oh i know that Niji is a shitshow. I just find that impersonating your talent after she made an attempt on her life to be really down the shitter of unprofessionalism. Like i have no experience when it comes to PR but even i feel like i could bullshit my way to doing a better job than that.
I don't know if this is a cultural difference or language barrier but everything out of this company since the termination of Yugo has been weird from a pr perspective
While yes, I 100% agree with you about the lack of proof and information in everything here, I'm inclined to believe in Doki a lot more than in Niji because of everything that ex-members says about their experiences there. While a lack of concrete proof is disconcerting, a lot of witnesses saying very similar things in an ample amount of time indicates that there is something fishy going on there. Oh, and the fact that I doubt someone would try to off themselves because of small things. As an example: I don't remember hearing bad things about Hololive's management from ex-members, and even Holo's termination events aren't as agressive as Niji's, even when the streamer did some insane contract breaches (Rushia). Every indirect thing points towards to Niji management's incompetence. Doki most likely ignored management's orders, I don't doubt that, but it's hard to fault her when all we hear from ex-members is how bad, slow and petty niji's management is.
Yea i was thinking this too. Someone new to this situation wouldn’t fully understand why everyone is so behind doki and against niji without the missing context. People were already upset with and distrustful towards niji before this all went down which is why there was such an explosive reaction.
@@ELOWORA Selen's termination was trully the Ferdinand's assassination of the vtuber community.
25:23.
Wait a minute
I remember Mysta saying that he has been wanting to graduate for months before he was allowed to. Does that not contradict what Vox said about graduating whenever the talents want?
Vox forgot about that
Indeed. Outside of terminations, the process to graduate is lengthy. Vox is clearly lying about it and it's likely it's whatever's on the script he's reading. People think it's his words and it technically is, if it wasn't ran through Niji's PR and lawyers.
13:00 The galaxy brains at Nijisanji released screencaps showing that Doki asked for approval a week in advance, and was ghosted by her manager. They can't stop incriminating themselves.
And the reason why she wasn't given the go signal was because it included an ex-talent's IP that the company, Nijisanji themselves, owns like jfc 😂 Clown company fr man
@@Pomelochoco I mean, this company ain't like Vshojo who let's the talents they cultivate leave with their Persona, Model and brand if they decide to part with the company.
Niji owns the Vtubers as brands. I find it very strange they cannot give the go ahead in half a day or a day tops
Doki showed herself to be the bigger person here. Oh man... Good thing we didn't lose her. I loved Selen. I am happy that she is happier now & got to 500K subs already. Meanwhile Niji out there acting like her sufferings were a joke and the company is the victim... Nijisanji is a black company fr fr.
I caught some parts of her kurosanji streams and whenever she laughed it felt forced... now hearing her laughter it sounds natural and free so I followed her Doki channels
There so much backstabbing happening in kurosanji lol.
@@AmbasingKam-dr6yu Least toxic idol corp /hj
“Oh man this Nijisanji situation isn’t looking good I can’t imagine how it could get dragged any more-“
“AND HERE COMES KWITE WITH THE STEEL CHAIR”
As someone who is not involved with this situation at all, (in fact this is the first im hearing of it), i truly just think that i can't trust what 3 of the biggest streamers in a company that has a strangle hold on anything and everything they say are telling the truth. A Japanese company being horrible to their workers is not a surprise. It feels like if disney got in a bad situation and instead of their pr team handling it they had chris pratt come out in a starlord outfit and say "this is what i truly think"
Moist Critical made more in depth videos on this issue. Kwite barely scratches the surface.
@@ShapeshifterOS huh i got the opposite impression. maybe it's because charlie isn't a vtuber and just read points of someone who's knowledgeable on this topic. but his video is much clearer and "beginner friendly"
As someone invested in this situation you are correct, it is very suspicious that their largest streamers happened to be the ones that made the announcement and it is possible Elira at least may have been pressured into it as she just moved into Japan. I also personally feel that is is very unprofessional making the streamers say what the management should be saying and it’s suspicious how open they left the streamers to attack by leaving the comments open
@@sockseater He actually owns his own talent agency and is more in the know about these things than you may think.
@@ShapeshifterOS ooh right he mentioned that, i forgot
because doki lives in canada the recordeing is completly legal with only one party concenting (her) as much as it may make someone upset its legal
Spelled "consenting", just trying to politely correct. Have a good day!
[Warning: HUGE wall of text. Sorry.] It is unlikely that you'll see this comment but if you do - first, thank you for the comprehensive coverage. As someone who was a NijisanjiEN fan a long time I've been following this drama since it began and I feel like you covered it comprehensively and in a relatively objective manner. That said, I did want to point out one thing that didn't seem to get much coverage in your video - and that is why, exactly, the general public is incensed at Nijisanji not just for their termination of Selen but also, in particular, the "black screen" stream that was posted to Elira's channel and how the situation was handled.
Up until the point Selen was terminated by Nijisanji and went back to being Dokibird she had been radio silent. Doki attributes this to her attempting to work through things privately with Nijisanji and not wanting to air these issues publicly for fear of how the public might respond to both her and the livers at NijiEN. Despite this, when Nijisanji terminated her, they published what many viewed to be, essentially, a three-page character assassination piece which dragged many of the claims she had made privately into the public domain. It is important to note again that, up until this point, Doki had made NO public statements about the situation or implicating Nijisanji or its livers. The first public statement to come out about these claims was from Nijisanji themselves. Doki, feeling compelled to respond, made her first public statement - the one-paragraph rebuttal where she informed her fans that she was hospitalized due to a suicide attempt and claimed that this attempt was the result of internal bullying and a toxic environment. Once again, at NO POINT did Doki implicate individual livers.
This was the only public statement Doki would make on the matter up until approximately a week later when, on Feb 12, Elira Pendora of NijisanjiEN announced that they would be hosting a livestream in *30 minutes* from the announcement time to discuss the "current events" surrounding Selen's termination. Right off the bat there is one really important thing to note about this livestream - specifically, that it was scheduled to go live at the EXACT SAME TIME that Dokibird was set to go live to do her first gaming stream since return. As Dokibird scheduled her gaming stream an entire week in advance and it was heavily publicized many people viewed this "overlap" in start times as targeted/intentional. Still, when the stream was going live, many people were expecting a PR-related stream apologizing about recent events and asking for patience and support. What actually transpired in the stream, however, left Selen/Dokibird and Nijisanji fans alike appalled and incensed. In the stream three of Nijisanji's TOP LIVERS - Elira Pendora, Vox Akuma, and Ike Eveland - took private legal documents that Doki's lawyers had sent to Nijisanji, and who had never intended for them to be made public, and aired them publicly claiming that they feared Doki would use them to dox the livers. They further accused Doki of lying in these prior-to private documents, and then went on to share internal communications (something that Nijisanji could fire an individual talent for doing without their approval) that were heavily cropped and used them to suggest that everything which transpired was the fault of Selen's poor time management/ability to follow rules, instructions, and deadlines.
After 15 minutes of this the stream ends. Following the stream, and after she is made aware of it, Dokibird would then go on to cancel the remainder of her stream due to the negative head space this had caused her and due to a need to discuss the event with her lawyer. Needless to say this stream left a VERY negative impression on many of the people in the audience and general public (the like to dislike ratios and the comments speak for themselves). Far from being a PR statement and being conciliatory in any way, the stream was a.) targeted to interrupt Dokibird's return gaming stream, b.) discussing private legal documents that Dokibird's lawyer had sent to them and c.) was making every effort to paint her as a rule breaker and someone who threatened their safety. In short it was a hit piece - and this hit piece came AFTER the company and the livers knew of the attempts Dokibird had made on her life and the negative headspace she was in. Put another way, it came across to many people as a manifestation of the bullying and harassment Dokibird had been referring to all along - but this time out in the public.
And that's it. I know this was a huge wall of text and I apologize but I feel like this context is really important in explaining why there is currently so much backlash and so much vitriol being aimed at NijisanjiEN. This isn't so much a matter of who is right and who is wrong anymore - it's a matter of how NijiEN handled this situation and how they came across as publicly targeting and harassing a former liver and co-worker who had already attempted to take her own life - not once but twice - and who was trying to move on.
It's wild how professional and mature Doki's responses look, compared to Niji's. How can a company as big as that, f up their PR so hard?
Their en pr/management team is apparently those 3 on the blank screen and a few of the host's close friends who work in that company (nepotism)
Judging from the job postings by Niji it seems like management positions are paid minimum wage despite requiring fluency in at least 2 languages as well as being expected to fulfill management duties. In my experience trying to cheap out on pay for positions that require very in demand skill sets leads to only being able to retain employees that are extremely incompetent. Anyone who's even a little bit good just leaves for a better job as soon as they can.
They just dont really care. Nijisanji had always been a soulless cashgrab, or so I feel. To clarify, Im not speaking about the vtubers themselves but the actual company, but Nigisanji always rubbed me as band-wagoners on the vtuber craze who just want to drain out a quick buck, not actually wanting to invest in the industry to keep the industry going. It is a parasite company, if it goes down, the higher ups can just easily jump ship and let the "peons" drown.
Vox comparing the yeeting a $15k project to managers asking him to delete tweets as proof that there is no favoritism in the en branch is all I need to know about what he sincerely feels about this situation hahaha he did say that I should take everything he said in that 15mins hit piece at face value so I'll gladly comply hahahaha
V-tuber companies like these remind me of stories of indie bands that got fucked over by their record label and faded into obscurity
Solid video, but there is a lot of context excluded (understandably) that makes Niji's side not believable that honestly takes a whole ass essay to explain.
There's been an exodus of many top talents over the last year due to restrictions and creative differences to put it nicely. Along with the Zaion termination nearly a year ago after which a couple months she dropped a whole ass document detailing the internal issues, which some believed, some didn't due to her being edgy and only being there a few months, but after the Selen stuff it's pretty clear she was right.
DAMNN I’ve heard about this situation then and there but you KNOW it’s a full shitshow when even Kwite makes an allegations video about it.
SO MANY UNEXPECTED UA-camRS COVERING THIS HELP
It's so joever for kurosanji😭😭😭
They were fucked once zack covered it. He speaks to many many normies
@@Niterayde Apologies for this dumb question but who is zack? (·¸.˛·)
@@AluminaStar oh XD asmongold
@@Niterayde OH HIM...Yeah it's so fucked lol
@@Niteraydeeven Charlie covered it, it's massive double joever
EVEN KWITE?!
Guys, Nijisanji EN is really over.
Even people who'd we expect that won't give a shit about this, gives a shit about this.
It was a rotting corpse already, only now it’s starting to stink
Anyone with a proper moral upbringing and empathy for others would have some comments about the err issues
penguinz0 covered it, Kwite covered it... yeah i think niji is DONEZO.
One thing left out here was that Vox spent his entire segment of that obviously pre-recorded and scripted video talking about how he was the victim.
That's why nobody believes anything Niji says. Because not once have any of them actually given any shits at all that their supposed friend tried to sudoku twice.
I don't know much about the situation but the response from the other streamers signed to Niji sounds like peak PR damage control. They're throwing allegations back towards Doki so they can cover their own asses and keep their cushy streamer spots, and that video was probably planned well in advance by a full board of lawyers and PR pros. It's sickening to see what happens when someone's mental issues can't be acknowledged due to corporate interests.
I doubt PR pros would recommend that. First, the situation would have slowly died down if they left it alone. Second, they put three of their biggest stars in the crossfire when it was all speculation as to who was harassing Doki, and then they start the stream at the same time Doki is starting her own stream, just to deliver a message that is basically saying Doki wasn't as great a person as you think she is.
@@TheSkyheart5 Two things to note. Nijisanji is a Japanese company. Work culture, defamation laws, and especially how PR is handled is different in the West. The other thing is that this is an international dispute, with language barriers, different time zones, and foreign laws.
after Mutahar, Charlie, and Pyro, and now Kwite??? man, Niji EN is really fumbled hard on this one.
I hope Internet Historian will be next to cover this kerfuffle
if Optimus would cover this topic, its Nijiover.
Also asmonbald talk about this.
@@kraizerxthesimp46 why? You just watched it.
Muta is how I found out about this. What this company done to this young lady is downright disgusting. Bullying her to where she almost lost her life, that really hit me personally and angered me. I honestly believe there needs to be major investigations into these Vtuber agencies as it seems to be a common trend. Makes you wonder what else these young women are going through.
Is everyone on this Nijisanji hate train? Did not expect Kwite to know about this scandal as in depth as he covers
I mean it’s pretty huge
there's a group of Niji defenders who made a Discord to slander and harass Dokibird. They are even getting paid with Steam cards to do it lmao.
to be fair kwite as also a vtuber
@@DethG3 woooowwww how pathetic must one be to stoop to being paid in STEAM CARDS (OMEGADANCEBUTSOFUCKINGFASTITSUNREAL) to harass a vtuber that just wants to play Neopets?
I mean someone almost died, call it a hate train if you like but what's happened is a serious matter
As somebody who's back on their SCP brain as of late hearing Kwite reference Keter classes breaching containment made my monkey brain do a pog.
Same, I heard Keter and did a double take. I love how the internet collectively seems to know about SCP but is rarely referenced. Been listening to TheVolgun narrate SCP articles as I was working and it has be glorious.
@@DaJodad I've been going back to watch a lot of The Exploring Series's videos on SCPs and it's been great.
I watched his vid on SCP-7000 before bed, really good story!
@@RJS2003 I used to listen to SCP articles before bed, but some of those things are disturbing in ways that don't hit me till I turn off the lights and my brain starts to conjure up spooks in the dark lmao
@@DaJodad I used to be the same but with horror movies. At least now though I'm pretty numb to my brain pulling funnies on me like that.
Damn Kwite Nijisanji video before yansim update
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Geez, YanSim's probably gonna be done when the heat death of the universe comes.
@@joeiechristiansantana9641 It's stupid to think it'd ever be completed, but I do find Alex's batshit insane stubbornness amusing tbh. He has exactly one thing going for him and it's his inability to quit.
@@jayemover_16Well, he still gets patron money in the end so why not keep going? Yansim is his one claim to fame. He’s like the Billy Mitchel of game development.
I was sympathetic towards Doki at first but nothing much deeper.
But after these three VTubers, Elira, Vox & Ike stream-sniped Doki's Neopets stream with their black screen Doki-slander, I was convinced that there was internal bullying. I was bullied before, so my instincts are picking up that these people just hate the fact that Doki is successful. So much so that they stopped her from streaming and having a successful day.
The Kurosanji stock price actually dropped by nearly 20% since the whole thing started. Which make them panic
Niji said it would be negligible, literally the biggest thing that has ever happened in the vtuber community. Fantastic move tbh.
I literally cannot believe this. I was unaware of this until now, but I've now unsubscribed from every single nijisanji related channel in existence.
I assume you either didn't use Xwitter or didn't follow VTuber news then.
Check out Moist Critical's coverage of this. Far more in depth, Nux also corroborated apparently speaking with Moist on this. Nux covered this as well.
Don't know why but I've blocked nux... wonder why? Follow the birb she is finally laughing freely
Oooooooooh. This is big. Its reached Kwite on a level he wants to talk about it. At this point that means literally everyone on the web knows about this.
I've seen Critikal, Mutahar, and Pyrocynical cover this already. And all are calling out Niji's BS.
When popular channels that didn't know about Niji prior and didn't give a damn about vtubers--therefore attributing to their lack of bias--start hopping on to tell you what you did is messed up, it's not looking good for your argument.
Just 2 points that I want to talk on, if I haven't misunderstood something.
1. As far as I know, Doki has never publicly stated that there was bullying from other livers, just that there was internal bullying.
2. You say Doki can show evidence of her trying to leave Nijisanji, since she made it public knowledge. This is wrong, as you might notice, she never mentions Selen, Niji or Anycolor by name and has to be vague with her statements, as she is under a NDA, and would defiently get sued to hell and back the second she breaches it.
It is her lawyer that advised her not too. There's also the dystopian Japanese defamation laws that Niji has set a precedent of abusing.
Thanks for covering this I never have any idea what is happening there
31:22 Doki actually cannot share communications between herself and Nijisanji staff as her contract prevents her from stating that she is the talent behind Selen Tatsuki. This also keeps her from sharing a bunch of other stuff, but she obviously doesn’t really want to anyway.
Nijisanji has been the subject of the schizophrenic scrutiny of image boards for more than a year now. Selen's termination was very similar to Zaion Lanza's, another Nijisanji streamer terminated acrimoniously in 2023.
Basically, the denizens of the image boards mostly sided with Zaion, speculating that Nijisanji's English branch is a toxic environment rife with personal harassment, mostly dominated by a small clique.
What this shitshow demonstrates is that the schizos were mostly right! By attempting to deflect the blame away, Nijisanji unwittingly admitted to a lot of those speculations.
Which is why the schizos went into overdrive to craft a "grand unifying narrative" (aka Gurrat), a collage of speculations and barely proven half truths that explains the behavior of all actors in a strangely satisfying manner. The main gist of the Gurrat is that NijiEN management was completely sidelined by members that could communicate in fluent Japanese, particularly Elira Pendora. Nijisanji's consistent troubles with EN-JP translations indicate a lack of proper bilingual managers on NijiEN, and maybe even a lack of proper translators. This allowed the clique to centralize all communications with the JP brass and basically seize power for themselves.
This explains why that strange black video went live on Elira's channel: as the de facto ringleader of the clique, she had the most to lose if shit hits the fan. This also explains why Vox (as he admitted in his own words ) had full access to Doki's documents, once Elira realized how much dirt Doki had on everyone, she needed allies that could help her defend the company (and her position), and what better way to convince Vox to cooperate than to leak the dox to him.
The scary part is they are more believable and make more sense than Niji ever did or does. Don't underestimate the collective power of autism as after all they were right about the apostrophe that most non Japanese people don't have access to meaning the manager was skin walking as them when they were stealth suspended. Like literally the difference in patterns of speech or typing and it was proven right. The rrats are winning honestly as their collective pattern recognition is unbeatable
I genuinely love how Kwite is doing this type of content, because he genuinely does it really well, his type of humor and video style fits very nicely into it
Yes!!! I love goofy kwite but serious kwite is honestly my favorite. He’s very engaging and easy to understand.
I would like to compare this situation with one of Rushia/Hololive.
It was a bit messy, but it was pretty agreed on that Rushia acted emotionally and broke her contract by leaking information and also has a bit of a history for being mentally unwell (something that has spread to her Mikeneko account). Hololive during that time were going out of their way to try to help her til the contract breach and they couldn't legally keep her. Rushia wasn't a "nobody," but their highest superchat earner in the company, but had to let her go.
Despite the drama that followed, Hololive kept it professional and didn't throw her under the bus like Niji is doing by trying to appeal to our "emotions" to save face.
Let's also mention a very recent termination with Hololive, Yozora Mel. She also broke her contract and let go, but it was amicable with her being allowed to say goodbye to everyone on Twitter.
No childish fighting that's damaging the company and other streamers. No shit-talking or pettiness. Both of those girls are moving on in their own way.
Good job. Probably the most objective coverage of the scandal that I've seen so far. Regarding your concern that neither side is showing receipts - private communications between Nijisanji members and staff are confidential by contract, so to air the laundry they need permission from the big bosses in Tokyo. Doki has almost certainly been locked out of all Selen-related accounts both public and private since at least a couple of weeks before the termination, so it's unlikely she has access to a message history. So far the corporate office hasn't shown any interest in settling personal vendettas, so it seems they're inclined to leave it for the lawyers to work out.
Ahh, don't forget a key part of Niji's response. They ADMITTED to the bullying going on. The talent that issued that statement also did so because they were directed implicated in the document as per their statements. That is to say they just publicly self reported. As to the document and the access granted to said talent by the company... Do they not get that they are under contract as employees of the company and still would fall under the legal NDA that they broke releasing private information in a private legal case to the public at large?
32:38 Sometimes when you're in a bad mental place and have a couple people bullying you it can feel like everyone is out to get you. If somone is concerned about self destructive things you are doing and they keep trying to reach out, it can sometimes feel like you're being harassed in a way. If this person was being mistreated by the company or felt like they were, they might of become paranoid about the other employees being out to get them.
I don't know anything about this person so this is just a observation from things I've personally experienced with my own mental health. I genuinely hope they are doing okay and are getting the mental help they need now because it seems like they had more going on then just this.
She is getting therapy, after the attempts, she also has a good manager now (Mr. Man) who formerly managed xqc, is also receiving a lot of love from her/us dragoons
What's telling is the experiences of other fellow Niji members. Almost all of them felt oppressed as Nijisanji workers. It isn't a total black company but it is sadly very normal to be harrassed and/or manipulated to sacrifice yourself for the company and for the sake of the higher ups.
The people that were outted contained some of her closest friends in the company, at least from what we can tell from collabs and public relations.
I'm sorry you have gone through that.
Having said that, your menhera doesn't change the fact that narcissistic and sociopathic people will latch onto neurodivergent people and mentally abuse them. Sometimes the abuse is veiled as "correction" (I'm not trying to be funny) and that abuse is evil, done intentionally or otherwise, as it can cause literal brain damage from stress and brain inflamation.
In this case, the person tried to take their own life... twice. Her BPD is definitely a factor in all of this, but it's clearly NOT the entire story and clearly her colleagues are not innocent by any margin.
Thankfully she is now showing clear signs of recovery even if the symptoms from the abuse are freshly present. She is powerful now that she is finally free.
I'm glad she's doing better and I hope she continues to heal. It's super great that she has you guys and other loyal fans to support her. I hope others will speak out and leave the company because hurting their profit more is the only way to make changes. I hope she has some close friends that she can actually trust and confide in. I can't imagine what she went through but I know what it's like the fight a war in your own head and I sympathize with anyone who can relate. Sending love and peace her way. 💕
As a small, indie vtuber, the idea that it is possible for virtual anime characters to lead to major investors selling huge amounts of stock is both hilarious and slightly concerning.
On doki recording convo: Canada has a law that says it is legal to record a conversation at work as long as one of the parties involved consent, that party includes Doki herself so she is legally allowed to do this without full disclosure. Since vtubing is a stay at home job, the laws kind of mesh in with each other since there are laws against recording on private property or in your home without consent of the full party but since she works from home and it is a work recording by technicality it is legal. Not sure what significance the recording has, but she lives in Canada and has her right to do this
I'm actually glad kwite talked about this, the points he raised here put my mind at ease and it reminded me that there is no clear picture for us observers. The main phrase that unironically stick to me the most is, "We just dont know", and I dont think we even have the right to since we aren't actively involved, just an audience to an evergrowing stage being lit on fire.
Honestly being a Niji-hater for over a year and having this happen is terrible. I am glad a lot of people are finally are coming around to my view considering how much drama and mismanagement this company has gotten into. However this is such a monkey paw situation to cause it. This is not drama, a person made multiple attempts on their life. I wish I could say something like "I hope management can get their act together" but honestly hope for an improvement is long gone in my opinion.
Some things to note not mentioned in this video:
Niji has come under fire before for a toxic work place environment before from others who have left the company.
Niji also for some reason dropped those two videos the day of Doki's first game stream within 5 minutes of her starting causing her to shut it down early and get off. Which is suspicious af timing wise almost feeling like a jab at Doki.
Finally what Doki states is VERY similar to Xion's termination where she claimed very similar things to Doki bird (Now her situation was very VERY different BUT the fact that it's been claimed multiple times is something to note.)
These have really buried Niji's popularity for good reason.
If anything Doki's statement to "Not make it High school" is the best thing to take away from this imo.
oh shit, my favorite slop creator is covering a huge major development in slop! I love my slop
The distaste towards Niji is on top of information about poor percentage cuts for talents, no salary, and poor management from past Niji streamers. If it's one person, it's unique, if its 5+ people, it becomes a pattern. Poor income on top of poor management is ripe for a toxic workplace. There was also favoritism for certain streamers seeing the distribution percentage of specialty collaborations. Elira had a large portions of collaborations that probably brought more income for select streamers compared to Selen and Pomu who were more popular than Elira. Selen and Pomu were also specifically passed over for their respective dream collaborations which is strange. Pomu specifically mentions a manager rejected her dream collab with a company without allowing any room for negotiation for Pomu in a stream and this stream was specifically taken down by management. Putting it kindly, Nijisanji's management is so poor it's detrimental in supporting their streamers. They don't promote events, the don't help find funding, and they don't do secretarial tasks for livers. They don't seem to do anything besides approve and deny things on a extremely slow timeline, missing a streamer's intended deadline. No other company does this strange snail pace, incompetent work pipeline.
The crazy part is that this is exclusively on EN's side. I get Nijisanji is based in Japan and caters to Japanese audience more but, the only explanation is that JP highers up completely disrespects the EN branch and market. JP livers have ofc complained as well but at least their management can get their shit together and pull off TV programs, radio programs, and regular 3D streams.
@@synckar6380I genuinely do wonder if the management might have language barrier IE only hires Japanese with a very strong clique culture
Since the full on rejection unless you make your bones for the company by giving up massive amounts of money for projects I think a couple of the reports I’ve seen floating around is 100-300K from a couple people that bounced and talked about their debts
Is particularly MLM scam territory
Glad you covered this! A big piece of evidence towards doki being legit in her claims is several other ex-niji streamers (Nina Kosaka/Matara Kan, Mista Ryas/K9Kuro, Zaion Lanza/Sayu, Pomu Rainpuff, Mika, and a few others im probably forgetting) have all corroborated in some way or another severe mismanagement and favoritism problems in Nijisanji, and in the case of some leading to severe personal problems. Especially Zaion, Nina, and Mista, the first if which had a similar smear campaign esque comments dropped by other niji talents which in hindsight is a carbin copy of what hapoened to doki. Matching similarly how msny claims of misconduct were dropped, with no evidence to back it up. Im not as familiar with Zaion but i believe after this dropped she made simmilar remarks about betrayal, bullying, and harassment within the company. For the next 2 Nina mentioned multiple times after joining a new agency (Vshojo) as Matara Kan suffering from intense burnout and being made to feel worthless by various people at Niji (codenamed "Hollywood"). In the case of Mista, now Kuro with the same agency as Matara, he mentions similar overworking conditions as well as IIRC the financial burdens upon him personally as a result of nijis mismanagement leading to extreme tax problems (only resolving those via the help of Ironmouse and Vshojo's behind the scenes team, athough for obvious reasons the specifics arent public knowledge). Many of these claims lining up so to point many to believe an internal clique being present (3 suspects of which were the streamers who made the niji) consisting of the "favorites" of niji management who would bully and gaslight other talents. Although this is highly alleged and should be taken with a grain of salt, it is alarmingly noticeable that these claims may have decent merrit to them after this selen/doki PR disaster.
Its also worth noting many, myself included, believe Nijisanji massively self reported as in the video on Eliras channel they name drop several livers as ones Doki was "Attacking" and "Doxxing". However, Doki has never released any names or even mentioned other talents in any of her public statements. This combined with an almost perfect match to the aforementioned rumors, further implicating nijis wrongdoing here, and backing up the bullying claims made by Doki.
Additionally it is worth noting allegedly the talent only recives 1-2% of merch, and is primarily left to pay for their own assets unless you are a chosen favorite. This among the numerous creative blockades and strings of red tape being citied by many ex-niji streamers (including the ones mentioned above) as a strong catalyst to leave. The company apparently also with several artists and other creative commissions has a long track record of mismanagement and unprofessionalism, including multiple artists reporting NDAs with incorrect titles, names, and other critical information.
Niji also was attempting to sneak membership money "under the rug" by choosing to keep Memberships to selen's channel open and active, as to not have to refund for the month of February, which as far as im aware is not the normal procedure and is shady at best.
Overall, not a great image for Niji (also if i missed anything or got any of the details wrong, feel free to add more in the replys)
Wow, even Kwite covering the Selen/Doki v. Nijisanji Drama. It's so over for Kurosanji.
I did not expect Kwite to cover this topic.
The only permissions that they were waiting for was to be allowed to feature some previously graduated Nijisanji livers. So she was waiting for Nijisanji to get the rights to use Nijisanji property.
As someone who’s been a longtime nijisanji viewer, I sort of saw this coming in hindsight. I always thought niji’s complete control over their vtuber talents was a bit odd but I never looked too much into it. I had seen mentions a few times of people saying niji mistreated their talents and didn’t pay them enough but I never thought it would get THIS bad. I was a longtime viewer but it’s safe to say I will definitely not be watching any nijisanji vtubers anymore.
If you guys want to support the ex-nijisanji vtubers who are flourishing now, I recommend watching matara-kan (formerly nina kosaka), k9 kuro (formerly mysta rias, my oshi), and of course, dokibird!
There's a clipper channel called Rainbow Retirees that clips ex-kurosanji talents on their post-niji personas.
Damn, you know Nijisani is that BAD, LIKE REALLY BAD when Kwite & other V-tubers or almost everyone on youtube are covering it, genuinely don't see the company recovering from this or even going absolute bankruptcy.
They stil have the jp main branch, so IDK if they can go completely dead.
If this was Niji first time then i think they can paint their in the good light but the problem is not. And the most stupid thing is they did exactly the same method and the same strategy right now againts Doki like they used againt Zaion back then.
For example the video statement with Vox, Elira and Ike right now, they also did it with Finana and Kotoka back then againts Zaion.
Vox and Eliara word right now in the statement video have the same intention with word that come out from Finana mouth during Zaion termination. Their intention ofcouse to reverse the role to make them as the victim of the terminated member. The word betrayed used now also used back then during Zaion termination. Trying to pointed the liver as problematic child also used back then.
The difference between Selen/Doki with Zaion/Sayu is that Doki have been with company long enough and have good reputation from the fans even from neutral, when Sayu is not since she just with the company in short time and have bad reputation among fans during her time.
But they both have same experience and the same treatment by the company.
So it just Niji stupidity that cause it's not really start with Selen but really start with the ID member that been merger that give so much clue to their fans about how bad the company are. Only in ID a member graduate and put a thumbnail of her character free from the sackle. Only in ID they turn minecraft stream to funeral when Niji still on the top of the cloud. Only in ID a liver said the need to prepare for her grave because the ship is kinda shinking when Niji is on their golden time.
Everything bad in Niji right now is something that been there for a long time, but in EN side is exploded right now.
A big point that isn't addressed in this video is that Dokibird wanted all of this to be private, but Nijisanji choose to make it public to have themselves look better to the public
Tazumi's video probably would have had a more positive impact if it wasn't preceded by Elira/Vox/Ike making a stream of "Yeah it's bad that she tried to kill herself, but have you considered she didn't get video perms?"
Wait, Vox and Ike did that?
This is probably the best video I've seen on the situation!
At first, I was scared when I saw that you've also made a video about all of this, as most of the videos I've seen include speculation that paints NijiEN's streamers in a negative way. I've been a fan of their talents for a long time, but their management really messed up this time. As you said, we do not have access to essential information about their communication prior to this, and I really hate to see that some streamers are being harassed by toxic Vtuber fans based on the claims of either side
oooo been meaning to get around to a video about this, good to see a video under an hour
Mo1st Cr1tikal also made a video on the subject, also under an hour.
@@CageBlack1443yeah, i didnt see it
Honestly well put together consolidation of the situation and now that I've cool down a bit I can see why it could be a case of miscommunication and basically doki just not being in a workplace she's comfortable with. My wavering opinion on the event aside however, it still rubs me the wrong fking way that the termination notice had to be done on vanta's bday stream day as well as the fact that they had to shill merch not even a couple hours after the termination. Its these 2 particular things that discredited niji for me initially because the termination was also suspiciously close to the end of a limited time sale of merch with selen's involvement. Of course this must also be taken with a grain of salt because after the the situation went on for a bit longer, selen merch was still available on their website despite all else being taken down(as of now I am not aware if that still is the case or if any purchases could be made through those links in the first place, but to me it speaks more on their poor management).
Thanks for the video, it's one of the more intelligent commentaries on the situation I've come across. You're a good speaker and I can see you've worked hard to emphasise the lack of concrete information we have at the moment, which is very helpful because I get the impression from the discourse that people either don't realise this, or are quick to forget it, or they don't care. I appreciate that you've deliberately avoided speculation.
However, it's a disappointing video in terms of your focus on context: you provide a lot of context for Niji's claims but haven't provided the greater context of Niji's history as an employer. You can't look at Selen/Dokibird's story and not also consider their other failed overseas branches and how that harmed their workers, their history of morally questionable talent control policies (such as taking over accounts and speaking through their mouthpiece) and the other graduations of Nijisanji EN Vtubers and what that says about their practices. You have very little to say about the nature of the power imbalance between employer/employee, and are presenting this situation as if a) both sides have equal power, and b) as if both sides have equal credibility. They don't.
banger vid, the niji topic is A LOT to break down, and you did a really good job doing so in an amusing and swift manner. cheers.
The statement that you can leave company at any time sounds like a lie to me. With how oppressive their contracts are, I doubt that it's as easy as that. Also, there was an alleged case in the past where a talent had to sue the company to leave on amicable terms instead of being terminated like Selen/Doki. So, I guess you can TRY to leave any time, but there are a lot of strings attached.
If I ever become a youtuber, I'm never showing my face. Because imagine something like this happens, and you lose your entire platform, and everywhere you go people recognize you. Yeah that's not for me😅
Wowza John Stuart’s back
always the most trusted newsman of america since 1999
More people need to know this: most countries have specific clauses in non-disclosure agreement laws that let you break the NDA if the company is breaking laws. If a company you work for is abusing you and breaking labor laws, REPORT THEM AND SPREAD THE NEWS (although maybe talk to a lawyer beforehand)
I'm glad you're back and covering this, Kwite. You break down all the angles in an easily digestible format, which really helps paint a clear picture- even if there are still a lot of gaps in the information available.
I hope you consider doing a follow-up on this, if more significant information *does* come out.
got confused as to why kwite made a vtuber video, suddenly remembered he is also a vtuber
The term friend was thrown around a lot in eliras video when it`s clear that the only one who may have considered other party as friends was Doki while others considered her friend just because it was benefitial, meaning it brought them/company profit
omg ty kwite, i was looking for more information on this as i saw kenji sorrtttt of cover it, and your videos are always so helpful
I love that you're covering this too, it's been insane watching how fast it all went down after the notice dropped
I'm honestly grateful to you kwite that i can finally see someone I put on a pedestal share a view of this similar to my own. You handle it well with the "I don't know" and "A Lot is probably not my business." just much appreciated especially since I've tried to keep track of this and its only bogged me down substantially. Just thanks for a truly non biased take.
i appreciate the coverage but also your pronunciations hurt me
30:38 thank you for not assuming things, this is a great video for an overview of the situation
34:05 “In my experience, *these things are helped when we as people are willing to slow down a bit and willing to let a situation just unfold a little more, to see what’s happening and what will happen down the road if anything is still gonna happen, and being willing to do that before making a call, if we really even **_should_** be making one at all.”*
I find it so delightfully karma filled to watch the way that people like me get exposed to these companies for the first time *because* they do something horrible like this
Like..
Bad publicity sure ain't good anymore. If my first exposure to a company is like this, I'm intentionally avoiding it.
I'm sure I'm also not the only one where, when a company's ad is annoying enough and keeps getting played, I get more and more avoidant of the company and more likely to look at their competitors instead, hah.
If companies would just try to treat their talent and staff and such as people and not cogs, a lot of this wouldn't happen, and they'd save so much money that they've instead lost in stock and in recovery and all.
The fact that they had some of their talent be a mouthpiece for that black screen video too just. Irks me.
You don't share info to others like that without explicit permission, nasty behavior.
Thank you so much for covering this. While I understand why so many people are very emotional when reporting about this. And while I do agree with a lot of their talking points. It's always good when someone takes a step back at times and say "wait. There could be other contributing factors to point A or we might not have or even be able to get the whole story in regards to point B". Again I get why people are angry and am right there with them in all honesty. This whole scenario stinks worse than an unearthed septic tank and most of the smell does seem to be coming from Any Color as a company. But it is always important to look at any scenario more objectively than emotionally. So you coverage is both refreshing and appreciated.
I picture it like this:
Selen gets terminated. A big mass of people are looking at Nijisanji with anger in their eyes.
Nijisanji post their report using the word "neglible".
Now that crowd is armed with torches and pitchforks.
Three livers of Nijisanji release a statement to the situation.
Now the crowd starts marching and chanting "SINK THE YACHT!!!"
And this won't be the end of it all...
My heart goes out to Doki. I hope she will find her peace and quiet soon.
IIRC, the audio which Doki had made was test audio, and wouldn't actually be published anywhere. Also, since Doki is from Canada, it has single-party consent.
Those from Niji-EN really should have just shut their mouths, and let their own legal handle their statements. But because they opened said mouths, they could possibly find themselves in court as co-defendants in the future.
FYI, I am not a lawyer.
LOVING these new long form videos, man! can't wait to see the next one, keep it up. (then again, I listen to a lot of true crime)
can't wait for a playlist to be made from this
Funny how Kurosanji are the ones sharing all the private info then turn around and say don’t share private info and don’t attack people. 😂😂😂😂😂😂
> Promise to be better on dealing with streamers' mental health
> Pushing 3 of the most popular streamer of the branch into crossfire they made few hours ago
Yeah, that's a good one
Not to mention that Elira and Ike sound like they've been crying for the last 3 hours.
I'm genuinely happy how well made this video. Your sentiment about VTubing is on the point~
I really wish this incident won't affect much how people see VTubing is...
Yay were talking about an industry of abuse todayy
Yay I love abuse.
I love talking about situations of abuse to bring more attention to them.
I really enjoy the way that kwite goes over situations like this. In particular, the neutrality. The thought process of “I don’t think that there’s enough information to decide a definitive answer, and thus I will wait until there is more” Is one that is shockingly rare in today’s day and age.
I’m not really one for big Internet controversy (hell UA-cam is kind of my only social media) but if I am to get into it, this is how I think it should be done. To strip apart all biases and look at both parties, as what they are, and what they are presenting. And then using that knowledge to make an answer.
Anyhoo, I’m not important enough to be making any claims, and I’m not interested enough to follow this wherever it goes. I just feel like this style of reviewing something should be more wide stream.
Normally I would agree but the fact that Niji actively pretended to be Doki on her social media and instead of just saying something like "hey this is Niji tweeting from Selen's account, shes unwell and will be on hiatus for a bit" or SOMETHING, they have the gall to try to decieve the public into thinking that they are her. This isnt just a corporation speaking on behalf of a talent. this is management trying to decieve the public and neglect their talent.
Kinda glad that there are more people to cover this controversy, so that at the very least people won't just brush over all the situation that just happened.
Kwite is slowly becoming a drama youtuber and i love it /hj