The Problem With Package Cuck
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- Опубліковано 16 кві 2024
- The Utilicookie Monster.
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Can I get a pin, Dev?
ok
This isn't HeroHei lol
Hooray!
Congrats
Senpai noticed you.
Apparently stealing = Communism
Oh wait.... Thats actually kind of accurate
And then they keep saying that "capitalism is theft". Go figure.
The most educated capitalist idea of communism right here
unplanned donation
No yes, this is literally what the ideology is. It's an extremely elaborate justification for theft.
The seizing they talk about... is really theft.
Community is when neighbours don't talk to each other at all and steal from each other.
If stealing and lying are community, I don't want it?
"He's a great neighbour because he blacks out his windows and is dead silent, might in fact be a murderer lol community good!"
😂😂😂😂
@@rhoalphaI live in crackville, so it's my only choice.
@@GoldenWolf115 I'd move to borington
@@rhoalpha I was impatient and bought a house here before the market died, so I'm hoping to pay it off and move to nobody town in the next decade.
Community is being able to leave stuff on your porch without fear of it disappearing.
Not even. That's just base level expectation when living in a modern 1st world society.
@@afx3 Setting your base level expectations to be higher than humans have ever achieved is a terrible way to think.
That's called "white society"
@@afx3yes and no. Ops post is reflective of small town/farming community values.
Your comment is an expectation of what things should be in larger cities.
It’s much easier to know and care about neighbours when there is less people in your immediate vicinity to know and care about. Quite literally “only so many f’s to give”
I 've barely known some of my neighbours, but we'd still look after each other's mail/packages because we belong to the same building and it was expected.
Its strange that people who consider themselves to be the eternal victims can't recognize a bully taking advantage.
To be fair, some of the victims were bullies themselves. Not because they bullied when they were younger
That's why they're eternal victims.
They’re the first people to bully someone. That Jules guy is notorious for sending whole groups of people after dissenting opinions.
They don't recognize bullies, as in an attempt to take this outside observer "objective" view of the world, they strip people of their personal agency, with their actions being mearly the result of oppressive systems. They believe the system made this man steal and so cannot be blamed for theft
"community is letting people steal from you"
This is just sad
He would make such a good citizen of a totalitarian communist state.
This is what progressives actually believe
(Your) property is theft, and we are liberating it for drug money
Replace "steal from" with "control" and this is the norm for a lot of communities. There is a point where your need to be part of a group isn't worth what you must give up.
It's funny when liberal women make the same arguments around grape. You're like, "ok, wake me up, simulation is unrealistic, it needs a reboot," but it's actually real life.
Do these people realize how incredibly pathetic they make themselves look? They're literally encouraging people to bully them.
But this is a generation of children who grew from those teachers at school who scolded you for standing up for yourself against the school bully.
Exactly the point of the "Zero Tolerance" for violence rules of the 2000's.
Larry man himself! The Top Ten Things I Put On Me Bum legend!
Yeah. I was always worried about what the social encouragement to not stand and fight bullies was going to lead to. I guess we have our answer.
@@GrimDim My other fav fat dude.
And let’s be frank. A thief could never value a stolen item more than the original owner, because there was less work input to steal it.
the logic of "unplanned donation" sounds much like that of "surprise sex"
SURPRISE BUTTSECKS
_Dumbstruck unvirgining moment_
Seizing the means of reproduction.
03:40 My mother was friends with this drug dealer from the same Latin American country as her when I was a kid, he would randomly crash at our place when I was a kid and I never liked him, a few weeks ago when I was talking about stolen bicycles she told me that he told her that often when he or people like him need to go from A to B but don't want to walk they will just steal a random bicycle and then dump it in a canal when they're done. They genuinely don't care about it and they throw them away because the police won't investigate stolen bicycles in the Netherlands simply because of how common the crime is.
While I read that most bicycles get stolen to be re-sold in Eastern Europe (remember, there's 0 border controls), it's so common for bicycles to be found in canals and other bodies of water anywhere in the Netherlands that I wouldn't be surprised if this is just a way how people like him travel. These people utterly lack empathy. And that's just ignoring how often people would just vandalise random bicycles.
Insurance companies also cover zilch, you can take out a special insurance for theft, pay extra for it and when it gets stolen they will just tell you "you should have been there".
Interestingly enough, 1% of criminals commit 60% of crimes, so I wouldn't be surprised that if your bicycle gets stolen that it wasn't by some desperate poor man who just desperately needed a ride but by a professional criminal that has stolen hundreds, if not thousands, of bicycles before.
These people have 0 empathy for us, I know several people like this, they often drive fancy cars, have tonnes of debt, and literally game the system and innocent people however they can.
For context, the man and the Latin American country are majority African, most of us Africans are much more likely than any groups to be victims of crimes and it's this minority that commit most crimes, meanwhile "Progressives" want THEM to represent us. Which also shows how they completely lack empathy for most Black people.
yeah, i knew these people in school and you are right. school was next to the station. would just walk there, look for a bike that wasnt locked and use that to ride to the bar on friday afternoon.
they would do this every week. so yes, when a 199 bikes get stolen, chances are its the same 5 people doing it.
bikecucks fear the truck chads
I know a guy whose bike was stolen, went to a shop to buy a bike, and found his old bike for sale.
@@cp1cupcake that happened to my uncle, he saw it on facebook marketplace, a lot of the paint was scratched off. He showed up to give it a test and just rode off with it lol
The second Amazon doesn't reimburse him watch how fast he turns on his neighbor. Lol.
He won't. He will rationalize getting stolen from.
@@JamesAnderson-dp1dt Yeah he'll probably whine about it on reddit/twitter because he's too afraid to stand up to bullies.
With a sternly written unsigned letter left at the the front door without knocking
To say it was rape is not entirely fair, consider it an unplanned intimate experience...
I mean... There's a reason rape is jokingly called "Surprise sex"
"The total happiness of the world increased, so...."
@@donperegrine922 I don't know if I'd go that far. I always feel at least a little guilty after, ya know?
@@Tweekism86💀
@@Tweekism86 Bring some friends next time, if total happiness in world does not increase, bring more fren.
“and those who are deeply anti social” says the guy ordering paper towels on Amazon.
Seriously who does that?
Those who are deeply antisocial, obviously
"Living in New York"
And now it all makes sense and he gets all he mockery he gets.
Dev keeps tripping on this particular rake..
Nah I live in NY and this dude is a bozo. Most New Yorkers are not gonna "leave them alone" if we find you stealin our packages most of us will handle u our dam selves and we'll let the landlord, the cops and the whole building know that ur a thief.
@@WubzZz- You voted for this so... "press X to doubt".
@@LagrangePoint0 Doubt all you want, but I guarantee if you come to The Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens, and Harlem, and get caught stealing someone's package from in front of their door you better be prepared for a fight.
@@algomaslejanoquiza3174 no what? you think nothing is gonna happen to you if someone catches you stealing their package, especially in lower income neighborhoods here?
A unplanned donation. I'm dead. These guys are actual genius comedians.
That's next level from "borrowing without returning".
Euphemistic soft language to BS oneself, Carlin did a bit on that... over 30 years ago.
It's not funny anymore when they plan to force this kind of thinking upon the rest of us.
Reminds me of the galaxy-brain strategy generations of squishy Confucian scholars reccomended for handling aggressive neighbors. "Just give the barbarians whatever it is their petty little hearts want, we're so much superior anyways, we can afford appeasement!" Narrator: they could not, in fact, afford appeasement.
Confucius say: “If they steal your stuff, steal their balls.”
If anyone wants to advocate for appeasement, first keep in mind how it "prevented" a war with the austrian painter's empire.
appeasement is just a historical meme. everyone thinks they're the ones appeasing, never do they think that perhaps they're the ones getting away with waay too much sh, breaking "the social contract" and exploiting temporary weaknesses to the hilt (like oh, March '99.)
lots of (right-wing) victim mentality here, the stereotypical Laquisha has nothing in terms of victim mentaility on the average Western Euro.
@@ahG7na4You sound like you get your packages stolen.
@@unimportantcommenter4356
Woof, that’s a good point! XD
'i think you grabbed my packages by mistake'
'no'
It wasn't by mistake. He knew what he was doing.
He may be a thief, but he’s not a liar.
"...those who understand the pros/cons of community and the upside of valuing your actual quality of life...."
Buddy.
Buddy.
Theft in general - and porch piracy in particular - is a net negative for your community. It is very much a con, not a pro, and distinctly and drastically lowers your actual quality of life, no matter how good of a neighbor he is otherwise.
Nothing ruins community more than having to always be paranoid you'll be robbed or assaulted
People don't understand that letting the guilty go free is punishing the innocent.
Theft is just slavery with extra steps.
Psychologically speaking, a person will not be happier to "have a bike" versus "having a bike stolen." People have done experiments on loss aversion and found that in general the loss of happiness from losing something is approximately twice as high as the happiness from gaining the same thing. One example, economist Daniel Kahneman speaks about presenting his students with a question: "I'm going to flip a coin and if it lands on tails you lose $10. How much money would you ask to gain from heads to take this bet?" and overwhelmingly the answer is "$20." The standard of "twice as much" is common on any number.
In brief, even if you think of resource allocation in terms of "units of happiness" the logic doesn't pan out, because you must account for "units of unhappiness," which are each individually equivalent to "-2 happiness."
In brief, if someone thinks that the thief enjoys the stolen goods more than they are sad to lose them, the "stoodies" have proven that to be nothing more than a cope. The bike thief just pawned the thing for, what, like $50? [I don't know the economics of bike thieves and how much they can realistically expect to get from a stolen bike.]
It's even self-evident in the package incident. The guy who stole the dude's toilet paper is only AS happy about it as if he had toilet paper - he's as happy as you are when you get back from CostCo - whereas the guy who had his package stolen was clearly upset enough about it to firstly try and confront the thief and then to go on a long Twitter thread about it.
>Journalist
Suddenly, it clicks.
And let’s be frank. A thief could never value a stolen item more than the original owner, because there was less work input to steal it.
This cuck is so funny because they will cancel anyone for liking any form of slight problematic stuff but will told other to be happy if their personal property is being stolen
The only reason he is "brave" enough to cancel is because he has an entire community backing his play. He is nothing without them and incapable of acting on his own.
@@TerryBernadinofromReno now that you mention it, yeah, definietly makes sense, bro cannot make his own choice
I do not find the cuck funny, I see him as pathetic.
These people are the teachers who see the bullying and ignore the bully, but will punish the victim if he dares to defend himself.
This reminds me of that time Seth Rogan told everyone that people having their cars broken into and all their stuff being stolen in San Fransisco was no big deal.
Ikr, I thought dev was gonna mention that.
He's a dumb out of touch millionaire jay who makes ashtrays for dickheads don't worry about him
Yep. He told Casey Naistat to not be upset that his car was broken into and gifts for someone's birthday were stolen because "that's what happens when you live in a big city"
Who the hell gets paper towels delivered?
Someone who can't even lift them
Bugmen who talk about a violent revolution but are actually too scared of people in a supermarket.
Metrosexual and lazy d-bags
You buy them in bulk. A giant box.
Chances are they downplayed the value of the contents to appear less "cucked".
Why communism can't work: people who want communism don't understand it and can't make it work. Those who understand it don't want it, because it can't work
Any communist who is not currently in a commune, or working towards creating his own commune, is a hypocrite. Their perfect system is only effective if they can force you to be a part of it with them.
Agreed, but also: Communism requires a curtailing of human nature. We don't naturally want to only have the same amount as our neighbor, and the survival reasons are obvious. We want more, and we are usually willing to work for it. That's why (controlled) capitalism is so effective - it embraces human desires and human nature and works with it to make an effective system.
I wouldn't want it even if it worked. I'm more about what's good for the ant not what's good for the ant hill. Even if communism worked, I wouldn't play along. I'm to individualistic
Mixed market Capitalism harasses both the negative aspects of human nature, like greed, and the positive aspects so that both can coexist in the same system and produce positive outcomes. (This is generalized, I understand theres examples of this not being true)
And also, those who don't want it to work and will do anything to stop it's parasitic spread.
Community is when paper towels gone
Meanwhile the package thief: "Man, what a sucker that kid is."
Everyone pays more on Amazon, so he can feel good about getting his package stolen. Cool.
Well, you can always just buy your stuff on-site if that bothers you.
Dont you have like mail delivery cabinets in there? Seems like a much cleaner solution than trusting the honesty of randoms.
@@B1gLupuKeep missing the point.
A few studies have shown that losing 100 bucks gives more pain than winning 100 bucks alleviates it. So the bike being stolen is a net loss in happiness levels. The one that stole it even being a totally selfish and non-empathic being will gain less happiness than the pain felt by the owner from getting a bike stolen. If the guy stealing the bike had remorse or doubts the balance is shifted even further towards suffering. It's never a zero sum game
"Unplanned donation" lmao
I seem to recall there were a few unplanned euthanasias in CHAZ as well.
I was bullied MERCILESSLY as a kid, K-12, and I learned one lesson, you will always be a victim as long as you don't fight back. You will never stop it from happening, but, if you fight back, more & more of those bullies will back off & the bullying becomes more tolerate to the point where you can ignore it (like childish name-calling) if you're willing to kick ass. Otherwise, you'll always been seen as a weak target, low-hanging fruit.
Biggest problem with the happiness-sadness metric in utilitarian reckoning is that you can't quantify feelings like happiness. If I game-end someone, I can then claim that the act made me happier than all of the sadness of all the friends and family of the person I game-ended and nobody can disprove that.
It’s not even just the fact you can’t quantify it, it’s assuming that “happiness” is the best barometer for living. All that does is lead to a hedonistic lifestyle that only hurts you in the end. Sure, it would make some people “happy” to eat cake all day, but that’s not a good idea or one worth propagating for how many negative side effects it has. Utilitarianism is a philosophy for children.
@@mrshmuga9 I'm not a utilitarian but if I was one, I would go with "wellbeing" and "suffering" instead of happiness and sadness for the reason you mentioned. If I prevent a child from eating too much candy, the child will be unhappy but it's still beneficial for the child's wellbeing.
@@gownerjones Certainly better, but then it just swings back in the other direction: Cookies are unhealthy and can rot your teeth faster than other foods, therefore no cookies for anyone. It’s just a poor ideology because it’s a collectivist ideology, so there’s no room for grey areas because it’s focused on the whole and disregards individuals.
@@mrshmuga9 It does disregard individuals and it's also one of those ideologies that's incompatible with human nature. Utilitarianism that isn't first informed by deontological principles can't and will never be used for anything outside of college philosophy debate classes. It's impossible to run a society on calculus. You'll never have enough data, you're dealing with unquantifiable metrics, and ultimately, you're fighting a battle with chaos theory trying to predict consequences far enough into the future. There is a reason why the best and most stable societies in the world base their laws and social norms on deontological immutable values like human rights, personal freedoms and the preservation of human dignity.
I would say the main issue with using utilitarianism as justification for anything, is that most of the time, they frame it in a short term situation that stays bounded in the immediate frame of the action.
Dev concludes his video with _"people like package-cuck actively make the world a worse place by embolding abusers by teaching them that they are free to abuse others with no repercussions"._ This sentence can be viewed as an utilitarian argument in my opinion.
If you take the point of view, that crime drives poverty, having a law and order policy and a robust moral framework can be viewed as an utilitarian way to increase well-being. Deantology can be Utilitarian
The one perspective I do understand this from is the 'just not worth the trouble' angle. Sometimes you see something unjust, maybe you're the victim of it, and you just don't do or say anything because dealing with the consequences is just more annoying than taking it.
Like the guy said, this has otherwise been an unexpectedly good neighbor who hasn't gotten him in trouble for being loud or anything. Reporting him to the cops or the landlord will mean he has to talk to the cops and/or landlord, deal with getting the accusations across, give them the evidence, be confronted by the neighbor, possibly have the neighbor become way more unpleasant in retaliation, either by him doing some other illegal shit or simply by him now becoming a stickler and reporting him for noise after all. And then eventually one of them might have to move out. If its him (the guy whose packages were stolen), that's obviously a huge pain. If it's the thief who moves out, like the guy said, he might get a really unpleasant neighbor who will be trouble in some other way, even if that one doesn't steal his shit.
It just might not be worth it, even if in principle it sucks to just take it lying down.
Now of course the issue is that you don't know where it ends. Can you never order anything online because you know the guy is just gonna steal it again, which is obviously gonna hurt more when it's something more valuable than paper towels? Is the guy gonna end up doing worse things because he sees you're not doing anything about it?
It's a calculation you gotta make. But if this was the first time anything happened and the packages really didn't cause a huge financial loss for him, I kinda get why he might wanna just wait and see before he does anything. Simply because it might not be worth the trouble.
I mean, he states it, but objective reality, what we can all see, doesn't give credence to his words.
How likely is it that he is apart from blatantly stealing your packages, otherwise a good person and neighbour? I just don't buy his description as a realistic one.
@@kresovk5 I can kinda see him being a bad person who just mostly keeps to himself (outside of when opportunity knocks like with the packages) and being somewhat quiet. So more like a pleasantly neutral neighbor rather than a 'good' one. But one you'd rather have than most others, I suppose. Imagine he gets an absolute Karen next if he gets this guy kicked out. She might constantly bother him or get him in trouble with the landlord or whatever. Or maybe someone who plays loud af music all day which is probably gonna be bad for the dude's recording sessions.
@Pandsu Don't know, could be that.
He could also get bolder because he receives no pushback, no retaliation.
And if he is keeping to himself, what could happen if you confront him?
Genuine question. Where I live, the community actually resembles community, and tolerance is lower for such behaviours.
You make some interesting points. Although allowing your neighbour to steal from you with impunity sets a bad precedent that you will end up regretting
@@kresovk5 You're not wrong and for the record I'm not really defending the behavior or saying I would let it slide myself. At the very least I'd be at his for longer than a simple 'Nope' and probably I would actually end up getting the cops involved. But that's also because I've let certain people walk all over me as a kid and teen and I'm kinda done with that in general and also because I'm poor and can't afford to have people take my stuff the few times a year I do get to have something delivered. Plus, as I think I said above and as that other commenter mentioned, if there's absolutely no confrontation, it'll probably not be just those paper towels that'll get stolen and it'll probably escalate eventually and I either can never order anything without it getting stolen or I'll find my apartment broken into or something.
So I, personally, wouldn't just leave it.
I'm just saying that 'it's not worth the hassle' might be part of the guy's reasoning. Especially if that neighborhood doesn't actually care or, even worse, has a good chance of taking the thief's side for race-related reasons or snitches get stitches reasons or whatever else they might come up with.
Community, real community, is where your neighbours come knocking because they have extra [something] lying around, and you should have it. When they let you know that someone was looking for you earlier. When you meet outside and spontaneously go have a drink together. When you help out because you care, and you know that if you're in trouble later, you'll also get the help you need.
if someone stole my precious amazon stuff i would explode in nerd rage so fast
I'd rig some tannerite in the next box
@@tann_man need a permit for tannerite in NY lol
Who's gonna find out?
Blame Amazon for it.
@@-TriP- diy time
You know what really stands out to me at the start?
"I record a show that _requires_ me to shout at full volume."
When i think if shows for the internet where someone is shouting at full volume, i think of either
Performative outrage
Or
Performative fear
Either modern lefty politics, or 2011 pewdiepie.
But this dude says it "requires" him to do that. Which is just... such a telling way to phrase it. Is it an admission that performative outrage nets him the most from his audience, and therefore being the best method of revenue, he feels he _has_ to do it?
He can scream into a microphone yet doesn't say boo to a guy who steals his stuff.
"Living in New York sounds like Hell, bro!"
Yeah, Dev, that's the kind of urban bughive people who live in the suburbs and further out don't want to live in.
15 minute city is the term lol
This is such cope. The most package theft happens in the suburbs. Apartments don’t allow for packages to be easily seen by everyone. Dev is the type of idiot who thinks NYC has food deserts. I’m still not over that BS lol.
@@bannedmann4469I mean NYC technically does but it’s because fruit and other fresh products never sold well. Stores and gas stations were never incentivized to be anything but the desert.
@@bannedmann4469Yes they do, they get ripped off from the entrance area. The thieves get more opportunities in apartment complexes.
@@TerryBernadinofromReno You have lazy delivery men if they’re leaving it in the lobby or whatever BS you’re spewing. Stop being like this pussy and report em.
This universal equation of ethics based on individual happiness is just asking for trouble, any number of heinous acts can be justified,
"me and ten other people robbed your house while you was at work, took everything that wasn't nailed down, we even took the tiles on your bathroom wall, but it's ok because your sadness doesn't cancel out the happiness experienced by group as a whole",
What a load of bollocks.
sharing is caring and I don't care
Basically "Rape is ok as long as it is a gang rape" mentality.
The worst part is that the people claiming this are not even really believers, they are just coping. If they genuinely believed that the happiness is all that matters, and that they can make people happy by giving all their stuff away... Why do they still have stuff? Why aren't they naked on the street? Because they are just trying to come up with a big brain explanation for why they are actually ok with getting cucked. It's the same thing as the "enlightened polyamory" stuff. They obviously do not believe it, but they have to construct something to try and square up their ego and reassure themselves that being cucked makes them smart.
Most utilitarians will have a lot to consider in this scenario. It's doubtful that the people stealing everything from someone's home are gaining more pleasure than the person who had everything stolen. Even if that's true in the moment, it certainly isn't true in the long term. A good utilitarian will also consider long-term effects (if you steal my laptop that I use to generate income that will further decrease my standard of living in the future and the standard of living for people who run the shops I frequent etc.)
Yeppers, and you can "justify" just about any other immoral act from this line of thinking.
If 11 people were stranded on a sinking boat, there's zero chance of survival, would it be "moral" for the 10 people to grape the 1 other guy? The 10 would all feel pleasure from it, despite the 1 person being quite unhappy with the act. Since the boat will sink with zero chance of survival for anyone, the outside world will not be impacted; the act will not be normalized in society or culture. Just in this one, isolated instance, would it be okay?
Most sane people would agree that's incomprehensibly awful, and would be VERY immoral. But when it comes to property, stealing, etc. suddenly the mental gymnastics kick in and they're fine with it. Your body is the singular most valuable piece of property you own, and grape is theft of the highest degree. If one is wrong, so is the other.
just for being green in shinigami eyes, you just *know*
Love how Shinigami Eyes is used for the exact opposite of its intended purpose as well lol
"lock your tent" 😂
If someone outright states that they are committing an injustice against you, and awaits your response, it is hateful to both them and yourself to permit, or gloss over it.
Righteousness, (integrity of character, alignment with the real value structures of reality), is really, objectively, the highest good of man. And safeguarding that good for yourself and your neighbor outranks any other utilitarian consideration or ideal, wherever it directly conflicts.
Insert old saying about evil flourishes only when people do nothing about it.
I wouldn't say the logic used here to excuse crime is "objective". It's an ATTEMPT at objectivity using assumptions but there is no factual detail they can fall back on.
Even if it was objective, the excusers aren't following the philosophy to its fullest because they justify the acts by attempting to increase the victim's personal happiness. "Because there is more happiness in the world, that makes me happy. Therefore my happiness is greater than my upset feelings at being a victim". It's all about how you feel. The first guy only put up with his neighbor's theft because he didn't want to risk being more unhappy with a new neighbor.
This is the fundamental issue with Utilitarianism generally. There is no way to create an objective measure of ethical values from the subjective stance of any person. So all attempts to do so are just post-hoc rationalizations for whatever action(s) the agent claiming objectivity. Or put simply: WTF is a "happiness point?"
I did not expect to see the funny KOTH reviewer here.
Hey, howdy Shady!
I dunno man,. Some people legitimately don't care about themselves enough. The primal instinct of self preservation just isn't stronger than their desire to appease others. Whether that's good for functional society is up for debate, but I wouldn't say they're trying to be "objective" and simply failing. It's entirely possible to be, in a way, "objective". At least in a human sense
“Struggle Snuggle” of Nanking is a perfect example of such cucketry.
The flaw in utilitarianism is that it's short term gratification that fails to take into account long term consequences.
The immigration crisis is a current example of this.
When I first looked it up, I immediately thought its the justification for the extermination of those who the group in control seems undesirable.
i think the main issue is that it attempts to justify immoral actions. even if somehow there were no long term consequences, the actions would still be wrong. the fact that utilitarianism always has severe long term consequences is just a little cherry on top.
No the flaw is the incredibly naive assumption that it makes right off the rip, that "happiness" is just an objectively good thing that humans require and that if they get a certain amount than it must therefore be morally and ethically good. Its another 'ism that is completely divorced from reality. When you describe something as utilitarian in design, youre saying its incredibly useful, and its design is based upon usefulness rather than appealing or fashionable. In short, function over form. So its wild that the 'ism of it is essentially the opposite meaning of the root word, or is it intentional? Ah the bastardization of language...
There is no rule stating utilitarianism only means "maximize CURRENT pleasure". You could say that's a problem with how some people are practicing it, but it isn't a problem with the position itself.
Utilitarianism has the same fatal flaw all collectivist ideals have. Namely, that it is a philosophy that REQUIRES every person to act in the interest of the collective. The moment a non-negligible amount of dissenters appear and act in their interest and against the collective, the system falls apart.
By the logic of these people, Ukraine should retreat from Russia. I bet they would lose it when we turn their logic against them.
Excellent point!
Hmm.. good point. Where does Dev fall on that issue? That’s what he wants Palestine to do..
I've done this before IRL, these people aren't smart enough to understand the connection.
@bannedmann4469 no it isn't lol cringe topic insert comment
@@bannedmann4469 glass palestine
Thank you for the Utility Monster Analogy. I often find myself arguing against Utilitarianism with my group of friends hopefully this will help illustrate my points.
Modern people, who live in metropolitan areas, are so far away from what a real community is, that anything passes as a "community" now days.
I think Jules' position is slightly more nuanced because if he does report his neighbour, and he gets evicted, he may get a new neighbour who complains about his VO or is otherwise also noisy (barking dog or whatever).
So while his conclusion is a cuck, he has some stake in the neighbour remaining.
Or his neighbor gets worse and steals his recording equipment. Then what. This stuff gets worse if one is not careful. Report him or lose a lot more than a package. Or get in his face and let it be known you will make him visit the dentist if he does not return your items within 10mins.
@@houseofhas9355 yeah, since criminals aren't punished in NYC, if you escalate, either you risk injury or more problems.
@@GameFuMasterand thats why law abiding citizens should still be allowed to use guns. Because lets be real, criminals never cared about the law, otherwise they wouldnt be criminals.
But I doubt the guy would even use a gun anyways but that just further proves that his ideology is basically just allowing yourself to be taken advantage of.
@@the120cxx well it's more than that though.
Being able to legally own a gun, doesn't mean you'll be able to legally use it at the time, i.e. you aren't considered justified for using your gun.
2:31 “antisocial … rigid rule abiding” literally the opposite of what antisocial means
My neighbor (will call her Bertha) kept stealing my packages. This was when I was living in a neighborhood full of single family ranch homes that were super close together.
Although it was only 5 years ago, doorbell cameras weren't as common as they are now, so Big Ol' Bertha didn't know that she had been caught on a neighbors Ring camera stealing FIVE of my parcels- one of which was a 90 day supply of my oral CHEMOTHERAPY MEDICATION!
Stealing my meds and literally all the birthday and Christmas gifts from my family (seriously, every package besides the meds were gifts for me) I was really upset. So, after remembering that she was really allergic to pretty much all tree nuts, I went on Amazon and ordered a variety of mixed tree nut assortments, making sure to order the products with the worst reviews that were specifically related to poor packaging and frequent nut spillage.
_and that was the day Bertha learned not to steal packages from me_ 💁🏽♀️
DEV IT'S ALMOST MIDNIGHT
Literally about to go to bed when I thought to myself "I wonder if my fav fat canadian has posted" and alas
I was about to say.
SOMETHING EVIL'S LURKING IN THE DAAAAARK!
Jokes on you I waited til morning to watch this.
Community is having neighbors who look out for each other and protect your packages for you. I think this neighbor of the guy has actual animosity for him, something like, "you're the one who preaches and votes for our terrible living costs"
Unplanned donation, mostly peaceful but fiery protests, positive discrimination ... someone should make a progressive dictionary of doublethink cause this is funny af.
I too claim my neighbor's packages as tribute for my otherwise neighborly behavior.
I've tried to explain some of these issues to people I've known who parrot slogans like "lives are more important than things". Sadly, the only response I get is a mix of confusion at the inability to understand the concepts paired with an undercurrent of "oh no, he's a bad person."
4:45 what I find interesting about the "consent based morality" system, is that consent can easily change definitions with the culture.
Like, in some places 16 year olds can consent, often its not till 18.
Lots of moral terms change definitions when you change cultures. That's not really a problem, though. Moral principles can stay consistent even when the application of those principles changes to suit the local understanding of them.
Statistically you have that completely backward as far as the associated legal codes go. 16 is the strict interpretation of Logical Argument from the early 20th Century that led to the associated codes, hence why it's what's overwhelmingly on the books.
That's to say that in the early 20th Century Statistical Analysis found that the Bones fuse at 16 in Females, and 18 in Males, signaling the end of the growth period known as Puberty. From there the Legal Argument was that Women should not be engaging in _any_ Sexual Activity, and thus getting Pregnant, before completing their Puberty Growth Period at 16.
The reason you presumably think it's the other way is because vendors of adult material opt to avoid complications with the odd state that did code it at 18.
In other words in the early 20th Century various countries were looking at the problem of where the Legal Line should be, and near universally opted for what they saw as an Objective, Scientific standard based on the Bone Fusing mechanic signaling the end of the Puberty Growth Period. Hence 16, for Females. The case for 18 for both isn't those things, and so while it exists it's not hard to see why it is the exception.
@@jebe4563 Interesting I did not know that. I was under the impression it probably started as 16 and beame 18 yeah. But I didnt know all that was based on bone fusing.
I feel like it probably should be based on brain development though...
But im no lawmaker.
@@Yipper64 The Legal Argument behind the Code is effectively that Pregnancy draws significant resources from the Mother which can then have negative effects on them completing their Puberty Growth Cycle. That is in addition to a host of other complications which are at higher risks in a Female that has not yet completed their Puberty Growth Cycle. The marker for completion of that is bone fusing.
In turn unless you're advocating that if two 17 year olds are caught engaging in sexual activity they should face Legal Consequences, you're not actually talking about Age of Consent.
@@jebe4563 I dont know I just thought the idea was that children arent old enough to understand the implications of all that type of thing.
My question to you is why does all that still apply to stuff that doesnt involve pregnancy but still involves sexual things?
I mean really if it where just based on that then it would 1. only be for girls, 2. not apply to situations that dont involve the potential of pregnancy.
I feel like the actual social divide that he found was people who believe that one should be assertive enough to refuse to be walked on without pushing back, and people who have resigned themselves to rationalizing their cowardice.
Hahahaha. "Deeply antisocial" would be the people who don't understand the value of the rule of law and standards of civilized behavior, not those who do understand.
true community is leaving your keys in your door and they're still there in the morning
The total amount of happiness goes WAY down! Like WAAAAY down!!
The thief barely notices. I'M PISSED! And everyone (sane) who hears of the theft gets pissed!
commie logic:
your boss gets paied more than you reeeee
your comrade steals from you its fine
There was a case recently where a couple from Europe traveling in India got beaten with the woman gang-SAed who later went online basically defending their attackers.
We're definitely in mouse utopia if people have lost their instinct to fight or flee danger.
"How many men need to great-ape your wife until you stop being a liberal?"-Dan from Lotus Eaters.
12:48 And ironically, for how much they hate Hitler, appeasement like this was exactly what enabled him.
I live in texas. I have let packages out on my front door for 3 days straight. Nobody in my apartment touches them, cuz they know they ain't theirs.
When Victim blaming becomes a valid argument you know things have gotten really bad.
Neighbors should be the ones protecting your packages from the thieves, not the ones stealing them!
That dude didn’t know he was stealing paper towels! It’s not about what he stole! It’s the principle of it! There are laws against tampering with USPS delivered mail, and this doesn’t only apply to the important stuff. You aren’t allowed to steal my coupons either, just because they’re cheap BS. And that’s the way it ought to be.
Maybe the neighbor stole the package out of revenge for the noise lol.
A recent video of Game Theory by veritasum (or something like that as a channel name) had some really interesting points about that.
The most successul ones all had these 3 commonalities:
1.) Kind (don't betray first)
2.) Retaliate (always retaliate after aggression)
3.) Forgiveness (after retaliation forgive them and start the next round anew)
This play style only managed to achieve draws or slight loses, but in the end after battling all opponents it turned out to be the winner, because it won more points than anyone else.
Game Theory revolves around Cooperation and was a study made during the Cold War.
That’s why you should build a community. Take your neighbors to dinner, throw a party, something to build community.
If they violate that… tit for tat is the best long term strategy where you don’t know the last interaction… so respond appropriately
Here is what i am confused about. Here, a package arrives, then the delivery person Rings the Doorbell. The person living there Opens the door. The package is handed over. Both people say "Have a good day" and the door is closed.
When the person isn't home, a note is left, and the package is taken back and will be attmepted to deliver later, or is available for pickup at a local pickup point.
No risk in theft.
This to me is normal.
Why can't you do things the normal way on that side of the Atlantic?
People on that side of the Atlantic can't look into another person's eyes without freaking out, let alone a courier's.
To be honest in the UK amazon delivery drivers aren't much better, most will just dump the parcel at the door, ring the doorbell, and walk away. I once had £350 of 3D printing equipment in amazon boxes sitting outside the front door for nearly an hour as I took the risk to go out believing they would be sensible enough to put a card through rather than just leave the boxes stacked up for anyone to steal. I've also had an amazon driver just punt a package over the garden fence because I didn't get to the door quick enough.
@@captainweekend5276 Hmmm... Well then I revise my comment; "Why can't you do things the normal way on that side of the English Channel?"
It depends entirely on the delivery service used. I live in a decent neighborhood and for now I am fine with the delivery service leaving it in the entryway as opposed to going to the delivery depot or post office to pick it up.
When you pay "raperations".
Calling the cops on your neighbor is a last resort. Now he hates you. The cops won't help in most areas and now you're alone with someone who hates you and knows where you live.
Pretty much, the only thing that can help you is a landlord who's willing to dedicate his own time and money to evicting the bad eggs, or moving yourself and hoping you have better luck in the next place.
Or grow a pair and confront the neighbor yourself.
Ummm you are already next to an absolute scumbag who knows where you live. If you’re so uncertain of your circumstances that you fear your neighbour then you move because otherwise you’re dead.
Or defend yourself. He hates you, so you hate him as well.
So let someone steal all your stuff, making your life miserable, and don't report it because doing so would make your life miserable?
I live in an apartment block with 6 other families in a small town, central europe. We trust each other, have sevearl BBQ garden parties every year and have one big message group where we keep each other updated about important stuff or just if someone accepted a package on behalf of a neighbour. The lady above my place looked after my cat when I was abroad for 5 weeks, I regularly help them with gardening and stuff.
That's what an actual neigbourhood community is, not whatever that wierdo in NYC thinks. He paying protection money to a mafia that is his fucking neigbour lol.
Whenever my father would have forgot the keys in the car and I point that out, he would always joke "If it gets stolen, then they probably need it more than me!" I never figured that people would unironically use that logic.
"There's no way I'm pronouncing that right" he said, after nailing the pronunciation.
The sad part is that the equation in itself is also subjective. Imagine if a professional robber stole thousands of dollars from someone. The victim would be crushed since so much was taken, but the professional robber would only get a small enjoyment boost cause it is just a part of their job. So even in this sense, a system of social happiness cannot work.
The lady who's daughter was murdered and she said something on the lines of "he was probably just going through something. I think she was killed with a pickaxe I forgot the whole thing
Weird how quickly consent went out the window.
Nothing says don't steal from me than a Jack in the box rail road spike trap.
This is why I hate apartments and being stacked on top of one another.
It's fine if it's white suburbs. I did it for 6 years and if anything I had neighbors bring my packages back to me when they were delivered to the wrong building.
Literally the moment I got my first blk neighbor she was loud, disruptive, and didn't clean up after her dog
Also, I can't imagine stealing stuff from people. We have a self checkout place here and I once forgot to scan a few bottles of soda, and I got away with it. Still feel bad about that.
2:01 we said "Jesus Christ" in the exact same cadence and timing
6:39 I'm glad to have finally learned this lesson after spending so long as a doormat. I just wish it hadn't taken a draining enlistment and a chronic illness for the lesson to sink in.
In better states, stealing those packages would constitute a felony and you'd have a moral imperative to report that neighbor to the authorities so he doesn't do it again to you or anyone else. But NYC dgaf so I doubt anything would have come from it over just packages anyway. Still, taking the Seth Rogen approach of coping with a bad experience helps literally no one.
This is what happens when you're too scared of confrontation. If I knew someone had taken my packages I wouldn't ask for my packages, I would demand them, threatening police action citing the evidence.
Kind of ridiculous seeing people steal from them and just...being okay with that. This is how you get gangs and cartels, when you refuse to stand up for small crimes, bigger crimes will happen.
To be fair, threatening police action over theft of low value items is pretty pointless, unless the police is there while it is happening they aren't likely to do anything at all.
@@d.r.643Often, the threat is enough incentive for the average person.
@@bishopofeternity48 That's fair but the average person also doesn't shamelessly take your stuff like that.
I get the impression they probably wouldn't care about the threat.
Why do they refuse to believe that bad people do bad things because they're bad people? It's like they're still children.
The guy that stole your bike isn't happier to get it, because he didn't earn, and thus appreciate it like you did before it was stolen from you.
I understand his position, but he should confront his neighbour
And he should talk to him, as he might be right that he did it "out of revenge" because PC was being a dick head by being too loud or whatever
It doesn't justify it, but he should talk that shit out
Honestly people just need to tell Amazon to not leave their packages sitting outside their doors. _Specify_ a safe (out of sight) place or a specific neighbor to leave it with instead, or arrange a delivery when you know you're gonna be in. It's very easy to do but I'm willing to bet most people don't even know about their delivery options.
This is exactly why Flex delivery became a thing in Canada. I have a lot of coworkers who can't trust their neighbors with anything unfortunately.
Remember when Michael Moore tried claiming that Canadian front doors were never locked [which was easily disproven] to prove how much safer it was there? I guess that way strangers can get the packages _inside_ your home.
There's a crazy spiral in this. People who feel so guilty arouse no effort to defend themselves, making excuses for people who abuse them, encouraging further abuse which they then justify more fiercely. Such people should never be put in charge, but yet here we are.
Quite the juxtaposition where I live, my neighbors bring me my packages when they’ve been misdelivered, and I them. But then again I live in a red state.
Oh God I threw up in my mouth a bit at the "post colonial reparations" example. How the fuck did I not notice this insanity sooner?
The funniest part is that in a communist country the thief would be beaten and the police called on him 😂
How is it that in apartments, some of the closest and seemingly closes off emvirment, is the most anti-community, anti-trust living. You would expect people there to get to know their neighbors, and built that close connection at least on the same floor level. But they are the most anti-social (actual anti-social) and the most isolated. Its depressing.
I moved out of home in the early 90s. Moved in to a small apartment block of 7 in a beachside suburb in Sydney Australia. None of the neighbours spoke to each other outside a polite 'hello' when passing on the stairs. It was so odd. I had better relationships with local store owners and workers than I did with the people in my own small building.
Happiness cannot and should not be measured. Happiness cannot and should not be divied up or given out.
Happiness is meant to be pursued, no more and no less.
“No, CHAZ community manager, my overall happiness went down when I discovered my property was stolen, and then it went down exponentially further after you gave me that excuse. So the total happiness in the world is a net negative after this interaction.”
That would give them a reason to remove the source producing unhappiness
How long before he gets an "unexpected proctology exam"?
With the bike example, there's also the issue of that it's... Like... Literally completely wrong. Obtaining a bike via theft is a very small increase in happiness for a thief. They worked very little for the bike and could steal another just as easily. They have no investment in the bike, and so they will naturally have a low investment in it. For the victim, however, they worked hard to get that bike. they spent a large amount of money to get it in the first place, and will have to spend a large amount of money to replace it. Its a big deal because something they've invested into heavily is now gone and needs replacement. The loss in happiness for a victim is much, much greater than the happiness gain of the thief.