It used to be a common tactic for some youth back in the day to basically take themselves hostage with threats if killing themselves to get what they want from friends and family. These days, I think the youth have adopted this same strategy but were able to create a group around it and extend that hostage situation to include the public and institutions.
Add to this their socialist tendency for purity spirals. They will always slaughter each other as they become the next bourgeois. The next target of hate.
My Armenian ancestors had to hide in Camel sacks in order to escape Ottoman Turkey where they were in fact forcing Armenian women and children on death marches through the desert. The fact that these activist think their struggle is the same as the Armenians, Jews, Tutsi, and others who have faced REAL genocide is disgusting. Full stop.
Kind of implies to me that a lot of these people are just perpetually bored and desperate for a cause to get behind due to the lack of religion/spirituality and community to fill that void of meaning and because their lives are so priveleged, comfy, and safe that they try to manufacture struggle or co-opt the struggle of others in the absence of personal challenge and hardship.
When you say "ancestors", how many generations back are we talking. The camel sack story seems weird, like is this a story passed down through generations, or something recorded in history books that your applying to your own family?
@@sirrealism7300Like three or four. The story clearly takes place around the time of Young Turks Turkey, and skinning a dead camel and going inside its stomach wouldn't be the weirdest thing someone would do to survive
It’s a rules for thee thing. Many of these activists are well aware of their manipulation tactics. Naive people are the easiest to fool if you are a good actor.
The bottom line, from my perspective, is that I'm not going to alter my behavior to accommodate a delusion that I can only guess might exist in a given person. Trans activists are asking for accommodations on a population-wide level that are only justifiable on an individual level. If I'm interacting with a person who I know sees the world a particular way, I'm going to go out of my way not to insult that perspective. But I'm absolutely not going to self-censor based on assumptions. There's no logical endpoint for that process. If you don't draw the line somewhere, you end up not being able to say anything to anyone until you've heard them explain everything they believe. Remember, it's more important that the world be workable than it be fair. We can only be as fair as nature allows.
its not even a delusion for most, alot of them are just fetishists or people with an attraction displacement, AKA they are attracted to women.. but they end up attracted to themselves becoming/dressed/accepted as a women, hence why that archetype of trans people are overwhelmingly "lesbians", they know what reality is, which makes it all the more annoying when you know the person your talking to, a 35 year old person in a incredibly gaudy pink princess dress with tons of fetish stuff on demands you take them and their lifestyle seriously.
The "we love equity" crowd won't agree with you on any of those points. To them, these protected groups are the most important, so if you're lower in their oppression pyramid, your grievances aren't valid. Their comfort will always trump the well-being of the non-protected majority. It's pretty ironic considering these are collectivists, ain't it? It's like the aristocrats (or nobility) are back, and they want you to respec their pronouns!
Can you imagine the dopamine hit they get from getting all of sociaty to change for them? There will never be an end because people will never stop enabling.
I hate the words "neurodivergent" and "valid" as theyre used in our language, and i find them to be offensive and cringe. But i, as a "disabled" person, cant force others to shut the absolute fuck up when they use them lol. In fact, when ive mentioned to progs about how i dislike the term "neurodivergent" they get angry and _me_ for policing _their_ speech that they believe is correct. And tell _me_ to shut up 😂
@@limabarreto911 I've heard it as a medical term. Specifically for people who are ASD or ADHD. As in people who literally have Neurological differences which make them act a might goofier than 90-95% of the rest of the world.
@@limabarreto911It may have started that way, but nonetheless, it's sticking as a medical/diagnostic one now. I think they were originally going with neurotypical and neuroatypical, but I think that was confusing for too many normies, especially since neuroatypical was abbreviated as NA, which already has several meanings. As someone with ASD and ADHD, I certainly hear it used a lot in the wider community, especially as people get more informed, overall, that these are, in fact, brain and processing differences.
Sorry you gotta deal with that nonsense, mate. But that's how commies and authoritarians are. It all only ever goes one way. During GamerGate, we saw the SJWs of yore use women as their shields, and many gamer women stood up against them with the "Not Your Shield" hashtag. They, of course, attacked these women or just ignored them. They care about nothing but their own vulgar use of power.
I recently saw a video about a "trans" blind lady who thought she should be blind even tho she had perfectly fine sight. She eventually found a therapist who affirmed her views and helped her find a way to make her permanently blind by pouring chemicals into her eyes for 30 minutes. After the "procedure" they rushed her to the hospital where they tried to restore her sight, but ultimately failed making her permanently blind. What really hit me in this story was how the therapist justified her actions which lead to the lady losing her sight. She claimed it was a treatment. Which has made me wonder what really makes this horror story so different from transitioning? Because in the core both follow the same principles; persons mind is in conflict with the functions of their physical body creating great discomfort, so to treat this great discomfort you must permanently change your body through invasive medical procedures. So why is it that the other is considered self mutilation while the other a medical treatment? The only answer I can come up with is that one is normalized and one isn't, even tho at the core they are the same.
I find it weird how "affitmation is valid and works" yet suicide rates went up to 42% in 2018, 54% in 2021, and 61-73% in 2023. While countries that banned minors gettins surgeries (Sweden I believe) saw a decrease in suicides. +The fact 1000 trans people are questioned for statistics. Yet the study only inlcudes less than 10 people who all say "it was all great". Where did the other 996 dissapear to? What they say, what the studies say, are both questionable compared to reality
@@keithfilibeck2390 And AGPs are the overwhelming majority if we're being honest. And yeah, it should not be done anyway. You don't affirm delusions of grandeur, you put a stop to that shit and get them therapy to help with doing so if need be. You're not "being yourself", you're pretending to be someone you're not.
@@SkylineFTW97 oh absolutely they are, but that mere fact is one they spend alot of effort hiding/denying, same with the very idea of AGP as a concept, you cannot argue with these people, they deny any reality that doesn't affirm their desires.
26? If that's the case, why don't we have a "National 'Got Eaten By a Shark'" day where we remember the loss of 41 people who saw a fin in the water and thought "hey, I'm going to to play with that!"
8:05 All of the laws termed "anti trans" are merely the legalizing of the status quo. Preventing athletes from competing in their identified versus birth gender is status quo. Retricting prepubescent kids from sexual drag shows is status quo. Preventing trans people from being treated as an exceptional minority is status quo. Restricting the use of novel and extraordinary medical experimentation (which is what gender affirming care currently is) on children before the age of majority is status quo. Thus the way that opposition to "anti-trans" laws translates is opposition to the legal and cultural status quo before Current Year.
It was always illegal to bring children to strip shows, how they managed to avoid arrests for that issue is beyond me. The fact we need to go through these loops to protect people is weird.
@@andrewgreeb916 Yup. And the laws are all reactive: activists violated some norm that had previously not needed to be enshrined in law, a law was passed to codify the norm and stop them from doing it again, and they started to bleat about "anti-trans" legislation when it was ultimately more like outlawing things that people already didn't want done but previously didn't need to criminalize.
@@andrewgreeb916 Weird in the moment, predictable over time. There are a lot of laws that shoulda been made, but it took a scandal to make people realize it. Zoophilia and beastiality is one of them, and over the Costa Concordia scandal, attempted insurance fraud was gotten away with because Hungary at the time didn't actually have laws against it.
It's like what's called "retroactive terminology". Acoustic guitars weren't called that until electric guitars came along Steam locomotives weren't called that until diesels showed up. Not even when the first electrics appeared in 1895. They were called "motors". "Electric locomotive" also came into use after the diesel. Same with "film camera". Laws are the same way. The first law that banned mvrder probably only appeared after the first time a guy k!lled someone. I'm a trans chick (for real, not just "cos I said"), and I've recognized from the start that what the leftards call "anti-trans" laws are not against trans people themselves, but the use of trans activism as part of the globalists' demonic plan of world domination. I knew this was coming, and looked forward to it, cos for some weird reason, most people actually want to have a world to live in. They like having food and shelter, too. And tough shit if the globalists don't like it.
As someone who identifies as giga male, I need testosterone to alleviate my gender disphoria. Saddly I was assigned male at birth and it's much harder for me to get androgens because I'm not a teenage girl. The idea of feeling insufficiently masculine and using androgens to alleviate this disphoria fits within the trans paradigm, but alas, my oppression continues.
If I recall, there is actual scientific evidence that giving trans-identified males testosterone alleviates their dysphoria more than giving them estrogen. So hilariously, you're not that far off.
I think that having a heavily masculine oriented gender identity is valid and you should have access to use hormones for super-physiologic use if you choose. This literally IS the whole idea of why it's fine for people to medically transition, you can pursue a body and gender expression that fits your gender identity better. But then again we should ban it because only 99%+ of bodybuilders don't regret transition. (sorry I meant trans people not bodybuilders) I know you're trying to make a point about how "easy" it is for trans men to get testosterone, but why is it hard for cis men to get TRT? The real question is why is it hard to get testosterone at all, even if you're informed doctors can still refuse it from you in many places. Also if easy means waiting until you're 18 in most states, or years regardless of your age in the UK, Then I'd love to see what hard is.
You can get these treatments actually because gender affirming care predates the trans stuff. You might not get testosterone, but they might give other things
Almost all of the anti trans laws are fine. They are almost always just stuff like, banning it for kids, banning them in female sports, and dont push propaganda in school.
@@graye2799 The entire concept? Wtf are you talking about. Why can't you entertain the idea that gender is psychological and trans people understand their relationship to their gender?
@connor5669 because it isn't. Gender has basically been a synonym for sex foe basically all its existence until a bunch if hack fraud academics decided to try and change it to fit their poltics. More like got groomed into it while having other psychological issues and then get deep into the sunk cost fallacy.
So... we've all noticed that the one trait common to 99.9% of trans people is that they're constantly online, right? Nobody thinks that's a bit strange?
It's not strange at all, sounds completely consistent to me. People who spend more time in the fake world than the real world develop a delusional view of the real world.
It's probably best exemplified by the activists moving to get gender dysphoria recognized in the DSM and they would point to that as a rationale for the activism, "look, it's an actual medical condition," but then when the dialogue got pushed into the mainstream the same activists said that gender dysphoria had to be removed from the DSM because it was offensive to say it's a mental illness.
the fact it was, purely from activist pressure, should tell you the state of mental illness and psychologists, everything that people tell you is undeniably truth can "change" with enough pressure.
Because they're two different camps. For the longest time, the general public viewpoint of trans people (when they were even acknowledged) was that they were just weird people choosing to play dress up. The push to get gender dysphoria recognized as a medical condition was aimed at helping curtail that opinion by providing an objective source. After all, it's a lot harder to hold something against someone if it's "not their fault" according to science versus it being a personal choice of theirs. Gay people went through the same thing. For a long time, acknowledging that being gay was not a choice but instead a medical condition was actually a progressive way of looking at it, because it dispelled the notion that gay people were just degenerates making an "unnatural" choice. It was better than what existed before, but there's still stigma associated with something being a mental illness, and treating it as a purely medical issue also gives people the means to deny someone's identity, so viewpoints have shifted. Being gay isn't portrayed as a "choice," but it's not really progressive to say that people are born gay either, even if that was better in the past. Trans activists have simply changed with the times. It's better for trans people to be acknowledged than denied outright, but broadly speaking, "trans medicalism" has become unpopular because it still hurts a lot of trans people. People have overly simplistic ideas about how mental illnesses ought to be managed (in this context it's trans people getting told they should deny how they feel) and broadly you should not need a medical diagnosis to affirm your personal identity. You're alleging some kind of hypocrisy but all that's actually happened is people have moved toward activism that is more inclusive.
The sad part is that this is the same motte and bailey used by disability activism. Accommodations are negotiated based on medical necessity, but when the possibility of fixing the disability is brought up, it suddenly becomes a matter of lifestyle and identity.
@@_BirdOfGoodOmen literally this!!! I don't get why people are so opposed to the possibility of being cured of something that actively hinders their ability to live normally
@@kameronpan2939I think if there really were a "cure" an awful lot of us autistic folks would jump at the chance. Of course, I would have to know what the downside is. If I would have to give up my "special powers", as I think of them, just to eliminate the drawbacks, I'm a lot less interested. But if I can keep my bonuses, and remove my drawbacks, how do you NOT take that deal? To me, the big question is "what does cure mean, and how are you doing it." Medications can be tested, and you can stop taking them if they don't work. Therapies can be tried, the same way. Brain surgery, though, is a one-way, with no telling what the outcome will be until after the fact.
This happens so much in autistic circles lmao it's hilarious to watch them mald that's why I hate interacting with most autistic people as an autistic man
Imagine just trying to explain the concept of trans activism to your 2010 self. This shit has gotten so insane in such a short time, I think a lot of us lose sight of just how crazy it all is.
I knew then, I just didn't know that the people embodying the activism would be Batman Villain tier nutters, but I knew even back then the origins of it all in Postmodernist thought and thus, it was built on complete bullshit.
My 2010 self saw the linguistic warmachine start moving adjacent to the "skeptic" / "new atheism" spaces, and it's been one continuous siege against clarity since.
@@RichardHardslab creationism has a lot more merit than leftism. It's nonsense, but evolution has some holes too, and the real truth is we just don't know how life began, and why. Just that unknown entity makes creationism far more conceivable than saying a man can become a woman just by saying he's a woman. We know with absolute certainty that isn't true.
Have to wonder- people talk up sex changes and affirmation like it's the only thing standing between a trans person and death. It's sold like a miracle cure to people who are absolutely desperate to make their mental anguish more bearable. How badly does it fuck with someone's head when they realize that the hormones and surgery and pronouns didn't turn them into a perfectly happy and healthy person? That the depression and anxiety and any other mental illness and trauma are all still there? I know rightoids love talking about the "irreversible damage" of transitioning, but honestly, this insistence that transitioning is The Cure gets to me more. These are desperate and often seriously ill people. What are they gonna do when they realize that they're still stuck with their unbearable burdens despite all they did, that they were convinced that the only way they could keep going was if this took some of that weight away, that they're so "broken" that not even the miracle cure worked on them? I sometimes see vids from trans creators who spend the entire runtime basically coping with the fact that, as it turns out, they still had problems. They conceived their transition as the Cure, and only afterward realized they have to keep living. That there was a very real possibility that the Gender Euphoria they experienced immediately afterwards was an emotional peak they'll never have again. I dunno. The only personal connection I had in this matter already killed themselves. They had so many other mental health problems besides gender dysphoria. None of the hormones or affirmation did a goddamn thing.
No one is "born in the wrong body." The unconventionally behaved should not be damned to miserable lives of constant dysfunction and medical issues in attempt to pursue their "true selves." Throughout history, feminine men and masculine women had full happy lives with their own families, never having healthy body parts removed/flipped.
@@jeremychicken3339 That's not what this is about, either. The world used to have way less "femboys" 50 years ago, for instance. All of this bullshit is being peddled to vulnerable children online, all hidden behind colourful rainbow flags and cute character pfps. Do you really believe that some men are incapable of existing without wearing a skirt? Its some crazy shit.
most people who question their sex grow out of it, we let people be tomboys or tomgirls and they usually just grow out of it or just stay as a tom, transitioning them and affirming it specifically hurts those people
You are born in the right body.. you can be unhappy about it tho. So there is a difference. But accepting the fat that .. i can change this body to how i would like it to be ( plastic surgery).. is a more healthy approach..than no.. you[‘re in the wrong body.. you’re actaully xyz.. Vs.. I know I’ll never be a woman, man.. but I’m goign to do my best to make this body comfortable.. thats the difference with a. Healthy trans, vs a dellusional activist
Reminds me of a scene from the stupid invaders game where Candy is abducted by a sex pervert and in the sex pervert's bathroom is a mirrored covered up with an illustration of what the pervert wishes they looked like.
What 'anti-trans' laws coming into effect in the US do you disagree with? The only laws I've seen even proposed at this stage that could remotely be considered 'anti-trans' have been ones that make it clearly illegal to perform transition surgery on or provide puberty blockers to minors. Are those the ones you're talking about? If not, could you clarify?
As far as I've seen most of the anti trans stuff is more about maintaining status quo stuff, like no men in women's sports or bathrooms, reaffirming the part where it's illegal to bring children into a strip club... Then there's the more specific stuff like banning transition surgery for minors.
@@andrewgreeb916 I could definitely be wrong, but I haven't seen any laws being proposed to restrict transgender people access to their preferred bathroom or sports league, though. That's a company-policy-level decision, not a legal one, at least not yet. So if that's the kind of stuff he's talking about, it should be made very clear that it isn't laws being proposed/passed, just company policy changing/being clarified. As far as actual laws go, only ones I've seen pushed for so far are related to minors. But, again, I could definitely be missing something.
Given how the term MAP is somewhat slowly being pushed and you have fucking bleeding heart idiots apparently living in a cave these past ten years yeah pedophilia has maybe ten morw years before it is respectable.
you don't have to do anything i outlined here, even if you were the tipping point that led to a suicide. you have that freedom, and the responsibility for their behaviour in the end rests with them.
Having a trans day of remembrance for such a small death count is like having a day of remembrance for the five shark victims this year. Its ludicrous and shows just how ignorant the WH is about real issues.
You can be transgender, but four important things about being trans: 1) You can't get pregnant. 2) You don't have to get too fat. 3) You don't have to be insane to become an activist. 4) You don't have to be Jim Stephanie Sterling and claim you're pregnant.
Most of the "T" dragging down the movement isn't even the T. It's (usually "cis" [hate that term]) people that want political brownie points for "fighting the good fight."
This is precisely why I stay as far away from activism myself. It seems so many social issues are made worse by incompetent "allies" who are completely oblivious to how badly their damaging the public image of the groups they claim to be fighting for.
I’ve noticed that too. All of the trans people I know irl are very reasonable “normal” people that are easy to get along with. I don’t mind using their preferred pronouns to be respectful, and they don’t lecture me about anything. It’s always the bleeding heart activist types that get in our collective face about it. Like I said, I’ve never had an issue with a trans person, but I have gotten into heated arguments with cis (hate the term too) people over benign stuff that has nothing to do with them. Example: a friend I’ve known for years transitioned and I didn’t really know how to handle it. I was explaining to someone else the change and what they wanted their new name to be and the whole conversation stopped because I “dead named” them by bringing up their birth name. That friend wasn’t in the same state, let alone the same room, and the person who got upset with me didn’t even know who I was talking about. But because I said my friends birth name “[blank] is going by [blank] now” it opened up this huge argument over how I’m being violent towards trans people and how bad of a friend I was.
@@DeltaDanner I've found working with trans people to be walking on eggshells, even before trans was brought to the mainstream. Like how was I supposed to know you had a transition if you never bothered to tell me?
Watching the white house scrape under the couch cushions for dead members of this oddly highly regarded and niche class of people to use them as political props is just like...."hey...yall seeing this shit?"
Having bigger problems to solve is exactly why they virtue signal this hard, its a smokescreen of sorts, people that like you or me point out the fact that we have actual bigger problems get labeled as bigots and boo'd into silence.
Killing Trans people because they are Trans? Or killing somebody who just so happens to be Trans? The problem is activists arguing that refusing to recognize them as a woman, even if just in the context of sports, is ignoring their identity and therefore dehumanizing. To recognize the humanity we have to fully agree with them and never challenge them.
You know, that's the thing that gets me. If you learn a gay person is killed and immediately concludes that's a homophobic murder, you might be projecting into the murderer your own ideas that gay people's only personality trait is to be gay.
That's how these people see racism everywhere, because they've been convinced that bigotry is the cause of everything bad that happens to anyone in a "marginalized" group. If someone cuts in front of me in line, I'm gonna think damn, what an asshole. If I were a gender cult lunatic, I would think damn, that person cut in front of me just because I'm trans! It's completely lost on them that bad things happen to everyone sometimes.
I love that dysphoria/dysmorphia is stressed so much in these circles but no one is willing to admit what it actually is or the fact that it's not exclusive to trans-ness
And if a little kid said they think they should only have one arm, and wanted to have one of their completely healthy arms removed, no legitimate doctor would even consider doing that operation, we would get that kid psychiatric help, because it's the only sensible thing to do.
@markzuckergecko621 consider the difference an arm makes in one's identity vs the gender they were born. An arm is a major ambulatory limb, a cock can't help me climb a ladder or walk. And to be fair, many of us don't get bottom surgery, I'm certainly not considering it. As much as it bothers me sometimes, I'd much rather have it than something artificial with hygiene issues.
It's not your problem that they are making totally unreasonable demands to cater to their objectively unhealthy mental delusions. They brought this on themselves. You're not responsible for anything. You're completely reasonable.
@@dimitar4y the adults in the room are supposed to get them to act right. When I was growing up in the 80s and 90s, you didn't use your identity as an excuse, if you started acting like you didn't get your way because someone was just being a big meany head, any adult would tell you to grow up and stop acting like a baby, doesn't matter if it was your parents, a teacher, a neighbor, a coach, absolutely any adult would discourage you from making excuses like that. Now the teachers, the media, and the politicians are actively encouraging those childish excuses.
And that's how we have to be, i'm afraid. Like... I get Dev's pov. Its not nice to be unessicarily mean. It really isn't. But sometimes as a grownup you need to be... Well mean. We live in an imperfect world. All we can do, really is try to do the most good for the most people. There will always be tradeoffs. There is no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, and I'm afraid that does mean that when you are a minority SOMETIMES you're going to get left out.
9:30 which is why we have rapidly moved from "treat them like their identified sex even tho they are mentally ill" all the way to "sex doesn't exist, gender is whatever we want." I had gender dysphoria and dark thoughts, but I did recover, as most with them do recover. Their activism puts those that would recover in danger of themselves due to the irreversible damage done. I know my dark thoughts would've have easily recovered had I transitioned like I wanted.
Theyre trying to get the term "young adults" to a lower and lower age. Pushing the idea that children are just just adults means they should be treated like adults in all the gross ways.
@@ImortalZeus13The "youth" has always meant the young adults of the generation - it refers to the active and most able among the workforce. Where the fuck do you live in that children are also the part of the "youth"?
"You hate us just for existing" Is the greatest mot and bailey Trans people use this for anytime they are criticized. As if any criticism is an act of genocide @PresidentSunday literally did this to short fat otaku in his video.
I love their "denying trans existence" narrative, like if they said "hey look at that rabbit", and it's obviously a dog, and I said "no, that's a dog", would they think I was saying the dog/rabbit doesn't exist?
Seriously. Its kind of annoying because trying to have a conversation with them they just say whatever makes it so they can disregard my point. They dont actually address my points they just strawman my arguments.
@@rbfilms4752 Well many from many different perspectives, but the core of my argument is essentially this; two contradictory concepts cannot both simultaneously be true. To hold two contradictory beliefs at the same time is called double think. The entire trans theory is based off to two contradictory beliefs, one that gender and sex mean the same thing, gender dysphoria is entirely biological and genetic. Plus a contradictory concept, gender is a social construct and entirely separate from sex. Under this concept anyone can be trans if they want to identify that way. The entire trans theory requires both of these contradictory ideas. I.E. people saying "sex assigned at birth" There are some who pick one or the other, but each concept has its own issues. If its innate and biological, then how can your biology be different from... well your biology. That doesnt make sense. If its entirely a social construct, then why do people need to be referred to as the other sex at all? Its a social construct, it becomes unnecessary. Just be your birth sex and change what the construct around that is rather than trying to form into it. Sort of deal. I could go into more detail but that's the long and short of it.
@@Yipper64 The problem here is that you're conflating people holding conflicting ideas over how a concept works with an conflict inherent to the concept itself. Whether transness should be centered around the idea of gender dysphoria or whether it should be centered around the idea of gender as a social construct is an active debate between different camps, not a settled position. The trans advocacy movement is not a person nor is it an organization with a leadership or a platform. Not to say that everyone involved has a logically consistent set of beliefs (of course they don't), but broadly speaking the people who want to focus on the social side are not also the people who want to look at it through a medical lens. Also, the last point you describe is something that a lot of trans activists would agree with you on - if gender is a social construct, then ultimately the goal should be to move away from gender entirely. In that scenario, accepting the existence of trans people would only be the first step. It's pretty similar to the discussion on racial issues in the sense that egalitarianism is the desired end goal, but society is not at that point.
I agree with nearly all of Dev’s points, but I do disagree with him about this being a motte-and-bailey fallacy. Basically, in a classic motte-and-bailey, the motte is just a smokescreen for the real position (which is the bailey). I don’t think that’s the case here. I think they’re just kinda moving the goalposts whenever it’s convenient for them.
I'd agree enough to disagree funnily enough. I think they simultaneously motte-and-bailey the same positions and that's what we're seeing, as they want the legitimacy of the medical advocacy with the perception of low stakes that comes with lifestyle advocacy.
@@Harley_Mitchelly I agree with this take, mostly. I just think it’s moving the goalposts rather than motte-and-bailey. At any rate, they’re definitely operating in bad faith.
@@Harley_Mitchelly “Defund the police” is a classic motte-and-bailey. The motte is “We just think police budgets are bloated and we wanna direct some of that towards community resources.” The bailey is “Abolish the police.” I’m not sure which position is the motte and which is the bailey when it comes to the transgender rights movement.
as a poor dude living in a shitty state, nothing in my life is even in the realm, hell even in the same dimension of acquiescence and care, attention and society changing restructuring that these people get, and all for what, exactly? so they can set up Gooning discords and talk about euphoria? even if I were always fully supportive, they'd hate me and my demographic regardless, when this was all starting around 2015 I was open minded, but the more information on them I shoved into my head, and the more I learned about their communities, the only thing I can manage is frustration, indifference, and annoyance at how much of my reality will be altered for such a group.
This is honestly how I've felt lately. I used to be like "yeah sure let them do it, why not". But the trans activism is itself so intrusive and hostile that it's becoming increasingly harder to agree with. As dev lays out, creating a ramp for wheelchairs is one thing and one of the only things you need to do for handicapped people, but for trans people? Well guess we gotta constantly spend thousands of tax dollars on their medical treatment, ban all mirrors, let them have unfair advantages in sports, let them into men/womens spaces regardless of what those men/women think. And why do we do this? because they threaten to self harm, that's it. It becomes somewhat absurd and incredibly toxic whenever you object to any of these ideas or their preferred use of language with "do what I say, or I'll kill myself" and it doesn't help as more and more research is being done about affirmative care, how very clearly it DOESN'T work and our medical industry just wants to turn them into permanent customers, to give the socialists some credit, with better healthcare we wouldn't have this trans issue going on
@@Aleks251 well not only the threat of self harm, but also their surprisingly well connected, vocal and vigorous activism and brigading, if YOU are noticed too much saying things they don't like, they'll hound you out of your job, they'll hound the company that did it, they make a big fucking stink, and that's that. this is all juxtaposed with the simple fact that if White guys threaten/actually kill themselves, they are laughed at by the powers that be as failures, the double standard is insane, and those same Powers that Be weep for the LGBTQ plight, but expect you to give to them, to help them, to be taxed for them, while also always adamantly, openly, and viscously saying how worthless you are, at the same time.
Have 41% of trans people had suicidal ideation because trans people are more likely to be suicidal, or is it because suicidal people are more likely to try desperate measures, because everything, even surgically modifying your body into a completely different person, is less extreme than death.
Take with a grain of salt, as I cannot find the numbers, but I have seen stats suggesting that trans persons are also co-morbid for a wide variety of other mental or psychological conditions. This includes autism, depression and so on. What the cause of this connection is I do not know, but if true it is suggestive that other things contribute to being trans.
@neodigremo No surprise there, bodily dysphoria is a neurological condition. If you found out that trying to turn on the kitchen lights cuts power to the microwave because some of the electric wiring was installed backwards, you're not especially surprised to find out that your bathroom lights also flicker.
@@neodigremo although, now that I think about it, it could also be a sort of Survivor Bias: people who get assessed for a condition purely diagnosed by thoughts and behaviors are then more likely to be in a position to be assessed by someone who can diagnose other conditions with similar criteria.
Well that depends, out of transgender people, which sex is largely killing themselves? If it’s biologically men, that correlates well with men in general who end up committing suicide mostly due to deep depression. All this can culminate to the person believing that become what was told would cure their depression, only worsens it. Look at children who became transgender from a young age (Jazz Jennings), he constantly expresses how depressed he is because the average person (men specifically) don’t treat him like a normal female…gee I wonder why.
My rule has always been, if you ask me politely, I'll call you whatever you want. Like if your real name is Tom, but you go by Buddy, sure buddy, I'll call you Buddy. But if you start screaming at me and saying it's Buddy, I'll say sure Tom, Tommy Boy, whatever you say Thomas.
@@rbfilms4752 Bit of a false equivalence. Names and nicknames are abstract and indivivualist identifiers, whereas pronouns are related to observable characteristics. You can tell (for most people) if they are a man or woman just by looking at them, you cannot tell what a person's name just by looking at them. That being said, if you don't wanna use their nickname, but the name you know they were born with, that's completley your choice and within reason.
@@jacobyullman5005 Pronouns have absolutely nothing to do with observable characteristics. Pronouns are words you use as a substitute in reference to a specific thing. Why are physical objects sometimes gendered? You've probably heard people refer to a boat or ship as "she" before. There's no objective reason to do so, boats don't have gendered or sexual characteristics at all. And yet it's a thing people do anyway. This isn't even getting into other languages where gendered pronouns are used for everything like German or Spanish. Biological sex is also not always immediately discernible, I don't know why you're pretending like it is. Some people present as being very ambiguous, and there are very feminine men and very masculine women that aren't trans at all. But obviously if you mistook a very masculine-looking woman for a man, you'd correct your mistake, no? And finally, yeah, you don't have to use someone's nickname if you don't want to. But like, if they ask you to and you refuse to do so on principle, that's being a dick, isn't it?
Claiming 1% of the US is trans is saying we have enough to match 1/10 the population of Canada. That is patently absurd, even with how astroturfed it all is. Edit: got tired and fucked up my math.
Come to think of it dont people complain about "the 1%", as in the 1% that own 99% of the wealth? Something like that. That would still be a lot of people, wouldnt it?
I tore down a trans vtuber who was claiming the whole "trans genocide" bit, but after I tore down the 8 stages for her and how they don't apply she got all pissy and blocked me. Either that or she just tl;dr'd it even though she was typing paragraphs upon paragraphs of bologna.
@@regexRex Trans makes things so very confusing. It could be that it is a 'female to male' trans vtuber and thus using 'she' is correct or the vtuber is 'male to female' and Pencil is 'respecting' the vtuber's pronouns. It could legitimately be either. It's just such a bloody mess.
They didn't read any of what you said, I promise you. It's the npc meme, you said a key phrase and it just triggered them into typing out pre-planned paragraphs. It's literally a script they use
So in short, these people are either intellectually dishonest going for a power play, or are clueless of what they want. Unfortunately, these are the people that are running the show.
You can't remove from my mind that the trans suicide epidemic is just them waking up after the surgery and realising they commited sexual suicide. It's the lobotomy of our times.
It's the main cause, specially when the Transitioner didn't had Dysphoria and realized that they altered themselves for 15 minutes of clout. And the worst part is that if your a _De-transitioner_ you're basically a pariah to them and pretend that you don't exist, so much for acceptance and what not.
@@Xfushion2Worse, if you don't lobitomize yourself with their bullshit that you're a biological woman, they think YOU'RE the one who needs "corrected". We had one of those where I worked a couple years ago. She was 18 and thought she had to gulp down and puke up the whole line of globalist bullshit cos she had an extra hole in her, and liked to chew on other people who did. I told her I'd reacted to Spironolactone exactly the way a guy with a chick brain does (calm, happy to grow tits), and had had my DNA tested by a lab that does forensic work for the FBI (turns out, XY). She still wouldn't back off the shit, even when I showed her the fucking lab reports. So one day, the first time I saw her when she came in, I said "Hey, 6!" "What? Why'd you call me '6'?" "It's short for '1966 Chrysler Newport'." "What? I'm not a 19...whatever you said!" "Yes, you are, cos I say you are." "No, I'm not a...is that a car? I'm not a car!" "If I'm a chick cos you say I am, then you're a 66 Chrysler, cos I said." "No, I'm not!" I walked away. "Yes, you are." "No, I'm NAHH" and the door closed behind me. I kept that up for a week, until she admitted defeat. She didn't admit she was wrong, she just agreed to stop saying that shit to me. That's the best you can hope for with these automatons. My managers said it was the greatest mindfucking they'd ever seen.
Thankfully we actually have data on regret rates for trans treatment, including surgery. They're incredibly low compared to normal surgeries like hip replacements. I'm sure you will now change your opinion because it's based on facts on not feelings
Transitioning doesn't prevent or reduce the likelihood of suicide. The Mayo Clinic stopped sex change operations because their studies showed the same suicide rate before and after the operation. Counseling is the better choice -- we don't give bariatric surgery to anorexics.
Chief issue is that suicide threats can be a form of emotional abuse, specifically emotional control with violence. This muddies the issue for trans people that risk being seen as just unable to accept not getting their way, and using violence to oneself to force the issue. "It's your fault I killed myself" is like "it's your fault I hit you." I probably shouldn't single out trans people as inability to get your way seems to be at the root of most progressive issues, but regardless, you can't deal with those just using guit threats.
Unrelated, but the emotional abuse part is I cab't grt into the Asper Kanojo manga, the female MC is, without realizing, putting the responsability of her life on a stranger and the manga never pushes back on how awful that behaviour is.
@@limabarreto911 That's actually brought into stark relief in the aftermath of the Yonago arc. Yokoi also chose to spell out that a significant part of his choosing to deal with her is that it made him feel better as a person.
A lot of activism has been to the detriment of the people it is meant to support, especially lately. I’m a woman and have seen too much feminist rhetoric being unfair, demoralizing, and destructive to men. As a result, I think it harms relationships and families, in addition to making men warier of women in the workplace or in general. Even if that tactic did nothing to harm women, it would still be wrong to denigrate men for being men. But because we are inextricably connected, you cannot hurt one without hurting the other.
FACTS! MGTOW exists for a VERY solid reason - it's safer to improve yourself, make your own life, and avoid women. It's sad, but true. I have seen too many innocent men get screwed over at this point. If I were a man, there is NO WAY I'd risk the current dating market. I have never felt so sorry for men as I do today, nor more ashamed of the bulk of modern women. I'm not sure how things went so badly off the rails, but at this point, I'm not even sure it can be salvaged. On a similar line, I highly recommend The Dadvocate for a wise woman talking about these issues. One of my best UA-cam finds of 2023!
Nah there is further issues with the disphoria claim. People with disphoria are almost exclusively neurodivergent, anxious, and/or depressed BEFORE experiencing body disphoria. All of these have increased rates of self deletion and can be considered the primary comorbidity. In reality, body dismorphic people should be attacking anxiety, depression, and neuro divergence well before accomidating, empowering, or bolstering transition. Im not even anti trans. Cross dress and have gay relationships, but going full "im the opposite sex in the wrong body" is just wrong and not helpful for the underlying issues causing them strife
SFO: Let me try and explain a few things you didn't cover. Sadly most academic journals and such I knew of that could reinforce this are paid access, but none of this is too edgy and it shouldn't be too difficult to verify online. I'll also throw in a pop culture reference for part of it. Warning this will be one of my long essays of a sort. To keep it as simple as possible there is a condition called Disassociative Identity Disorder, or DID. The most extreme cases are things like full on split personalities combined with a lack of recollection and such, that's what Hollywood does with this, it's usually far, far, less extreme. As a general rule a case of DID is when someone forms a personality or persona, knowing or otherwise, different from their own reality. The more points the identity differs from the actual person the more severe it is, as well as when it begins to impede functioning. It is quite possible for a case of DID to involve someone's false identity being another gender, though this is not always the case. In Hollywood terms Normal Bates would be a VERY extreme and cinematic example. At any rate one problem with the "trans movement" is that it's been long argued, and we're talking well before modern political focus, than most trans people are not actually trans, they are DID. A Trans person strictly speaking would basically be themself, and thus able to deal with society with little trouble, but just feeling like they are the wrong gender. When you start seeing people craft personas they cannot live without being in which include things like actually dressing as the opposite gender, or using a different name they see as their real name, it becomes increasingly likely it is a case of DID. Likewise, if the persona is one where it involves traits the person involved clearly does not possess at all, beyond the simple gender difference in this case, it becomes a virtual certainy. See if you have some 300 pound guy named Brad, who can only live as Stephanie, and Stephanie is a beautiful, svelte, Diva, and he insists on dressing that way, and becomes incredibly agitated with reminders that he is NOT a beautiful Diva named Stephanie, then your dealing with a severe case of DID even if the person is still aware of who they are, but simply incapable of comfortably dealing with anything outside of that persona. A common situation here is always beauty, and of course not-so attractive men who insist on running around in sexualized outfits that few women with the looks would wear in those times and places, and then insisting their life needs to be like some Hollywood fantasy of a mega star at the height of the career, and this is who they really are. I'm sure we've all seen this, especially online, and remember the problem here is how far it departs from any semblance of reality, and the reactions that happen when this is intruded on, them requiring the world to play along with this fantasy. Now here is the thing, beyond the trans aspect of it, DID cases can often result in suicide. The problem isn't so much the scorn of society, it's that eventually the world cannot live up to the fantasy for obvious reasons. No matter what happens someone like Brad is always going to be aware of what they are, and their fantasy is not, and cannot ever be real, especially if it involves components like physical idealism, or acceptance of certain behaviors, that by definition cannot be real. Tolerating and playing along with such people as opposed to seeing them treated is what is going to cause the suicide, either due to being unable to deal with their reality and knowing even the friendliest peer group is lying to them. Thus tolerating a lot of what is being called trans behavior inaccurately is actually what is literally killing trans people. The suicide rate being very similar to the condition as a whole, and it could involve things in theory that have nothing to do with gender, like some guy who say thinks he has super powers, which could just be a joke in his peer group, until one day he can't deal with the reality, or throws himself off a roof to desperately prove to himself he really could fly if he wanted to. This is why treatment is needed. Among other things understand that according to the last reliable, non-political, studies, roughly 5% of the population is not "straight". Of that 5% you roughly have 2% bi-sexual, 1% gay, and 1% lesbian, the remaining 1% is everything else which includes trans, aesexual, and so on. More people claim it now due to a pop psychology boom on the subject as bad as the one that caused problems in the 80s, and the attention and benefits than can be garnered. Likewise from what I'm still hearing it's widely believed a lot of other disorders that might have sexual components in this direction are being folded into it rather than being identified and treated properly. Your typical person who claims to be "trans" for example likely being a DID case, especially if it's very overt, and the persona existing as a shield, for example nobody can heard Brad if they only see "Stephanie", and if your looking at someone who is well... sub-par physically, you might guess how this could gradually manifest and why they think something like being a girl who can get by on their looks would change everything for them. There can be other causes as well, including pure attention seeking that gets out of control, I mean people can go DID just by basically starting with a game and then doing it so long they lose track of what's real. Hence why actual diagnosis, by a proper psychologist who is not pursuing an agenda, is very important to such things, and you will find VERY quickly that most people claiming alternative sexual identities, especially very rare ones, have never had a formal diagnosis, and will actually resist any suggestion they do so, this is because most DID cases and such are aware of who they are as opposed to full on split personalities. They are I guess to put it unprofessionally.... people who crawled really far up their own head and got stuck there.... and yes I have had to study things like Abnormal Psych, and have way more than just an intro class (which would still be more than what most people who would try and argue with me have). As long as this is, I will also say that the LGBTQ+ community has always been prone to violence, but if you study criminal justice and dig into the forgotten realities behind the statistics, you'll find the perpetrators are generally other members of the LGBTQ+ community far more than anyone else. While there has been violence against such people, it's long been misrepresented, among other things you'll find such people have long former their own communities line San Francisco, Provincetown, and similar places and regions both famous and not. Those are generally where a lot of the violence happens, and trust me it's not because straight people were engaging in road trips to attack them. While dated by design, things like "American Horror Story: NYC" drew on a lot of truth, before it's obvious agenda. Things like the hankerchief code did exist, as did various ways of leaving codes at gay bars for hook ups, and various newsletters and other things. While not all people in the LGBTQ+ community are extremely kinky, there has always been a lot of overlap, as well as a tendency towards casual sex, especially if a long term and open relationship might be too overt when they were keeping it on the down low. What this means is that a lot of predators who say didn't care about the identity but just wanted to hurt people, would get involved in such areas, and then find their prey there. Your "trans person" being sexually assaulted is likely going to happen from other people in the community as most non-LGBTQ+ people don't find that attractive (think about it) unless they jus want to hurt people in general. The show even explored some of this to some extent, albeit with a tiny sub-section of this, and to be fair a bit of bad information even by Criminal Justice standards (I was studying when that was more recent, so that's why I know the real inspirations for a lot of it). One reason why there have been problems dealing with the community violence and sexual assaults is simply because everyone involved plays a victim card for the press, and nobody really wants to look into or see the communities policed, including people in the communities. It's sort of like how most violence against black people comes from other black people when you look at the actual realities behind the statistics.... that however isn't a useful political or social tool. Thus the problems continue along with the lies and misrepresentation. Your not going to catch the people who primarily victimize the LGBTQ+ community by looking at straight people, no matter how many ministers in the bible belt talk crap. Obviously they aren't making road trips to the places where it mostly happens with baseball bats. Nobody thinks that through, very few attacks are in the communities with the rhetoric because the LGTQ+ people there keep it REALLY low key for obvious reasons.
Forcing people to bend to your will because of you have suicidal thoughts is basically guilt tripping. A very toxic relationship. Honestly the more I hear about trans-activists shenanigans, the more I hate them. They're just two-faced, goal-shifting, detached from reality liars.
The entire crux of this argument relys on interventions, medical or otherwise to have a measurable impact on suicidality. The numbers do not bare that out. Suicide rates are the same pre and post transition
Small side note, but when you talked about accessibility activism my mind went to a case where different disabilities are cannibalizing one another. Specifically there's been these stupid little bumps added to almost every crosswalk into the street around me to indicate to blind people where the sidewalk transitions to the road. Of course the problem with this is that people in wheelchairs or requiring other mobility help, are completely hindered by these. My father recently broke his ankle and required a little push scooter to get around and every time he got to one of those it became a real challenge to get over them and not fall over.
@@lithunoisan Apparently so. I think I've seen a blind person walking around by themselves exactly once in my entire life, but got to have them on every corner now. Small aside, but my mother used to manage a commercial property and the amount of shit that small business owners have to pay out of their own pockets to reach the ADA requirements is insane and they constantly change the rules to force you to keep paying. After hearing her dealing with it I actually became convinced that the ADA is nothing but the path to hell paved in good intentions and should be repealed or heavily limited.
I’ll always remember watching a video of Trans activists talking about how gender and sex are different, so they’re not against science. But then one of them threw a hissy fit because his drivers license has the “wrong SEX” on it. These people’s tactics are to confuse you. Like lawyers, they’ll try to slip in any doubts and pry your morals open with it.
One someone who lives in a city with huge huge honking library needs to look up in an as old dictionary available to see if sex and gender have always been separate. Two they never keep it separate. Hell I saw a video claiming trans people's bodies tend to function more like their claimed gender. Well it was a lawyer reacting to a trans interviewer anyways. Then in some other video someone in a comment section that claiming the same thing. As an explanation as to why men in dress up should he allowed to compete against women. That is a supposed biology explanation for being trans.
26 "rannies" got killed in a year? Oh my God, the catastrophe! Such a major problem! Such a huge issue! The government needs to create a well-funded organization in order to combat such a massive societal problem. Give me a godamn break...
@@hildegardvonbingen9092 Point to any police misconduct and you find 50 things society got wrong before police got involved. Asserting police are the most immediate problem distracts from how society is broken at more fundamental levels.
Trans woman here. I clicked on this video fully expecting to laugh at it, but I believe you actually made some interesting points. I don't necessarily agree with everything you said, but I'm glad you approached this conversation in good faith. I was medically diagnosed with gender dysphoria about three years ago, and I began HRT about two years ago, but I don't subscribe to the notion that my medicalization is a pretense for how I should be treated. Medical definitions change constantly, and they bring with them a set of arbitrary requirements which do not inherently underpin one's discomfort in their own body. It's an appeal to authority, and that authority is something I have no agency over. Think back to massive fuss that happened when "gender dysphoria" changed names from "gender identity disorder" or when the DSM5 ceased to classify gender dysphoria as a mental illness "to reduce stigma". Furthermore, consider how people diagnosed with Austim Spectrum Disorder are not allowed to immigrate to New Zealand. Medicalization is not as operational and rigid as we like to believe, and it isn't always going to operate in our best interests. Objectively speaking, I know myself better than anyone else. I knew I hated being a man, and I knew transition was right for me. As long as I'm allowed to make those decisions for myself, I'm happy. Everything else (people not rolling down their windows to catcall/harass whenever I walk around town) would certainly be nice though.
3:44 Remember - if vocal criticism leads to mental issues and self harm, many people on the left consider that as violence and have publicly stated that position. It's not being "quietly slipped in".
How is it dehumanizing to state biological fact while never saying they're not people, but referring to anyone not politically alligned with you subhuman and treating them in such ways isn't?
If we were talking about a relationship between 2 people and one of them was constantly theeatening to take their life if they didn't get their way we'd correctly label it as an abusive relationship. Somehow when you take this dynamic, and apply it on a national scale the nature of the relationship becomes inverse, but only in this one case.
11:40 as someone with autism I can agree with that concept. But that doesnt mean we give them everything they ask for. Just what they need, and what will most effectively help them live in society, using as few recourses as possible to that end. So basically it always comes back to this question, I wish we could ask more often but its layered under many other dumb arguments; Is transitioning really what is best for gender dysphoria? I disagree with the idea, I think therapy and self acceptance as they are rather than this imagined gender variant persona, is better for mental health, than chasing an identity that doesnt really exist.
"I think therapy and self acceptance as they are rather than this imagined gender variant persona, is better for mental health" Unfortunately- the movement has lobbied for therapists to not be able to deny or discuss the "gender identity" of those who come to them seeking help, instead they have to unilaterally push them towards medical mutilation, and "reversible" hormonal adjustment, even when it is clear they are suffering from an entirely different set of issues.
I agree that often it’s important to affirm the rights of disadvantaged groups, but in a case like the transgender community, I don’t think society owes them anything. Arguing we need to make any adjustments at all for them is like arguing we need to have guards stationed at schizophrenics houses because they’re afraid of doctors coming to get them. We shouldn’t give into this delusion.
To this day nobody has been able to provide a definition of what 'rights' trans people don't have that doesn't boil down to 'special privileges' and 'unfettered access to other people's children'.
@@kaspi001That's why their phrase "Trans rights are human rights" makes that record-scratch noise in my brain. Well no shit, human rights. I'm a trans chick, not a fucking dog.
Damn, I wonder if that has anything to do with what you say being interpreted as what you actually said, and not some distorted psycho version of what you might have possibly implied.
@@blacktigerpaw1 from the national intimate partner and sexual violence study direct quote Violence by an Intimate Partner • The lifetime prevalence of rape, physical violence, and/or stalking by an intimate partner was: For women:
I once had a girlfriend who, in every serious argument, would threaten suicide. She had learned through reinforcement while growing up that if she pitched a fit and threatened to off herself, she would get what she wanted. This trans suicide meme is the same thing; it's a bargaining chip. I eventually left her, but the last time she threatened it, while driving in the car with her daughter and yelling at me on the phone about whatever, I called the police and reported her. The sheepish look on her face when she got escorted in the house by a cop coming in to do a wellness check is something will never forget. It may have been the dawning of realization that we were through, because her shtick would no longer work.
I'm gonna put this as concisely as possible - words mean things; suicide means to kill ones' self/die by ones' own hand; I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT ANOTHER PERSON CHOOSES TO DO. If a trans person kills themselves because they can't deal with reality, THAT IS THEIR CHOICE. NOT ANYONE ELSE'S PROBLEM.
Sort of yes people do ultimately decide to commit suicide themselves but that doesn't mean noone is to blame for driving them to such a point per se for example in one flew over the cuckoo's nest
From a psychological perspective, this is just "My mental illness makes me more suicidal". It's not society's fault that you're emotionally unstable. The empathetic solution is to encourage you to seek help, not indulge your delusion. Saying to a mentally ill person - or anyone, for that matter - "you can believe whatever you want and we will accept it as true" will hurt the individual and society.
There is a presupposition here that transgenderism should be entertained in the first place. That is a question whose answer is not obvious, and demands asking. You cannot maintain a culture or society you enjoy living within if your behaviour erodes and destroys it.
@@ethanhinton4549 The medication and therapy is designed to treat unhealthy weight loss which can lead to death. Helping you change your body image is only effective insofar as it convinces you to stop harmful practices like purging or undereating. Trans-positive therapy and medications actually serves the exact same purpose - it helps people conform to the body image they desire which reduces the odds that they self-harm. It's got nothing to do with "delusion."
There is a form of abuse in relationships in which one party will use threats of self harm/suicide to control the other person. Trans activism often feels like that on a social level.
At around 11:00 , I remembered a video talking about a meme trolley problem and taking it seriously. "There's 1 track that goes in a circle and the trolley is rolling towards someone tied to the track. You can throw the lever, but that will only cause the trolley to change directions, but you can throw the lever as many times as you want. The person cannot ever get up and off the tracks, and you're the only one who can throw the lever. Do you throw the lever, and how long do you keep doing it?" It calls upon how much duty to preserve life a person actually has.
"It's 'extermination' to the killers because they do not believe their victims are fully human." I will say it again. "Justification is the magic word that transforms ordinary people into monsters.".
The issue is that trans people won't settle on a consistent framework that explains what they are and what accommodations they require because the activists are after the abolition of the entire concept of sex whole sale. If they stick to the medical explanation then they risk having their activism game cut short by the possibility of an objective set of medical criteria. But if you stick to the Judith Butler explanation then there's no emotional blackmail to push the issue into the public consciousness as relentlessly. Whether they are doing this purposefully or not they know there's power in this charade and once it goes away their power will disappear as well and there will be an angry group who got caught up in their shifting narrative that they will have to contend with.
Interesting that you brought up disability activism, because there is a trend lately in that realm, mainly among chronically online young people with "invisible" disabilities like autism, of people ditching the "medical model" of disability entirely and adopting a "social model" of disability where they see their disability in a very esoteric way, as a different "state of being" or "way of existing" rather than a medical condition, in a very similar way to how modern trans activists see trans-ness as an alternative lifestyle rather than a medical condition. The disability activism equivalent of "you don't need dysphoria to be trans" is "you don't need an autism/ADHD/whatever diagnosis to be neurodivergent". It is perhaps not very surprising then that a significant proportion of people who espouse this more esoteric view of disability are also trans and/or non-binary. Honestly, as someone who has been diagnosed with autism myself, and on the lower maintenance/"higher functioning" end of the spectrum at that, I can definitely see the appeal in a more society-centric/esoteric/spiritual view of autism given how vast the autism spectrum is and the fact that we still don't really know exactly what causes it, but at the same time to apply this view to all disabilities completely undoes all the decades of work done by previous generations of disabled activists including wheelchair users, deaf activists and blind activists, which are obviously very different beasts than the abstract category of "neurodivergence", as well as the work done to accommodate those "lower functioning" autists who have very different support needs. In my opinion the solution would be to socially consider people with physical disabilities, severe intellectual disabilities, and those autists who have very high support needs to be in a different camp than people who are simply "neurodivergent", in much the same way as some gay/lesbian/queer activists are now trying to separate themselves from the trans activists. In practical terms most people already kind of do this anyway, and at this stage the social view of neurodivergence hasn't quite gone in the same direction as trans activism in that most autism and disability rights activists generally agree that there isn't currently an "autism genocide" happening right now, and the language associated with this view has generally been adopted in a much more casual manner within the autistic community as we talk and ponder about our experiences as autists with each other. There are of course some militant radicals who conduct themselves in the same way that radical trans activists do, but they are still largely on the margins of both disability rights activism and the general autistic/neurodiverse community.
What also needs to be addressed is that some activists express a need for reality to bend to accommodate someone's subjective experience, with there being no possible outcome where said person is steered away from being trans...
@@1048Kane two parties are at fault, do we criticise one and deflect all criticisms of the second by reminding of the first? No, you just criticise both by not partisan projecting. What you’re doing is basically saying rules for thee not for me
When someone claims to be trans, they're usually suggesting that their body doesn't match their mind. So, how about we think that shit all the way through then? Because that means one of two things; either their minds are broken, or their bodies are broken. The claim is that their bodies require "treatment" (drugs and surgery) to be brought into alignment with their minds. However, when we can clearly see that a person's body is healthy and functioning properly (before they damage it with drugs and surgeries), that means the true source of their issue lies within the mind itself. _Perhaps that is what is broken and in need of repair!_
This is what I've never understood. If someone has gender dysphoria, why do we do muiltilative surgeries and pump them full of opposite sex hormones, when we can just pump them full of same-sex hormones to counteract the imbalance that causes gender dysphoria in the first place?
@@ethanhinton4549 I honestly think Jungian psychology should be mandatory throughout the education system. Essentially, everyone has two halves to their personality. The animus and the anima; the masculine and feminine aspects of their own subconscious. With that being said, a man who likes feminine things isn't "born in the wrong body", or even necessarily gay. In actuality, he is simply more attuned with his anima than with that of his animus. The same can be said for women as well. A woman who just so happens to enjoy masculine things isn't "born in the wrong body", or even necessarily a lesbian either. It is significantly more likely that she just has a stronger connection to her animus. People need to learn how to love themselves for who they are, instead of fundamentally altering themselves into someone else entirely. It speaks volumes for one's lack of self-esteem.
I suppose this explains the confusion around what Trans really refers to. I always believed that it refers to people with Gender Dysphoria, but you can definitely see a large vocal crowd online insult you for gatekeeping with that interpretation. These same people will argue for Trans rights on the grounds of Gender Dysphoria, but still leave the definition as "anyone who identifies as trans" without taking the next logical step and realizing that if all the justification for rights comes from Gender Dysphoria, then making Trans have an open lifestyle like definition is unnecessarily confusing. If not another layer of the Motte and Bailey, maybe they just do so to not upset the Trans Activists who will cannibalize them over such a disagreement.
It also creates a contradiction with the demands from activists. If gender dysphoria is irrelevant to being trans, then why must we give access to medical surgeries to trans people (and especially underage people) when its purpose is to relieve gender dysphoria?
Might be a hot take from the Dev perspective, but I think there should be more restrictions on "trans affirming care", purely for the fact that far too many people who become convinced they are trans are railroaded into the damaging treatments that have long lasting effects. Before you get to hormones and/or (heaven forbid) surgery, literally every other viable option must be exhausted to help that person, only then can you commit to the irreversible.
So what comes first, the chicken or the egg. You make the argument that trans activism is suicide prevention. Thus, I would argue, that the notion of validation culture is responsible for the suicide, and not, the disallowing of trans activism to overrun social systems. As long as we continue to make kids believe that they must be validated by society and thus society MUST validate them, you will have higher rates of suicide. And suicide rates are up across the board, not just for trans or gays.
"If you make their lives so unbearable that they kill themselves, it's safe to say you have blood in your hands." Does that apply to "if you make their lives so unbearable by bullying them because they played a Harry Potter game that they have to quit their job, it's safe to say you're partly responsible for their suffering"? Seriously Dev. Sometimes you make reasonable arguments only to contradict them in a different discussion.
I love how this strategy is completely backfiring and NOBODY wants to deal with with them anymore, they’ve now created the very sort of discrimination they’ve been whining about.
I'll never get over "bonus hole" -- I swear that's one of those things that must have originally come out of 4chan, but no one has realized it yet. There's just no way, y'know?!
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A prime example of a toxic relationship is "do as I want or I'll kill myself"
Kids are actually being instructed to threaten self harm if anyone questions the gender ideology that was uploaded to their future NPC hard drive.
Then you tell them do it and walk away.
It is straight up severe emotional abuse, and it's being inflicted upon millions upon millions of people.
It used to be a common tactic for some youth back in the day to basically take themselves hostage with threats if killing themselves to get what they want from friends and family. These days, I think the youth have adopted this same strategy but were able to create a group around it and extend that hostage situation to include the public and institutions.
@@UtubeH8tr Jeez no. I mean yea walk away, but don't tell them to do it either.
"Do socialists want to genocide the bourgeois?"
Yes, Dev. That is quite literally part of what Marx outlined.
Add to this their socialist tendency for purity spirals. They will always slaughter each other as they become the next bourgeois. The next target of hate.
@@09f9UA-cam eats mine even if I use anything in place of the letters.
Yeah but your average socialist IS the bourgeoisie so no, they don't want to genocide them.
And who is the stand in for modern bourgeoise ? It’s them evil conservative nazis
@@orirune3079no, they do. They’re just too stupid to know that they are them.
My Armenian ancestors had to hide in Camel sacks in order to escape Ottoman Turkey where they were in fact forcing Armenian women and children on death marches through the desert. The fact that these activist think their struggle is the same as the Armenians, Jews, Tutsi, and others who have faced REAL genocide is disgusting. Full stop.
Kind of implies to me that a lot of these people are just perpetually bored and desperate for a cause to get behind due to the lack of religion/spirituality and community to fill that void of meaning and because their lives are so priveleged, comfy, and safe that they try to manufacture struggle or co-opt the struggle of others in the absence of personal challenge and hardship.
"Genocide" in this context is the loss of revolutionary energy. It's Newspeak.
When you say "ancestors", how many generations back are we talking. The camel sack story seems weird, like is this a story passed down through generations, or something recorded in history books that your applying to your own family?
@@sirrealism7300Like three or four. The story clearly takes place around the time of Young Turks Turkey, and skinning a dead camel and going inside its stomach wouldn't be the weirdest thing someone would do to survive
the east still struggles with lack of food, water, electricity etc.
the west cries about microagressions.
the west needs to wake up to reality.
I remember a time when threatening to kill yourself unless you get your way was considered abusive
It's the end result of "left-ism", the complete abdcation of responsavility and pushing it all onto others, to the most bitter end.
It’s a rules for thee thing. Many of these activists are well aware of their manipulation tactics. Naive people are the easiest to fool if you are a good actor.
That's why youve gotta call their bluff. Theyre either not going to do it, or they're no longer a problem.
Yep😢
It used to get you committed
"Do what I want or I'll kill myself!"
There's a term for that: emotional blackmail.
i always say go ahead.
As a Christian I don’t want them to kill themselves…. But If it happens then it’s on them.
They let their demons destroy them
So trans activism is basically being Eric Cartman unironically.
Cartman opposes "MAPs", so that's one point of contention
Always has been
@@danielutriabrooks477yes but trans don't
Yea
But Meeeuuummm!!
The bottom line, from my perspective, is that I'm not going to alter my behavior to accommodate a delusion that I can only guess might exist in a given person. Trans activists are asking for accommodations on a population-wide level that are only justifiable on an individual level. If I'm interacting with a person who I know sees the world a particular way, I'm going to go out of my way not to insult that perspective. But I'm absolutely not going to self-censor based on assumptions. There's no logical endpoint for that process. If you don't draw the line somewhere, you end up not being able to say anything to anyone until you've heard them explain everything they believe.
Remember, it's more important that the world be workable than it be fair. We can only be as fair as nature allows.
its not even a delusion for most, alot of them are just fetishists or people with an attraction displacement, AKA they are attracted to women.. but they end up attracted to themselves becoming/dressed/accepted as a women, hence why that archetype of trans people are overwhelmingly "lesbians", they know what reality is, which makes it all the more annoying when you know the person your talking to, a 35 year old person in a incredibly gaudy pink princess dress with tons of fetish stuff on demands you take them and their lifestyle seriously.
The "we love equity" crowd won't agree with you on any of those points. To them, these protected groups are the most important, so if you're lower in their oppression pyramid, your grievances aren't valid. Their comfort will always trump the well-being of the non-protected majority.
It's pretty ironic considering these are collectivists, ain't it? It's like the aristocrats (or nobility) are back, and they want you to respec their pronouns!
@@Digger_TN They love using mind games to counteract their own pathetic weakness.
If we just stopped paying taxes today, leftism would die tomorrow.
Can you imagine the dopamine hit they get from getting all of sociaty to change for them?
There will never be an end because people will never stop enabling.
I hate the words "neurodivergent" and "valid" as theyre used in our language, and i find them to be offensive and cringe.
But i, as a "disabled" person, cant force others to shut the absolute fuck up when they use them lol.
In fact, when ive mentioned to progs about how i dislike the term "neurodivergent" they get angry and _me_ for policing _their_ speech that they believe is correct. And tell _me_ to shut up 😂
Fun fact: neurodivergent is not a medical term but a sociological one
Valid.
jk lol.
@@limabarreto911 I've heard it as a medical term. Specifically for people who are ASD or ADHD. As in people who literally have Neurological differences which make them act a might goofier than 90-95% of the rest of the world.
@@limabarreto911It may have started that way, but nonetheless, it's sticking as a medical/diagnostic one now. I think they were originally going with neurotypical and neuroatypical, but I think that was confusing for too many normies, especially since neuroatypical was abbreviated as NA, which already has several meanings.
As someone with ASD and ADHD, I certainly hear it used a lot in the wider community, especially as people get more informed, overall, that these are, in fact, brain and processing differences.
Sorry you gotta deal with that nonsense, mate. But that's how commies and authoritarians are. It all only ever goes one way. During GamerGate, we saw the SJWs of yore use women as their shields, and many gamer women stood up against them with the "Not Your Shield" hashtag. They, of course, attacked these women or just ignored them. They care about nothing but their own vulgar use of power.
I recently saw a video about a "trans" blind lady who thought she should be blind even tho she had perfectly fine sight. She eventually found a therapist who affirmed her views and helped her find a way to make her permanently blind by pouring chemicals into her eyes for 30 minutes. After the "procedure" they rushed her to the hospital where they tried to restore her sight, but ultimately failed making her permanently blind.
What really hit me in this story was how the therapist justified her actions which lead to the lady losing her sight. She claimed it was a treatment.
Which has made me wonder what really makes this horror story so different from transitioning? Because in the core both follow the same principles; persons mind is in conflict with the functions of their physical body creating great discomfort, so to treat this great discomfort you must permanently change your body through invasive medical procedures.
So why is it that the other is considered self mutilation while the other a medical treatment? The only answer I can come up with is that one is normalized and one isn't, even tho at the core they are the same.
Sounds like xenomelia, sometimes they even remove arms and legs.
Theyre the same.
Yeah, I remember if you made a dark joke the therapist would lock you in an assylum.
I find it weird how "affitmation is valid and works" yet suicide rates went up to 42% in 2018, 54% in 2021, and 61-73% in 2023. While countries that banned minors gettins surgeries (Sweden I believe) saw a decrease in suicides.
+The fact 1000 trans people are questioned for statistics. Yet the study only inlcudes less than 10 people who all say "it was all great". Where did the other 996 dissapear to? What they say, what the studies say, are both questionable compared to reality
affirmation doesn't work for the AGP's, and it never will, the more support they get, the more allergic they are to anything that triggers them.
There are lies, damn lies, and statistics.
@@keithfilibeck2390 And AGPs are the overwhelming majority if we're being honest.
And yeah, it should not be done anyway. You don't affirm delusions of grandeur, you put a stop to that shit and get them therapy to help with doing so if need be. You're not "being yourself", you're pretending to be someone you're not.
@@SkylineFTW97 oh absolutely they are, but that mere fact is one they spend alot of effort hiding/denying, same with the very idea of AGP as a concept, you cannot argue with these people, they deny any reality that doesn't affirm their desires.
@@keithfilibeck2390 It's like trying to tell Chris Chan that the merge isn't gonna happen (or that he is in fact still a he)
26? If that's the case, why don't we have a "National 'Got Eaten By a Shark'" day where we remember the loss of 41 people who saw a fin in the water and thought "hey, I'm going to to play with that!"
The date of the celebration will be the same as Jaws' release date
@@danielutriabrooks477 My name is Cocktails & Consoles and I support this message!
@@danielutriabrooks477 I hate to admit it but this made me chuckle when it shouldn't have. Bravo.
Swimming with sharks is probably safer than being in the gender cult. Statistically.
Absolutely, I even happen to identify as having been eaten by a shark btw, we need more representation
8:05 All of the laws termed "anti trans" are merely the legalizing of the status quo. Preventing athletes from competing in their identified versus birth gender is status quo. Retricting prepubescent kids from sexual drag shows is status quo. Preventing trans people from being treated as an exceptional minority is status quo. Restricting the use of novel and extraordinary medical experimentation (which is what gender affirming care currently is) on children before the age of majority is status quo. Thus the way that opposition to "anti-trans" laws translates is opposition to the legal and cultural status quo before Current Year.
It was always illegal to bring children to strip shows, how they managed to avoid arrests for that issue is beyond me.
The fact we need to go through these loops to protect people is weird.
@@andrewgreeb916 Yup. And the laws are all reactive: activists violated some norm that had previously not needed to be enshrined in law, a law was passed to codify the norm and stop them from doing it again, and they started to bleat about "anti-trans" legislation when it was ultimately more like outlawing things that people already didn't want done but previously didn't need to criminalize.
@@andrewgreeb916 Weird in the moment, predictable over time. There are a lot of laws that shoulda been made, but it took a scandal to make people realize it. Zoophilia and beastiality is one of them, and over the Costa Concordia scandal, attempted insurance fraud was gotten away with because Hungary at the time didn't actually have laws against it.
I'm pretty sure hate crime laws applies to trans people before they became abundantly in the political sphere 5 years ago.
It's like what's called "retroactive terminology".
Acoustic guitars weren't called that until electric guitars came along
Steam locomotives weren't called that until diesels showed up. Not even when the first electrics appeared in 1895. They were called "motors". "Electric locomotive" also came into use after the diesel.
Same with "film camera".
Laws are the same way. The first law that banned mvrder probably only appeared after the first time a guy k!lled someone.
I'm a trans chick (for real, not just "cos I said"), and I've recognized from the start that what the leftards call "anti-trans" laws are not against trans people themselves, but the use of trans activism as part of the globalists' demonic plan of world domination. I knew this was coming, and looked forward to it, cos for some weird reason, most people actually want to have a world to live in. They like having food and shelter, too. And tough shit if the globalists don't like it.
As someone who identifies as giga male, I need testosterone to alleviate my gender disphoria. Saddly I was assigned male at birth and it's much harder for me to get androgens because I'm not a teenage girl.
The idea of feeling insufficiently masculine and using androgens to alleviate this disphoria fits within the trans paradigm, but alas, my oppression continues.
If I recall, there is actual scientific evidence that giving trans-identified males testosterone alleviates their dysphoria more than giving them estrogen. So hilariously, you're not that far off.
Have you tried steroids?
He’s trying
I think that having a heavily masculine oriented gender identity is valid and you should have access to use hormones for super-physiologic use if you choose. This literally IS the whole idea of why it's fine for people to medically transition, you can pursue a body and gender expression that fits your gender identity better. But then again we should ban it because only 99%+ of bodybuilders don't regret transition. (sorry I meant trans people not bodybuilders)
I know you're trying to make a point about how "easy" it is for trans men to get testosterone, but why is it hard for cis men to get TRT? The real question is why is it hard to get testosterone at all, even if you're informed doctors can still refuse it from you in many places.
Also if easy means waiting until you're 18 in most states, or years regardless of your age in the UK, Then I'd love to see what hard is.
You can get these treatments actually because gender affirming care predates the trans stuff. You might not get testosterone, but they might give other things
Almost all of the anti trans laws are fine. They are almost always just stuff like, banning it for kids, banning them in female sports, and dont push propaganda in school.
Yea that's not fine. It's laws in direct conflict with medical science.
@@connor5669 Appeal to authority. What science? The entire concept of trans is in conflict with actual science.
I wouldn’t say that not getting special treatment is “anti-trans.”
@@graye2799 The entire concept? Wtf are you talking about. Why can't you entertain the idea that gender is psychological and trans people understand their relationship to their gender?
@connor5669 because it isn't. Gender has basically been a synonym for sex foe basically all its existence until a bunch if hack fraud academics decided to try and change it to fit their poltics. More like got groomed into it while having other psychological issues and then get deep into the sunk cost fallacy.
So... we've all noticed that the one trait common to 99.9% of trans people is that they're constantly online, right? Nobody thinks that's a bit strange?
It's not strange at all, sounds completely consistent to me. People who spend more time in the fake world than the real world develop a delusional view of the real world.
Everybody knows. That's why the touch grass meme is a meme.
Because millennials and especially Gen Z are constantly online, and most trans people are in those groups.
@@rbfilms4752 No, logic is bad, we must insult
There's still plenty of millennials and Zoomers who aren't terminally online.@@rbfilms4752
It's probably best exemplified by the activists moving to get gender dysphoria recognized in the DSM and they would point to that as a rationale for the activism, "look, it's an actual medical condition," but then when the dialogue got pushed into the mainstream the same activists said that gender dysphoria had to be removed from the DSM because it was offensive to say it's a mental illness.
the fact it was, purely from activist pressure, should tell you the state of mental illness and psychologists, everything that people tell you is undeniably truth can "change" with enough pressure.
People's offenses shouldn't affect science.
"See me pleeeeeease!"
Medical community - ok.
"Noooooo, not like thaaaaat!!!!"
Because they're two different camps. For the longest time, the general public viewpoint of trans people (when they were even acknowledged) was that they were just weird people choosing to play dress up. The push to get gender dysphoria recognized as a medical condition was aimed at helping curtail that opinion by providing an objective source. After all, it's a lot harder to hold something against someone if it's "not their fault" according to science versus it being a personal choice of theirs.
Gay people went through the same thing. For a long time, acknowledging that being gay was not a choice but instead a medical condition was actually a progressive way of looking at it, because it dispelled the notion that gay people were just degenerates making an "unnatural" choice. It was better than what existed before, but there's still stigma associated with something being a mental illness, and treating it as a purely medical issue also gives people the means to deny someone's identity, so viewpoints have shifted. Being gay isn't portrayed as a "choice," but it's not really progressive to say that people are born gay either, even if that was better in the past.
Trans activists have simply changed with the times. It's better for trans people to be acknowledged than denied outright, but broadly speaking, "trans medicalism" has become unpopular because it still hurts a lot of trans people. People have overly simplistic ideas about how mental illnesses ought to be managed (in this context it's trans people getting told they should deny how they feel) and broadly you should not need a medical diagnosis to affirm your personal identity.
You're alleging some kind of hypocrisy but all that's actually happened is people have moved toward activism that is more inclusive.
awesome pfp, who is it and where is he from?
The sad part is that this is the same motte and bailey used by disability activism. Accommodations are negotiated based on medical necessity, but when the possibility of fixing the disability is brought up, it suddenly becomes a matter of lifestyle and identity.
It's why I have nothing to do with the autism cOmMuNiTY despite being one myself.
@@_BirdOfGoodOmen literally this!!! I don't get why people are so opposed to the possibility of being cured of something that actively hinders their ability to live normally
Don't bring up cochlear implants with some of the deaf community.
@@kameronpan2939I think if there really were a "cure" an awful lot of us autistic folks would jump at the chance. Of course, I would have to know what the downside is. If I would have to give up my "special powers", as I think of them, just to eliminate the drawbacks, I'm a lot less interested. But if I can keep my bonuses, and remove my drawbacks, how do you NOT take that deal?
To me, the big question is "what does cure mean, and how are you doing it."
Medications can be tested, and you can stop taking them if they don't work. Therapies can be tried, the same way. Brain surgery, though, is a one-way, with no telling what the outcome will be until after the fact.
This happens so much in autistic circles lmao it's hilarious to watch them mald that's why I hate interacting with most autistic people as an autistic man
Imagine just trying to explain the concept of trans activism to your 2010 self. This shit has gotten so insane in such a short time, I think a lot of us lose sight of just how crazy it all is.
I knew then, I just didn't know that the people embodying the activism would be Batman Villain tier nutters, but I knew even back then the origins of it all in Postmodernist thought and thus, it was built on complete bullshit.
"A trans person is someone who- Oh for crying out loud can you put down Wii remote and listen to me!"
My 2010 self saw the linguistic warmachine start moving adjacent to the "skeptic" / "new atheism" spaces, and it's been one continuous siege against clarity since.
Back in 2010 I would have been comparing it to Creationism
@@RichardHardslab creationism has a lot more merit than leftism. It's nonsense, but evolution has some holes too, and the real truth is we just don't know how life began, and why. Just that unknown entity makes creationism far more conceivable than saying a man can become a woman just by saying he's a woman. We know with absolute certainty that isn't true.
Have to wonder- people talk up sex changes and affirmation like it's the only thing standing between a trans person and death. It's sold like a miracle cure to people who are absolutely desperate to make their mental anguish more bearable.
How badly does it fuck with someone's head when they realize that the hormones and surgery and pronouns didn't turn them into a perfectly happy and healthy person? That the depression and anxiety and any other mental illness and trauma are all still there?
I know rightoids love talking about the "irreversible damage" of transitioning, but honestly, this insistence that transitioning is The Cure gets to me more. These are desperate and often seriously ill people. What are they gonna do when they realize that they're still stuck with their unbearable burdens despite all they did, that they were convinced that the only way they could keep going was if this took some of that weight away, that they're so "broken" that not even the miracle cure worked on them?
I sometimes see vids from trans creators who spend the entire runtime basically coping with the fact that, as it turns out, they still had problems. They conceived their transition as the Cure, and only afterward realized they have to keep living. That there was a very real possibility that the Gender Euphoria they experienced immediately afterwards was an emotional peak they'll never have again.
I dunno. The only personal connection I had in this matter already killed themselves. They had so many other mental health problems besides gender dysphoria. None of the hormones or affirmation did a goddamn thing.
yeah, I think that's the main issue too
No one is "born in the wrong body."
The unconventionally behaved should not be damned to miserable lives of constant dysfunction and medical issues in attempt to pursue their "true selves."
Throughout history, feminine men and masculine women had full happy lives with their own families, never having healthy body parts removed/flipped.
I never thought I'd unironically advocate for femboys, but yeah, at least they are way healthier than... this...
Too bad. Epsteen types have catalogues to fill.
@@jeremychicken3339 That's not what this is about, either. The world used to have way less "femboys" 50 years ago, for instance. All of this bullshit is being peddled to vulnerable children online, all hidden behind colourful rainbow flags and cute character pfps. Do you really believe that some men are incapable of existing without wearing a skirt? Its some crazy shit.
most people who question their sex grow out of it, we let people be tomboys or tomgirls and they usually just grow out of it or just stay as a tom, transitioning them and affirming it specifically hurts those people
You are born in the right body.. you can be unhappy about it tho. So there is a difference. But accepting the fat that .. i can change this body to how i would like it to be ( plastic surgery).. is a more healthy approach..than no.. you[‘re in the wrong body.. you’re actaully xyz..
Vs.. I know I’ll never be a woman, man.. but I’m goign to do my best to make this body comfortable.. thats the difference with a. Healthy trans, vs a dellusional activist
Banning mirrors. I wouldn't be surprised at this point. The mirror tells no lies and the truth is painful.
Reminds me of a scene from the stupid invaders game where Candy is abducted by a sex pervert and in the sex pervert's bathroom is a mirrored covered up with an illustration of what the pervert wishes they looked like.
As an ugly person myself, I'll let everyone in on a secret: Don't look at the mirror. It is that easy.
What 'anti-trans' laws coming into effect in the US do you disagree with? The only laws I've seen even proposed at this stage that could remotely be considered 'anti-trans' have been ones that make it clearly illegal to perform transition surgery on or provide puberty blockers to minors. Are those the ones you're talking about? If not, could you clarify?
oh you mean the laws California will continue to protest, so they can continue mutilating children's genitals?
@@chankston7954 Some already are. See Vaush...
As far as I've seen most of the anti trans stuff is more about maintaining status quo stuff, like no men in women's sports or bathrooms, reaffirming the part where it's illegal to bring children into a strip club...
Then there's the more specific stuff like banning transition surgery for minors.
@@andrewgreeb916 I could definitely be wrong, but I haven't seen any laws being proposed to restrict transgender people access to their preferred bathroom or sports league, though. That's a company-policy-level decision, not a legal one, at least not yet. So if that's the kind of stuff he's talking about, it should be made very clear that it isn't laws being proposed/passed, just company policy changing/being clarified. As far as actual laws go, only ones I've seen pushed for so far are related to minors. But, again, I could definitely be missing something.
Given how the term MAP is somewhat slowly being pushed and you have fucking bleeding heart idiots apparently living in a cave these past ten years yeah pedophilia has maybe ten morw years before it is respectable.
My sister's first boyfriend threatened to kill himself if she broke up with him. I guess she should've married him?
He's ordinary.
Marry him, get a life insurance policy, divorce and take half his stuff, ???, profit! /s
@@D3xterJettster I think most life insurance policies require some sort of period to cash out on suicide. 3+ years minimum I think.
you don't have to do anything i outlined here, even if you were the tipping point that led to a suicide. you have that freedom, and the responsibility for their behaviour in the end rests with them.
@@ShortFatOtaku Thanks for the response. I wasn't suggesting you were being unreasonable in the video at all. The end of the video I think is spot on.
Having a trans day of remembrance for such a small death count is like having a day of remembrance for the five shark victims this year. Its ludicrous and shows just how ignorant the WH is about real issues.
You can be transgender, but four important things about being trans:
1) You can't get pregnant.
2) You don't have to get too fat.
3) You don't have to be insane to become an activist.
4) You don't have to be Jim Stephanie Sterling and claim you're pregnant.
Wait Jim Stephanie Sterling is claiming pregnancy? Since when???
@@theoutsider8745 It was last Wednesday. They was on a stream with Yahtzee, the latter was even weirded out by how they said so. Or HE.
@@kamuroshiryu8453Lol I'm gonna check that out.
@@kamuroshiryu8453 Someone needs to do a rise and fall vid on Jim one of these days lol. Idk they're falling to me...
Is that a typo or a joke that's going over my head?
Most of the "T" dragging down the movement isn't even the T. It's (usually "cis" [hate that term]) people that want political brownie points for "fighting the good fight."
This is precisely why I stay as far away from activism myself. It seems so many social issues are made worse by incompetent "allies" who are completely oblivious to how badly their damaging the public image of the groups they claim to be fighting for.
@@samueltitone5683 activists don't stop, they must find new causes no matter how depraved to fight for.
i swear they latched onto the word "cis" because it sounds gross.
I’ve noticed that too. All of the trans people I know irl are very reasonable “normal” people that are easy to get along with. I don’t mind using their preferred pronouns to be respectful, and they don’t lecture me about anything. It’s always the bleeding heart activist types that get in our collective face about it. Like I said, I’ve never had an issue with a trans person, but I have gotten into heated arguments with cis (hate the term too) people over benign stuff that has nothing to do with them.
Example: a friend I’ve known for years transitioned and I didn’t really know how to handle it. I was explaining to someone else the change and what they wanted their new name to be and the whole conversation stopped because I “dead named” them by bringing up their birth name. That friend wasn’t in the same state, let alone the same room, and the person who got upset with me didn’t even know who I was talking about. But because I said my friends birth name “[blank] is going by [blank] now” it opened up this huge argument over how I’m being violent towards trans people and how bad of a friend I was.
@@DeltaDanner I've found working with trans people to be walking on eggshells, even before trans was brought to the mainstream. Like how was I supposed to know you had a transition if you never bothered to tell me?
Watching the white house scrape under the couch cushions for dead members of this oddly highly regarded and niche class of people to use them as political props is just like...."hey...yall seeing this shit?"
"... Now gimme your rights, ok?"
This administration is overly concerned with virtue signaling.
Don't we have bigger problems to solve?
Like the economy its cool jus shove it under the rug and signal harder.
Having bigger problems to solve is exactly why they virtue signal this hard, its a smokescreen of sorts, people that like you or me point out the fact that we have actual bigger problems get labeled as bigots and boo'd into silence.
Bigger problems? Yes.
Solve? Hahahaha, no.
...... Administrations are capable of doing multiple things.
I assume this is the best this administration can do
Killing Trans people because they are Trans? Or killing somebody who just so happens to be Trans?
The problem is activists arguing that refusing to recognize them as a woman, even if just in the context of sports, is ignoring their identity and therefore dehumanizing. To recognize the humanity we have to fully agree with them and never challenge them.
You know, that's the thing that gets me.
If you learn a gay person is killed and immediately concludes that's a homophobic murder, you might be projecting into the murderer your own ideas that gay people's only personality trait is to be gay.
That's how these people see racism everywhere, because they've been convinced that bigotry is the cause of everything bad that happens to anyone in a "marginalized" group. If someone cuts in front of me in line, I'm gonna think damn, what an asshole. If I were a gender cult lunatic, I would think damn, that person cut in front of me just because I'm trans! It's completely lost on them that bad things happen to everyone sometimes.
Asteroid smash on earth.
Trans most affected.
@Eichro just compare the white on black murder rate vs black on white. Then reconsider the entire "white supremacy" narrative.
Given that the murders are primarily of blacks, and the higher per capita trans rates of blacks, it's probably the latter.
I love that dysphoria/dysmorphia is stressed so much in these circles but no one is willing to admit what it actually is or the fact that it's not exclusive to trans-ness
And if a little kid said they think they should only have one arm, and wanted to have one of their completely healthy arms removed, no legitimate doctor would even consider doing that operation, we would get that kid psychiatric help, because it's the only sensible thing to do.
They also don't want to admit that there are activists saying you don't need dysphoria at all to be trans which contradicts everything else.
They sould have never changed it from Identity Disorder to "dysphoria"
@markzuckergecko621 consider the difference an arm makes in one's identity vs the gender they were born. An arm is a major ambulatory limb, a cock can't help me climb a ladder or walk. And to be fair, many of us don't get bottom surgery, I'm certainly not considering it. As much as it bothers me sometimes, I'd much rather have it than something artificial with hygiene issues.
@@thepurplebandit3859 Are you really minimizing sexual function for a sexually reproducing species? Come on now.
At this point, I'm not longer a reasonable person.
Let them take their own lives; I'll not change for them.
But that's literally the most reasonable position you could take.
Seems pretty reasonable to me.
It's not your problem that they are making totally unreasonable demands to cater to their objectively unhealthy mental delusions. They brought this on themselves. You're not responsible for anything.
You're completely reasonable.
@@dimitar4y the adults in the room are supposed to get them to act right. When I was growing up in the 80s and 90s, you didn't use your identity as an excuse, if you started acting like you didn't get your way because someone was just being a big meany head, any adult would tell you to grow up and stop acting like a baby, doesn't matter if it was your parents, a teacher, a neighbor, a coach, absolutely any adult would discourage you from making excuses like that. Now the teachers, the media, and the politicians are actively encouraging those childish excuses.
And that's how we have to be, i'm afraid. Like... I get Dev's pov. Its not nice to be unessicarily mean. It really isn't. But sometimes as a grownup you need to be... Well mean. We live in an imperfect world. All we can do, really is try to do the most good for the most people. There will always be tradeoffs. There is no pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, and I'm afraid that does mean that when you are a minority SOMETIMES you're going to get left out.
9:30 which is why we have rapidly moved from "treat them like their identified sex even tho they are mentally ill" all the way to "sex doesn't exist, gender is whatever we want."
I had gender dysphoria and dark thoughts, but I did recover, as most with them do recover. Their activism puts those that would recover in danger of themselves due to the irreversible damage done. I know my dark thoughts would've have easily recovered had I transitioned like I wanted.
would've or wouldn't've? Carefully read what you wrote again.
@@GlutenSensitivityReader”would have have”
Who said sex doesn't exist? Sex exists. It's a collection of traits in the human body.
@@connor5669There are people now saying that sex isn’t binary or immutable
@@chibu3212 Sex is bimodal, not binary. They're are some females with xy chromosomes who have given birth
The fact their ideologues constantly rename kids to "youth" is peak sophism.
Theyre trying to get the term "young adults" to a lower and lower age. Pushing the idea that children are just just adults means they should be treated like adults in all the gross ways.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz While at the same time infantilizing themselves
“The youth” has meant children and kids for decades this isn’t ideological.
@@ImortalZeus13 until it is
@@ImortalZeus13The "youth" has always meant the young adults of the generation - it refers to the active and most able among the workforce.
Where the fuck do you live in that children are also the part of the "youth"?
"You hate us just for existing" Is the greatest mot and bailey
Trans people use this for anytime they are criticized. As if any criticism is an act of genocide
@PresidentSunday literally did this to short fat otaku in his video.
eventually, just from their own actions and words, it became true.
@@keithfilibeck2390And one day, for no reason at all...
@@danielutriabrooks477 a day sooner rather than later lets call this one the Principality of Zeon.
Ok but taken at face value, with some of the people they argue with they aren't actually wrong
I love their "denying trans existence" narrative, like if they said "hey look at that rabbit", and it's obviously a dog, and I said "no, that's a dog", would they think I was saying the dog/rabbit doesn't exist?
Trans activists: Consistency
Seriously. Its kind of annoying because trying to have a conversation with them they just say whatever makes it so they can disregard my point. They dont actually address my points they just strawman my arguments.
@@Yipper64 What arguments do you have?
Like that Vaush quote.
@@rbfilms4752 Well many from many different perspectives, but the core of my argument is essentially this; two contradictory concepts cannot both simultaneously be true. To hold two contradictory beliefs at the same time is called double think.
The entire trans theory is based off to two contradictory beliefs, one that gender and sex mean the same thing, gender dysphoria is entirely biological and genetic. Plus a contradictory concept, gender is a social construct and entirely separate from sex. Under this concept anyone can be trans if they want to identify that way.
The entire trans theory requires both of these contradictory ideas. I.E. people saying "sex assigned at birth"
There are some who pick one or the other, but each concept has its own issues. If its innate and biological, then how can your biology be different from... well your biology. That doesnt make sense.
If its entirely a social construct, then why do people need to be referred to as the other sex at all? Its a social construct, it becomes unnecessary. Just be your birth sex and change what the construct around that is rather than trying to form into it. Sort of deal.
I could go into more detail but that's the long and short of it.
@@Yipper64 The problem here is that you're conflating people holding conflicting ideas over how a concept works with an conflict inherent to the concept itself. Whether transness should be centered around the idea of gender dysphoria or whether it should be centered around the idea of gender as a social construct is an active debate between different camps, not a settled position. The trans advocacy movement is not a person nor is it an organization with a leadership or a platform.
Not to say that everyone involved has a logically consistent set of beliefs (of course they don't), but broadly speaking the people who want to focus on the social side are not also the people who want to look at it through a medical lens.
Also, the last point you describe is something that a lot of trans activists would agree with you on - if gender is a social construct, then ultimately the goal should be to move away from gender entirely. In that scenario, accepting the existence of trans people would only be the first step. It's pretty similar to the discussion on racial issues in the sense that egalitarianism is the desired end goal, but society is not at that point.
I agree with nearly all of Dev’s points, but I do disagree with him about this being a motte-and-bailey fallacy.
Basically, in a classic motte-and-bailey, the motte is just a smokescreen for the real position (which is the bailey). I don’t think that’s the case here. I think they’re just kinda moving the goalposts whenever it’s convenient for them.
I'd agree enough to disagree funnily enough. I think they simultaneously motte-and-bailey the same positions and that's what we're seeing, as they want the legitimacy of the medical advocacy with the perception of low stakes that comes with lifestyle advocacy.
@@Harley_Mitchelly I agree with this take, mostly. I just think it’s moving the goalposts rather than motte-and-bailey.
At any rate, they’re definitely operating in bad faith.
@@Harley_Mitchelly “Defund the police” is a classic motte-and-bailey. The motte is “We just think police budgets are bloated and we wanna direct some of that towards community resources.” The bailey is “Abolish the police.”
I’m not sure which position is the motte and which is the bailey when it comes to the transgender rights movement.
@@HenryConway007Maybe total gender abolition, but that isn’t really a majority opinion.
It's not just post puberty transition Dev, testosterone in the womb makes males fundamentally advantaged physically over females.
Bullshit. Got citations? Thought not.
Thats not how that works.
as a poor dude living in a shitty state, nothing in my life is even in the realm, hell even in the same dimension of acquiescence
and care, attention and society changing restructuring that these people get, and all for what, exactly? so they can set up Gooning discords and talk about euphoria? even if I were always fully supportive, they'd hate me and my demographic regardless, when this was all starting around 2015 I was open minded, but the more information on them I shoved into my head, and the more I learned about their communities, the only thing I can manage is frustration, indifference, and annoyance at how much of my reality will be altered for such a group.
This is honestly how I've felt lately. I used to be like "yeah sure let them do it, why not". But the trans activism is itself so intrusive and hostile that it's becoming increasingly harder to agree with. As dev lays out, creating a ramp for wheelchairs is one thing and one of the only things you need to do for handicapped people, but for trans people? Well guess we gotta constantly spend thousands of tax dollars on their medical treatment, ban all mirrors, let them have unfair advantages in sports, let them into men/womens spaces regardless of what those men/women think. And why do we do this? because they threaten to self harm, that's it. It becomes somewhat absurd and incredibly toxic whenever you object to any of these ideas or their preferred use of language with "do what I say, or I'll kill myself"
and it doesn't help as more and more research is being done about affirmative care, how very clearly it DOESN'T work and our medical industry just wants to turn them into permanent customers, to give the socialists some credit, with better healthcare we wouldn't have this trans issue going on
@@Aleks251 well not only the threat of self harm, but also their surprisingly well connected, vocal and vigorous activism and brigading, if YOU are noticed too much saying things they don't like, they'll hound you out of your job, they'll hound the company that did it, they make a big fucking stink, and that's that.
this is all juxtaposed with the simple fact that if White guys threaten/actually kill themselves, they are laughed at by the powers that be as failures, the double standard is insane, and those same Powers that Be weep for the LGBTQ plight, but expect you to give to them, to help them, to be taxed for them, while also always adamantly, openly, and viscously saying how worthless you are, at the same time.
Have 41% of trans people had suicidal ideation because trans people are more likely to be suicidal, or is it because suicidal people are more likely to try desperate measures, because everything, even surgically modifying your body into a completely different person, is less extreme than death.
Take with a grain of salt, as I cannot find the numbers, but I have seen stats suggesting that trans persons are also co-morbid for a wide variety of other mental or psychological conditions. This includes autism, depression and so on. What the cause of this connection is I do not know, but if true it is suggestive that other things contribute to being trans.
@neodigremo No surprise there, bodily dysphoria is a neurological condition. If you found out that trying to turn on the kitchen lights cuts power to the microwave because some of the electric wiring was installed backwards, you're not especially surprised to find out that your bathroom lights also flicker.
@@neodigremo although, now that I think about it, it could also be a sort of Survivor Bias: people who get assessed for a condition purely diagnosed by thoughts and behaviors are then more likely to be in a position to be assessed by someone who can diagnose other conditions with similar criteria.
Trans people are more likely to be suicidal because of societal/familial treatment.
Well that depends, out of transgender people, which sex is largely killing themselves? If it’s biologically men, that correlates well with men in general who end up committing suicide mostly due to deep depression. All this can culminate to the person believing that become what was told would cure their depression, only worsens it. Look at children who became transgender from a young age (Jazz Jennings), he constantly expresses how depressed he is because the average person (men specifically) don’t treat him like a normal female…gee I wonder why.
I'm not using preferred pronouns, not going to lie about reality to make you feel better
My rule has always been, if you ask me politely, I'll call you whatever you want. Like if your real name is Tom, but you go by Buddy, sure buddy, I'll call you Buddy. But if you start screaming at me and saying it's Buddy, I'll say sure Tom, Tommy Boy, whatever you say Thomas.
Do you also refuse to use someone's nickname because in reality their birth certificate says something different?
@@rbfilms4752 Bit of a false equivalence. Names and nicknames are abstract and indivivualist identifiers, whereas pronouns are related to observable characteristics. You can tell (for most people) if they are a man or woman just by looking at them, you cannot tell what a person's name just by looking at them.
That being said, if you don't wanna use their nickname, but the name you know they were born with, that's completley your choice and within reason.
@@jacobyullman5005 Pronouns have absolutely nothing to do with observable characteristics. Pronouns are words you use as a substitute in reference to a specific thing.
Why are physical objects sometimes gendered? You've probably heard people refer to a boat or ship as "she" before. There's no objective reason to do so, boats don't have gendered or sexual characteristics at all. And yet it's a thing people do anyway. This isn't even getting into other languages where gendered pronouns are used for everything like German or Spanish.
Biological sex is also not always immediately discernible, I don't know why you're pretending like it is. Some people present as being very ambiguous, and there are very feminine men and very masculine women that aren't trans at all. But obviously if you mistook a very masculine-looking woman for a man, you'd correct your mistake, no?
And finally, yeah, you don't have to use someone's nickname if you don't want to. But like, if they ask you to and you refuse to do so on principle, that's being a dick, isn't it?
@@jacobyullman5005 If pronouns were actually about gender roles, would you then be fine with people switching?
Claiming 1% of the US is trans is saying we have enough to match 1/10 the population of Canada. That is patently absurd, even with how astroturfed it all is.
Edit: got tired and fucked up my math.
Come to think of it dont people complain about "the 1%", as in the 1% that own 99% of the wealth? Something like that.
That would still be a lot of people, wouldnt it?
Canada doesn’t have a population of 3.34 million people
1% squared, at most.
And it's not what it's claiming to be. It's a simple dysmorphic mental disorder.
You miscalculated, 1% would be only 3 million.
@@aSimpleTailor"I have miscalculated"
-OP
Basically no one took these guys seriously due to the fact these are the same people who made it offensive to analyze crime stats on any level.
I tore down a trans vtuber who was claiming the whole "trans genocide" bit, but after I tore down the 8 stages for her and how they don't apply she got all pissy and blocked me. Either that or she just tl;dr'd it even though she was typing paragraphs upon paragraphs of bologna.
> her
@@regexRex Trans makes things so very confusing.
It could be that it is a 'female to male' trans vtuber and thus using 'she' is correct or the vtuber is 'male to female' and Pencil is 'respecting' the vtuber's pronouns. It could legitimately be either.
It's just such a bloody mess.
They didn't read any of what you said, I promise you. It's the npc meme, you said a key phrase and it just triggered them into typing out pre-planned paragraphs. It's literally a script they use
Who is this trans vtuber in question?
@@your_waifu_hates_you
Taking my Time Machine back to the past, it was some Yugioh player named Astrid.
One of my issues with trans activism is that it still feels nebulous. This voiced a fair amount of my complaints.
Because it's couched in circular logic. "I feel, therefore it is" Which is NOT empirical, despite what amounts to made up bullshit.
So in short, these people are either intellectually dishonest going for a power play, or are clueless of what they want. Unfortunately, these are the people that are running the show.
Biolen-n*nism, "pushing the marigns on the centre', has pr*ven itslf now as incredibly d*strutiv and des*st"balizng.
Took me 5 attemps to get the comment out, ffs yt
It got deleted again
Too long, couldn't read, search bionicle lenism
You can't remove from my mind that the trans suicide epidemic is just them waking up after the surgery and realising they commited sexual suicide. It's the lobotomy of our times.
its the first time in history eunuchs are pleading the state to let them castrate themselves.
truly we are at the end of times.
Yep. They regret their choice seek to not take responsibility.
It's the main cause, specially when the Transitioner didn't had Dysphoria and realized that they altered themselves for 15 minutes of clout.
And the worst part is that if your a _De-transitioner_ you're basically a pariah to them and pretend that you don't exist, so much for acceptance and what not.
@@Xfushion2Worse, if you don't lobitomize yourself with their bullshit that you're a biological woman, they think YOU'RE the one who needs "corrected".
We had one of those where I worked a couple years ago. She was 18 and thought she had to gulp down and puke up the whole line of globalist bullshit cos she had an extra hole in her, and liked to chew on other people who did. I told her I'd reacted to Spironolactone exactly the way a guy with a chick brain does (calm, happy to grow tits), and had had my DNA tested by a lab that does forensic work for the FBI (turns out, XY). She still wouldn't back off the shit, even when I showed her the fucking lab reports. So one day, the first time I saw her when she came in, I said "Hey, 6!" "What? Why'd you call me '6'?" "It's short for '1966 Chrysler Newport'." "What? I'm not a 19...whatever you said!" "Yes, you are, cos I say you are." "No, I'm not a...is that a car? I'm not a car!" "If I'm a chick cos you say I am, then you're a 66 Chrysler, cos I said." "No, I'm not!" I walked away. "Yes, you are." "No, I'm NAHH" and the door closed behind me.
I kept that up for a week, until she admitted defeat. She didn't admit she was wrong, she just agreed to stop saying that shit to me. That's the best you can hope for with these automatons.
My managers said it was the greatest mindfucking they'd ever seen.
Thankfully we actually have data on regret rates for trans treatment, including surgery. They're incredibly low compared to normal surgeries like hip replacements. I'm sure you will now change your opinion because it's based on facts on not feelings
Forgot the thumbnail
do you listen to death grips
Plot twist, this is Dev's way of coming out as trans
As low effort as this subject deserves
Transitioning doesn't prevent or reduce the likelihood of suicide. The Mayo Clinic stopped sex change operations because their studies showed the same suicide rate before and after the operation.
Counseling is the better choice -- we don't give bariatric surgery to anorexics.
"we don't give bariatric surgery to anorexics"
we don't give bariatric surgery to anorexics *yet.* give it a few decades.
Can you give a source for this so I can use it in future arguments?
source
For most surgeries maybe, but the suicide rate skyrockets for those who got gender reassignment surgery
Transitioning actually does. Brain science shows that the brains of trans people are more closer to their preferred gender than assigned gender.
Chief issue is that suicide threats can be a form of emotional abuse, specifically emotional control with violence. This muddies the issue for trans people that risk being seen as just unable to accept not getting their way, and using violence to oneself to force the issue. "It's your fault I killed myself" is like "it's your fault I hit you."
I probably shouldn't single out trans people as inability to get your way seems to be at the root of most progressive issues, but regardless, you can't deal with those just using guit threats.
Unrelated, but the emotional abuse part is I cab't grt into the Asper Kanojo manga, the female MC is, without realizing, putting the responsability of her life on a stranger and the manga never pushes back on how awful that behaviour is.
@@limabarreto911 That's actually brought into stark relief in the aftermath of the Yonago arc. Yokoi also chose to spell out that a significant part of his choosing to deal with her is that it made him feel better as a person.
A lot of activism has been to the detriment of the people it is meant to support, especially lately. I’m a woman and have seen too much feminist rhetoric being unfair, demoralizing, and destructive to men. As a result, I think it harms relationships and families, in addition to making men warier of women in the workplace or in general. Even if that tactic did nothing to harm women, it would still be wrong to denigrate men for being men. But because we are inextricably connected, you cannot hurt one without hurting the other.
FACTS! MGTOW exists for a VERY solid reason - it's safer to improve yourself, make your own life, and avoid women. It's sad, but true. I have seen too many innocent men get screwed over at this point. If I were a man, there is NO WAY I'd risk the current dating market.
I have never felt so sorry for men as I do today, nor more ashamed of the bulk of modern women.
I'm not sure how things went so badly off the rails, but at this point, I'm not even sure it can be salvaged.
On a similar line, I highly recommend The Dadvocate for a wise woman talking about these issues. One of my best UA-cam finds of 2023!
Feminism is only one part of the globalist plot to destroy the world.
Nah there is further issues with the disphoria claim. People with disphoria are almost exclusively neurodivergent, anxious, and/or depressed BEFORE experiencing body disphoria.
All of these have increased rates of self deletion and can be considered the primary comorbidity.
In reality, body dismorphic people should be attacking anxiety, depression, and neuro divergence well before accomidating, empowering, or bolstering transition.
Im not even anti trans. Cross dress and have gay relationships, but going full "im the opposite sex in the wrong body" is just wrong and not helpful for the underlying issues causing them strife
Transactivism, just like most leftt activism, has long turned into a grift.
Its not transactivism anymore, its transgrift.
6 of one, half dozen of the other.
SFO: Let me try and explain a few things you didn't cover. Sadly most academic journals and such I knew of that could reinforce this are paid access, but none of this is too edgy and it shouldn't be too difficult to verify online. I'll also throw in a pop culture reference for part of it. Warning this will be one of my long essays of a sort.
To keep it as simple as possible there is a condition called Disassociative Identity Disorder, or DID. The most extreme cases are things like full on split personalities combined with a lack of recollection and such, that's what Hollywood does with this, it's usually far, far, less extreme. As a general rule a case of DID is when someone forms a personality or persona, knowing or otherwise, different from their own reality. The more points the identity differs from the actual person the more severe it is, as well as when it begins to impede functioning. It is quite possible for a case of DID to involve someone's false identity being another gender, though this is not always the case. In Hollywood terms Normal Bates would be a VERY extreme and cinematic example.
At any rate one problem with the "trans movement" is that it's been long argued, and we're talking well before modern political focus, than most trans people are not actually trans, they are DID. A Trans person strictly speaking would basically be themself, and thus able to deal with society with little trouble, but just feeling like they are the wrong gender. When you start seeing people craft personas they cannot live without being in which include things like actually dressing as the opposite gender, or using a different name they see as their real name, it becomes increasingly likely it is a case of DID. Likewise, if the persona is one where it involves traits the person involved clearly does not possess at all, beyond the simple gender difference in this case, it becomes a virtual certainy. See if you have some 300 pound guy named Brad, who can only live as Stephanie, and Stephanie is a beautiful, svelte, Diva, and he insists on dressing that way, and becomes incredibly agitated with reminders that he is NOT a beautiful Diva named Stephanie, then your dealing with a severe case of DID even if the person is still aware of who they are, but simply incapable of comfortably dealing with anything outside of that persona. A common situation here is always beauty, and of course not-so attractive men who insist on running around in sexualized outfits that few women with the looks would wear in those times and places, and then insisting their life needs to be like some Hollywood fantasy of a mega star at the height of the career, and this is who they really are. I'm sure we've all seen this, especially online, and remember the problem here is how far it departs from any semblance of reality, and the reactions that happen when this is intruded on, them requiring the world to play along with this fantasy.
Now here is the thing, beyond the trans aspect of it, DID cases can often result in suicide. The problem isn't so much the scorn of society, it's that eventually the world cannot live up to the fantasy for obvious reasons. No matter what happens someone like Brad is always going to be aware of what they are, and their fantasy is not, and cannot ever be real, especially if it involves components like physical idealism, or acceptance of certain behaviors, that by definition cannot be real. Tolerating and playing along with such people as opposed to seeing them treated is what is going to cause the suicide, either due to being unable to deal with their reality and knowing even the friendliest peer group is lying to them. Thus tolerating a lot of what is being called trans behavior inaccurately is actually what is literally killing trans people. The suicide rate being very similar to the condition as a whole, and it could involve things in theory that have nothing to do with gender, like some guy who say thinks he has super powers, which could just be a joke in his peer group, until one day he can't deal with the reality, or throws himself off a roof to desperately prove to himself he really could fly if he wanted to. This is why treatment is needed.
Among other things understand that according to the last reliable, non-political, studies, roughly 5% of the population is not "straight". Of that 5% you roughly have 2% bi-sexual, 1% gay, and 1% lesbian, the remaining 1% is everything else which includes trans, aesexual, and so on. More people claim it now due to a pop psychology boom on the subject as bad as the one that caused problems in the 80s, and the attention and benefits than can be garnered. Likewise from what I'm still hearing it's widely believed a lot of other disorders that might have sexual components in this direction are being folded into it rather than being identified and treated properly. Your typical person who claims to be "trans" for example likely being a DID case, especially if it's very overt, and the persona existing as a shield, for example nobody can heard Brad if they only see "Stephanie", and if your looking at someone who is well... sub-par physically, you might guess how this could gradually manifest and why they think something like being a girl who can get by on their looks would change everything for them. There can be other causes as well, including pure attention seeking that gets out of control, I mean people can go DID just by basically starting with a game and then doing it so long they lose track of what's real. Hence why actual diagnosis, by a proper psychologist who is not pursuing an agenda, is very important to such things, and you will find VERY quickly that most people claiming alternative sexual identities, especially very rare ones, have never had a formal diagnosis, and will actually resist any suggestion they do so, this is because most DID cases and such are aware of who they are as opposed to full on split personalities. They are I guess to put it unprofessionally.... people who crawled really far up their own head and got stuck there.... and yes I have had to study things like Abnormal Psych, and have way more than just an intro class (which would still be more than what most people who would try and argue with me have).
As long as this is, I will also say that the LGBTQ+ community has always been prone to violence, but if you study criminal justice and dig into the forgotten realities behind the statistics, you'll find the perpetrators are generally other members of the LGBTQ+ community far more than anyone else. While there has been violence against such people, it's long been misrepresented, among other things you'll find such people have long former their own communities line San Francisco, Provincetown, and similar places and regions both famous and not. Those are generally where a lot of the violence happens, and trust me it's not because straight people were engaging in road trips to attack them.
While dated by design, things like "American Horror Story: NYC" drew on a lot of truth, before it's obvious agenda. Things like the hankerchief code did exist, as did various ways of leaving codes at gay bars for hook ups, and various newsletters and other things. While not all people in the LGBTQ+ community are extremely kinky, there has always been a lot of overlap, as well as a tendency towards casual sex, especially if a long term and open relationship might be too overt when they were keeping it on the down low. What this means is that a lot of predators who say didn't care about the identity but just wanted to hurt people, would get involved in such areas, and then find their prey there. Your "trans person" being sexually assaulted is likely going to happen from other people in the community as most non-LGBTQ+ people don't find that attractive (think about it) unless they jus want to hurt people in general. The show even explored some of this to some extent, albeit with a tiny sub-section of this, and to be fair a bit of bad information even by Criminal Justice standards (I was studying when that was more recent, so that's why I know the real inspirations for a lot of it). One reason why there have been problems dealing with the community violence and sexual assaults is simply because everyone involved plays a victim card for the press, and nobody really wants to look into or see the communities policed, including people in the communities. It's sort of like how most violence against black people comes from other black people when you look at the actual realities behind the statistics.... that however isn't a useful political or social tool. Thus the problems continue along with the lies and misrepresentation. Your not going to catch the people who primarily victimize the LGBTQ+ community by looking at straight people, no matter how many ministers in the bible belt talk crap. Obviously they aren't making road trips to the places where it mostly happens with baseball bats. Nobody thinks that through, very few attacks are in the communities with the rhetoric because the LGTQ+ people there keep it REALLY low key for obvious reasons.
Very insightful, thank you. This definitely should be further up.
Forcing people to bend to your will because of you have suicidal thoughts is basically guilt tripping. A very toxic relationship.
Honestly the more I hear about trans-activists shenanigans, the more I hate them. They're just two-faced, goal-shifting, detached from reality liars.
The entire crux of this argument relys on interventions, medical or otherwise to have a measurable impact on suicidality. The numbers do not bare that out. Suicide rates are the same pre and post transition
I don't care about their rates anymore. These people are broken and often evil
Small side note, but when you talked about accessibility activism my mind went to a case where different disabilities are cannibalizing one another. Specifically there's been these stupid little bumps added to almost every crosswalk into the street around me to indicate to blind people where the sidewalk transitions to the road. Of course the problem with this is that people in wheelchairs or requiring other mobility help, are completely hindered by these. My father recently broke his ankle and required a little push scooter to get around and every time he got to one of those it became a real challenge to get over them and not fall over.
I suppose non-British countries didn't invent CURBS?
That’s what those things are for?
@@lithunoisan Apparently so. I think I've seen a blind person walking around by themselves exactly once in my entire life, but got to have them on every corner now.
Small aside, but my mother used to manage a commercial property and the amount of shit that small business owners have to pay out of their own pockets to reach the ADA requirements is insane and they constantly change the rules to force you to keep paying. After hearing her dealing with it I actually became convinced that the ADA is nothing but the path to hell paved in good intentions and should be repealed or heavily limited.
I’ll always remember watching a video of Trans activists talking about how gender and sex are different, so they’re not against science.
But then one of them threw a hissy fit because his drivers license has the “wrong SEX” on it.
These people’s tactics are to confuse you. Like lawyers, they’ll try to slip in any doubts and pry your morals open with it.
One someone who lives in a city with huge huge honking library needs to look up in an as old dictionary available to see if sex and gender have always been separate.
Two they never keep it separate. Hell I saw a video claiming trans people's bodies tend to function more like their claimed gender. Well it was a lawyer reacting to a trans interviewer anyways. Then in some other video someone in a comment section that claiming the same thing. As an explanation as to why men in dress up should he allowed to compete against women. That is a supposed biology explanation for being trans.
The most de…….. ranged activists in human history.
Lol RuinedLeon
26 "rannies" got killed in a year? Oh my God, the catastrophe! Such a major problem! Such a huge issue! The government needs to create a well-funded organization in order to combat such a massive societal problem.
Give me a godamn break...
They don't want to discuss black men killing other black men at astonishing rates, so they need to deflect.
Defund the police
@@hildegardvonbingen9092 Point to any police misconduct and you find 50 things society got wrong before police got involved. Asserting police are the most immediate problem distracts from how society is broken at more fundamental levels.
26 is like a super slow weekend in Chicago.
"I'm currently addicted to Project Zomboid." That's what I said back in 2021 when I first played the game, I don't blame ya.
factorio for me. the factory must grow. i need more iron. i need more copper. more green circuits.
the. factory. Must.grow.
Nearly 2000 hours later, and here I am.
Just got it in the Autumn sale. Can't wait to start my OWN addiction!
Trans woman here. I clicked on this video fully expecting to laugh at it, but I believe you actually made some interesting points. I don't necessarily agree with everything you said, but I'm glad you approached this conversation in good faith.
I was medically diagnosed with gender dysphoria about three years ago, and I began HRT about two years ago, but I don't subscribe to the notion that my medicalization is a pretense for how I should be treated. Medical definitions change constantly, and they bring with them a set of arbitrary requirements which do not inherently underpin one's discomfort in their own body.
It's an appeal to authority, and that authority is something I have no agency over. Think back to massive fuss that happened when "gender dysphoria" changed names from "gender identity disorder" or when the DSM5 ceased to classify gender dysphoria as a mental illness "to reduce stigma". Furthermore, consider how people diagnosed with Austim Spectrum Disorder are not allowed to immigrate to New Zealand. Medicalization is not as operational and rigid as we like to believe, and it isn't always going to operate in our best interests.
Objectively speaking, I know myself better than anyone else. I knew I hated being a man, and I knew transition was right for me. As long as I'm allowed to make those decisions for myself, I'm happy. Everything else (people not rolling down their windows to catcall/harass whenever I walk around town) would certainly be nice though.
New Dev Cannon:
"The Cucumber Incident" 🥒
3:44 Remember - if vocal criticism leads to mental issues and self harm, many people on the left consider that as violence and have publicly stated that position. It's not being "quietly slipped in".
How is it dehumanizing to state biological fact while never saying they're not people, but referring to anyone not politically alligned with you subhuman and treating them in such ways isn't?
you're not supposed to point that out
jesus christ, the mirror thing. it really does all just boil down to "please god, just don't show me the truth"
If we were talking about a relationship between 2 people and one of them was constantly theeatening to take their life if they didn't get their way we'd correctly label it as an abusive relationship.
Somehow when you take this dynamic, and apply it on a national scale the nature of the relationship becomes inverse, but only in this one case.
11:40 as someone with autism I can agree with that concept. But that doesnt mean we give them everything they ask for. Just what they need, and what will most effectively help them live in society, using as few recourses as possible to that end.
So basically it always comes back to this question, I wish we could ask more often but its layered under many other dumb arguments; Is transitioning really what is best for gender dysphoria? I disagree with the idea, I think therapy and self acceptance as they are rather than this imagined gender variant persona, is better for mental health, than chasing an identity that doesnt really exist.
"I think therapy and self acceptance as they are rather than this imagined gender variant persona, is better for mental health"
Unfortunately- the movement has lobbied for therapists to not be able to deny or discuss the "gender identity" of those who come to them seeking help, instead they have to unilaterally push them towards medical mutilation, and "reversible" hormonal adjustment, even when it is clear they are suffering from an entirely different set of issues.
@@crazyabe4571 Yeah that's kind of the problem...
I agree that often it’s important to affirm the rights of disadvantaged groups, but in a case like the transgender community, I don’t think society owes them anything. Arguing we need to make any adjustments at all for them is like arguing we need to have guards stationed at schizophrenics houses because they’re afraid of doctors coming to get them. We shouldn’t give into this delusion.
To this day nobody has been able to provide a definition of what 'rights' trans people don't have that doesn't boil down to 'special privileges' and 'unfettered access to other people's children'.
@@kaspi001That's why their phrase "Trans rights are human rights" makes that record-scratch noise in my brain. Well no shit, human rights. I'm a trans chick, not a fucking dog.
Dude at this point that trucker video has to be at least an hour or 2.
Has to be, because Breadtubers like We're In Hell painted them as villains.
Why would anyone be an activist for people ending their life more regularly?
Because it's top tier virtue signaling. The whole trans category is made up of many groups of "marginalized people".
Eugenics and population control to name a couple.
Ay, the turtle guys here
I'm sure that the attitudes of many people towards transgender people have nothing to do with that
What anti-trans laws are being passed in the US? Beyond Florida banning gender affirming care to minors, I am not much aware of anything else.
Thats all they are. "Dont castrate children" is labeled as anti-trans.
"-I was sexually violated as a child with a cucumber."
Annnnnnnd clip
I absolutely hate being forced to lie.
3:10 worthwhile to point out that this trend reverses for gay men, who are less likely to suffer domestic abuse than straight or lesbian couples
the Brotherhood.
Damn, I wonder if that has anything to do with what you say being interpreted as what you actually said, and not some distorted psycho version of what you might have possibly implied.
Their rates are still higher or equal to straight couples. Not a flex..
@@blacktigerpaw1 from the national intimate partner and sexual violence study direct quote
Violence by an
Intimate Partner
• The lifetime prevalence of rape,
physical violence, and/or stalking
by an intimate partner was:
For women:
- Lesbian - 43.8%
- Bisexual - 61.1%
- Heterosexual - 35.0%
For men:
- Gay - 26.0%
- Bisexual - 37.3%
- Heterosexual - 29.0%
@@weirdo1896There's no way that lesbians are lower than bisexuals, also, wasn't their rate around 55%?
I once had a girlfriend who, in every serious argument, would threaten suicide. She had learned through reinforcement while growing up that if she pitched a fit and threatened to off herself, she would get what she wanted. This trans suicide meme is the same thing; it's a bargaining chip.
I eventually left her, but the last time she threatened it, while driving in the car with her daughter and yelling at me on the phone about whatever, I called the police and reported her. The sheepish look on her face when she got escorted in the house by a cop coming in to do a wellness check is something will never forget. It may have been the dawning of realization that we were through, because her shtick would no longer work.
I identify as a Siberian orchestra.
aint no way dat entire orchestra is trans.
@@scooterdescooter4018 they will be once i instruct them to play in another octave
Its usually violence against themselves-self deletion rate is massive-due to them not accepting themselves.
Twenty...six...in a year... there's anywhere from 16 to 22 veteran suicides A FUCKING DAY in the US, forgive me for not shedding a tear.
I'm gonna put this as concisely as possible - words mean things; suicide means to kill ones' self/die by ones' own hand; I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT ANOTHER PERSON CHOOSES TO DO. If a trans person kills themselves because they can't deal with reality, THAT IS THEIR CHOICE. NOT ANYONE ELSE'S PROBLEM.
Sort of yes people do ultimately decide to commit suicide themselves but that doesn't mean noone is to blame for driving them to such a point per se for example in one flew over the cuckoo's nest
From a psychological perspective, this is just "My mental illness makes me more suicidal". It's not society's fault that you're emotionally unstable. The empathetic solution is to encourage you to seek help, not indulge your delusion. Saying to a mentally ill person - or anyone, for that matter - "you can believe whatever you want and we will accept it as true" will hurt the individual and society.
"Black trans conservative" How TF did you get thru that one with a straight face? LMFAO
There is a presupposition here that transgenderism should be entertained in the first place. That is a question whose answer is not obvious, and demands asking. You cannot maintain a culture or society you enjoy living within if your behaviour erodes and destroys it.
Precisely. I refuse to play this game. It shouldn't be entertained. It should be treated like anorexia
@@themeangene How is anorexia treated?
@@rbfilms4752 medication and therapy to remove the delusion of the anorexic that they are fat.
@@ethanhinton4549 The medication and therapy is designed to treat unhealthy weight loss which can lead to death. Helping you change your body image is only effective insofar as it convinces you to stop harmful practices like purging or undereating.
Trans-positive therapy and medications actually serves the exact same purpose - it helps people conform to the body image they desire which reduces the odds that they self-harm.
It's got nothing to do with "delusion."
@@rbfilms4752therapy, typically.
There is a form of abuse in relationships in which one party will use threats of self harm/suicide to control the other person. Trans activism often feels like that on a social level.
That's what it is.
At around 11:00 , I remembered a video talking about a meme trolley problem and taking it seriously.
"There's 1 track that goes in a circle and the trolley is rolling towards someone tied to the track. You can throw the lever, but that will only cause the trolley to change directions, but you can throw the lever as many times as you want. The person cannot ever get up and off the tracks, and you're the only one who can throw the lever. Do you throw the lever, and how long do you keep doing it?"
It calls upon how much duty to preserve life a person actually has.
"It's 'extermination' to the killers because they do not believe their victims are fully human."
I will say it again. "Justification is the magic word that transforms ordinary people into monsters.".
Let's use the new S word term:
Self-violence.
Boom, now suicide is a violent crime lol
I clicked this and very quickly said "wait, its not tuesday is it!?"
Its not Tuesday. Im happy lol
The issue is that trans people won't settle on a consistent framework that explains what they are and what accommodations they require because the activists are after the abolition of the entire concept of sex whole sale. If they stick to the medical explanation then they risk having their activism game cut short by the possibility of an objective set of medical criteria. But if you stick to the Judith Butler explanation then there's no emotional blackmail to push the issue into the public consciousness as relentlessly. Whether they are doing this purposefully or not they know there's power in this charade and once it goes away their power will disappear as well and there will be an angry group who got caught up in their shifting narrative that they will have to contend with.
Interesting that you brought up disability activism, because there is a trend lately in that realm, mainly among chronically online young people with "invisible" disabilities like autism, of people ditching the "medical model" of disability entirely and adopting a "social model" of disability where they see their disability in a very esoteric way, as a different "state of being" or "way of existing" rather than a medical condition, in a very similar way to how modern trans activists see trans-ness as an alternative lifestyle rather than a medical condition. The disability activism equivalent of "you don't need dysphoria to be trans" is "you don't need an autism/ADHD/whatever diagnosis to be neurodivergent". It is perhaps not very surprising then that a significant proportion of people who espouse this more esoteric view of disability are also trans and/or non-binary.
Honestly, as someone who has been diagnosed with autism myself, and on the lower maintenance/"higher functioning" end of the spectrum at that, I can definitely see the appeal in a more society-centric/esoteric/spiritual view of autism given how vast the autism spectrum is and the fact that we still don't really know exactly what causes it, but at the same time to apply this view to all disabilities completely undoes all the decades of work done by previous generations of disabled activists including wheelchair users, deaf activists and blind activists, which are obviously very different beasts than the abstract category of "neurodivergence", as well as the work done to accommodate those "lower functioning" autists who have very different support needs. In my opinion the solution would be to socially consider people with physical disabilities, severe intellectual disabilities, and those autists who have very high support needs to be in a different camp than people who are simply "neurodivergent", in much the same way as some gay/lesbian/queer activists are now trying to separate themselves from the trans activists. In practical terms most people already kind of do this anyway, and at this stage the social view of neurodivergence hasn't quite gone in the same direction as trans activism in that most autism and disability rights activists generally agree that there isn't currently an "autism genocide" happening right now, and the language associated with this view has generally been adopted in a much more casual manner within the autistic community as we talk and ponder about our experiences as autists with each other. There are of course some militant radicals who conduct themselves in the same way that radical trans activists do, but they are still largely on the margins of both disability rights activism and the general autistic/neurodiverse community.
What also needs to be addressed is that some activists express a need for reality to bend to accommodate someone's subjective experience, with there being no possible outcome where said person is steered away from being trans...
Bet you would never say this to a religious person.
@@1048Kane if they tried to force others to accept their outlook, I sure would.
Do you live in the real world?
@@biostemm
@@1048Kane Yes. Where do you live?
@@1048Kane two parties are at fault, do we criticise one and deflect all criticisms of the second by reminding of the first?
No, you just criticise both by not partisan projecting. What you’re doing is basically saying rules for thee not for me
When someone claims to be trans, they're usually suggesting that their body doesn't match their mind. So, how about we think that shit all the way through then? Because that means one of two things; either their minds are broken, or their bodies are broken. The claim is that their bodies require "treatment" (drugs and surgery) to be brought into alignment with their minds.
However, when we can clearly see that a person's body is healthy and functioning properly (before they damage it with drugs and surgeries), that means the true source of their issue lies within the mind itself. _Perhaps that is what is broken and in need of repair!_
This is what I've never understood. If someone has gender dysphoria, why do we do muiltilative surgeries and pump them full of opposite sex hormones, when we can just pump them full of same-sex hormones to counteract the imbalance that causes gender dysphoria in the first place?
@@ethanhinton4549 I honestly think Jungian psychology should be mandatory throughout the education system.
Essentially, everyone has two halves to their personality. The animus and the anima; the masculine and feminine aspects of their own subconscious.
With that being said, a man who likes feminine things isn't "born in the wrong body", or even necessarily gay. In actuality, he is simply more attuned with his anima than with that of his animus.
The same can be said for women as well. A woman who just so happens to enjoy masculine things isn't "born in the wrong body", or even necessarily a lesbian either. It is significantly more likely that she just has a stronger connection to her animus.
People need to learn how to love themselves for who they are, instead of fundamentally altering themselves into someone else entirely. It speaks volumes for one's lack of self-esteem.
Damn, Dev's comment section today just has heavy hitters, would love to see all arguments compiked and answered.
I suppose this explains the confusion around what Trans really refers to. I always believed that it refers to people with Gender Dysphoria, but you can definitely see a large vocal crowd online insult you for gatekeeping with that interpretation. These same people will argue for Trans rights on the grounds of Gender Dysphoria, but still leave the definition as "anyone who identifies as trans" without taking the next logical step and realizing that if all the justification for rights comes from Gender Dysphoria, then making Trans have an open lifestyle like definition is unnecessarily confusing. If not another layer of the Motte and Bailey, maybe they just do so to not upset the Trans Activists who will cannibalize them over such a disagreement.
It also creates a contradiction with the demands from activists. If gender dysphoria is irrelevant to being trans, then why must we give access to medical surgeries to trans people (and especially underage people) when its purpose is to relieve gender dysphoria?
Might be a hot take from the Dev perspective, but I think there should be more restrictions on "trans affirming care", purely for the fact that far too many people who become convinced they are trans are railroaded into the damaging treatments that have long lasting effects. Before you get to hormones and/or (heaven forbid) surgery, literally every other viable option must be exhausted to help that person, only then can you commit to the irreversible.
So what comes first, the chicken or the egg. You make the argument that trans activism is suicide prevention. Thus, I would argue, that the notion of validation culture is responsible for the suicide, and not, the disallowing of trans activism to overrun social systems. As long as we continue to make kids believe that they must be validated by society and thus society MUST validate them, you will have higher rates of suicide. And suicide rates are up across the board, not just for trans or gays.
6:31 I don't believe this is true. Denying someone's "transness" is not the same as denying their humanity.
"If you make their lives so unbearable that they kill themselves, it's safe to say you have blood in your hands."
Does that apply to "if you make their lives so unbearable by bullying them because they played a Harry Potter game that they have to quit their job, it's safe to say you're partly responsible for their suffering"?
Seriously Dev. Sometimes you make reasonable arguments only to contradict them in a different discussion.
what was the next sentence i said?
26?!?! That is insanely low compared to how these people talk about it.
I love how this strategy is completely backfiring and NOBODY wants to deal with with them anymore, they’ve now created the very sort of discrimination they’ve been whining about.
I'll never get over "bonus hole" -- I swear that's one of those things that must have originally come out of 4chan, but no one has realized it yet. There's just no way, y'know?!