What Does It Mean To Be Indigenous?
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- Опубліковано 28 сер 2024
- Why are indigenous Europeans not granted the status of "indigenous", and all of the political clout that comes with it, when progressives accept that logic for all other indigenous peoples?
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@20:00 the Sargon tweet is coming from a position of current events. The rate of legal and illegal immigration in his country is unreasonable and untenable. Unless the immigration numbers become 0 at this point the country will fall apart. That does not mean immigration cannot resume in the future when the country can handle it. Misinterpreting your good friend's tweet like this shows a staggering level of scumbaggery coming from you. Why do your friend dirty like this? Now if I'm wrong I'll issue an apology, to you mostly.
Frankly, staggering? This is in reality right up his alley.
what? i didn't misrepresent it. THIS IS HOW OTHER PEOPLE ON TWITTER WERE TAKING IT. i have my problems with it but i don't think it's white nationalism. i think it's normal conservatism.
What "scumbaggery"? What exactly was it that he said that you take issue with?
@@AndrewAce. because SFO does not share every single believe that Sargon Holds.
@@ShortFatOtaku "I think that it's normal conservativism" - therein lies the problem.
Once more from a similar video like two years ago, "Believing that the Native Americans have some kind of everlasting ownership of America means you believe in racial nationalism."
Horseshoe theory proven yet again
Is there something wrong with that? A country is made up of founding members after all.
@Theiron2142 apparently to the woke there's nothing at all wrong with racial nationalism as long as its not a white nation
Interesting...
Because i do.
@@andresanguianozuniga6798cuck
I still cannot understand how anyone can say they are against colonialism or imperialism but also against borders. If you have no border, you have no limit to where your laws and culture can extend and be violently enforced. To say you have no border is to say you wish to colonise the entire world.
You speak logic...
A language that the Left cannot comprehend, since it destroys their pseudo-religious beliefs, and causes them cognitive dissonance, as well as hurts their feelings.
Lol....that's actually a pretty good observation.
You can get rid of borders by no longer enforcing the laws, effectively annihilating the state, which leaves the land free for annexation by the countries that everyone keeps trying to flee from.
But I guess the new state would still have borders, so you're right: "no borders" is actually just a call for global-scale imperialism.
It's only okay when they do it, it's like an unspoken guideline they have.
Great point...
Thats why the multicultural utopia the left wants its contradictory...
Its like...
Multiculturality in name of homogenization.
based on my genetics, i’m indigenous to wales, france, spain, and poland
the fact that europeans descended from europeans are not considered “indigenous” to europe is insane to me. if every other group of people are indigenous to wherever they’re from, then europeans are indigenous to europe.
Because it's weaponized ideology. Words still mean what they mean lol.
The extreme left hate Europe and everything we stand for. White has always been the enemy in their ideology so of curse the birthplace of the white need to be destroyed.
Welp, they make me sound like an alt-right
It also depends on how you define indigenous. If you are Slavic, then your ancestors came to Europe between the 6th and 11th century AD. If you are of a romance origin, they probably came to Italy in around the 10th century BC. And ultimately we are all from Africa. But if you descend from the oldest people group, still occupying this land today, then yes, you are indigenous.
@@sempersuffragium9951 My family on both sides have been here for over 400 years. I AM native American.
All of my ancestors got here shortly after the Civil War. All of my living ancestors when I was born were also born here. I, too, am a native American.
You can become British, but you cannot become English, Scottish or Welsh.
That’s actually a fair statement. I’m American by birth, but my family came here from Portugal. While I consider myself wholly American, I’m not Navajo, Cherokee, Algonquin, etc. Just because you can’t adopt an ethnicity doesn’t mean you can’t adopt a cultural/ideological identity.
Very true.
Basicly Brasil.
Since the beginning of mankind, the land has always belonged to those who can hold it.
Thanks for the wisdom turtle
Facts turtle bro
@@SpartanTriggerthe people's of Europe have no power, they live in democracies. Special interests have power.
@@Raygun9000 yep, and they are too star struck of utopians to admit the horrid flaw of such systems. They don't want to be cruel
Violence is the Supreme authority from which all authority is derived
Someone doesn’t like that their ancestors sucked at war.
Lmao
"This is unceded indigenous land!"
"Looks pretty ceded to me, loser."
@hyperdimensionbliss6604 no if you are a canada it's explicitly written in law you have to pay native Americans for the land.
Go tell that to Jews if you are so brave
@@cariopuppetmaster I’ll tell them right after the Palestinians.
As an Englishman I don't even consider myself the same ethnicity as people in Scotland / Wales. To hear Americans say I'm no different from a Frenchman or German is weird.
The English are Germanic as are some parts of France
I'm American and I wouldn't dare insult the English by comparing them to the cheese eating surrender monkeys to your south.
I mean I'll insult you for having a king that was so retarded we fucked off with our heads held high, but that's just tradition. Calling you *French* is an insult too far dammit!
To Americans, all Europeans are effectively divided into pale blonde nords, tanned meds, and 'normal' anglo/French/Germans(basically the same), Red headed Irish/Scots with freckles (non red head = cringe) and Slavs. Different cultures exist, but only superficially.
@@Ultravenom1 and red heads in Denmark as well
Nothing wierd about noticing that you're not Scottish, Welsh or Irish. Honestly the notion that you 'don't consider' yourself the same ethnicity as opposed to simply *knowing* that you are not is the part that strikes me as weird and shows how big a mess the socialists have made right under the west's noses.
Hey Dev! I'm actually a tribal member of The Haida/Tilingit tribe up in Alaska. Liked your video! One point I want to make is this, if some BLM members are for all peoples then we should have our back, not them. Also, I want to say this, the government screwed over many of the Native Tribes, not the people today! Though we may have been taught a PG version of our history in public school, we still need to remember the average white or bipoc person is not to blame. It is so sad to see my own people blame the average person and it makes things worse.
Whoa how far does the Haida tribe extend? We have Haida here near Washington.
@James so The Haida/Tilingit tribe used to be two but are now one. I'm a but rusty on the history but the whole ownership of Russia going to America dispersed them around a bet, I think. In fact my grandpa was secretly given to adoption in Colorado. It was sad and odd that his genetic brother who was from lived in the same city as him for two decades. But they never knew. Maybe they saw eachother once who knows.
Another thing about my tribe is that we don't care about blood quantum. We want a bigger family.
I'm a native fisherman and DFO still harasses and fucks with us and tramples on our rights to this day. I don't hold this against regular people but the government still has it out for us. They will spend a million to stop me from making ten thousand.
@Michael exactly. Plus they still owe money to plenty of tribes. But it's okay, we'll keep sending money to other countries first.
Okay, but the term bipoc is dumb because I wouldn't consider a black American the same as an American Indian since black people here are not indigenous, and I think most people think the same. And after hearing how the reservation system works today, I still think American Indians are oppressed both by the US government and also by those who claim to speak for American Indians.
I never understood why people act like its Europe's, the USA's, and Canada's responsibility to take on all the imigrants like we're the daycares of the world.
A straight up THANK YOU for this video. Here in Europe, national sovereignty is constantly being decried as being some "alt-youknowwhat" project by leftists, so having a video that explains the concept in a sensible manner while also calling out their hypocrisy is practically detox.
Why care tho , just be alt whatever , your own ppl matter the most not others who are problematic and can go away
@@SpartanTrigger but leftists won’t fuck off, as you suggest 😂
@@SpartanTrigger right , but " rationalist" such as mr.otaku here pretend white nationalism is tOtalLy inSaNE MaN, while simultaneously agreeing with 90% of eveyrthing alters believe
Because the alts and movements like them always end up ruining the people they claim to be the protectors of. Think Zimbabwe or South Africa but roles reversed.
The correct answer to being called alt-youknowhat is "Me ne Frego"
I still really don't understand the odd exception leftists make for sami, sometimes even calling them poc, I'm 1/4 sami and I would describe all my sami relatives as white. I first noticed this shit when Disney's Frozen first came out and you had terminally online wokescolds accusing Disney of "white washing" the sami characters.
Because they're all just racist: One of the closest ethnic groups to Sami in Europe are Hungarians, are Hungarians white to most Leftists? Probably.
Samis are white people.
@@grimnir8872 Finns and Estonians are even closer.
Also, fun fact about this definition of "indigenous". The moment Sami people would get it's own country, where they are majority, they would immediately stopped being considered indigenous. The legal definition used, if you read it carefully, basically is a polite way of saying "tribal people who got subjugated by others and now they cannot protect their own interests on their own". BTW any Native American tribe that would get independednt state with their own majority would ALSO cease to be indigenous under this definition.
I used to work in museums, with Indigenous people. Generally speaking, they were the most racist people I've ever worked with, even to each other. It was almost impossible to get certain people from different nations to work with each other. In the language of one nation in particular, their names for every other nation or race of people is some kind of insult. I was once referenced a REDx talk by an indigenous prof from the University of Lethbridge which was total Blut und Boden. Apparently Canada doesn't have a real culture because the British don't have a real culture because their ancestors were Anglo-Saxon colonizers of the British Isles and therefore not Blut und Boden. This is in contrast to the Blackfoot who DO have a real culture because they have lived in their territory since forever.
But then what do I know? My dad came to Canada in 1952 because he, his family, and 15 million other Prussians, Pomeranians, and Silesians were ethnically cleansed by the USSR. No Blut und Boden for us!
hell, all the Asian friends I know (including me) agree that we are racist, even more so against each other lol
@@benlee7565 real friends are racist to each other, I see you are a man of culture
I grew up in a hub area for reserve communities and was told the same thing by indigenous friends I had made. One woman told me because she worked on one bands land at a gas station but was from another she was constantly exposed to racism. I admit at the time it took me back a bit and made me rethink my perspective.
@@drakoan there's a reason that leftists had to redefine racism to mean something that technically only white people could do.
"In the language of one nation in particular, their names for every other nation or race of people is some kind of insult"
Are you talking about russians, by any chance? I noticed that with them mostly.
The part about the Sami people being considered indigenous that's moderately humorous to me is that their people actually migrated to Fennoscandia *after* the Norse peoples. It's just that they kept inland, rather than on the coasts, so their people were mostly isolated from them, thus is why there is so few cultural exchanges between them.
The same (pun) can be said about the finns and the southern coast of Finland.
You see. The way "indigenous" is used nowadays is at convince of their views.
I've heard that people hate the Sami because they lead their deer into roads because the government pays them for dead deer more than what those deer are worth as meat.
@@ImTakingYouToFlavorTown so. The government is the problem?
@@SergioLeonardoCornejo "indigenous" seems to be a way of describing any group that has lots of colorful traditional garb, and live in a small politically insignificant tribe or tribalesque society at the margins of the modern world. i'm half expecting to here the gypsies described as indigenous someday in the near future, it fits the trend so far.
Dev: "I didnt say anything racist today."
The Progs: "it sure fucking felt like it."
As if they aren’t themselves
classic projection.
Accuse your enemies of what you are guilty of.
"You're a right-winger and opened your mouth, I'd say that's enough evidence of racism."
@@MoustachioFurioso83 dev isn't a right winger
The funny thing is, if applied consistently, a leftist analysis in an indigenous/colonialist framework would have to conclude that Jews are the indigenous people of Israel, and that "Palestinians" are colonizers akin to white South Africans who call themselves an indigenous group.
But, since Israel in unpopular among leftists (for a variety of reasons), whenever the topic is broached, they devolve into absolutely wild special pleading, in an attempt to construct a special definition for these terms that will somehow exclude all or most Jews without invalidating their arguments in almost all other contexts, and without using the word "Jews" so they don't sound racist.
damn straight.
That makes sense because historically Zionism (the idea that Jews have the right to return to the land of Israel and have some self determination on that land) is a leftist movement and many of the early leaders were socialist like divad Ben Gurion
It’s interesting the EU ignore the Baltic states who have been on their ancestral lands for thousands of years and Slavic people also have a history of being enslaved by other powers for as long as slavery itself.
Noticed hpw that last people and what they passed throu sound similar?
Well, don't you know they are all white and therefore bear the burden of the evil white colonialists too?
Also, you rejected your benevolent dictators, you ungrateful scum. Instead of the way to heaven, you chose freedom!
You deserve the scorn you get, your history deserves to be ignored!
This seems to be the positions from people like Chomsky and other commies or braindead progs. Sadly, the progs were voted in by us western europeans so they control vast parts of our countries and the EU.
I for one hope that we turn our backs away from the degeneracy from the progressive left.
@@user-co7fo well I don’t trust Chomsky since he spread misinformation saying the Khmer Rouge wasn’t committed nihilistic massacres.
Lmao polish people 🤣😅
@@battokizu Yeah we Poles were invaded and attacked enough times for it to become a quite funny meme.
Quick point Dev, in the US the popular stance on immigration among Conservatives is not "zero immigration", its "controlled immigration" similar to what Japan does. The calls for a secured border are to stop ILLEGAL immigration where there is no control over who comes in and what they bring with them. There are some who do want zero immigration but the are still very much the minority of the party among both voters and people in office.
Yeah, good luck trying to convince him otherwise. He very blatantly has a seething bias against Conservatives, given how often he misrepresents their position.
maxxor you very blatantly have a seething bias against me, as i am actually pro-controlled immigration.
@ShortFatOtaku He said you have a bias that leads you to strawman conservatives. How does your defense negate that?
"Conservatives hate fruit."
"No, you have a bias that makes you misunderstand conservative talking points. Conservatives just don't like raspberries."
"No, you have a bias against me, and i know because I also don't like raspberries."
@@ShortFatOtaku You claim Conservatives don't. _That's_ my problem with you; you lie, and expect people to just eat it up. How about for once you don't call it rain when you whizz on your audience, hmm? You'd earn more respect that way, by not being so dishonest.
Tell that to Sargon lol
Something about Japan that often goes misunderstood in the English speaking world I've noticed, is them being "98% ethnically Japanese" doesn't quite mean what people expect. People seem to think that this is only the result of low immigration and difficulty staying, but there's another aspect to it.
Once you become a Japanese citizen, a process which includes taking a Japanese name, from that point on in all official government documents and census data, you are considered to be no different from a born and raised Japanese person, effectively becoming ethnically Japanese in the eyes of the record keepers. Following the "old world" idea of ethnicity this makes sense, but going purely by the new world/American one, it would not.
Osaka vs tokyo vs Hokkaido r all very different. even in Canada.. toronto people r different from Brampton, Scarborough Missauga etc.
apparently bc people r different from Toronto.
Despite that, it’s still an extremely homogenous country. Also most of the immigrants who do that are physically indistinguishable from native Japanese
@@JeiBurke While yes most of Japan's "integrated" ethnic minorities are of Korean and Chinese ancestry that can easily look Japanese, it still goes to show that an ethnic minority can fully assimilate into their new home as long as they're willing to make the effort.
I wouldn't say Japan is homogenous despite this fact, but rather Japan is homogenous *because* of this fact.
@@entidade_000I myself have run into migrants in my hometown who have both assimilated and are indistinguishable from born Americans and others who refuse to assimilate and even are borderline racist to everyone else because they are apart of the greater culture, I have even run into a woman who was born in the us lived in china for like 3 years when she 4/5 and refuses tk truly assimilate and complains about America yet takes advantage of all the opportunities that the nations provides from highschool to college and state stem awards.
Talking about indigenous within the context of India is basically incoherent. "Indigenous" people from the same town in India from different castes are often more distantly related than people from different countries in Europe. Meaning that India is a whole bunch of ethnicities that are right on top of each other and didn't mix for thousands of years, which should be impossible. The caste system and the insane degree of segregation in Indian society is only possible because of the belief in karma and reincarnation. Indians for most of their history believed in social mobility not in life but in death.
Age of empires 2: Now we are lanchinho The New DLC, The Peoples of india.
The American experiment is unique in having culture having nothing to do with ethnicity and it shows with America's unique definition of ethnicity being exclusively referring to genetics
The Soviets did similar, moving populations around so as to rub up against other antagonistic populations. It stops the masses from uniting against the powers that be when they're not your biggest concern.
Although it was also through merit the British Empire liked installing rulers of different races to the those they ruled. Not English, often Indian and sometimes Scottish.
Can confirm soviets there are no cremean tatars in cremea anymore didn't know about the english
The pasty white “two-spirit disabled” activist is definitely a modern archetype who are ironically seen with ire from the indigenous community.
I'm not entirely sure what two spirit means but I am entirely sure it is a mental illness.
This video made me feel very indigenous. Any time someone tells me I’m not a native of America, I get very indigenous.
Ok Randy 😂🤣🤣
@@punchout2418 ^this guy gets it
I still remember when everyone was stoked on Columbus.
@@Garrus1995 Columbus is my hero.
Hahaha I get very indigenous sounds like a dope name for restaurant and bar. 😂
I like how the land bridge theory is “debunked” only because she says it is like she’s the Arbiter of truth
If you asked, she'd probably throw some sources at you.
You know, the way flat earthers do.
yeah, has anyone bothered to ask any of them for the source on that claim?
@@3eve0n The spirits told them, duh.
@@3eve0n I have. Basically, it's just Creationism. Their primary source are their traditional stories, which are treated as scientific accounts and not mythology, in the same way that Creationists do with the Bible. Creationists have a more elaborate system of pseudoscientific backing though. Typically, Indigenous Creationism tends to rely on piecemeal bits of archaeology applied to shore up the mythological stories. And any new find is radically misinterpreted beyond what it actually says. For example, when the footprints in White Sands National Park were dated at around 22,000 years old, a lot of Indigenous people and allies were like "see! This proves that our stories are true and we've been here forever, just like our elders say!"
Dude, she's a lezbianne witch native disabled person. You have no right, NO RIGHT! to make fun of this individual. You will NEVER know their plight😤
'Debunked land bridge theory'
It was at this point I realized the creature, despite its capacity for speech, was neither intelligent nor self-aware, a form of colorful and interesting fauna, but fauna nonetheless.
lol
There is archaeological evidence that there were 2 distinct groups of tool users that came to the Americas, and far earlier than originally hypothesized. The hypothesis now is that these two groups sailed along the ice-packs.
One group from Asia and the other from Southern France, with the oldest sights found so far, for each group, on their respective coasts’ of North America, each moving towards the center and eventually mixing.
Alaskan Native here with a minor in native american studies, not agreeing with all of the points he made but the land bridge theory isn’t very accepted in the academic community anymore. There’s archeologists who have found human foot prints carbon dated around 25,000 years old in the continental U.S. Which debunks the land bridge theory (siberians crossing 10,000-15,000 years ago)
10:04 Reminds me of my Human Evolution class where we spent a few days reading about how Native American creationism should be treated as a theory that is equally as valid as the Land Bridge Theory because science is “White” and goes against their oral histories.
What would be the implications of the theory of "aboriginal peoples were always here and never migrated across the Beiring Straight"?
Maybe that biologically speaking Aboriginals and all other peoples from the other continents don't share a common humanity.
So if they don't have common humanity then what happens to human rights? Is only one particular group truly human? Is one group In particular not human?
Dear God.
Literally dehumanising. So what, Earth actually has two different sentient species, parallel evolution? How do they explain our capacity to reproduce seemlessly?
@@ricardogens9834 There's no rational or scientific explanation.
You could only explain this inconsistency and paradox with literal magic or some divine will.
@@Good_Emperor It's literally a cultish conspiracy theory, definitely. Kinda like the Mormons or Scientology.
As a Dane from Denmark, thank you! I would have never been able to so precisely articulate what I've been feeling in regards to the mass immigration that has happened over the past decade.
Every time someone (rightfully) asks, why Denmark shouldn't be first and foremost for indigenous Danes, it has always been shot down and ridiculed as Nazi rhetoric. We are a TINY country with about 5.8m people (less than a lot of major cities around the world), and with a unique language and history. We have the worlds oldest flag, and the worlds oldest monarchy and royal family.
I couldn't imagine a fate worse than being diluted to the point we lose our national identity. Even if we're conquered in a war or lose half our population in some way, we would still have our national identity, no matter the conquerors intentions.
"no matter the conquerors intentions."
Unless they genocide you. Then the result is the same as now.
Second oldest monarchy. Even if we discount the bullshit from the Japanese they still can date their monarchy to the 500s
How nice to hear a fellow Dane say the same I have been thinking.
@schou43 lols you communicate yo each other in english because you think so lowly of your own language
@@cariopuppetmaster Åh, spar mig. Jeg besvarer en Engelsk kommentar på Engelsk, og nu hader jeg pludselig mit eget sprog? Fuck af.
As an Irish person you can tell its about anti European sentiment instead of indigenous rights, we've had our country back for about a 100 years, northern Ireland is still a colony and we also are bring pressured to accept unlimited immigration and told were racist if we disagree
We’re adopting the whole world and it’s pure lunacy
Northern Ireland isn't a colony any more than Scotland or Wales or anywhere else in the UK. You losers really need to get over that and accept that most Ulstermen do not and never did want to be part of your skeevy republic.
Amen.
The problem is that mass migration provides no reason for immigrants to assimilate. People keep saying that assimilating is imperialism. These groups often go on to form ethnic enclaves where they don't have to assimilate.
Even if you ignore immigration, Japan is not an ethno-state because they absorbed Okinawa, the former Ryukyu kingdom. Okinawa still has its own culture and customs separate from the rest of Japan.
Look at Hawaii… who the heck is indigenous there now?
@@Xplora213 Randy Marsh and his friends.
Also the Ainu.
@@viljamtheninja he thought this was America? 🍺
Who else is gonna awaken King Caesar when Mechagodzilla attacks?
I am Lakota. It is pretty common to see or hear the various things that were done to try to erase our culture beyond actions like Sand Creek and Wounded Knee, such as with the boarding schools which saw children taken from their parents and forced to give up their names, language, and culture. Yet so many today who lament these things have adopted a form of Marxism, and are essentially finishing the job that the boarding schools started, basically by being uninterested in learning their own language and particulars of their own culture, because they are too busy being victims and activists. When I lived on the reservation, the sense I got was that the youth had adopted a form of ghetto culture and wanted to be gangsters. It makes me pretty sad, actually, because while there are programs intended to pass on the language and the culture, I can't help but think that parts of our culture will continue to die as the Elders die.
Jesus Christ how horrifying
I agree with this guy to a certain level the idea some people like Ash Sarkar refuse to acknowledge the existence of Native Indgenious white English people of English heritage in England is ridiculous. We know what a Native English person is to pretend race or ethnicity doesn't exist is a denial of history. And DNA.
Hmm. Almost as bad as what the Lakota did to the various tribes that previously inhabited the land that they live in. Which is to say that the Lakota outright g3n0c!đ3d them, slaughtering them to the last child. I guess those tribes' cultures weren't worth not getting erased.
Yeah, that is because kids these days don't give a fuck about tradition. Same applies to every nation in the western world, but especially in native areas and other areas. We care more about consumerism and materialism than we do about cultural dreemurrism and it is depressing.
I'm Scotch Irish by genetics, and I understand that, even if I move to Scotland or Ireland, I'll never be Scottish or Irish, so how can some guy from Cameroon who hates the Scotts and Irish declare themselves to be Scottish or Irish? Simple as 🤷🏼♂️
The History of the Scotch irish will forever be fucking hilarious.
Because the local society is okay with it. That's literally how it works.
@@cariopuppetmaster heres the thing though. If i went to scotland and did the same id be called a dumb american.
@mondaysinsanity8193 that proves my point. If the local society is okay with it would be. Also remember a Scottish american speaks with an American accent.
@Grimnir a constant history of "ah shit, we gotta move again?"
As a side note, the Sapmi are very closely related to Finnish, Estonians, and to a lesser extent Hungarians. They are newer to Europe than most Europeans, and come from the Ural mountain area. And the only thing that ever set them apart from their Finnish and Estonian cousins, is that they settled inland Scandinavia, meaning they had less access to resources. So literally all that set them apart is that they were behind in technology. We don't know who the original human settlers of anywhere on earth are, with a few exceptions. The earliest surviving inhabitants of Europe is the Basques in Spain. But again we don't know if they were the first people to live in that little corner of Iberia.
My point being, this Indigenous crap is honestly really stupid when you really think about it. Most modern "natives" killed the natives that lived where they are now. They are just as guilty under their own logic.
Human genetics is weird because if you go back far enough were four species and we know three could interbreed. Human, Neanderthal, and Denisovan could interbreed with each other. The fourth were the hobbits in south east asia that were the last ones to die out and no evidence genetically of mixing with them. Though the weird ones are Denisovan as we don't even have a clue how they looked but they interbred with humans in asia like neanderthal did with humans in europe.
@@domehammer You're right. Go back far enough and everyone has committed genocide against someone
In France we have a book by Ernest Renan called "What is a Nation ?" a very interesting definition of Nation-state (writen during the century of the nation-state the XIXth) that, in a nutshell, says that a nation is above anything else a will and a story, not a race and all, it's something shared from our ancestor and that we transmit to our children, it's not something that we can easily define by just an etnhicity or a race because that go largely above that. It's a short texte so if it's disponible in english langage give it a try thats goof food for thoughts
yep i talked about it in my "what is nationalism" vid
Stories and Something shared(aka traditions) that you pass on to your genetic descendants is literally what an ethnicity/race is though
@@ShortFatOtaku Interestingly, if you remember when the French national team won some sportsball competition a few years ago and people in the US discovered that many of the french players were black or brown and it just didn't compute with them. I think it was Trevor Noah who called it a "victory for Africa" because he just couldn't fathom that nationality could be somehow not tied to race. If I remember correctly, the French embassador in the US got really pissed at him for it because calling into question the frenchness of people because of their skin colour is actually seen as peak racism in France.
It really goes to show how completely skewed the american view on race and nationality is. Americans are just obsessed with race and it's creepy to everyone else, especially in europe.
@@garak55 This isn't an American talking point on how those "French players" was a victory for Africa. This is both a progressive and nationalist talking point for different reasons, which you already partly explained in your comment.
Trevor Noah accidentally proved the alt-right and other ethnonationalists right that the French Ambassador tried to refute. Noah didn't understand at first why he said an alt-right talking point because non-white progressives view race as part of their identity while the white progressives have so much self-hatred of their race, they have OUT-group preference for minorities instead of in-group preference like non-whites do. Once Noah realized his mistake and the implication of how those players are not French, he backtracked his view. This points out a major flaw in both multiculturalism and civic nationalism as well.
@@ShortFatOtaku Have you ever thought about creating your own political theory or an update? I’m asking because you had made a video long ago where you where saying that other political systems correctly criticized liberalism but I was curious as to what the approaches would look like.
The thing that people forget is this. From the Aztecs, to the Israelites, and the Native Americans, people from the dawn of time have move to one lace to another. Most of mankind were travers mostly hunting and gathering. It was thanks to farming and surprisingly beer that man started to build settlements, villages and soon cities. It is in our nature man to move one place another either for jobs, family or fleeing from bad conditions.
@@oz_jones That is man. They found another way to produce food and stuck with it were just tired of moving all the time.
Well yeah but on the other hand, it's also in our nature to be super territorial and fight over Land with other tribes
The denial of the land bridge theory just feels like a different flavor of Young Earth Creationism. The only difference being that you get called racist for criticizing it.
I feel the same way about the denial of a sexual binary. Except they call you transphobic for criticizing it.
"People should know when they're conquered."
"Would you, Quintus? Would I?"
Roman quote?
@@samfire3067It's from Gladiator.
No Joke, a native guy I know claims that natives were in Canada back when there was only one continenet...so I guess we were all just hanging out with dinosaurs flintstone style.
Literally never, ever listen to the "historical expertise" of your average non-white. Not because of their race, but because the average history nerd is a white, east asian, or indian guy, and specifically a GUY.
Literally had Indigenous Australians throw spears at me and my guard dog last night while patroling a womens shelter
Do you happen to live in Alice Springs?
@@estellechan8811 hahaha, nah the only place in the NT thats worse but doesnt get any media coverage. Wadeye
There is a story to be told here. Do you mind telling it? I’m honestly interested in hearing it.
Yeah no worries, Wadeye as I understand was like most indigenous communities in Australia. Its a town that was made to be shared by up to 5 indigenous tribes in the area completely funded by the federal government. As with most of these communities the 5 tribes do not get along. Murders, general violence like rocking and spearing, burning down houses its all happening here.
Normally we dont have much drama with the locals outside or rockings or robberies but new guards have rocked up to patroll the school. The new guards have been freaking out at every person who walks past the school with an axe or machette, I also saw one not letting locals take shelter from the torrential rain in the basketball court, that sorta stuff.
That has ended with everyone in a security shirt being targeted.
When it came to the incident last night, a spear hit a parked van i was walking behind so I just stayed there with timmy for a while till the mob got bored and moved on.
But yeah Wadeye itself is a town filled with half burnt housed and fully burnt cars. Kids and wild dogs (dingoes) roaming the streets. People mostly steal food or alcohol out here because none of them can budget their pensions. Heck the day I arrived one of the dudes working the airport showed me footage of some kids breaking in to the airport to steal from the fridges.
To survive testicular cancer takes balls, literally.
I can confirm this, though it only took one ball in my case.
That Swedish tweet is so utterly ignorant. The Indo-European migration to Europe predates the Sami migration/origin by thousands of years. Not to mention the fact that Basques exists. Their language is most likely a relic of one of the pre-Indo-European cultures.
I think the refusal to acknowledge ethnicities indigenous to Europe is because of the amount of different ethnicities present at some point - eg Romans, Celts, Vikings, Anglo-saxans, Normans etc all occupying Britain. So naturally, one stole from another, even if the land was uninhabited when they arrived, and so they want to play a game of "only who was there first" and they very likely aren't there now. The logic fails if they understood the amount of warring and takeovers even amongst agreed upon indigenous groups. Plot twist - we are all humans and we all have history of warring and take overs and forcing out the existing people. Thats why, like the land bridge theory, they want to ignore this inconvenient fact to hold a different standard for the Europeans, because applying it based on skin colour would unmask their racism.
"I think the refusal to acknowledge ethnicities indigenous to Europe is because of the amount of different ethnicities present at some point - eg Romans, Celts, Vikings, Anglo-saxans, Normans etc all occupying Britain. So naturally, one stole from another, even if the land was uninhabited when they arrived, and so they want to play a game"
Dude, this is the history of 90% of the world and most ethnicities have myth of origin from elsewhere like the Indo-Aryan from the steppe that doesn't stop them from being considered indigenous.
@@ikengaspirit3063 Yes, that's what he said, thank you for not reading the whole comment.
I think it just stems from hatred of white people. All of your explanation is just window-dressing and obfuscation
even if they want to ignore the landbridge theory... They still have to aknowledge that native american indians also commited genocides, immigrated from one part of the land to the other and pushed people off their lands, not to mention other barbaries...
One example? The Infamous Aztecs, seemingly aren't from modern day mexico, but originated more north, perhaps California or Nevada and migrated south.
And the North american tribes people... they were Nomadic for the most part... they moved from one part ot another.
White folks apparently only have ethnicities when they're East European slavic countries being invaded by another predominantly slavic country, but the rest of the time, not so much
The phrase “cry racist so hard they’d shit themselves” is a good one, I’m keeping that. Thanks, Dev.
Funny that this is the topic. Just an hour ago i left a tweet about how people don't understand the difference between genetics, ancestry, nationality and cultural traditions.
Oversimplifying thing with a label like "all whites" is a sign of how deteriorated the education of people is. Sadly i can't remember which philosophist said this and i'm paraphrasing "using your race or nationality as a sign of pride just shows how empty and devoid of achievements someone's life is".
I wouldn't consider myself British if I got a British citizenship, I would just consider myself a British citizen or person who has a British citizenship, not a Brit or British.
17:51 - Not the best example to use, since 'Britain' is on a different definitional layer from the nation states within it.
In practice, anybody who moves to the British Isles and respects / integrates into its broader culture is considered 'British' by our society. However, the people here won't call you English / Scottish / Welsh / Irish unless you are ethnically from (or culturally raised in) that particular part of the UK.
In other words, you can be on the Jedi council, but we won't grant you the rank of Jedi.
I mean, I literally do not consider someone English unless they are literally genetically from England, and I know familes who say stuff like "Half Scottish" People really do underestimate how Ethnically narrow the terms English, Scottish, Irish and Welsh are. Hell even in the UK we go by Ethnic county usually.
Well yeah that's why alot of people consider Rishi Sunac to be British but not English/Welsh/Scottish.
I must say, it's rare to hear a Can-merican understanding, that the European states (and the UK in particular) are fundamentally different from the new world.
"I don't care if people get indigenous. I'll crap allover their statues. I'm the one who's indigenous that this landmark even exists!" - Randy Marsh
"Conservatives say no immigrants"
there you go again, being a leaf
Dev's really been turning into a real b@$+@rd lately with that bilgetripe.
There are no conservatives in the conservative party.
Conservative republicans used to want immigration until it got way too out of control
We need to build rakes of mass destruction
"SKYRIM BELONGS TO THE NORDS!"
Exactly. The Europeans (with the exception of the Saami) didn't originate in Europe--they came from Tamriel!
@@jonnyboi87It's the opposite actually
This Western way of thinking is really weird to my Slavic ass
One important thing about the framework of the "nation of immigrants" is that it can only exist if you don't have a welfare state. Where immigrants either go in for some express purpose and if they don't want to integrate then they head back home, or they go, integrate, and become part of the central culture. Someone who goes into the nation, doesn't integrate but takes their whole family for free benefits paid for by the government fundamentally is unsustainable.
From my weebiness I can say that while Japan is a Western nation that could be described as very ethnically homogenous that it's a complicated story. They do have minorities - Ainu and Ryukyuan are the most prominent although they are themselves INCREDIBLY small minorities because of how much they've been either eliminated or otherwise adapted to the Japanese society (both ethnically and culturally - karate, for instance, was an Ryukyuan tradition that was brought to the mainland). They also have minorities in a similar vein to India's caste system, such as the Burakumin. They are far more culturally unified than most Western nations for certain, but the Burakumin thing in particular is still enough of an issue that for instance Tomino used it as inspiration for the writing in G-Reco.
Similar reasoning as to why "just get immigrants lol" isn't necessarily a solution to low birthrates. If it's a cultural thing, it could feasibly be adapted to the native culture; that or the foreign culture would have to not integrate in order to keep having children. And if it's an economic thing, immigrants will adapt to it instantly (they have no choice) unless the government gives them privileges, in which case those same incentives could be granted to the native population.
@@vaclavjebavy5118 also. a country relying on immigration to keep itself afloat is a terrible strategy and is a sign that a country is failing. Immigration is like steroids, sure it may seem to have good results in the short term, but in the long run, the more you rely on them the worst it becomes. And sooner or later the downsides will hit hard and it will be too late to do anything to fix it.
@@crazypissman6721Disagree, somewhat.
Falling birthrates and relying on immigration are symptoms of a much bigger sickness: Financialization.
I can explain it to you if you like.
@@Lobsterwithinternet sure. go ahead.
@@Lobsterwithinternet Hey, explain financialization.
After this video, as a french, one song came to mind : "What do they know of Europe" by the band Rome, describes pretty well the situation
I grew up on a family farm that can trace some of it's property back to 1850 land grants signed by Martin van Buren. It's not crazy to think that we have an objectively strong claim for the land considering the movement of people across the land at all times before that. It's that's not a strong claim, then what is?
Do you have a gun to defend it?
The ancestors of the Saami arrived in their current lands after the ancestors of the Norwegians and the Swedes arrived there, so technically, the Saami would be the colonizers. But I consider all of them indigenous there since they have no other homeland. Also, I always understood British a nationality, not an ethnicity, whereas the ethnicities native to Great Britain would be English, Welsh, Scottish, Manx, Irish. So, a Japanese person who moved to England and has citizenship there is not English, they are Japanese-British and a native English would be English-British, I think.
That is exactly how it works, it used to be like that on our government forms, but they removed the white ethnicites apart from Irish travellers to just make "White British"
Most English people have too mixed of a heritage to think like that, and don't. The kind of lardy racism of twats like Sargon is only really reflected in a certain sort of sweaty middleaged man.
You can consider them indigenous, but they werent there first regardless if no data shows were exacly they are from, means nomadic even temporarey means they are native nor indigenous and invaders who try to ethnic cleanse and genocide us ethnic swedes and we have the legal right due to all laws are from ethnic swedes, which means even unwritten or no name, we can still hold the police as fake police and the state as false and arrest them and have a trial due to said laws like not stealing always can be logically asumed, thus any non police ethnic swedes are legal from the laws of ethnic swedes the moral and legal authority to hold them accountable, with no written or name for said law, dont need to.
Thus, any swede here can legaly remove sami, wouldnt be suprised if international legal proves it due to them being invaders and colonisers, but the ethnic swedish legality/unwritten and no name for it legal are higher then the state, its like fundemental legality. So yeah, samis must be out to protect us white nordic ethnic swedes from white genocide and ethnic cleansing, but so must the middel easterners and africans.
@@randoomrandoo1230 There was no "Sweden" when they came to what is now northern Sweden and no Swedes in the north either. And no international law would decide you can remove the Sami. Try getting a job and having a shower so that you can join normal society instead of harbouring this nonsense.
Why would Irish allow them to do that?
My knee jerk reaction to both china and england was the same : no, you're not really british/chinese merely for getting the identity card, you actually have to assimilate.
Perhaps it's because I'm french, and we're fundamentally aspirational since centuries now, for a variety of reasons, a major one being the foundation of our nation state, one which was founded in a republican, universalist revolution that puported to welcome any that would be willing to embrace freedom. It had its ups and downs, but I think this stayed till now in large part, you are french not just because your ancestors have lived in france for a thousand years, but because you speak french, you dress french, you eat french, you think french. That's why most people would treat as more french the black french that speaks french with no hint of accent and went through the normal education system, knows his french history and geography, more than they would the white french that has the same behavior and accent as arab/arab descendants from the suburbs, people who typically didn't integrate very well.
Exactly, in France we don't care about race, we are a people obses with culture not with skin color, and I think it's a good thing
I have dual British citizenship, despite having never set foot in Britain
So yeah, “no” to both was pretty natural for me
Even then they'll never "be" that. If I were to movie to Romania I would never be Romanian. *Maybe* kids I have there would but I wouldn't. I'd just be an American living in Romania. Same as if I was in England, or Japan, or elsewhere. Doesn't matter if I have a piece of paper saying I'm a citizen of any of those countries or not
@@_BirdOfGoodOmen Yeah, it doesn't matter if you have a piece of paper, which is why I didn't say it mattered if you have a piece of paper.
But if you speak french, know our history, share our ideals, know, understand, respect and share our customs, then why would I not treat you as a fellow citizen ?
If you pledge allegiance to the tricolor flag, that you live by liberty, equality, fraternity, if you would join the defense of the nation as would any other french citizen, if you take part in the affairs of our country as would any other french citizen (or perhaps a little more, my compatriots have grown a bit lazy in that regard ^^), if you would join in celebration of the things we think are worthy of celebration... Why should I not count you amongst the ranks of our citizens ?
Occitans are certainly a distinct ethnic group from the rest of France, as are the Arpitan, Bretons, Basque, and Corsicans.
>Samis are the only indigenous people in Europe
That is CATEGORICALLY wrong to the point of being a complete denial of an ethnicity.
Ever heard of Basques? They are a people in Europe that predates the Indo-European expansion. Even the Samis are relative newcomers in comparison.
Pls un 4chan your text I already had to ask one special ed soyboy to stop he even had anime which I could only connect with the 40%
Technically, Dev, we're _all_ Canadian, because the very first of our ancestors to live on land, _Tiktaalik,_ lived in Canada.
The sun never sets on the Canadian Empire.
No it’s just that when everyone else started to evolve sentience everyone else left you guys in canada
Technically, if they walked over from Asia they probably walked through Alaska first. You're all citizens of the American empire. You're welcome.
@@sheeksquatch God Bless America.
@@zym6687 _Tiktaalik_ lived long before Pangea existed
If these people want to imply that they evolved separately from humanity and never crossed the Bering strait, wouldn't that mean they're a different species?
Only if they couldn't procreate with other humans, since that's the defining trait of a species.
Yes. The ones who are really deep into it do believe that. I worked with one guy who was toying with the idea that his nation were descendent from aliens.
I mean, there's already more than one species of humans on Earth so they wouldn't be wrong.
@@TRENCHESandTREADS If they can interbreed then clearly they aren't different species. Just the Metis ethnicity existing is evidence against this.
@@Good_Emperor Do you not know what a species is? A polar bear and a black bear are both species of bear, they are not the same, and both are capable of interbreeding. Like....seriously, maybe don't make an argument if you don't even understand the first important word in it?
Humanity, by definition, must be made up of multiple species of human, otherwise we wouldn't have the radical variation in groups that we do have. Feel free to educate yourself on what a species actually is, not the layman's understanding of it, then apologize for wasting my time.
To answer the British and Chinese quesiton.
Citizenship doesn't mean anything. If a foreigner/immigrants becomes a citizen and assimilates (aspirational method), that individual is not truly said group.
Reminds me of this Good Morning Britian* clip of a Russian dude (Triggernometry) talking about being British but not English and was an interesting discourse
Reason is because that individual grew up in a different nation and has a natural affinity to that culture and practice. However, the children or grandchildren would be a part of the group since they'll have a natural affinity to the culture and practice.
“Race” does not refer to “a skin color and facial features.” That’s science denialism. Race refers to identifiable genetic groupings of humans which are all relatively very closely related to one another. This is how various DNA testing services can tell you your ancestry without ever seeing your face or skin color. It affects everything from average body size and shape, organ function, prevalence of cancers and diseases, ability to digest different foods, behavioral and psychological characteristics, and literally everything else.
Look, I was born and raised in the United States. That makes me indigenous to the United States. Anyone who disagrees is incorrect and you can't convince me otherwise.
Born in Brasil. We are Caming for You.......
Came to Brasil
The Sami came here thousands of years after everyone else settled.They're essentially just squatters who were never oppressed. If anything how they act and larp as oppressed natives makes me wish they were oppressed.
Because they were actually oppressed
@@cariopuppetmaster They weren't lmao. They're just squatters that weren't kicked out.
@@Trichin That's not oppression and I don't give a shit about the Norwegian Sami. The Swedish Sami are such a miniscule minority that there would be no history written by them or anyone else if they had been kicked out. They've been treated like everyone else here and even granted special privileges for no real reason. Still they larp as oppressed natives while getting special privileges nobody else have. Fuck them.
@@foxtroika1698 if you force people to be sterilized or burn their religious items for no reason its persecution
@@Trichin It's not messed up at all. If someone tells others I did horrendous crimes to him when it obviously never happened I might feel inclined to dislike the person for obvious reasons.
Australian indigenous cannot continue in their traditional ways without staying as a stone age people. Which means high birth and infant mortality, no internet, Amish on steroids, and potentially stretching to death if climate change occurs.
The simple fact is that the indigenous people who fetishise camping are not able to continue to endure those bad things in a country with progressive politics because their old ways are not safe for the people in them. You can’t self determine, indigenous is hyper libertarianism, not progressive and that’s not going to be OK in the long term… Australian Aboriginal land has uranium. Communists can’t allow that stuff to go unused.
This won’t work.
Speaking from Germany, though its true that "Germany is for the Germans" especially in the era of nation states - for the longest time, Germans were very accommodating to any European willing to assimilate to German culture.
When your country used to be 500 micro-nations all clumped together into a semi-cohesive "empire" for a thousand years, it tends to foster that mindset.
Sami aren't even indigenous much like Indo-Europeans they came from the east. The only known indigenous Europeans that survive are the basques of spain.
This is your best video yet Dev. Thank you. I'm Icelandic and for more than a 1000 years we have been isolated on our island and kept to ourselves. We have endured IMMENSE hardships in the past and built a functioning civil society. But violence has been on the rise, we have shootings, we have gangs of people coming to beat just 2 guys at a bar, we have crime on the rise like we have never ever even known and most of it has to do with immigration, people who moved here, who have no historical, ethnic, linguistic or political ties to our nation, to our island and therefore don't give 2 cents about what they do here and how they behave.
We have fallen to the trend of "do what Europe does" and I am getting extremely paranoid. We are a very small nation and foreigners keep fucking increasing. They are not mixing with us, they are not having babies with us, they are mixing amongst themselves and building their own communities. We are being colonised yet most people don't want face the reality.
It would take very little effort to wipe us off the Earth and I fear we will become like other dead people that once existed, like the Old Prussians or Yotvingians or [Insert Dead Ethnicity]. I don't want us to stop existing, I don't want us to stop being unique....
If they would mix with you, the ethnicity would disapear eventually or be like a liger.
We ethnic native swedish people are technicly the same as norwegian, icelandic, denmark and other nordic people. These are fake refugees and invaders, so even those who want to "work" are invaders. they have to be removed and expelled and people have to organise groups against those who support said immigration. You are part of my people and vice versa regardless if one wants to or not. thats why they are not unstoppable, due to the fact you have to shock those who deny it. You have to show the hatecrimes what the done towards children. Oh yeah and slavery the middle eastern and africans did, and call them national socialists because they gonna try doing it to you. You have to form pressure groups, try ask for funding for political or media organisations, and then find those at the top and pressure them to stop em and leave the country. Our people will not go down, which I consider you and other icelandic people to be part of, both due to nordic and native european(and no sami arent native they werent first) so yes they can be stopped!
There are more Afghans than there are people in all of our Nordic countries combined...
Wtf why does Iceland have "refugees"?, seems like the 2013-2015 arab spring really brought people to all places in europe
We humans have to stick together
Greetings from Sweden Jonas. I know how you feel as my own country is going to shit. Just keep your spirit up.
I didn't get the knee-jerk reaction cuz I figure citizenship is the only important part in regards to labels like "Chinese" or "American." It's why Fauxcahontas wasn't a native despite her whole 1/512 genetic relation, as it's the citizenship of the native tribes that determines if one's apart of their tribe.
The UK is an interesting example, since it - by itself - is not a nation-state. The English, Scots, Welsh, and Irish are different ethnic groups, which technically makes the UK a multicultural country even before one factors in immigration.
This being said, these four ethnic groups are similar enough that they can be lumped together from the perspective of foreigners (with the possible exception of the Irish). All four groups are also indigenous, as the "roots" of these peoples are firmly established in the soil of the British Isles, and have been for a millennia or more. There are indigenous communities in other parts of the world who have been in those places for less time than the English have been in England, for example. The Maori are one such example, and the progs don't seem to have a problem with those.
This puts the UK in a bind when it comes to protecting its nationhood, though, since the UK is a patchwork of nations rather than a single nation. That makes it harder to object to immigration than it would be for more cohensive nations, such as the Polish or the Japanese.
This being said, the British have had enough of immigration, and had enough of the government which refuses to fix the problem despite having a strong majority in Parliament, as well as having immigration control as part of their manifesto. The problem with illegal immigration is a joke at the British taxpayer's expense, and it's only getting worse. Meanwhile, the establishment is so keen to be progressive that multiculturalism is championed, even as government bodies cease hiring native Brits, and foreign men sexually assault teenage girls. Riots are starting to happen because of this.
I don't much care about race. I'm a civic nationalist, through and through. However, I am opposed to multiculturalism. If you want to live in X country, you need to adopt - or at least conform to - X's culture. If you can't do that, leave.
You know, I am pleasantly surprised to see someone else who knows what a Civic Nationalist is.
White british are dying out
"These four ethnic groups are similar enough" How to get your ass beaten in four different countries with only one line.
Also you're quite correct about New Zealand, where the main Island was settled by UK settlers before Maori came to it.
i am also a civic nationalist. i am fine with immigrants coming to canada, i dont want them to ghettoize though. i want them to want to be canadian.
I've always wondered why the Sami were considered the ''natives'' of Scandinavia. It makes absolutely zero logical sense, and whenever I mention this amongst my fellow Scandis, the only reason they ever give me is ''Because... Because they just are, alright?!''. The ironic part is that I'm part Sami lmao.
English law has relied on judging individuals, not collectives as the means of law enforcement. Not every society has adopted that legal framework during its time of identity formation.
I think that a lot of what influences for someone to consider another “indigenous” comes down to exoticism, the less of the peoples there are the more indigenous they are, that might explain the difference between European indigenous not being considered and like the Native Americans or the aboriginals of Canada or Australia
I would kill to see a virgin land bridge crosser vs chad Seafarer
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Wouldn’t that suggest that native Americans wouldn’t be human on that logic? If they consider their origin to be completely seperate to the rest of the human race
You assume they use logic. Who TF cares what their silly folk tales are? Anthropologists, maybe, but they have no basis in reality.
"Whoops, I guess human rights don't apply to you now- golly gee, and here we thought we were equals"
@@TheKeksadler “now hang on, that’s not what we-“
“Noah, fetch the collar and prepare the cages, we found more work animals on the loose”
As someone who is half English and half Spanish, I think I can say that a lot of what is said here is true (about Europe, at least). I've lived in both Spain and in the UK (England to be specific) and in both cases I am definitely a partial outsider. I am obviously white, but when it comes to how I act, talk and generally behave on a cultural level, I am and always will be at least "vaguely foreign" to either side.
In Spain that meant that I disliked Spanish music, didn't like Spanish films or TV shows and didn't live in line with Spanish meal times (as well as the obvious English hint to my accent in Castellano, what most people call "Spanish"). And while I lived in Valencia, there was yet another layer of ethnic "fitting in" that I couldn't get right as Spain is divided into various provinces (like most European countries) that have their own cultural identity, myths, language or dialect and sense of cultural pride or solidarity.
In the UK, on the other hand, I fit in slightly better, due to me having spent more time here and generally conforming to the culture a little better, however there's still a barrier. I like different flavours to what is considered the "classic British" and many consider food I eat way too salty, I like the rain (due to being able to appreciate it better after living in a hot country) and I tend to speak impeccable and formal English, which some have pointed out makes me ironically sound foreign and there's even a slight foreign edge to my Latin-based pronunciation that makes people immediately recognise that either me or my family are not originally from here.
The idea that being "white" is it's own ethnic identity is so strange and weird to me, especially when in both Spain and the UK I've genuinely seen people discriminated based on what province of the same country they are from. Ultimately I actually like being different. I am able to pick and choose what parts of either cultures of my heritage I like best and embody the best I can be of either side. I'd be a shame if me being half-Spanish didn't make me at least a little more interesting in the UK and being half-English didn't make me at least a little more interesting in Spain haha
It was because the people of Britain would more than likely accept that immigrant as British, but the people of China would NEVER consider an immigrant to be Chinese.
Indigenous is when you live in a tent and drink alcohol.
So music festival-goers and a surprising number of scouts.
As an indigenous Celt from Kernow (Cornishman from Cornwall) my answer to your British/Chinese question was the same. Without even having to pause to think before I answered it. Also a bit peeved you didn't include our homeland in your British Isles map. 🙃 But I do wonder what will happen when the pendulum swings back the other way, as it most surely will, a swing even further in the other direction? 🤔 Once again Dev another enjoyable and thought provoking video. 👍
u get extremist. just like now.. the solution was always live n let live stfu n stop batching about it.
An excellent description of the appropriate attitude to take to immigration, both locally and across the pond
I’ve long argued for the ethnicity of Dixie since they meet the criteria and are constantly Other-ized historically and in present day.
The most beautiful thing I’ve ever seen, one that tugs my heartstrings and makes my chest swell with pride and increase my patriotism ten fold is a naturalization ceremony.
My only thought is ‘Welcome Home’.
Which is funny, because my reaction is "ooof, you poor suckers."
Exactly. It is welcoming someone who chose to leave their own civic nation behind and adopt ours. It required self-sacrifice and effort to get here, all to fully become a part of a different life.
@@CoryTheRaven Then you may leave (assuming you are American). America is for Americans, and Americans are those that through birth or choice live in American and follow its ideals, no matter what color or creed they are beforehand.
@@andrewlechner6343 // Then you may leave (assuming you are American). //
lol, the world doesn't revolve around you people 😆
// America is for Americans, and Americans are those that through birth //
Unless you tell them to leave, apparently.
// live in American and follow its ideals, no matter what color or creed they are beforehand. //
Sorry, is the USA a country or a religion?
Ethno-nationalism is not evil.
Given the amount of casual genocide talk I get from ethno-nationalists, I am not convinced.
Ethno-nationalism is often evil
But the alternative, _blend-everything-together-ism_ is also often evil
@Gomam0n Thanks for further confirming by bias.
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@@user-pr1dh2bw6k So you don't have an issue with casual genocide talk from ethno-nationalists like from Gomam0n?
All I can say is, I have ancestry from North, Central, and South America. But my two languages are both European. But at least I have a home. 🇺🇸
Europeans have a VERY different view on ethnicity than Americans and Canadians. It doesn't just settle into "english", "french", etc but can often be traced back further so people sometimes identify as "anglo saxons", "celts", "normans" etc. It's a much, much more granular view on ancestry than Americans have which makes it difficult to speak with yanks on the subject since the view that ethinicity=race is so common in the new world that many Americans can't wrap their head around any other idea.
With respect, I think that would apply to the entirety of the Americas, and not just the US/Canada. Latin America had a greater amount of mixing with the natives but I doubt they'd know the intricacies of European culture, either.
As an aside, we don't expect you guys to know about the cultural differences/friction between US regions/states or within a state, yet you guys seem to take such European trivia far more personally and with an unwarranted air of smugness. Y'all forget that the US is comparable in size to Europe, and that a Virginian is unlikely to know how Minnesotans and Wisconsinites view each other, for example, unless he has personal experience. In that sense, we might not have a granular view on ancestry exactly but we do for culture/cultural upbringing. Just ask a Michigander what they think about Ohio and you'll see what I mean.
Americans don't have the luxury to ponder the nuance the Eurocentric understanding of race and ethnicity. We're too busy in our centuries long duty fighting and funding wars for Europe. Fortunately, we still have bad education and lack of proper healthcare to keep us complacent.
How about the other way around? Literally in 99.99% I have talked to other Americans and even some Europeans about this, the whole "I'm Irish, Scottish, German, etc" stuff was understood to be about heritage, pride in the roots from where your family came from.
But to be perfectly frank, a lot Europeans like to completely disregard that pretty obvious clue-in and just rudely say "No, you're American, you're not and will never be (insert here)."
@@maxxor-overworldhero6730 It's because Ethnicity is not just blood and not just culture. It's both. It's about remaining a part of the unbroken link between your ancestral roots and where that group as come from. Americans who go "Oh I am part Scottish" have no claim to Scottish Ethnicity, they're of Scottish blood.
@@grimnir8872 You are splitting hairs.
The terms “indigenous” and “native” rub me the wrong was because in my experience those that use them have been holier than thou indigenous people are better and did nothing wrong.
I don’t think every country needs to be aspirational. I think specifically the U.S. and Canada being aspirational countries where saying you’re an American or Canadian just means you become a citizen and assimilate to the culture (maybe taking some good things from your place if origin and adding it to said culture) is one thing but being Chinese, Egyptian, English, or Polish is different. It all comes down to how the countries were founded and what the ideals are. America and Canada both were founded on ideals not on people while England is founded on the English. This isn’t to say that people can’t move to or were born in another place and move to say Japan assimilate to the culture and that be wrong but they aren’t Japanese.
Now if the British Empire was still a thing I’d change my mind in England not being aspirational since that empire included many nations, people’s and cultures.
IDK if i’m making any sense here but hopefully it makes some sense
Indigenous has become the new term for the Native ethnicity. Similar to First Nations, Native Americans, or Aboriginal. It's no longer connected with its original definition of the word. Which is why other ethnicities are not considered "Indigenous" but are still indigenous to their area or nation. This happened because of the similarity between Canadian Natives and other Native Ethnicities across the world. We don't have a common word for us all and our ethnic borders are fluid and hazy. Which makes it hard and why we have so many different names for the same people who are similar, but still different.
But the "natives" (dumb term) are not the same. The difference between the Haida of the West coast and some group in Ontario are vast, same as the differences between France and Poland. You don't need a word to "unify" these peoples because these peoples either don't exist anymore as a coherent group or if they do exist as a group just call them by their group name. In effect, we shouldn't call a Haidan (Haidin?) a "native" we should just call them a Haidin.
true. 100%
@@TRENCHESandTREADS You're partially right. We have different cultures and ethnicities within our group. But so do Asians, and yet we still have the term "Asians" for that general group of people despite their differences. We do not have that same generalized word for us. Which is why we have so many terms like Indigenous, Native, or Aboriginal. Europeans have a generalized term, Asians do, but not us. We have a vague similarity in Ethnicity, culture, and lifestyle, but don't have a generalized term for us. You should call a Haidin a Haidin, but calling them a native, Indigenous or any of our other terms wouldn't be wrong either.
They should just give America (the continent) to me and only me
I can trace my bloodline as far back as the mayflower.
I have ancestors that I know for a fact fought in the revolutionary war, the Civil War, WW1, I personally knew at least on great grandparent that served during WW2. And my One of my grandfathers served in Korea if I’m not mistaken.
My family has lived in north America for no less then almost 300 years.
If I am not “Native”. Then that word has ceased to have any meaning at all.
I can trace my Mom's family back to both High King Dubthach of Ireland, of Clan Comyn of Scotland, and many members far and in-between. There's heavily suspicion that we might have a Hessian who deserted to live in America in the family. The creator of the Boy Scouts of Great Britain is quite literally some sort of cousin to me on my Mom's side, and his mother swore until the day she died that she was directly descended from John Smith (via a sibling of his).
Both of my Great Great Uncles from either side of the family fought in WWII. Uncle Buddy was Senaca Tribe, Iroquois Nation; he survived Pearl Harbor, survived the war, became the much beloved mayor of the town he grew up in, and there's literally a statue of him in the town center. My other Great Great Uncle was Leonard A. Funk Jr., who is known as the "Laughing Paratrooper"; one of (and often contested as solely) the most decorated officers of the war.
And all in all, I'm American through and through.
You are like tiny baby. I can trace both my mother and father's sides of the family in the exact same area of the country as where I live back to the Doomsday book in the UK which was written in 1086. My family has had elements in the same area of land for almost a thousand years of recorded history.
Because white people are by definition are of European origin
West Bank & Gaza are an odd example, given they are literal ethnostates and two of the fastest growing populations in the world.
The west bank is very diverse it has Arabs Jews Armenians and more but the and the Gaza strip has 100 Greeks in it it's also funny that Israel is more diverse then most European countries
@@alonnehring402 By Arab Jews, do you mean Samaritans? There are no Jews in the West Bank, and no "Arab Jews" anywhere...
I would love to see a western progressive find out that they agree with Hindu Nationalists in India who say that India's indigenous culture is Hindu (they include Buddhists/Sikhs/Jain) and don't see the Islamic rule over India as any different from British rule.
For some groups I think a redetermination of the definition of “native” is necessary. Some lands have been cycling through ethnic groups since prehistory, and often times the first inhabitants of a region are part of some archaeological culture which left minimal genetic trace, and no cultural legacy behind. These people, by definition, are the natives, but we can’t take their rights into account, since they died out milennia ago.
Actually Otaku's got the American concepts of Race and Ethnicity completely mixed up with the European one.
Race is strictly defined in the American mindset as only biologically based, "the biological category of human beings defined by a group of people that share a particular small founding stock of common genetic ancestors from a specific geographic region of the world, typically a particular continent. The six major racial groups perceived in the world are Caucasian/Caucasoid (European, Middle East, North Africa, Central Asia, and India), African/Negroid (Sub-Saharan Africans), Aboriginal Australians, Asiatic/Mongoloid (East Asia, Southeast Asia), Polynesian/Micronesian/Melanesian/Pacific Islanders, and Native Americans (the latter two categories are often combined into the Asiatic/Mongoloid category because they share so many genetic and physical traits).
Ethnicity to Americans is a multifaceted concept that refers to finer grades of differation between different groups of people that may be a branch of the larger overall racial variety, but distinguish themselves and their ethnic group from others based on their own ethnic group sharing closer biological familial relations, language, culture, dress, customs, cuisine, official religious membership/folk religious practices/beliefs, common political/social philosophical beliefs/ideologies, et cetera.
Europeans (such as infamously Uncle Adolf) tend to use the word Race the way Americans use the word Ethnicity, as Adolf called Jews a Race (and was in turn called a Racist) in his native German and never referred to Ashkenazi Jews as a distinct Semitic-Germanic ethnic group.
Thank you for explaining something that was always in the back of my mind.
As a Brazilian, that immigranted to canada, I never saw myself as an invader on this land, same when my wife contemplated the thought of moving to New Zeland.
But when my family said, "Why not Portugal?" I saw myself as an invader, even with the cultures and languages being quite similar.
Because Portugal sucks and no one wants to move there anyways unless they are using it as a steppng stone to other parts of Europe.
@@cariopuppetmaster geez that was brutal, but I will not say you are wrong though.
@Entediado25 I feel sorry for people so desperate they have to find opportunities for work in Portugal of all places.
@dogeking I never even considered moving to Portugal, but when my family brought up the idea, it felt wrong at first, then I followed up with a hard ass nope haha.
This video just brought to light the reason why I had that feeling.
As long as you have Portuguese blood it's ok
"direction brain" im going to use that at some point
Call me an extremist on this point if you like but the Palestinians are not in any way Indigenous to the land of Israel, The Jewish People are indigenous to that land, All the History, Culture and Religion Originated and is tied to that land.
I consider the idea of an Arab Palestinian people to be a purely Political Construct that was made in response to the Recognition of the State of Israel by the UN.
It was done for the same reason that Every nearby Arab State declared war on Israel and tried to wipe it off the map, Because the existence of a Jewish State is utterly intolerable and unacceptable Theologically by a Majority of Muslims.
This issue could easily be solved by having the so-called Palestinians either accepting citizenship and being absorbed into Israel or leaving to live in an Arab Muslim country like Egypt, Jordan or Lebanon.
I also believe that it is proof of fundamental antisemitism that it is always Israel that has to compromise on territorial claims while the Arab Palestinians claims to the land are just take as a given.
I would say I’m a Centrist overall, But this is one issue that I tend to fall on the Hard Right on.
@@johannesstephanusroos4969 You don't have to support Israel or Jews with money or guns.
Just hanging on the historical facts and logic is all you.
Remember that.
The Lenape and Susquehannock tribes that inhabited my corner of United States of America did not spring out from the ground. They either conquered it from another tribe, or they conquered it from nature. As a descendant of European pilgrims, colonists, and immigrants. I consider myself Indiginous to the United States of America. We conquered the land. It is ours.
You bought the land if you live in that part of the US
If you consider your self indigenious to America then you are not white
im sorry dev, i didnt understand this on my first watch. gonna need to watch this a few more times to properly grasp this issue. thanks for the content as always!
This isn't directly relevant to the point of the video, but question: if indigenous literally means "native", which literally means "born", then am I not native to North America? The opposite of both concepts is being a migrant, but my family has been here for generations. My ancestors are from many different places, including here. If I were forced to return to where I came from, you'd have to cut me into pieces and mail me to multiple continents.
My family and I are from nowhere else, so how am I not indigenous to where I was born?
A lot of these people don’t understand civilization. Playing a little bit of Rome 2 quickly dispels that. It’s literally how early civilization works. Even the Native Americans were doing the same exact thing as the Europeans were. What I find to be the real issue here is the collectivism surrounding it. Racism is collectivism of the lowest common denominator. You should listen to Ayn Rand on her thoughts about Racism. You don’t have to agree with her world view to see the dangerous implications of Ethno Nationalism being held over Civil Nationalism.