Why Does The Purity Spiral Come For Everyone?
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#ContraPoints #PuritySpiral #CancelCulture
'its in the render queue"
Aaaaah my spoony ptsd
I have been a centrist minded person ever since I got out of highschool, however I have only EVER been attacked by the left for speaking my mind Otaku.
The right doesn't care about personal opinions or censorship. The left does. You say "oh the right attacks people on the center too"'- when?
When has the right attacked centrists for being themselves? "You mean the right wing extremists right?"
Because liberty and classical libertarianism is key fundamental western values. Something again the left today does not share. All I hear is grifting and fence sitting 1:35.
Our progress to hell is paved with tons of good intentions, good hearts, but stupid minds.
When you realize what the word 'conservatism' is actually supposed to mean, make a new video and I'll comment on that one too.
@@ugandanknuckles3900 i know some gay ppl that got some harsh treatment just for being gay by their conservative family, so yeah the right does do it, less tho, but they still do.
@@thejoyfullad970 Okay I grant your position is valid however very specific.
I believe that Conservatives and "the right" does not fully constitute religious values. However they do uphold a certain strictness on behavior. You can be gay and conservative. Just don't flaunt it- or make it your identity.
Way too often these children get caught up exactly in what these people fear- would happen to their children. It's a slippery slope, and honestly I used to believe the slippery slope was just a fallacy. Here we are however....
I put it up to a percentage of self proclaimed right wingers to also be the types to demean and dehumanize homosexuality.
Most of what you hear on the web is in comedic taste however close to home for some people's moral beliefs.
I however believe in the public space, that being gay- and being flaming are what separates the accepted from the unacceptable. There should be no "pride" in anything. Whether gender/race/ or sexual preference. It's obscene and virtually pointless advocacy for the sake of faceless agendas and corporate PR backing.
@@ugandanknuckles3900 in the past, the right was pretty bad on a lot of fronts, so it's not too unbelievable that they'd have done this purity spiral nonsense. I know for a fact that this happened during McCarthyism, but I'd say you have a point for what's going on right now.
Right now, the left is the purity spiraling principle less faction of evil, and the right is comparatively virtuous. But even then, there's probably some examples of people on the right acting like this, but they're the minority
@@ugandanknuckles3900 There's a difference you know?
Conservatives want to conserve liberal values.
Christian conservatives want to conserve biblical values. They aren't the same thing, and the people least aware of the difference are usually Christian conservatives.
Contrapoints: "Post modernist deconstruction is a right wing conspiracy"
Also Contrapoints: "Man, I wish words actually meant things."
well to be fair, "post-modernism" seems to hardly be more than a Peterson-esque scare word devoid of any practical meaning
@@SaturnineXTS - Post-modernism is nothing more than the rejection of both modernist and classical aesthetics. In terms of architecture, a modernist would create an ugly building without ornamentation, that is built to do a very specific job. A classicist would want their office building to look like a Gothic Cathedral, and call upon the deep and rich heritage of their ancestors to breathe life into what is effectively an office building. A post-modernist would reject both of those, and instead create a skyscraper that looks like an abstract shape, which makes the office plan very awkward. A post-modernist doesn't call on tradition and ornamentation, but they also reject the functionalist approach of a modernist worldview.
@@SaturnineXTS ua-cam.com/video/7ql43EjzOc4/v-deo.html
@@cerebraldreams4738 It's also a philosophical framework exceedingly toxic to both philosophy and scientific inquiry.
You mean conTRAPoints xdddd
The infinite game scenario is what makes Socialism so appealing to idealists and those who never grow up.
You are _ALWAYS_ the hero of the struggle. The underdog fighting an enemy that most can't even recognize, gifted with the secret knowledge of how to save the world against a powerful enemy who has fooled everyone else. When socialism fails or leads to horrible results it's because the enemy corrupted it, but YOU know the true path that will lead to a paradise where all will benefit and recognize you as their savior.
The struggle is so important that some may need to be sacrificed for the greater good (they unwittingly serve the enemy after all), and it takes a pure and righteous soul to make such a decision and it is not taken lightly.
Every socialist is basically "The One" in the Matrix.
[Is it any wonder, then why they eventually turn on each other? If they start to disagree, then they have been infected by the enemy and must be purged. Only The One can know the truth]
This also shows why so many “intellectuals” fall for it, it feeds their ego and sense of superiority they have over being slightly smarter than the average person
So, religion for disillusioned atheists
This is why it doesn’t work on actual adults, we work for a living and know we have to earn it. They get children that are dependent on others and make them continue to be dependent on others as they grow up by filling their heads with this nonsense…
Lol, so they are all Griffith. Great.
@Der Rikmeister I have to say, thank you. This is probably the best definition of socialism I have ever come across. It sums them up perfectly.
"right wing talking points" are verboten, meaning entire topics cannot even be considered under left wing thought without some heavy lens wearing. If you want to kill your movement, implicitly banning entire topics for discussion is a good start
When I hear "that's Xs talking point" as a detractor I just see that they are intellectually dishonest and are in a cult
Or tearing down the past
Apparently that's what Sargon's circlejerk is currently advocating for, I can't believe nobody is talking about it.
@@insensitive919 banning right wing talking points?
@@insensitive919 Actually what?
“I can’t believe I’m getting canceled, I’m not one of those bigots!”
“But you help fostered this environment where everyone is viewed through such a negative lens that anything you say can be considered offensive even if you are trying to have a legit conversation. This is partly your fault, so can you really complain?”
“You’re one of those bigots I was talking about.”
Well apparently Otaku believes that people on the right do this too. LOL
All I saw the right ever doing was fostering individuality be it- at the behest of those in power making money off of their own ill gotten gains.
I don't agree with the political side of the right on all cases, but their defense of liberty and self actualization speaks volumes to the left's illness.
@@ugandanknuckles3900 I agree and while I don't know if there were actual cases of that on the Right, I seen many cases of that exact situation on the Left
@@protostnl6369 Exactly. I'm tired of these grifters. @ShortFatOtaku needs to grow a pair and realize what is GOOD vs what is RIGHT. It's good to be a good person, but it's right- to do the right thing.
The left doesn't believe this. All they believe- is for the better good of all- even when it's OBVIOUSLY not so. They're COLLECTIVISTS. They don't care about "you" the individual. You will bow to "them" and "their beliefs". Because that's where we are at man...JFC. lol
@@ugandanknuckles3900 hear hear...
Dev makes some good points, but the endless wana be centrist stance makes him say wierd things a lot...
It's the: Ask a normal person if they like ketchup or mayo thing, a normal person wil say ketchup or mayo and maybe why they like it, ask a person that views themself as a "centrist" and they wil say ketchup but then explain why mayo is also good, and then have to talk about mustard, and ofcourse they can't ignore salsa, but never meant to exclude the good of garlicsause...
It's a bit sad if you ask me, being so stuck in wanting to be in the "centre" that you have to twist and turn even when it makes no sense, ergo: Say something bad about the left, but i MUST say the same about the right even if the right does it maybe 0.05% of the time...
@@ugandanknuckles3900 Every collectivist does this, regardless of if they're on the left or the right, it's just the nature of collectivism so that they all eventually look kind of the same more or less. The specific details of who they hate and will be willing to genocide changes, but the nature of their hatred and genocidal tendencies will always remain. There are definitely some of those on the right who are also collectivists, who have the same behaviours as the left, and I've known a few of them. Once they get into the mindset of viewing people only as collective groups, there's not really much reasoning left to be had with them, and they'll divorce themselves from anything remotely related to logic or evidence. Some I've known have gone fully with everything comes from god, others have gone full white-supremacist, others still have decided that anything to do with logic is something only 'libtards' do. So... yeah, some people on the right do, in fact, do this as well, where they'll cancel someone using the same techniques the progressives do, even against their own people in their own purity spiral, because it's the nature of collectivism to its very core.
Individualists on the left and right? They have no problems getting along. They may disagree on specific details about how best to handle certain problems, but they don't do any of this because it doesn't work within the framework to do it.
That whole situation where Lindsay Ellis refused to acknowledge that cancel culture was real even as her own audience campaigned to destroy her is a big problem the Left has in general. It reminds me of the story of the communist president of Afghanistan, Hafizullah Amin, who refused to accept that the Soviet Union was coming to kill him even as Spetsnaz soldiers attacked his palace.
Lindsey would have to acknowledge that cancel culture came from her too. Her videos, arguments and talking points all helped it too. However that would be taking personal responsibility, reflection and then admitting you are wrong which Lindsey will never do.
Oh yeah I heard that he was something on the lines of "Call the Soviets and tell them we're being attacked!" and his guards were like "Who do you think is attacking us now?"
Why where they attacking him if he was a commie too?
@@Wakanda4bigmama Commies gonna Commie. "You're with us? Ha ha, funny joke, now face the wall please."
@@Wakanda4bigmama If I remember correctly it was because they were hoping that by backing him it would be easier to put Afghanistan under their sphere of influence or outright conquer it. But that didn't happen so they got rid of him which ended up making the situation even worse.
Watching Contrapoints, Ellis, and Vaush get cannibalized by the culture they nurtured and defended and try to pretend doesn't exist because politics is the most hilarious entertainment.
"When they see what the wonderful society of equality looks like obviously they will revolt. They will join the league of dissenters"
- *Yuri.A Bezmenov*
@hasslfoot being trans IS an ideological standpoint, whether they wanted it or not is irrelevant to the progs, because that is how it ended up.
@hasslfoot
Of course contrapoints participated.
Hell, her video "decoding the alt-right" is a clear the precursor for her purity spiral. Suddenly everybody could be a white nationalist, specially the people who denied it. It´s full of the same type of paranoia she complains on her later videos, which, btw would "decode" her as an "alt-righter".
@hasslfoot
Except we are not talking about tools, not a simple good/evil dichotomy. We are talking about the results of a specific attitude, which may have been developed by her more exclusionary tendencies. Like the saying goes "a texan with a hammer sees everything as a nail" and it reflects on how that supposed "tool" was used.
She simply did include many acusations which paint many people who simply do not fall in such a dichotomy in the camp of the "alt-right" to the point on advocating on pretty extreme far left positions like assaulting those suspected of being nazis, for relative innocous behavior like sharing memes common in places like 4chan.
She took the lack of regulation of ideas to mean the embrace of her opossitions ideas. She considered sharing pepe the frog memes to be a tell tale sing of white supremacy, unaware that such language and behavior is not exclusive to white supremacist. It´s the equivalent of suspecting someone of being a Nazi for advocating for veganims "Just like hittler".
And then the very same mob that validated her arguments turned against her the moment she expressed anything but faith in "the cause". That´s the toll of radicalization.
@@TangarisuI took this as two ways
Transgender is a Ideology (Its not)
Or (the Left) use Trans as an Ideology (they do)
Dude, why is Vaush always so quick to tell his mods to just blanket ban people disagreeing with him? He just asserts that they have no point. I'm sure that plenty of them don't, but when you don't even attempt to hear them out and you just blanket ban them for speaking up, I don't think they'll sit there and think "Oh jee, I guess I was wrong, I'll listen to this guy".
I don't get it, man. Every time I see these people, it just comes across like they hate their audience. You cultivate this shit with your behaviour. You can't control who likes your show, but if you act like an ass all day, then the only people who are going to stay are people who get along with people who act like an ass all day.
Of all the people who've come for my head, it's never been someone from my own audience. It's probably because I don't treat them like trash, and I don't just blindly agree with whatever political takes they have for brownie points. I just say my honest opinions and people seem to be cool with it.
yeah man, same. it's the difference between a totalizing worldview and a worldview where you are allowed to have a private life - which is the topic of the next video, heh!
@@ShortFatOtaku lol you permabanned some poor guy from gameboomers for very little, with little consideration on his part. you idiot hypocrite
Because he's a commie
because if you think it's okay for a child to be around overtly peverse sexual material and adults, you literally do not have an argument. ETC ETC. Most of the counter arguments for "traditional" values are "yeah but god is dumb and the world is round, maybe we arejust evolving to be horrible pedo sexual deviants"
@@dunno5329 Do you have single fact to back that up?
Styx said it the best. “They’re in an ever shrinking social circle and if they accidentally step outside of it they get their toes cut off.”
The ultimate battle royale!
See: The history of Robespierre!
Styx really is a poet
Yeah but the funny thing about the circle? They can step out of it without getting their toes cut at all. They choose to be in there.
I feel no sympathy for Lindsay Eillies, if she doesn’t want to admit she’s on fire while she’s burning.
A woman who built her entire brand on shaming others is now worried about getting shamed herself. Get wrecked, Lindsay.
I hate to invoke a witch burning trope, but... if you build your own pyre, and hope it's big enough to get your enemies as it burns you, you can't complain about the heat, however eloquent you might do so.
Build a website on shaming/ vilifying other is now having to fear for Your life of being in different… is poetic justice.
@@Ahabite I realize I'm being a bit grammar German saying this, but she can complain. She did complain. The question is whether she should or not. I think she should, technically. But it's startlingly hypocritical for her to do so without first apologizing for her previous misbehavior.
You know what really puts her through that second bottle of wine? At the end of the day she knows that the conservatives were right.
"The master's tools will never dismantle the master's house" Why the hell not? Is it not possible for something to be inherently self destructive? What happened to "live by the sword, die by the sword"?
That’s the dumbest fucking statement I’ve ever heard. Who the hell made it and how did they not see the obvious gap in its logic?
@@karlgoodman9194 Which statement?
It's a horrible analogy on many levels, I mean there have been plenty of slave rebellions through all of history, and they almost always used weapons created by the masters, and these rebellions often involved destruction of property: it was literally slaves using the master's tools to dismantle the master's house. Calling things like reason "tools of whiteness" is stupid and inaccurate, but even if it was totally accurate it still doesn't make sense, why choose an analogy for an issue when even the situation in the analogy is obviously wrong?
@@michaelmichaelson2014 it is an inherently anti-realist dogma anyways; it's immune to reason because it's specifically designed and utilized only in combat thereof
@@musicninja98 The quote. Did that person never hear of thievery? Is a man’s own chainsaw incapable of being picked up by a vandal and used to cut his home to ribbons?
To Vaush, Lindsay and all of these other breadtubers, I quote JonTron:
“Hey! This is _your_ fantasy! Don’t go around blaming the world because of your lack of subthought!”
shit what video is that quote from
@@ShortFatOtaku Goosebumps Pt. 1
Joke's on you, I'm watching this in 2024.
"I don't actually think he's a pedo" hoho, that one aged like milk
5:17 can someone tell me, when exactly did pride go from ‘representation for the LGBT community’, to ‘a legal excuse for public indecency, downright nudity, kinks and other such sexual things in front of children’. When you do that shit in public, it doesn’t bring good attention to your communities, it makes you look weird and perverted.
All movements have a tendency of refusing to stop and end walking off a cliff.
It did so when they gained the moral high ground and the ‘worship of the self’ became the highest moral value in society so that anyone who criticized their actions could not do so without criticizing the narcissistic core of post modern society.
When you become the mainstream you get lots of morons, it happens everywhere.
It's why the biggest fandoms are the stupidest.
"Those who preach tolerance end up becoming the most intolerant"
- *The-Redacted Computer*
Remember when gays were trying to be seen as just people who wanted to be treated like everyone else? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
I felt bad for Lindsey Ellis when I watched her video, but when she tiptoed around the concept of cancel culture in order to avoid levying criticism towards her own side, I lost some respect for her. If you're not calling out the bullshit happening in your own house cause you don't want to give 'an inch' to the opposing side, you're concealing the truth, and you're a coward.
I feel like she should’ve just ignored the spergs altogether and she would’ve never had to have made any apologies. Because anyone with a brain could see nothing she said was racist in the slightest.
@@Eirik_Bloodaxe Agreed, apologizing to the cancel culture crowd never does you any favors as it's never enough no matter how much you self-flagellate
If you’re talking about the clip in this video, she IS calling out cancel culture isn’t she? The thing she says can’t be named isn’t CC, it’s a fear of CC. She even says that if they name it it will be used against them “like (with) cancel”. And not naming something doesn’t mean you’re not talking about it.
@@VeritableSmorgasbord oh no, I was talking about her own video, where she goes through her cancellation. I'd say it's a pretty interesting watch, but I walked away from it with the sentiment from my original post.
"When you join a group of cannibals, eventually it's your ass on the plate"
good quote
Takes eating ass to a new level
What's so funny about Contra, Lindsey, Vaush, and other Breadtubers bitching about their audience attacking them is that ultimately they help make them.
They help create their rabid monsters of an audience, and now they're being eaten alive by their fanbase and best of all, they can't admit it's their fault.
one human is smart.
many humans are stupid
@cpong that's just cause she had the scene emo girl look, now tho she's burned all her bridges so it's finally going downhill for her
Destiny created these monsters. He created Vaush lol
@@thedarkcorrupter oh shit did something happen recently? Is she getting burned more?
@cpong she did what happened?
10/10 thumbnail.
The white figure could be JK Rowling. 🤫
What’s up Carl and Adam
Your 'Hate' video today was epic
Finite games require finite solutions
Oh hi
Reversing the races on that "Making white people so poor they have to either leave or starve to death in the streets on mass isn't genocide" argument was a surprisingly based take for Vaush
Agreed, I'd have love to have heard the response. Also way to go, dumb ass (the woman Vaush was debating) you're driving out the people who run your society and keep it functioning through racial terror.
@Bob Builder oh yeah haha i remember that sh*t lol
@Bob Builder this is collectivism in a nut shell. Socialists hate the worker they pretend to fight for, and when the farmer or worker is shifting right, to protect their property, their home, their crops and are not willing to share their labor with the collectivist, the collectivist turns against the laborer. Because there is no free lunch, and if collectivists want to eat, they would rather take it from someone than make it themselves.
@@alext.1244 Zimbware is what your thinking of.
@@nathanielhill5887 Formerly known as Rhodesia.
Lindsay and Contra are deathly scared of their bloodthirsty audience. It's weirdly amusing seeing them nervously trying to talk sense to them over silly points that no one with a life would care about. Like the Raya thing lol.
I’m in agreement with PSA Sitch. I’m so glad that these people are miserable and live in constant fear of their own crowd. You made the bed, you lie in it.
The Obama _"then perish"_ meme comes to mind.
I almost feel sorry for them. Living in a constant state of paranoia and anxiety can't be good for them. I'm sure that is an added reason so many insane people are on the left. They cracked under the stress. If they hadn't been such shitty people before it happened though I might be more considerate.
@@urahara64360 I legit feel sorry got Lindsay. She isn't that bready. She's basically just an ordinary lefty. Never deserved what she got.
@@mookosh hell I remember back when she was still calling herself the nostalgia Chick and was not nearly as political before becoming the lefty she is now. I saw the gradual change and I don't feel sorry for the choices she made that led her here.
Lindsay Ellis talking about "not giving an inch to the enemy" while being cancelled by her own audience. Maybe "the enemy" is the people on your side of the trench shooting at you, Lindsay?
Lindsay (after becoming self aware) - Hans, are we the baddie?
Hans - Jawohl, mein Herr. Ve vill destroy you for not being pure enough.
@@Ashigeru47 more like „Jawohl und deshalb... stirbst du“
My friend once put it best: Morality is really very simple. It's only made complicated by assholes trying to sneak in exceptions for themselves.
These people are said assholes and they're now finding out the hard way that said exceptions have their price, just like everything in life does.
Yeah. The absence of morality is a “philosophy” evil people use to explain away their wrongs. I’m not one for rigidity, and god fuck no, religion. But people who ditch basic principles and instead fall back on “we need to win”-ism are fundamentally horrible people.
@@yarlodek5842 If you're just this moral chameleon who will take on whatever fake principles you think will make you popular on a given day, then I ask: What exactly are you winning?
@@terradraca Not sure. Ask everybody’s favorite morally devoid idiot, vaush.
@@yarlodek5842 He's a fool to think he stands to gain ANYTHING from the ideology he espouses.
He just preaches it because he has nothing else going on in his life. I guarantee, if he actually "won", he'd be completely at a loss of what to do next...at least until his property got appropriated by the state.
@@terradraca He spouts it for money, nothing more.
As people used to say during GamerGate.
"You don't join GamerGate, you get thrown in the pit with the rest of us."
It's pretty comfy down here though😊
@@rasmusbjerrum3974 we got free wifi and smash XD
@@rasmusbjerrum3974 Speak for yourself. I didn't exactly sit too comfortably once Milo and Matt Forney were wanting to clank beers with us.
@@MarquisLeary34 true but in every cause there are sadly going to be people who inject themselves into it with different agendas
@@rasmusbjerrum3974 Anything that furthered THEIR agenda though, I could do without. I could advocate against SJW pandering and better games journalism without carrying water for people like them.
The video can be summarized as "Because perfection is boring."
The scienctist from bleach was correct.
Oh yes, the great mind of Captain Mayuri Kurotsuchi.
That speech is iconic. Then again, Bleach is really good at philosophical speeches, so even the creepy scientist gets one.
Would no true Scotsman fallacy also Fitness?
That's...
PRETTY SCARY
O_O
Ah a man of culture and a man of tenacity, evidence of powering through the filler arc.
The RvB comic seems more like it's poking fun at how after attacking someone by placing them on the other side against their will (sort of like calling someone a alt right) they can't seem to recognize that their target wasn't actually siding with them in the first place but then asks why they would side with them instead.
Case and point of that comic might be tue tragic tale of gypsy crusader
Pog
They don't have to push someone to the right, they can simply move the line of what is acceptable to them closer to the left.
@Bob Builder Truth. On reddit (stopped using it since) I made a comment about how controlled immigration would be great for the economy and helping get more people in skilled jobs with corona pushing so many out of work.
Immediately jumped on by lefties with "Why controlled? You want to limit the number of non-whites, huh?" "Are you implying you'd turn away people with low skills, when it's americas fault they don't in the first place?" "Good for a capitalist economy? That's NOT a good thing."
Like, holy shit. Controlled immigration is about as neutral as I can think of, it's not open borders left, it's not a solid wall right, but because I wasn't suggesting the left alternative, they were acting like I suggested to simply shoot immigrants on arrival.
I feel SFO might be missing that while the push from the left might not physically move someone further right, it makes them feel like their opinions are further right, making them more likely to vote that way even if they're actually more neutral. Eg, getting called a right-wing racist for wanting controlled immigration won't turn me into a republican protestor, but it will make me think "I guess controlled immigration is a republican thing" and be more likely to vote that way. It's like placebo. You're not actually that far right-wing, but you're constantly told your opinions are that of the right wing, and therefore will identify with them more than the other side who are actively pushing you away.
Robert Conquests 3 laws of politics
1. Everyone is conservative about what he knows best.
2. Any organization not explicitly right-wing sooner or later becomes left-wing.
3. The simplest way to explain the behavior of any bureaucratic organization is to assume that it is controlled by a cabal of its enemies.
It's simple, really. In most cases, the left is interested in giving more power to the state.
The state's growth is it's own priority.
Therefore, it is beneficial to the state to be left leaning.
There is no point in purity tests, no human in the world is perfect and someone is bound to make a mistake eventually.
I agree with Dev that the only winning move is to not to play... and definitely do not apologize/bow to the mob.
Like Vaush was saying reasonable shit there. Vaush, of all people, was making sense in this video. The problem of cultivating an audience of sheep is that the pack gets larger than the shepherd.
Yeah, this is one of the approaches to life I've also taken. It's all just a useless game, best to just do other stuff like make art, music, do work, games etc.
All this political stuff is bs and useless.
Inability to achieve perfection doesnt mean giving up on all standards.
Abolishing all standards will only result in social chaos. Some purity standards are necessary to maintain social order.
However, purity tests must be balanced with tests of other virtue.
Hmm? Thinking this fat newfie leaf won't play the game because 1) Leaf and 2) that fence post is 3 feet rectally deep now.
The point of them is to show your allegiance and devotion to a particular ideological tribe.
Every stable culture has fences which create standards: important to prevent purity spirals.
What woild be the "fences" ?
@@dagon99 Healthy societies have a rich culture and traditions. These give barriers against changing so fast that the society falls apart, but, still gives plenty of maneuvering room to allow for freedom.
@@dagon99 A majorly straight population?
@@jamestoney6599 straight -> traditional values -> traditional virtues etc?
Then yeah, rich culture (traditional values based on the culture) do act as stop gaps or pillars blocking agaisnt decadencey.
@@dagon99 honestly, just any set of actual standards. That's the whole point of standards... They're standard.
For example, the concept of human rights. If we agree that freedom of conscience, religion, thought, belief, opinion, expression, association, and peaceful assembly are human rights, that creates a buffer against puritanism. That's why leftists attack them and try to whittle them down to "free speech just applies to the government censoring you when talking about the government, not our angry harassment mob trying to silence you with oligarchical corporate power!" Likewise with democratic rights, legal rights, and scientific objectivity. The point is to create some kind of standard.
The Religion of Wokeness is starting ti learn what Christianity has learned, or rather what it was founded on, over 2000 years ago.
Everyone is sinful. Nobody can remain pure by his own power, there needs to be forgiveness and a chance to be absolved of your wrong doings. But there is no concept of forgiving people in this religion.
Well if they're going to reject what was the basis of Western culture for the past 2000 years, it means they are gonna have to start over on a BC level of thought in an AD world. That is what we are seeing right now, lol.
“You can’t get mad at me for pushing you!”
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🐍 no step on Snek! 🇺🇸🇭🇰
Praise the Gadsden!!!!
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"If it has a name, then it has power, so it is a discussion that cannot be had."
Yes, because the people who point out that you are oppressed are the ones with "power" rather than the ones trying to dictate what you can and can't say.
I like how she says “the marginalized are held to the highest purity standard”. Like lol, no they aren’t. They get away with everything.
Remember how refusing to admit Voldemort existed resulted in no one dying?
@@Laneous14 yeah and everyone lived happily ever after and got laid every day.
They have to eat their own because they've weeded everyone else out and as the list of acceptable traits keeps dwindling, the list of people accepted in the group dwindles.
Their made up enemy's no longer satisfy their blood lust
cant like cuz funny number
@@bobmcevil6374 not anymore.
"This Marxist gets eliminated by a Marxist more Marxist than than them"
- *Yuri-A.Bezmenov*
ok what's wrong with getting rid of the low iq
I strongly suggest reading into Maximillian Robespierre and his role in the French Revolution.
The French Revolution in general should be a standard warning, like an allusion or proverb, for any kind of purity spiral.
Eventually the revolution eats its own.
Ah, the original cancel culture. Only you lose your head along with your job and good standing.
I've had far leftitsts unironically claim the Reign of Terror as a good thing, a show of force against suspect bourgeoise as an example for revolution nowadays. It's truly terrifying how much humanity people lose in favor of ideology. Like sure, the Monarchs the Revolution disposed of were bad, but in its place came something worse.
Dear diary: Today ugandan knuckles recommended me historical literature, clown decade has just begun and I want it to be over alredy
Also interesting: Talleyrand. Fascinating how some people ride the storm.
Wasn’t there a secular cult of reason during the French Revolution
any time Vaush says something I agree with, I feel really weird
It feels weird because it feels genuine, like he’s broken away from the facade for a minute.
Same with Contrapoints, same with Lindsay Ellis.
If it makes you feel any better, I think it physcally sickens and horrifies *them* to come to the conclusion that they are saying things that agree with the philosophies of those they are against, hence why they can't "name the beast".
His human side is trying to emerge from the enormous rolls of fat keeping it locked away.
They don’t want trivial absurdities impeding their promotion of greater evils
@@justjoking5841 He has a human side?
“Mom! Contrapoints is doing right-wing talking points again!” Sounds more like a self-parody than a call to arms.
I fear my mpreg audience everyday.
I think it’s time to reevaluate what you do with your life.
can we just appreciate how the breadtubers who want to create global unification of the proletariat that includes all workers will just ban half their chat on a dime and not feel like there's any sort of contradiction there. "we'll unite all the workers in a stateless classless society... That guy just insulted my hair ban his ass I don't want him in this inclusive chat."
Learn the lingo dude, "inclusive" means you only allow people who agree with you, because only people who agree with you can be inclusive
Referring to the comic, I see people on both sides shitting on centrists.
But only one side, as I've seen so far, is willing to utterly destroy your life.
Exactly. Cancel culture is a tactic predominantly used by the Left. Of course the Right has pulled some cancel culture stuff here and there, but for every instance of a Right-winger using cancel culture as a weapon, there are easily a dozen examples of Leftists using it. And I hate to say it, but one day their ugly little tendency of wrecking people’s lives over mistakes or misunderstandings is going to backfire on them violently.
@@Garrus1995 As they should. If you want them to stop, make them.
@@Garrus1995 there is nothing more dangerous than a man with nothing to lose.
Centrists deserve to be shat upon, because simply by existing the way they do, they already kowtow to the radical Left. A typical person without strong political leanings can simply say “Yeah, I like aspects of this and aspects of that but neither side of the argument really sways me.” A modern centrist has to take time to extol the virtue and diversity of the Left every time they even inadvertently praise an aspect of the Right because otherwise they’ll have their life ruined or ended.
@@WhiteManOnCampus Way to prove the point.
Why can't the master's tools tear down the masters house? No, seriously. What a shit metaphor. You can't use picks, hoes and hammers to damage property?
Exactly. The masters tools were used to build the house, so to some degree, only the masters tools can take them down
I think they mean "You can't destroy a logical and reasonable person by using logic and reason, since just by being logical and reasonable you're agreeing with what they already believe"
@@scienceface8884 i truly hate that they attack logic and reason itself. it has completely ruined absurdism comedy for me, my eyes turns red. turned it into a fetishized lust and longing to break apart reality at every corner, to live in a hieronymus bosch hellscape and have the gall to call it wholesome. it's not even true random, it is dead-set on being as far away from pleasant and beauty as possible; to spit in it's face. I wish they who indulge in those orgy-like amalgamations of broken reason with such ferocity got sent to that exact place for all eternity and left us the fuck alone.
It's a pretty way to say "our arguments are sh*t, we will never win playing by the rules"
What I think she was trying to say was that you can't use rationality and logic to dismantle rationality and logic, as doing so and taking the conclusions derived from said rationality and logic as true inherently validates them, as why would you say they're bad when you both use them and agree with their outcome?
While this is probably true, it's also completely fucking braindead, because rationality and logic are good things, and definitely shouldn't be opposed in their entirety like those morons are.
Dev, I disagree with you all the time, and I wouldn't even cancel you.
Good
can you tell your disagreements please
It's a neat little trick by which progressives have nested a complaint (not a critique, but a complaint) against liberalism in a race complaint. What immediately struck me about the Smithsonian's Whiteness chart or DiAngelo's 4 Pillars of Whiteness is that they're VALUE SYSTEMS... Individualism, universalism, objectivity, meritocracy. So one should be debating the values, yeah? Is individualism good or bad? What are the benefits, challenges, and limitations of empiricism or rationalism? What is the SWOT analysis on the Protestant work ethic? Etc. and so forth. But they're not...
They're not debating whether these are good or bad, but whether they are "white" or "Black." And to what end? With the implicit understanding that "white" is colonialist, imperialist, and inherently racist. In other words, "white" is bad. That Smithsonian chart read like an ad for Whiteness because nothing they itemized was actually bad, while they neglected to itemize anything that actually was bad (for example, they left off "being racist" as a part of Whiteness, and in fact, racism as traditionally defined is logically incoherent with Whiteness as they defined it, since you can't be individualist, universalist, objective, meritocratic AND discriminate against people because of their skin colour). You were just supposed to understand implicitly that white=bad. Rather than debate the values ala carte, they're debating the RACE. And you'd think that a discussion about whether a RACE is good or bad would be totally beyond the pale. That sorta' shit went out with Hitler for fuck's sake. But...
But you redefine racism to mean something other than racism, and that an anti-white position is anti-racist BY DEFINITION. "You can't be racist to white people." Then you play a little shell game where race is actually ideological rather than genetic (hence why a non-conforming Black person can be "white") and play around with that if you ever get criticized. So they are debating the values and not debating the race until they are debating the race and not debating the values. As long as they can keep you on your toes in an ever shifting hustle, you'll never have the opportunity to really have the debate the needs to happen: individualism, universalism, objectivity, and meritocracy are GOOD. They are measurably, demonstrably better ways of organizing a healthy, functional, peaceful society. Bu... bu... but...
But you're saying that whiteness is good! That's white supremacy! It's okay to be white but it's not okay to SAY it's okay to be white! Them saying whiteness is bad is not racism by definition, but saying that the values they've ascribed to whiteness are good IS racism. So yeah, you're not ALLOWED to argue in favour of those values, because to do so is white supremacy.
It's a tricky little game to circumvent having to actually debate against a demonstrably good system of values.
However, there may be an out, which is to reframe what they mean. The opposite of Whiteness is NOT Blackness. Nor is it Brownness or Asianness or Indigeneity. The opposite of Whiteness is Wokeness. Once you understand and articulate that, then you might make some headway. That and the fact that by their own definitions it is impossible to be ideologically white and racist.
white people work hard and build a society, and then all of a sudden whiteness is bad, and therefore so is hard work and individualism.
I mean fine, if they want it that way they can have it.... SOMEWHERE ELSE !!!!
Please don't apologise for the 'old' meme, first time I saw it was in your old videos. Yes I discovered you in 2023.
this somewhat reminds me of why I am right wing by technicality. My actual views are very centrist but I tend to have far more fulfilling discussions on average with the non-radical right than the 'non-radical' left. The sheer irony of the right being more accepting of views outside their own than the left is amusing to me.
As a fellow “left gone right cause left gone leftier” fella, I felt that.
I mean, I have been seeing this since as far back as the 2000s, when the "Christian vs Atheist" debate was all the rage. As a Christian, I felt that both sides were quite intolerant of each other and weren't at all interested in actually finding any truth, but rather, beating the other side. However I noticed that, curiously, the people championing Atheism always talked about how "open minded" they were, and how the Christians were "unable to accept new ideas".
Nearly every person who said something like this would end up ridiculing me before I even said anything about my views; all they needed to hear was that I was a Christian, and that was enough for them to know everything about what I believed, and why it was wrong. What they really mean when they say "open minded" is "anti-traditional", because they are almost never interested at all in opening their minds to the merits of traditional values and belief systems. So yes, even before this woke apocalypse came upon us, the left has been that way for quite a long time. Like Otaku said, it is an intrinsic part of extremism to some degree, not just some unfortunate mutation or side-effect. This ALWAYS happens more, the further left you go from center. (And the further right you go from center, but that is an irrelevant topic in today's age.)
@@evanhuizenga8626 I am inclined to agree with you. Especially when it comes to the more militant atheists, aka the people who openly proclaim themselves as such and try to convince others to do the same. Treating it basically like a religion with them as its Zealots, which is highly ironic.
There's nothing ironic about that. Classical liberalism is right wing
Same here. Though I’m trying to lean left again for awhile (since my entire family is _very_ lefty). I spent so much time studying more, thinking about it, reconsidering my morals, trying to see where I’m failing at, or even dig up if I have issues and find out where that comes from (like if it stems from the patriarchy and stuff like that), but it turns out it all becomes an unhealthy shore for me as it starts to appear like an insane cult the deeper I go, and there’s just not one person I personally know that makes me feel comfortable to think and speak freely that leans left. Not one. It’s like trying to continue on a toxic relationship at this point..
And this is fairly new. Everyone I know was genuinely open minded and willing to talk about whatever however just some years ago.. now it’s like everyone it’s on a reality tv with the same exact script.
Hopefully we’re just in a weird phase and things will eventually get normal again. Can’t help being extremely distressed that this will be the memories I’ll have from my early 20s though (if we’re lucky).. I’ve imagined it to be so much different from this chaos… [excuse my sobbiness and English 😅]
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I often say this about Tim pool that if he doesn't stop being a fence-sitter that he will be ripped apart by both sides. nobody likes a lukewarm minded person on important issues if they're non- important they are seen as open-minded, but a nuisance and a unnecessary Wall nonetheless when at War
Is that the truth of it, btw? I never pay close attention to Vaush. Does he seem to have zero principles just because every time he takes a principled stance, his audience attacks him for it, so he skips ever again addressing anything that he actually has a sincere stance on?
Can you link a copy of your script? I want to present it at my university.
That thing Lindsay Ellis is talking about already has a name it's called Authoritarian fascism
and everyone not left enough is already talking about it !!
"If this sounds on some fundamental level, like an appeal to irrationality, it is."
Why do you guys think the same crowd on UA-cam who believe all art is subjective, also just so happen to be in the position Lindsay Ellis is in politically? It's not a coincidence.
1:06 That is an oversimplification. Sure, the right might push you back sometimes, but they are vastly friendlier and more positive than the left. You can't just boil it down to saying both sides are "the same" just because they did the same thing, one side does it sometimes and the other side does it all the times.
For me I see it as the right often tries to convince you of their position, the left tries to shame you into theirs.
There is no such thing as “white culture “. In the US there is the amalgamation of many different ethnicities, yes majority European, but is no means limited to them. The US is a hybridization of hundreds of different unique cultural identities which make up the whole. The binding quality amongst us all is that we’re Americans and I would stand up for and protect my fellow Americans in a way in which I wouldn’t Europeans. I would argue that the “our diversity is our strength “ crowd, in their most zealous representation, loath the United States as well as any associations they might have with it. That’s why the progressive stance towards immigration is so destructive and poisonous. They actively encourage newly arrived immigrants, and thus Americans, to hate their country and to hate being an American. It is a recipe for cultural collapse.
Take a guess which "cultural identities" benefited the country the most.
You’re making this too complicated. They’re just extremely antiwhite
Yeah. It’s actually quite disturbing to hear Lefties talk about “white” people like we are all some giant collective that acts and thinks the same. What does a Greek have in common with an Irishman? What does a Russian have in common with a French person? Fact is, “white” people tend to have different cultural identities, different philosophical and ideological beliefs and yes, different languages. Used to be that only White Anglo-Saxon Protestants rose high in American society, and “white” people not belonging to that group were second-class citizens. My point being that being white doesn’t really mean anything. It’s not a statement of your beliefs or culture, it’s literally just pigment.
@@Garrus1995race isn’t skin deep. they also don’t care about your stupid abstractions of what white is. they’re gonna roll over us and turn the west into South Africa. your centrist/liberal/individualist/whatever mindset isn’t gonna stop it. please wake up, you’re way behind on this stuff
Traditional homes, 2 parent families, working hard, and education aren't inherently american values. This stuff is universal for most countries, 3rd world or otherwise.
"If it has a name it has power."
LOL, so much effort was put into making sure no one said Voldemort's name, that it helped his allies bring him back. Right under the noses of the "good guys" who refused to recognize evil just to retain the illusion of the status quo.
If it can silence you, it already has a name: FEAR. Beware those who wield it for the 'greater good'.
there is no fear except fear itself.
Now that you mention it, that aspect of Harry Potter really strikes a chord with the way I feel about modern conservatives. "Refused to recognize evil just to retain the illusion of the status quo".
@@evanhuizenga8626 Yup. It also applies strongly to those every-day, working-class Democrats/Liberals who are happy with the election results even if they know deep down there was some shady $hit going on on their side of the aisle. (Including the ever-growing wokeness, sexism and racism of the left.)
@@613harbinger316 "Most secure election in history hurr durr." going by that, does that mean the other elections weren't secured and quite possibly fraudulent? really makes you think...
I am still baffled how Ellis blamed the right for the left being vicious to the left.
The Left always blames the Right for what the Left does...
Stockholm syndrome
Lindsay is one of those leftists who blames stubbing her toe on the right.
The word Lindsey is look for is "cult". It isn't the Right "using words against us", it's normal people voicing concern over the rise of this cult.
The pushing comic is the best one since Nice Guy.
The original comic is a critique on the Overton Window.
“We have to condemn publicly the very idea that some people have the right to repress others. In keeping silent about evil, in burying it so deep within us that no sign of it appears on the surface, we are implanting it, and it will rise up a thousandfold in the future. When we neither punish nor reproach evildoers, we are not simply protecting their trivial old age, we are thereby ripping the foundations of justice from beneath new generations”
― Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, The Gulag Archipelago 1918-1956
Its honestly really fun to watch the purity spiral consume the left on the sidelines as a Libertarian. Not taking part in the game is clearly where the most fun is had.
Yo libertarian gang?
Just make sure the right doesn't cannibalize you in turn. Look at the Internet Bloodsports scene for what happens when that goes down.
15:55 Oh God.....I remember this. It just sickens me as a Nigerian-immigrant in North America. I had to work hard to qualify to emigrate here for college and am still working hard to pay for my tuition, rent and other expenses. I also had to help pay for my younger sister's college here when my parents emigrated as well. The sheer fact that some elitist lefty scumbag actually thinks that hard work, perseverance, punctuality, toughness etc are somehow only seen in white culture is just disgusting and insulting.
whats wrong with living in Nigeria though?
Tenets of woke socialist ideology wasn't decided upon with some sort of consistent bigger picture in mind. It keeps being added upon, regardless of whether or not its proponents can keep up.
happy to help
In other words, standard commie stuff.
5:12 what that one didn’t age so well…
One of the ways I was pulled out of the Communist cesspit and how I pull others out is explaining the obvious end of Communism and socialism.
1: You are the bourgeoisie.
2: part of the means of production comes at the cost of your individual freedom of expression and self-determination.
3: Under Communism you are not a person but a tool to be used as the State demands.
When they ask for evidence, I ask them. Who scares you more, the enemy or your own comrades? There is always hesitation and then deflection.
If we all operate on "the enemy of my enemy is my friend", we're all gonna run out of friends real fast.
thats.... not what that saying means.
@@Born_Stellar I'm saying is that you can't be coerced into siding on one team just because you're being attacked by the other. Centrists being pushed rightward doesn't have to fight the right's battles for them, and the same thing vice versa.
If a right-winger buddies up with a centrist forced out of the left, the right-winger shouldn't expect the centrist to pick his side. If his intentions of reaching out to the centrist are in good faith, he would simply not do this. Mutual respect is earned through time and the right interactions, not made through a common enemy. If both the centrist and the right-winger want to attain this, and not just add another member into their group, then a better understanding amongst themselves will occur.
I think that's a lot better than being a victim of both sides' purity test.
What's up my knitters?
18:56 "Mass Deaths are not a road that I want to go down...AGAIN."
*ShortFatOtaku Confirmed Undertale Player*
@the sewer pig Separate game.
That comic is how I felt back in 2015-16.
Me too; me too... Like I didn't want to care.
Basically me during the 2020 riots….
That comic is what I started to see unfold in reality back in 2015-2016. I was like "Wait, why are they physically assaulting people just for liking that candidate, that's insane."
Yes, yes it was and still is.
Yep, I heard how Trump Supporters are evil Nazis but got confused when a girl who supported Trump got attacked by a Mob, usually it's the violent right one who attacks right? then it spiraled all the way from there.
“Let he is without sin cast the first stone.” is a sentiment that needs a secular equivalent
Let he who did not say the gamer word send the first tweet.
@@dudeistpreist5721 Based
Oh the irony that Secular people still need christian principles to govern themselves.
*Laugh's in Catholic*
@@dudeistpreist5721 hahahahahaha the gamer word
If they don't recognize the authority of the Bible in the first place, what good is a modern translation? And since when did the left value introspection and empathy for social outcasts that they created?
"despite the memes about him being a pedo i don't think he's actually a pedo he's just" boy did this not age well
Me in 2023 👉🏽👈🏽
actually watching in 2023 lol
I have no sympathy for Lyndsey and I have no sympathy for ShoeOnHead either. They are both hypocrites who have said and done one thing in the past and are now doing the complete opposite.
No clue who either of these people are but ShoeOnHead seems like one of those chicks that partakes in male dominated activity to make guys like her so I avoid her like the plague. She's like Boxxy if she was mildly self aware.
Minimum wage just makes people who can’t procure “set value” per hour permanently unemployed. It just hurts the under skilled and poor.
When the minimum wage gets hiked, corporations have two options: cut costs or raise prices. Most corporations don't choose the former in response to these hikes because the employees were hired to serve a purpose that still needs to be served, and because the PR fallout from conveniently firing workers in proportion to these hikes would be catastrophic. But raising prices slightly, especially with inflation as an excuse, is much harder to whip the public into a frenzy over. So they tend to choose the latter.
The consequence is that inflation necessarily occurs in proportion to minimum wage increases, since it takes more money than before to buy the same amount. This consequently taxes the income of everybody who earns anything over minimum wage, and the savings of those who are actually responsible with money. It keeps the poor placated, kills the spirits of anybody in the middle class who has to worry about a budget that just got a little tighter, and leaves the rich barely affected and better insulated against any rising competition. Ironically, leftist policy encourages the very wealth inequality they criticize. No wonder they're the party of the ultra-poor and ultra-rich.
That's fine, in the socialist utopia all of the unemployed get paid the same as the people with jobs anyways
@@hagoryopi2101 yeah, when that job that pays $20/hr with a degree stays the same, but now that job you can get as a high school drop out pays $15/hr it also makes people question why they should spend that extra effort to get the skills for the former job. There is also though the idea of when the worker gets too expensive, you increase the machines you use. Which unless people move into the manufacturing and maintenance of those machines people will be out of work due to the switch. But worse of all, unless the business does under the table, it makes it illegal to work unless you can find a place that is willing to pay you "x". So instead of a company hiring someone to mop their floors for them for $5/hr, they may cut that dude out of the equation and just get the other employees to squeeze time to mop. Meaning its harder for someone who is just getting into the work force who wasn't able to get a degree or whatnot to actually get started in life.
Ironically, that thing they want for the poor is actually anti-poor.
Also Aydin Paladin did a good video on minimum wage.
So how does reducing their wage help them?
@@MarquisLeary34 we could just pay them for the work they do, ya know? The value of the dollar is quite low for now, so we need to solve that before we can start reducing wages as appropriate.
Here in hungarian history we call this purity spire the "slami tactic" which means cutting off ever, bit of opposition from goverment. Starting with far rigth, and ending up at your own party. This was done after ww2, funded by the soviets.
The left is absolutely asinine. These people wear the badge of tribalism with pride.
With pride?? The worst of the leftists are the ones who are absolutely obsessed with combating "othering" with "inclusiveness and diversity." They have to pretend the tribalism doesn't exist, because acknowledging that they're just another vicious in-group is admitting their core goal of unity is a lost cause.
A hypocrite who's been tricked by their own lie is infinitely more pathetic than someone who understands and brazenly accepts horrific ideologies.
Which side usually includes Evangelical Christians, remind me?
@@MarquisLeary34 you don’t have to be religious to fall for tribalism. Are you this dense? Even a lot of atheists fall for this primitive “us vs them” mentality - where anyone who disagrees with you is automatically the anti-Christ.
@@leoalphaproductions8642 Never said one had to be religious to be so. My point is that the right's leash is being tugged by an extremely tribalistic ideology, namely Christianity.
@@MarquisLeary34 and the current left’s leash is being tugged by a tribalistic ideology, namely Marxists. And don’t sit here denying that that is the case. Because the entire far left is overrun by Marxist ideologues who screech about socialist and communist utopia. They’re no different than the far right.
Way to bring up a whataboutism argument btw. You might be shocked to know this - but not everyone subscribes to the binary political model of the US. In fact, some of us don’t even subscribe to any political ideologies. To me, you’re all tribalistic fools fighting over nonsense that is far beyond your power to control (unless you’re a politician). Politics is a fools game, and a waste of time. I value my emotional state and sanity too much to be bogged down by your tribalistic quarrels.
It makes sense for a socialist to not want to deviate from groupthink and the mob opinion. Socialism is all about stripping away all individuality and all individual rights and opinions, for the greater good of the mob, or the masses
What happened to Republicans or anyone on the right who disagreed with Trump, remind me? The right wing has no moral high horse on individuality, not with Evangelical Christianity keeping it's choke hold on it.
@@MarquisLeary34 Nothing happened to them.
@@AverageAlien I think Mike Pence would disagree with you..
Whenever someone says it's only a fringe minority that's on their extremist side, I ask "okay, so who's gonna tell them they don't speak for the silent majority? You?" They don't have a corrective mechanism, because merely having a conversation about certain topics is not allowed. They have this problem of canonicity because they reject that very idea. Even the way I'm speaking, using the word "they" people will just deny and move on.
Funny to see Andre Lorde referenced here, I have to read that exact essay of hers next week. Not entirely sure what I think about her yet from what we have read. (Probably about to turn into a rant, I haven't had anyone to properly vent my thoughts to)
What I have read of hers so far is a speech she gave in 1977. "The transformation of silence into language and action". Most of it is so-so, she talks about a health scare where she was afraid she had breast cancer, she talks a bit about kwanza, a bit about being an out lesbian woman in the 70s (which I gotta say in most circles was a faaar braver thing then than now, but still the similariity of the language used to talk about it then and now got an instinctual eye roll or two from me). What I really liked though, was the ending. It was also depressing, in a "how have we ended up back here?" way.
She says if she had been born mute, she still would have sufferred and eventually died, so what new kind of pain could possibly come from speaking? And then, "That we not hide behind the mockeries of separations that have been imposed on us and which so often we accept as our own. For instance, 'I can't possibly teach black women's writing - their experience is so different from mine.' Yet how many years have you spent teaching Plato and Shakespeare and Proust? Or another, 'She's a white woman, what could she possibly have to say to me?' ... 'she's a lesbian, what would my husband say, or my chairman?'... 'This woman writes of her sons and I have no children.' And all the other endless ways in which we rob ourselves of ourselves and each other."
And you know what my professor got out of that? That it was good teachers and professors had made progress by "decolonizing their reading material." I've seen people miss the forest for the trees, but this guy missed the ocean for a fucking shrimp. The books weren't the point! The point was that we can't think of other people, no matter the differences, as so different we could never understand them, could never empathize with them. That our separations don't come from our differences, "for it is not difference which immobilizes us, but silence."
Another interesting point she made right at the end, second to last paragraph is "For we have been socialized to respect fear more than our own needs for language and definitio, and while we wait in silence for that final luxury of fearlessness, the wait of that silence will choke us."
Personally I think when the words of a feminist from the 70s feel so applicable to our issues right now, we're fucked. 40 years of progress stolen away.
"The Beast"
I'm so happy they are acknowledging my ideals finally. Because I dont want power; like my boy George I want to be left alone; but this group you talk about are purposely HUNTING homies like me. My future looks bright if you like fighting and arguing. Like cmon man
God forgive me...
The folly if the centrist, doesn't want power yet complains when someone else does.
Wow, if only this concept of treating others the same way you want to be treated and operating with forgiveness and internal integrity was encapsulated in a good book somewhere written by people who knew far more than what we know now with all of our wondrous machines and tools.
I wouldn't say a bunch of monks living in a cave 'know more than we know now' but there is value in the words of the bible, yes.
The golden rule
a "good" book whose main character kills almost 3 million people in less than 1000 pages
It’s an ouroboros, and food always is in demand. Regardless of who fuels the engine, it needs to keep running.
Infinite mouthful of ass.
Compare and contrast "the Master's tools will never dismantle the Master's house" quote with “the Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them.”
Contra will have her own daily ten minute think-piece segment on Fox by 2025 at the latest. Screencap this.
You mean his. He’s a man
@@Backup_Dice Good manners cost absolutely nothing, you know.
@@rottingpikachu324 since when is it good manners to lie?
"despite the mucho texto" fucking based Dev got a good laugh off of that
If someone said "We need a minimum wage because of inflation", I'd say, "Maybe inflation is the real problem then?"
>Promotes irrational aggression
>Gets attacked by irrational aggressive people
"Help I'm being attacked by irrational aggressive people"
Socialism requires irrationality to exist?
This is a tautology.
so does all of our current systems, they all operate under assumptions like 1. unlimited economic growth overtime
We told them, they gaslit us, now we moved on, and they're getting hit.
Not a shred of empathy will be given, get crushed and ravaged, we don't care.
why does it come for everyone? because no one is free of sin.
I mean that unironically. the woke idiology demands perfection, and no human being is perfect. but because the idiology doesn't believe in personal flaws, only an abstract force of evil, when you inevitably slip up it is seen as the same as an intentional betrayal.
6:24 Reminds me of when Sargon and Styx debated Spencer, and he tried to claim that the population exchanges after WWI and II were an example of how 'peaceful' population movement could create ethno-states. Sure fam, ask the Pontic Greeks and the Balkan Germans how that worked out...
and I don't believe the jewish people just 'peacefully' moved into isreal.
We don't talk about those genocides
They all just went on a permanent vacation to tahiti
TIK has some videos up about Operation Keelhaul. Horrific stuff
@@juliantheapostate8295 The treatment of the Cossacks was despicable, to be true
I love how Contrapoints “canceling” always comes from him trying to say “words have meanings” while unironically supporting the position that words having set meanings is bigoted and right wing. He’s getting dragged for the same exact thing they all dragged Rowling for.
I’m glad Lindsay, Vaush, and Contrapoints are all getting cannibalizes by this movement. They’re all fucking insufferable to listen to.
I remember when Lindsey was just female Doug Walker. She was tolerable then. I miss the good old days of not realizing that Channel Awesome sucked.
I too remember being retarded.
What goes around, comes into a cancelation for the Breadtube/Rose twitter mob.
The true joke is that this is a rib on the left but in Canada our Conservatives are blue.
well the libs needed red... its the colour of communism!
@@Born_Stellar republicans are red though! Checkmate!
When _Vaush_ is the voice of reason lmao!
The initial meme works if you realize that the figures less represent people than positions, or maybe both simultaneously. It doesn't make sense to complain that White has agency if enacting agency to "ally" with Blue means the same things as changing his actual philosophical/political/whatever stance. Even just in the cartoon, he obviously hasn't joined Red in a meaningful sense, his position has just been recategorized as Red by Blue, who then wonders why that person (whose position didn't actually change) changed positions, when it was Blue's doing in the first place by moving the line. Obviously I'm over-explaining this.
Blue is currently the left most 8% of people (probably less by now) and everyone not in that ever-shrinking category is a far right supremacist yahtzee so-and-so.
You mentioned people doing this on the right, and that's definitely true too. Everyone who disagrees with some certain list of standard conservative talking points (whose content and number vary by person) is obviously a Librul (by which they actually mean Far Leftist), which may include anywhere from 50% to 90% of the population, without any distinction. I've definitely been called or construed as both by people on the extremes. I'm not exactly centrist, but I am somewhat heterodox.
I got in an argument on some youtube thread the other day with, presumably, a conservative, and somewhere I made a distinction between liberals and leftists, and he berated me for the no-true-scotsman fallacy, demonstrating a complete inability to distinguish diametrically opposing views simply because they were both not his.
Imagine getting hated on by your audience for what you believe in. That's almost Hollywood levels of pathetic.
sure the right CAN and DOES sometimes do the same thing but no one can honestly say they do it even HALF as much as the left does CURRENTLY as in the last 5 to 6 years only pointing this out cause i despise the "there both equally bad" argument some people could twist this as which again at CURRENT TIME thats like saying stubing your toe is just as bad as having ripped off entirly
Honestly if it was anyone other than Dev making the statement I'd be saying the same thing because you're right and way too many people use both sidesism as a whataboutism to waste time and or distract from the actual issue. That said I have seen a right wing purity spiral happen earlier this month and it was pretty nasty, Dev was somewhat involved too. The frustrating part is that the radical elements of the right that do that shit are being empowered by how batshit crazy the left has been acting and so the best way to stop such things from happening in the future would still be to just go HAAAM after the radical left to starve the radical right, instead of doing the both sidesism.
@@GodOfOrphans The opposite is true from my look at history. The problem is that taking away the agitators for the hyper right wing types doesn't remove the agitated population who will then go on to do a bunch of stupid ass right wing things that empowers the left, and lo and behold we've made the political pendulum. Napoleon did that to the French Revolution, he ended the Revolution the hard way right before cock-blocking anyone else from taking his power by naming himself regent, and even then Napoleon wasn't exactly the best ruler in the world.
You need to de-fang those hyper-right wingers before we get to our happy middle between the Stalinist tankies and the Hitler Youth wannabes. Otherwise we fail to brake and just palate swap our current problems. Just as a quick set of things I've seen, we're never going to make gay marriage illegal again, being trans has entered the conversation and people who have healthily transitioned do exist and seem better for it, so that can't be gotten rid of (though the bar for when it's deemed medically advisable can be raised), and the kind of McCarthy style inquisitions some people want are never going to happen without them purity spiralling and fueling the communists they hunted. It sucks, but if you go HAM on one side without making sure you've got the other in complete control by then, it's just like using a boxed crook who then goes on to escape and make life worse for everyone again.
@@harleymitchelly5542 Considering how far gone things are if we don't quash the extreme left very soon we won't have another chance, I really do think that a good chunk of radicalized rightys will chill out once the sword of damocles isn't hanging over their head and perpetually agitating them though and any that still want to pick a fight afterwards won't have the numbers to succeed. I've spoken with a few and from what I can gather a lot don't even care about nor want the more extreme return to tradition stuff they just want the cult of woke gone and they're losing faith in a more liberty minded solution partly because of the incessant both sidesism and partly just due to the chronic lack of results, if they had the infinity gauntlet or some other kind of wish granting macguffin they'd take a libertarian esque solution they just don't really beleive it's possible in reality, ergo proving it is indeed possible by destroying the cult of woke should be all it takes for them to chill out.
@@GodOfOrphans I've known several pretty radical righties. They won't chill until the US is back in the 50's in the worst way possible. The fact gay marriage is even entertained will get them purity spiraling, let alone any of the other concessions in that sweet spot of 60's-80's where a lot of activism had a genuine nugget of point even if it went off the rails from the 90's on. We're never going to go back to the 1950's, and that fact will cause problems later if we don't nip it in the bud before the left's ousted. Give an inch take a mile applies to anyone who gets that taste of power, and most of those ex-pats don't know a lick of political strategy and have ADHD levels of patience. I don't like mincing words about the enemy at my back after all, and the people giving up are being good little lefties by doing what the Dems want them to do. If this sounds like an insult to them, that's because it is. Manchurian candidates should be insulted, doubly so if there wasn't even a complex spy game to turn them into subversives. I know that's not everyone, but I've chased a few people who say they just want libertarianism down into toxic rabbit holes. Dev gave a similar thing for the communists where you go, "And then what?" until you get the tankie out of them, I've seen enough of that in right-leaning people for me to be concerned and why the both-sides pleading is necessary. If they claim sitting on the fence is hard, let it be known this fence is wrought iron and a metal stake up the ass is not comfortable in the slightest.
That being said... I am a fervent advocate of the white pill because a lot of people are shortsighted, even some commentators with legitimately wise insights, and ascribe way too much influence to the woke left. This isn't even far, if you want far you need to go back to the 1930's. FDR got away with shit modern lefties would cream their pants over. He got closer to a federally mandated $15 minimum wage than anyone alive today, and I do mean that in 1930's money. It was either that or employer funded insurance. You want a study in actual American fascism and totalitarianism, study the details of FDR. Biden could never get away with shovelling 2 extra SCOTUS justices on the court, FDR almost got 7. The left is very very loud but just don't have the tour-de-force ability to act on it like FDR did. People loved FDR even as he stole every last penny of their savings and turned a routine dip in the economy aggravated by Hoover into a depression we now capitalize as Great. The left pales in comparison because just about everything they do reeks of overreach and these incessant purity spirals are evidence of the rotten foundations of the left. (Though yes, this implies there is a foundation in there somewhere. Analogies only work so far.) I didn't weep much over Trump losing the election (honk honk) because I knew pretty soon afterwards that the left had nowhere to go. All they could do was prematurely blow their legislative loads without any mandate to achieve them, piss off everyone, and kick off a political reformation at the lower levels of politics, which is where the effort is really needed at this point. We're the Vietcong, we're the ones running asymmetrical warfare, and people do need to be reminded that we don't win the war with a total count of victories, our proper strategy is just to take the last victory as the left can fight no more and fade away organically.
@@harleymitchelly5542 I agree with the majority of what you said but I still stand by my earlier statements. I don't really have a whole lot more to add at this point though, I just wanted to compliment you for your efforts even if I'm not completely convinced you make a lot of sense and well put together good faith arguments desrve credit where it's due.
Being part of Vaush's audience is INFURIATING cause there is legit VERY LITTLE room for nuance disscussion and they take EVERYTHING at face value and are unable to think for themselves
Imagine an army of mini Me's back when I first discovered atheism, constantly reguritating points made by TJ Kirk and George Carlin instead of saying my own thoughts about it, leaving no room for opposing points.
BTW still an atheist and still into Carlin and TJ, but now able to disagree and make my own conclussions out of said disagreements
"We must ignore this disease"
Venice circa 1908: B R U H
Not fearing your audience. See? This is why I respect you.
if his fans were vaush's fans he would be. its just cause his fans are normal, lol.
Jesus Christ. I'm in shock, having just heard Vaush make a good point
Edit: Holy shit, and another one
Ah yes I keep forgetting Dev has dirty left thinking in him. always gotta Maintain those snaps to keep yourself distant from the right.
i'm not left and i'm not right.
@@ShortFatOtaku No you are left because let's knock the Overton window back to The middle where would you fall in it.
I'm pretty sure it would probably be where you were before you got pushed out of the left.
Centrism is not viable Because it itself only exists where the Overton window swings. Plus the group disenfranchised from the swing thay have no place to go and don't want to commit to the other side.
@@ironbaysqiureg4827 No wonder people don't want to commit to either side when both attack them for not being right or left enough and belittle them for it. Jesus, man.
@@IamaCosmonaut o yes I'm attacking him for saying Is that he was still a left thinking person despite the of Overton window abandoning him in a no man's land.
if Lindsey Started to say she's not the right or left despite keeping all her political opinions would you accept that as centrist.
that sounds like a leftist who lost their spot now trying to find a new place to not associate with the other side.
Contrapoints even called his audience "goblins" too.
Contrapoints needs to make more videos, so we can absolutely shit on them.
@@gregutz4284 she has hours of content to debunk
@@craneisthename He.
@@jamestoney6599 she identifies and has transitioned into a woman. Being impolite doesn’t help civil discussion.
@@craneisthename neither is playing pretend, which has complicated reality already.
It was always there.
Since the very beginning.
Society, man.
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The purity spiral reminds me of a type of proof I was taught a good while ago. I believe it's inductive proof, but don't quote me on the name. At a high level, the proof works by assuming something is true for n, and proving that if that's the case, n+1 is also true. Therefore it's true for every value since you can just change n to be n+1, making n+1 into (n+1)+1, infinitely. They've accepted an assumption that more leftism is always good, therefore if we were to measure how left someone is as a number, for any n, n+1 is better. A purity spiral is the only possible result. It's valid reasoning, but obviously not sound.
The Master's tools thing also stood out to me. It sounds exactly like Nietzsche's idea of the two kinds of morality: master morality and slave morality. Where master morality says "This is me, these are my values, these are what are good.", slave morality subordinates itself by looking at another morality and saying "That person(s) is evil, their values are evil, and what's not that is good." Seems exactly like the leftist arguments against any Western values, primarily liberalism, which they label "whiteness".