Thank you for this demo and analysis. This is almost exactly my use case. For this price bracket, I'd rather have a stable router with thoughtfully designed firmware (Asus rt-ax58u) than the latest wifi standard (TP-Link axe5400) so long as the latency and image quality are good enough for the Quest 3.
Have you setup the TP-Link AX73 as an access point? if so is the PC connected to it with a network cable? how is the setup with your home router into the house?
Your bitrate is 120 Mbps and the max is 200.... I don't understand though, it seems there are a lot of guides out there that say that you should increase the bitrate to above 200 to get better image quality, some guides saying 800Mbps. So is 120 not very low?
Hello mate, this is the bitrate about video codec when the GPU render on PC and compress video signal before it comes in VR and after that decompress in VR. So 800 is about data rate transfer so here in this case is trough the router 2401 and max 200 is for video codec. Im glad if I helped you.
Using virtual desktop AV1 is a supported codec making 120 to 200 maps enough. When using default quest 3, h264/5 is used and that requires around 350mbps even with less quality. Those who go up to 940 mbps are not getting any close to that as the meta uses dynamic bandwidth and will always be less than 400 or latency will go so high.
@@imad1996 personally in VD I prefer 500 Mbps h264+ vs 200 Mpbs AV1 or H265. Without auto bitrate, of course. Less compression artefacts, but I think colors are a bit worse.
I wonder what's your setting in msfs. I have a 12900k with 4070ti and I struggle to get the game stutter free with good fps. I also have a tp link axe 5400 wifi6e router. Im also using vdxr but I'll try hevc 10bit instead of av1 for quest 3.
Yes it is ''only'' 1 gb. But you will never reach that lol. There isnt an option higher than 500 here and higher than 960 on shity air link. Though you will have waaay less headroom which isnt rly needed here, you will not notice the differences going above 600mbps
My current setup is a TP-Link AC-1200 that with WIFI5 standard. My latency ranges from 25-35ms (H.264 bc otherwise latency is between 45-50ms+. But I think a upgrade to WIFI6 would be outdated in a few ages. Probably should go with WIFI6E. Any recomandations? The settings in your video doesn't really make sens. You have 60ms and 75ms+ in your games which is almost uplayable. Everythin above 50ms is bad
So is this router plugged into another router in your house? I just can't get a good connection in the room I use my vr headset. I've tried WiFi extenders but they just shit. My pc hard wired so could I just plud another router in and use this in the same room as my setup?
I got mine wifi 6E yesterday tp link axe75. Ms is a little bit lesser then I had before. In virtual desktop mbps stays on 2400. Wifi 6 had sometimes a small drop.. but not to big of a deal. If you have the money, go for wifi 6e. And you're set for 5600 mbps fot later on.
Late to the party here. It depends. I got a wifi 6e router and it helped alot. Why? This is because the 6ghz band is not crowded by my neighbours since none of them have 6ghz yet. So it really helped boost the quality by a lot. I red somewhere that it does not actually transfer more data or anything, it is mainly solves the crowded wifi issue.
Surprising how good these Broadcom routers are getting. However I always recommend a Qualcomm router for better reception and more firmware features. I stupidly got an AX20 with broadcom but it’s really not bad.
I dont understand why ac is better than ax. AX routers support 9.6Gbps while AC only supports speeds of 3.5Gbps, not only does Ax support higher speeds but also has lower latency and wider coverage as well as better security
@@andyoo2851 Support, stability, consistent signal, and just better overall hardware. Support and stability specifically are the main factors. Broadcom chips are closed source and are provided a minimal level of support. Security patches usually. Not to mention the ability to further update your router. But I wont say qualcomm will stay good. Qualcomm as of late, has the odd naming schemes, and have been raking in the dough. Going closed source in the future is definitely a possibility as its probably in their best interest to do so. However Mediatek is the best for the best all around support. They dont seem like they’re gonna go closed source any time soon. AX AC and all that stuff is just naming based on speeds. AX is the new standard and AC is the older slower one. Youll find all types of chips across the two standards.
@@curbthepain I assume you are talking about just this specific router as qualcom was first company to announce end-to-end commercial solutions supporting 802.11ax specifications
@@almedinfilms8390 Got it, i have axe5400 - wifi6e router. And have Quest 3 exclusively on SSID with 6ghz wifi6e, still getting some stuttering... rest of the devices are on 5g / 2.4g... not sure what the issue is. maybe some bug with AX protocol. Alot of ppl report it.
@@almedinfilms8390 I have problem because on Skyrim VR (moded) its set automatically to 140% and fps is very bad. And i cant figure how to set it up to 100%. When i play with Rift S direcly from Display port its fine.
@@TASKEsrb steamvr resolution is set to automatic. so it changes depending on demand of the game. i always set it to 100% manual. then i change my VD setting if i feel i can hang with ultra instead of high
Well, to be honest, so many routers can pull steady 200 Mbps, so I'm not sure why even go for expensive AX5400 for that. I picked this router to do 500 Mbps h264+ and so far so good, but if I only needed 200 Mbps I'd just stay with some basic AX1800.
I have almost zero knowledge about routers so I wanted to ask, why does everyone suggest wifi6e when this router is supposedly good enough for wireless?
@@suparibhau exactly, my reply to you got deleted. TLDR wifi 6e is needed only if regular 5 GHz band is full or you don't know how to setup the router and just brute force the issue instead. Apparently YT deletes any social media references. Try "disk cord" of VD, there is a list of routers, and those recommendations are given to withstand 500 Mbps, not a measly 200 Mbps. Most of AX5400 routers on Qualcomm processor will do 500 Mbps in VD. And any AX1800 will do 200 like in this video. And those who really want the best networking for simulators are just buying ethernet to type C gigabit adapters, they work with Quest 3 (the ones on Realtek chips).
Great video but the text in the cockpit is not sharp in mine and I have Rtx 3080 all similar specs with the quest 3 but it’s clear in my hp G2 how you get clear text in your quest 3 for msf2020
Only RTX 40 series and RX 8000 series support AV1 encoding which outputs a higher quality than HEVC. Additionally, HP G2 uses a direct display port connection which means there is no encoding and therefore compression of the video. Quest 3 does not have a display port connection and therefore you must stream it wirelessly with whatever codec you have available and therefore there will be more artifacts and lower quality.
Bro, your router is not ultimate as with my Asus wifi 5, I get 3 to 4 of latency at 200mbps virtual desktop. The best router is Asus wifi 6e gaming series, as those models use a fast processor capable of sustaining a constant 200mbps. You unable to go to 200mbps is due to your router. My key learning is a fast wifi 5 router with a bandwidth of 844mbps will do better than a wifi 6 not fast. I have one wifi 6 router and am not using it due to this reason.
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how can I turn on performance/connection values graph just like yours?
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Thank you for this demo and analysis. This is almost exactly my use case.
For this price bracket, I'd rather have a stable router with thoughtfully designed firmware (Asus rt-ax58u) than the latest wifi standard (TP-Link axe5400) so long as the latency and image quality are good enough for the Quest 3.
Anyone elses quest 3 take forever to find the wifi 6e band with this setup?
Have you setup the TP-Link AX73 as an access point? if so is the PC connected to it with a network cable? how is the setup with your home router into the house?
Hello, TP Link is connected on my Cable Modem and then on PC. )
Your bitrate is 120 Mbps and the max is 200....
I don't understand though, it seems there are a lot of guides out there that say that you should increase the bitrate to above 200 to get better image quality, some guides saying 800Mbps. So is 120 not very low?
Hello mate, this is the bitrate about video codec when the GPU render on PC and compress video signal before it comes in VR and after that decompress in VR. So 800 is about data rate transfer so here in this case is trough the router 2401 and max 200 is for video codec. Im glad if I helped you.
@@almedinfilms8390 ok, I understand. I have to get virtual desktop I guess and try what I get.
Using virtual desktop AV1 is a supported codec making 120 to 200 maps enough. When using default quest 3, h264/5 is used and that requires around 350mbps even with less quality. Those who go up to 940 mbps are not getting any close to that as the meta uses dynamic bandwidth and will always be less than 400 or latency will go so high.
@@imad1996 personally in VD I prefer 500 Mbps h264+ vs 200 Mpbs AV1 or H265. Without auto bitrate, of course. Less compression artefacts, but I think colors are a bit worse.
Brilliant content, is this running update v62?
Yes, its on update v62. )))
I wonder what's your setting in msfs. I have a 12900k with 4070ti and I struggle to get the game stutter free with good fps. I also have a tp link axe 5400 wifi6e router. Im also using vdxr but I'll try hevc 10bit instead of av1 for quest 3.
Hello, I just uploadet new video about settings in MSFS. Checki it out. )))@@QCAlex4
why wifi 6 VD is best than link cable at 960 Mbp rate in ODT ?
Confused about the PC connection. Ethernet cable to router? Isn't that only 1Gb?
My question being doesn't that mean the wifi only needs the same and standard 5G should work?
Yes it is ''only'' 1 gb. But you will never reach that lol. There isnt an option higher than 500 here and higher than 960 on shity air link. Though you will have waaay less headroom which isnt rly needed here, you will not notice the differences going above 600mbps
My current setup is a TP-Link AC-1200 that with WIFI5 standard. My latency ranges from 25-35ms (H.264 bc otherwise latency is between 45-50ms+. But I think a upgrade to WIFI6 would be outdated in a few ages. Probably should go with WIFI6E. Any recomandations? The settings in your video doesn't really make sens. You have 60ms and 75ms+ in your games which is almost uplayable. Everythin above 50ms is bad
Hello, I think you should stay with that one it will do the job as this mine. Keep the money. )
So is this router plugged into another router in your house? I just can't get a good connection in the room I use my vr headset. I've tried WiFi extenders but they just shit. My pc hard wired so could I just plud another router in and use this in the same room as my setup?
Plug a router into a second router, then plug that second router into your PC. Then connect the vr headset to that second router.
@@extremelyboredtatsumaki.495 that's what I ended up doin 👍
I only have a 3060 card. Would a $150 WiFi 6e router perform significantly better than my WiFi 6 router as far as PC VR goes?
Hello, no you will not see so much difference. Keep that one. )
I got mine wifi 6E yesterday tp link axe75. Ms is a little bit lesser then I had before. In virtual desktop mbps stays on 2400. Wifi 6 had sometimes a small drop.. but not to big of a deal. If you have the money, go for wifi 6e. And you're set for 5600 mbps fot later on.
Late to the party here. It depends. I got a wifi 6e router and it helped alot. Why?
This is because the 6ghz band is not crowded by my neighbours since none of them have 6ghz yet.
So it really helped boost the quality by a lot.
I red somewhere that it does not actually transfer more data or anything, it is mainly solves the crowded wifi issue.
Ps: remember to seperate the wifi channels in your Reuter settings, so that 6ghz is split to its own signal.
Surprising how good these Broadcom routers are getting. However I always recommend a Qualcomm router for better reception and more firmware features. I stupidly got an AX20 with broadcom but it’s really not bad.
I dont understand why ac is better than ax. AX routers support 9.6Gbps while AC only supports speeds of 3.5Gbps, not only does Ax support higher speeds but also has lower latency and wider coverage as well as better security
@@andyoo2851 Support, stability, consistent signal, and just better overall hardware. Support and stability specifically are the main factors. Broadcom chips are closed source and are provided a minimal level of support. Security patches usually.
Not to mention the ability to further update your router. But I wont say qualcomm will stay good. Qualcomm as of late, has the odd naming schemes, and have been raking in the dough. Going closed source in the future is definitely a possibility as its probably in their best interest to do so.
However Mediatek is the best for the best all around support. They dont seem like they’re gonna go closed source any time soon. AX AC and all that stuff is just naming based on speeds. AX is the new standard and AC is the older slower one. Youll find all types of chips across the two standards.
@@curbthepain I assume you are talking about just this specific router as qualcom was first company to announce end-to-end commercial solutions supporting 802.11ax specifications
@@andyoo2851 Im just talking in general now. Not specifically this router. AX was a qualcomm first but broadcom has AX too now.
are you talking about the differences between ac and ax wireless standard in general here or just with the labelling of tp link router
Hey thanks for the vídeo! Do you think this will help if I have the internet main router in the same room as my PC?
Yes for sure. I tested and its better without walls.
Do you have any other devices connected to the same wifi SSID , where you have your quest connected to?
@@lamarthe_headcrab7687 Hello, no 5Ghz connection is only for Quest 3. For other devices 4 smartphones, two tvs and lsptop on 2.4Ghz
@@almedinfilms8390 Got it, i have axe5400 - wifi6e router. And have Quest 3 exclusively on SSID with 6ghz wifi6e, still getting some stuttering... rest of the devices are on 5g / 2.4g... not sure what the issue is. maybe some bug with AX protocol. Alot of ppl report it.
Have you tried H264+ codec with 500mb bitrate? does it work with this router?
@@slhdono Yes, now Im using like that and it works. I try in MSFS 2024
@almedinfilms8390 So no stutters on 500mb? Fully playable? People keep saying the processing power of wifi 6 routers can't do 500mb
do you have any headtracking stutters in fs2020 with SSW? thanks :)
Hello, no, not for now. Even now after firmware update I can put on 200mb and works lilke a charm. )
Why is your render resolution set to 122%?
Same thing here. Is it steam vr thing or VD?
Its VD for some reason for some games is setting up automaticly. For example for MSFS is 100% for DCS World 110% for Half Life 122% and etc.
@@almedinfilms8390 I have problem because on Skyrim VR (moded) its set automatically to 140% and fps is very bad. And i cant figure how to set it up to 100%.
When i play with Rift S direcly from Display port its fine.
@@TASKEsrb steamvr resolution is set to automatic. so it changes depending on demand of the game. i always set it to 100% manual. then i change my VD setting if i feel i can hang with ultra instead of high
why do you have spacewarp on always?
Hello, the spacewarp is helping you to have smooth picture. You have 45FPS but it looks like you have more. Its motion reprojection.
@@almedinfilms8390 do you think it would look better if you were able to run at 90 fps without spacewarp?
@@differentreality449yes it would
Well, to be honest, so many routers can pull steady 200 Mbps, so I'm not sure why even go for expensive AX5400 for that. I picked this router to do 500 Mbps h264+ and so far so good, but if I only needed 200 Mbps I'd just stay with some basic AX1800.
I have almost zero knowledge about routers so I wanted to ask, why does everyone suggest wifi6e when this router is supposedly good enough for wireless?
@@suparibhau yt just deleted my comment, sorry
@@Fiztex553 what comment?
@@suparibhau exactly, my reply to you got deleted. TLDR wifi 6e is needed only if regular 5 GHz band is full or you don't know how to setup the router and just brute force the issue instead. Apparently YT deletes any social media references. Try "disk cord" of VD, there is a list of routers, and those recommendations are given to withstand 500 Mbps, not a measly 200 Mbps. Most of AX5400 routers on Qualcomm processor will do 500 Mbps in VD. And any AX1800 will do 200 like in this video. And those who really want the best networking for simulators are just buying ethernet to type C gigabit adapters, they work with Quest 3 (the ones on Realtek chips).
@@Fiztex553 Thanks for the help, I spend some time on their server and it seems that this specific router can have issues with no apparent fixes?
Great video but the text in the cockpit is not sharp in mine and I have Rtx 3080 all similar specs with the quest 3 but it’s clear in my hp G2 how you get clear text in your quest 3 for msf2020
Openxr toolkit kit and increas resolution pereye 3200 x 3400
Only RTX 40 series and RX 8000 series support AV1 encoding which outputs a higher quality than HEVC.
Additionally, HP G2 uses a direct display port connection which means there is no encoding and therefore compression of the video. Quest 3 does not have a display port connection and therefore you must stream it wirelessly with whatever codec you have available and therefore there will be more artifacts and lower quality.
Bro, your router is not ultimate as with my Asus wifi 5, I get 3 to 4 of latency at 200mbps virtual desktop. The best router is Asus wifi 6e gaming series, as those models use a fast processor capable of sustaining a constant 200mbps.
You unable to go to 200mbps is due to your router. My key learning is a fast wifi 5 router with a bandwidth of 844mbps will do better than a wifi 6 not fast. I have one wifi 6 router and am not using it due to this reason.
how can I turn on performance/connection values graph just like yours?
Its virtual desktop app use both quest 3 controllers and press pads in the same time.
Tplink is worse brand on market
wait till this dude hears about huawei
@@doomeddog5589 I am using only Ubiquity
now I am using Ubiquiti U7 PRO