Spider-Woman Controversy | Jessica Drew Got Back?
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- Опубліковано 12 лип 2024
- Spider-Woman Jessica Drew has a long and interesting history with Marvel comics from being created for copyright to years of obscurity to a ressurgence on the new avengers. This character ended up being the centre of a scandal in 2014 when a variant cover by Milo Manara was deemed too risque for issue 1. What happened? Why did it happen? How does all this tie in to Spider-Man and the Spiderverse? Find out here on Casually Comics.
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So just like Power Girl's bosom the thumb for Spider-Woman's rear was removed. Once again UA-cam shows where they stand on this debate? Lol They are not pro the Manara cover.
UA-cam is run by fanatical superstitious puritan prudes.
UA-cam keeps unsubscribing me. Its getting on my nerves. Luckily clicking on these vids are a nice compensation.
We.... Well my friend thanks you for actually including the thumbnail as the main centerpiece of the video, instead of it being nowhere to be found. He, my friend, who is not me, offers his gratitude
Won't somebody think of the children?
If I recall correctly rocket raccoon called her out about having her suit piece pointing to her lower lady part.
Readers: (are surprised to see ass panels/covers in comics)
Nightwing fans: "First time?"
I get the feeling some of those complaining are pseudo fans. Sexy poses and ass on covers is so common could one remember them all?
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@@blackrazer22 like she said this was one of the first times that comic books were talked about in the main stream. I’m sure a good portion of the truly angry outrage came from people who had never read comics.
@@bluesnake4626 much of the outrage now days is from people who don't read comics.
The Mary Sue raved about Nightwing's butt.
I seriously love how Sasha is able to talk about controversial issues without just demonizing either side
Yea some youtubers such as Comic book drake would be demonizing whatever side he doesn't agree with. I respect her by doing this.
What? Like “devils advocate”? Millions around the world do that in fact to avoid being what’s now called “canceled” you HAVE to do what this woman is doing. Do you love me for it? Do you love me for keeping status quo? Lol humans
Too true, that’s why I started watching her vids
That just means she's not willing to commit
That's the first thing I noticed about her approach.
"Imagine Spider-man in that pose"
You mean his ICONIC wall-crawling postion that's so well-known there's literally an exercise called "The Spider-Man"?
There is?! Never heard of it (exercise, not Spider-Man)
i dont know anythin bout this exercise tho
spiderman has been in alot of diferent open crotch shots over the years. lets start a "put a package on spiderman when drawing him movement" lol
HIS iconic pose is so different tho. You don’t have to have 20/20 vision to see that...
Or how about the one where he is swinging and his bulge is front an center.
"Without the sexual element, the cover is pretty boring" Honestly, I think that's my biggest issue with it.
"Imagine Spiderman in that position"
I can
I've seen it many times
He does it all the time.
I'm not exactly defending the cover but like... that's a lame attack on it, Spiderman does that weird pose a lot.
I don’t think that cover is a big deal. Spiderman isn’t drawn quite like that. He is drawn more in an action pose.
christianrapper well if it was done dozens of times then yeah I can understand, however Spider-Man has been in that pose more than once, so Spider-Woman being in that one position one time I think is ok.
The cover isn't an issue, just people screaming for attention
Ravenray 167 spiderman spiderman is not drawn like that. His butt is not sticking out in the air like that. Did you watch the whole video? He is drawn in an action pose similarly to the altered version of that spiderwoman pose that was shown near the end of the video. If he was drawn like that you would see all types of homophobic jokes and memes. That spiderwoman cover was drawn specifically to be provocative.
@@christianrapper Spiderman Has been in that pose 1500 times both on covers and in the books themselves; And he's no stranger to other poses that have either his butt or his crotch in full view. Sometimes in loving detail. The reason we don't have many homophobic jokes or memes about Spiderman is because he was a role model, he was getting it on a regular with a woman, and people like him and identify with him. To the point where there have been such memes but because he's so loved those memes don't get a lot of traction. We get more Superman is gay memes than Spiderman and if Superman was in half the poses Spiderman was in we'd get a lot more.
It could be argued that Spider-Man, who wears a form-fitted costume, is in the same pose. Actually multiple similar poses when he crawls. It's subjective.
Yeah, but they never show his
costume going into his butt crack.
@@bjmccann1 the cover to ASM #471 shows exactly that...
Yes, and if little girls who read comics found his poses in his skimpy suits attractive we'd probably have spiderman and others dressed like santa
To thine own self be true
@@bjmccann1 I just finished reading 12 erik larson spiderman comics. Petes sweatpants were going up his butt while he was shaving. Hes got a bigger muscle butt than spider woman for sure.
When I first saw this controversy I was like: "wait, so people are surprised that an erotic artist drew a slightly erotic cover?" And the pose wasn't even that far from the usual "spider-person" pose....aand it wasn't even the official cover. Damn.
Bruh the spider-verse characters have been doing poses like that for years, why now do they choose to boast over it? When i saw this spider woman image i didn't see what the problem was right off the bat because the pose is so iconic that it doesn't really strike you as offensive
I'm late on this, but I was about to sorta be on the side that maybe an erotic artist might not suit a comic on fighting action and not the other kind, but the fact that it wasn't even an official cover kinda switched me over. The fact they were arguing over essentially tribute or fan art and not a cover seen by a lot more people doesn't make sense.
@@blutygar people dont make sense. I agree
@@blutygar But Spider Woman always had a big behind in the comics even in the Silver Age of comic books.
I'm with you on the biggest "sin" of the variant cover is it's just too bland and boring; it feels like Manara was indecisive whether to make it "subtle but suggestive" or "lewd and provocative".
Marvel: releases an image of Spiderwoman showing her butt...
Fans of Nightwing: hold my beer
Good point.
I didn't get it but Nightwing is always showing Dick
Leandro Gomes There’s a relatively famous comic cover of Nightwing with some mighty glutes. Which is representative of a trend of other Nightwing covers I believe
Ah Nightwing. The greatest ass in all of comics!
I see wath you did there
"Imagine Spider-Man in that position instead, and the concept would have never gotten this far"
Except it literally did. Issue #1 of Spider-Man: House of M featured Spider-Man in an extremely similar pose, with an equally exaggerated butt, and that one was the main cover.
lol, I just had to google this and its true - his ass is work of art on that cover. But I think that the main difference is that Spidie's ass is shown very mascular. Its sexy but dinamic, its obvs that something is happening so its not just
" celebration of the male form " , it shows action. Spider-woman cover on the other hand is boring in this point of view. There is no dinamic, the only thing that s happening is her being sexy as hell. Wich is ok, just not very interesting by itself.
Whoopsie. Didn't include that did they?
I had that book.
Did Spider-Man on the cover of “Spider-Man: House of M #1” have a stupid pose? Yes. Did he have an overly-detailed butt? Definitely. Was his cover sexualized? No. Spider-Woman’s butt wasn’t the problem for a lot of people: their issue came from a concept they had trouble putting into words. It was more the fact that her pose suggested she was “displaying” herself. She was looking up, arching her back, putting her butt in the air. And it wasn’t drawn in a way indicating she was in the midst of fighting crime or doing something cool. It looked intentionally sexual, submissive, and objectified.
Lmao just looked this up. Wonder is mary sue will make an article about that ass lol
"concerned with the sexualization of women in comics" - that train left the station long before the Manara cover
Exactly, this have been happening for a long time besides the comic are actually quite tame if you compare to manga, in mean they allow to show full nudity.
One word, Starfire
1940’s Phantom Lady would like a word…
What a shame, the world is Anti-booty.
🎶"Get up, come on get down with that sick arse"🎶 🤘
especially when the country is ran by Butt- Pirates. Bend over Jack Sparrow.... I mean move over
This character has always been more sensual, one of her powers involves pheromones. It's not a big deal.
Good point on that.
That explains the whole sleeping with Spiderman thing.
“Being sexualized is part of her powers it’s not a big deal.”
You know she was created by men right?
@@crimsonvampyre602 And?
@@crimsonvampyre602 "'being sexualized is part of her powers it's not a big deal'"
you do realize, she isn't a she right? IT is ink on page, not a real person, let artists create, let those who enjoy it enjoy it.. move on... like.. all of you.
I see nothing wrong with the cover, also i never knew there was a controversy.
Like most controversies, there isn't one until it's created & propagated by those who make money off it.
This is ridiculous. I came to this video to see a bunch of possibly inappropriate drawings of Spider-woman and I get mostly talk. What a waste of time, hehe.
Seriously, though, how was the pose not “functional”? Spider-man crawls around like that all the time. I’m glad I’m not a character crawling behind him.
So the funny part about that cover and them saying Spiderman would never have had it done to him was it was an exact recreation of an old Spiderman cover just with Spiderwoman in the pose that time.
I remember when New Avengers came out in 2005 and the rest of the team in Stark Tower is watching Jessica Drew is come down the stairs in her Spider-Woman costume..
Tony Stark: Ms. Drew, may I say in the most politically correct way possible...
Luke Cage: Damn, girl.
Tony: Exactly
They explained that. She was giving off a pheramone that made people feel extreme attraction to her.
i love how ppl complaining about girls in comics dont even read them...they see a pic and spaz "women have other functions than being sexy in comics n it'd be nice to see more of that" go read x-men there is years of that you know jean or storm? both sexy/powerful, can dominate their male team members and are both interesting characters. They made two dark phoenix movies clearly the story is popular but obviously that story was just made to draw lewd pictures of jean. O.o Honestly society should be talking about the lack of fat ken barbie dolls its an unrealistic standard for a little boy to look like Ken even though its almost like little boys or fat 30year old men dont care cuz they arent the target audience for barbie.
I’m tired of these new puritans. These characters have been banging around for years, usually off panel of course. And Storm’s earliest appearances in X-men were noted for her constant nudity. I believe there’s an issue where professor x had to chastise her for this.
The grandest irony of that is, more often than not, the cover art has NOTHING to do with the story in the book. I remember buying several comics as a kid because the cover art depicted an amazing situation or conundrum for the hero(es) only to be somewhat disappointed that the actual story either never addresses the cover art or did so in a tangential way. For example, Professor X and Magneto screaming in each other's faces with "Final Face Off!" in bold letters only for them to calmly debate each other through Cerebro.
@@Dargonhuman What If..? they'd ended up in a
Revolta/Cage kind of scenario? Bizarre Bazaar.
@@essaywhu what do uou mean puritans?
@@xaviercolon9124 I mean these people who shun any type of sexualization and they think they know what is best for everyone rather than letting people decide for themselves. The puritans were the people who first settled in the USA, who were probably not exactly the most fun people to be around.
When I was collecting I bought EVERY variant cover for Wonder Woman. I'm pretty sure I put one of my comic shop owner's kid through a semester of college.
I'm pretty ambivalent about the cover. I knew about the controversy over it at the time but it was hardly the most sexualized cover I'd seen in mainstream comics and definitely not the most sexualized content.
The main thing that I didn't like about the cover is that it didn't do anything. It doesn't inform on the story or the character. It's just there which I think makes the sexualization more prominent since it's the only thing the cover has to do.
The cover might not scream "Oh my God! She's back I've waited decades!" But it definitely screams "back"
No butt.
@@georgejcox9241 No, "Baby got back."
I remember when this was a thing. As I recall, people would respond to the “they’d never put Spiderman in this pose!” with pictures of Spiderman… in pretty much the same pose with an equally emphasized rear.
There wasn’t really anything to get upset over, it was just an earlier instance of people who aren’t even comic book fans, let alone customers, making a mountain out of a mole hill.
I don’t read comics myself, but a few youtube channels I occasionally watch talk about the industry sometimes.And what has trying to cater to the people who were outraged over that cover done for the industry? Pretty much killed it. Yeah, it’s still there, but it’s been going downhill for years now and was never a huge money maker. If they don’t course correct then it won’t survive much longer.
Pretty well. Almost all the sexy and appealing things about comics have gone by the wayside and now we're stuck with literal eye cancer like Snowflake and Safespace. Outrage Puritans ruining everything for everyone.
Daniel Patterson LoL. Snowflake and Safe Space are cringey but don’t act like there’s any shortage of sex appeal in mainstream comics, a genre where everyone is hot and wears skintight clothes.
but Spider-Man coming at us crotch-first is okay to those puritans lol
@Professeur Râleur
I remember when Captain Marvel was looking like Terry Bogard in one panel.
Bladezeromus I would actually really like to see SNK x marvel or DC crossover (comic not game).
I actually did buy every single cover of this one.
You are the one.
“ Women have other functions than being Sexy in comics! “ -👌🏽Best Line
Personally I see it as just a comic cover!
But I agree it has nothing to do with the content-story inside so I see why some were up in arms about it!🤷🏽♂️ 😝 😂
There was a Spider Man cover with almost exactly the same pose a few years earlier. When I first saw this spider woman cover my first thought was "Ah they are doing a Spider Woman version of that cover."
Yeah, but they never show his costume going into his butt crack.
@@bjmccann1 Yes they do that all the time.
bjmccann1 yes they do
@@bjmccann1 Google Spiderman house of M and just look at the cover.
@@frankficcle7081 I stand corrected.
The funny thing is I was a huge fan of Milo Manara, his comics introduced me to Western Erotica. So I guess this probably was a predictable result of hiring him to work on a comic starting a super flexible spandexed woman.
I have watched a few of your videos now. I absolutely love how you present controversial topics in a way that fosters discussion and avoids judgement. It would be great if people would emulate your approach. Thanks for the content.
" a fusion between blogging and reporting... that has never quite unwound itself"
- not only funny; but I think that's perhaps the best SUMMARY of a deeper concern; that I've ever heard.
Great show, btw- but that- that concise , key, point- made me stop in my tracks.
“You’re here for two things: the cover, and the bootay”
And?
And?
Amen my friend Amen.
Reminds me of the booty warrior falice Johnson from boondocks
Basically why I’m subscribed. 😂
"Imagine spider-man in this position"
Bruh... I read a lot of spidey, you see his bum in tight fitting spandex for days; nobody complained.
If I can't imagine that character doing the thing or posing the way they're depicted and if feels out of character then it's probably been overly sexualized. Just my opinion.
I think if anything, the way things like this were handled back around that time really did a lot to promote a lot of the divisiveness we see now. It seemed like much of what went on wasn't a matter of trying to guide people towards better ideas, but rather more the mindset of 'stop it' with no way forward. It's a lot easier to tear something down than it is to build it back up and I suspect it was probably more profitable too, given the clickbaity nature of it all.
So you have a culture of people metaphorically stomping into someone's sandbox, kicking over their castle, demanding they fix it and stomping off, leaving them feeling resentful and bitter. I'm not saying everyone did it, but it seems like the most vocal ones were those that may have either deliberately or inadvertently done so.
Not everything is for everyone, don't like it , don't buy it.
Exactly
@@viktoriatheskinnynerd2674 I'm pretty sure he was referring to the cover its self. Don't like the cover, don't but the comic
That's my FAVORITE expression...👍🏾
It's not utilized enough.
@@viktoriatheskinnynerd2674 buy the same comic with the original cover...
@@viktoriatheskinnynerd2674 Considering that Milo Manara didn't do the inside art, it's a fair assessment to judge it by the cover. It's standard practice in the comic field to hire a cover-artist to draw attention to a book; especially if the inside art is weak or the story sucks or the title has low readership. It worked, apparently.
I would have hated to see the Twitter responses to the Marvel illustrated swimsuit magazine!
Thought I was the only one who had that🤔👍
Disregard Twitter on anything. They're recreationally offended.
Brad omg .
It's like the ark of the covenant in Indiana Jones. They won't be able to look at such masogenystic displays of patriarchy.
Twitter didn't exist when those swimsuit issues were released (unless they've released a new one since the 1990s).
@@DrPluton he said he would've hated to see what they would've said if Twitter was around in the 90s , that was the original post , we know it wasn't around back then
I used to read Heavy Metal and there are frequent ads for his stuff in those.
You continue to impress me with your objectivity and flow. Thank you.
OMFG, that cover was almost the exact same pose that the original Spider-Man had, and has made, dozens of times.
Also, if you really want to see some great ass shots, look up Nightwing poses.
Oh, and BTW, The Mary Sue is trash...'Sexist trash. -HERETICPRIME
Yeah, but they never show his costume going into his butt crack.
But we all know how prominent Peter's ass is in almost every form of media he's in they are just trying to make a big deal cause this is a woman.
bjmccann1 yes they did
@@bjmccann1 ASM #30 drawn by J Scott Campbell. its aaaaall up in htat crack.
@@bjmccann1 To get that costume that form fitting is to be paint on. I think the problem is that can children have access about it.
I remember this controversy (or is it "controversy"?) and the thing that stood out to me was the comparison to Spider-Man, with critics saying "imagine if Spider-Man had been drawn in this kind of figure-hugging, butt-detailed, accentuated way!" When in actuality Spider-Man had been depicted in virtually the same butt-hugging way on a cover, well before the Jessica Drew controversy.
Ultimately, people see what they want to see.
It's not inaccurate to state that Spiderman has been in similar cover poses, though I don't think he was ever drawn with such an arched back.
That being said we as a society have a habit of assuming that the female form is inherently sexual in a way that isn't codified for men, so even this subtle variation in pose probably solicited a much greater reaction from people than would have been the case if Spiderman had a cover where he had a big juicy bum on display.
Putting aside the controversy I don't know if it's really a good means to introduce the character to new readers given that she's not just a gender flipped Spiderman and has an entirely different origin and power set.
If there's anything that should be apparent it's that the artist probably wasn't familiar with the material and just drew a slightly sexier version of Spiderman with breasts and a different costume.
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Just found your content and it’s great!
Spider-Man does that pose all the time. It's not objectification
@Brainjock yes
Not female though. I don't personally care but some of the logic in the comments is faulty.
Spider-man literally had dozens of covers in this or similar poses where his overly muscly ass is center stage. Tight suits that are basically painted on a god like nude body is the history of superhero comics.
I think it's because she's not shown to be muscular and the pose is very submissive. For Spider-man it's done as an action pose.
@@owendean907 wtf are you talking about ? They both pose in the same way and spider-man isn't all that muscular.
@@owendean907 Submissive? It's not like she's getting rammed from behind. If anything it looks like she just spotted a crime taking place.
I was a regular reader of The Mary Sue back in 2014, and watched this unfold in real time. I think your discussion is fair and balanced.
Also? I love your Jessica Drew everyday cosplay.
Also, also? I think the microphone bobbing in your cleavage is its own commentary on your position on women drawing attention to their bodies.
Spider Woman was my fav Marvel character when i was a kid 10 years ago and first read comics. It's sad that the only times sites like the Mary Sue would even talk about her was in a negative light and never about any of her great moments in the comics or her wholesome relationship with her best friend Ms Marvel/Carol.
Just found your channel, love it.
Honestly when I first saw the cover i didn't think it was sexual, just more of a sexy cover because I just assumed it was intentionally showing off the back muscles and making the butt more obvious. I only was like, "oh wow this is sexual" after I looked at his other work that was on his wiki page and yeah, I think he made this with the intent of being sexual but wanting this to be censored seems weird because I feel most hero's have some comic cover that is clearly sexual in nature and thus being mad at this seems misplaced at best.
Cover was fine, literally just her doing a spidey pose, which spidey does do as it's a reference
But twitter and such uproar cause "male gaze" nonsense, the double standard
And Mary sue is a terrible journalist website
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The thumbnail brought me in & the analysis of the entire situation kept me. Good video! You got a new subscriber on TY & Follower on IG.
I guess Spider woman’s existence is just controversial.
Well 1 of her powers is emitting a pheromone that drives men wild sooooooooooooo.
Just like you IRL!
I remember this controversy and I’m going to be one of those guys who say it’s a double standard as you can find a thousand Spider-Man covers in the same exact pose. And as Sasha states it is just a variant cover. Yes it is “sexy” but it was likely supposed to be. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it. Personally I’d like to see an all male alt cover in Tom of Finland style.
Think the whole thing was over blown. Thanks for the video, very nicely done.
This was my first time seeing one of your videos and I immediately loved your style. Already subscribed :)
I think Spider-Man has even been in that same pose that people got so upset seeing Jessica in.
Yeah, but they never show his costume going into his butt crack.
bjmccann1 yes they did
@@bjmccann1 what! They total have
@@bjmccann1 oh that's a lie.
I stand corrected.
I don't see the problem with that cover art. Some people are a bit prudish. 🤷🏽♂️
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The proliferation of special events is one of the things that drove me away from comics in the 90s and have kept me from coming back as a regular reader. I love these videos though, you sum it all up and make it so much easier to access. Thanks for the awesome work.
I look at it like this. The artist has a right to draw what ever they want, but consumer has a right to not buy it. If the artist intention is mass appeal and money and not doing what they like to do that's fine but if they want to draw sexy women or men cause they like to thus making people angry or uncomfortable making less money and appeal that's fine as well.
Oh and quick side note why is it that we can have people in comics literally being eaten alive with out a controversy, but sexy women on covers gets one. Cause for my sister she doesn't read or watch certain shows or books cause she can't stand gore.
Right on like anime back in the 90's with uber gore. The "Comics Code Authority" was agreed upon by the comic book industry to banish gory comics like "true crime" comics which depicted a man holding a woman's severed head on the cover.
MRspider236 I guessed because some people are hyper sensitive toward certain things that must’ve stroked them in wrong way in some point of their life. So it becomes a “bump” in their thinking pattern....every time that “bump” comes up, they get all worked up about it. Lol.
Perfectly stated. Let the marketplace decide.
The marketplace argument doesn’t work as well because even the Big Two suck at marketing. Comics sales have been dropping over the decades and comics have been selling to a shrinking and aging demographic. A cover like this doesn’t appeal to children, their parents, adult women, or even a lot of adult men. And I don’t even think it was hypersensitive to call this cover out (which is arguably just consumers or potential consumers voicing their negative opinion of it). No other character (or at least no male character) would regularly be drawn like this. The most recent Spider-Woman #1 was the top-selling comic of March 2020. Jessica Drew was depicted on its cover in her classic costume, which was skintight to show off all of her idealized curves. But she also looked athletic, the situation looked action packed, and the comic cover suggested fun and excitement. None of this is in the Milo Manara cover.
@@commandercody1078
But why does that matter? People who do not want to see those things always had the option to not see them, those that want should likewise have the option to buy and read comics of their own liking.
It's one thing to have opinions and allow people to dislike stuff, but this censorship business is little more than just dictatorship by people who at the end of the day never cared about the things they complain about.
That's what you get when you hire an artist noted for erotica art. *"Reap what you sow"* comes to mind.
Exactly. It's not like Manara sprang a last-second surprise on them. He gave the editor what was asked of him- a sexy cover. Freaking out about the art itself is missing the target. If any animus needs to be directed anywhere, it's at Marvel editorial.
Dr Donald Blake lLMAO RIGHT ON. !
I've been gone from comics buying & reading for 16 years. not going back but I happened on one of your videos. saw a couple more including this one, then gladly subscribed. happy to be on board.
Great video and badass casual Elektra look
I didn't even know this was a controversy. Also, glad Sasha has her own channel now.
The problem with that cover is that it was simultaneously lewd AND terrible. If it was only one of those, it wouldn't have sparked any controversy. High-quality, interesting, sexy covers are usually fine (and you showed a few of those). But if it's boring, anatomically incorrect, AND lewd, that's just bad in so many different ways and deserves the controversy. I'm sad you didn't show any of the Hawkeye Initiative takes on this cover, they are really funny and really drive home the point.
Love your videos! I think they wanted to bring attention to her return and they did that well! The fact that there was so much controversy behind it made it a win on their side!
This is the first video of yours that I have ever seen. I think you did a very well balanced and sensible take on the subject. Good job!
I always loved that cover. I also love Michelangelo's David. Art should have no shame, and never bow to intolerance. I am a heterosexual male, and I do revere the female form, but art is art.
I love Drew's red outfit so different from Spider-Man...speaking of red looking good Mrs. Sasha
I remember when this cover came out - it was quite a few years after I had stopped reading comics (I stopped right around Civil War I), and my reactions to Spider-Woman at the time were related to my apathy for comics at the time. I remember thinking that while Milo Manara was an interesting choice as he's known for erotic comics, he just couldn't pull off the stylization needed for superheroes: Jessica Drew looks like she's in body paint, because Milo's style just . . . doesn't work with the bodysuit aesthetic of supers. He's not willing to stylize enough for the body to appear like it's in a skin-tight outfit. I also remember, well, being pretty Bendis'ed out at the time. He'd gone from writing Powers and Alias to writing EVERYTHING, and I wasn't interested at all in seeing him to what I perceived as a ho-hum take on a mainstream character in an established continuity -- and, honestly I had never been a big Spider-Man fan in the first place, if you can believe it.
I think the body paint look bothers me more than the pose really, now that you mention it. They're all in skin tight suits all the time, but there's subtle details that make it work. This isn't the only time I've got that body paint vibe, either, so it's not just this cover that I dislike it on.
The Hawkeye Initiative of sexy variance covers are hilarious but also make a point
(Laughing as I read the title... Sasha’s going to have fun with this)
Outrage!
That Outrage artist vs. Frank Cho was an amazing series of covers.
@@miafillene4396 YES! Now whenever I see Spider-Gwen, I hear "OUTRAGE!" Also, I get hungry for wheat cakes; seriously, if I ever discover that the Pancake industry had paid off Cho, I wouldn't be surprised.
Controversial. Scandalous. Lol. We love it and want more.
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"You can show up, and anybody's dead..." Cold hard truth, especially in the 90's. Not even Superman was safe, for crying out loud.
***WARNING**** controversial comment:
It was all manufactured drama from people desperate for attention.
If Wizard magazine was still being published at that time and THEY said something critiquing the cover, THAT would have been a The Rock-style eyebrow raising "hmm,maybe we should rethink this" situation.
The fact people shunned Marana's defense (and frankly he didnt need to defend his work) goes to show how short minded they are because THEIR sensibilities were offended. That's not a Manara thing, that's a YOU thing.
He comes from a world culture where sex and/or sex appeal isnt an issue.
Who was the cover catering to? Manara fans or Marvel/Spider-Woman fans? and before you answer remember it was an ALTERNATE cover.
Spiderman is in spread eagle poses on almost every cover and nobody says anything. Double standard anyone?
And his suit is drawn in a way where it can just be his skin lol
Great job on the videos
Great vid!
Big booty spider woman? I think I just found my new favorite hero 😅🤷🏽♂️.
😂😂😂😂😂
Imagine having so few problems in your life that a fictional character's butt on a comic book cover is a source of outrage and controversy.
I normally despise the term "first world problems" as a means of being dismissive of very real struggles a lot of people go through, but in this case, it's very fitting.
My thought exactly and judging by his replies so does the artist's
She literally talked about this in the video.
Did you even watch it?
@@Melkac So I'm not allowed to repeat the point to show my agreement with her? Is that how this works now, only one person in the world is allowed to say the thing?
@@Dargonhuman
Triggered.
@@alexnorth3393 lmao wha?
Please heavens don't let anyone know that Cherry Poptart exists...
I just discovered your channel in today morning, and i was just spellbound in your storytelling. You left me with no option but to subscribe. Btw it was that Power Girls video.🤓
Honestly, that pic just looks uncomfy. Can you imagine wearing a costume where the bottom gets sucked up into your bottom like that? Wince. lol
The MCU Behind-the-Scenes footage you never knew you wanted: just two hours of Tom Holland picking wedgies out of his crack.
Comic book tights tend to do that on other body parts. How many super heroes wear shirts so tight that they get sucked into every crevice to expose his six-pack?
that's a know staple of spandex in general. which super heroes are known for wearing.
I never really saw a problem. I mean sure it's "out there" for discussion "but" I don't think it's a "big deal" wow... Maybe it was I went back and added the quotes because I noticed the quotable words. Any who, people always need a reason to complain. It's all good. Oh and yeah I remember Barbarella 👍🏾😎
'First, you get one paddle...'
I approve of this instruction. And would likely improve upon it.
Holy crap. 6 years? I think the best thing to come out of it is all the Frank Cho parodies. Thanks for bringing this back around.
I don't know, I was very distracted by your bouncing microphone.
Lol I noticed the wiggly microphone too.
It was glorious 😀
Talking about "sexy" distractions - microphone.
Love that you can be absolutely bipartisan on these topics. No absolute judgement but a few quips to let us know where you might stand.
Very nice microphone
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Thank you for the video. It seems truly fair and balanced.
As a former Roman Catholic, I remember an organization called the Legion of Decency, a Catholic organization that criticizes books, movies, comics, TV shows. They have no real direct political power, but a cultural one. However, in my more religious days, I felt uncomfortable with its authoritarian tendencies. It was an organization that used the freedom of speech to control how people think. All have the right to their opinion, but it tried to shame others into silence. In the world of social media, The Mary Sue and other websites like that act like the Legion of Decency. This controversy seem like censorship and click bait to me.
I’m happy I found this channel
Noelle has crazy Michelle Bachman eyes. That explained everything to me after watching Faux-Ra.
Nice one. I like She-Wrong myself.
I remember when Captain America: The Winter Soldier came out. Every woman I knew fanned themselves as they discussed the helicopter scene, where Chris Evans showed off those biceps. I'm sure my friends and I are not the only females who swooned over Cap's guns. I'm also pretty sure that those same women are offended by this Spider-Woman drawing. To them, I say this, "HYPOCRITE! You sexualized a comic book character, too. And if you say, no, you were 'admiring' Chris Evans - the actor, the man - that's even worse! You objectified a human being. Shame on you!"
I believe it was Civil War.
Woman here and i loved BOTH!^_^
We need more love and a lot less spite.
Not to mention the whole "America's ass" sequence in _Avengers: Endgame_
I'm not exactly sure if staring at biceps and staring at someone ass is the same but I get what you mean
I love cheesecake in my comics! And I even think the artist is fine (in some contexts). But this cover was a huge miss for me at the time. The posing is just bad.
I also appreciate you putting this ‘controversy’ into context. 2014 was a wild time.
Dear Ms Wood,
Again, a Brilliant Analysis Beautifully presented.
One thing tho, Respectfully, your lapel mic needs adjusting.
Unless you were suggesting a subtext?
love
Steve Holliday
Particularly to those who are familiar with his previous work, especially fans of European comics and erotic illustrations, this cover serves as a good reminder of how uncannily charming, and wonderfully beautiful, Milo Manara's art is.
Sasha, thank you so much for your voice of scholarly reason in reviewing controversy. I'm so fed up with seemingly 70-80% of the comic commentators banging on and on about "wokeness". It's refreshing to find someone who will explore a controversy without devolving into a polemic screed. Thank you.
Oh my Lord, so amazing. It's probably been 20 years since I've heard the word vehemency used. Very nice. 15:42 min.
I'd like to see you do a video going more in depth on the "Hot Guy" series and the effect, if any, it had on book covers and even the artists involved. I thoroughly enjoy your content, great fun, great channel
I like how the one article tried to explain how anatomically possible the position was, when you can question that with probably over 70% of superhero poses regardless of gender.
the wedgie must be painful there lmao
on topic: I used to be on the "anti-skimpy comic book characters" camp but have chilled out since then.
Neat! UA-cam automatically took me from a video of yours where I commented on market forces to a video where you comment on market forces yourself. I really appreciate your clear-eyed perspective on everything. I think it's helpful and necessary. I don't think you're being critical at points just to avoid heat or cater to people too much, I feel like I'm getting an honest opinion carefully delivered.
Some t&a makes everyone's day!
Maybe one day we will stop caring what the people on Twitter has to say.