Spider-Man Is The WORST? Marvel What If #19
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- Опубліковано 15 тра 2020
- Spider-man is a long beloved Marvel comics character so it makes sense that there are numerous alternate universe/multiverse stories out there, including what ifs. The Marvel What If comic series asks a variety of questions about superheroes and super villains alike. Questions like what if Uncle Ben had lived? What would that do for Peter Parker? Find out here on Casually Comics.
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Check out what if Spider-Girl...the first time it happened lol
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Please go over what if J Jonah adopted Spider-Man.
I find that the majority of What-If's about Peter Parker believe one thing: Peter Parker is always *THIS CLOSE* to going evil or snapping
Also no Mary Jane. Why wonder why...
HAVE YOU SEEN HIS LIFE?
@@ThePatxiao I came to say this. Peter has a rough life and it would be very easy to use that as justification to go evil. I always kind of thought that was part of the point of Spider-Man. He had Uncle Ben and that turned what could have otherwise been a morally questionable guy with super powers into your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man.
I mean, he is from New York.
The Daredevil issue you were referring to was #1. Page 14. He's making his first outfit. He admits to being no "Betsy Ross" but says he should be able to handle it. The next panel he says, "I can even blend the colors for each colored fabric has a different feel to me!"
Yeah too bad he couldn't remember what those colors looked like. "Red? That's that dark color, right?"
I can't take this out of my mind...
Can...
Can normal, non blind supernatural super hero people do it?
The issue of Daredevil's supposed ability to distinguish colors by touch came up a few more times - here's a longer discussion - www.theothermurdockpapers.com/2009/09/wacky-power-17-sensing-color-by-touch/ .Hey, is DD's ability to tell colors by touch any less believable than his origin story?!
@@cyberry the colors reflecting different amounts of heat bit is clever and a stretch so far the writer must have practiced yoga.
I have no idea what they were thinking with the "pocket chemicals".
All of this could have been explained away easily by saying the materials themselves felt different, a different thread count or something, but nooooo... they had to dig deeper and sink lower.
I love Daredevil, but sometimes he's written so badly.
@@JS-hw8ve Well its not that unbelievable. I mean on an electromagnetic spectrum the light wave of blue generates more heat than that of red. It goes from red to violet in terms of heat. Its why blue flames are warmer than orange and that blue stars are warmer than orange.
I really like this look at Spidey. People forget it but in that original Steve Ditko run, Peter Parker really had a huge ego and a chip on his shoulder even after uncle Ben. He's even played on the idea of doing selfish things with his powers still, the difference is that he sticks to his guns. Throughout the comic, starting with the John Romita Sr run, he actually gained some friends and regular pals and he slowly begins to open up and emotionally mature as he becomes an adult. He really developed as a character, and thats something most movies and TV shows don't really acknowledge.
I have a few ideas for what if:
What if Aunt May were Green Goblin?
What if Donna Troy had only one origin story?
What if JJ Abrams and his son wrote actually good Spider-Man comic?
I prefer What If Abrams and son didn't write a Spider-Man Comic
@@jimmyju76 Could be worse, imagine Ryan Johnson writing Spider-Man.
J.J Abrams Spider-Man is basically the Dark Knight returns of Spider-Man.
It's considerably better than Dark Knight Returns imo.
@@francessonder it sure is.
@@user-ManofStyle1 I think DKR is good, I guess my bias to Spider-Man is probably what made me like it more, nostalgia is a powerful drug.
But I prefer the art in J.J Abrams Spider-Man is considerably. Not a big fan of the borderline Rob Liefeld buff aesthetic.
"Spider-man: Superhero Manager" is definitely a comic I would read
"I don't know know why I'm singing..." - Sasha, it's your show, you can sing if you want!
"Safety Dance"
Sasha dance.
2:00 - "With the death of a family member comes a vigilante lifestyle". So that's why I haven't devoted my adult life to fighting crime! Well, that and the fact I was only bitten by a radioactive desk.
“Desk man desk man, does whatever a desk does. Stay in place, provide support. But do not hide under it though”
@@mslightbulb just don't be around when I flip my lid!
Desk man has the ability to be hopelessly in dept
I hadn't heard of the What If series before and this one sounds great. Jameson's arc was fascinating. Seeing how his arbitrary hatred of Spidey morphs throughout the story was so engaging because it feels so grounded. Seeing someone so invested in the the idea of 'good' bend his morals to take down an evil that doesn't exist works really well for his character. The ending in particular packs a punch. The writers effectively recreated a character defining moment and I would love to see this premise expanded upon.
I mean I totally dig this. Acting as a publicist and agent for mutants... he could do a lot of good, recruiting and managing societal fears. Basically becoming the face of superheroes so that people aren’t afraid. The spider-man brand would be really great for most heroes to fall under, and then he manages to put away some crime bosses and exposes media corruption to boot? This version of peter probably did more to combat organized crime and enable other heroes than he ever accomplished by himself as a vigilante, lol.
I was 12 years old when this issue first came out. I was so freaked out by the way Pat Broderick penciled the before/after side by side panels of Peter. The first panel shows us Peter when he was still innocent,... then the next panel is him looking all wild-eyed with long hair, and being the big rich movie mogul! Those two panels have haunted me till this very day... I say that without exaggeration! all of my therapists know the story, because of my telling it to them, lmao! In my late teen years I realized my life was mirroring #19. Those two panels popped up vividly in my mind and I promptly changed my life. To this day I tell this story as a cautionary tale to others who are going down similar paths.
The character "Annie" seen when Peter steps out of the limo is actually a real comic character. Many have heard of "Little Orphan Annie", even if they've never seen the strip . "Little Annie Fanny" OTOH was a strip in the Playboy magazine of the time, drawn by - ~~Harvey Kurtzman~~.
Wow!
Little Annie Fanny and Wanda her friend. Written by Kurtzman. Will Elder paints
@@edwardperez315 Thanks! I should have verified it and not relied on my memory.
Came here to write this. Glad you caught it. I don’t think those strips were ever reprinted.
Yep. I came here to comment on this too. That is Little Annie Fanny, Wanda, and Harvey was her "boyfriend".
Last time I was this early, Hal Jordan was still clumsy in the comics
I loved the hairstyle shift into full sebastian shaw 11:37
I love that DD is still his friend and its more that spidy has a difficult personality now but is still a carrying person.
To be fair, Peter mostly became a crime fighter out of guilt, because he had the opportunity to do good, but didn't use it, and personally suffers because of it, and if the mugger just shot someone elce and stole their car, Peter probibally would just chalk it up to life in new York and wouldn't have perused him
I love the idea of electro biding his time on the writing staff while yelling about how the third act wont make sense if he loses his web shooter in the second act or whatever
7:25 Spidey hit em with the Trump line "you're from fake news aren't you"
More like Trump taking lines from Spidey
lmao
I'm loving how many of you are here for the JJJ destruction in these comment, y'all are ice cold I'm here for it lol.
You are doing potent work here. Please sustain momentum. Thank you for your insights and contributions.
Jjj deserves it
How did you get that fucked up scar over your left eyebrow?
@@1bridge11 ....she has a DEEP backstory, and you will NEVER get it with a request like that, gee-whiz; some tact bruh.
He deserves it.
I absolutely am in love with What If stories. The idea of a simple event being changed could have drastic effects on thcharcater we know is a super cool concept. And I do dig what they did with this story. I do like to think that Peter went on to be the hero Spider-Man with perhaps some alterations. Like perhaps in Ultraforce similar to Hardcase he'd be a star and a hero.
A couple years later, they did a What If Gwen Stacy Had Lived? I remember that one as being a lot better, but that was decades and decades ago.
I love that you read the panels with a different voice for each character!
this issue actually ended really sad. the panel with Jameson at the end was the first time I think I ever felt for his character. this issue is not as messy as I thought. I'm glad it ended the way it did.
Did we ever find out if Daredevil survived or not?😰😱😭
Aren't the comic guys Stan Lee (dark haired one with mustache and glasses off) and Steve Ditko (standing one with fair hair)... the creators of Spider-Man?
This is REALLY INTERESTING. In all honesty, you have to kind of feel for Jonah here at the end. I think you've inspired me to pick this book up!
It's almost difficult to figure out who's living the "What if". It almost like what if J. Jonah became an alcoholic and the story takes us through the dominoes that fell around him breaking his last fibers of sanity. If they would add just one more page he'd be emptying his third bottle filling the first with his sorrow.
"What if Sasha had a Casually Music UA-cam Channel instead a Casually Comics one ?"
I am on the fence for JJJ. Yea, he is probably more of Spider-man's Archenemy than Green Goblin. But no one should loose a child. The What Ifs are cool. There are some good ones out there I love the What if they had where Venom takes over Hulk and Thor.
I remember the long haired evil looking Peter Parker scaring me when I was a kid
I love the voices you do for the dialogue! That last scene with Jonah in this video was awesome!!!
I found you through my discover feed, and they finally made a good call in terms of content I would enjoy!
Just came across this today, but already loving your content👍🏽
I'm very much enjoying the greater frequency with which you've been posting videos lately and they can be a bright spot in the apparently never ending days of being stuck indoors. I always enjoy videos where someone talks with knowledge, humour, and wit about something they are passionate about even if it's something I'm not into myself. Your channel has been a favourite of mine since the start as you do all that about a subject area I'm fascinated by. Please keep them coming and thank you.
Soooo looking forward to more of these!!
Hope to see at least a few more!!
Loving your "voice-overs." All kinds of entertaining. Tuning in forever!
Fascinating What-If! I'd want to know more about this Peter, and I now see the reference that was made in the last episode of the old cartoon.
I found your channel by accident but I am so here for all of the low-key shade you give. The best part you know comics. Keep up the awesome work!
I never thought about how Peter’ life would be if he stopped the robber of the tv station as he was leaving. For that to happen Ben lives and Peter goes onto be a big star! Insane! So he uses his fame to become a movie producer?! Sasha you are blowing my mind with this video! I never read What If, do this is facinating! That fact Peter didn’t save John Jamison for the shuttle crash and he died is huge! Jonah blames Spider-Man for his death and hates him for that(understable, his only son is dead) The reveal of his writing team to be the sinister six is bizzare but it works! Great explaination if this story I didn’t know existed.
My LCS reopens to curb side pickup..get to read everything I missed before these crazy times and now this video out today! what a great comic day! keep up the great work!
I've only just recently stumbled across your channel but I really like the way you talk about the story and any other info connected to it too.
Just found your channel.
Love it.
Thanks for it.
I have 2 favorite What It's
The What If Captain America lived volume 1
and
What If The Invaders stayed together volume 1 also
I was such a big fan of the What If series. I had a pretty decent sized collection at one point. You should totally cover more of them!
Found this channel one week ago and I keep watching all the videos (and put half of the comics on my buying list.
You took a rather throw away issue of what if and made it really fun with the jokes and observations.
Honestly these videos are the closest thing I have to sharing my interest with other people. Your content is interesting and you make a phenomenal and charismatic host. I am recommending these videos to everyone I know who has an interest in comics and superhero fiction.
Also, this is now my favorite Spiderman story. I hope it gets a movie adaptation one day.
Awesome video! Glad I found this channel
the avengers are not vigilantes, because iron man worked a deal with the gov for access and clearence, they work with shield.
Also, you are AWESOME.
10:50 yep, I remember that one as well. .. or something close. . . it was hearing the different frequencies of the colours as the traffics lights changed, and I thought 'I hear colours too' but it was synesthesia, not superpowers 🙂
18:05 the way the lights are set up makes your glasses looks like Doctor Octopuss goggles.
The Superior Sasha-Woman!
You make this stuff so much more fun.
In Daredevil #1, he could feel the colors of the thread like a texture. Also, yellow and red were his dad's colors as a boxer (his robes and trunks).
I never would know this story existed. Very dope keep with the videos.
Definitely do more of these what if stories
OMG, you hit on the head the reason why I couldn’t seem to enjoy modern What Ifs? Even though it was nearly my favorite comic growing up.
Love the new filming location!
You kill me with the Spider-Man voice as well as JJJ!!! Continue on what you do Ms. Sasha!!!
What-if went too far in September of 1983... and it was glorious. It was also the infamous "Assistant Editors Month" where are the big shots were elsewhere, and insanity ensued. (Anyone remember "Bernie America"?)
As always, thank you so very much for the videos.
Your readings of Uatu's lines remind me of how Lawrence Fishburne read his lines for the Neversoft Spider-Man game.
Love this channel🎬🎥please don’t stop.
This is possibly my favourite what-if so far. The plot is well thought-out and I love where everyone goes. I'd be happy if this became a proper series and got revisited with another comic.
I love this "What If" great story thanks for sharing it.
I really liked your dramatic reading of this issue. Do a Frank Miller batman story? Also that purple eye shadow is popping.
Love your channel, good content and you're pretty darn funny. You should cover What If Prof X Became Juggernaut and What If the Alien Costume Possessed Spiderman - those were both great ones.
I have read this and look at it different. Spidey was just acting like some rich ceo jerk sure but a villain i do not think so, as for Jamason he brought it on himself by going after Spidey
These are some awesome videos
In Daredevil #1 (by Bill Everett, Stan Lee and Steve Ditko) he mentions that he can feel colors, so that would allow him to blend different colors together
Great videos, Sasha.
Loved it and the way you think about comics
I used to envision the Watcher's voice having a majestic cosmic tone, but since the Dark Knight Rises, I can only hear Bane's voice coming out of him...
Did many of the What If stories ever feature happier endings that the main continuity? The only one I can think of is the one that introduced Spider-Girl (though that ended the career of Spider-Man, so not perfectly happy I guess). The ones I mainly remember are from the early 90s run where they went the easy route and mostly stuck with alternative stories from major crossover events. Usually almost everybody dies, often at the hands of a corrupted hero.
I just discovered your channel a couple days ago, and am quite enjoying my dive into your archive! Keep up the great work!!
I have that What If #4 you showed. Got me into the whole What If idea. I wonder if Marvel ever thought of continuing these stories past these issues.
Isn't the Amazing Spider Girl from a What If?
12:18
I thought the billboard was Spiderman giving everyone the middle finger.
The early "What If...?" comics are so wonderful. They were basically Stan Lee doing the Marvel version of "The Twilight Zone", but more zany and meta, and less philosophical. That said, I absolutely adore "What If Doctor Strange Were a Disciple of Dormammu?" which is just absolutely delightful and surprisingly deep.
Stan Lee didn't write a single issue of "What If." "What If" was largely Roy Thomas's brainchild and baby until former Editor-in-Chief and Stan's protege "Roy the Boy" left for DC after a rift with new E-i-C Jim Shooter ca. 1980. This particular issue, though, was written by Peter B. Gillis and edited by Denny O'Neil and Mark Gruenwald.
By the late-seventies, Stan's involvement with the comics was quite minimal. He had relocated to California by then and was concentrating on making deals with Hollywood studios to option Marvel properties for cartoons, live-action TV series, and films (which often failed to materialize). Stan had largely finished writing comics by 1973.
I didn't mean to imply his literal hand having a part in the stories' creation. What I meant is that the approach was to take Stan Lee's characters and to filter them through the lens of Rod Serling. Stan had finished writing scripts himself for the most part, yes, but he was still the most influential figure in comics and certainly for Marvel at that time. Nowhere is that more evident than in "What If...?", especially in the issues that centre on the characters he co-created with Steve Ditko and Jack Kirby (which is what the first run of the title mostly focuses on). This Spidey issue, the aforementioned issue with Doctor Strange, and issue 11, "What If the Fantastic Four Were the Original Marvel Bullpen?" are a testament to this fact.
I read this when it first came out. (old guy) Back then I was in awe at this story and how well it meshed with the then existing Marvel universe. But I think there's a reason it was done so well. It came out shortly after a 3 set reprint of the first 21 Amazing Spider-Man episodes, one of the first big (though only on 5x8" format, so not life-sized big, just complete) series reprints to come out. So writers had reason to believe that readers would know the back stories. That may be why this issue was willing to take it to such depth. I loved this issue and recognized What If Issue 19 even after all these years. I think it's the only classic issue that struck me so well that I memorized the number. Still remember most of the panels you showed even after all these years..
Love this and how you comment on it its really fun :D
Yes as we experts all can tell by the cover that if Spider-Man detained the man and avoided The tragedy of Uncle Ben then he'd have been a full time stunt man like he planned to be.
lmao. I loved your criminalized and shady spider man voice over 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The original What If? comic run was just fantastic. It took so many of our beloved heroes to some very dark and sometimes weird places. One of my favorites was What if the X-men lost Inferno? which was a really great crossover series in of itself.
I'm glad you liked the story. It was one of my favorites to do--and yes, I really did want to go as far as I could with it.
20k is rushing forward; congrats!
I don't know why but I always end up on a comics channel when I'm sewing .. love the video tho I've been watching your videos for the past 2 hours 😁
10:14 THAT'S how Daredevil got his HUGE HIT of a Netflix show! In order to repay the favor, Matt Murdoch defended Peter Parker in the court.😅
Uatu The Watcher.... .the intergalactic Rod Serling. I loved this comic series. 👍😎 Plus, the art in this particular issue looks like the great Steve Dicto's style.
I would love to hear you comment about the x-men! THey have a lot of hilarious stuff , your humour is amazing i love how you make fun of comics. I casually find myself laughing at comics, like when Jean is in the hospital after the Phoenix thing, and they showed how Wolvie cared too much that he actually bought her flowers but then they all treated him bad and he got mad and throw them away. It was hilarious to me lol
I enjoyed this. It made me subscribe. Please do more in the future if you can.. Thanks.
Those are great books & I'm glad they're re-releasing them in tpb. I'm currently reading vol. 3.
"Cyclops-O's" - crunchy golden cereal loops with ruby-red marshmallow centers...? I think we've got a hit!
11:00 that sounds familiar! The daredevil color thing I swear I’ve heard it before
What an interesting top! Never seen anything like that before, very cool
Her reading the panels and doing voices is just the best!
I have that issue. And it was really fun. I love the What If comics. One of my favourites is what is Conan the barbarian was in the 20th century. I think the fact that he fights Captain America, but Cap Sees him as a moralistic person it’s pretty awesome.
Your reviews have reminded me of how poignant those story arcs were, when they were first printed. i am glad that a young person such as yourself sees that same value that i saw 20+ years ago. thank you for the memories.
Could you possibly do a video to highlight non-superhero comics? Maybe make it a weekly feature?
I follow so many comic book channels, and they all (understandably) focus on superheroes (and I say this as a superhero fan). But there's so many great books that get overlooked. Regardless, you're doing a great job. Thanks for reading the comments.
Well, it totally went the way I expected... because I read it when it came out. And, (pool scene) that's how they wrote it, because it was 1978. EVERYTHING in 1978 had lines like that.
Suggestion: Do one on #44 of the original series: What if Captain America were revived today? (1983)
It's very, very [fill in in the blank additional "very"s] relevant to today.
It is mentioned on Daredevil #1 and #60 about his capacity to "feel" the colors
Never thought I'd see Spiderman say that.
Another great video! If you read What if Peter Parker had to destroy Spider-Man, you'd see that some What If writers barely knew anything about the characters they were writing about.
Just discovered you and you might be the best thing on UA-cam.
Love these videos. Do you have any Cheetah or Tigra episodes planned?
This needs to be an episode or a movie
I adore you. You are awesome! Also I love that your Spider-Man voice is like a Looney toons version of Bugsy Malon. Awesome sauce "Meyah Meyah See"!
I remember the color thing for DD also, I think it was in one of Kevin Smiths issues... because I'm pretty sure those are the only ones I've read.