Ecoboost 2 0 vs 2 3 Engine Internals and Failure Modes
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- We go over some of the similarities and differences between the Ecoboost 2.0 and 2.3 engine internals. We also go over the common failure modes. This specifically pertains to the performance vehicles that have these engine: The Focus ST, Focus RS, and Ecoboost Mustang
I'd like to see them using better (forged) pistons and rods in the ecoboost engines. You need a strong rotating assembly on turbo engines that are being pushed to outperform the larger displacement engines they're replacing. Plus it gives more headroom for the customers that crave even more power from these little gems.
I got a cracked ring-land on a new Focus ST @ 6k miles and was utterly disappointed. Glad to see they improved that.
didn't improve it on the ST tho.
KaiForce tuned?
I also got a cracked ringland with my 1.5 ecoboost. Part of it actually separated
hmmm steel inserts in an aluminum piston it's strange to me how that would work as steel and aluminum expand different amounts, different speeds, and at different temps.
melding of two cast materials is possible as you may know that the iron-lined aluminum block is generally better than say the Nikasil sprayed Porsche aluminum block as it is more long-lasting. If the iron or steel is on the edge of the aluminum then it should he able to expand unrestrained and not crack the aluminum
21 Explorer Timberline with 2.3 ecoboost. Very impressive. I changed everything to Amsoil with archoil ar6200 fuel additive ....the Timberline 2.3 pulls strong. Next up is 5 star tuning
Maybe we should get into tuning the trucks …
Hello, hope you can see this comment, i would like to share with you a case of engine failure in a Jaguar XE, which has the same 2.0 ecoboost engine: The owner stopped at a gas station to put some gas, however they mistakenly put diesel on it. This gas station is right before a huge climb, it probably ran full throttle for around 10minutes before bogging down and shutting off. After towing it to the shop, we drained the gas, fill it up with fresh gas, replaced the spark plugs, and it fired, it was very smokey and rough but eventually it ran better. However it would idle in 3 cyl, a misfire code on cyl #3 was set. We did a compression test on that cyl and its dead, 50psi max. Also lots of blowby, even when doing the compression test. Car is a 2016 with 30000kms, so it will go to the dealership. We are looking for the causes of this engine failure, do you think gasoline mixed with diesel can result in pinging and eventual failure?
Very informative, thanks Alex!
I'd be interested to know how strong the eco boost design is compare to the VAG EA888 engine.
you should let us know! similar engines
Great video, would like to see more on valve, Springs and cams
The piston failure is due it being the leanest area of the crown which will over heat that area.
The 2.3 rod failure is due to higher angularity because of the longer stroke and increased acceleration and deceleration loads due to rod to stroke ratio
Thanks Alex, great video and very informative. Yeah I have been reading on the forums, piston failure is common for the ST. Some stock, mainly modified cars and mainly 13 to 15 ST's.
FreSTrada420 I see you. Hahahaha.
troutstag hahaha awesome brother, I am gonna go with Stratified for my final Stage 3 tune 🙌! Need to pop and crackle like crazy 🔥😱!
FreSTrada420 How that work out for you?
@@colinshaw50 my stratified tune is the shittiest tune i own, so hopefully it went okay for him and nothing happened. I won't run it unless I absolutely have to
Cheers! I have always wanted to know great vid! I have a 2.0 built block with a 2.3 head...this video makes me still feel confident in this combo. 22k miles strong 💪
George Carter any tips for making the change to the 2.3 head?
Would a 2.3 mustang automatic flex plate work on a 2.0 ecoboost?
fantastic break down
So if you put a big turbo on the ecoboost 4cyl and made it for top end over torque, it would last longer?
The money you are going to spend for a bigger turbo, you might as well sell the mustang and get the V8 GT model.
Thanks this great info
Have you worked with a newer twin scroll 2.0? I am interested in what these motors will take as I know they did a good bit of redesign
Great vid ! Thanks for the info.. awesome
Is this two point oh engine unique or only found in the USA? I have a 2 point zero ecoboost engine in my car.
good morning everyone.
I bought an ecoboost mustang a short while ago.
I would like to know How many horsepower the internal stock parts support without giving me problems with breakages.
Many variables to account for here as even a stock motor can fail. Overall the 2.3 can safely handle 350-400whp long term if well taken care of and tuned.
If you're not already, I'd join an ecoboost/mustang forum where tons of information to answer questions like yours exist.
You will get real world figures from people who've experienced full to moderate builds...power limits...etc. I'm pretty sure there isnt an upgrade, bolt-on, removal, tuning, tire, brake, interior upgrade, etc question you might have that's not already answered if you just search forums. ^_^
@@dham99
thanks.
I started the changes on my ecoboost a little while ago .... but I think I will not go beyond 400whp.
I want to have a car that will not bring me problems with engine breakdowns and I am not willing to exchange pistons and connecting rods for sturdier parts.
Does ecoboost mustangs have engine issues before reaching 100k?
Common to see engine failure before 80k
It’s so rare though.
@@BIendtecc alot of the engine failure is due to people abusing the cars and lugging them a lot
Martin Valencia yeah true
20k throwing cel and wrenchs on me after multiple tunes after a year nothing to crazy. All pro tuners cobb and sct unleashed and ssi
This weekend I'm going to have a look at an ST wagon 2013 2.0 ecob. My question, are there any known issues with this block? Or other type of related problems?
Thank you!
Check spark plugs and compression. Make sure car is taken care of.
@StratifiedAuto I have one of your flash tunes on my car, just installed it today. I was getting decent corrections between 0 and -2.00 (-2.00 being the highest) for most of my test run, then on the last pull, I shifted to 5th at around 75mph, 4500 rpm, and immediately cylinder 4 hit -3.65 This was alarming to me, and I remembered my teachings on the forums to NEVER boost in higher gears. I reset the AP values and did a few more pulls and the high correction did not return, only seeing corrections at a high of -1.65. So its definitely uncommon.
Also, my AFR sits around 11.10-11.30 in WOT pulls when reading live data, but I must be hitting lower for split seconds because on the min/max values I saw a 10.58 after the pull was over and i was at cruising speed in 6th. (that was not live, that was after the pull, past recorded lowest value). My OAR is at -1 and my Fuel Pressure is around +/- 2k psi. Boost pressure maxes out at 22.7 psi.
How would you say my car is doing judging by these numbers? I want my engine to last a long time, the car is my daily and I dont want to see her die...shes my baby lol.
Hi, I recommend contacting us as a reply to your tune email rather than through youtube. Some knock is normal and all vehicles will experience it and your does not sound excessive.
Did you buy a revision also when you purchased the e-tune?
It's a block failure soft spot on the back block between cylinder #2 and #3.
is the 2.0 ecoboost engine made in spain , better than the same engine made in the usa.. the engine made in spain engine has a exhaust manifold seperate from the usa version, that is part of the head..i have a 2014 fusion with the Spanish engine
Unfortunately same situation here - failed piston on a 2.0l ecoboost 176 kw engine in a 2013 Ford S-max with 100000 kms. Very disappointed.
Did you change the piston?
Is this were the 1 step colder plugs help to reduce problems like the ones you showed here?
They do guard against pre-ignition and Ford prescribed 2 step colder with their FRPP tune (although they do get fouled and are a little too cold in my opinion).
@@stratifiedauto One thing I've noticed is the 2 step colder plugs do seem to hold proper gap for a little while longer than the 1 step colder plugs. I am on my 2nd set of plugs on my FFRP tune. The last set made it around 45K miles before misfiring started. I can always tell when the plug gap starts getting around .032 as the engine starts misfiring under load. Could probably just gap them again but I always replace them with new ones. I have found that setting the gap to .028 on the FFRP tune seems to do well for many miles before excessive gap causes issues again. Got the tune at 8K miles and now have 59K. I worry about carbon on the valves more than piston failure however, I know not to perform hard acceleration at low RPMs. This engine starts to produce torque at such a low RPM range most inexperienced drivers will simply press on the go peddle when they really should gear down to avoid LSPI. That inexperience and/or maybe a shady quality of fuel with advanced timing and higher boost of a tune and you make the possibility more likely.
Have a 2020 Mustang Auto HPP and the Piston went bad...still don't know why...at the dealer for 3 weeks...has 22,200 miles....regular maintenance...treated well, no racing, no reason that I am aware of for it to break. Waiting for a new engine on B/O.....no eta yet and it's been almost 4 weeks so far. Any ideas? In so. California.
provide more details. What oil change interval? What condition while driving?
There not powdered metal Conrods their standard forged steel Rods
Powdered metal is a much smoother finish due to the metal melting characteristic those rods you have are a proper forged steel rod. You can’t technically get a forged powdered metal Conrod. Don’t be confused by forged Pauter Conrods.
These ecoboost motors give me wicked anxiety haha 😅🤣
Every motor has its issues. One nice thing about them is that they are plentiful and affordable should something go wrong.
don't floor it in 5th or 6th gear and you wont get lspi
In a Manual?
@@BIendtecc At least in an ST, yeah. Don't go WOT in 5th or 6th, and don't go WOT if RPM is south of 3k.
Daniel Looney what about an auto lol does the computer adjust it?
@@BIendtecc you can't get the vehicle as an auto. Even if you could I'm sure it would be programmed to kick down like every other auto in existence. You don't go WOT in an auto equipped vehicle in auto mode and it just lugs along in top gear.
Don't buy is a better solution; this is obviously a failure in design and manufacturing.
Hi Alex. What's your take on the HG replacement for the RS? Have there been any failures since the HG replacement?
pr0jectSkyneT at least three cars in the UK are now on their third head gasket (their second non-Mustang one) due to further coolant/oil leaks. All three only had gaskets replaced, so subsequent failures may be down to Ford not checking for warped heads. I still feel the open deck design is a contributing factor though.
Hi bud, if using the ecoboost 2.0 block with a stroker crank forged rods and pistons will it cause viabration
Not if balanced and well built
So would you say an increased oil change interval on the 2.0 would help prevent pre-detonation from fuel contamination in the oil? Thanks.
Certainly fresh and non fuel diluted oil will help in both lubrication and keeping that oil in the crankcase.
this is four years old but I have noticed that some slightly "heavier" or stickier oils will stay on the cylinders better with less going into chambers. This is generally good but at the cost to efficiency.
Is 410 ft/lb of torque on an ecoboost 2.3 to much power
2017 explorer 2.3 does this year have engine problems?
Any help will be appreciated..
2.0 longer rod cus wrist pin? You mean cus it's lower stroke on a block with the same deck height.
Is there any new revisions in the 2.3 liter ecoboost engine because I cracked my cylinder block in #3 cylinder but was replaced with a remanufactured ford engine under warranty in March 2018 from an engine built off the assembly line dated August 31, 2017. My was built 04/16
no...just the head gasket recall...which is probably why your engine #1 blew
The block cracking is another issue unrelated to the head. Basically there's not enough meat in the centre rear of the block, as a result integrity suffers. The 2.3L Mazda MZR DISI turbo block never had this issue, neither did the 2.0 Ecoboost - Why Ford went open deck when designing this engine is anyone's guess.
Either 2 or 3rd cylinder blew cause the head gasket was funmy
Hi Alex, I have 2014 Ford fusion so far 40k mile on it 2.0 engine oil Change every 5k mile, so far thanks God no any issues just why oil getting dark very fast even in 3k and oil smells little bit like fuel, I heard about fuel dilution problems but is that apply also 2.0 ecoboost? I thought this issue only with 3.5 ecoboost, also focus st 2.0 ecoboost in video, ford fusion 2.0 same engine with same piston and rings?
Thanks
@StartifiedAuto
This is common to all ecoboost.
The eco boost motor 2.0 and 2.3 are to big for this system the moving parts are to big, it is for max. 1.0/3Pistons this is a really good working 125 Hp motor. The big one are like a Hybrid with a140 kw e-motor and a 220 Burner. Bigger is here not better. Sorry for my bad englisch. Greetings from Vienna
isnt everything bigger? There are many 2.0T motors.
A higher wristpin position also promotes piston rock or slap which is known to cause ring land failure. Of course it very well could be caused by the poorly designed pcv system on the Ecoboost as well. The two center cylinders catch any oil that makes it through the pcv system which causes the gdi carbon build up.
Awesome video! Where can i find that shirt? Lol
Bryan Martinez soon!
It was on blipshift a while back
j'ai un piston qui à cassé à 29300km setup stg3 turbo hybride x37 28psi boost
I’m never buying a ford again I bought a 2021 st 2.3 22000 km and I’m driving for 2 weeks let it warm up let it cool down when needed today I got tapping noise can feel it on the valve cover stock engine idle go’s up and down a verry weak block is what I found so far wish I’d never bought it
I think when engineers and manufacturing consider placing extra money and importance into the casting of blocks, bean counters will counter that it costs too much money. And there you have it: failure modes. But Ford continues to bank on making fun and attractive vehicles. Thats what sells a Ford today.
Ford cuts cost where they can so they can make more profit . The customer always pays the price
Driver error thats the problem!
Should be insteresting to see how many Rangers fail towing a 6500 lb trailer
I think the ecoboost is an awful choice in the Ranger, it's not going to be a long term reliable engine.
The 2.3 in the ranger has stronger components compared to the normal 2.3, so it probably won't fail.
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Thanks for these informations. I‘m looking forward to run your tune on my Focus RS🤗
How’d that work out for you?