I took a different approach to this game, as a wow player i found my self looking up the best builds before even launching the game. I had to stop myself, take a step back and just play the game. I chose the weapon types that i just liked based on nothing else but what i honestly enjoyed playing. (Staff/Greatsword) because a battlemage is such a cool fantasy to play. I have not looked up any guides or anything i'm just playing the game, learning, reading, screwing up and honestly i can't remember the last time i had this much fun in a game. And i'm only level 25
That's what you do when you play a real game. The meta will change, and I think you have a better understanding of skills than anyone else. There is no set answer in the world.
I did the same thing, every mmo I get into I look at build guides not to follow but kind of just reference, I’ve been going on completely blind in this game besides mats, had to look up how important they are and I’m glad I did
The game is a breath of fresh air. It has actually tried to evolve the genre instead of just imitating others. It feels old school which is just what I wanted.
P2Win all over. Pay to Skip, pay for gears, pay for upgrades, pay for instant boost, game mechanic is crap game loop is crap. Upgrading gears, equipments and skills is a slot machine gambling mechanic, disgustingly AH is very P2W Holy. Devs are selling powerful items at Auction House, encouraging you to spend money on Lucent, bypassing P2W cash shops controversies.
You can be deep healer spec if you spec into it, but most spells you get on level 50. You can aoe heal everyone from 20% to 100% hp if they stand in your spell circle, you can also boost healing and give protection resistances. Also you can give shields, aoe dmg boost, single target dmg boost for one player etc... Things change dramatically on level 50 when you can customize spells.
Fun fact, the game did not kick off as much in Korea because you could not whale in it like other games. It is not more p2w than retail wow and all other versions with wow token.
Yes... WoW is really p2w if you look at it. You can buy boosts for heroic raid for only 200k in like 1 month before season ends, thats 15euro for some loot thats probably bis. Among other stuff + consumables are also p2w and everything else that you can buy with gold. Basically in WoW you can buy everything and in TnL you can't buy bis gear, cuz they drop from world bosses and stuff, in TnL you can only progress faster, but again, not be the best.
Actually it is way more P2W than wow. In wow the BOE's I can buy from the AH are not as good as soulbound drops from actual dungeons and raids. Here I can buy my BIS weapons and armor from the auction house with real money and I can also buy the materials to upgrade them.
In wow, you aren’t buying BOEs from and AH if you want to p2w. You are paying guilds to carry you through raids, dungeons, etc and paying them for the drops. This has been going on forever. Wow IS p2w
Awesome and fair review. There was so much negativity from people who hadn't actually played the game or only played it the first 10 levels. I'm having a good time playing myself; great game overall.
Honestly, this has been a blast to play. The quests system is simple and enjoyable. Then you hit your first dungeon… just amazing. Hope this game thrives!
I really apreciate your objetivity, most people opinions on this game are based of what others say about it.. the game is amazing indeed and has a huge potential.
I’m not totally hooked yet but when the first quest was like “go get these items” and the mobs just drop them. I was shocked. Like holy shit all the animals have all their parts. So far, no “go do this quest for 10 of a thing that has a 10% drop chance. I haven’t felt like my time has been wasted.
yeah, progress seems quite fast in early game thankfully, i've took part on some random events in the world where all players had to cooperate to hunt wolves and another one to stop some goblin ritual that were a bit time consuming but it was quite cool to see several dozen players running around trying to achieve the same goal
The little world events are awesome. I really appreciate the timers and the notices. At this point I’m level 23 or 24 and it’s been a good time so far.
I played WoW back in vanilla and BC, before wrath, before cata. It's practically the only MMO I've loved for the last 15 years, with the exception of some GW2. Throne and Liberty is shaping up to be the next big MMO for me. As long as they dont kill it with overpriced microtransactions and pay to win like they did Aion. (My wife loved that game)
Idk if i‘m the only one here but coming from 8 years of ESO i was absolutely blown away at first but the more i play the more i find things that just don‘t work for me personally. Starting from things such as a missing transmog system, only having a single playable race or actually somewhat having to have an idea of what build you‘re going to play because changing that later on is very difficult. Still i‘ll keep playing and give the game a chance since its been doing other things quite good aswell. We‘ll see
P2Win all over. Pay to Skip, pay for gears, pay for upgrades, pay for instant boost, game mechanic is crap game loop is crap. Upgrading gears, equipments and skills is a slot machine gambling mechanic, disgustingly AH is very P2W Holy. Devs are selling powerful items at Auction House, encouraging you to spend money on Lucent, bypassing P2W cash shops controversies.
@@hexedpk I hear you, its a hit and miss. You don‘t want level 1s running around in transmogs that make them look like max level but on the other hand a transmog system is a nice way to make your character look unique. I‘m currently level 32 and my character looks almost exactly like he did with level 5.
It's definitely a beautiful game, has great performance, has a great feature set, but it lacks in one area and that is questing with other people. Sure, you can help kill mobs in the open world, but when it comes to the majority of quests, you can't group up with others, it goes into solo quest mode, which is similar to Final Fantasy 14. Wow on the other hand, you can group up with others to do most all quests. Wow goes very light on solo quests, which I appreciate, but it's nice be able to group up and help people. I got my friend to try Throne and Liberty and we've had a difficult time finding content we can do together as we both level up, we have yet to do any dungeons, but that's not our focus now. Overall, Throne and Liberty is a decent game and if you're bored and need something to do while you wait for a WoW killer, it gets the job done, however I don't see it having the same shelf life as WoW has had.
8:00 I've been looking for gameplay systems like these since I first laid eyes on Classic Wow in 2010's talent tree. Modern MMO's force player characters into a box, so I hope T&L keeps its player choice freedom, and it's also a personal choice of mine to ignore all meta bullcrap.
the review bombs are from people who heard: -it's a Korean MMO -It's an Amazon game -it's "pay to win" -They prefer games with "metas" and "finding the quickest way to win" and don't actually enjoy gaming It's the people who don't like trying things, and instead being told this is good and you should think it's good, or this is bad and you should think it's bad. whatever their favorite streamer or youtuber says. I heard all the negative stuff, ignored it day 1, then just logged on the other day after Thursday Night Football, and damn I can't put the game down.
I think Thorne and liberty plays much better than other MMOs currently (mostly compared to wow and ff). I haven't come across any p2w aspects either, so I'm not sure where those accusations come from. Big thumbs up and highly recommend for anyone interested in MMOs.
Honestly so far I'm having a good time in the game and the launch phase of mmo is the best phase of an mmos lifetime so its been fun making the same mistakes as everyone else and learning together.
@MetaGoblin regarding your point at 7:00 , for the record, your group did have a dedicated healer ( the Mushin guy ) witch was rolling the 2nd best healing spec. And the matchmaking system does not "detect/track" if you`re a healer, you straight up need to select you`re queing as healer when matchmaking. Judging by your statements about classes / specs / roles , seems like you don`t quite have a grasp about how these work in T&L. They are pretty much rigid / dedicated unlike how you`ve described. Even though if might not seem so at lower levels, depending on your weapon choices, your`e either a tank, healer or dps.
As a WoW player myself I've been playing this as my side MMO and so far I've enjoyed it and I think a large part of it is the heavy focus on guilds. This game has some cracks in walls but I do think it deserves some credit and if the developers continue to improve it I don't see why it wont hold it's own in the long-term. A lot of the hate on this game is really nit picky.
I play the game on PS5 and it's awesome. Definitely the game has something special that keeps me engaged even if the combat is so simple. The only disconfort it gaves me is the controls but is something that can be learned through time and to be honest I am frightened to even go into pvp. I never was a pvp type of player and I get kinda scared of pvp encounters😅 But nonetheless, I love the game and I hope it will be or it is pve friendly. I just start playing it so I don't really know what pve players can do in it.
Very minimal you should not be able to select the healer unless you have a wind in one of your hands and you should not be able to select a tank unless you have sword shield in one hand. Because those are the only two characters tank and healer so far the two our ties from weapons back and play those rolls I mean bowl can heal a little bit as a utility healer kind of subsidizing the person with the wand but cannot keep the team healed up through those twice. You need a wand and someone actually concentrating on killing and cursing and binging and not on damage likewise, the tank mostly needs and I saw one I seen one match for the tank was actually doing his job like you come into one of those roads with all the soldiers and the tank with literally all of them get them on him and then we wipe them out not home and be attacking the DPS. He was doing exactly the job he was supposed to dofor a point where the healers only function was to help him sank alive. Rest of us were taken damage. It was refreshing, but usually the person playing the healer is more interested in DPS and not paying attention to peoples health.
Pair of the same to a arena hero shooter it doesn’t compare in anyway almost everybody has to seems like they changed it so everybody has some natural helix in combat get overwatch two most of the heaters don’t play to heal anyway even Mercy what you see mercy who spectacular single target healer when you see her with her gun out if you do realize that this game does not pass on any kind of role-play for normal casual management
such players like is the reason why MMO Genre is dead, whats wrong with to give a choice to everyone to do what he wants? whats the point in MMO wihtout free open world PVP can u explain that? why should I grind Weapons and Armors if it isnt free open world PVP?
I have been playing wow for more than 10 years, and the combat in this game is very fun. I don’t understand why people hate the combat in throne and liberty
The biggest problem with the game is each server being controlled by the 70 players of the strongest guild. Whales vs plankton. They control the access to game activities content and end game items.
Changing weapons isn't difficult at all. If you have a weapon that is leveled up you can literally feed that into a new weapon that you want to learn and it will be the same level as the one that you just had. It's actually much easier than leveling a totally different class to play something different All you have to do is switch weapons and level those skills up. And no guilds control access to items. Want to participate and guild activities You can run solo and get drops yourself.
@@shaneschaefer2834 Look up the KC Servers. The game is in early stages, will be still doable for about a month or so, as milestones unlock you will be enlightened. Co-op Dungeons gear means very little at that point.
@@UnknownAdventurer This game is guild and pvp centric, big guilds are chasing everyone off KC servers, more so solo players are plankton. You welcome to be cannon fodder.
@@doomshaman5853 oh really? Guilds are chasing people off the server and what server would this be? Not everywhere is PVP not every event is PVP so I'm not quite sure what you're talking about
It's a decent MMO that does some new things really well. Kinda wish WoW would innovate more like some other MMO's are doing so it doesn't feel stale. I'm having fun in TWW playing WoW but I"m now dividing my time with Throne and Liberty.
Alot of haters. You could always log back on WoW or FF14 and sit in town afk like you normally do. No ones stopping you. The rest of us are enjoying this new game right now.
I dont think P2W is a fair description of Throne and Liberty. The people buying Lucent are the same ones buying gold in wow. I’ve been having a lot of fun, so far.
So the combat wise, you add abilities to your skills to make you move and use the skill. If people just played the game they would know that later down the road
This game really makes my GPU run hot as fuck. I take an outside fan and blow it into my pc while i play so my room doesn't heat up to over 100 degrees
I swear most people just hate on this game because it's a free 2 play and it's Korean. It's the first mmo I've played in years thats actually fun. So many MMO players are just addicted to whatever their chosen mmo is and can't stand any game that dares to do things differently.
"More of a culture shock than an average American visiting Europe and realizing that food can exist without sucralose" I promise you guys that comedy shouldn't be this hard.
I am a new player in world of warcraft. I play 2 weeks and I don't chceck anything online like rest of people. Everybody follow guides, builds, grind etc. I just enjoy the game and I have different experience from what I heard of wow players. I really enjoy it.. I don't understand camping and being afk in town etc. I juat go out there and explore and while it is slow compering to others and my weapons kinda sux as I heard.. I don't care as I enjoy the game ao much. I understand tho wow players who have like 6 60lvl charakters and know the game so much that they follow or meta etc. They say they wish they just started the game like I just did and I understand where ita coming from.. I guess I am lucky that wow is new for me.
NCSoft is renowned for slowly cranking up the P2W aspects in their games as time progresses. It might not be "that" P2W right now (any P2W is bad imo), but once the player base drops off you can expect for NA's game to convert over to Korea's version which is VERY P2W.
False for this game. They had reception meetings for P2W additions to the game along with the changed combat and the investors were pulling out unless they removed the P2W elements which will kill the player interest. It'll be there a bit but not to the extent they wanted for a mobile type game.
Big mistake liking the game in the open in the current climate where it's hip to be part of the crowd that absolutely hates it after finishing the tutorial. That being said, the game has its problems 100% but saying the game is dogshit is just delusion. I have enjoyed it quite a lot and I am part of the crowd that did not like it much during the Open Beta.
I have my problems with it, but I have to admin I am actually suprised by the dungeon desing having mechanics and being relatively wow like, with spin up on the whole thing. Hope they will introduce raid and that they will be even better in this aspect. I also like forced pvp zones
@@TheIrishRushintry it out, at least play the story and enjoy it for a week free before moving on. You might like it. Not all guilds are combat focused. Some are casual.
@@baronvondorff3955 exactly, I'm still level 23 and got invited to a guild, I accepted only because they described themselves as chill and they aren't forcing me to engage in anything, so far so good
i actually love that, plus how you have them from the start, not being gated by having to buy, farm or unlock a mount. you just have it by default and never have to think about it again ! best system ever
You would think a game in 2024 would have more weapons like axes and hammers and spears maybe a Druidic weapon I got bored af after like 5 hrs just felt like a mobile game
So far I've really enjoyed the game a lot! Yet now 43lvl I can see where the p2w talk is coming from, when you reach lvl40 the Auction house is open to you and with real money you can buy all the end game stuff your heart desires 🤷🏻♂️
The environment looks really good. And it definitely runs really good. I don't like the character movement, combat and animations, there's a disconnect between characters and the environment design for me. It seems a little weird to me that the camera and feel kind of seems like a top down game. I've never liked a Diablo like game, so this is a negative for me. I hate the sock puppet thing the follows you around, so stupid.
PORTION for the mats.. The rest you have to grind yourself like everyone else. The only thing that is fully P2W is traits. Buy extracts and max trait lines on your gear as soon as you get the gear for your build.
If you're right about the p2w aspect of how little it can affect, this is nice. Think about the dad with 3 jobs and 36 kids, he can just pay to catch up to those playing 4 hours/day
All wow players are complaining about the movements and combat feeling clunky... As a non-wow player, Wow is too weirdly fluid and SO unrealistic. There isn't a single other MMO where a character moves like in wow. The movements in wow threw me off and made me quit.
only thing i disagree with is the graphics making other mmos look bad, realism =/= good and i think there's alot of charm in having defined art styles that dont just look like every other new mmorpg
Up to a week, the cumulative count for being lazy is calculated. I think it's great. And I think it's great that they limit how much you can do in a day. It shouldn't be the case that only people who play games all day benefit.
@@yogafire-m8e But what about people that can't play weekly or every day? They can't catch up once they finally have a day off to play games. It's a double edged sword
@@Psychefluxx What does that mean? The game company is taking care of those people. Rather, it's the people who play games all day who are dissatisfied.
@@yogafire-m8e No, we'd fall behind because we can't have a chance every day to unlock some loot from a dungeon. Where others that can play daily are capable thus having a higher % to be geared up properly compared to people who can only play one or two days a week.
@@Psychefluxx Are you saying that without even playing the game? TL only lets you do dungeons 3 times a day, and even if you don't do it today, you'll have a week's worth of progress saved up so you can do it later.
Ok lets not be around the bush its pay 2win lmfao. That being said the game showers you in loot and gear and you can sell drops for the same real money people are spending. Also people said this is a pvp game and i disagree its got both pve and pvp and both are enjoyable pvp also isnt forced you can 100% avoid it if you dont want to do it.
Mate, have you even played guild wars 2, it is a much better game with better mounts, graphics are arguably the same and the characters and armor look much much better.
The game has a nice design and some depth, but ive heard the combat needs work. Korean mmo's always got that p2w problem which hopefully they take out of the american version. IT would be cool to have a good alternative mmo to play. This being free sounds cool, tho im sure there is like a 10$ sub that unlocks bag sllots and free reroll talents, but that would be fair. Buying gear not so much but you said its just levels which i guess isn't as bad. Lets hope they turn the game into somethign fun and challenging and new.
My issue with it coming from retail WoW is that although the visuals and animations are better than WoW, the impacts are definetely not. There is something satisfying putting on a bleed in WoW with any class, the sounds, the visual effect, the damage numbers ticking down. Or hitting a huge crit it has a unique sound as well and effect. Here its just too many colorful particle effects. Its not exciting. Charging down or leaping into a crowd of mobs in WoW you knock NPC's down, here it almost has no effect. I cannot get excited about this combat. Then you have zero classes, but you can choose two weapons which makes it very weird. You can do both greatsword and daggers which means youre both a warrior and a rogue at the same time. This takes away the uniqueness of your class like you have in WoW. A class in WoW brings something specific to a dungeon, here? I am a tank! and DPS at the same time.
Honestly at this point its as P2W as WoW is, in the sense that you can get a token in wow and similarly you can do in this one. Even in BDO there is no real p2w aside from paying for convinience which can be disturbing with so many buffs to account for.
Who is to say the whale doesn't spend countless hours in the game vs the free to play. It's pay to win. The game will be fun like lost ark for a time and then die.
@@kyoden1928 you need to realize whales live to literally feel better than others because they have money and you don't. They would overpay for 1% of power and feel good while crushing you eventually with enough upgrades. Every patch that comes out will bring new side-upgrades convoluted systems to power up and new content, setting more and more the players that were behind on their backfoot. You NEED to feed the whales, what most players don't realize is that these games and design models don't exist because there is dumb people willing to spend money on lesser entertainment, they exist because there are dumbasses who are willing to let themselves be farmed over and over by the whales allowing for such ecosystem. The more educated and smart the normal population grows the sooner this model will die out, if ever. If they can't feel better than others they will not spend money, just like irl. Don't play p2w games if you want to make a difference
I took a different approach to this game, as a wow player i found my self looking up the best builds before even launching the game. I had to stop myself, take a step back and just play the game. I chose the weapon types that i just liked based on nothing else but what i honestly enjoyed playing. (Staff/Greatsword) because a battlemage is such a cool fantasy to play. I have not looked up any guides or anything i'm just playing the game, learning, reading, screwing up and honestly i can't remember the last time i had this much fun in a game. And i'm only level 25
That's what you do when you play a real game. The meta will change, and I think you have a better understanding of skills than anyone else. There is no set answer in the world.
I did the same thing, every mmo I get into I look at build guides not to follow but kind of just reference, I’ve been going on completely blind in this game besides mats, had to look up how important they are and I’m glad I did
I am playing gs/staff for open world , oh man is fun !!! I think trying to follow the meta builds will only make the game boring.
I'm lvl 30 and I've been playing greatsword/staff and I fricking love it. No meta here. Just trial and error plus good Ole fashioned fun.
ayyy i'm greatsword staff too lol
The game is a breath of fresh air. It has actually tried to evolve the genre instead of just imitating others. It feels old school which is just what I wanted.
So, if it feels old school then it would be imitating others in some way
P2Win all over. Pay to Skip, pay for gears, pay for upgrades, pay for instant boost, game mechanic is crap game loop is crap. Upgrading gears, equipments and skills is a slot machine gambling mechanic, disgustingly
AH is very P2W Holy. Devs are selling powerful items at Auction House, encouraging you to spend money on Lucent, bypassing P2W cash shops controversies.
You can play it fully free and gain lucent by playing. Some I've spoken with have 30k lucent from all in-game content.
The shit is trash af mobile game
@@hpharold23 excatly the reasons why i hate Black Desert and Ark , which could be else the best games in the genre...
The parry mechanic is so simple, yet it gives the game such a breath of fresh air.
you have a breath of fresh fart playing this dull game.
@@BDTP83And you eat a handful of fresh horse poop while writing your idiotic comment.
Every tuber a week ago: Throne and Liberty is a disaster
Every tuber a week after: I was wrong about Throne and Liberty
next month: Is this the fall down of Throne and Liberty????!?!
Well that didn't happen lol. This game is ready for the dumpster already.
I noticed that too. Let’s hope at least Metagoblin is objective.
My roommate and I were just saying that. Seems weird all the sudden changes in opinion around this game
Games dead in 2 weeks max.
So boring having every youtuber do this. "ITS SO GREAT!" to "Well, its over."
You can be deep healer spec if you spec into it, but most spells you get on level 50. You can aoe heal everyone from 20% to 100% hp if they stand in your spell circle, you can also boost healing and give protection resistances. Also you can give shields, aoe dmg boost, single target dmg boost for one player etc... Things change dramatically on level 50 when you can customize spells.
Fun fact, the game did not kick off as much in Korea because you could not whale in it like other games. It is not more p2w than retail wow and all other versions with wow token.
Yes... WoW is really p2w if you look at it. You can buy boosts for heroic raid for only 200k in like 1 month before season ends, thats 15euro for some loot thats probably bis. Among other stuff + consumables are also p2w and everything else that you can buy with gold. Basically in WoW you can buy everything and in TnL you can't buy bis gear, cuz they drop from world bosses and stuff, in TnL you can only progress faster, but again, not be the best.
Actually it is way more P2W than wow. In wow the BOE's I can buy from the AH are not as good as soulbound drops from actual dungeons and raids. Here I can buy my BIS weapons and armor from the auction house with real money and I can also buy the materials to upgrade them.
In wow, you aren’t buying BOEs from and AH if you want to p2w. You are paying guilds to carry you through raids, dungeons, etc and paying them for the drops. This has been going on forever. Wow IS p2w
@@dingo7517 agreed wow is 100% pay to win...from gear, dungeons to arena rank...all p2w
@@dingo7517 No one cares about p2w in PVE lmao.
Awesome and fair review. There was so much negativity from people who hadn't actually played the game or only played it the first 10 levels. I'm having a good time playing myself; great game overall.
But see thats part of my problem. If its not fun in the first 10 levels as a new player why would i continue pass that?
@@Kensber85 The first 10 levels last like 30 min.
@blockheadbobby8276 there is even more hate from players who realised how awfull the end game is
@@paintspot1509 In what way?
Honestly, this has been a blast to play. The quests system is simple and enjoyable. Then you hit your first dungeon… just amazing. Hope this game thrives!
Nope p2w mobile game trash
it wont,like any other ncsoft game.
I really apreciate your objetivity, most people opinions on this game are based of what others say about it.. the game is amazing indeed and has a huge potential.
having so much fun with this game lately
why lie?
I’m not totally hooked yet but when the first quest was like “go get these items” and the mobs just drop them. I was shocked. Like holy shit all the animals have all their parts. So far, no “go do this quest for 10 of a thing that has a 10% drop chance. I haven’t felt like my time has been wasted.
Or a game like RuneScape going hundreds of kills dry for an item
That made me angry in classic wow. Killing a whole species for just 10 hide
@@Deadspace1996 it did for me during classic too thankfully the friends I made along the way were worth it.
yeah, progress seems quite fast in early game thankfully, i've took part on some random events in the world where all players had to cooperate to hunt wolves and another one to stop some goblin ritual that were a bit time consuming but it was quite cool to see several dozen players running around trying to achieve the same goal
The little world events are awesome. I really appreciate the timers and the notices. At this point I’m level 23 or 24 and it’s been a good time so far.
I played WoW back in vanilla and BC, before wrath, before cata. It's practically the only MMO I've loved for the last 15 years, with the exception of some GW2. Throne and Liberty is shaping up to be the next big MMO for me. As long as they dont kill it with overpriced microtransactions and pay to win like they did Aion. (My wife loved that game)
Both are inevitable
Are you still liking it?
Idk if i‘m the only one here but coming from 8 years of ESO i was absolutely blown away at first but the more i play the more i find things that just don‘t work for me personally. Starting from things such as a missing transmog system, only having a single playable race or actually somewhat having to have an idea of what build you‘re going to play because changing that later on is very difficult. Still i‘ll keep playing and give the game a chance since its been doing other things quite good aswell. We‘ll see
Transmog is lame as hell just cause your use to it doesn't mean it's good..
Its a free game. You wont get transmigm youll get outfits. On the shop. Also for races. Who cares?
P2Win all over. Pay to Skip, pay for gears, pay for upgrades, pay for instant boost, game mechanic is crap game loop is crap. Upgrading gears, equipments and skills is a slot machine gambling mechanic, disgustingly
AH is very P2W Holy. Devs are selling powerful items at Auction House, encouraging you to spend money on Lucent, bypassing P2W cash shops controversies.
@@hexedpk I hear you, its a hit and miss. You don‘t want level 1s running around in transmogs that make them look like max level but on the other hand a transmog system is a nice way to make your character look unique. I‘m currently level 32 and my character looks almost exactly like he did with level 5.
Not to be a dick but.. transmog is your #1 thing in a game?
I been loving Thrones and Liberty
It's definitely a beautiful game, has great performance, has a great feature set, but it lacks in one area and that is questing with other people. Sure, you can help kill mobs in the open world, but when it comes to the majority of quests, you can't group up with others, it goes into solo quest mode, which is similar to Final Fantasy 14. Wow on the other hand, you can group up with others to do most all quests. Wow goes very light on solo quests, which I appreciate, but it's nice be able to group up and help people. I got my friend to try Throne and Liberty and we've had a difficult time finding content we can do together as we both level up, we have yet to do any dungeons, but that's not our focus now. Overall, Throne and Liberty is a decent game and if you're bored and need something to do while you wait for a WoW killer, it gets the job done, however I don't see it having the same shelf life as WoW has had.
8:00 I've been looking for gameplay systems like these since I first laid eyes on Classic Wow in 2010's talent tree. Modern MMO's force player characters into a box, so I hope T&L keeps its player choice freedom, and it's also a personal choice of mine to ignore all meta bullcrap.
As a console player I’ve never really played an MMO with this much depth, I don’t understand the review bombs, I’m really enjoying it.
its so fun to play on ps5
the review bombs are from people who heard:
-it's a Korean MMO
-It's an Amazon game
-it's "pay to win"
-They prefer games with "metas" and "finding the quickest way to win" and don't actually enjoy gaming
It's the people who don't like trying things, and instead being told this is good and you should think it's good, or this is bad and you should think it's bad. whatever their favorite streamer or youtuber says.
I heard all the negative stuff, ignored it day 1, then just logged on the other day after Thursday Night Football, and damn I can't put the game down.
playing it on PS5 as well, having a good time but it's certainly not for everyone
😂😂😂
Ff14 and ESO have so much more depth, it's not even close.
@@Seb7anThat`s a must, how old are ESO and FFXIV ?
FFXIV A Realm Reborn is boring af.
Why do all new games have super glare on all surfaces? In the opening minutes you cross a stone bridge, thing reflects like worse than gold.
I think Thorne and liberty plays much better than other MMOs currently (mostly compared to wow and ff). I haven't come across any p2w aspects either, so I'm not sure where those accusations come from. Big thumbs up and highly recommend for anyone interested in MMOs.
Honestly so far I'm having a good time in the game and the launch phase of mmo is the best phase of an mmos lifetime so its been fun making the same mistakes as everyone else and learning together.
KR vets didnt make mistakes.
@@NatoRadeX well yea they knew about the game I'm talking about all the new players who haven't played the game before yk
@MetaGoblin regarding your point at 7:00 , for the record, your group did have a dedicated healer ( the Mushin guy ) witch was rolling the 2nd best healing spec. And the matchmaking system does not "detect/track" if you`re a healer, you straight up need to select you`re queing as healer when matchmaking. Judging by your statements about classes / specs / roles , seems like you don`t quite have a grasp about how these work in T&L. They are pretty much rigid / dedicated unlike how you`ve described. Even though if might not seem so at lower levels, depending on your weapon choices, your`e either a tank, healer or dps.
As a WoW player myself I've been playing this as my side MMO and so far I've enjoyed it and I think a large part of it is the heavy focus on guilds. This game has some cracks in walls but I do think it deserves some credit and if the developers continue to improve it I don't see why it wont hold it's own in the long-term. A lot of the hate on this game is really nit picky.
I play the game on PS5 and it's awesome. Definitely the game has something special that keeps me engaged even if the combat is so simple. The only disconfort it gaves me is the controls but is something that can be learned through time and to be honest I am frightened to even go into pvp. I never was a pvp type of player and I get kinda scared of pvp encounters😅 But nonetheless, I love the game and I hope it will be or it is pve friendly. I just start playing it so I don't really know what pve players can do in it.
same, seems like the game is far less pvp focused now which is a relief, I'm curious about the siege battles though
Fly across that glide across those fire that parked the dungeon glad other sides get the fire all together
Very minimal you should not be able to select the healer unless you have a wind in one of your hands and you should not be able to select a tank unless you have sword shield in one hand. Because those are the only two characters tank and healer so far the two our ties from weapons back and play those rolls I mean bowl can heal a little bit as a utility healer kind of subsidizing the person with the wand but cannot keep the team healed up through those twice. You need a wand and someone actually concentrating on killing and cursing and binging and not on damage likewise, the tank mostly needs and I saw one I seen one match for the tank was actually doing his job like you come into one of those roads with all the soldiers and the tank with literally all of them get them on him and then we wipe them out not home and be attacking the DPS. He was doing exactly the job he was supposed to dofor a point where the healers only function was to help him sank alive. Rest of us were taken damage. It was refreshing, but usually the person playing the healer is more interested in DPS and not paying attention to peoples health.
Pair of the same to a arena hero shooter it doesn’t compare in anyway almost everybody has to seems like they changed it so everybody has some natural helix in combat get overwatch two most of the heaters don’t play to heal anyway even Mercy what you see mercy who spectacular single target healer when you see her with her gun out if you do realize that this game does not pass on any kind of role-play for normal casual management
such players like is the reason why MMO Genre is dead, whats wrong with to give a choice to everyone to do what he wants? whats the point in MMO wihtout free open world PVP can u explain that? why should I grind Weapons and Armors if it isnt free open world PVP?
I have been playing wow for more than 10 years, and the combat in this game is very fun. I don’t understand why people hate the combat in throne and liberty
because its just shit.
I have played 120 hours and I am absolutely enjoying this game; the cherry on top is that it's free.
The biggest problem with the game is each server being controlled by the 70 players of the strongest guild. Whales vs plankton. They control the access to game activities content and end game items.
Can you elaborate on this more? What's stopping the average player from grouping for a dungeon high level?
Changing weapons isn't difficult at all. If you have a weapon that is leveled up you can literally feed that into a new weapon that you want to learn and it will be the same level as the one that you just had. It's actually much easier than leveling a totally different class to play something different All you have to do is switch weapons and level those skills up. And no guilds control access to items. Want to participate and guild activities You can run solo and get drops yourself.
@@shaneschaefer2834 Look up the KC Servers. The game is in early stages, will be still doable for about a month or so, as milestones unlock you will be enlightened. Co-op Dungeons gear means very little at that point.
@@UnknownAdventurer This game is guild and pvp centric, big guilds are chasing everyone off KC servers, more so solo players are plankton. You welcome to be cannon fodder.
@@doomshaman5853 oh really? Guilds are chasing people off the server and what server would this be? Not everywhere is PVP not every event is PVP so I'm not quite sure what you're talking about
It's a decent MMO that does some new things really well. Kinda wish WoW would innovate more like some other MMO's are doing so it doesn't feel stale. I'm having fun in TWW playing WoW but I"m now dividing my time with Throne and Liberty.
I think all i want in an mmo is like classic wow but with bettee graphics and new dungeons and cool gear to farm.
fun fact, if something is free, you are the product
could you please elaborate?
elaborate
Alot of haters. You could always log back on WoW or FF14 and sit in town afk like you normally do. No ones stopping you. The rest of us are enjoying this new game right now.
Thats facts😂
Limsa observer here and this comment is spot on. No ome wants to do anything in FFXIV except showoff raid gear in idle lol
@@majinbobbyhill828man I’m so mad I spent sooo many hours in FFXIV because people kept saying “it gets better” nah man it never got better.
Nah I'm good, I'll go play albion and take people's gear😅
Some repressed anger there towards those games😂😂 which are still 10x better for now. Lets see if game goes fully pay2win before getting polished.😅
I dont think P2W is a fair description of Throne and Liberty. The people buying Lucent are the same ones buying gold in wow. I’ve been having a lot of fun, so far.
So the combat wise, you add abilities to your skills to make you move and use the skill. If people just played the game they would know that later down the road
Doesn't eso have the same lv of graphics?
Not even close.
My only real issue is I wish your glide and water form has more stamina (especially the glide).
You get more the more morphs you collect
@@NatoRadeX did not know that thanks!
This game really makes my GPU run hot as fuck. I take an outside fan and blow it into my pc while i play so my room doesn't heat up to over 100 degrees
I swear most people just hate on this game because it's a free 2 play and it's Korean. It's the first mmo I've played in years thats actually fun. So many MMO players are just addicted to whatever their chosen mmo is and can't stand any game that dares to do things differently.
"More of a culture shock than an average American visiting Europe and realizing that food can exist without sucralose"
I promise you guys that comedy shouldn't be this hard.
Will wait another feew weeks before trying it out and see if the hype is still there :D
I am a new player in world of warcraft. I play 2 weeks and I don't chceck anything online like rest of people. Everybody follow guides, builds, grind etc. I just enjoy the game and I have different experience from what I heard of wow players. I really enjoy it.. I don't understand camping and being afk in town etc. I juat go out there and explore and while it is slow compering to others and my weapons kinda sux as I heard.. I don't care as I enjoy the game ao much. I understand tho wow players who have like 6 60lvl charakters and know the game so much that they follow or meta etc. They say they wish they just started the game like I just did and I understand where ita coming from.. I guess I am lucky that wow is new for me.
NCSoft is renowned for slowly cranking up the P2W aspects in their games as time progresses. It might not be "that" P2W right now (any P2W is bad imo), but once the player base drops off you can expect for NA's game to convert over to Korea's version which is VERY P2W.
False for this game. They had reception meetings for P2W additions to the game along with the changed combat and the investors were pulling out unless they removed the P2W elements which will kill the player interest.
It'll be there a bit but not to the extent they wanted for a mobile type game.
Whats the name of the game at 00:09?
ESO
@@Kylfahn thank you.
The game is not perfect, but what's there is awesome and there's so much room for it to be a better game if they take it in the right direction.
Game is creative/unique/detailed/in-depth
Big mistake liking the game in the open in the current climate where it's hip to be part of the crowd that absolutely hates it after finishing the tutorial.
That being said, the game has its problems 100% but saying the game is dogshit is just delusion. I have enjoyed it quite a lot and I am part of the crowd that did not like it much during the Open Beta.
Having fun with it but the overwhelming amount of systems and hoops to jump through just to sell something makes my head hurt.
The combat can be clunky at timrs but The main thing is the action mode is ass
I have my problems with it, but I have to admin I am actually suprised by the dungeon desing having mechanics and being relatively wow like, with spin up on the whole thing. Hope they will introduce raid and that they will be even better in this aspect. I also like forced pvp zones
Doesn't a wp say something about large scale battle/raids?
been looking at this game and im gonna give it a try tonight!
Character movement is floaty, combat is clunky, world looks beautiful tho. i would have liked traditional mounts more than the morphing stuff
Are you playing on a toaster? Floaty? I don't feel that at all. Clunky? Have you tried playing ranged it's smooth as silk
The game has me immediately addicted
As far as P2W goes, can you only buy whats available? Meaning someone had to farm it for it to be on sale?
yes and no, you cant really buy the piece itself unless is a world boss thing
Everything on the auction is obtained by players
Very good review non biased and spoke facts!! Good job buddy
The mount at start is so nice
Ima try it just wanna those big monsters killing everybody
I'm on steam deck and get solid frames between 35 and 45.
Is this game working on Steam? When I click PLAY, the logo comes, but it then freezers? Anyone that can help?
Having a hard time getting into the game. Seems very exclusive to the more hard-core players. Solo players are kinda SOL
I was thinking of downloading it but I don't group up with anyone.
@@TheIrishRushintry it out, at least play the story and enjoy it for a week free before moving on. You might like it. Not all guilds are combat focused. Some are casual.
@@baronvondorff3955 exactly, I'm still level 23 and got invited to a guild, I accepted only because they described themselves as chill and they aren't forcing me to engage in anything, so far so good
Graphics look great from your clip!
Do New World Re Release when it comes out Oct 15
i actually hate how everyone turns into a wolf lol
I’m a chicken basically rn to each their own friend.
Join the chocobo gang
i actually love that, plus how you have them from the start, not being gated by having to buy, farm or unlock a mount. you just have it by default and never have to think about it again ! best system ever
@Tehasce it's horrible.... just allow people to sprint or mount.. so you can see how kool your character is
Well if you're on working laptop like me you probably gonna stick with wow sod or cata at the moment, but really this new mmo is cool on graphics
Oil change meme was funny 😂
3 hours in. And I'm starting to really like it. Those sweet Graphics to right
How to download the game? It’s not on steam :| thanks in advance
pay to be stronger faster = pay to win
The animal transformations turn me off to the point of disinterest
To each their own. While you think it's dumb, others find it fun and different in a good way. No game can please everyone
You would think a game in 2024 would have more weapons like axes and hammers and spears maybe a Druidic weapon I got bored af after like 5 hrs just felt like a mobile game
What were you wrong about? I've only really heard you say positive things about it.
This game is the version of wow when it hits adulthood
So far I've really enjoyed the game a lot! Yet now 43lvl I can see where the p2w talk is coming from, when you reach lvl40 the Auction house is open to you and with real money you can buy all the end game stuff your heart desires 🤷🏻♂️
Yeah if WoW went to Unreal Engine 4 I think it would be much better too but T&L has been GREAT
Only problem I have is the flying and I agree they should do mounts and flying mounts not furrys
The environment looks really good. And it definitely runs really good.
I don't like the character movement, combat and animations, there's a disconnect between characters and the environment design for me.
It seems a little weird to me that the camera and feel kind of seems like a top down game. I've never liked a Diablo like game, so this is a negative for me.
I hate the sock puppet thing the follows you around, so stupid.
You can buy upgrade mats with real money? It's p2w as hell. But I'm still having a great time
PORTION for the mats.. The rest you have to grind yourself like everyone else. The only thing that is fully P2W is traits. Buy extracts and max trait lines on your gear as soon as you get the gear for your build.
If you're right about the p2w aspect of how little it can affect, this is nice. Think about the dad with 3 jobs and 36 kids, he can just pay to catch up to those playing 4 hours/day
you had a healer, but maybe they didnt have their heal skills on their bar lol
awesome game, pay to win isnt impactful since you still need to play the game to level your gear etc. Combat is fun
Nice vid dude
All wow players are complaining about the movements and combat feeling clunky... As a non-wow player, Wow is too weirdly fluid and SO unrealistic. There isn't a single other MMO where a character moves like in wow. The movements in wow threw me off and made me quit.
only thing i disagree with is the graphics making other mmos look bad, realism =/= good and i think there's alot of charm in having defined art styles that dont just look like every other new mmorpg
So far it doesn't look bad but I really prefer the BDO combat
that's good for RMT??
The problem with the game is that you cant slack ever or you'll be left out.
Up to a week, the cumulative count for being lazy is calculated. I think it's great. And I think it's great that they limit how much you can do in a day. It shouldn't be the case that only people who play games all day benefit.
@@yogafire-m8e But what about people that can't play weekly or every day? They can't catch up once they finally have a day off to play games. It's a double edged sword
@@Psychefluxx What does that mean? The game company is taking care of those people. Rather, it's the people who play games all day who are dissatisfied.
@@yogafire-m8e No, we'd fall behind because we can't have a chance every day to unlock some loot from a dungeon. Where others that can play daily are capable thus having a higher % to be geared up properly compared to people who can only play one or two days a week.
@@Psychefluxx Are you saying that without even playing the game? TL only lets you do dungeons 3 times a day, and even if you don't do it today, you'll have a week's worth of progress saved up so you can do it later.
Im playin this game & cant put it down 😁
Ok lets not be around the bush its pay 2win lmfao.
That being said the game showers you in loot and gear and you can sell drops for the same real money people are spending.
Also people said this is a pvp game and i disagree its got both pve and pvp and both are enjoyable pvp also isnt forced you can 100% avoid it if you dont want to do it.
One of the coolest things about the game for me that’s kinda pointless was the fact the cut scenes still included live world players playing the game.
Mate, have you even played guild wars 2, it is a much better game with better mounts, graphics are arguably the same and the characters and armor look much much better.
The game has a nice design and some depth, but ive heard the combat needs work. Korean mmo's always got that p2w problem which hopefully they take out of the american version. IT would be cool to have a good alternative mmo to play. This being free sounds cool, tho im sure there is like a 10$ sub that unlocks bag sllots and free reroll talents, but that would be fair. Buying gear not so much but you said its just levels which i guess isn't as bad. Lets hope they turn the game into somethign fun and challenging and new.
Not the i was wrong titles because the game is actually popular so let me cash out on it also lol
Great vid, think I’ll try it out this weekend. I need a new game to dive into as I’m on my 1700 hour of BG3 😬
My issue with it coming from retail WoW is that although the visuals and animations are better than WoW, the impacts are definetely not. There is something satisfying putting on a bleed in WoW with any class, the sounds, the visual effect, the damage numbers ticking down. Or hitting a huge crit it has a unique sound as well and effect. Here its just too many colorful particle effects. Its not exciting. Charging down or leaping into a crowd of mobs in WoW you knock NPC's down, here it almost has no effect. I cannot get excited about this combat.
Then you have zero classes, but you can choose two weapons which makes it very weird. You can do both greatsword and daggers which means youre both a warrior and a rogue at the same time. This takes away the uniqueness of your class like you have in WoW. A class in WoW brings something specific to a dungeon, here? I am a tank! and DPS at the same time.
There are classes press p and look top left... staff and dagger is called spellblade. People just call the weps you wear instead of the class.
"classes" here are even more unique.. thing is u just dont really know what each weapon provides
There is holy trinity setup. Though you can tank and heal as sns/wand too. Bow/wand, staff/wand are healer specs.
Well done.
Honestly at this point its as P2W as WoW is, in the sense that you can get a token in wow and similarly you can do in this one. Even in BDO there is no real p2w aside from paying for convinience which can be disturbing with so many buffs to account for.
This game is toast.
Who is to say the whale doesn't spend countless hours in the game vs the free to play. It's pay to win. The game will be fun like lost ark for a time and then die.
the whale has to farm too you cant just buy everything, on top of that the whale is overpaying for an advantage of 2 weeks and 10% power creep 😂
@@kyoden1928 you need to realize whales live to literally feel better than others because they have money and you don't. They would overpay for 1% of power and feel good while crushing you eventually with enough upgrades. Every patch that comes out will bring new side-upgrades convoluted systems to power up and new content, setting more and more the players that were behind on their backfoot. You NEED to feed the whales, what most players don't realize is that these games and design models don't exist because there is dumb people willing to spend money on lesser entertainment, they exist because there are dumbasses who are willing to let themselves be farmed over and over by the whales allowing for such ecosystem. The more educated and smart the normal population grows the sooner this model will die out, if ever. If they can't feel better than others they will not spend money, just like irl. Don't play p2w games if you want to make a difference
nothing can kill wow
Game is just great, not perfect of course but really fun reminds me of Lineage 2 a little bit!!
Make every other mmo look bad? Check out Ashes of Creation.
Gotta work on those puns a bit lol