Austin is pretty mixed on: Throne and Liberty (Review)
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- Опубліковано 12 жов 2024
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Throne and Liberty has got a lot going for it, but it's 'free' price tag comes with a hefty hidden price, and a lot of its most important systems aren't full baked yet.
Video written, voiced and edited by Austin B.
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Austin in the MMO review dungeon
Lost Ark just came out with some new update/expansion, watch him get thrown into that next heh.
It has to be done. Gotta share the Ls mmo players have been taking for years. That said, NW Aeternum next pls!
If you are still in GW2 in 2024 you probably love MMOs tho, so must not be bad to review all of those lol.
Austin: may I get a pittance, sir? Perhaps some Silent Hill 2?
I'm glad you added Austin to the channel. It's nice to get some coverage on MMOs.
Love has Mexican accent!
Now if only fighting game enjoyers would get some love.. 😢
It's kind of fun watching Amazon find out that making good games is a problem you cant just throw infinite money at until it's solved.
They are the publisher, Ncsoft made it 😊
Same with thier shows. Rings of power cost like $700m and its abysmal lol.
This wasn't made by Amazon. They're just publishing it. It's a korean game.
Amazon only publishes this. People really need to look up the difference here. Again Amazon does throw money at shit, but as an example under T&L-s review is misleading.
NC Soft the korean developer made the game not amazon.
4:10 That's because it's voiced by the same voice actress from BG3 the incredible Amelia Tyler
Austin has finally passed 1mil subscribers!
If you try to experiment yourself to a build by time of endgame, you better get that creditcard ready. A few missteps throw you back dozens of hours of grinding. One of those MMOs where if you don't start with a written guide you literally end up as a pleb, unable to contribute anything to lvl50+ content, especially if you try to do some solo stuff.
I love this game so far. Level 21 and never been into mmos in the past. This one got me.
Never been into them before but this one got you huh? Read what you wrote.
@@Joe-ti7qd i wrote what I meant. I didn't like any other mmos. This one got me in because of the graphics and combat. What's so hard to understand?
@@Joe-ti7qd You sound miserable bud. Go talk to a therapist. Dont make us have to deal with your depression.
@@ElkduudI thought what you wrote was pretty straightforward. So I assume it's just a failing in reading comprehension on their end.
What got this MMO to stick with you by the by? I've been trying to get into MMOs for a long time myself, but have bounced off pretty much everyone I've tried. So curious what made this one stick with you as someone in a similar position.
Austin, its 8am and I am extremely hungover. Thank you for your calming voice. Throne and Liberty 10/10.
MMO main quests are always inherently offputting to me. Regardless of how good the story is. Like you're telling me its not majorly immersion breaking to have the entire story be revolving around your characters impact on everything, only for the cutscene to end and you see 400 players standing there doing the same thing.
That’s why I like what Helldivers 2 does with its Major Orders. It’s like a main quest but it’s an actual group effort. Not just your main character.
They defo don't work with "chosen one" style, they work better with army or group stories
I have the ability to seperate the two parts of the videogame from itself. One is the story in which im the MC the other is the videogame where I as a human need to interact with the videogame in order to play it and its Genre.
@dedokodo5 its just weird. Like shpuldn't MMO's focus on live active large scale storytelling and such rather than singular chosen one stories? If I wanted to play that story I'd rather play a single player RPG without the disconnect that probably in 98/100 cases has better gameplay and quest design.
I think you're overthrowing it.
Oh that system where the best gear for a given role only comes from one dungeon…that’s probably the most concerning piece by far, and I imagine if any one factor could save/slay it, it’s that. Gotta incentivize everyone to do every dungeon enough
They simply could just rotate the gear that drops at each dungeon., maybe have 2 be able to drop it and rotate.
Amazon has the Anti-Midas touch. Everything they touch turns to garbage.
Apart from Amazons share price 😂
This was already garbage long before Amazon agreed to publish it. That it improved at all is already good news.
So we just gonna pretend the boys or Invincible doesn’t exist
So we just gonna pretend the boys or invincible doesn’t exist sure
I am NOT mixed on Throne and Liberty.
It's a bit shit, innit?
A bit ? Its pretty shit lul
Quite the opposite!
I’m loving it so much to do and I love how the crafting
As soon as I hear "Korean MMO", I'm out.
This ends the same way it always ends. Microtransactions out the ass and grind, grind, GRIND!
Take most reviews with a pinch of salt especially if there's mixed reviews, go try it Ur self
The bots in the comments are killing me
I think as a start of a new MMO its honestly one of the best iv ever played. Needs alot of fixes though. Hopefully they keep ontop of it. Which it 'seems' like they are. Fingers crossed
Alright Austin, it is time to put a few thousand hours into a review of OSRS's Varlamore expansion, thanks.
Yo Austin, if we stick with the MMO’s, it’d be so cool to get a Wizard101 review for 2024. We still get huge updates with new worlds and spells, and there’s been so much added over the past few years. Really good community too
Fair Review. Like others mentioned some pretty heavy Design flaws in Guilds and Dungeons. So I would actually not recommend New Players Joining any Guild until Max Level. But Yes T&L will lock you out of SOME Content if you are only a Solo Player. If they fix this, it should end up decent for the average Joe and Sally.
About when you change a weapon you need to manually drag the abilities on your bar, there is a better way.
At 15min you see the character's weapons and armor. All the way down in the middle you have "Equipment and Stats Set"
Then you can do the same but on the Skills screen. In the bottom middle you have "Quick Slots Set"
To make it easy for you put the skills for your combination of weapons in the same slot.
Armor/weapon set on 2, activate skill set 2
I'm pretty mixed on the game too! The korean jank is to much.
How did Austin not find the skill loadouts? You don't have to assemble your bar Everytime you swap weapons...?
"One chapter, for example, had me dealing with a deranged doctor who I found out was drugging patients and taking them to his cellar because it turns out he's a vampire."
So they lifted the plot of the Witcher 3 side mission, Carnal Sins. There are actually a few quests you mention that sound like Witcher 3 quests. Steal from the best I guess.
Is it different on PC? I had 3 loadouts for my stats and skill loadout that I could just swap between
On the Dungeon queuing aspect, you should use the party board instead of 'Matchmaking' - I don't know why it s not clearly mentioned before but most players wont be going via Matchmaking.
How do we get an mmo review before The final shape??
No walking animation so I peaced out. ✌️
As weird as this sounds, you can discern a lot about a game from whether they took simply being able to walk into account and the quality of the animations used.
Me and a mate spent all last night playing it, and seems alright! We're only level 20-ish so far, so we're not too deep in and we're just working through the story at the moment, but it's not been too bad! And luckily I'd heard about 'locking in' your two weapon choices early on, so at least I haven't screwed myself on that lol. I like my weapon choices.
To be fair though, I'm not really a huge MMO guy, the only MMOs I've played before have been DC Universe Online (extensively) and Star Trek Online (casually), but I've never really been what you'd call a hardcore end-game player in either of them. I'm a bit of an unsociable bastard, so I just kind of wander round and do my own thing and just 'exist' in MMOs, and I'm fine with that. If this game allows me to do that, I might end up sticking around!
Korean game be Korean gaming.
Honestly looks better than I expected, but I'm going to wait for some more polish before I jump into it. Loadouts and fixing the itemization look pretty essential for this one, for me. So until that's fixed, I'm just going to stick to GW2 and Warframe to scratch the MMO/live service itch.
If anything you want to play now to get all the freebies they give out when these types of games launch. If you wait to play you will have a much worse time upgrading once they stop giving out the freebie launch period premium stuff. I'd say if you are truly interested in playing this game, play enough now to get all free stuff then quit until it you truly want to play it
kinda interested how Archage Chronicle will turn out...
It will be like any mmo launch, people will play it until the p2w gets to annoying and they quit
You're a creative genius, no joke!
I agree with a lot of this, but I’m free to play and selling traits is how I bought both the leveling pass and battle pass. They could have made it cost actual money to buy the passes. Nice they give the option to grind for it as well. Which didn’t take anywhere near as long as I was expecting.
throne of liberty combat feels so much better with the controller layout, give it a try.
No way. I like Kbm for mmo. Need to type
This review is quite fair except for when he talks about gearing. The gearing system is phenomenally well dont and integrated with the economy of the auction house. This coupled with the gradual release of new content, world bosses and/or gear daily allows for big drops to feel rewarding even tho the older gear would start to depreciate in value. You turn gear into the scrolls to sell them into the auction house, not to "make copies". And selling them in the auction house you can get the p2w currency as a F2P player. So far after 200 hours i have never felt the need to swipe.
I am also a F2P player, and to be honest, so far, I haven't found any issue with the game. I have access to the best gear, I have access to all content, I don't feel left behind and everything just plays well. I do have started my second character, cause the first is a mess. And here is my only issue. A game that has basically, the main focus, weapons swap, is gating players into a single build. That is so much wrong. There is where the P2W will hit hard. Yes, u know exactly what u wanna play and with a proper guide, you'll have no issue having the build min-maxed in no time. And there will come a time, where slowly every weapon and weapon mastery u have will be maxed out, but how long does all that take? Probably 2-3 years. Will this game survive this long? Maybe. Only if they will not rush content and new gear progression like Lost Ark does, where, if you don't play a couple of days, you never recover and u will never be able to access end game content, cause players will gate all the players that are not up to date with their gear. In my opinion, this game will end up within 6 months, where new world lies at this point. Dead and forgotten.
Anyone got an update on console performance please? I was put off installing by all the reviews saying interface and controller use were terrible. Any patches yet?
Performance itself is good the ui is dogshit
@@lotrohuntard thanks for prompt reply! I'll just keep an eye out on updates for time being then.
it's not bad tbh. not ff14 quality but it's definitely not a pain point for me once i got used to things. you definitely might want to fiddle with some keybinds and settings though to tailor it to your preference.
Have Austin review The Final Shape. We know Ralph will never get around to it
The weapon system, the severe pay to win and the boring leveling is why I jumped off the train
"this many players." surely you've meant "bristling with bots."
looking at this game’s UI is actively making me nauseous
I really want to zoom the camera out more. It’s just on the side of too close, especially with all the particle effects. I can imagine bosses with AOE ground attacks becoming a pain to see with everyone’s spells being so flashy.
Also I get you want to make a shiny world, but holy contrast Batman, I want to see the boss and react to what they are doing, not see everyone’s spell effects.
You realize you can zoom the camera out? On console, at least, it’s one of the quick options under camera, you can zoom way out
You can zoom the camera out lol
@@Xl_Fenrir_lX I realize that, I’m complaining about the video, not the game, on that point.
The particle effect jamboree however is a criticism of the game.
@@Ceece20 then why word it as “I really want to zoom the camera out” rather than “I wish you would have zoomed the camera out?” Big difference between the two
@@Xl_Fenrir_lX because you’re arguing semantics. It isn’t a big difference since zoom preference is a subjective matter.
Pvp had ruined the game for me far too much in open world
From just WATCHING this game, I feel your toon, your character, your sense of "self" in this game, often disappear in busy animations and spell effects. Maybe thats just how all these games are.
It gets worse the longer you play
I agree, endgame farming is not particularly engaging, low drop rates, you can't craft blue gear, dungeon bosses have several one shot mechanics that make even one person not knowing how to do it wipe the fight, which breeds toxicity, open world bosses are dominated by the bigger guilds and the rest get basically nothing, and other problems. I think they should have extended the leveling process and put a bit more emphasis on the journey instead of pushing everyone to level cap super fast.
@@Ubersichteh, MMOs have basically been all endgame now. And players will optimize the fun out given enough time.
Welcome to Korean live service games.
@@Ceece20 Exactly. One of my biggest complaints about the game is that everything about it has been figured out and you're either aware of all meta strats, builds and farm spots or get lost in the dust.
Great review Austin 1 question though. What is Okshan?
Love T&L! Would love to have some friends to play with!
Use party board instead of party matchmaking to dramatically speed up dungeon queue times!
End game loot structure is pretty weird and different but eventually makes sense when you look at it from a “counteracting botting and no lifers” view.
As with most of these things even going back to Tolkien's LOTR fantasy world these type stories just throw name after name at you that just get so confusing.
Your experience with this game will heavily depend on which class you choose to play in the beginning because let's be fair respecting takes forever. If you choose to play a dps thus game is really fun, combat is smooth ish and you get to live in abit of a power fantasy. However if you choose to play a class that actually matters like tank or healer... tough luck. Not only do you got fuck all for dps but now you gotta be good at what you do otherwise you are the issue.
Why are all MMO UI's absolutely disgusting to the eye? All look super dated, and an ADHD overload of names, numbers, buttons. Always puts me off playing them.
I tend to agree. At least WoW lets you edit the UI to how you like it or you can download a mod for more if you want. This just is another RPG that I would call “2017 form-fit”.
if you have ADHD, you are the problem.
You know u can customize it, right?
If you want to see some more awful monetization, check out The First Descendant. The game is basically a copy of Warframe with triple the costs to everything.
It's hard to win, MMORPG gets called out if it takes too long to get an epic item, then they get called out for taking too little time and everyone gets geared fast. Sighhhh
Looks like any other MMO that fades after a few weeks. The only reason it’s lasted this long is probably from sponsored streams.
That face animation at 1:32 🤪
Looks like another Disney theme park experience to me....
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I will be interested in this game when they upgrade to Unreal Engine 5.5
Should I play this or New World? Can't decide.
Will we ever get Austin reviews SWTOR???
Warframe is the same really. You can use platinum to buy every single mod, warframe and weapon, which will take a long time to get as f2p.
It really just mix of Gacha Mobile Game System and MMO huh. The whole energy recharge daily logins thing
I checked out as soon as I heard "NCSoft" and Korean MMO.
You're not getting me this time, you bastards.
Ever since Baldurs Gate 3 (and Elden Ring) I've fully embraced anti-microtransactions. I don't play anything that has them, period. If a great MMO comes out but it's 30 bucks a month to play I'd be more than happy to pay that subscription for a great microtransaction free MMO.
Microtransactions, battlepasses, lootboxes, etc have handicapped video games and I'm done even just contributing my player count to those games.
Edit: Feel I should expand on my position.
I have no problem paying what a game is worth. If i'm getting 100 fun hours of gameplay a month, then charge me 50 a month to play. That is cheap entertainment. The problem with microtransactions is they have to intentionally make the game worse to entice you to make the game better by buying microtransactions.
This goes for cosmetics too. Rather than tying awesome cosmetics to achievements or game progression, they paywall them and now they mean nothing other than you had 5 bucks burning a hole in your pocket.
Problem is financial. We the consumers are fine with games being worse then they should be as long as someone else is paying the microtransactions. Basically we pay less for a game because the whales are subsidizing it but the game also suffers from that quality wise.
I honestly don't blame gaming companies. They are doing what makes money and microtransactions make money. I blame the consumer, we are the problem. We reward anti-consumer practices and bad game design because we like shiny colors, fake progression, and "cool" skins more.
Myself I've just chosen not to contribute to the enshittification of gaming anymore. No judgement, don't think you are a POS or anything if you buy microtransations. Just saying that I'm done.
I’m the same besides cosmetic purchases. Let the people with money to burn give the developers of games I enjoy playing more money to make content for me I say
May the player base someday follow in your footsteps
I got badly burnt by hearthstone played for months (my fault), and after a bit realise I didn't even really like the game that much, I was just playing to get new cards , so quit , cost me hundred of dollars, not complaining but lesson learnt, now I play can them and feel no urge to waste money, I realise hey are soulless and empty , like a run down Casio , with glassy eyed women serving you drinks
Clearly not since there are subscription MMOs, but if they aren't called FF or WoW almost no one is paying.
If everyone thought like this the gaming landscape would be significantly different. However, there’s whales out there putting in enough money to cover all of us. That’s the only people they care about.
I got to lvl 20 and ended up deleting it. I liked everything but the combat. It just feels really bad. Mainly the targeting and some of the hit boxes. Maybe if they work on it I'll try again down the road
I'm playing this solely because I made a promise to play whatever next game NCSOFT is going to release in the West, for reasons. (Any NC people reading this - yes, that CoX agreement worked, please do more.) So far it's "Mom's FF14 at home" - it has neat stuff and cool moments, but they're too diluted by uninspired trash and the whole P2W-oriented gearing/progression.
I played it for 54hrs and put it down. I thought it was pretty average. The world was large and populated and it has cool events and world bosses on a set schedule like GW2. Combat is a bit jank as it's tab target with dodge and parry, it has rubber banding/desync, traversal style of turning into an animal isn't my cup of tea. I think the base 50 dungeons are too harsh for most people, my experience was basically wiping several times and then people leaving. The P2W is also crazy, you can literally buy anything and everything based on the RNG of the AH proc. When you craft or get loot dropped there is a low % chance that it will be AHable. I made a ring and sold it for 6k Lucent which is $140 AUD on Steam and that's cheap, weapons are like 20k. Anyone who wants to play this game at a competitive level either has to be spending $ or play it like a job. I'd rather invest my time into other MMOs.
FFXIV Dawntrail review when?
I think they're just skipping that since it was "Before" Austin started doing MMO's. Kinda dumb that they skipped the 1st MMO release of this current era because of a week or two, but I think I'm just more disappointed the more I think about it, so I just gotta move on
She sounds nothing like the Baldur's Gate 3 DM?
.......anyone else read it as Austism in the title?
Loving this game it really reminds me of mmos of old.
Mmo is just a competition of who has the least to do with their time.
This guy always has the best reviews. Well done
Whens austin going to review jirads career
Honestly part of the problem is the mindset of players obsessed with "endgame"
It's an incredibly toxic mindset. I play MMOs to enjoy the scenery. So things like P2W never bother me unless it's literally "pay money or you will never get past this wall"
First off, great review as always.
Oh boy that end game gearing, the biggest of ooofs and a big no thank you imo. Not worth the squeeze even if it seems to have some cool stuff going for it. Surprisingly gambling free. These type of Korean style MMOs used to have at least 2 or 3 spinning wheels and some dice rolls linked to loot and daily rewards. Good on them to have less of that stuff.
Peace
Only if I could play it here in SEA region.... Sadge
I would love this game if I was ok with buying my gear with money or I was 15 again and had all the time in the world to keep up but they way gear score works and guild control over bosses and areas. Great game in concept and well executed sadly I am too old for this shit lol
It astonishes me they would go halfway to making a robust character building model only to kneecap their entire system by bottlenecking weapons with the cash shop or grinding.
Path of Exile is MMO now?
I got to like level 15 or so before uninstalling. The story was very shit, the combat wasn't very fun beyond "wow the magic effects look kinda neat." Tried to join my friends guild that he randomly got invited to and just watched the 24 hour request timer count down to 0. The falling glider feels like shit to use, the running mount feels slow, nothing here is worth your time. Sadly, I'd rather go back to Lost Ark but they screwed me over there when support wouldn't help me with account tied rewards were never given to me for one of the tower modes in game, and i realized my time and momey was not appreciated. Say what you will about Lost Ark, I was at least hooked with the story and the world until that happened.
2:11 I can barely tolerate myself, doubt I will be able to tolerate P2W garbo ❤
Do New World Aeternum next!
Anyone on the edge or worried about the pay to win systems in this game, it's about as pay to win as Warframe is, as like Warframe, all the premium currency can be earned through trading on the auction house with no money spent on your part.
lets give it a month
I miss EverQuest
I find that every mmo's are the same. It's always that fantasy style game. Same kind of worlds and weapons. I wish they started trying something new. Like a Cyberpunk style world.
This is just the same thing i already played many times.
im tired just looking at this game
Video interaction
wait asmon said it was almost a 10
If i could get better than 200+ ping in GW2 i would play it!
"But its not that bad!" Well ive played GW2 for years and im over the poor connection.
This content is award-worthy!
The pvpve is a deal breaker for me.
Ok, but how are you guys on Silent Hill 2 remake?
2:05 I like big buts I cannot lie. BUT this game is not for this guy.
I tried yesterday. Played the intro. It was flashy and pretty. But the gameplay and story felt very generic. I didn’t know what was going on, and not in the good way, like oh man, I wanna find out.
This game made me want to return to wow more than continue playing T&L.
So who actually owns a Raycon set of earphones?
The combat and movement feel bad.
ESO Next
Where TF is Ralph? Lol
Um, Austin has been a part of the channel forever, and recently became the full time MMO reviewer. Ralph did yesterday’s news show
There are classes. As soon as you equip 2 weapons, you will see your classname in the upper left corner of the character status screen.
2handed sword + wand makes you a paladin for example.
At 15 minutes and 5 sec into the video you see his class is a Demon Slayer.
Do new world arteum
hell yeah new mmo i get to ignore