Once I learned how to get in the slot and at the same time, rotate properly, it was like magic. Man, it's such an awesome feeling once you get it. You must get it to a point where it feels natural and the only way to do that is to swing at home, a lot. I hit foam Callaway balls in my yard and those white, plastic balls you can get for $2 at Walmart and that has helped sooo much!
Dude!! I've been watching your videos all day. Turns out, I didn't know friggin' crap about the golf swing. Thanks guys, for opening my eyes to reality.
Wow. Another great video. It’s amazing how much GEARS separates feel from real. So many instructors teaching what they THINK happens in the golf swing. GEARS doesn’t lie! BTW, love that introduction!
great, guys. Excellent discussion by Shawn. Thanks. Parenthetically, I've got a physical therapist who is -helping with my rotary balance. ( I'm the guy with no feeling below his knees). First time in six years, I compressed a 6 iron. It's a start. pk
One line i really miss in the golf simulation is the line of the belly. I cant find any info on the relationship between the chest and belly in the golf swing. There is rotation in the legs and hips, belly, and chest/arms. The relationship between the belly and chest i think is monumental to understand the golf swing, and i would really love some data on that! Ergo, when do you unwind, do you even unwind? Etc
@@AthleticMotionGolfyes, i mean, if you rotate and look at your chest, the chest have rotated further thsn the belly button. On the way down, WHEN should the chesy overtake the belly button in the unwinding process? After impact? Just before? And also, the same goes for the belly button vs the nether parts😂 would be a great reference point for understanding the winding up, and unwinding process of the body, to actually get power, vs letting all that core strength go to waist, by braking with the core through impact, or some other weird thing. Tilting is basically what controls the belly button vs the nether parts portion i think. 😂 I just hit my pw 130m and very happy with that, but my swing speed is 81mph with all clubs, not jusy the pw.. my 5 iron is also 80-85mph.. i am doing something very wrong somewhere, and i am convinced it is the core rotation i am doing wrong. Impact, path and face, all is very good.
I was working on recentering and having some trouble. Crunching the left side seemed to do the trick, and it really keeps the hips back too. Thanks guys.
Happy New Year!! This has helped unlock something in me... Thanks! Would love to see a video talking about "the magic triangle". The down the line camera angle showing the bent trail arm at impact in pro swings and the benefits. Thanks.
Superb content! At 8:27 (club at parallel), notice the upper-body (UB) to lower-body (LB) separation. Hip line is open ~27 degrees, while the shoulder line is closed ~27 degrees. That ~60 degree separation is a key variable for pro golfers allowing the core muscles to be engaged for more power. Hips drive first (rotating and shifting to an open position) before the shoulders, arms and hands.
Really love what you guys do and how you put stuff across. I'm this one the blue z-line on a blue avatar is hard to see. Can you make it yellow or something and longer too? Ta
The gears video, with the chest arrow, helped me more with the backswing. My chest arrow stays below level and greatly effects my ability to turn and moves me too far off the ball. Just getting the chest more level on the backswing makes a huge difference in my rotation.
i learned that move in my college days, tough move to get. Teaching it to people and then watching them go through the same pain you did.....feels like your stooping over and coming over the top....(when your feels are off) but when you get it, you can flush it.....straight face on back of ball at impact, feels like the club is hugging the ball at strike
What's up guys?! I'm a huge fan; love your videos. I've struggled with over the top and pull hooks for years and am little by little getting better. Your video about rotating from the center of the hips helped alot and can't wait to try this stuff. Thanks!!
@@AthleticMotionGolf Actually I went out yesterday and was ripping em!! More consistent than I have ever hit. My swing thought was I was focusing on my upper left arm(right handed golfer) and chest. I tried to make sure that my chest didn't wildly outrace my arms as it has for years. That video about pulls where you were at the simulator helped a ton also. Man hoping this consistency is here to stay. Felt great. Thanks!!!
The light in the chest idea works but it doesn't help me to generate clubhead speed. A more dynamic visualization is to picture a flame thrower centered in the chest. When I use this image I can mentally see and even hear the arc of destruction generated by the turning of the chest. The best way that I've found to get my chest moving with some aggression is to focus on turning the left and right shirt seams simultaneously back and through.
I am very guilty of this. Mike is right when I point the laser back to the ground in the downswing it feels like I am very bent over and low compared to my normal swing. I won't let that stop me from doing it now. Thanks for the tip!
I was playing at my local par 3 and caught a case of the shanks pretty bad. I ended up thinking about this video and it immediately fixed my contact. This confirmed to me that this has been the reason why I'll start shanking it out of nowhere.
Funny when I hit a ball really good I can feel I’m doing this good swing, but more often I’m trying to figure out what I did wrong(right) to have it go that far. Outstanding video as usual!
Just realised this is the missing piece to increase speed for me. The chest extends upwards at the end of the backswing, so simply undo that extension in the early downswing. Previously I have been lowering the arms but not doing the opposite in the downswing by immediately and actively lowering the chest. Just been passive. Definitely feel I can get quite a few extra mph of hand speed by using muscles of torso to drop the chest combined with extending and lowering the right arm. Now I know what pulling the rope feels like and feels very powerful! Cheers.
@@AthleticMotionGolf I think we are talking about separate things. The lower body (hips/legs) are connected to chest/Ironman light via the spine. If the lower body moves around to the left, the upper will follow.. bringing along the Ironman light and creating right side bend automatically.. no?
Make sure you are not over flexing the knees in the setup. Crucial to bend from the hip sockets.Turn the left shoulder down and the left knee down. You do not want to turn level or you will miss two ways. If you turn the hips properly using the feet knees and hips while keeping your arms passive you should have sufficient leverage even with a shorter shoulder turn. Good luck. Hope this helps. Practice in slow motion and hit short shots with the feels Mike and Shaun discussed!
As you have said previously, the lead shoulder's first move in the downswing is DOWN.. so is it not true that then the shirt buttons are essentially moving toward the trail leg, pressing into that leg and thus using the ground under that trail leg? I havent heard it explained that way, but is that correct?. OR, does the chest press into the ball, first move down? What's the feel?
No, you would not want to feel (or get) the pressure increasing into the trail leg starting down. It should be 50/50ish at the top, then move into the lead leg starting down 👍
Great and useful content as always, fellas! I have a question regarding something Mike mentioned when you two were discussing the takeaway drill when you hooked the club into the crease of your right elbow. Mike mentioned that many will take their right elbow "further away from the crease", essentially creating separation from the right elbow and the ribcage. Is this different from right arm lift? I've understood that we need right arm lift in the backswing and that it does not need to be pinned in close to us (you were in no way saying it needs to be pinned, those are my words haha).
Yes, definitely don't want to restrict the lift. He's speaking more on the "starting the lawnmower" move of pulling the elbow behind you. That's something you do want to avoid👍
Its more of a sequence drill for me chest moves B4 arms/lower body All Pros have great sequencing as they learnt golf as weak kids,most of us learnt as strong armed males!
thought of iron man light when trying to think why/ how id hit 2 great 190yd ( yes i know pros would use a 6 iron but im old!) 3 woods to set up 2 birdies on the spin yesterday then lost the magic!
When thinking about the swing, I keep coming back to the one second to complete the swing from start to finish and in the downswing it’s what, .25? I get anxiety 😥 thinking about this. It’s no wonder the game can be so hard for most of us.
Watching this last drill makes me want to get a laser pointer and see it on a shirt. I actually think this dude could market this and make a lotta money. 😉
@@AthleticMotionGolf Hi guys, interesting if you really are working on this laser on the chest idea, because I have been too, for quite while. Have filed a patent also for this use. Prototypes currently being trialled by teaching pros and amateurs. Would you like to discuss? Note I sent you a video showing a prototype last year, enquiring then whether you might be interested in helping to promote and market the device...
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Once I learned how to get in the slot and at the same time, rotate properly, it was like magic. Man, it's such an awesome feeling once you get it. You must get it to a point where it feels natural and the only way to do that is to swing at home, a lot. I hit foam Callaway balls in my yard and those white, plastic balls you can get for $2 at Walmart and that has helped sooo much!
Foam balls might be the biggest secret to improving a golf swing. Great post!
Mike and Shawn, the Mutt and Jeff of golf instruction. You guys are the best.👍
Who's who? 😂
Just came across this older video. Love the iron man light. Felt the extension on the backswing, by making the light go up. Love it !
Dude!! I've been watching your videos all day. Turns out, I didn't know friggin' crap about the golf swing. Thanks guys, for opening my eyes to reality.
Wow. Another great video. It’s amazing how much GEARS separates feel from real. So many instructors teaching what they THINK happens in the golf swing. GEARS doesn’t lie!
BTW, love that introduction!
Exactly. Data driven instruction is the future
The pointer drill is brilliant - it automatically fixes early extension.
great, guys. Excellent discussion by Shawn. Thanks. Parenthetically, I've got a physical therapist who is -helping with my rotary balance. ( I'm the guy with no feeling below his knees). First time in six years, I compressed a 6 iron. It's a start. pk
One line i really miss in the golf simulation is the line of the belly. I cant find any info on the relationship between the chest and belly in the golf swing. There is rotation in the legs and hips, belly, and chest/arms. The relationship between the belly and chest i think is monumental to understand the golf swing, and i would really love some data on that! Ergo, when do you unwind, do you even unwind? Etc
You mean the core movement basically ?
@@AthleticMotionGolfyes, i mean, if you rotate and look at your chest, the chest have rotated further thsn the belly button. On the way down, WHEN should the chesy overtake the belly button in the unwinding process? After impact? Just before? And also, the same goes for the belly button vs the nether parts😂 would be a great reference point for understanding the winding up, and unwinding process of the body, to actually get power, vs letting all that core strength go to waist, by braking with the core through impact, or some other weird thing. Tilting is basically what controls the belly button vs the nether parts portion i think. 😂
I just hit my pw 130m and very happy with that, but my swing speed is 81mph with all clubs, not jusy the pw.. my 5 iron is also 80-85mph.. i am doing something very wrong somewhere, and i am convinced it is the core rotation i am doing wrong. Impact, path and face, all is very good.
@@themusketeer9458 The chest shouldn't overtake the pelvis until after impact
@@AthleticMotionGolf okay thankd for replying! I love that you guys work hard for us normal guys who struggle understanding it all!
That downward move.... makes me think of Westwood.... great drills, can hardly wait to try them to see where I'm at. Thanks for video!
Thanks!!!
Fantastic video, the drill makes so much sense and it draws a great visual of how the body should unwind.
I was working on recentering and having some trouble. Crunching the left side seemed to do the trick, and it really keeps the hips back too. Thanks guys.
Happy New Year!! This has helped unlock something in me... Thanks! Would love to see a video talking about "the magic triangle". The down the line camera angle showing the bent trail arm at impact in pro swings and the benefits. Thanks.
Superb content! At 8:27 (club at parallel), notice the upper-body (UB) to lower-body (LB) separation. Hip line is open ~27 degrees, while the shoulder line is closed ~27 degrees. That ~60 degree separation is a key variable for pro golfers allowing the core muscles to be engaged for more power. Hips drive first (rotating and shifting to an open position) before the shoulders, arms and hands.
Really love what you guys do and how you put stuff across. I'm this one the blue z-line on a blue avatar is hard to see. Can you make it yellow or something and longer too? Ta
Excellent explanation. Thanks!
🙏👊
The gears video, with the chest arrow, helped me more with the backswing. My chest arrow stays below level and greatly effects my ability to turn and moves me too far off the ball. Just getting the chest more level on the backswing makes a huge difference in my rotation.
This was awesome. Been working on the Speed+ program but added this is a swing thought on the course. This one should be added to the Speed+ course!
Thanks! We need to add it!
i learned that move in my college days, tough move to get. Teaching it to people and then watching them go through the same pain you did.....feels like your stooping over and coming over the top....(when your feels are off) but when you get it, you can flush it.....straight face on back of ball at impact, feels like the club is hugging the ball at strike
Hard to beat that feeling 😍
What's up guys?! I'm a huge fan; love your videos. I've struggled with over the top and pull hooks for years and am little by little getting better. Your video about rotating from the center of the hips helped alot and can't wait to try this stuff. Thanks!!
Awesome! Stick with it and force yourself to make as many sloooooooow swings as possible.
@@AthleticMotionGolf Actually I went out yesterday and was ripping em!! More consistent than I have ever hit. My swing thought was I was focusing on my upper left arm(right handed golfer) and chest. I tried to make sure that my chest didn't wildly outrace my arms as it has for years. That video about pulls where you were at the simulator helped a ton also. Man hoping this consistency is here to stay. Felt great. Thanks!!!
Towards the end you mention letting the right arm straighten ...is this similar to the move P Cowan is working with Rory on recently?
Great video! Another bit of the golf swing puzzle. I can't wait to try this out when the ranges open in Sweden.
Stay warm!
Blue on blue. Nice and clear!
Thanks for the great videos. Simple and clear 👌
Thanks for watching!
Very helpful, but do the hips/legs pull the chest and arms into strike position?
rotationally, you can think of it that way, But the hips/legs do not lower the arms into position for the strike. The arms have to do their job too 🙂
Another gem! Good job! I would add that (at least for my swing) if you can keep the arms very relaxed this combo will give you effortless power.
always better than powerless effort 😊
The light in the chest idea works but it doesn't help me to generate clubhead speed. A more dynamic visualization is to picture a flame thrower centered in the chest. When I use this image I can mentally see and even hear the arc of destruction generated by the turning of the chest. The best way that I've found to get my chest moving with some aggression is to focus on turning the left and right shirt seams simultaneously back and through.
I am very guilty of this. Mike is right when I point the laser back to the ground in the downswing it feels like I am very bent over and low compared to my normal swing. I won't let that stop me from doing it now. Thanks for the tip!
Love it!
I was playing at my local par 3 and caught a case of the shanks pretty bad. I ended up thinking about this video and it immediately fixed my contact. This confirmed to me that this has been the reason why I'll start shanking it out of nowhere.
Awesome video Shawn and Mike. I know what I’ll be practicing this weekend!!
You guys are awesome
Great content as always. The blue line is difficult to see on the blue guy gears example. Please change it to stand out.
Noted 👍
Great stuff guys!!!!!!
Thanks brother👊
Funny when I hit a ball really good I can feel I’m doing this good swing, but more often I’m trying to figure out what I did wrong(right) to have it go that far. Outstanding video as usual!
That pretty much sums up golf in a nutshell 😊
Just realised this is the missing piece to increase speed for me. The chest extends upwards at the end of the backswing, so simply undo that extension in the early downswing. Previously I have been lowering the arms but not doing the opposite in the downswing by immediately and actively lowering the chest. Just been passive. Definitely feel I can get quite a few extra mph of hand speed by using muscles of torso to drop the chest combined with extending and lowering the right arm. Now I know what pulling the rope feels like and feels very powerful! Cheers.
Isn't the initial downswing movement of the chest/ironman light a direct result of the lower body motion? Lower body pulling the upper body down?
How much (inches) do u think the average tour winner lowers their lower body in the downswing?
@@AthleticMotionGolf I think we are talking about separate things. The lower body (hips/legs) are connected to chest/Ironman light via the spine. If the lower body moves around to the left, the upper will follow.. bringing along the Ironman light and creating right side bend automatically.. no?
Thanks for the reply!
Is this concept only for the irons or is it also for the driver
both. Just less movement foward with the driver
Both
Question: imagine the camera moved so it always faced the sternum face on, how would the arms move, more specifically, the trail arm?
We're shooting a podcast today on that very topic 👊
So I really feel like mobility is a major issue for me but it's never talked about, am I just making it difficult for myself of something?
Make sure you are not over flexing the knees in the setup. Crucial to bend from the hip sockets.Turn the left shoulder down and the left knee down. You do not want to turn level or you will miss two ways. If you turn the hips properly using the feet knees and hips while keeping your arms passive you should have sufficient leverage even with a shorter shoulder turn. Good luck. Hope this helps. Practice in slow motion and hit short shots with the feels Mike and Shaun discussed!
@@nicholasdemetriades9154 GREAT advice
As you have said previously, the lead shoulder's first move in the downswing is DOWN..
so is it not true that then the shirt buttons are essentially moving toward the trail leg, pressing into that leg and thus using the ground under that trail leg?
I havent heard it explained that way, but is that correct?.
OR, does the chest press into the ball, first move down? What's the feel?
No, you would not want to feel (or get) the pressure increasing into the trail leg starting down. It should be 50/50ish at the top, then move into the lead leg starting down 👍
Brilliant vid lads. I’m so guilty of doing this.
You're not alone in that
Great and useful content as always, fellas! I have a question regarding something Mike mentioned when you two were discussing the takeaway drill when you hooked the club into the crease of your right elbow. Mike mentioned that many will take their right elbow "further away from the crease", essentially creating separation from the right elbow and the ribcage. Is this different from right arm lift? I've understood that we need right arm lift in the backswing and that it does not need to be pinned in close to us (you were in no way saying it needs to be pinned, those are my words haha).
Yes, definitely don't want to restrict the lift. He's speaking more on the "starting the lawnmower" move of pulling the elbow behind you. That's something you do want to avoid👍
Amazing how intentionally getting that chest pointing down fixes so many other issues in the swing
It's often the missing piece for so many of the golfers we see.
Yea I will concentrate on that laser beam , I do hit a lot off “pulled” shots .
Thanks
put in iron man light my latest lightbulb moment and up came this great video, 3 years ago!
Its more of a sequence drill for me chest moves B4 arms/lower body All Pros have great sequencing as they learnt golf as weak kids,most of us learnt as strong armed males!
thought of iron man light when trying to think why/ how id hit 2 great 190yd ( yes i know pros would use a 6 iron but im old!) 3 woods to set up 2 birdies on the spin yesterday then lost the magic!
When thinking about the swing, I keep coming back to the one second to complete the swing from start to finish and in the downswing it’s what, .25? I get anxiety 😥 thinking about this. It’s no wonder the game can be so hard for most of us.
Nice
🙏
Mr Havacamp was a pure ball striker !! He hit a highdraw!
Very underrated ball striker!😂
Watching this last drill makes me want to get a laser pointer and see it on a shirt. I actually think this dude could market this and make a lotta money. 😉
haha were working on it actually! haha
@@AthleticMotionGolf Hi guys, interesting if you really are working on this laser on the chest idea, because I have been too, for quite while. Have filed a patent also for this use. Prototypes currently being trialled by teaching pros and amateurs. Would you like to discuss? Note I sent you a video showing a prototype last year, enquiring then whether you might be interested in helping to promote and market the device...
Pew pew pew!
😂
That's a peach hon!
😂
A piece of velcro on the front of the shirt to hook the laser light would be awesome.
Anyways great video very helpful.
Love it 🤓
I always try to guess who the pro is
It's not Mr Havenkamp 😊
"bend" comes back as hips move left as the downswing starts - pass the video