Doctor Who: Rise of the Cybermen/The Age of Steel - REVIEW - Cybercember
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Mickey is ultimately an underrated companion (and he is a companion he appeared for a longer time than Katarina, and she is often listed as the first companion death so yeah). And I think there is more you could have done with him on the Tardis longer than the 4 episodes he gets (he is very much a minor character in School Reunion and Girl in a Fireplace and does not do much in those stories). But as for the character as a whole, it is certainly something to see the character who was originally cowering in fear in front of the Nestene Consciousness in 'Rose' to the person who at the end story here effectively signs up to go to war with the Cybermen knowing that even if he wins he will likely not see the Doctor and Rose again.
I love how this story *industrialises* the concept of cyber conversion
not only does it make perfect sense since the Cybermen are all about efficiency, but the visuals of so many people marching into a factory single file is just...so disturbing, in the best way
that's something the entire modern era should be praised for tbh - not shying away from the body horror of what it means to become a Cyberman
Do you think moffat undercut that horror by subtly changing it from just a human brain in a metal suit to a human in a metal suit eg the pandorica opens
Then further in “closing time” by making it possible to reverse a conversion through love.
God seeing Mickey's reaction to the carpet made me shed a tear. This two parter really was his best growth of character.
Maybe he was so confrontational at the start about Rose seeing her dad because of the events of Father's Day.
Yeah, that's the impression I got. He saw what happened the last time Rose was tempted so he's got to be a bit more firm this time. Incidentally, it's a good thing I saw at least half of Father's Day prior to this one by random chance so I had some of that context while just watching particular episodes.
"The human brain is the most precious thing on this earth and yet we allow it to die." That's Lumic's motive right there.
Sounds like a sales pitch.
Yeah, I can't believe he watched it, and still asked the question "Why does Lumic want everyone to become cybermen?". It's obvious he genuinely sees it as helping people.
@@nickbrough8335 He asked for a motive, he literally said it doesn't need to be anything deep, just a motive. That's the motive.
@@MrThorfan64 Good catch! It's Because the Cybermen in this reality were born out of a production line rather than desparate survival, right?
@The Reverse Different people have different standards for what is considered "compelling". A villain can be in the wrong, and be compelling, be it because of their actions coming from a place of good intentions, or by just showing that they are complex people.
What makes the cybermen, and by extention Lumic compelling is that an argument could be made for why conversion is good for you.
The "Why am I cold" scene is (in my books) *the definitive* Cyberman scene. It's 100% perfect
Did you know that in that scene it was meant to be a child talking, but they ended up changing it to a bride as they thought hearing a Childs voice would be too upsetting.
@@Sisterspike1 oh oh my
@@Sisterspike1 plus it would just raise questions about the Cyberman being so tall for a child
@@maldon3659 They're just a brain in a metal suit, so height wouldn't be an issue, surely?
@@zealferal oh, I thought the entire human body was upgraded kind of like what we saw in Attack Of The Cybermen but it seems I was wrong
It's strange for such an iconic monster that so few classic and modern Cyberman stories are great.
Maybe not enough writers understand what makes them scary?
Can't blame them, i only really began to understand it after 'World enough and Time'. Before that i didn't really like the cybermen at all, now they're kinda my faves.
@@peterstangl8295 Same. Spending time on the lower decks as the colonists become sicker and fewer really immerses you into the psychology behind the Cybermen. This two-parter does that as well, albeit in a different way, but ultimately the Cybermen are stronger when explored as monstrous survivors. I just have no interest in stories where they’re armoured thugs. You need body horror and social commentary for the concept to work.
@@lewiskazinsky7334 yes! But even more effective than the bodyhorror aspect: the tragedy of it all. Like that scene in 'Spare Parts' when the converted girl returns to her family.
@@peterstangl8295 Oh my god that scene almost broke me! The dad trying to play it off as normal and showing her the garden brought me to tears.
that is testament to how compelling the iconography and idea of the cybermen are - as that’s what’s dragged them through the last 50 years instead of the episode quality
1. I always thought Lumic wanted to convert the whole population because in his own frailty he saw humanity's frailty, and wants to get rid of it. He wants the species to evolve, I'm sure he says something like that at some point. He values the human brain but thinks it is let down by the human body, and basically just thinks a cyber society is better
2. I believe there's a throwaway line of dialogue where Lumic says they crash the party to trst how effective the new cybermen are, giving them a bit of conflict, a run out etc
3. I guess Lumic felt confident in assassinating the President without it having any reprecussions because of the earpods so he did it, specifically targetting him for denying his patent for cybermen at the start of the story
4. Crane knows Lumic is upgrading the homeless and dispossessed, for cybermen that can help cybus industries/be test attempts for Lumic's conversion, but doesn't know Lumic is going to target all of society, and turns on him when he does. Basically he's a dick who thinks homeless people are scum, sounds believable to me sadly
Yeah I am pretty sure that's the line in the opening scene of these reviews on the cybermen. Thanks also for giving the comment that stops the episode from being ruined for people. As it properly does the whole cybermen thing. I think the two ways you can go with it are good but at least if you think of the episode in the right way it works thematically.
It seems more believable to me that Crane wants revenge after what he feels is a betrayal. We can imagine that he was expecting that he was going to be spared from the conversion, but he was not.
Trilbee: “I will never understand why Ricky interrogates Mickey in just his underwear....”
*George Michael’s Careless Whisper starts playing*
Mr Tardis seems a bit slow at picking up on the gay subtext in this story.
Well the 9th Doctor got a topless interrogation in Dalek and I don't think he asked that question in Dalekcember last year.
@@Jedi_Spartan_38 there’s a simple explanation for that......GET IN THE CHURCH!
God, I absolutely adore George Michael.
6:15 did you forget the part where Rose summoned the reapers with her daddy issues? As much as the doctor loves his companions, even as a child, I understood where Doctor was coming from in regards to Rose and Pete. That's not a knock on either story by the way, this is actually good continuity imo.
21:52 The prisoners, the refugees, the dispossessed they all came to us... Erm, wrong story
lumic had his own davros moment when the cybermen betraying him in a way
Could you really say they betrayed him though, they converted him out of a twisted kindness, this kindness goes along the same line of thinking as Lumic used when creating the cybermen.
No they saved his life, in a messed up twisted way they saved him. The daleks tried to kill davros not repair him.
@@Lone_Cyberman_Productions guess you are right there, he became one in the end but its something he feared as much as he admired, he knows the cost, the shock of being wheeled into the conversion chamber must've been quite terrifying, he got hoisted by his own petard. Not sure how the cybermans chest panel functioned as an override though, it did have echoes of when the daleks overrode davros's wheelchair in an audio story
"We've an old saying that's been handed down through generations of Cybermen. Look after your broom."
I think the weirdest thing about this two parter, is that the titles were the wrong way round. The Cybermen were a cliffhanger reveal at the end of the first episode. Therefore, that episode should had been called "The Age of Steel". The second part being called "Rise of the Cybermen" would have made a lot more sense.
I'd say that Lumic wanted to convert everyone to give the humanity eternal life. And I think it's pretty obvious from a phrase spoken multiple times that the cyberman are Lumic's eternal children. Also his plan just to convert everyone is the way it is because he is insane and doesn't and can't really have reasonable demands and points (he's basically an insane terrorist with a radical cyberjihad of sorts (didn't mean to offend anyone))
Still, that motivation and goal was really poorly defined. And insanity isn’t a satisfactory explanation on it’s own, a villain who just does things for no discernible reason isn’t really engaging as we don’t get a clear idea of what the heroes are up against and what the stakes at hand are.
For example, the Joker in the Dark Knight is insane yes, but he has a clear goal in mind, all of his actions throughout the film are trying to prove his point that people are all easily corruptible and will abandon their morals in the face of extremes. That’s what makes him so compelling, the fact that we actually know what his endgame is not only shows the audience what it is that’s at risk and what Batman has to fight for, but it also makes his insanity more intimidating as we know that he will literally do anything to achieve that goal.
My very first Doctor Who episode, I was 6 years old and my friend and Mum wanted to watch Doctor Who. I was unsure, thought it would be bad, but the second that Cyberman smashed through the window... I became a Doctor Who fan and the Cybermen (to this day) are my favourite characters of the show.
Also, to answer your question regarding Lumic’s motivation, Lumic believes that the brain is the most precious thing on Earth and feels it should not be allowed to die. Yeah, that’s not the most in-depth reasoning in the world but it is a motivation.
@@oliversvoice4383 exactly and sometimes that's all you need
I re-watched the story last night and I think I have a new motivation: He didn’t care for ‘preservation of life’, that was merely what he told himself to justify his actions. In reality, he simply believed this was a natural evolution and, with the world in the palm of his hands through Cybus Industries, he saw his ‘takeover’ as a mission to save humanity.
The scene that gave me that idea is his first scene in Age of Steel where he (in his own way) joyfully celebrates the Cybermen, he pushes for for their belief… and, in doing so, there’s a desperation to the delivery that makes me think the following… He programmed the Cybermen to match his own beliefs, the Cybermen’s comments of how they “think of the humans… think of their differences and their pain”, while they “suffer in the skin” are Lumic’s belief filtered though his creation.
I remember losing my grandma a year before this story was aired, and the scene where Mickey sees his gran in this story touched my heart
I met Graeme Harper at a small fan event in Liverpool, he signed my DVDs of Rise of the Cybermen/The Age of Steel and Revelation of the Daleks, he's a really nice guy and he spoke a lot about how great it was bringing the Cybermen back. He also directed Doomsday and apparently there were loads of Cyberman scenes cut from that episode, whole scenes involving Cybermen fighting soldiers on the streets that we only see a tiny bit of in the actual episode
"Why does John Lumic want to convert the population?" Well, I'll do my best at answering that.
Obviously Lumic needs to convert into a cyberman, but let's be honest here. If Lumic was the only one who did that living in a world full of humans, the exclusion and prejudice he would receive would be off the scale. Think of how unnerving it would be for people in a room with him, and how much they'd be trying to find a way to get away from him. There's no way Cyber-Lumic could be a part of human civilisation without any consequence when he's the only one who is a Cyberman. As such, he wants everyone else to be the same as him (which is part of the reason why he's so fitting as a creator/humanistic version of them, in the same way that Davros is to the Daleks, because he embodies the ideals of the Cybermen so well). He wants acceptance, he's probably been facing physical and social disadvantages thanks to his disability for some time, the last thing he wants is to face exclusion and bile from those who are unwilling to accept him as a Cyberman. Lumic seems to believe he is a great man, constantly bringing how the technological developments of his company have benefitted the world. He doesn't want his name and legacy as a genius inventor and inspirational mind to be tarnished because some people might be racist towards him due to his upgrades.
Also, Lumic has been crippled and dying for quite some time as the story goes out of its way to remind us. Lumic has been facing the brink of death for a while and has obviously therefore had a lot of time to reflect on the fragility and mortality of humans in general, and how beneficial it would be (from his point of view) to remove that and preserve life, and cybernetic enhancements are his method of doing that. Lumic's own approach to death has made him want to repel it in any way he can, and by converting everyone into Cybermen, he will accomplish this. There is dialogue in the story that supports this notion. The speech Lumic gives to the President in part one (particularly the line you chose to include in the intro of Cybercember "The most precious thing is the human brain and yet we allow it to die") perfectly demonstrates this. He wants to achieve preservation not only for himself, but for everyone, as he believes sickness and age will get them all in the end (again, another reason why he is such a great representative for the Cybermen and their ideals in NuWho). Hence why he advertises the choice of being upgraded to the doctor in part 2, by stating his Cybermen never sicken and have a life without pain.
On top of that, being a dying cripple and the fact that nobody else seems to be able/willing to help him probably just made him a little angry at the world, too. The fact that the President refused his plans and 'condemned' him in his mind probably made him think "screw it if these causes you guys pain and heartache, I'm doing this and to hell with you guys if you don't like it". As such, there are plenty of reasons subtly indicated in the story as to why Lumic wants to upgrade everyone and not just himself.
As for the Mr Crane stuff, I think it's just a case of selfish business sidekick is cool with doing immoral things until his association with a crazy madman catches up with him. He was perfectly willing to go along with Lumic's plans until it was his turn to get upgraded. His turning point was after he ripped out his ear pod once Lumic tried to brainwash/hypnotise him into walking into the upgrading factory. After that, he found Lumic and tried to kill him, because he realised he wouldn't be spared.
Yeah, you're re-writing would have been a good way to make sure everything made sense but I think the way it is mostly makes sense anyway. Some of it just isn't stated blatantly outright but is rather implied through subtle hints and subtext, such as what I've just pointed out.
I think he just killed the President out of spite. He expected the President wouldn't accept the upgrade offer, and would in turn be killed. But this is the same man who 'condemned' him earlier, in his mind. He probably hated the President's guts after that. Also, since he isn't a complete monster but rather just an over-ambitious madman, Lumic probably wanted to be fair and give everyone the offer of upgrading by their own choice first before resorting to the ear pods to brainwash them.
You're right that the story could have done more to build the new parallel world it just introduced (though given how much it already had to juggle around in this 90 minute story, it did a decent enough job overall). But I think there's just enough world building here for the story to get away with it. This two-parter isn't completely perfect but it's at least a solid 8/10 for me. Easily one of the best NuWho stories (to be fair, the bar isn't particularly high) and quite underrated imo.
Still, your reviews amaze me as always with how technically polished and informative they are. (P.S. had no idea about the Jake-Ricky gay deleted scene, lol that was a surprise for me)
That was a lot. But I agree with it.
I'm disappointed that you didn't discuss in detail what I consider was a real strength of this story: the emphasis on the horror of the real people that have been converted, something that we did not see much of in Classic Who. Three particular ways this was emphasised: 1) We knew Pete's world Jackie Tyler before she was converted. 2) We heard the cyberconverted bride-to-be Sally Phelan talk about her fiance etc 3) we saw the reactions of all the cybermen with their inhibitors off. These were the things that for me made this a groundbreaking story.
I think the reason Mickey was in his underwear was because they assumed that Cybus were cloning people, and wanted to check stuff like birthmarks, or other specific body details to investigate it, like when Ricky says "We are exactly the same"
“The human brain is the most precious thing on this planet, yet we allow it to die.” His motive.
‘noel clark.. more on this later’ 😳
13:18 so, SO glad you talked about this. On my recent rewatch that was my favorite scene of the entire story.
Best portrayal of cyber conversion. Scary stuff when I was younger. Still scary now.
Love that little detail of saying Jackie is 39 😂🤣 even Trilbee knows if he says 40 then he’s screwed
@@jaytender4949 agreed!
4:12 I actually would stomp around my house and the school playground making the sound of the footsteps, brings back good memories, as well as memories of being scared shitless every time they appeared on screen.
Why Am I Cold? I’m So Cold!
Age of Steel really felt like the spiritual sequel to the 60s Cyberman stories
I'm not worried about Lumic's motivation. He's a megalomanic with a fixed objective.
Mr Crane helps Lumic cause he gets to drive a massive HGV with a Doctor Who reference on it...
9:32 - 16:40 was a beautiful character analysis of Mickey. He's in my eyes one of the best side companions of the revived series and honestly deserves more love in this fandom.
Oh man, Cyberwoman is tomorrow, can't wait for that one
Girls getting converted: “I waited for you”
Boys being converted: “ omewae omewae aweee aweee ombabewe
If you work for Graeme Harper, he pretty much owns you for life.
Lumic’s plan is basically:
Step 1: Turn everyone into Cybermen
Step 2: ???
Step 3: Profit
Imo, the Cybermen have only been done well once in the modern show and that’s World enough and time.
I did like how chris chibnall use the Cyberman in The Haunting of Villa Diodati
Ascension of the Cybermen
The Timeless Children
@@charlesfranze3571 Well I haven’t watched series 12, apart from Spyfall. The current era just doesn’t vibe with me. Gonna wait for a new Doctor or show runner.
@@charlesfranze3571 The lone cyberman was handled fantastically in Villa Diodati, one of the best cyberman stories imo
@@jamieramshaw8425 A lot of people hate the Chibnall era reasons for various reasons (some fair, like having too many companions, others not so fair, like the general hate given to Jodie just because she's the first female doctor) but Villa Diodati is probably up there as one of the best Cybermen stories NuWho has done (certainly better than either of the Cybermen stories they gave to poor Matt Smith, I mean I'm already mentally preparing for the Great James Corden Cybermen disaster of 2011).
@@calumbishop7082 God I forget that epsiode existed, frankly it would have been so much better if he was converted, then at least it would have been a poignent epsiode
I don't cry at many things in Doctor Who... but Mickey seeing his parallel Grandmother always gets me
Holy balls, I've just realized the Cybermen's first kill here was Big Finish Rassilon from Zagreus
So he fled into another world and used a Chameleon arch? And then regenerates and goes back? But remembers this for Supremacy?
I have a bit of a tribute on Rise of the Cybermen, Back in 2006 at the end credits I was expecting a next time trailer on The Age of Steel, And as soon as the episode ends I was a little disappointed when there's no one, However looking back now it kinda make sense, Not only because Series 1's next time trailers does ruin it a bit, But it does remind me of the classic series, Because it does serves the purpose of a cliffhanger done right, Not showing how the heroes will be able to escape the danger, Think about it stories like 'World War Three, The Doctor Dances & Bad Wolf' kinda ruin it on the next time trailer's part, That's just on my part is all I'm saying.
I can't believe Mr. TARDIS missed Lumic's 'Excellent' at the start of Rise of the Cybermen (at least, I think he says it at the start... eh, somewhere in these episodes he says it...)
The president can’t hear you Ten, he has EarPods in!
I saw a lot of parallels between this and Genesis of the Daleks. Lumic was basically the Cybermen’s Davros.
I know this is a little too early to ask but what’s next on the cards for December 2021? Mastercember? Sontarancember? Weepingcember? Regenerationcember? Ice Warrior-cember?
Especially since your going into other media so you can space out the first 25 days.
I’m a massive fan of the idea of having a crippled and dying man like Lumic developing a god complex due to the massive innovations Cybus was responsible for pre conversion stuff, he felt like he was necessary to the world and he felt his innovations were necessary for everyone, with or without their consent, I mean imagine how someone so delusional with that much power would act, it’s a pretty neat characterisation for him.
I love you trilbee. I really do. I have followed you for about over 9 years now, and have not disagreed with you on much, but I gotta on this. Lumic does have a motivation. Lumic is a man driven by his egotistical worldview and narcissism. Someone else mentioned the quote Lumic says about the human brain. He needs this, and so he starts researching it. After looking at it, he discovers the horrors of conversion and the loss of individuality, but he doesn't stop it. He uses conversion as a cruel punishment for those whom he has distain for (which is all humanity). He wants to maintain individuality and emotion for himself but has no problem taking it from others. Also he has been publicly criticised by the president. I think he crashed that party as a power play mainly because he could. Lumic's ultimate flaw is that he was too paranoid. He didn't trust Mr. Cole, and that lead to Mr. Cole to do what he did. I don't really like much of Series 2. But this is my favorite story in it.
"What happens if I refuse?"
"I'm telling you, don't"!
I wouldn't even really consider the shutdown code thing to not be a deux-ex machina outside of the Mickey thing because the Doctor was clearly pushing him along to get to that point and as established in the scene they made everything compatible with everything else so it all kind of slides along well enough.
As for Lumic the way I view it is that he is the kind of man arrogant enough to assume that the Cybermen way of life will be better in the long run and wants to impose that onto others (I mean he's already got everybody on downloads and stuff so this is just the next step for him). He's a bit hypocritical of course since he himself doesn't want to be converted until he actually dies but he seems pretty firm that in the long run people will be better off this way. He's already kind of a Davros homage-rip-off anyway so it's not really as huge a hole as the video suggests.
Also, kind of surprised you didn't mention the whole DELETE business which seems to be one of the more contested aspects of these particular Cybies.
This story will always have a place in my heart because it was one of the first Doctor Who stories I watched (caught Girl in the Fireplace while channel surfing one day and decided to just keep watching because I was bored).
I mean, for your plot hole argument, doesn't the quote that you use from this two-parter at the start of your intro explain it? He does it for the continued existence and perseverance of the human race. A machine is undying and untiring. Nor can it become sick in the same sense as a human could.
Great video, but I have to disagree with you on the John Lumic thing, the dude was simply a classic mad scientist, he truly believed that the Cybermen were the perfect upgrade for all of humanity because he thought that humans were too weak and too vulnerable. And in regards to the other themes behind Lumic's plan, what better way to control the population than if literally nobody has the ability to think outside of the box or for themselves as Cybermen, he's a simple villain, but I think they pull him off really well and I love the idea that in the parallel universe the Cybermen are birthed out of one maniac genius who thinks he's a God, it adds another layer to the Cybermen human dynamic, but I do agree about Mr. Crane, when he turns on Lumic in the second part it always kind of confuses me XD Great video though, I really enjoyed it and hope you have a good Christmas!
That John Lumic plothole also rears its head during that scene where he meets the President, asking him to approve "the ultimate upgrade" ("but I am dying"). It's left vague what Lumic is actually asking for here, and retrospectively makes little sense why Lumic is meeting him.
20:25 I always interpreted it that Crain was pissed that Lumic tried to brainwash him, maybe he thought he would be spared but when he realized Lumic was trying to betray him he decided to take him down
... I just think that Lumic has a God complex ...
One of my mum's friends boyfriend played the Cyberman who first enters the party scene, as he was living in Cardiff at the time and so signed up, he's the shortest and is still around 6 feet
Did anyone notice that when a Cyberman speaks, it's literally Bluetooth?
This was the perfect way to bring the Cybermen into the modern era of Doctor Who. Still one of my absolute favourite stories
Oh boy, am I looking forward to tomorrow, no joke, I'm more excited about your review of Cyberwoman than any other story lmao
Funny enough, Roger Lloyd Pack and David Tennant were both in Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire movie where they played Bartimus Crouch and Barty Crouch, Jr. respectively
This was the first Doctor Who story I ever watched and I wouldn't be tbe person I am today without this beautiful series!
I think that Lumic's motivation for turning the human race into Cybermen was a messiah complex. He's believes himself superior to others (the Cybermen later say that he is superior), has the political and economical means to do whatever he wants, and thinks the human race is flawed. He says himself as the Cyber Controller that he is setting people "free" with "a life without pain" - Lumic's life has been fraught with health problems, making him immobile in that wheelchair. He simply wants mankind to share in his freedom of pain - that and paired with his insanity.
Though that rewrite would've been exceptional, and it is partly done after Crane's attack on him with the Cybermen forcibly converting him.
Oh and since I forgot to mention this, I assume the reason he let the President get offed was out of revenge for him denying him the whole "saving his life" thing.
And we got a great meme out of it regardless.
I dont know if anyone else has pointed this out but both David Tennant and Roger Lloyd Pack were both in the 4th Harry Potter movie together “the Goblet of Fire”
I just think its a funny little coincidence they also showed up in Doctor Who together
Whilst I think I'd still say that Lumic has a motive, in that he feels it's the best thing for humanity in a "Lizard from TASM" kind of way, I cannot fault your rewrite. It's such a shame that sometimes people try their best to make an awesome story, and it's only afterwards it's made that its potential is realised. Ah well, the MIckey stuff is glorious, and thank you for reminding me of that.
disagree with ten's treatment of Rose. Have you actually seen Father's Day, my man knows how much she can fuck shit up when it comes to her Dad. He was getting intron of a problem before began.
No, it's not like The Doctor has been to an alternate universe before. (coughs)"E-Space!"
(coughs) "Adric!"
(coughs) "Inferno"!
Mr. TARDIS, do you think I need to you think I need to have that cough looked at?
Seriously though writing hiccup aside this was still a superb story.
Those are only two instances in the whole of the classic show though, and considering each time we get a parallel universe story it’s usually set in an entirely different universe from last time so it’s always going to be strange and unknown each time.
I'm in complete agreement with you about this story. I loved it when I first saw it but it's faults are obvious with hindsight. I think it was heavily ghost written by RTD but it needed at least another draft or two to really make it shine. I'd honestly love a spin-off of Pete's World. This iteration of the Cybermen design is genuinely amazing and iconic, I love it. It is a great shame the Cybusmen never really hit it out of the park with a properly classic story.
I always thought that Lumics motivation was because he thought that the Cybermen were the best direct toon humanity should go in
I think the Dalek’s and Cybermen are my all time favourite enemies of all time. And the ninth and tenth doctors are my favourite doctors. I really want a box set of all the old doctor who episodes too
Meh...
Love this episode. Loving Cybercember!
Bruh I don't remember the scene with Mickey's grandmother being that hecking sad.
No thoughts on the who “delete delete” thing?
The cliff hanger for this episode was one of the best. Next to the stolen earth.
This episode did age remarkable well. John Lumic, a man who was smarter than the average person, believed he knew what was best for them and forced a medical procedure on them, claiming it was for their own good but didn't want the procedure for himself. Even owning his own news networks which he used to cover up his crimes. If it were written today we'd say it was on the nose.
A friend of mine who isn't in to Doctor Who recently watched this episode about a month ago and asked the very same question you did here, "Why does Lumic want to convert people into Cyber-Men?"
And I genuinely couldn't come up with a solid answer...
I never really thought about the whole lumic thing but I guess if he turned himself into a cyberman the public wouldn’t accept him and would be scared of this emotionless robot so by converting everyone there would be no opposition
In trems of the revived series, The Cybermen costumes 'Up until 2013' in this story 'And later stories' are my second favourite ones in the revived, My all time favourite ones.. More on that in later days.
I know I'm 3 years late but I personally always saw the reason why Lumic wanting to convert humanity into Cybermen as him seeing the people of Earth as his property, and his position of power on his Earth most likely did not help the viewpoint getting weaker, and just like every powerful megalomaniac throughout history he didn't want too loose what he has when he dies, and so decided too make that viewpoint permanent by forcing everyone on Earth too be his eternal slaves in silver walking coffins.
EDIT: Oh yeah, and the reason why he assassinated the President of the UK is most likely out of petty spite because he said no too that overgrown man baby of a business man.
Maybe it's 6 tapping into 10's feelings in the parallel world
You should do a christmas-cember. Reviewing every Christmas special/story set on Christmas/Christmas themed story
Cannot wait for the cyberwoman review tomorrow. It is certainly... something.
LOL Dear lord that story is cringe making.
13:10 guess they were looking for wires or hidden weapons or whatever
The funny thing is, if they didnt have emotional suppressors and brain conditioning i bet they might have had a load of volunteers for de facto immortality, albeit in a suit of armour.
Okay, I need clarification, didn't it say like in a doctor who guide book or monster guide book or some magizine some where that the following explanation was giving? and Im paraphrasing but it said something along the lines of
"A cyber men from our world, fell through the void and crashed landed on the parallel earth and lumic studied it and reversed engineered it and basically got the idea for his cybermen plan"
I do definitely remember that from somewhere, but like you, I could t tell you where from.
I think Crane was influenced by the cyber ear pods and when he took them off, he was back to normal.
I think that I would have been more accepting the the more robotic Cyberman design if the parallel world had more of an emphasis on cybernetics. Not necessarily as any way to survive extreme conditions but just as alternative solutions to medical problems we have in the real world eg: having more slimmed down versions of Cybermen arms and legs as prosthetic limbs or Cybus branded based chest boxes to assist in things such as heart or lung based diseases (similar to what one of the characters in Spare Parts had) so that these Cybermen were seen by the standard people on that Earth as just another upgrade. Another thing I'd like to mention: which situation would have been worse to be in when the mind control/emotional inhibitors got cut off, having already been converted into a Cyberman or having just stepped into a conversion chamber.
Oh God it's Cyberwoman...
What's so funny about your video, in the end, I also felt that this should've led to a spin off series.
I must confess I never really liked the RTD era cybermen design.... The chunky legs look like buzz lightyear's legs and that loud steam punk stomp sound they make while walking kinda takes always the element of surprise as you could year them partially a mile off. Also I never really liked the voice FX they gave the RDT cybermen either they kinda sound like that machine Steven Hawkins used to speak with gone faulty. ... Personally I think a deep pitch voice like the 80s cybermen mixed with a synthesized voice effect like the moonbase and Tomb cybermen would have suit them more or modern cybermen in general
I like these Cybermen but of the New Who Cybies I prefer the Moffat era ones. I like the voice and design just a little more. The Chibnall ones are alright but they haven't really done a lot (and less said about the Cyberlords the better).
I couldn't agree more.
There is a Big Finish audio series called New Earth.
That’s set on the planet New Earth though, not Pete’s world.
Can we appreciate Tennant and Lloyd-Pack’s post-HP reunion as a reverse Goblet of Fire? Tennant once played servant to a villain seeking immortality, and now Lloyd-Pack played a man trying to turn humanity immortal.
To be fair, Rose did cause a paradox last time she met her dad. In the context of this story, anyway.
This is a weird, wonderful mess of a story. The parallel Earth's world building is fantastic, Mickey and the Doctor shine as great regular characters, the commentary on how the Cybermen fit into modern times is potent, the redesign themselves are great and Harper's direction is top tier. It isn't nearly as good as Spare Parts or World Enough and Time when it comes to Cyber origins but it's a explosive and fun 90 minute blockbuster in the middle of the weakest RTD season that effortlessly brought the Cybermen back.
its really kind of funny, I've watched these episodes loads and I actually thought for the first time at the very beginning of this video, "why does Lumic want to convert humanity? there's no real point to it." and then at 17:39 you bring it up. It so true.
This story when it was broadcast scared the living sh** out of me ! Made the cyber men feel like a truth force to be reckoned with.... for a while
This episode is on February 1st is my birthday is always fun when that happens
Also, at 6:08 you mentioned that the Doctor is almost out of character with this confrontation, but I think this is a staple part of his character. Its his duty as a Time Lord.
We see in Father's Day, Rise of the Cybermen, and Army of Ghosts that he's especially irritated at events like this, events a Time Lord is supposed to maintain.
In Fires of Pompeii and The Haunting of Villa Diodati that the Doctor becomes hostile very quickly when faced with time altering events that go against their strong moral code.
In Series 3, it explains that its instinct to go against his morals when presented with such situations.
I did like the Lumic Cyber Controller, despite the obvious weak spot on the head.
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I've always thought that Lumic wanted the rest of the population converted as he felt pity for them, that they could not be uplifted to immortality as he wanted himself to become. As for why he didn't just use the earpods in the first place, I feel that maybe his insanity just got to him and he decided to make a scene and assassinate his opponents with style. Anyways, keep up your great work on your reviews. They're really enjoyable, can't wait to see your thoughts on Cyberwoman. 👍
18:06 Sam O'Nella "Somebody is critisizing Elon Musk, and they're using typos."
You say the Doctor is unreasonable at the beginning, but to be fair, the last time something revolves around Pete was concerned, the Doctor almost died and Rose nearly brought about the end of everything, so ya know... I’d probably want her locked in the TARDIS the entire episode.
My guess as to why he wants to convert everyone into cyber men is so he isn’t by himself when he converts. It’s basically so he can justify it as the norm and not feel like a freak.
I remember hearing something like Elon Musk wanting to make something similar to those ear pods, Rise of the Cybermen is not a fucking documentary Elon!