Small "critique" but in the dp trainer battles that you timed, did you also use an intimidate Luxio, just like in tge side by side? If you did, intimidate added about a whopping 7 seconds before you're able to pick a move, there's a reason you're also told "don't have an ability that takes time" by shiny hunters and the such lol. Obviously if you didn't it doesn't matter, but just something I noticed in the side-by-side with dp and rb. Great video though :D
@@unchiez1722 oh I didn't egen realize that either. No wonder the time ended up being suuuper high, like 58 seconds or something (I don't remember it was late last night)
@@zememerr2329 yea pretty much anything isn't:main trainer text, send out pokemon, attack with neutral move, and fainted text is just a huge chunk of e tra time to every battle in those games
Saying that Johto “wins” because it has the most type diversity is fine, I guess, but you’re taking away the massive element of an in-game play through. You don’t get access to half the Pokémon you mentioned until post game, and most routes in the game have Pidgey, Rattata, or their evolutions. And I would argue that Kanto does have better variety that Sinoh. It’s not ever close, to be honest. This isn’t me coming from a “Kanto is the best, everything else sucks” mindset, but the Pokémon variety is much more diverse than Sinoh from Route to Route, and there are more iconic Pokémon that people actually want to use.
@@misterboxhead3045 One thing that is also worth considering in the Kanto Vs. Sinnoh pokedex depate is how easy each pokemon is to obtain. Since Sinnoh has a lot of really obnoxious and tedious ways to obtain a lot of its pokemon. There are 12 pokemon (7 without pre-evos) that are locked behind the Honey Trees, and there are 5 pokemon (3 without pre-evos) that are locked behind Great Marsh Daily RNG. There is Spiritomb which you need a second player + spend a lot of time, Milotic which is really tedious both to catch and evolve. In comparison the only somewhat hard to obtain Pokemon that Kanto has is Porygon, and the rare safary zone pokemon like Chansey, Tauros and Kangaskhan.
Kanto might have less type variety, but it's litteraly the gen that started it all. They couldn't borrox pokemin from previous games like Sinnoh and all, because there wasn't any previous gen, and that alone should put it out of competition. Especially when the low dragon and ghost are easily explained by the fact that they were added late into development and a bunch of other pokemon had to be delayed to gold and silver because they couldn't put all the pokemon they came up with
I grew up when red and blue came out. It was my first game so it have nostalgia for it. However any and all criticism about Kanto is now justified seeing as it’s been 26 years. 8 games and 755 more Pokémon later but Game Freak STILL focusses more on promoting and giving special abilities to the original Pokémon then anything that came after. Even overlooking the current gena Pokémon in favor of new abilities for them (mega evolutions and dun amazing are a clear example) If they are going to be so front and center then criticism about them being boring and type short are Totally justified.
@@Jimbo55151 I never said you can't criticize gen 1. People make it out to be way more perfect than it was. Red and Blue was a buggy mess, with a weird AI, and typing that were added later in the game were really poorly implemented (dragon having no real dragon move, and ghost not only suffering from the same issue but also being innefective against psychic pokemon instead of effective). That said, you can't compare it to the other generations when it come to how many pokemon from each type there was, as every pokemon has to be a brand new one AND a bunch of pokemon that were initially planned for Red and Blue had to be put in Gold and Silver because they could simply not put as much pokemon as they wanted to in the old cartridge. Newer pokemon games not only don't have this issue, but they can borrow pokemon from all the previous games instead of recreating an entire dex (Gen 5 is the only exception). The comparison is unfair.
One thing I think should be factored in as well is that the 5 fire types in Sinnoh belong to only two evolutionary lines. If the 5 fire types were all completely unique pokemon, then the fact that there were only 5 of them wouldn't be an issue because they could each be distributed throughout the game to fulfill different roles. With that in mind, I think it would have served the statistics better for you to not include pokemon from the same evolutionary line in the counting of the pokemon's types due to the fact that it's almost like counting the same pokemon multiple times. Like saying Sinnoh only has 5 fire type pokemon can give the wrong impression that there are 5 unique pokemon that are all fire type.
Gen III had a small selection of fire types, but there was a solid selection at least (Vulpix, Slugma, Torkoal and Numel not counting the fire starter). Diamond and Pearls was extremely poor. Only Ponyta, which while a fine Pokémon, was your only option if you didn’t pick chimchar.
To be honest though, Fire types had a huge Disadvantage in Sinnoh. 3 major trainers with type advantages, one of which being Bertha of the elite 4. Theres also an ace trainer with a gyarados that makes fire types more challenging
@@TimmyDaTurtle Even then, a player should have the right to put themselves at that disadvantage with more than just 2 pokemon lines lol. But I wonder if that aspect had any influence on their design
@@michaeleanthonyjr I feel like chimchar being one of the only few fire types made the game quite challenging. Crasher Wake and Bertha were absolute nightmares for me to face
I was surprised by the lack of Ice Type Pokemon in Sinnoh, I haven't been able to finish a Sinnoh game, but I'd assume it'd have the most because It's such a cold Region
Yeah, that is just bullshit design, right there. They base an entire region on Hokkaido, the northern island of Japan with a cold climate, and they still manage to relegate the Ice-type to a small handful of critters that pop up late-game? I mean, the lack of Fire-types is ridiculous, for sure, but at least they're not lacking in a region that would've been perfect for them (though on that note, Hoenn was disgustingly lacking in Fire-types itself, and that's in spite of the Magma and Aqua conflict being such a centralized theme...... in contrast, Water got almost 30 new Pokemon introduced, on top of using several from previous generations).
@@YamatoFukkatsu one of their main features at the time were the new Eeveelutions!! Glaceon and Leafeon! There are already a good amount of Grass-Types, and so You'd think that since they thought of the Ice-Type Eeveelution before a Ground, Fighting, etc... That it would mean Ice types were on their mind!
Glaceon, Swinub/PiloSwine/MamoSwine, & Snorunt/Glalie/Froslass were locked behind National Dex in DP leaving only Snover/Abomasnow & Sneasel/Weavile. Platinum fixes this, although DP had Candice use a Medicham that she was likely training for Maylene.
The major factor affecting the variety problem in DP isn't actually the numbers themselves, it's the distribution. Take a look at how many routes are overrun by Bidoof and Bibarel. Or how when you get to the Safari Zone you realise you have already caught everything interesting there except Marill. And how many Pokemon throughout the main playthrough are locked behind obnoxious things. In original DP Rotom, the Trophy Garden and the GBA inserts are all locked to post game so they doesn't to count for team building throughout. Most normal players can't expect to be able to get Spiritomb. With the time required for Honey Trees, Cherrim, Heracross, Vespiquen and Snorlax all take an unreasonable amount of effort to obtain and are just not fun to try to use in a playthrough. A bunch of the Pokemon flooding the types as well are new baby Pokemon which are just straight up useless (Budew can have some credit for being in one of the earliest routes, which is what baby Pokemon should be used for).
Not to mention, four generations in, and Geodude, Zubat, and Tentacool are still treated as the most common encounters in particular environments (incidentally, those same three Pokemon also survived the initial gen3 purge, meaning gen3 had the same issue with them). They can come up with a new bird and rodent literally every generation, but god forbid they shake up the encounters for caves and "too much water" routes. Is it any wonder why gen5 decided to go for a completely original regional dex?
thankfully Platinum picked up the pace and brought in more pokemon, by moving the post game mons (Magmortar, Electivire, Gallade, etc) into the main game. The expense? Well, Purugly, Honchkrow, Mismagius, Skuntank. (Flygon if counting postgame mons)
@@YamatoFukkatsu yeah, geodude, zubat, and tentacool were way too overused across the four japanese-inspired regions. I don't mind it as it gives Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, and Sinnoh a sense of connection to each other. But for others, it's clear cut they're everywhere.
Your take on the Safari Zone is wrong, there are a few rare Pokemon there in DP like Skorupi & Carnivine that make the Great Marsh worth visiting. Snorlax is only found in the Pal Park or by Evolving Munchlax which isn't a normal honey tree spawn requiring trainer ID Calculation to discover which 4 Trees it appears in at a 1% chance.
DP's pokedex felt so limited that you have to unlock 1000000% of your brain cells to formulate a team that some you dont hate or love too much and then struggle to grind them because the game moves as fast as a slowpoke.. And also made cynthia seemingly difficult.. (unless you wanna do the classic ol' infernape,luxray,staraptor,garchomp team)
Never got the hype behind Luxray tbh, yeah intimidate and ice fang is nice but it's strongest stab that can make use of it's attack is 65 power. Not worth it imo when Pokémon like Electivire, Jolteon & Magnezone exist
I think that the biggest reason that no one likes diamond and pearl is how much platinum improved over them. Yellow and crystal had minor differences, emerald was significantly better than Ruby and Sapphire, but platinum is pretty much a direct upgrade over diamond and pearl. Who would play DP over platinum? Glameow fans?
And the big one is Platinum, which fixes all the problems of diamond and pearl such as making the game faster and expanding the awful regional dex (REALLY? Two fire types) and adds stuff like the distortion world and Giratina, as well as the battle frontier in the postgame. There is absolutely no reason to play diamond and pearl when Platinum exists.
Wait how is it fair that when comparing the two you used Luxio which has intimidate? The battle would have been a few seconds shorter if it weren't for the ability and stat drops being shown. Small complaint but still it's valid
The right thing to do, I believe, would have been to compare the duration of each type of text information with the fastest text speed option while mashing the A button, which is something that everybody does in these games. There also seems to be a bit of stand-by time between each action in DP where nothing happens.
@@misterboxhead3045 Yeah obviously. But that wasn't my point. The time it took for that to happen made it so the gap looked even bigger. Everyone knows Diamond and Pearl have slow battles so I don't know why he used a Pokemon with intimidate to make the battle EVEN longer. (Not saying he did it on purpose though. Think it was just a legit mistake)
It's not just the battles that took a long time. Saving the game took much longer than any other main line games including HG/SS. Making that problem even worse, anytime you interacted with you PC the game would give you the message "Saving a lot of data. Please wait..." and take even longer.
i think that it would be more optimal to look at the percentage of each type when compared to the dex. also i wouldn't always count having the most of one type as a win (>40 normal types in Johto). If there are 16ish types to look at then the best outcome for a region would be that every type is represented by about 1/16 of the dex
If you consider that there were ONLY 3 Ghost types and ONLY 3 dragon types in Gen 1, Kanto will ALWAYS have the lowest Dragon and Ghost varieties since their were ONLY 3 of each types when Red/Blue/Yellow were released.
You know what's actually kinda hilarious? Of 150 pokemon in DPPt, 5 are fire type. 2 fully evolved, and both lines available early. Of 251 pokemon in RBY/GSC, 4 are ghost type. 2 fully evolved, and only 1 available early.
I love it personally my favorite Pokemon game by far. Even without my biases. The pros completely outweigh the cons especially compared to the pros and cons in other Pokemon games. The battles are pretty slow which is annoying. The lack of Pokemon is weird especially fire type Pokemon (luckily my first starter was infernape). The ammount of HMS tho man was that annoying. Good thing we had a great HM slave. The pros tho I love the map especially how MT Cornet is connected to everything and is where you catch the legendaries which are my favorite. Darkri, Dialga, Palkia, Shaymin, Cresilla, Manaphy, Giritina, Arcues, The Lake Trio, Regigas, Rotom, & Heatran. They had so many and they all had amazing designs and cool puzzles to unlock them. Really loved how they treated Legendary Pokemon in Diamond and Emerald. They put a lot of effort in the area they are in and didn’t make it so they were just in a cave or something. The newly added evolutions, the underground, the post game, & contests were so amazing. Oh and Cynthia being the best champion of all time was amazing. Overall a great game, but it has it issues.
diamond and pearl might have been my favorite gen just because it was the only gen that I didn't know the new pokedex before I started playing. Every new route was so exciting to meet the new pokemon. I rememebr getting a shinx and not knowing how cool it would eventually look as a luxray. I loved gen 4.
Platinum fixed everything that's bad about D/P and introduced a lot more dex variety, a vastly superior Team Galactic plot, fixed some game engine/speed issues, had a ton of post-game content and introduced one of the greatest boxart legendaries (Giratina) in the game's main story. Without Platinum, Sinnoh would be a painfully mediocre region. One with immense potential, yet still mediocre without Platinum's all around upgrades.
Here are some tips for enjoying he original 4th gen adventure... 1. Turn off the battle animations 2. When finding a trainer, don't make it look at you, go and talk to them before battling, (this helps to reduce the seconds the trainer freezes before walking towards to you to challenge you) 3. Don't take double battles, better challenge the trainers alone aplying the 2nd tip... Follow these tips and the adventure gets enjoyable..I finished playing Pearl ver a couple days ago
I think counting the types without taking into account the Dex size hurts the analgy, like Johto got no Ls cause it has a much large Dex, while Kanto as mentioned had only 151, if given percentages it may show more accurate results
Even if Diamond is slow and lacks variety, I still love it for the atmosphere and exploration. It was the Pokemon game I grew up with, so it will always have a special place for me.
"Exploration"? Girl you needed like 6 HMS just to get through the mountains alone. It's takes nearly SIX HOURS from your second to your 3rd badge. It's exhausting
am I the only one who thinks thery'e good? the sinnoh story is really interesting,I love the lore. palkia and giratina and dialga are cool pokemon.Also luxray is awesome. It's a shame sinnoh seems to be ignored or forgotten now because of the remakes. :(
I should maybe try to play them again, but when I was a kid I though it was a big diff in a bad way compared to B/W. The games are heavily slow in every ways, sinnoh story is...meh like the team Galaxy is really wobbly, Cyrus is just a mediocre villain. The Sinnoh region overall lack of diversity visually too.
Fun vid! Minor feedback, but when doing the type graph it was a bit confusing as to why the regions were organized in that order. It didn't seem to be alphabetical or chronological, so I was a bit disoriented for the first few comparisons.
Thanks! Yeah I should have done them chronologically but I realized after I made them all and didn’t want to go back and change it, just me being lazy lol
I think a lot of the flack Diamond and Pearl might be getting is due to the crappy remakes. The remakes not only had new problems of their own, but they didn't really address any of the issues the originals had.
And the issues such as the awful regional dex and poor pacing were fixed with Platinum, a game released in the SAME GEN. Why go back to the obsolete model which was abandoned and fixed over a decade ago?
The diamond and pearl remakes did a fix a lot of the issues with the originals tho, the remakes are waaaaaaaay faster then even platinum, removed the necessary 6 HMs you needed, and added a lot of new pokemon to the dex in the grand underground. While i do still consider Platinum to be the best way to play sinnoh, i still think that the remakes are a hell of a lot better then the originals.
I mean, I never found the length of battles to be too annoying, but I do admit that the options for fire types are ridiculously low. Having a singular fire evolution line outside the regional starter was a terrible decision, and while Rapidash isn't terrible, you'd actually be better off seeking alternative type matchups for league members. Thankfully in Platinum, they greatly expanded the number of fire types you could get, including good pokemon like Houndoom, Flareon, and Magmortar.
This is why I highly recommend people to play Pokemon Platinum instead, because in Platinum, they fixed every single issue in Diamond and Pearl, let alone adding some very interesting features such as the Distortion World and the return of Battle Frontier.
It doesn't help that Diamond and Pearl got the worst remakes as well that barely changed anything and didn't incorporate any improvements from Platinum.
"Sinnoh: We Could Have Done Better" is a pretty good tagline for Diamond & Pearl. They're so low that Platinum could really only go up by just trying, and doubling the number of Fire-types helped immensely. That said, how did you treat version exclusives, trade evo.s, and Pokemon exclusive to the post game? Because Platinum made a lot of evolutionary items appear earlier.
I liked Sinnoh due to the fact the game tries to make you use different teams and the fact it actually brings a challenge. It is slow but you really look and appreciate the work also the music/sound design is great. HGSS + Colosseum is one of the best however B/W not my type of game and fans dogpile you blindly without listening which makes me dislike it more.
Not me watching this while playing diamond on my DS LMAO. Honestly my playthrough of diamond has been saved because of the fact that I traded myself eggs at the beginning of the game that had an eevee, vulpix, and gave myself a togepi from my finished save of soulsilver. So I actually had a good selection of pokemon. Grinding hasn't been a problem either since I also gave myself a lucky egg from the 6 I had gotten in soulsilver. Also I'm planning to use my diamond team in battle revolution and been connecting my pokedex to my pokemon ranch on my wii u. If it weren't for ALL of that I probably would've never started my playthrough of diamond! I just really love the connectivity between the ds and wii pokemon games its so fun :). That and the spinoff games really carry gen 4 for me.
my problem with pokemon diamond and that whole gen is that there aren't enough new pokemon of THAT region that im excited by. most of the pokemon in that region are from gen 1.. which says alot. the ones who are cool are psudeo legendary or unobtainable..
Platinum, emerald amd yellow are my favourite versions, 4th gen was my pokemon prime when every 10 year old kid had ds lites, loved the era myself, and regularly play platinum to go back
This was the last generation I played 1-4 then gave the DS to my little sister. But I'm playing crystal right now. It's amazing. It took me several hours to catch snorlax and catching Entei is not easy. And I know both lugia and ho-oh spam recover.
But the problem is that you have to count the regional pokedex of Diamond and Pearl, not the expanded in platinum. There are Ice types like Glaceon and Weavile and the New evolutions of old pokemon couldn't be getted at any point before postgame or not even being possible to obtain them at any point. That makes worse the promid by stealing like 20 or 30 pokemon
Also, this uses base forms as well. Which innately will buff up the numbers, but not as equally for every type. For example, a lot of water types are 2 or 3 stage, while there are some types like flying or normal that are only one stage. This essentially mitigates a numerical impact, because unless you are doing a challenge run, you wont use a base form in your final team. Meaning that Sinnoh's 5 fire types are still the two fully evolved ones, (Infernape or Rapidash). By buffing the numbers with the prevos, you crank up the differences between certain types in the different gens, when in reality some types are closer to past gens in fully evolved pokemon. A prime example is with Johto vs Kanto. Kanto has about 5-6 fully evolved bugs, while Johto not only have the kantonian ones, but another 6 fully evolved mons of its own to tack on. Meaning that in total of new experience (or using region specific mons. Ie only Johto pokemon in this case), you have the same amount of bug types, not a higher amount.
Because the pokemon community is full of mentally ill people from twitter who have shit tastes DP were loved on release and for good reason, no amounts of revisionism and retroactive hate from people who weren't there at the time can change the fact that they're objectively good games.
About types diversity, i feel like all types aren't born equal, some types like normal types have very few values because they don't interact a lot to the overall weakness strength types interactions having only one weakness (fight type) one immunity (to ghost) one resistance against, (rock type) and one immunity against (ghost reciprocally) so having few normal isn't the worst thing but starter types are more important to not punish too much player not picking one starter type over the other (most generations kinda fails at this since water type is so over represented since forever but whatever). About the ghost type and dragon type being so rare in generation 1, i think it's kinda good, dragon type is supposed to be an amazing type so making it hard to get makes it even rewarding when you finally happen to find a minidraco on safari or buy it in the casino. Ghosts types are easier to find and even have a special dungeon dedicated to them making feel important to have your own ghastly, add to the fact they are one of only two psychic weaknesses a very powerful type you have good incentive to have one (sad that ghost types is broken and doesn't work on psychic and anyway licking is the only ghost attacks that deals scaling damage lol which isweak to begin with nevermind for all these good design choices x)) Still it's super redundant to fight the two same pokemon in the entire pokemon tower obviously. I wonder how double types affected also these types spreads on different region, kanto started this weird tradition of some almost mandatory double typings like ground/rock, plant/poison, ghost/poison, normal/flight, rendering completely useless some interaction between some of these types like poison strong against plant when the majority of plant types are already poison anyway, while making unique double types actually very rare. Obviously even if 1st gen type distribution was more spread out, there would be less diversity than next generations but they could have made a better job starting out with 30 water types and 20 ish normal types ouf of 151 x)
Thank goodness that Platinum changed the number of Pokémon found in the regional Pokedex from 151 to 210, that's 60 more Pokémon DP could of had to begin with, and I think the reason they did it was because 2006 was Pokémon's 10th anniversary in Japan and you we gotta have the number 151 somewhere, so if that's the reason then your kinda setting the game up to fail in the Pokémon diversity department Also It's a shame that Platinum couldn't fix the slow speed of Sinnoh, although they did take steps to mitigate it like speeding up the surfing speed and speeding up the battles by a tiny bit, but still I don't think it's enough I suppose Sinnoh was kinda doomed from the beginning with the slow speed (Which is probably more so because of GameFreak's lack of experience with 3D games) and the lack of the diverse amount of Pokémon which is more of a design issue and so I can't give them any leeway on that Although the "faithful" Sinnoh remakes did fix the second problem due to having a different engine while the first problem had a Band-Aid solution applied to it by giving the player access to more Pokémon via the Great Underground but not updating the NPC's teams with them, the only changes that were made in terms of the NPC teams was the Gym Leader, Elite 4 and the Champion's teams by giving them EV trained Pokémon and completive strategies, which is good, but idk maybe dab a bit more difficulty to the rest of the non post-game game Sorry for going on a rant about the Sinnoh remakes so much when this video is about the original Diamond and Pearl, I guess I'll never get over how they butchered the Sinnoh remakes compared to past remakes and how good Platinum was (IMO, of course)
I think the main reason why people started hating Diamond and Pearl is because of the release of Platinum which fixed a lot of if not all the issues that Diamond and Pearl had
@@SMCwasTaken You clearly weren't part of the community at the time if you believe that. DP sold incredibly well, everyone had it and everyone loved it. Look at old rating averages from that time on wayback machine.
You know that meme about how every Diamond and Pearl player ends up with the exact same team because the dex is just that limited? I think that's the most depressing part. No two Pokemon playthroughs should look super alike, Pokemon is about playing your way, but I think DP is where they dropped the ball on that the hardest.
ayo bro ... in the chart for the variety u gave sinnoh an L for poison without it having the least amount of poison types second thing is at least for the side by side comparison of battle speed u used an intimidate luxio wich costs additional seconds at the start of a battle wich doesnt seem very fair. what people seem to forget is that gen4 has the best soundtrack of all pokemon games and the (at least for me) best story with an really evil team (bombing an entire lake, enslaving pokemon, etc) and yes maybe the time is slower in battles but u see great animations wich take up time and hear awesome music. Also most fights arent over in a second anyways cuz most trainers have more than one pokemon anyways. gen 4 is in my opinion peak pokemon, from the world and pokemon design to the awesome sound track and fun story and of course the hardest champ fight there is. so yeah small criticism here: polish ur data and visuals since u made in both categories mistakes.
I get your point... but your Statement with the Intimidate Battle is only half true in my opinion. Abilitys are a big Part of the Game in D/P and you cant expect a Playthrough without using a single Ability. So if he had compared two battles without any Abilitys I think it would distort the Battle Time in some sort. People might think "Oh, the Battle Time is nearly the same". But when they play the Game they would realize that the Time is way longer thanks to the Abilitys.
@@wilkobadberg5272 Well it adds even more of a feeling that it takes very long at least in the side by side comparison ... just seems like the creator wanted to make it Look even longer ... you cant Set a rule where u say every battle needs to be one shot but then Keep in the abilities since u rarely oneshot a Trainer after the first Routes ...
9:15 wow, sinnoh barely beats out the literal first game. so the original 151 had slightly less variety than the 4th gen with 210 total... out of near 500 to use.
So as someone who had Pearl as the first DS game they ever owned, I think I should address some things: First off, there's the variety. D/P only seems lacking because it introduces the second least amount of Pokemon NOT counting the national dex, coming in at 107. However, counting them it comes in at 493, as it allows all the Pokemon from the previous gens. And if you're going to talk about variety, then you'd also need to include the newest 4 gens, as this guy even states that D/P were generally well received on release, and yet hated in modern times. You can't say they're hated now and put "Less variety" as one of your two issues when gen 6, one of the least liked gens, only had 72 additional Pokemon. Not to mention HG/SS and Platinum were of the same gen, and not a single word about them being hated. Speaking of which... Second, let's address what someone else said, which is that the reason is because Platinum exists. As someone who has played Platinum, it's a good game. Great game in fact. But gens 1-3 also had improved games, like Crystal for gen 2, and yet we don't hear "Oh man, Gold and Silver sucks because Crystal exists". Crystal wasn't even REMADE for gen 4 along with HG and SS (And considering Platinum wasn't remade along with BDSP, I'm beginning to see a pattern...). So no, a third reason D/P are seemingly disliked isn't due to Platinum, even despite Platinum's upgrades. Third, time. I'm just gonna reference what someone else said and put that you used a Luxio with intimidate, which got a crit and was super effective. NO DUH IT'LL BE LONGER IF YOU DO IT LIKE THAT. If you're trying to be fair, you need to record the same Pokemon doing the same move on the same Pokemon, not two different moves which could take two different times, with two different results. Also I'd like to point out there's an option to turn off animations in the settings, so the best way to check if it's slower would to also do a test with that without getting a crit or having it be super effective. And even if it's still slower, at least it'd be more accurate than whatever you tried doing here. At the end of the day, this video is massively flawed. Not only does he say that D/P is hated yet only gives two points on why (One of which doesn't even matter that much), both points are flawed in their own way, as one had two battles that wasn't even the same and made it look obvious that it was rigged against D/P, giving them an inflated time, and the other criticized the variety, despite at the time it was well-received meaning it needs to count all the gens from before it was "hated" (Meaning not just gens 1-3), or at the very least explain why D/P's variety is singled out among Platinum and HG/SS in terms of gen 4 games (And don't get me started about that line about them being "Among the worst in the series" when gen 6 exists). It's flawed, wasn't prepared well, and doesn't consider anything other than gens 1-3 and only D/P in gen 4. Do not take this video as fact, and thank you for reading.
Platinum changed more than the other third versions did. It increased the awful regional Pokédex (something not done in the other third versions)and moved a gym forward (hearthome is now fought when you first arrive, cutting down the long arduous period where no gym battles occur), the games surfing and battle speed is faster, added new zones like the distortion world and greatly improved the concept of Cyrus and team galactic. Gen IV is beloved, but time has not been kind to diamond and pearl.
@@harold5337 I mean granted, Platinum DID change a lot of things and make some QoL improvements. However, despite this they shouldn't be hated for not being as good as Platinum, which was made as an upgrade and a combination of these two games. Referencing my second point, both the upgrade AND the original two games should be held in similar regard, even if the upgrade is held more above the other. Also funny you say that last sentence (Not just because of the box legendary of Diamond), because time has indeed not been kind to them in regards to the remakes, being much less liked than the originals.
A way too simple Calculation: Red/Blue only have 15 Types in the Game. 15 Types for 150 Pokemon is basicially 10 Pokemon per Type. And in D/P we have 17 Types and still 150 Pokemon. Thats only 8 up to 9 Pokemon per Type. Of course the variety is flawed. There is no excuse that D/P only have 150 Pokemon in the base Pokedex. Platinum fixed that thankfully.
About the lack of variety... I agree that the first one isn't that bad cause there's no comparison to be made... And you counted the evolutions and pre evolutions, which is bad info, cause you get 2 fire types like in the thumbnail
A massive issue I have with DP is how unnecessarily small its dex is. Kanto is 151, obviously. Johto’s dex is technically 251, hence why it won from most of your data. Hoenn is exactly 200 I believe. Sinnoh, for some dumb Kanto-loving reason, is also 151, which puts an extreme dent on DP Pokémon choices. There’s not even all of the Sinnoh Pokémon in the dex, if there was there’d at least be a whole 1 extra fire type line to use
Another big issue with the DP dex that the Kanto dex doesn't have is that there are like 20 or so pokemon that are locked behind obnoxious and time-consuming methods to get them, like the honey trees, Great Marsh daily pokemon and bullshit like spiritomb. For comparison, the only similar thing that kanto has is grinding coins to get Porygon.
i think your variety test is flawed as each region has a different total amount sure kanto has the least number of alot of types but the variety of types per game comes from number compared to itself so you really should look at and compare percenteges to see which has the worst variety, and i want to be clear im not saying youre dumb or the video was bad, im just pointing out something i saw a flaw in, no rude intent
Despite this, i did love D/P since it really made my brain think of teams that i dont usually use in a playthrough.. And i ended up loving the same team aswell!
I feel like it's biased because of ability stuff going off and also the battle animations being on. Battle animations should have been off to make it more balanced.
I still love those games. the music just slaps hard and as a kid I thought the way battles were handled was really immersive. I never cared about the time it took to go into battle. Yeah these games have flaws but I personally never thought the battle time to be one of them Edit: also you couldve spammed your buttons. It seems a bit like you were stretching out the time there to make your point stronger. Your point is true anyways but maybe that wouldve changed the validity of this criticism. also the variety test was passed still you said that this crticism holds up... dude what? You just decided that because you are dissapointed the didnt include as many old pokemon? I really dont understand where youre coming from. dislike for me
I liked 4th gen I didn't care how long it was I don't care what anyone says I loved all the pokemon ds games it was better than 3ds but I'm gonna be honest Alpha Sapphire and Omega Ruby were good
Johto having more variety is only somewhat true.... a good 30-50 of these Pokemon, which he counted in this discussion are locked to after you have beaten the league, all the Stone Evo mons can't be done before the post game in the originals, or you need to grind the pokeathlon in the remakes, and there are another 20 or so pokemon that you can't obtain before after the beating the 7. gym. This just means that Johto is just more in line with every other pokemon game from that era with its pokemon variety.
Sinnoh is bloated and felt very empty to me. The ugly overworld artstyle was not better. I mean they did a better job with the Gen 2 remakes in terms of coloration.
Saying Diamond is bad makes me like it more √(°=°)√ and also you forgot to bulli the poketech, because in Diamond and Pearl it had a single botton to scroll apps forward which gets more tedious the more apps you get because you gotta scroll past 10+ apps to get to the first one
Gen 4 was the only gen I played socially with trades and the underground and all that, so they do hold a special place in my heart, but Pokémon peaked in Johto and that’s undeniable, hasn’t been a good mainline game since Platinum.
@@Kyoko_ had Pokémon black, I always always went with the grass starter… but snivy… nah, only got up through the n fight before dropping that game, heard the sequel was better, but I’d already checked out.
I guess it depends on the person. I do think gen 5 has some of the absolute best main series games, but I get everyone doesn't like the pokemon designs. For me sword and shield is the game with awful designs and is the game I think of when I look to understand why people don't like certain pokemon games.
Small "critique" but in the dp trainer battles that you timed, did you also use an intimidate Luxio, just like in tge side by side? If you did, intimidate added about a whopping 7 seconds before you're able to pick a move, there's a reason you're also told "don't have an ability that takes time" by shiny hunters and the such lol. Obviously if you didn't it doesn't matter, but just something I noticed in the side-by-side with dp and rb. Great video though :D
Obviously the battle would still be SUUUPER long compared to the other games
It also costs a bit of time for diamond because the move was super effective AND a critical hit
@@unchiez1722 oh I didn't egen realize that either. No wonder the time ended up being suuuper high, like 58 seconds or something (I don't remember it was late last night)
Leftovers and other similar items also add another 7 or so seconds whenever they proc in these games. Makes them kind of agonizing to use
@@zememerr2329 yea pretty much anything isn't:main trainer text, send out pokemon, attack with neutral move, and fainted text is just a huge chunk of e tra time to every battle in those games
Saying that Johto “wins” because it has the most type diversity is fine, I guess, but you’re taking away the massive element of an in-game play through. You don’t get access to half the Pokémon you mentioned until post game, and most routes in the game have Pidgey, Rattata, or their evolutions. And I would argue that Kanto does have better variety that Sinoh. It’s not ever close, to be honest. This isn’t me coming from a “Kanto is the best, everything else sucks” mindset, but the Pokémon variety is much more diverse than Sinoh from Route to Route, and there are more iconic Pokémon that people actually want to use.
Is to see how many pokemon have not to see how iconic they are, because if was sinnoh would win for having luxray and staraptor
@@misterboxhead3045 One thing that is also worth considering in the Kanto Vs. Sinnoh pokedex depate is how easy each pokemon is to obtain. Since Sinnoh has a lot of really obnoxious and tedious ways to obtain a lot of its pokemon. There are 12 pokemon (7 without pre-evos) that are locked behind the Honey Trees, and there are 5 pokemon (3 without pre-evos) that are locked behind Great Marsh Daily RNG. There is Spiritomb which you need a second player + spend a lot of time, Milotic which is really tedious both to catch and evolve.
In comparison the only somewhat hard to obtain Pokemon that Kanto has is Porygon, and the rare safary zone pokemon like Chansey, Tauros and Kangaskhan.
You seem to overlook the amount of HMs in this game. It's horrible.
Idk i kinda like the hm thingy for nostalgia 😅
Yep. Rock climb was absolutely not necessary
@@yoleeisboredDefog is even worse
@@RayoMcQueen95990 I forgot about defog.
@yoleeisbored I'm fine with Rock Climb
It's a strong normal type move with a chance of confusion it's probably one of the most useful hms
Kanto might have less type variety, but it's litteraly the gen that started it all. They couldn't borrox pokemin from previous games like Sinnoh and all, because there wasn't any previous gen, and that alone should put it out of competition. Especially when the low dragon and ghost are easily explained by the fact that they were added late into development and a bunch of other pokemon had to be delayed to gold and silver because they couldn't put all the pokemon they came up with
I grew up when red and blue came out. It was my first game so it have nostalgia for it. However any and all criticism about Kanto is now justified seeing as it’s been 26 years. 8 games and 755 more Pokémon later but Game Freak STILL focusses more on promoting and giving special abilities to the original Pokémon then anything that came after. Even overlooking the current gena Pokémon in favor of new abilities for them (mega evolutions and dun amazing are a clear example)
If they are going to be so front and center then criticism about them being boring and type short are Totally justified.
@@Jimbo55151 I never said you can't criticize gen 1. People make it out to be way more perfect than it was. Red and Blue was a buggy mess, with a weird AI, and typing that were added later in the game were really poorly implemented (dragon having no real dragon move, and ghost not only suffering from the same issue but also being innefective against psychic pokemon instead of effective).
That said, you can't compare it to the other generations when it come to how many pokemon from each type there was, as every pokemon has to be a brand new one AND a bunch of pokemon that were initially planned for Red and Blue had to be put in Gold and Silver because they could simply not put as much pokemon as they wanted to in the old cartridge. Newer pokemon games not only don't have this issue, but they can borrow pokemon from all the previous games instead of recreating an entire dex (Gen 5 is the only exception). The comparison is unfair.
@@Hadeshy if people and fam freak are going to hold red and blue as the gold standard then the comparison is justified.
"POKEMIN"
And the types that were scarce were going on purpose
One thing I think should be factored in as well is that the 5 fire types in Sinnoh belong to only two evolutionary lines. If the 5 fire types were all completely unique pokemon, then the fact that there were only 5 of them wouldn't be an issue because they could each be distributed throughout the game to fulfill different roles. With that in mind, I think it would have served the statistics better for you to not include pokemon from the same evolutionary line in the counting of the pokemon's types due to the fact that it's almost like counting the same pokemon multiple times. Like saying Sinnoh only has 5 fire type pokemon can give the wrong impression that there are 5 unique pokemon that are all fire type.
Gen III had a small selection of fire types, but there was a solid selection at least (Vulpix, Slugma, Torkoal and Numel not counting the fire starter). Diamond and Pearls was extremely poor. Only Ponyta, which while a fine Pokémon, was your only option if you didn’t pick chimchar.
@@harold5337 yes I am aware that diamond and pearl had a poor selection.
To be honest though, Fire types had a huge Disadvantage in Sinnoh. 3 major trainers with type advantages, one of which being Bertha of the elite 4. Theres also an ace trainer with a gyarados that makes fire types more challenging
@@TimmyDaTurtle Even then, a player should have the right to put themselves at that disadvantage with more than just 2 pokemon lines lol. But I wonder if that aspect had any influence on their design
@@michaeleanthonyjr I feel like chimchar being one of the only few fire types made the game quite challenging. Crasher Wake and Bertha were absolute nightmares for me to face
I was surprised by the lack of Ice Type Pokemon in Sinnoh, I haven't been able to finish a Sinnoh game, but I'd assume it'd have the most because It's such a cold Region
Yeah, that is just bullshit design, right there. They base an entire region on Hokkaido, the northern island of Japan with a cold climate, and they still manage to relegate the Ice-type to a small handful of critters that pop up late-game? I mean, the lack of Fire-types is ridiculous, for sure, but at least they're not lacking in a region that would've been perfect for them (though on that note, Hoenn was disgustingly lacking in Fire-types itself, and that's in spite of the Magma and Aqua conflict being such a centralized theme...... in contrast, Water got almost 30 new Pokemon introduced, on top of using several from previous generations).
@@YamatoFukkatsu one of their main features at the time were the new Eeveelutions!! Glaceon and Leafeon! There are already a good amount of Grass-Types, and so You'd think that since they thought of the Ice-Type Eeveelution before a Ground, Fighting, etc... That it would mean Ice types were on their mind!
Abomosnow all o care about lol
@@YamatoFukkatsu 5 lines are great. what u smoking
Glaceon, Swinub/PiloSwine/MamoSwine, & Snorunt/Glalie/Froslass were locked behind National Dex in DP leaving only Snover/Abomasnow & Sneasel/Weavile. Platinum fixes this, although DP had Candice use a Medicham that she was likely training for Maylene.
The major factor affecting the variety problem in DP isn't actually the numbers themselves, it's the distribution. Take a look at how many routes are overrun by Bidoof and Bibarel. Or how when you get to the Safari Zone you realise you have already caught everything interesting there except Marill. And how many Pokemon throughout the main playthrough are locked behind obnoxious things. In original DP Rotom, the Trophy Garden and the GBA inserts are all locked to post game so they doesn't to count for team building throughout. Most normal players can't expect to be able to get Spiritomb. With the time required for Honey Trees, Cherrim, Heracross, Vespiquen and Snorlax all take an unreasonable amount of effort to obtain and are just not fun to try to use in a playthrough. A bunch of the Pokemon flooding the types as well are new baby Pokemon which are just straight up useless (Budew can have some credit for being in one of the earliest routes, which is what baby Pokemon should be used for).
Not to mention, four generations in, and Geodude, Zubat, and Tentacool are still treated as the most common encounters in particular environments (incidentally, those same three Pokemon also survived the initial gen3 purge, meaning gen3 had the same issue with them). They can come up with a new bird and rodent literally every generation, but god forbid they shake up the encounters for caves and "too much water" routes. Is it any wonder why gen5 decided to go for a completely original regional dex?
thankfully Platinum picked up the pace and brought in more pokemon, by moving the post game mons (Magmortar, Electivire, Gallade, etc) into the main game.
The expense? Well, Purugly, Honchkrow, Mismagius, Skuntank. (Flygon if counting postgame mons)
@@YamatoFukkatsu yeah, geodude, zubat, and tentacool were way too overused across the four japanese-inspired regions. I don't mind it as it gives Kanto, Johto, Hoenn, and Sinnoh a sense of connection to each other. But for others, it's clear cut they're everywhere.
Your take on the Safari Zone is wrong, there are a few rare Pokemon there in DP like Skorupi & Carnivine that make the Great Marsh worth visiting. Snorlax is only found in the Pal Park or by Evolving Munchlax which isn't a normal honey tree spawn requiring trainer ID Calculation to discover which 4 Trees it appears in at a 1% chance.
@@YamatoFukkatsu Ironically, Gen 5 literally fixed this and it resulted in people complaining
DP's pokedex felt so limited that you have to unlock 1000000% of your brain cells to formulate a team that some you dont hate or love too much and then struggle to grind them because the game moves as fast as a slowpoke..
And also made cynthia seemingly difficult.. (unless you wanna do the classic ol' infernape,luxray,staraptor,garchomp team)
Never got the hype behind Luxray tbh, yeah intimidate and ice fang is nice but it's strongest stab that can make use of it's attack is 65 power. Not worth it imo when Pokémon like Electivire, Jolteon & Magnezone exist
@@ImPyroChad we just think its neat
@@azuldraconic5141 we? Who is we 🤨
@@alanmiraanime luxray fans
@@ImPyroChad lol its my favourite pokemon
I think that the biggest reason that no one likes diamond and pearl is how much platinum improved over them. Yellow and crystal had minor differences, emerald was significantly better than Ruby and Sapphire, but platinum is pretty much a direct upgrade over diamond and pearl. Who would play DP over platinum? Glameow fans?
There is one exception: the saving mechanic in which it is longer than any other Gen 4 gamez
As a Glameow fan... yes actually XD
And the big one is Platinum, which fixes all the problems of diamond and pearl such as making the game faster and expanding the awful regional dex (REALLY? Two fire types) and adds stuff like the distortion world and Giratina, as well as the battle frontier in the postgame. There is absolutely no reason to play diamond and pearl when Platinum exists.
Platinum still isn't that great
You'll have to sell your organs if you want to get platinum now. Have you seen the prices it goes for?
@@purpleclaws202 Yes it is shut up
@@TheCosmicMachineit is not, the core is still rotten.
@@BansheeNT-D Dude, everyone considers Platinum to be one of the best games in the franchise.
Also how the hell are you replying to a deleted comment?
Wait how is it fair that when comparing the two you used Luxio which has intimidate? The battle would have been a few seconds shorter if it weren't for the ability and stat drops being shown.
Small complaint but still it's valid
The right thing to do, I believe, would have been to compare the duration of each type of text information with the fastest text speed option while mashing the A button, which is something that everybody does in these games. There also seems to be a bit of stand-by time between each action in DP where nothing happens.
It don't matter, because still slower lol, and i pretty sure like in black and white intimidate still faster then diamond
@@misterboxhead3045 Yeah obviously. But that wasn't my point. The time it took for that to happen made it so the gap looked even bigger. Everyone knows Diamond and Pearl have slow battles so I don't know why he used a Pokemon with intimidate to make the battle EVEN longer.
(Not saying he did it on purpose though. Think it was just a legit mistake)
Also worth mentioning that the local dex in Ruby and Sapphire has 202 mons whereas the one in DP has 151
It's not just the battles that took a long time. Saving the game took much longer than any other main line games including HG/SS. Making that problem even worse, anytime you interacted with you PC the game would give you the message "Saving a lot of data. Please wait..." and take even longer.
i think that it would be more optimal to look at the percentage of each type when compared to the dex. also i wouldn't always count having the most of one type as a win (>40 normal types in Johto). If there are 16ish types to look at then the best outcome for a region would be that every type is represented by about 1/16 of the dex
If you consider that there were ONLY 3 Ghost types and ONLY 3 dragon types in Gen 1, Kanto will ALWAYS have the lowest Dragon and Ghost varieties since their were ONLY 3 of each types when Red/Blue/Yellow were released.
You know what's actually kinda hilarious?
Of 150 pokemon in DPPt, 5 are fire type. 2 fully evolved, and both lines available early.
Of 251 pokemon in RBY/GSC, 4 are ghost type. 2 fully evolved, and only 1 available early.
But you don't need ghost in those gens
Ghost types were supposed to be rare pre gen 4
Would be interesting to see what percentage of each type you can catch in each version.
I love it personally my favorite Pokemon game by far. Even without my biases. The pros completely outweigh the cons especially compared to the pros and cons in other Pokemon games. The battles are pretty slow which is annoying. The lack of Pokemon is weird especially fire type Pokemon (luckily my first starter was infernape). The ammount of HMS tho man was that annoying. Good thing we had a great HM slave. The pros tho I love the map especially how MT Cornet is connected to everything and is where you catch the legendaries which are my favorite. Darkri, Dialga, Palkia, Shaymin, Cresilla, Manaphy, Giritina, Arcues, The Lake Trio, Regigas, Rotom, & Heatran. They had so many and they all had amazing designs and cool puzzles to unlock them. Really loved how they treated Legendary Pokemon in Diamond and Emerald. They put a lot of effort in the area they are in and didn’t make it so they were just in a cave or something. The newly added evolutions, the underground, the post game, & contests were so amazing. Oh and Cynthia being the best champion of all time was amazing. Overall a great game, but it has it issues.
At 2 minutes 48 seconds you said it's a bar that slowly drains, but it doesn't drain, it fills. It does the opposite of drain.
diamond and pearl might have been my favorite gen just because it was the only gen that I didn't know the new pokedex before I started playing. Every new route was so exciting to meet the new pokemon. I rememebr getting a shinx and not knowing how cool it would eventually look as a luxray. I loved gen 4.
Platinum fixed everything that's bad about D/P and introduced a lot more dex variety, a vastly superior Team Galactic plot, fixed some game engine/speed issues, had a ton of post-game content and introduced one of the greatest boxart legendaries (Giratina) in the game's main story. Without Platinum, Sinnoh would be a painfully mediocre region. One with immense potential, yet still mediocre without Platinum's all around upgrades.
@@BruhMoment-mn9kneven with all those changes it still sucks
this is the only pokemon game i played as a kid and its good
Here are some tips for enjoying he original 4th gen adventure...
1. Turn off the battle animations
2. When finding a trainer, don't make it look at you, go and talk to them before battling, (this helps to reduce the seconds the trainer freezes before walking towards to you to challenge you)
3. Don't take double battles, better challenge the trainers alone aplying the 2nd tip...
Follow these tips and the adventure gets enjoyable..I finished playing Pearl ver a couple days ago
I think counting the types without taking into account the Dex size hurts the analgy, like Johto got no Ls cause it has a much large Dex, while Kanto as mentioned had only 151, if given percentages it may show more accurate results
Even if Diamond is slow and lacks variety, I still love it for the atmosphere and exploration. It was the Pokemon game I grew up with, so it will always have a special place for me.
"Exploration"? Girl you needed like 6 HMS just to get through the mountains alone. It's takes nearly SIX HOURS from your second to your 3rd badge. It's exhausting
Platinum does everything good, and removes nearly all of the drawbacks of that terrible regional dex.
Love how pearl gets forgotten lmao.
am I the only one who thinks thery'e good? the sinnoh story is really interesting,I love the lore. palkia and giratina and dialga are cool pokemon.Also luxray is awesome. It's a shame sinnoh seems to be ignored or forgotten now because of the remakes. :(
I should maybe try to play them again, but when I was a kid I though it was a big diff in a bad way compared to B/W.
The games are heavily slow in every ways, sinnoh story is...meh like the team Galaxy is really wobbly, Cyrus is just a mediocre villain.
The Sinnoh region overall lack of diversity visually too.
Fun vid! Minor feedback, but when doing the type graph it was a bit confusing as to why the regions were organized in that order. It didn't seem to be alphabetical or chronological, so I was a bit disoriented for the first few comparisons.
Thanks! Yeah I should have done them chronologically but I realized after I made them all and didn’t want to go back and change it, just me being lazy lol
I never really considered Diamond to be a bad game. The slower pace gives me more time to take the game in
I think a lot of the flack Diamond and Pearl might be getting is due to the crappy remakes. The remakes not only had new problems of their own, but they didn't really address any of the issues the originals had.
And the issues such as the awful regional dex and poor pacing were fixed with Platinum, a game released in the SAME GEN. Why go back to the obsolete model which was abandoned and fixed over a decade ago?
I played Diamond on ds when I was young and hated it for being way too slow
The diamond and pearl remakes did a fix a lot of the issues with the originals tho, the remakes are waaaaaaaay faster then even platinum, removed the necessary 6 HMs you needed, and added a lot of new pokemon to the dex in the grand underground. While i do still consider Platinum to be the best way to play sinnoh, i still think that the remakes are a hell of a lot better then the originals.
6:43 Mad how Sinnoh has the least Ice Types, when it is the most recent gen at that point, and it has a massive snowy route unlike the other games.
I mean, I never found the length of battles to be too annoying, but I do admit that the options for fire types are ridiculously low. Having a singular fire evolution line outside the regional starter was a terrible decision, and while Rapidash isn't terrible, you'd actually be better off seeking alternative type matchups for league members. Thankfully in Platinum, they greatly expanded the number of fire types you could get, including good pokemon like Houndoom, Flareon, and Magmortar.
This is why I highly recommend people to play Pokemon Platinum instead, because in Platinum, they fixed every single issue in Diamond and Pearl, let alone adding some very interesting features such as the Distortion World and the return of Battle Frontier.
It's still not that great!!
@@purpleclaws202 Yes it is shut up
It doesn't help that Diamond and Pearl got the worst remakes as well that barely changed anything and didn't incorporate any improvements from Platinum.
"Sinnoh: We Could Have Done Better" is a pretty good tagline for Diamond & Pearl. They're so low that Platinum could really only go up by just trying, and doubling the number of Fire-types helped immensely.
That said, how did you treat version exclusives, trade evo.s, and Pokemon exclusive to the post game? Because Platinum made a lot of evolutionary items appear earlier.
I have pretty much heard nothing but praise for gen 4, with a few criticisms sprinkled in. No idea what you mean by gen 4 being mostly hated
I think he meant mainly DP cause Platinum and HGSS are loved by 90% of the fanbase
@@ray0064 ahh ok i guess that makes sense
@@davie53DP and Platinum aren't that great either girl
The praise is for platinum and the Johto remakes. DP are rushed and slow, platinum improved almost everything.
I liked Sinnoh due to the fact the game tries to make you use different teams and the fact it actually brings a challenge. It is slow but you really look and appreciate the work also the music/sound design is great. HGSS + Colosseum is one of the best however B/W not my type of game and fans dogpile you blindly without listening which makes me dislike it more.
The johto dex includes every Kanto and johto mons so it's no surprise it consistently has the most
watching the side by side comparison battle drained my life away
I had to turn off battle animations when I played through Platinum again. It makes the game 10 times more playable and actually enjoyable.
Not me watching this while playing diamond on my DS LMAO. Honestly my playthrough of diamond has been saved because of the fact that I traded myself eggs at the beginning of the game that had an eevee, vulpix, and gave myself a togepi from my finished save of soulsilver. So I actually had a good selection of pokemon. Grinding hasn't been a problem either since I also gave myself a lucky egg from the 6 I had gotten in soulsilver. Also I'm planning to use my diamond team in battle revolution and been connecting my pokedex to my pokemon ranch on my wii u. If it weren't for ALL of that I probably would've never started my playthrough of diamond! I just really love the connectivity between the ds and wii pokemon games its so fun :). That and the spinoff games really carry gen 4 for me.
my problem with pokemon diamond and that whole gen is that there aren't enough new pokemon of THAT region that im excited by. most of the pokemon in that region are from gen 1.. which says alot. the ones who are cool are psudeo legendary or unobtainable..
Main reason why put the game down after playing it for the first 2 hours
Platinum, emerald amd yellow are my favourite versions, 4th gen was my pokemon prime when every 10 year old kid had ds lites, loved the era myself, and regularly play platinum to go back
Ah yes, FYLING type... My favorite is Docutron, but Store-u is my second for sure. Jokes aside, great video as always!
Pokémon platinum fixes quite a few issues
The games are overhated, Platinum is slightly better and people exaggerate the differences
This was the last generation I played 1-4 then gave the DS to my little sister.
But I'm playing crystal right now. It's amazing. It took me several hours to catch snorlax and catching Entei is not easy. And I know both lugia and ho-oh spam recover.
But the problem is that you have to count the regional pokedex of Diamond and Pearl, not the expanded in platinum. There are Ice types like Glaceon and Weavile and the New evolutions of old pokemon couldn't be getted at any point before postgame or not even being possible to obtain them at any point. That makes worse the promid by stealing like 20 or 30 pokemon
Also, this uses base forms as well. Which innately will buff up the numbers, but not as equally for every type. For example, a lot of water types are 2 or 3 stage, while there are some types like flying or normal that are only one stage.
This essentially mitigates a numerical impact, because unless you are doing a challenge run, you wont use a base form in your final team. Meaning that Sinnoh's 5 fire types are still the two fully evolved ones, (Infernape or Rapidash). By buffing the numbers with the prevos, you crank up the differences between certain types in the different gens, when in reality some types are closer to past gens in fully evolved pokemon.
A prime example is with Johto vs Kanto. Kanto has about 5-6 fully evolved bugs, while Johto not only have the kantonian ones, but another 6 fully evolved mons of its own to tack on. Meaning that in total of new experience (or using region specific mons. Ie only Johto pokemon in this case), you have the same amount of bug types, not a higher amount.
''most hated'' but whhhy?!
Because the pokemon community is full of mentally ill people from twitter who have shit tastes
DP were loved on release and for good reason, no amounts of revisionism and retroactive hate from people who weren't there at the time can change the fact that they're objectively good games.
Great videos, I can’t wait to hear more!
Thank you! I’m gald you enjoyed them.
Great content, Algorithm Gods really blessed me with you
I see you use Pokemon stadium 2 music, man of a culture
One of the most underrated UA-camrs on the platform
I love these games but yeah they're not perfect but we're critical to tune the gameplay for HG/SS and B/W.
I'll tell you why I hate B/W + B2/W2.
I don't like going into a place and then someone just HAAAAAS to interrupt me.
About types diversity, i feel like all types aren't born equal, some types like normal types have very few values because they don't interact a lot to the overall weakness strength types interactions having only one weakness (fight type) one immunity (to ghost) one resistance against, (rock type) and one immunity against (ghost reciprocally) so having few normal isn't the worst thing but starter types are more important to not punish too much player not picking one starter type over the other (most generations kinda fails at this since water type is so over represented since forever but whatever).
About the ghost type and dragon type being so rare in generation 1, i think it's kinda good, dragon type is supposed to be an amazing type so making it hard to get makes it even rewarding when you finally happen to find a minidraco on safari or buy it in the casino. Ghosts types are easier to find and even have a special dungeon dedicated to them making feel important to have your own ghastly, add to the fact they are one of only two psychic weaknesses a very powerful type you have good incentive to have one (sad that ghost types is broken and doesn't work on psychic and anyway licking is the only ghost attacks that deals scaling damage lol which isweak to begin with nevermind for all these good design choices x)) Still it's super redundant to fight the two same pokemon in the entire pokemon tower obviously.
I wonder how double types affected also these types spreads on different region, kanto started this weird tradition of some almost mandatory double typings like ground/rock, plant/poison, ghost/poison, normal/flight, rendering completely useless some interaction between some of these types like poison strong against plant when the majority of plant types are already poison anyway, while making unique double types actually very rare. Obviously even if 1st gen type distribution was more spread out, there would be less diversity than next generations but they could have made a better job starting out with 30 water types and 20 ish normal types ouf of 151 x)
Pokemon Platinum saved Sinnoh
You know Sinnoh pokedex has 151 pokemon, just like Kanto
But Sinnoh has 151 pokemon from 4 regions
And Kanto from 1
Which is unacceptably low
Thank goodness that Platinum changed the number of Pokémon found in the regional Pokedex from 151 to 210, that's 60 more Pokémon DP could of had to begin with, and I think the reason they did it was because 2006 was Pokémon's 10th anniversary in Japan and you we gotta have the number 151 somewhere, so if that's the reason then your kinda setting the game up to fail in the Pokémon diversity department
Also It's a shame that Platinum couldn't fix the slow speed of Sinnoh, although they did take steps to mitigate it like speeding up the surfing speed and speeding up the battles by a tiny bit, but still I don't think it's enough
I suppose Sinnoh was kinda doomed from the beginning with the slow speed (Which is probably more so because of GameFreak's lack of experience with 3D games) and the lack of the diverse amount of Pokémon which is more of a design issue and so I can't give them any leeway on that
Although the "faithful" Sinnoh remakes did fix the second problem due to having a different engine while the first problem had a Band-Aid solution applied to it by giving the player access to more Pokémon via the Great Underground but not updating the NPC's teams with them, the only changes that were made in terms of the NPC teams was the Gym Leader, Elite 4 and the Champion's teams by giving them EV trained Pokémon and completive strategies, which is good, but idk maybe dab a bit more difficulty to the rest of the non post-game game
Sorry for going on a rant about the Sinnoh remakes so much when this video is about the original Diamond and Pearl, I guess I'll never get over how they butchered the Sinnoh remakes compared to past remakes and how good Platinum was (IMO, of course)
Small correction, all gym leader teams also has EVs + held items not just the elite four
@@thohillesland My bad, I forgot that the Gym Leader teams had held items and EVs
I think the main reason why people started hating Diamond and Pearl is because of the release of Platinum which fixed a lot of if not all the issues that Diamond and Pearl had
DP hate only started in 2017/2018 aka way after platinum came out
@@tabbender1232no
DP was hated ever since it was released
Look at old forums
@@SMCwasTaken You clearly weren't part of the community at the time if you believe that. DP sold incredibly well, everyone had it and everyone loved it. Look at old rating averages from that time on wayback machine.
You know which games sold incredibly well too ? The switch games.@@tabbender1232
You know that meme about how every Diamond and Pearl player ends up with the exact same team because the dex is just that limited? I think that's the most depressing part. No two Pokemon playthroughs should look super alike, Pokemon is about playing your way, but I think DP is where they dropped the ball on that the hardest.
ayo bro ... in the chart for the variety u gave sinnoh an L for poison without it having the least amount of poison types
second thing is at least for the side by side comparison of battle speed u used an intimidate luxio wich costs additional seconds at the start of a battle wich doesnt seem very fair.
what people seem to forget is that gen4 has the best soundtrack of all pokemon games and the (at least for me) best story with an really evil team (bombing an entire lake, enslaving pokemon, etc) and yes maybe the time is slower in battles but u see great animations wich take up time and hear awesome music. Also most fights arent over in a second anyways cuz most trainers have more than one pokemon anyways. gen 4 is in my opinion peak pokemon, from the world and pokemon design to the awesome sound track and fun story and of course the hardest champ fight there is.
so yeah small criticism here: polish ur data and visuals since u made in both categories mistakes.
I get your point... but your Statement with the Intimidate Battle is only half true in my opinion. Abilitys are a big Part of the Game in D/P and you cant expect a Playthrough without using a single Ability. So if he had compared two battles without any Abilitys I think it would distort the Battle Time in some sort. People might think "Oh, the Battle Time is nearly the same". But when they play the Game they would realize that the Time is way longer thanks to the Abilitys.
@@wilkobadberg5272 Well it adds even more of a feeling that it takes very long at least in the side by side comparison ... just seems like the creator wanted to make it Look even longer ... you cant Set a rule where u say every battle needs to be one shot but then Keep in the abilities since u rarely oneshot a Trainer after the first Routes ...
Now do why people hate Brilliant Diamond & Shining Pearl. Namely, the reason is that they are very straight remakes.
Man, looking at Diamond's battle speed makes you thank the fact that there are frame skip options in emulators.
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wow, sinnoh barely beats out the literal first game. so the original 151 had slightly less variety than the 4th gen with 210 total... out of near 500 to use.
For me, i love diamond
Its one of the best games in the series beside fire red and pokemon scarlet
Once you play the game in fast forward, you can't come back
yellow feels slower than red and blue
So as someone who had Pearl as the first DS game they ever owned, I think I should address some things: First off, there's the variety. D/P only seems lacking because it introduces the second least amount of Pokemon NOT counting the national dex, coming in at 107. However, counting them it comes in at 493, as it allows all the Pokemon from the previous gens. And if you're going to talk about variety, then you'd also need to include the newest 4 gens, as this guy even states that D/P were generally well received on release, and yet hated in modern times. You can't say they're hated now and put "Less variety" as one of your two issues when gen 6, one of the least liked gens, only had 72 additional Pokemon. Not to mention HG/SS and Platinum were of the same gen, and not a single word about them being hated. Speaking of which...
Second, let's address what someone else said, which is that the reason is because Platinum exists. As someone who has played Platinum, it's a good game. Great game in fact. But gens 1-3 also had improved games, like Crystal for gen 2, and yet we don't hear "Oh man, Gold and Silver sucks because Crystal exists". Crystal wasn't even REMADE for gen 4 along with HG and SS (And considering Platinum wasn't remade along with BDSP, I'm beginning to see a pattern...). So no, a third reason D/P are seemingly disliked isn't due to Platinum, even despite Platinum's upgrades.
Third, time. I'm just gonna reference what someone else said and put that you used a Luxio with intimidate, which got a crit and was super effective. NO DUH IT'LL BE LONGER IF YOU DO IT LIKE THAT. If you're trying to be fair, you need to record the same Pokemon doing the same move on the same Pokemon, not two different moves which could take two different times, with two different results. Also I'd like to point out there's an option to turn off animations in the settings, so the best way to check if it's slower would to also do a test with that without getting a crit or having it be super effective. And even if it's still slower, at least it'd be more accurate than whatever you tried doing here.
At the end of the day, this video is massively flawed. Not only does he say that D/P is hated yet only gives two points on why (One of which doesn't even matter that much), both points are flawed in their own way, as one had two battles that wasn't even the same and made it look obvious that it was rigged against D/P, giving them an inflated time, and the other criticized the variety, despite at the time it was well-received meaning it needs to count all the gens from before it was "hated" (Meaning not just gens 1-3), or at the very least explain why D/P's variety is singled out among Platinum and HG/SS in terms of gen 4 games (And don't get me started about that line about them being "Among the worst in the series" when gen 6 exists). It's flawed, wasn't prepared well, and doesn't consider anything other than gens 1-3 and only D/P in gen 4. Do not take this video as fact, and thank you for reading.
Platinum changed more than the other third versions did. It increased the awful regional Pokédex (something not done in the other third versions)and moved a gym forward (hearthome is now fought when you first arrive, cutting down the long arduous period where no gym battles occur), the games surfing and battle speed is faster, added new zones like the distortion world and greatly improved the concept of Cyrus and team galactic.
Gen IV is beloved, but time has not been kind to diamond and pearl.
@@harold5337 I mean granted, Platinum DID change a lot of things and make some QoL improvements. However, despite this they shouldn't be hated for not being as good as Platinum, which was made as an upgrade and a combination of these two games. Referencing my second point, both the upgrade AND the original two games should be held in similar regard, even if the upgrade is held more above the other.
Also funny you say that last sentence (Not just because of the box legendary of Diamond), because time has indeed not been kind to them in regards to the remakes, being much less liked than the originals.
A way too simple Calculation:
Red/Blue only have 15 Types in the Game. 15 Types for 150 Pokemon is basicially 10 Pokemon per Type.
And in D/P we have 17 Types and still 150 Pokemon. Thats only 8 up to 9 Pokemon per Type. Of course the variety is flawed. There is no excuse that D/P only have 150 Pokemon in the base Pokedex. Platinum fixed that thankfully.
Don’t come after Diamond bro we stan dialga 😂
About the lack of variety... I agree that the first one isn't that bad cause there's no comparison to be made... And you counted the evolutions and pre evolutions, which is bad info, cause you get 2 fire types like in the thumbnail
A massive issue I have with DP is how unnecessarily small its dex is. Kanto is 151, obviously. Johto’s dex is technically 251, hence why it won from most of your data. Hoenn is exactly 200 I believe. Sinnoh, for some dumb Kanto-loving reason, is also 151, which puts an extreme dent on DP Pokémon choices. There’s not even all of the Sinnoh Pokémon in the dex, if there was there’d at least be a whole 1 extra fire type line to use
Another big issue with the DP dex that the Kanto dex doesn't have is that there are like 20 or so pokemon that are locked behind obnoxious and time-consuming methods to get them, like the honey trees, Great Marsh daily pokemon and bullshit like spiritomb. For comparison, the only similar thing that kanto has is grinding coins to get Porygon.
You should have also mentioned that in the later part of the games -> Pokemon have way more HP. This also means that the HP Bar depletes way slower
Blissey
While i agree with your findings i woukd probably count pokemon types based on the evo line rathwr then each individual mon
Pokemon Diamond was my first game and I never thought it was bad
Because its your first.
Diamond and pearl are top 7 Pokémon games forsure amazing games but I do agree with the battling
- Diamond and pearl
- amazing games
Pick one
No they're not
They're worse that Sword and Shield and equally as bad as Scarlet and Violet
@@SMCwasTaken the DS games? No lol you are very wrong
@@TCGPokemondude Platinum and HGSS are better than DP
Those longer battle times are fine by me as long as I get to listen to the best trainer battle theme
i think your variety test is flawed as each region has a different total amount sure kanto has the least number of alot of types but the variety of types per game comes from number compared to itself so you really should look at and compare percenteges to see which has the worst variety, and i want to be clear im not saying youre dumb or the video was bad, im just pointing out something i saw a flaw in, no rude intent
I know i have a bad opinion i love gen two and gen four there so much fun i like the slightly slow and difficult battles at times.
Just to be speaking the truth, Sinnoh has lacking of Fire Type
"Fyling type"?
Fans: "Sinnoh only have 5 Fire types! We're starving!"
Ice Type: *Laughs in 4*
Actually there are only 2 fire type families. Chimchar and Ponyta. One of them is a starter
@@harold5337 5 PKMN in total*
Been loving this game lately playing the battle tower and its great
Despite this, i did love D/P since it really made my brain think of teams that i dont usually use in a playthrough..
And i ended up loving the same team aswell!
Platinum is better
Idk why anyone would like the original games
I feel like it's biased because of ability stuff going off and also the battle animations being on. Battle animations should have been off to make it more balanced.
2:13 Jigglypuff used headbutt against gengar 💀
Yooka-Laylee and Pokemon X and Y could be other episodes of the Why people hate series.
Along side Mario kart 7, dark moon, and gen 7 game that I like but have way too much hate
I still love those games. the music just slaps hard and as a kid I thought the way battles were handled was really immersive. I never cared about the time it took to go into battle. Yeah these games have flaws but I personally never thought the battle time to be one of them
Edit: also you couldve spammed your buttons. It seems a bit like you were stretching out the time there to make your point stronger. Your point is true anyways but maybe that wouldve changed the validity of this criticism. also the variety test was passed still you said that this crticism holds up... dude what? You just decided that because you are dissapointed the didnt include as many old pokemon? I really dont understand where youre coming from. dislike for me
Average Fire type fans: 🤬
Diamond and pearl enjoyers: 🏋️
this is just blatantly unfair based on the ever increasing number of pkemon per gen so your comparison is invalid
i heard the dp ai uses move at random which is why it is easy
All of my gen 3 and gen 4 games are fake. I only have gen 1, 2, 6, 7, and 8. I need some actual copies of those games
I liked 4th gen I didn't care how long it was I don't care what anyone says I loved all the pokemon ds games it was better than 3ds but I'm gonna be honest Alpha Sapphire and Omega Ruby were good
If you want to play a Sinnoh game, play Platinum
With Johto having more pokemon variety it's no wonder I loved it more
Johto having more variety is only somewhat true.... a good 30-50 of these Pokemon, which he counted in this discussion are locked to after you have beaten the league, all the Stone Evo mons can't be done before the post game in the originals, or you need to grind the pokeathlon in the remakes, and there are another 20 or so pokemon that you can't obtain before after the beating the 7. gym.
This just means that Johto is just more in line with every other pokemon game from that era with its pokemon variety.
Sinnoh is bloated and felt very empty to me. The ugly overworld artstyle was not better.
I mean they did a better job with the Gen 2 remakes in terms of coloration.
Saying Diamond is bad makes me like it more √(°=°)√
and also you forgot to bulli the poketech, because in Diamond and Pearl it had a single botton to scroll apps forward which gets more tedious the more apps you get because you gotta scroll past 10+ apps to get to the first one
Gen 4 was the only gen I played socially with trades and the underground and all that, so they do hold a special place in my heart, but Pokémon peaked in Johto and that’s undeniable, hasn’t been a good mainline game since Platinum.
People seems to love the Black and White games but the Pokemon are hideous.
@@Kyoko_ had Pokémon black, I always always went with the grass starter… but snivy… nah, only got up through the n fight before dropping that game, heard the sequel was better, but I’d already checked out.
I guess it depends on the person. I do think gen 5 has some of the absolute best main series games, but I get everyone doesn't like the pokemon designs. For me sword and shield is the game with awful designs and is the game I think of when I look to understand why people don't like certain pokemon games.
@@LightshaverConstellation very fair, I do enjoy that there are region variants of Pokémon nowadays, that’s cool.
Compared to what hoenn offered it was embarrassing.
So you didn’t think to actually play the game