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Constantine, Christians, and the First Council of Nicea (300-325 AD) Ep. 71
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- Опубліковано 28 кві 2020
- This episode covers some of the major events of Christian and Roman history between about 330 AD until 600 AD. Dave talks about the fall of the Western Roman Empire, the persecution of Paganism, and the steady rise of the Bishop of Rome (who would later hold the title of Pope).
Transcript of this episode and possibly additional notes on our website: bit.ly/35rWhCM
More on the Council of Ephesus: bit.ly/2Iay3lP
More on the Council of Chalcedon: bit.ly/2waVJUo
More on the First Council of Constantinople: bit.ly/32bZMeU
More on the Second Council of Constantinople: bit.ly/3cd2Zzy
More on the fall of the Western Empire: bit.ly/382BsNU
Even more on the fall of the Western Empire: bit.ly/3adoyOJ
History of the title, “Pope”: bit.ly/2vu6iSv / bit.ly/2TvJfhO / bit.ly/2PNV1TN
Some info on the development of the papacy: bit.ly/3a8jYB0
The problem of jurisdictional authority in the early church: bit.ly/2vGNW0j
Papal supremacy developed over time? bit.ly/39Om1dm
More on the development of papal supremacy: bit.ly/3bTRxbG
Read the Canons of the First Council of Constantinople: bit.ly/2HWk2I7
Some key events from 4th century Christianity: bit.ly/3bNINE2
More info on the rise of Christianity: bit.ly/39SgTVL
More on Emperor Julian “the Apostate”: bit.ly/2VatDTq
More on Emperor Jovian (who I didn’t mention in the episode): bit.ly/39RPnYk
Pagan temples raided to build Constantinople?: bit.ly/2Ph2QRQ
Complete chronological list of Roman Emperors: bit.ly/2um52QM
Bishop of Rome gaining secular authority: bit.ly/2HM6qPw / bit.ly/37NX1ll
Source for the quote from the Catholic theologian: bit.ly/385ggqu
Is this segment scripted? Yes! Here’s why: bit.ly/2Gf3pIS
Watch more Faith and Beliefs videos: bit.ly/2BlOxEB
Chat with Dave on Facebook: bit.ly/2QQ0HKR
NOTES:
-Constantinople was built on the location of an older city called Byzantium. Initially, Constantine named the new city “New Rome,” but after his death it was renamed Constantinople, meaning, “City of Constantine.” After the fall of the Western Roman Empire, the Eastern Roman Empire would come to be known as the Byzantine Empire.
-Canon #6 of the Nicene Creed has long been the subject of discussion between Catholics and non-Catholic Christians as it deals with a very important question: Did the Bishop of Rome always have total authority and jurisdiction over the Church and every other bishop of the Church? Interpretations of Canon #6 vary. For example, here is an example of a non-Catholic interpretation: bit.ly/395FYfK. And here is a Catholic interpretation: bit.ly/2HY5QOS. Feel free to come to your own conclusions.
-The First Council of Constantinople named the bishop of Constantinople as the Church’s second most honorable bishop, after the Bishop of Rome, basically for no other reason than the fact that Constantinople was the new center of … everything (Canon #3). But while the Bishop of Rome was probably more influential than any other bishop at this point in history, it’s important to recognize that this canon is not recognizing that the Bishop of Rome has authority over all of Christendom, but that he is simply the most “honorable” bishop. As a side-note: This canon was super-controversial, because it meant that the honor of the bishops of Alexandria/Antioch/Jerusalem was diminished. And, contrary to Constantinople, those cities had played a huge role in the early faith.
-The coming forth of the Bible canon really deserves its own episode, but just as a side-note: The Old Testament canon was more easily decided upon than the New Testament, by virtue of its scriptures having been around for much longer. In terms of the New Testament, the four gospels were accepted more quickly than the other books. It seems the Pauline letters were probably some of the more controversial bits that took a little more time to be accepted fully. It’s hard to say when exactly the Bible was officially canonized, because it was a process that happened over time. This is evident by the fact that the lists of OT/NT books are revisited and affirmed in multiple councils/synods/meetings. Also, different sects of Christianity sometimes came to different conclusions about which books they’d recognize as scriptural.
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Thank you so much for this video!!!! I have been trying to find a good video on the persecutions of Christians for such a long time and this series has been a lifesaver! I am currently doing an assignment where I have to create a timeline on early Christian history and this has helped me so much! you guys have done an amazing job with this and should be really proud!
Ask the Holy Spirit to teach you and to guide
you. I would recommend the UA-cam channel Cleveland street preachers and follow Jesus no man no religion. Be holy and obey Jesus. Hebrews 5:9 "salvation is for those who obey. Y
So excited for the next one. The level of detail on this subject is just awesome. Keep it up!
@XYU Oh? What's wrong?
PRECIOUS GRANT, GOD LOVES YOU BUT HE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS LDS BUNK,WHICH SLANDERS OTHERS BY INVENTING SILLY LIES AS THIS VIDEO IS AND CONCEALS THE IMPOSTURE OF THIS RELIGION. DO NOT NOTICE YOUR POOR SPIRITUAL LIFE? READ A SOUND BOOK OF HISTORY AS WELL AS THE NEW TESTAMENT. ABOVE ALL,PRAY HUMBLY AND THE LORD JESUS SHALL SET YOU FREE AND MAKE YOU WHOLE
@@gesucristo8952 I love you my brother in Christ! We are both saved because of his grace! Can you please explain to me what are your thoughts about Constantine's reasons to legalize Christianity in the roman empire and then have a referendum on how he will govern the church?
Fantastic video! (Along with part 1) Can’t wait for part 3. This has always been a tough period for me to understand.
I LOVE AND LEARNING FROM YOUR RESEARCH AND EXPLAINING AND VISUAL SO SUPER HOLD ME TO CONTINUES THANKS DAVID BYE FROM AUSTRALIA
As with all you do.... It is so handy, helpful and useful having this information made available in a brief user-friendly video. Thank you!
Don't forget to add early christians are saturday sabbath keepers and force to do the sunday worship
Love this video this so much! As someone who grew up devoutly Catholic, my priests and CCD teachers never taught about this detailed history. Rather it was focused on how the “heroic Saints” would fight against “heresies” to preserve their agendas in their newly formed church.
Allie Ooop it won’t be long before you become one of us 😉🥰
Okay Allie, First off; you don’t need to be trolling UA-cam religion videos and coming for people who have different beliefs than your own. I promise, it won’t build your own faith, if that’s what your endgame is.
Secondly; you don’t speak for other people and their experiences. ESPECIALLY others people’s spiritual experiences. That’s between them and their Heavenly Father. So for me, who grew up going to daily mass, praying rosaries, attending discernment retreats etc. I know my faith was strong and I had that relation with my Heavenly Father, His Holy Spirit, and son Jesus Christ. So for you typing and saying that I’m “not devout” is just gross. You don’t know me, you don’t know my story. You can’t speak for me, let alone 1 billion of other Catholics in the world whose faith is on a big spectrum. Catholicism is dear to me, it’s a strong foundation that ultimately allowed me to come to know the true nature of the Godhead. So I guess all I can do is hope for you to do better and find more meaningful ways for you grow in your own faith and find that connection with your Heavenly Father. I’ll pray for you, and hope the same for you to me. Have a wonderful weekend! 😊 🙏🏻
david janbaz Growing up I believed in and prayed to a literal, real, and distinct Heavenly Father, Holy Spirit, and Jesus long before my conversion or knowledge of the fullness of the Gospel. The true identity of the Godhead is one of the many things that drew me this Gospel. Funny how God works that way in allowing us to seek truth. 😉 As a Catholic I was never comfortable with the trinitarian philosophy the church created back in the day, in my heart I knew that wasn’t right. But regardless I adhered to the church’s “created magisterium” as I continued to grow spiritually. It’s not anyone position to speculate other’s faith. I guess all I can do for you is to say the same thing I told that Allie individual; coming for people online and looking for arguments (assuming that’s your agenda) isn’t going to strengthen your own faith. I’d also invite you as a protest-ant to say an earnest prayer to your Heavenly Father and really discern if he’s a real, living God or just an abstract philosophical idea. Have an awesome Friday! 😃 🙏🏻
Ask the Holy Spirit to teach you and to guide
you. I would recommend the UA-cam channel Cleveland street preachers and follow Jesus no man no religion. Be holy and obey Jesus. Hebrews 5:9 "salvation is for those who obey. R
Educative.... thanks
The first and second Nicene councils created some big, big changes. Baptism by immersion was one of the them.
Mormon part is partially correct as it is because also they have a book separate from the Bible called book of mormon
Actually Constantine had no control over Christianity. He left that up to the bishops and always consulted the bishop of Rome since held the papacy.
Fantastic. I am writing a play about the Nicene council using a book by Frank Slaughter (fiction) as a basis and having Constantine's mother as a narrator. I would like to use excepts from your video (with absolutely proper attribution) because I too have trying to present a historical event through a neutral lens. I love your animation. My channel is very low budget (no budget actually) and is called The Whimsical Byzantine. Keep up the good work!
Before I converted to the fullness of the Gospel, I grew up Catholic. But I never actually believed or worshiped the abstract, trinitarian god their early church developed and voted on. But rather, I believed and prayed to a literal, distinct Heavenly Father, His Holy Spirit, and son Jesus Christ. (Don’t tell my priests 😉)
Mormon leadership actively votes on new doctrine/revelation which is then put up to a sustaining vote before the church body. Mormons are no different in this regard. Christians do not “vote” on new doctrine, but refer back to and reaffirm what is taught in the Bible and the Apostolic tradition. We do NOT accept new teachings or beliefs based on any sort of majority rule.
@@BrendonKing after listening to several of the apostles talking about how they make decisions, just saying they vote on it isn’t very realistic as to all that is done. They discuss the issues,looking at it from every angle and they each pray to get guidance from the Lord. The purpose of this is their desire to follow God’s will. After they have done these things a few more times they then vote.
@@BrendonKing Debunking catholicism
I'm more blessed than mary
Proof = Luke 11:27-28
27 And it happened, as He spoke these things, that a certain woman from the crowd raised her voice and said to Him, “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and the breasts which nursed You!”
28 But He said, “More than that, blessed are those who hear the word of God and keep it!”
In Luke 11:27 that random woman LITERALLY said Jesus your mother is Blessed, but are Lord Jesus LITERALLY said Believers are more Blessed than mary. Amen and Amen
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CHRIST alone
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
ACTS 4:12 Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
There is only One Mediator between God and men, LORD Jesus Christ= 1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus.
Hebrew 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Hebrew 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
Hebrew 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by One Spirit to the Father
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Work of God =
John 6:28 Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”
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1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach
Paul allows bishops to get marry, but catholic church goes against paul.
Now these catholic will give a Verses from 1 Corinthians7 to say that paul gave the advice to stay unmarried. But they will not tell you that the same chapter they quote says 1 Corinthians 7:28 "even if you do marry, you have not SINNED". The passage literally says "young women, young men" and a bishop is supposed to be a Church ELDER. Mic drop
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Jesus said Matthew 23:9
9 Do not call anyone on earth your father; for One is your Father, He who is in heaven.
And also said Holy Father to Heavenly Father= John 17:11
11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are.
Jesus said call no one Father but still catholics call *pope holy father.
Sad
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Whenever a catholic argue about mary being the mother of God
Use this to defeat the argument.
Luke 8:21 But He answered and said to them, “My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.”
Matthew 12:46-50
46 While He was still talking to the multitudes, behold, His mother and brothers stood outside, seeking to speak with Him. 47 Then one said to Him, “Look, Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak with You.”
48 But He answered and said to the one who told Him, “Who is My mother and who are My brothers?” 49 And He stretched out His hand toward His disciples and said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 50 For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.”.
Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother.”
John 19:26-27
26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. ( Jesus basically said John is the son of mary, and mary is the mother of John from that time onwards).
By the way sarah is the mother of all proof=Galatians 4:21-26.
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We should not pray to apostles
Romans 1:25
25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
Acts 10:25-26
25 As Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him and fell down at his feet and worshiped him. 26 But Peter lifted him up, saying, “Stand up; I myself am also a man.”
Acts 14:15
15 and saying, “Men, why are you doing these things? We also are men with the same nature as you, and preach to you that you should turn from these useless things to the living God, who made the heaven, the earth, the sea, and all things that are in them,
Revelation 19:10
10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. But he said to me, “See that you do not do that! I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren who have the testimony of Jesus. Worship God! For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
Revelation 22:8-9
8 Now I, John, saw and heard these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things.
9 Then he said to me, “See that you do not do that. For I am your fellow servant, and of your brethren the prophets, and of those who keep the words of this book. Worship God."
Colossians 2:18
18 Let no one cheat you of your reward, taking delight in false humility and worship of angels, intruding into those things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
You cannot go to Father through saints nor mary, you can only go to the Father through Lord Jesus Christ= John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
Ephesians 2:18 For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.
Holy Spirit intercedes for us=Romans 8:26
26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
And CHRIST as well=Romans 8:34
34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
Hebrews 7:25
25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
It's Christ and Holy Spirit who intercedes for us not apostles
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Apostles are allowed to marry,
1 Corinthians 9:1-5
1 Am I not an apostle? Am I not free? Have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? Are you not my work in the Lord? 2 If I am not an apostle to others, yet doubtless I am to you. For you are the seal of my apostleship in the Lord.
3 My defense to those who examine me is this: 4 Do we have no right to eat and drink? 5 Do we have no right to take along a believing wife, as do also the other apostles, the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas?
If Peter (peter is cephas read John 1:42) the so called "first pope" was married, why does the catholic church doesn't allow "pope" to marry?
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The so called vicar of christ/ pope/holy father Peter called himself a fellow elder in 1 Peter 5:1, and as per the qualifications of elder in Titus 1:5-9 the elder is allowed to get married; then why does the "pope" is required to be celibate and catholic? ( when Peter was neither celibate nor catholic).
1)Peter was not perfect human nor was he a perfect disciple
2)He sank down while walking on water
3)Our Lord said to peter get behind me satan
4)Peter reject our Lord 3 times
5)Our Lord rebuked Peter for calling fire from heaven
6)Our Lord rebuked Peter when he cut of the soilders ear
7)Paul rebuked Peter for being hypocrite because he was acting different in front of Jews and different in front of gentiles.
8) Moses messed up, and he was a important part of Bible ( that's why he never entered the promised land),
9)David messed up ( and he has the Holy Spirit),
10)King Soloman messed up,
11) Saul messed up and God regretted the decision (1 Samuel 15:10-11).
Hatrick (Saul then David then Soloman back to back messed up)
12)The apostles run away a day before Lord Jesus got locked up.
13)The early church messed up Rev 2:18-20, 1 Corinthians, Galatians.
14) Apostle John when receiving Revelation worshiped an angel and the angel said "see you do not do that. Worship GOD" Revelation 22:8-9
If these great people could mess up, why do you think the catholic church wouldn't mess up.
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Galatians 4:21-26
21 Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? 22 For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, 24 which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar- 25 for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children- 26 but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Sarah is mother of all, Not mary
Also the Church has many name like Christians, Evangelists, Children of God, Believers, servents of God, bride of Christ, but not once the Church is called catholics
Changed the 10 commandments by deleting 2nd commandment, and dividing the 10th into 2 commandments. Also changing the real Saturday Sabbath to fake sunday sabbath.
@@mynameis......23 Ok this is really long so I'm only gonna answer the first thing, but Mary did hear the word of God and keep it. So she is blessed in that capacity. But she's also blessed in particular.
"And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,
And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed." Luke 1:48
Your awesomeness 💜💙🧡💛💚
“Scripture is not clear on the subject”
Two seconds later: “98% of the Bishops voted yes” 🤣 too much unclarity on the matter
The bishops deciding to vote a certain way doesn't mean that the scripture is clear on the subject. There are a lot of times in the scriptures where Jesus talks about His Father and the Holy Ghost in a very separate way, i.e. when Christ is baptized and God (who isn't there) sends down the spirit in the form of a dove. That (taken literally), would suggest that they are three separate beings, therefore not subscribing to the trinitarian belief. On the other hand, there are many times that Jesus says that He, God, and the Holy Spirit are one. Taken literally, that would suggest that they are in fact ONE being. So both you @Revert Revertz and you @XYU are correct in pointing out that clearly people interpret the text as supporting trinitarianism, but you are doing this through the lens of your faith. Many faiths interpret the Godhead and the concept of the Trinity differently, and what it really comes down to is what is considered symbolic and what is considered literal. Those who believe in a separate Godhead consider the text saying they are "one" to be symbolic, and the text saying they are separate to be literal. Those who believe in a single Godhead or the Trinity consider the text saying they are "one" to be literal, and the text saying they are separate to be symbolic. It's really simple. That is the decision that was made at this creed- what would be considered literal, and what would be considered symbolic. Kwaku El, a regular guest on Saints Unscripted has a really good video on the Trinity that might shed more light on why this decision is made. You should go check it out! :)
Kwaku's Video: ua-cam.com/video/l9oonmxuxVk/v-deo.html
P.S. when I grabbed the link from Kwaku's video, I saw that Saints Unscripted (the channel above) also had their own. So here's that too! :)
Saints Unscripted's Video: ua-cam.com/video/tdO3DIyY3fM/v-deo.html
@@sarahturner4148 No, trinitarians do not believe that texts speaking of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit as not identical are symbolic. You're confusing trinitarians with unitarians. The Trinity is:
1 being of God, 3 distinct (not identical, but fully united in being and nature) persons of God.
You're also forgetting the two natures of Christ (divine and human).
@Christopher is correct
Thanks a bunch🍌🍌🍌
Good video - congrats from POLAND!
who was the last person to have the priesthood? Arius? when can we say original church was lost?
I could give many quotes on the trinity from the 1st and 2nd century.
You for got to mention that emperor Constantine had abolished the Sabbath day during 321 A.D. March 7 . And moved the Sabbath day to Sunday, which was the day of the Sun God worship that the Romans celebrated as it was there custom. There for Christans were no longer keeping the 4th commandment; keep the Sabbath day Holy.
Also abolished passover in 325 AD and introduced 25th dec as christmas which ws actually celebrated as brthday of sun god..25 dec is nowhere in bible too
@@changrangsonam7987 the Bible shows all Truth and tells all Truth. Passover must be kept as it was the custom of Christ
LOL Luke 4:16 is in the Old Covenant you Ellen White worshipper. Just as you were so enthusiastic about saying it was his custom in the Old Covenant now show me a verse in the New Covenant where it is still his custom. You Adventists forget to read Romans 7 or you don't understand it or both.
You don't even know who Joseph Bates is. Gerald Massey, Alexander Hislop or Ralph Woodrow. SDA judaizers are funny.
You can keep the Sabbath holy in spirit which is actually Jesus message, was the Sabbath made for man, or man for the Sabbath?
Padre Pio has some great insights. He also became an incorruptible saint and I believe you support Eucharistic miracles.
Was the Jewish Bishops among those 1800 people invited, and where they then told to not show up if they where of Jewish origin or Judaizers?
If this event and it's chain of devastations aren't clear enough to prove that the bible that we're reading now (doesn't matter which version) isn't the authentic Gospel of God, and still denying that God decreed His messages & commandments to human beings one last time through God's final messenger, Prophet Muhammad PBUH and it all had been well secured, I seriously don't know what else is clearer.
This video pretty much explains the apostasy
Is Trinitarianism Actually Scriptural? According to Jesus Christ & the Apostles, Trinitarianism is NOT scriptural. According to Trinitarians, Trinitarianism is scriptural.
If you are on Team Jesus Christ & Apostles, you are viewed as Pagan by Mainline Christianity. If you are on Team Trinitarian, you are viewed as Pagan by Biblical Christianity or the closest thing to it.
@XYU The Bible states that Jesus Christ is a man (1 Timothy 2:5), the father of Jesus Christ is God (John 20:17), the head of Christ is God (1 Corinthians 11:3) & the Apostles had one God who is the father of Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 8:6).
The Trinitarian view contradicts 1 Timothy 2:5 as it makes Jesus Christ a God-Man. The Trinitarian view contradicts John 20:17 as it makes Jesus Christ a second God which contradicts the Trinitarian claim of believing in one God. The Trinitarian view contradicts 1 Corinthians 11:3 as Jesus Christ would be God & God doesn't have anyone above him. The Trinitarian view contradicts 1 Corinthians 8:6 as it makes the Apostles believe in three Gods (God the Father, God the Son & God the Holy Ghost).
The truth is that most Trinitarians believe the Trinity is true not because the Bible says it's true but because the Roman Catholic Church teaches that tradition is above the Bible & Trinitarians are mostly Catholics which includes Protestants.
@XYU You do know there are many Mormon sects, we are not one single sect. There is the LDS which is the biggest, the FLDS & Yahweh's Pioneers Church just to name three, we agree on some parts but others we disagree.
Yahweh's Pioneers Church is Biblical-Mormon Unitarian so we believe there is one God who is the Father of Jesus Christ & all of creation.
@@davidjanbaz7728 Mormonism isn't made up of one sect, it's made up of many sects such as the LDS, FLDS & Yahweh's Pioneers Church.
@@davidjanbaz7728 If the Trinity is biblical, you should be able to find where someone teaches it without having to use proof texts.
Pastor Andrew Rusher - Yahweh’s Pioneers Church likewise you (as a Mormon) would have to show from scripture that God has disclosed himself as a god from a pantheon of gods, who was not eternally existent from eternity into eternity who was born a man and raised into exaltation by obedience to a set of rites and ordinances just like his god was and so on and so forth.
5:35 Even non-trinitarians will believe at least the Father is uncreated, even Muslims believe God is eternal; LDS members believe all three are created beings. Saying there's an infinity of created Gods ("we just worship these three in our corner of the universe") sounds more like paganism than Christianity, sorry.
Christophe Keating
The fact is that we just know so much in this imperfect world.
Ah this helps me with a clear distinction. I always accepted the trinity after I left the jehovahs witnesses. I just couldn't define protestant.... those churches formed after the reformation that aren't Trinitarian don't qualify as protestant because that argument had already been resolved. Just started RCIA by the way I'm quite obsessed with the church.
You must read the Bible friend!
I wish Arius won
mormon heresy
the debate is pretty clear if u read lot of bible. Who to belive look at their fruits
Nowhere in the scriptures is it written that God, Jezus a the Holy Ghost are one and the same. Why did Christ say, my Father? Why did the Holy Ghost inspire the apostles after Christ died? Christ said: Father let this cup passe me, on the olive garden?
Christ has the duality, as THE LOGOS. He is both divine AND human. As the human Jesus, He spoke to His father, on earth. Before the Incarnation, He is still part of the Godhead. He IS the Logos. He is the LIVING Word (in the flesh). The Word MADE (into) flesh. He speaks to God the FATHER while as a human man, bc He was born as a fleshly babe to the Virgin Mary. He has two natures: the divine nature, and the human nature. Think Christ and Yeshua.
Some believe that the Holy Spirit is the feminine attribute of the Godhead.
Is there reason to believe that the Christian god didn’t communicate with Constantine in a dream and subsequently help the Roman army in battle,
david janbaz: I’m referring to Constantine’s claim, which itself suggests that the Christian god did so. My experience with Latter-Day Saints is that they don’t believe this to be true, but I wonder why.
Do you believe Constantine’s claim to be true?
david janbaz: do you believe God only manifests to Christians?
david janbaz: If a person changes their behavior, that is proof enough for you to believe they saw a true vision of god?
XYU: I’m of the mind that, when faced with a claim that seems to be a unique event (religious claims usually fall into this category, as do most conspiracies, superstitions, and stereotypes) we should begin with a baseline of disbelief, then let reason and evidence guide us toward truth.
In this case, there seems to be as much evidence that Constantine had a vision turning him toward Christianity as there is that Joseph Smith had a vision turning toward starting a restored version of Constantine’s Christianity. The question, to me, is whether there is enough evidence to believe either claim.
david janbaz: Who established the trinity as orthodox?
Cool
The people on the third hour forum don’t believe this though and preach Adam as god and a polygamist god as well
Well they can believe what they want to, but that is not what the Church teaches.
They sound pretty heretical, that is what happens when you try to make yourself more important than Christ
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WAS CONSTANTINE ACTUALLY A CHRISTIAN? Despite the claims of apostate Christendom, no true Christian has ever believed that Constantine was in any way a true Christian. His whole life course was contrary to the teachings of Jesus. Consider the facts:
▫️Constantine was a Roman Emperor. What was Jesus attitude to such men?
📖 Matthew 20:25-27 - But Jesus called them to him and said: “You know that the rulers of the nations lord it over them and the great men wield authority over them. 26 This must not be the way among you; but whoever wants to become great among you must be your minister, 27 and whoever wants to be first among you must be your slave.
▫️Constantine was a man of the world and a man of political ambition. What was Jesus attitude to such men?
📖 John 18:36 - Jesus answered: “My Kingdom is no part of this world. If my Kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be handed over to the Jews. But as it is, my Kingdom is not from this source.”
▫️ Constantine was a man of violence and war. What was Jesus attitude to such men?
📖 Matthew 26:52 - Then Jesus said to him: “Return your sword to its place, for all those who take up the sword will perish by the sword.
📖Matthew 5:43-44 - “You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbour and hate your enemy.’ 44 However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you,
▫️Constantine mixed christianity with pagan belief in an effort to unify his empire. What was Jesus attitude to such men?
📖 1 Corinthians 10:21 - You cannot be drinking the cup of Jehovah and the cup of demons; you cannot be partaking of “the table of Jehovah” and the table of demons.
▫️Constantine portrayed himself as a god. What was Jesus attitude to such men?
📖 Philippines 2:3 and 5 - Do nothing out of contentiousness or out of egotism, but with humility consider others superior to you. … 5 Keep this mental attitude in you that was also in Christ Jesus, …
📖 Matthew 4:10 - “Go away, Satan! For it is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”
⁉️ History confirms that Constantine played a pivotal role in the development and promotion of the Trinity doctrine. Does not the fact that such an un-Christ-like man had such a strong influence raise alarm bells about its validity?
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I block you abd Click (don't recommend).. booo to you Wally 😮
So...your not going to use the Canstantine from the superior but short loved show. But instead, the far worse movie.
I worship the holy Trinity glory be to God in Christ