He obviously wouldn’t be ok with it but his entire leftism is just being as performative as possible knowing he will never actually have to experience any about of strife or violence himself
No, he would screech AF. While Tankies see themselves as being of the Left their beliefs are in the continuum of Fascistic ideology on the spectrum of Conservative ideology.
No, he has to carry on the Revolution! But if they died for the Revolution or held religious beliefs after The People's(TM) revolution, I'm sure he'd be fine with them going away like Stalin did.
Even if I accept the idea that the Israeli civilians are not civilians, isn't killing unarmed 'soldiers' who have given themselves up a war crime? Isn't raping the local populace still condemnable???
war crime is not the same thing as immoral. personally, i dont think it was immoral for native americans to kill surrendered soldiers. They genocided your people... why should they be considered?
Condemnable? Sure Is it weird to whine about it this much when Israel has been doing this on a larger scale for almost a century? Also yes. Is it wrong to attempt to "both-sides" this genocide because of one act of résistance ? Yes Israel is fully responsible for this attack. They created the conditions for hamas to exist " I condemn the italian partisans for murdering Mussolini's mistress 🤓" Like bro we get it wasn't a good thing either but that's just a drop in the ocean.
If you do that, they'll pull a "US bad" card because of course. Why is advocating for the improvement of your side such a foreign concept to these people?
This content is so valuable IMO, it’s almost singlehandedly stopped me from going completely doomer on the state of the left right now and I’m sure I’m not the only one. Watching my community grieve while other people celebrate the attack has been heart-wrenching, and I really appreciate the fact that some people understand that we should never treat the brutal murder of civilians like a victory.
One can be pro-Palestine and think that what Hamas are doing is absolutely outrageous. There is no excuse for this type of indiscriminate violence., rape, torture and murder. A real resistance movement would attack military targets and the levers of the state. Hamas are cowards, picking on those who can’t defend themselves.
@@mindlanderI was 75-80% pro-Israel before this, but watching the reactions of those directly involved and the far left, yeah, it’s 100% now. My mind’s made up and it’s going to take a lot to change it.
I hope youve shed 10x as many tears when israel has done 10x worse - without at least having the justification of fighting against a settler colonial state.
@@finn8518 not a fan but it doesn’t take a lot to know who is the colonizer and who is indigenous you just need to know history and what inidgenity means…surely not your case
The same ppl who want prison reform and to treat criminals better are also justifying atrocities against Israelis they consider criminals and settlers ......makes sense
Also seen a Tankie both support Hamas and say "Ukraine should give up and negotiate with Russia because they are just wasting human lives fighting for land they cannot control anyway." I mean are these people against colonialism and genocide or supporting it?
@@Extraterrestrial-Bilu As boner box said, they are literally just anti-west/america and support whatever is against them regardless of how hypocritical and idiotic it makes them look
Meh, one man’s terrorism is another man’s freedom fighter. Pro Hamas podcasts should only be banned after Zionist ones - as zionists are literally genocidal in practice and theory.
@@dragonslaya16Doesn't have to be illegal to violate TOS for a platform. I assume tankies are better stooges for capitalism and fascism than an average lib.
@@dragonslaya16 in Germany it is. And I'm pretty sure that you also get legal trouble in the US if you support a group of people who plot to take over power in the USA for example.
your Hasan impersonation is so spot on...."the material conditions bro, he comes at this from a settler colonial perspective".....how I listened to that dude for almost 2 years is a personal failing to me. this left tankie problem is infuriating....glad there are still sane lefties out here like you. please continue streaming man, you're doing a great job
It's not your fault, they 100% try to lure you in with good domestic policy with sound backing, then when they hit you with an insane Tankie position you feel conflicted and like you obviously have to be in the wrong, because this lefty you look up to wouldn't suddenly be wrong. The main difference between him and second thought is that Hasan is too stupid to hide his psychotic Tankie positions on a second channel or podcast.
lifelong lefties seeing the left go mask off and starting to wake up - yes it's tough. i went thru it. i was a leftie for decades. then i saw them go mask off over something no decent human being would think is okay and for me, it was like leaving a cult. now i cant believe half the dangerous craziness the left espouses. i'm not right now... it's just that i'm not left. it's disorienting at first!
It was an anti war festival too. Heard an interview with one of the organisers that said that he felt the pain of the Palestinians. Guess this wont exactly encourage more initiatives of the same type 😥
Yeah you know who they killed I think one of the most premium anti-israel government pro-palestine Pro peace activists there is in Israel she was in her 60s I believe
Israelis don't have a historical right to Israel too. Real owner is my ancestor Grog the Skullcrusher, whose tribe arrived at Israel in 100 000 BC. Let's get land back!
They are Tankies. What do you expect from fascists with red in their flag? Good takes on civilian deaths? (edit: I mean, they are literally called Tankies and there is a reason for this)
@@mindlander This is about civilian deaths. Not Palestinians or Israelis specifically. Normal people deplore civilian deaths. Fascists view them as a means to an end.
Finally, a sane take on everything. I consider myself to be more towards the left but I started to really question some people on the far left when they started calling Putin a nazi killer like his decision to invade the Ukraine was something righteous. When the festival goers where attacked and kidnapped, I saw people on the left cheering for what Hamas did. I just don't understand how someone can make these types of statements in earnest.
How are you the only youtuber capable of nuanced thought. I applaud you for not only condemning the evil shit going on in the left, but at the same time, not letting that compromise your core beliefs and morals.
Im so glad i was historically literate before i was politically literate, because its the lack of the former that helps ST to turn people into tankies. He conditions you with his politics, and then he twists, omits or outright lies about historical facts thst he then uses to support he's arguments.
he went from being a musk stan to being a tankie, i'm still wondering why would he need to have some sort of idol, or dare i say, a cult of personality.
Same. I liked some of his capitalism critique videos, but I quickly realized what he was about. He also massively hides his political power level as well.
@@joshuayung5158 Yep. Massively wealthy. These people’s extreme political beliefs are an esthetic or a shiny badge they get to show their friends. They don’t do anything to push their beliefs in a meaningful way like soc Dems or progressives do. They just larp online all day
tbh what i learned from all this stuff is that Israeli ppl wanna commit a genocide now on gaza and muslims also wanna do the same thing and both sides want us to pick a side and pretend genocide is cool or something both sides suck
Hamas doesn't represent every Palestinian, and the Israeli government doesn't represent all Israelis. There are sane, normal people on both sides and awful terrorists on both sides.
Because when it comes to religion then everything is permitted. You cannot reason with something they deem above the law, it cannot be bargained with or negotiated. Because both are so deeply rooted in their beliefs , whoever has the power to the land will treat the other the same way. The only way to deal with this is intervention splitting it into 2 states from a third party and making it strict that neither gets their “holy land.”
@@ReySchultz121 The honest answer is that holding both of these opinions in your head at the same time seems contradictory because Hamas and IDF are directly opposed to one another, and also that it appears like there is a lot more condemnation of Hamas than there is of the IDF so condemning Hamas feels like giving into the status quo. I'm not saying that's a good reason for doing it, but that is why they do it (if you really wanted to understand the perspective of online radicals, as someone who used to hang around them).
@@ReySchultz121 I left spaces with nothing but LARPers and violent people with no common sense, but i'm still very much on the left. I just learned a lot more about politics and realised many of them are hurting the movement.
I used to watch BE's vids quite a bit. His actual researched and scripted vids. They were really informative and I liked them a lot. I remember a vid of his where he attacks streamers and said that he would never stream. Now that's all he does and we get to look in confusion at the raw, unedited side of BE and regret ever watching his content. Granted, his Twitter accounts ("BE" also stands for "Ban Evasion") should've been red flags, but I didn't use Twitter that much back then.
@@PlatinumAltaria "he's literally just vaush..." ah yeah, about that... i never recall Vaush telling his audience to brigade and harass others for slightly disagreeing with him. Also, that Hadron of Theseus person never liked BE lmao.
An interesting/kind-of tragic thing is that the whole anti-semitic Khazar myth was originated by a Jewish author, Arthur Koestler (a pretty colorful character), who suggested it in the (IMO, completely misguided) belief that anti-semitism would not survive decoupling present-day Jews from being "Christ-killers."
To see people I really looked up to like Hakim, Second Thought and Hassan come out with these absolutely disgusting opinions has made me completely reevaluate why I valued their opinions in the first place.
I've always been unapologetically Leftist, but I find myself more and more having to offer general constructive criticism to my fellow Leftoids. I lived with a 64 year old conspiracy theorist during COVID, so I got great exposure to the "alternative news" sphere of UA-cam; Jimmy Dore, RT, Krystal Ball + Saagar, Convo Couch, Katie Halper, Greenwald, Grayzone etc etc. Although oddly enough he was also into the Rational National and The Humanist Report who I found a lot more grounded in reality. I got way too into the Syrian Civil War because all the conspiracies were driving me nuts. I could tell that Aaron Mate and Max Blumenthal were lying by omission and communicating overly emotionally without presenting hard evidence for their 'theories'. I got to know all the other contrarian Leftists like George Galloway, Russell Brand, Abby Martin and the Twitter accounts they focused on like Caitlyn Johnstone and Syrian Girl. Anyhow, now I'm seeing all those ass-hats who didn't give a shit about Palestinians shelled at Yarmouk nor those slaughtered at Tadamon hopping on the tide of support for Palestine. I'd see a silver lining if they actually interviewed fucking Palestinians, but they don't, just like how they never interviewed Syrians or Ukrainians. They're farming content by accosting people in public and keeping their pockets lined.
It’s such a good point to hold up human rights over right to land. One can get bogged down in disputes over „blood and soil“ forever and that is exactly what happens here. There is no turning back the clock to pre-colonial America, Palestine or Israel, for that matter. When colonization happened generations ago there is no „making it right“ anymore, just a cycle of vengeance nominally in pursuit of that goal and as we see now, that doesn’t turn out great for anyone involved, least of all those who have been colonized and disenfranchised. Leftists calling for the dissolution of Israel are in my mind complicit in creating the circumstances that will keep Palestinians on the brink of annihilation forever. Some of them may have their heart in the right place but nonetheless are so entrenched in their selective viewing of history that they end up as politically repugnant as tankies.
Reporting on the 40 dead babies is irresponsible since its source is only from one reporter and the IDF has not been able to confirm this report. But of course this claim goes viral even going so far as to say they were beheaded and of course you fall for it, LonerBox. I expected better from you. You ought to know about reading up on something before broadcasting it to your audience that now believes this claim to because you are a trusted source.
Everybody is using the hamas claims that 1000 Palestinians were killed without any doubt, and statistically it make total sense than dozens babies would have been killed, and many journalists confirm that they saw the bodies of many children in the place.
I want to get this straight in my head,are the settlements around Gaza recent(20 years) or are they from the 60's? So I can tell how disgusting is second thought being.
The villages there are not what is usually meant by settlements in the context of Israel. The kibbutz Re'im, where the festival was, was founded in 1949.
As a jew the anti semtisim on the left its always been an issue. Its why im distancing myself these days. The double standards of how the left treats jews is insane. It doesnt change anything i support but i cant stan it any longer
One thing i can respect people on the far right for is at least they are honest about their racism/antisemitism/etc. Lefties like this clearly hold as much contempt and hate in their heart but try to act virtuous and good despite saying stuff that might be crazier than shit youd hear from borderline neo nazis. Both are nut jobs of course but at least one doesnt pretend they arent
i oppose the inhumane actions of both sides. i always have and i always will. there are not "two sides", i oppose the concept that there are only two sides as i take an oppositional position to all of it. i support people who want to live in a world where people are not cruel to others and no one commits murder. those are the only people i stand with. it's 2023. it's all bad. how do people not know this. violence and murder are never the answer.
@Roniixx Israel right-wingers are just doing it long term. Plus, the Likud party is barely about to have full control over the Israeli government. I'm sure if Trump was president, they would have become more aggressive already. Even now, they could do that very thing given how Gaza is starving and about to lose supplies to its hospitals. Bear in mind, Gaza lacks electricity right now.
This is why I don't align with people. I know what ideas and beliefs I agree with. I can rethink my ideas based on new evidence, but I will never be a part of any faction, because factions aren't about ideas. They're about the people in the faction.
I do think its quite arrogant for someone sitting in a comfy chair to tell people in a hell hole like Gaza that they have to act like perfect victims.....
Ultimately people do compare israel and nazi germany too often and in somewhat anti Semitic ways but i think there are very legitimate ways you can compare gaza to like the warsaw ghetto to show other people the depths of how awful their treatment is
@@hubertino855 That happened with slavs. Red Army butchered and raped Germans as they came in. Even sank a civilian ship trying to flee and tore up the wreckage decades later. Doesn't excuse it either way.
I still don't understand what the Palestinians in Gaza are supposed to do. Why is Isael not liable for anything thats happening currently? Corraling everyone into Egypt while bombing them is not acceptable.
Firstly, they’re not corralled in Egypt, Gaza is Palestinian land. Secondly the ‘Palestinians’ aren’t doing this; Hamas is doing this is with little to no political support. They’re a violent street gang ruling a terrified population through fear and intimidation. And finally here’s something a real resistance movement would do; attack military targets and the government infrastructure that enables the occupation. Cowards and psychopaths murder civilians indiscriminately when they know full well it won’t achieve a political goal.
Noooo you don’t understand, since we are principled leftists, we are only allowed to mumble out passive hand waving “””condemnations””” of Israel. You’re literally genocidal if you don’t criticize Palestinians 30 times for every time you passively say israel hasn’t been perfect you’re literally doing genocide bro
@@pogo8050 What conditions led to Hamas being empowered enough to carry out civilian killings? Who caused those conditions? Hamas is bad! So is killing Palestinians using a problem created by Israel's complete failure to work with the people of Gaza.
@@MondayMorningLiveZ obviously that’s Israel’s behavior at large. But Israel maintain much of their support and high ground through arguing about how terrible Hamas is and Israel justifies their behavior through Hamas. It’s an optical nightmare to be tied to them and it makes every argument about Israel’s treatment of Palestinians very difficult.
Ethnically Jewish here, lived in Israel all my life. I've abbhorred what we did and are doing to Palestinians ever since I found out what's going on. I know the people living around me, they're all absolutely insane and consider Palestinians sub-human. Many of them have actively murdered Palestinians or abused them in other ways when they were in the military. All of them contributed to the crimes against the Palestinians, being part of that horrible system. Yes, I did that too and I feel horrible about it. The things that happened in the last week here are horrible and depressing, and I don't want any of it to happen anymore. I've been listening to you talk about this subject for a while now, and I've noticed you're really good at calling leftists who support the Palestinian struggle too much in your personal opinion idiots. What I haven't heard you do is actually suggest something that the Palestinians can do. Theyve been trying non-violent resistance many times, and the Israelis (and the rest of the western world) ignore them completely, and continue to oppress and slaughter them. This has been going on for *generations*. Only when their violent do anyone even start thinking or talking about them. This includes the vast majority of Israelis, to them the Palestinians just do not exist unless they're doing violent actions. You're also part of this, look at how much you're talking about this since the violence started - so if you ask what it achieves, at least it achieves that they're being talked about and not forgotten. In this situation, please can you say what the Palestinians are supposed to do? Simple question, which if you don't answer, your outrage at Hamas becomes completely hollow and entirely beside the point.
@@hazzardalsohazzard2624 OK sure blame them whatever who cares, my question was *what are the Palestinians supposed to do*. Do you have an answer or are you just able to play the blame game?
If violence is the only valid option, then attack military targets (bases, ammo depos, etc.), infrastructure (roads, electric grid, etc.), or state apparatus (police stations, government offices, etc.). NOT deliberately target civillians. Even if we put aside moral aspects of targetting civillians (which is ALWAYS bad), there are pragmatic reasons: weaker entity fighting for survival with the stronger one needs support for themselves and not for the other side. Horrific attacks on civillians and boasting about them publicaly can easily turn the public opinion against them. Especially in a situation when opposition (Izrael) has backing of most powerful country in the world. As for moral opposition to killing civillians? If we allow that and colour every civillian as a 'valid target' - we are opening doors for g***cide. And that act is plain evil. And final point: I feel really bad for Palestinians, they are majorily f***ked whatever they do, really. And they don't have many possibilities. But more people will now support Izrael's digusting and disproportional response, due to the terror attacks on civillians. Maybe one can say that they will get support from Arabic countries? But haven't they already had it earlier?
More support for more secular Palestinian organizations (like Fatah) and dump Hamas. I realize Hamas is popular but targeting civilians, whether Israeli or Palestinian is terrible. This is just a terrible condition. It would be nice if the other Arab nations didn’t treat the Palestinians like crap and accepted them with open arms. Egypt is also greatly at fault for this. Sadly no one gives a crap about Palestinians- tankies are just using this as a way to justify their stupid takes. Completely ahistorical and just a way to signal how based they are to other tankies.
In a perfect world, the Israeli people can cut out Netanyahu and his Likud coalition, find a more humane way to take care of Hamas without absolutely fucking over the general Palestinian population, and then Marshall Plan the fuck out of a NeoPalestine until it can recuperate into its own sovereign nation side-by-side with Israel. Unfortunately, this is not a perfect world. This entire hypothetical still places Palestinians at the mercy of Israel and other foreign powers because I still have no idea what Palestinians can do to get their voices heard without outside help.
I agree with everything you're saying, the slaughter of civilians can NEVER be justified, I'm very disappointed that you repeated twice the story about the 40 babies being murdered in a village, you're still saying it long after it's known to be untrue. It doesn't excuse for a second the slaughter that was carried out but exaggerating or adding lies to a story doesn't help anyone.
Maybe it passed me by but did he actually say "40 babies" or did he just say babies, because babies have absolutely been slaughtered by Hamas in this conflict
Proof that it’s untrue ? Statistically at least a dozen babies should have been killed by Hamas, some journalist confirmed seeing corpse of very young childrens.
@@jojorose1947Aye, that's the sketchy thing, eh? The 40 babies lie poisoned the well so much that Hamas is now innocent in the slaughter of any Israeli child because now similar claims will always be seen as Israeli propaganda even it can be directly proven as fact. For instance, the infant body that Quoronos called a "burnt chicken nugget".
If it bothers you I get it, can't always help what makes us uncomfortable, but he obviously uses the word to attack people being evil/intellectually dishonest. There's no ableism involved.
LB's autistic himself, and even he's gone back and forth on it. I suppose I tolerate it when the person using it is clearly using it completely outside the concept of neurodivergence. Even then, I'd personally avoid it.
LB's autistic himself, and even he's gone back and forth on it. I suppose I tolerate it when the person using it is clearly using it completely outside the concept of neurodivergence. Even then, I'd personally avoid it.
What's the difference between Zionism and white supremacy?? What's the material deference between isreal and apartheid south Africa?? Please enlighten me, dear liberal. If you support isreal you would have also supported apartheid south Africa, British east Africa and colonial India!!
We could compare Zionism and white supremacy from a purely pragmatic perspective and say that Zionism could be considered more valid because of the historical violence, oppression and existential threats the Jewish people have faced. Whereas white people have no such history and in fact constitute the majority of the population in many countries, so arguing in favour of a white ethnostate is probably mostly driven by racism. In this approach you could consider there to be a need for Zionism but not for a White ethnostate. This is similar to the debate around affirmative action/positive discrimination, those who support it would argue that while discrimination is bad in principle, the disadvantages faced by minorities are so great that some forms of discrimination are tolerated if they aim to offset those disadvantages. Another approach is to consider that Zionism isn't even inherently wrong in principle. The right to self-determination allows a people to choose their own sovereignty, and there is nothing wrong with any people whether they be Jewish or of any other ethnic, cultural or religious group wanting to have their own state.
I agree with Lonerbox on 99% of this issue. But the idea that the Jews of today are somehow connected to Jews from 2+ thousand years ago is just thoughtless. You could say they are connected to the Jews that were captive in the Roman empire as they are part of the same Christ rejecting religion. But as far as ethnicity they are Polish & Russian. I mean are we to believe 2k+ Years ago there was a group of white people in the middle of all these very brown countries? It's just baffling. Plus once you go back that many generations you would be hard pressed to find someone who can't claim Jewish ancestors.
2 incredibly important points; A: You don't know what Israeli Jews look like, many of them are visually indistinguishable from Palestinians. B: There have always been Jewish people in that region from thousands of years ago up until the founding of Israel.
@@circaenonly 1/3 of Israel’s population is ashkenazi Jews and most of them fled pogroms and from the Nazis. The rest are from other middle eastern countries and thus look very middle eastern.
You say you're against Israels actions towards Palestinians, but if the Palestinians dare to defend themselves you're against that too?! I think you need to re-evaluate what you really believe in.
You feel entitled to decide how Palestinians resist, and you deny them the right to armed resistance even though international law gives them that right. If the resistance doesn't meet your fetishised idea of liberation then you call it terrorism. If anyone is looking at this from a 'bourgeois decadent lifestyle' it's you.
Don't you feel entitled to say what auctions of Israel are unethical? Why shouldn't LonerBox say what he think is right??? Also what international law say you can go on a killing spree on civilians because it's resistance
@@laurioho2041lol Israel is not an ethnostate, it has like 20%+ Arab citizens. And most of the states in the world are kinda based on ethnic identity, with the US being a relatively rare exception
He should've had a "second thought" about becoming a political youtuber.
ST went from being a Musk stan to be a tankie, dude seems to be unable to go on without having a cult of personality.
@John-PaulHunt-pv6ol Ideology is evaluated based on the personality of one guy I don't like
The stupid thing is, Second Thought would probably be okay with Native Americans attacking him because it would alleviate his white guilt.
I don't think Second Thought is capable of feeling guilt
He obviously wouldn’t be ok with it but his entire leftism is just being as performative as possible knowing he will never actually have to experience any about of strife or violence himself
No, he would screech AF. While Tankies see themselves as being of the Left their beliefs are in the continuum of Fascistic ideology on the spectrum of Conservative ideology.
No, he has to carry on the Revolution! But if they died for the Revolution or held religious beliefs after The People's(TM) revolution, I'm sure he'd be fine with them going away like Stalin did.
nah he's a cynical operator, he's not a true believer
Even if I accept the idea that the Israeli civilians are not civilians, isn't killing unarmed 'soldiers' who have given themselves up a war crime? Isn't raping the local populace still condemnable???
war crime is not the same thing as immoral. personally, i dont think it was immoral for native americans to kill surrendered soldiers. They genocided your people... why should they be considered?
Condemnable? Sure
Is it weird to whine about it this much when Israel has been doing this on a larger scale for almost a century? Also yes.
Is it wrong to attempt to "both-sides" this genocide because of one act of résistance ? Yes
Israel is fully responsible for this attack. They created the conditions for hamas to exist
" I condemn the italian partisans for murdering Mussolini's mistress 🤓" Like bro we get it wasn't a good thing either but that's just a drop in the ocean.
If you do that, they'll pull a "US bad" card because of course.
Why is advocating for the improvement of your side such a foreign concept to these people?
@@ReySchultz121 US is indeed bad.
I just watched the report on CNN say asking the why the UN is so slow to talk about the rape of children and woman by Hamas
This content is so valuable IMO, it’s almost singlehandedly stopped me from going completely doomer on the state of the left right now and I’m sure I’m not the only one. Watching my community grieve while other people celebrate the attack has been heart-wrenching, and I really appreciate the fact that some people understand that we should never treat the brutal murder of civilians like a victory.
I assume you are neither pro Israel or Palestine?
One can be pro-Palestine and think that what Hamas are doing is absolutely outrageous. There is no excuse for this type of indiscriminate violence., rape, torture and murder. A real resistance movement would attack military targets and the levers of the state. Hamas are cowards, picking on those who can’t defend themselves.
@@mindlanderI was 75-80% pro-Israel before this, but watching the reactions of those directly involved and the far left, yeah, it’s 100% now. My mind’s made up and it’s going to take a lot to change it.
I hope youve shed 10x as many tears when israel has done 10x worse - without at least having the justification of fighting against a settler colonial state.
@@RockPile_ I drink their low-IQ Palestinian tears for thinking literal babies are fair game. They deserve oppression.
Very Ironic that a White American like second thought says that their are no civilian Isrealis
I am sure he also does not condemn native Americans for slaughtering the colonialising settlers, which is a consistent view on this.
@@mx338it doesn’t work like that because h@mas is the colonizer while jewish people are indigenous
@@wwanca3771average lonerbox watcher‘s take
@@finn8518 not a fan
but it doesn’t take a lot to know who is the colonizer and who is indigenous
you just need to know history and what inidgenity means…surely not your case
@@wwanca3771 You literally have no idea what you're talking about
their wildly inconsistent double standard on uyghur/tibetans/ukraine and Palestine disgusts me
The same ppl who want prison reform and to treat criminals better are also justifying atrocities against Israelis they consider criminals and settlers
......makes sense
Also seen a Tankie both support Hamas and say "Ukraine should give up and negotiate with Russia because they are just wasting human lives fighting for land they cannot control anyway." I mean are these people against colonialism and genocide or supporting it?
@@Extraterrestrial-Bilu"Are we the baddies?"
@@Extraterrestrial-Bilu As boner box said, they are literally just anti-west/america and support whatever is against them regardless of how hypocritical and idiotic it makes them look
How these podcasts arent getting banned for being pro terrorism is beyond me. UNIRONIC PRO TERRORISM, that blows my mind.
Meh, one man’s terrorism is another man’s freedom fighter. Pro Hamas podcasts should only be banned after Zionist ones - as zionists are literally genocidal in practice and theory.
how pro israelis arent getti g banned. for being pro terrorism is beyond me.
Ok to be fair i disagree with them but it isn't illegal for people to be pro terrorism
@@dragonslaya16Doesn't have to be illegal to violate TOS for a platform. I assume tankies are better stooges for capitalism and fascism than an average lib.
@@dragonslaya16 in Germany it is. And I'm pretty sure that you also get legal trouble in the US if you support a group of people who plot to take over power in the USA for example.
You and Dylan Burns have helped me to stay sane… thank🙏 you so much!
Oh yes. Dylan is doing a stellar job in Ukraine.
Same mate same
your Hasan impersonation is so spot on...."the material conditions bro, he comes at this from a settler colonial perspective".....how I listened to that dude for almost 2 years is a personal failing to me. this left tankie problem is infuriating....glad there are still sane lefties out here like you. please continue streaming man, you're doing a great job
It's not your fault, they 100% try to lure you in with good domestic policy with sound backing, then when they hit you with an insane Tankie position you feel conflicted and like you obviously have to be in the wrong, because this lefty you look up to wouldn't suddenly be wrong.
The main difference between him and second thought is that Hasan is too stupid to hide his psychotic Tankie positions on a second channel or podcast.
Be proud that when the con finally came to fruition you didn't fold like all the spineless freaks that are cheering him on.
lifelong lefties seeing the left go mask off and starting to wake up - yes it's tough. i went thru it. i was a leftie for decades. then i saw them go mask off over something no decent human being would think is okay and for me, it was like leaving a cult. now i cant believe half the dangerous craziness the left espouses. i'm not right now... it's just that i'm not left. it's disorienting at first!
In the early day's Hassan basically parroted Bernie's domestic American takes, so he wasn't really that bad. That how we all ended up watching him.
Israelis are settler colonists
It's interesting to see how people on the left can often sound like Henry Kissinger.
It was an anti war festival too. Heard an interview with one of the organisers that said that he felt the pain of the Palestinians.
Guess this wont exactly encourage more initiatives of the same type 😥
That's kinda like the nazis having a "jewish solidarity party" right outside Auschwitz...
Yeah you know who they killed I think one of the most premium anti-israel government pro-palestine Pro peace activists there is in Israel she was in her 60s I believe
Israelis don't have a historical right to Israel too. Real owner is my ancestor Grog the Skullcrusher, whose tribe arrived at Israel in 100 000 BC. Let's get land back!
Ugh, typical speciesist. Israel belongs to the first life to develop from the primordial ooze.
Israelis dont exist
@@laurioho2041nazi rhetoric
@@pogo8050 israelis engage in nazi like behaviour
They are Tankies. What do you expect from fascists with red in their flag? Good takes on civilian deaths? (edit: I mean, they are literally called Tankies and there is a reason for this)
They were bad with the RussoUkrainian War takes saying that they deserved it because they were nazis.
Are the Palestinians more fascist? Or Israel?
@@mindlander
If you are talking about the governments, the answer to which is more fascist is yes
@@jloiben12 agreed. A religious war is fascist by definition, as God is a dictator to all.
@@mindlander This is about civilian deaths. Not Palestinians or Israelis specifically. Normal people deplore civilian deaths. Fascists view them as a means to an end.
This is horseshoe theory in overdrive
It has been brewing for a while, the last year it has gone into overdrive.
"I can be WAY more racist than you!" ~ Infrared Haz
How? Nothing about considering Israelis as non-civilians is in any way right wing. This is just a niche flaw of a certain strain of leftist thought.
That Hasan impression was on point! 😂
Finally, a sane take on everything. I consider myself to be more towards the left but I started to really question some people on the far left when they started calling Putin a nazi killer like his decision to invade the Ukraine was something righteous. When the festival goers where attacked and kidnapped, I saw people on the left cheering for what Hamas did. I just don't understand how someone can make these types of statements in earnest.
Same. Feels so good to see a sane take during a time I was getting blackpilled into the idea that left/right no one actually fucking cares
@@purpleblastoiseMost Israeli Jews are from the Middle East
How are you the only youtuber capable of nuanced thought. I applaud you for not only condemning the evil shit going on in the left, but at the same time, not letting that compromise your core beliefs and morals.
Hakeem? More like Hakunt
Not warm enough or with enough depth. Plus, not pro-baby enough.
Am I the only one that remembers the old video Second Thought had on feminism being bad? How did he go from being so right wing to so left wing
Im so glad i was historically literate before i was politically literate, because its the lack of the former that helps ST to turn people into tankies. He conditions you with his politics, and then he twists, omits or outright lies about historical facts thst he then uses to support he's arguments.
Simple, he didn't.
He moved to the right. That’s how he’s so for a theocratic fascist terrorist group and the CCP, which is a literal imperial power
@@swanstarr1441and you call yourselves leftists 🤡🤡🤡
he went from being a musk stan to being a tankie, i'm still wondering why would he need to have some sort of idol, or dare i say, a cult of personality.
Babies out here doing settler colonialism.
Thank god I never got that into Second Thought
Same. I liked some of his capitalism critique videos, but I quickly realized what he was about. He also massively hides his political power level as well.
@@kev792isnt he also extremely wealthy? Ive heard he flaunts multiple supercars which is disgustingly hypocritical given his claimed stances.😊
@@joshuayung5158 Yep. Massively wealthy. These people’s extreme political beliefs are an esthetic or a shiny badge they get to show their friends. They don’t do anything to push their beliefs in a meaningful way like soc Dems or progressives do. They just larp online all day
He has rich parents too, he’s always been a super privileged white kid.
@@kev792 what was the giveaway in your opinion?
really been enjoying streams, thanks for giving a nuanced or balanced take
tbh what i learned from all this stuff is that Israeli ppl wanna commit a genocide now on gaza and muslims also wanna do the same thing and both sides want us to pick a side and pretend genocide is cool or something both sides suck
Hamas doesn't represent every Palestinian, and the Israeli government doesn't represent all Israelis. There are sane, normal people on both sides and awful terrorists on both sides.
Because when it comes to religion then everything is permitted. You cannot reason with something they deem above the law, it cannot be bargained with or negotiated.
Because both are so deeply rooted in their beliefs , whoever has the power to the land will treat the other the same way.
The only way to deal with this is intervention splitting it into 2 states from a third party and making it strict that neither gets their “holy land.”
To recognize that warfare is sometimes a necessary evil is one thing. To fail to recognize it as an evil at all is something else again.
"Do you think Hamas has taken civilians? I don't care." Wtaf
Again, why is it such a foreign concept to condemn the IDF and Hamas here?
@@ReySchultz121 The honest answer is that holding both of these opinions in your head at the same time seems contradictory because Hamas and IDF are directly opposed to one another, and also that it appears like there is a lot more condemnation of Hamas than there is of the IDF so condemning Hamas feels like giving into the status quo. I'm not saying that's a good reason for doing it, but that is why they do it (if you really wanted to understand the perspective of online radicals, as someone who used to hang around them).
@@emilysort What made you leave?
@@ReySchultz121 I left spaces with nothing but LARPers and violent people with no common sense, but i'm still very much on the left. I just learned a lot more about politics and realised many of them are hurting the movement.
FYI second thought privateed the podcast that clip is from 💀
Holy shit that azan imitation at the end was on point lmao
"Decolonise yourself"
- Lonerbox, 2023
This was absolutely mental dude holy crap
Having seen Ethan taking about this issue on the H3 podcast. Leftovers is gonna be really interesting this week.
Oh boi watched the thumbnail and I’m ready for a wild ride
I used to watch BE's vids quite a bit. His actual researched and scripted vids. They were really informative and I liked them a lot. I remember a vid of his where he attacks streamers and said that he would never stream. Now that's all he does and we get to look in confusion at the raw, unedited side of BE and regret ever watching his content. Granted, his Twitter accounts ("BE" also stands for "Ban Evasion") should've been red flags, but I didn't use Twitter that much back then.
BE is not a smart person, he's literally just Vaush but for people who think dekulakisation was poggers.
@@PlatinumAltaria I know that now. I'm sad, angry, and embarrassed over the whole thing.
@@PlatinumAltariaVaush is like the polar opposite of Badempanada lol
@@hadronoftheseus8829 Being called unintelligent by a tankie is kinda like being called unintelligent by a flat earther.
@@PlatinumAltaria "he's literally just vaush..." ah yeah, about that... i never recall Vaush telling his audience to brigade and harass others for slightly disagreeing with him.
Also, that Hadron of Theseus person never liked BE lmao.
I like how LonerBox's pisstake impression of Hasan still floundered and struggled less than actual Hasan would
Loner called the Ethan/Hasan interaction almost 100% accurately.
great stuff dude!!!!
Based off the bat. Thank you
An interesting/kind-of tragic thing is that the whole anti-semitic Khazar myth was originated by a Jewish author, Arthur Koestler (a pretty colorful character), who suggested it in the (IMO, completely misguided) belief that anti-semitism would not survive decoupling present-day Jews from being "Christ-killers."
Empathy and intelligence! 🤠💜
To see people I really looked up to like Hakim, Second Thought and Hassan come out with these absolutely disgusting opinions has made me completely reevaluate why I valued their opinions in the first place.
Why did u look up to them?? Hakim have been simping for Stalin and Mao???
I've always been unapologetically Leftist, but I find myself more and more having to offer general constructive criticism to my fellow Leftoids. I lived with a 64 year old conspiracy theorist during COVID, so I got great exposure to the "alternative news" sphere of UA-cam; Jimmy Dore, RT, Krystal Ball + Saagar, Convo Couch, Katie Halper, Greenwald, Grayzone etc etc. Although oddly enough he was also into the Rational National and The Humanist Report who I found a lot more grounded in reality. I got way too into the Syrian Civil War because all the conspiracies were driving me nuts. I could tell that Aaron Mate and Max Blumenthal were lying by omission and communicating overly emotionally without presenting hard evidence for their 'theories'. I got to know all the other contrarian Leftists like George Galloway, Russell Brand, Abby Martin and the Twitter accounts they focused on like Caitlyn Johnstone and Syrian Girl.
Anyhow, now I'm seeing all those ass-hats who didn't give a shit about Palestinians shelled at Yarmouk nor those slaughtered at Tadamon hopping on the tide of support for Palestine. I'd see a silver lining if they actually interviewed fucking Palestinians, but they don't, just like how they never interviewed Syrians or Ukrainians. They're farming content by accosting people in public and keeping their pockets lined.
I think second thought would agree he also is an occupier in the same sense
7:10 to see the Vaush bridge remains intact
to be fair their disagreements seem to be about the semantics of the word "genocide" in context of anti trans rhetoric in Vaushland.
@@alrecks619 I see how LB could see that as a hyperbole
This man has a lot of violent fantasies about the Deprogram hosts, borderline breaking the terms of service. That’s not normal.
"Did the 40 babies do that?" - I don't know, man. Khazar babies can be mean.
Of course
OPEN SEASON ON BADEMP, THE COLONIZER HAS SPOKEN
Also, even if they were all criminals, is that acceptbale behaviour to mete on criminals?
So we are just supposed to lay down and accept it
@@laurioho2041 there is a huge gradient between what Hamas did and only "laying down"
@@laurioho2041 definitely dont slaughter civilians like a bunch of rabid animals, basically makes people not care what Israel does in retaliation
@@laurioho2041the right to resist is not a license to commit war crimes.
It’s such a good point to hold up human rights over right to land. One can get bogged down in disputes over „blood and soil“ forever and that is exactly what happens here.
There is no turning back the clock to pre-colonial America, Palestine or Israel, for that matter. When colonization happened generations ago there is no „making it right“ anymore, just a cycle of vengeance nominally in pursuit of that goal and as we see now, that doesn’t turn out great for anyone involved, least of all those who have been colonized and disenfranchised.
Leftists calling for the dissolution of Israel are in my mind complicit in creating the circumstances that will keep Palestinians on the brink of annihilation forever. Some of them may have their heart in the right place but nonetheless are so entrenched in their selective viewing of history that they end up as politically repugnant as tankies.
Reporting on the 40 dead babies is irresponsible since its source is only from one reporter and the IDF has not been able to confirm this report. But of course this claim goes viral even going so far as to say they were beheaded and of course you fall for it, LonerBox. I expected better from you. You ought to know about reading up on something before broadcasting it to your audience that now believes this claim to because you are a trusted source.
Everybody is using the hamas claims that 1000 Palestinians were killed without any doubt, and statistically it make total sense than dozens babies would have been killed, and many journalists confirm that they saw the bodies of many children in the place.
I wonder how many babies have been blown up by Israeli terror bombing... I guess we don't care about those.
Atleast we know there's a high chance he's wrong and this is a minor setback.
what do you expect from this grifter
Let's gooooo
Nailed the Hasan part 😂
Crimea is part of Russia-hasan
I want to get this straight in my head,are the settlements around Gaza recent(20 years) or are they from the 60's? So I can tell how disgusting is second thought being.
The villages there are not what is usually meant by settlements in the context of Israel. The kibbutz Re'im, where the festival was, was founded in 1949.
@@1Apep1 if second thought was in Germany he would have been arrested for that statement. Desgusting!
The settlements that were attacked are not even on Palestinian land if you consider the first UN partition legitimate.
It doesn't matter. Even if that colony had been established yesterday, killing and kidnapping civilians is not okay.
@@ziwuri agreed,I just wanted to gage the level of insanity and derangement of second thought.
24:03 how sad, that's exactly something Hasan would say
As a jew the anti semtisim on the left its always been an issue. Its why im distancing myself these days. The double standards of how the left treats jews is insane. It doesnt change anything i support but i cant stan it any longer
One thing i can respect people on the far right for is at least they are honest about their racism/antisemitism/etc. Lefties like this clearly hold as much contempt and hate in their heart but try to act virtuous and good despite saying stuff that might be crazier than shit youd hear from borderline neo nazis. Both are nut jobs of course but at least one doesnt pretend they arent
i oppose the inhumane actions of both sides. i always have and i always will. there are not "two sides", i oppose the concept that there are only two sides as i take an oppositional position to all of it. i support people who want to live in a world where people are not cruel to others and no one commits murder. those are the only people i stand with.
it's 2023. it's all bad. how do people not know this. violence and murder are never the answer.
I think most of these commentators (on both sides) are low information on this conflict (and most others).
I'm so disappointed in these guys. I honestly don't know what I was expecting
@@purpleblastoiseyou are not a revolutionary. you are a larper, get back to work
nah its pretty on brand
The Israeli government and Hamas have the exact same ideology. I don't understand how people don't get that they're the same.
From the river to the sea - both governments
@Roniixx Israel right-wingers are just doing it long term. Plus, the Likud party is barely about to have full control over the Israeli government. I'm sure if Trump was president, they would have become more aggressive already. Even now, they could do that very thing given how Gaza is starving and about to lose supplies to its hospitals. Bear in mind, Gaza lacks electricity right now.
This is why I don't align with people. I know what ideas and beliefs I agree with. I can rethink my ideas based on new evidence, but I will never be a part of any faction, because factions aren't about ideas. They're about the people in the faction.
I do think its quite arrogant for someone sitting in a comfy chair to tell people in a hell hole like Gaza that they have to act like perfect victims.....
Ultimately people do compare israel and nazi germany too often and in somewhat anti Semitic ways but i think there are very legitimate ways you can compare gaza to like the warsaw ghetto to show other people the depths of how awful their treatment is
My man problem is in Warsaw Ghetto uprising civilian Germans weren't slaughtered by Jews in hundreds...
@@hubertino855 That happened with slavs. Red Army butchered and raped Germans as they came in. Even sank a civilian ship trying to flee and tore up the wreckage decades later. Doesn't excuse it either way.
You don't know anything about Warsaw ghetto if you compare it to Gaza.
@@bambina5604 with what has happened in the last few hours it's going to be more like vilnus
I still don't understand what the Palestinians in Gaza are supposed to do. Why is Isael not liable for anything thats happening currently? Corraling everyone into Egypt while bombing them is not acceptable.
Firstly, they’re not corralled in Egypt, Gaza is Palestinian land.
Secondly the ‘Palestinians’ aren’t doing this; Hamas is doing this is with little to no political support. They’re a violent street gang ruling a terrified population through fear and intimidation.
And finally here’s something a real resistance movement would do; attack military targets and the government infrastructure that enables the occupation. Cowards and psychopaths murder civilians indiscriminately when they know full well it won’t achieve a political goal.
Noooo you don’t understand, since we are principled leftists, we are only allowed to mumble out passive hand waving “””condemnations””” of Israel. You’re literally genocidal if you don’t criticize Palestinians 30 times for every time you passively say israel hasn’t been perfect you’re literally doing genocide bro
Killing civilians is probably the absolute worst thing you can do , if you want to be pragmatic about it
@@pogo8050 What conditions led to Hamas being empowered enough to carry out civilian killings? Who caused those conditions? Hamas is bad! So is killing Palestinians using a problem created by Israel's complete failure to work with the people of Gaza.
@@MondayMorningLiveZ obviously that’s Israel’s behavior at large. But Israel maintain much of their support and high ground through arguing about how terrible Hamas is and Israel justifies their behavior through Hamas. It’s an optical nightmare to be tied to them and it makes every argument about Israel’s treatment of Palestinians very difficult.
Ethnically Jewish here, lived in Israel all my life. I've abbhorred what we did and are doing to Palestinians ever since I found out what's going on.
I know the people living around me, they're all absolutely insane and consider Palestinians sub-human. Many of them have actively murdered Palestinians or abused them in other ways when they were in the military. All of them contributed to the crimes against the Palestinians, being part of that horrible system. Yes, I did that too and I feel horrible about it.
The things that happened in the last week here are horrible and depressing, and I don't want any of it to happen anymore.
I've been listening to you talk about this subject for a while now, and I've noticed you're really good at calling leftists who support the Palestinian struggle too much in your personal opinion idiots. What I haven't heard you do is actually suggest something that the Palestinians can do.
Theyve been trying non-violent resistance many times, and the Israelis (and the rest of the western world) ignore them completely, and continue to oppress and slaughter them. This has been going on for *generations*.
Only when their violent do anyone even start thinking or talking about them. This includes the vast majority of Israelis, to them the Palestinians just do not exist unless they're doing violent actions. You're also part of this, look at how much you're talking about this since the violence started - so if you ask what it achieves, at least it achieves that they're being talked about and not forgotten.
In this situation, please can you say what the Palestinians are supposed to do? Simple question, which if you don't answer, your outrage at Hamas becomes completely hollow and entirely beside the point.
I can still blame Hamas for targeting civilians and using human shields.
@@hazzardalsohazzard2624 OK sure blame them whatever who cares, my question was *what are the Palestinians supposed to do*. Do you have an answer or are you just able to play the blame game?
If violence is the only valid option, then attack military targets (bases, ammo depos, etc.), infrastructure (roads, electric grid, etc.), or state apparatus (police stations, government offices, etc.). NOT deliberately target civillians.
Even if we put aside moral aspects of targetting civillians (which is ALWAYS bad), there are pragmatic reasons: weaker entity fighting for survival with the stronger one needs support for themselves and not for the other side. Horrific attacks on civillians and boasting about them publicaly can easily turn the public opinion against them. Especially in a situation when opposition (Izrael) has backing of most powerful country in the world.
As for moral opposition to killing civillians? If we allow that and colour every civillian as a 'valid target' - we are opening doors for g***cide. And that act is plain evil.
And final point: I feel really bad for Palestinians, they are majorily f***ked whatever they do, really. And they don't have many possibilities. But more people will now support Izrael's digusting and disproportional response, due to the terror attacks on civillians. Maybe one can say that they will get support from Arabic countries? But haven't they already had it earlier?
More support for more secular Palestinian organizations (like Fatah) and dump Hamas. I realize Hamas is popular but targeting civilians, whether Israeli or Palestinian is terrible. This is just a terrible condition. It would be nice if the other Arab nations didn’t treat the Palestinians like crap and accepted them with open arms. Egypt is also greatly at fault for this. Sadly no one gives a crap about Palestinians- tankies are just using this as a way to justify their stupid takes. Completely ahistorical and just a way to signal how based they are to other tankies.
In a perfect world, the Israeli people can cut out Netanyahu and his Likud coalition, find a more humane way to take care of Hamas without absolutely fucking over the general Palestinian population, and then Marshall Plan the fuck out of a NeoPalestine until it can recuperate into its own sovereign nation side-by-side with Israel.
Unfortunately, this is not a perfect world. This entire hypothetical still places Palestinians at the mercy of Israel and other foreign powers because I still have no idea what Palestinians can do to get their voices heard without outside help.
I agree with everything you're saying, the slaughter of civilians can NEVER be justified, I'm very disappointed that you repeated twice the story about the 40 babies being murdered in a village, you're still saying it long after it's known to be untrue. It doesn't excuse for a second the slaughter that was carried out but exaggerating or adding lies to a story doesn't help anyone.
It's untrue? What's your source?
Maybe it passed me by but did he actually say "40 babies" or did he just say babies, because babies have absolutely been slaughtered by Hamas in this conflict
@@jojorose1947 he said forty babies.
Proof that it’s untrue ? Statistically at least a dozen babies should have been killed by Hamas, some journalist confirmed seeing corpse of very young childrens.
@@jojorose1947Aye, that's the sketchy thing, eh? The 40 babies lie poisoned the well so much that Hamas is now innocent in the slaughter of any Israeli child because now similar claims will always be seen as Israeli propaganda even it can be directly proven as fact.
For instance, the infant body that Quoronos called a "burnt chicken nugget".
This video aged like milk
Why?
@@purpleblastoise wow, buzzwords. you said buzzwords so you win
in what way dude lmfao saying civilians should die was bad then and is still bad
I know it seems especially trivial given the context, but I really can't with these r slurs in every single goddamn LBL video (at least recently).
Man he's got the tism, so the words thrown at him a lot, surely he can use it.
@@antlerman7644 Trying to be a non-autistic Socialist challenge (0% have achieved this).
Soy
If it bothers you I get it, can't always help what makes us uncomfortable, but he obviously uses the word to attack people being evil/intellectually dishonest. There's no ableism involved.
LB's autistic himself, and even he's gone back and forth on it. I suppose I tolerate it when the person using it is clearly using it completely outside the concept of neurodivergence. Even then, I'd personally avoid it.
I thought dropping the R slur wasn’t acceptable publicly anymore?
As with all terms it's a completely vibe based process, Loner Box clearly can say it.
He's a destiny orbiter what do you expect other than r slurs and defence of ethnostates
Retard is a naughty word?
LB's autistic himself, and even he's gone back and forth on it. I suppose I tolerate it when the person using it is clearly using it completely outside the concept of neurodivergence. Even then, I'd personally avoid it.
@@killerskiely100 ok that makes sense now
What's the difference between Zionism and white supremacy?? What's the material deference between isreal and apartheid south Africa?? Please enlighten me, dear liberal.
If you support isreal you would have also supported apartheid south Africa, British east Africa and colonial India!!
What is wrong with you
@@bambina5604 what's wrong with lonerbox?
We could compare Zionism and white supremacy from a purely pragmatic perspective and say that Zionism could be considered more valid because of the historical violence, oppression and existential threats the Jewish people have faced. Whereas white people have no such history and in fact constitute the majority of the population in many countries, so arguing in favour of a white ethnostate is probably mostly driven by racism. In this approach you could consider there to be a need for Zionism but not for a White ethnostate. This is similar to the debate around affirmative action/positive discrimination, those who support it would argue that while discrimination is bad in principle, the disadvantages faced by minorities are so great that some forms of discrimination are tolerated if they aim to offset those disadvantages.
Another approach is to consider that Zionism isn't even inherently wrong in principle. The right to self-determination allows a people to choose their own sovereignty, and there is nothing wrong with any people whether they be Jewish or of any other ethnic, cultural or religious group wanting to have their own state.
@@antidote4870supremely based comment.
@@antidote4870 tbh self determination in it of itself isn't wrong, but self determination by ignoring other's rights is problematic to say the least
I agree with Lonerbox on 99% of this issue. But the idea that the Jews of today are somehow connected to Jews from 2+ thousand years ago is just thoughtless. You could say they are connected to the Jews that were captive in the Roman empire as they are part of the same Christ rejecting religion. But as far as ethnicity they are Polish & Russian.
I mean are we to believe 2k+ Years ago there was a group of white people in the middle of all these very brown countries? It's just baffling. Plus once you go back that many generations you would be hard pressed to find someone who can't claim Jewish ancestors.
2 incredibly important points; A: You don't know what Israeli Jews look like, many of them are visually indistinguishable from Palestinians. B: There have always been Jewish people in that region from thousands of years ago up until the founding of Israel.
@@jojorose1947 I know they would not be white wearing late 1800's Polish garb.
@@circaenonly 1/3 of Israel’s population is ashkenazi Jews and most of them fled pogroms and from the Nazis. The rest are from other middle eastern countries and thus look very middle eastern.
Most israelian are not white…
The idea that eurotrash are connected to a place in the middle east where they get more skin cancers than where they came from is laughable
You say you're against Israels actions towards Palestinians, but if the Palestinians dare to defend themselves you're against that too?!
I think you need to re-evaluate what you really believe in.
You feel entitled to decide how Palestinians resist, and you deny them the right to armed resistance even though international law gives them that right.
If the resistance doesn't meet your fetishised idea of liberation then you call it terrorism.
If anyone is looking at this from a 'bourgeois decadent lifestyle' it's you.
You don’t have to write three sentences to say you’re stupid, be more efficient.
Don't you feel entitled to say what auctions of Israel are unethical? Why shouldn't LonerBox say what he think is right??? Also what international law say you can go on a killing spree on civilians because it's resistance
from the river to the sea
Please debate Vaush, he is very ignorant
Sure I'm going to listen to the guy who defended Israel being an ethnostate while they clearly are occupied land
@@hadronoftheseus8829badempanada is 100% correct
@@hadronoftheseus8829 What argument? That ethnostates are bad.
@@laurioho2041lol Israel is not an ethnostate, it has like 20%+ Arab citizens. And most of the states in the world are kinda based on ethnic identity, with the US being a relatively rare exception
@@laurioho2041 ur a nut