"why would we help somebody on the other side of the world?" I love that the guy who came on to cry about the supposed nationalism in Ukraine is flagrantly and unapologetically a nationalist lmao.
It is also kind of funny from the perspective of ideological history, since early 19th century nationalists like Giuseppe Garibaldi would say "yes, we should."
Also, according to this logic, we should not be doing anything about Nazis in other countries...I really think he's just trying to find excuses not to support Ukraine, whether it's Nazis, "they asked for it" or "why should I care".
@@kasane1337 He's literally just a dumb tankie who post hoc defends China and Russia. This guy's argument eventually boiled down to "nationalism = nazism", which is pure dogshit.
Poland under 7 years of Soviet occupation: Est. 150.000 people dead due to direct actions by the occupying forces. Several mass killing events including the Katyn massacre. Widespread rapes and arbitrary arrests of Polish citizens, with over half a million Poles sent to prison within the first two years. Between 300.000 and 1.000.000 Polish people forcefully deported to Siberia. The Road of Bones is built on the corpses of hundreds of thousands of slave workers, a large portion of them Polish nationals. But according to this person, anybody who protested against the Soviet occupation is a Nazi collaborator.
Also thinks it's illegal to talk about collaboration with the Nazis in Poland, which is simply not true. Every single one of us accepts that there was collaboration on an individual level, there are bad people everywhere but it is consider a defamation to say that Polish state collaborated with Nazis with their final solution. Also very unliked phrase "polish death camps" is considered such defamation as Poles didn't have anything to do with setting them up and their operations. This law while controversial because it might be considered a barrier to open discussion is still aimed to prevent open statements about institutionalized collaboration as there were many instances when people from the west who were more or less ignorant thought that Poles were responsible for holocaust.
@afgncap the idiot from the video conveniently forgets poland is a democracy too. Even if that were true, such a law could easily be repealed if the will was amassed.
As someone from Baltics it's always extremely cringy to hear people speak about their idea of how Baltics treat WW2 history or WW2 history itself. Even the biggest Nazi apologist in Baltics is not on 10% level as this dude is simping for Soviets and now Russia.
@MCADHD666 VOL2 In our very patriotic history class we were taught that Eastern front was so messy it wasn't uncommon to forge temporary tentative arrangaments between Polish underground army or militia with Wehrmacht forces, communists, and even sometimes with Ukrainians. Those agreements weren't based on common ideologies. When in one aera there're around 3 armies + various militia forces it's normal cooperate with one side for a battle or two And obviously it's worth noting that for Soviets everyone politically or militarily active but who didn't like USSR was a literal n@zi. Even the guy let himself to be taken into concentration camp in order to do some spying for allies - he also was a n@zi
This. Went to latvia, met an old woman which was very happy to hear people speak German. My grandfather was also born there, he told me a lot about this time. Essentially in the beginning a lot of people hoped for a chance of getting rid of the reds who fucked over their country but where quickly desillusioned by seeing that they just swapped pest for cholera. Getting the reds back (and beeing punished for 'collaborating') made them remembering the German occupation in a slightly better light. But in the end there probably wasnt too much of a difference in how they regarded the value of a human life in comparison to their 'greater goals'. Also about antisemitism: half of the fucking world was super antisemitic for modern Standards (and probably would be still if it wasnt for the Holocaust). Hitler himself had a faaar greater hate for jews then 'normal' antisemitics - probably got that in the 20s when he was still in Austria - and a terrifiying thought about it is the following: Hitler probably would have succeded with his plans, if it wasnt for his extreme and genocidal hatred for jews. A quote from Churchill (about Hitler): Antisemitism is a good starter but a bad sticker.
@@Fulloffcoce also, it's quite straightforward, in Baltics Nazis are a "ww2 history", meanwhile Soviets occupied up until 90's. So most people lived through it. That on itself makes it more of a sore spot (duh?). Anyway, outside of that, we learn a lot in regular school history lessons about your usual stuff, then about Nazi collaborators and such. No one is sweeping anything under the rug, historical figures that had collaborated with Nazis had been removed from the streets etc. Outside of actual neo nazis, there is absolutely no sympathy for nazism in regular population. As I said, at "worst" it's just "WW2 thing, so don't care".
@@TwistedElegance unfortunaly living through dire times and hardshipt doesnt cure people from all the nonsensical hatred they can have for minoritys gays etc. Sometimes i think people rather tend to feel right to be injust to others because they themself lifed through injustice. On a personal level i can see myself doing that too sometimes. Thats also why i despise the ideologic justification of one kind of injustice over another..
As someone whose family grew up in a Russian regime, thank you for the work you're doing. That being said, I just think it's pointless arguing with these people, tankies are pretty much a cult at this point, I was in a group that was taken over by them and they were discussing stuff like whether children of the rich should be ex*cuted too when the revolution comes. Something has to fundamentally change in their life for them to get better.
I can understand the idea of killing royal babies because, no matter how horrid the idea is, this is the best way of definitely ending monarchy. The idea of monarchy is that certain families are inherently predisposed to be rulers. So no matter how you raise a royal baby they'll always be royal in the eyes of monarchists. When it comes to weathy people there's no such belief. Apparently everyone can become rich or poor depending on their hard work, good choices and not eating avocado toasts. There're no bourgeoisie supporters who would give millions of dollars to a random guy because their parents were once rich So even in the context a of very bloody revolution there's no reason to kill children of wealthy people. And I really want to believe that (at least in Europe) there's no need for killing royals in order to end their reign
@@angelikaskoroszyn8495 I dunno, maybe all of the Mussolini line should've concluded like Benito, most of the grandkids embraced their Facist leader ideals like a public Mafia family, and they're almost back in power again like a bad dream.
@@angelikaskoroszyn8495 It's a slippery slope because even if you look at it from a objective outlook and leave morality out of it, it's not just going to be a few royal babies you have to kill. For countries that have existed for hundreds of years, there are many, many people with ties to nobility and royalty, you have to slaughter a swathe of the population of you wanted to be thorough and even then, no monarchist is just going to give up because you killed every royal, they're attached to the idea of monarchy, not one person in particular. They'll easily produce a pretender and use the brutal nobility genocide as a way to discredit your cause and galvanize people against your anti-monarchy ideals. Just look at what happened to Haiti, on one you could argue they're killing of the White French elite on the island was justified due to that population's strong resistance to the slave revolution, but killing them just tarnished the revolution in the eyes of everyone else and made the former slaves the bad guys. If they had played the Spanish and French against each other, they could have negotiated a better deal or been under the protection of the Spanish.
I too got 14 minutes and realized this kid treats Ukraine's future like its a custody battle from a daggy, under-paid father (Russia), and some high-powered career woman who doesn't care (The West), instead of a country with its own people and sovereignty
@@Eyclonus we don't care SO MUCH we've sent them over 90 billion dollars of "aid". But apparently the homeless situation and student debt is too expensive. If you look at this war in any way besides funding the military industrial complex you're delusional at worst and sympathetically dull at best
@@hadronoftheseus8829 Ever been in places that are obviously overrun with paid kremlin trolls? they're REAL REAL bad at their jobs and from what i understand mostly teenagers and really young college students who get paid virtually nothing.
If European nationalism makes you a nazi, then according to this guy´s stance, the current Russian regime - highly nationalistic, chauvinistic and irredentist - is also nazi (Russia is still part of Europe), yet he is just spewing all the RT/Sputnik talking points.
If I recall correctly, on Vaush’s stream he claimed that China can’t be nationalist because it says in China’s constitution that it’s a multiethnic state. I think he claimed the same for Russia.
@andydyer6591 not multi-ethnic even, just that it recognises the existence of a few languages other than han chinese. Its absolutely insane and they still heavily neglect those languages while subduing languages they claim to be fake.
I think this conversation made me realise that Americans don't understand how parliamentary republics work. Prime Ministers are selected by the parliament, it's not something you directly vote on, instead you vote for your local member of parliament. In this case it was the Ukranian parliament who appointed Yatsenyuk as an interim Prime Minister in the wake of Yanukovych fleeing, specifically with the goal of organising new elections.
I love lonerboxes debate style, in the past he has been too charitable looking up examples (perhaps he was less prepared ). I appreciate that he debates deranged people. I think it is in the venerable vain of the BBC tough talk. keep up your poise, "we can't all be experts" cheers
Frankly, this guy is a very boring subject for a debate. All he does is interrupt and disagree all the time, so it sort of boils down into a Monty Python sketch. There is no reason to debate him, nothing will be examined or debated.
@@Keltik0ne To be fair, I've never seen LonerBox being this aggressive so you could at least say he wasn't gentle by his normal standards. But yeah, going harder would have been better
I am calling this kid Super Soydier from now on. He does one thing, and does it better than anyone. Edit: wait... "I know you're like 20..." is this not a teenager? There is no way this lil' homie isn't making fun of Loner for being old, right? There is no way this isn't a 17yo Twitter tankie, right?
Which is insane to think right? Like you'd think words like this would carry everywhere, and make him a complete outcast in his community, even ACAB people would be freaked about it
that's actually a well established meme at this point, lol. He didn't "hide for weeks" he was reported to be somber and didn't interact with many people for like a day, then got to work trying to scramble a defensive line together. People like you who just repeat historical falsehoodds ad nauseam are so annoying. This characterization of Stalin as some nervous weakling sounds like something the Wehrmacht would dream up after the war was over, lmao.
I can picture him holed up in some bunker all alone jst drinking vodka and sobbing & muttering shit to himself like "why....WHY did they do this?! We were partners. I gave them EVERYTHING they ever wanted & needed. I made it possible for them to seize half of Poland, & do as they'd dreamed of doing! I thought we had a real connection, & hoped we'd become true allies. Oh Adolph why, WHHHYYYYY did you betray me this waaaaaay?!?!?!" [more gasping sobs, and a big sniffle] 😆😆😆😆😉
@@LittleDesertFlower78 lmao of course he did. To be a dictator with a cult of personality any slights against you in that way must be ruinous for your ego😄
He went into hiding but it wasn’t because he was shocked it was because of how much he lost in the first three months against the nazis. It was anticipated that the two powers would eventually collide, the nazis were known for their hatred of communists especially after what the freikorps did
IT'S THIS KIIDDD!!!! LET'S GOOOOO! XD Someone, PLEASE link/reference the prior debate. This kid is just funny enough to be entertaining, but not enough to remember what he did.
HAHA I FOUND THE DYLAN DEBATE ua-cam.com/video/k1RDMlH8Pxw/v-deo.html I was easy to recognize sence the Thumbnail said "PLEASE SHUT UP" and in the preview just said "SHUT THE FUCK UP!" And this fucking guy cant stop talking
30:16 the funniest thing about that is that Medvedchuk's (Pro-russian leader in ukraine, good friend of Putin) own father was not only a Bandera supporter, he was the regional head of the nazi ministry for deportation of slavs to german factories.
So THAT'S what a really hardcore tankie is like. Makes Haz 'n' Hinkle seem like pikers. Good to know that Stalin's non-aggression pact with Hitler and the Sov invasion of Poland in WWII was all part of Stalin's sneaky 6D chess game.
ironically, if you try to debate a ruzzian on chatroulette you will feel the same vibe -- constant interrupting, jumping between topics when they ask YOU a question and the only difference is that the ruzkies will start talking about homosexuality out of nowhere
hey! Ukrainian here. First of all - thank you for being so adequate and cool. Secondly, 15:56 - YOU pronounced it correctly, in Ukrainian manner. In Ukrainian it's pronounced as "luGansk". So yeah, you did great, and f*** this guy who debated..., whoever he is, i wish him only to move to russia and stay there. forever.
@@vanyabalabol yes, but he pronounced it like UKRAINIAN. I watched plenty of lonerbox videos and he tends to check and pronounce names as locals do, which is great. The guy he debated speaks Ukrainian too i believe so he should have known that pronunciation was correct. There was no point in being judgmental but that seems to be the nature of that guy..
@@vanyabalabol he pronounces it more like Кіїв, like the rest of cool English speaking people, I believe that the combination of иї is too hard to pronounce for them
@@vanyabalabol please post it into the google translator and ask it to read it: Я з Луганської області, you will hear the "G" clearly in there. Ther main difference of pronouncing this city name between two languages is not in a G/H part, but in soft 's' in the end (Ukranian)
The amount of patience Loner had with this guy going over his arguments only to have his own points constantly laughed at and talked over incessantly. I'm highly surprised he only said 'fuck you' once tbh. 😅 At the end when the guy said 'let me finish' and Loner said 'no - you've monologued to fuck.' ✋️💁🏼 Jesus I need a cat nap after all this.
As someone said in a comment below the other time LB indulged this kid in debate (for 2 & a half fucking hours - a true marathon debate, shutting down idiocy the whole time)... Lonerbox showed "God-like levels of patience".
honestly if I did this I would make it a pretty hard rule people drop the fake laughing and performative bullshit with all the "oh my god" or the conversation would be over.
Yeah, I'd HAVE to implement a rule lime that too. Feelings of intense contempt boil up in me when ppl start pulling that smug bullshit, especially when they're know-nothing idiot blowhards.
at least this person is a good lolcow, his debates are entertaining even though he can't really make any points/arguments that can't be defeated with 2 seconds of thought.
"The nationalist government of the polish second republic was just about as antisemitics Germany was at the time" This is the most fucked up opinion on European Antisemitism I ever had the chance to hear. He could have said "There was widespread antisemitism" or "Polish People didn't do much against the Holocaust" but he chooses to drop the opinion.
@@dvoid665 just skip to the end before he hangs up he literally says he doesn't care if Turks are r*ped just like when he said he doesn't care if vets are shot or if cops are r*ped. The epitome of brain rot.
I'm getting very "I'm 14 and very smart" vibes off this kid. Like he ignores the idea of just preserving Ukrainian sovereignty for its citizens until its about Eastern Ukrainians being coerced by the rebels to join Russia, or its Crimea but the poll was taken in 2022 after a huge number of Russians were resettled there while at the same time the Crimean Tartars are being imprisoned or killed during interactions with Russian MPs at the same time.
I think this dude debated Vaush as well and yea... it was just as cringe. He said r*ping female cops was fine since they are cops. His defense was "well did the person do it because the lady was a cop?" What is even more wild was the framing of Zelensky as "corrupt asshole" who "ran on peace". So Zelensky asked Russia to invade Ukraine and kill civilians? I've heard a lot of stupid shit, I'm American that's been a common theme here since it's inception, but that framing is OUT there.
@@bladeswimmer1254 where does Ukrainian language come from is it a mix of polish and russian from when Ukraine was apart of the polish empire... Just curious.
@@lonelyone69 the Ukrainian language comes from proto Slavic. As with all Slavic languages(Ukrainian, Russian, polish, Belorussian, etc). Ironically Russian had a greater amount of Latin influences in much of its vocabulary(the names of months are a great example). The Ukrainian letter r is pronounced like a gutteral mix of g and h. There is no equivalent of it in English. So saying LuGansk and LuHansk is irrelevant from an English speaker.
I'm like 3 minutes in, does the whole debate revolve around Russian imperialism apologia? Edit: Nope, I'm 15 minutes in and the brainrot is overflowing from this conversation.
Yeah, Donetsk was an industrial centre in the Soviet era because of the coal mines there, but by the start of the war it was pretty much only steel and aluminium production left besides the mines. More importantly the ground is full of oil and natural gas.
@@SunburnCity well lonerbox has 2 convos with him. Does vaush? Instinctually i thought yes but now i dont think so. But that means vaush or dylan need round 2
Nationalism is when you don't want your nation to be invaded. Nationalism is not when you hold beliefs that your group is superior to other groups, and wish to separate yourself from outside forces and bask in your supremacy. That's uh... that's something else.
Nationalism is also believing your country is exceptional, and should be highly protected, which is a logical sentiment when you have a full-scale invasion
@@sergiok8036 Uh... no? Protecting yourself from invasion isn't any ideology, that's just how an invasion works? I don't see why you need to believe in exceptionalism to not let the mongols through the gates.
The irony is if you were to call the Iraqis during the invasion nationalists this guy would probably flip their lid. Or if Ukraine invaded Russia instead same thing. People like this aren’t consistent on anything.
There was a very short moment just at the begining of WWII when Polish population thought it was a liberation because n@zis and Soviets openly hated each other. They would never cooperate, wouldn't they? It didn't take long to see it was a mistake to think so It's just another example of Soviet shooting themselves into foot because they could've come out as the heroes, as the liberators. Maybe it would allow building healthier relationship with Poland and other countries but nah. Authoritarianism rots brains
This kid could not dig themselves into a hole fast enough Claiming that there wasn't any antisemitism until after British colonialism is insane. Maybe, *maybe* you could argue that colonialism heightened existing tensions, but he didn't have enough sense to temper his argument in the slightest
This kid went on Lonerbox (the first time), then Vaush, and now Lonerbox again and he's constantly setting new records for "time from start to saying something absolutely insane"
Not sure Loner will ever see this but just for clarification Ummayid Spain was 661-750... then he leaps to the 20th century with British Mandates... this is flagrant historical inaccuracies
When you're debating someone who keep jumping from one thing to another, you cannot just debate statements as they come at you or it will always turn into an endless argument where no conclusion will be reached and both sides will be even more frustrated with each other.... Arguying with such people require special tactics
The idea that all nationalism leads inevitably to nazism is just… the implications of that are just wild… this child needs some fkn discipline for real.
I hate people that are so incredibly condescending and so incredibly uneducated. They have their facts ans thats it, everything is seen through their pemse and other interpretation(often the more reasonable ones) are seen as idiotic and offensive. Lonerbox mentioning russias side in the conflict was instantly talen as him over focusing on russia and miss-representing it, saying anything even just other events that dont fit their very narrow veiw is being dishonest.
Azov and their symbiology has never been associated with the nazis by average Ukrainian, most of people who join these far right battalions or so-called "nazi battalions", join because they want to protect their country.
The whole Baltic debate part is pure cancer, as some one living here and knows history from university, they both are not qualified to have this debate.
I would be considered a Scottish ‘Nationalist’ but my allegiance is not to blood & soil, it’s to make the country & society a better place for both my allies & opponents.
Stalin knew Hitler would invade him that's why they destroyed their defensive structures on the old soviet border after invading the Baltic's and Poland together with the Nazis
Oh my, Turchynov was an interim prime minister, so annoying. Also if you so smart to know about Luhansk, you definitely should know about Kyiv (not Kiev). This dude...
Lonerbox is probs the best find in political content I found after destiny. I like three arrows old videos. Probs to lonerbox! Your long form live content is as exciting as are your normal edited videos. Tbf your presentation of your videos is just very high quality!
As a Pole whenever I hear an American say Ribbentrop-Molotov wasn't a collaboration pact I'm sorry for them, it must be really hard living without access to proper education
I have a personal problem with these types of debates since it’s unstructured and my back is Policy Debate in the US which is heavily structured with clear framework for the debate on hand. Though I do find it necessary to argue with these dogmatic positions because especially in todays age they can gain so much traction when they go unchallenged. Nothing is more effective in deflating the values and principles of political discourse than forcing them to defend and explain their positions.
This “Poland in 1920/30’s was as nazi as Germany and Ukrainians were liberated by the Soviets from polish oppression” take is the most braindead thing I have ever heard
They were pretty bad to Ukrainians tbh. Look up their Pacifying policies. I don’t defend ethnic cleansing done by OUN, but in historical context it didn’t come out of nowhere.
I went to those camps, not gonna lie it was good experience, however we had a dude with a swastika on his hand, and he got bullied to hell for it, because nazis killed a lot of ukranians, and in their books, we were untermenshen. The only real white supremacy vibe i got was about strongly supporting Ukraine's connection with Scandinavia, which has some plausability. Also, while bandera is a fascist, most people look at him as a very controvertial but important character, and a lot of people are kind of in denial of the bad vibe he carries. Also i think he should critique russia about rusich and other groups.
Bandera is not a Nazi. OUN is not a Nazi organization. At the Nuremberg Tribunal, OUN was also mentioned and they were not recognized as criminal organizations. Bandera did not swear allegiance to Hitler. Germany sent Bandera to a concentration camp for proclaiming a Ukrainian state, and his brothers were tortured in Auschwitz. The goal of OUN was to create a Ukrainian state. OUN is a national liberation movement, which at that time was forced to cooperate with the Germans against Poland and the USSR until Germany began to shoot members of the organization for proclaiming a Ukrainian state. If you read Bandera's books, you will not see anti-Semitism there. If someone tells you that Bandera or OUN are Nazis, know that this is Moscow propaganda against Ukraine.
1. I agree he was not Nazi, but for sure he was fascist, his organization OUN-B until august 1943 planned dictatorship in Ukraine 2. At Nuremberg trials there were many false statements (like: Katyń was done by Germans). OUN did terrorist attacks in interwar Poland so for sure it was criminal organisation 3. Yes he was in concentration camp but he was treated there like a normal prisoner, not like the rest people at the camp 4. It fought so bravely against Poland that they killed 100k civilians in Volhynia and Galicia 5.Maybe you won't see antisemitism in his books but his organization led to murdering Jews during Vohlynia massacre
The point is the nazi shit doesn't matter actually. People have The right to defend their and point blank. All the non nazi want to live in peace in Ukraine
Not a bad guess, this same guy had a debate with vaush were he got completly humilliated and then (as far as i know) he talked to dylan burns and told him that he was drunk during that debate Here is the link to the vaush debate ua-cam.com/video/A0JN0dzHnc4/v-deo.html Im still loking for the dylan one
Hi! I'm Ukrainian. The majority of Donbass region didn't ask Russia to come and "defend" them. We can agree that a lot of them weren't on the same side of the revolution that started in November 2013 (because it was against the president, most of Donbass voted for), but those people wanted to live in Ukraine. For example: At the start of the 2014 conflict, protests against separatism were held in cities like Donetsk, Luhansk, and Mariupol.; 1990s Donbas miners' strikes with ukrainian flags; before 2014, many political leaders from Donbas were part of Ukrainian national parties, supporting the idea of the region remaining within Ukraine.
The most beautiful thing about fighting in Ukraine was that nobody gave a shit about Aesthetics. We had people that were communists, we had people that supported ISIS, we had people that were part of Counter-DAESH, we had Afghans, Armerican, Banderites, Jews all within one unit. And nobody gave a shit what your idelogy was. You could put on a swastika patch, or wrap Tefillin, as long as you were brave, tolerant and honest you were welcome. this kind of Aestethics games are ridiculous and they don't belong in a warzone
Tbh just get a loudmic and whenever someone like this interrupts you, switch that shit on and scream "SHUT THE FUCK UP AND STOP INTERRUPING". I think they'll get the memo
I once saw video about that camp and only real thing that I heard was: "We will return Crimea and Kuban" nothing else, no "Heil Shmitler" no "Hail Jewish Zelensky"
"Uh, uhm, uh, uhm pff... Okay 'guy' pff, ugh, pff, uhm, well why don't you tell me then, 'buddy', why don't you tell ME then, what EXACTLY did the process of Azov SUPPOSEDLY mellowing out when they were absorbed into the national guard look like!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!" "W-" "OH! OH! W, is it? you're going to say a W at me? Uh-huh, okay. Pff, ugh, pff, pff."
Holy shit, I kind of assumed he wasn't going to get dumber than that and then he unironically "You ran as a peace candidate, and yet you got invaded. Curious"ed. Does a fetus count as a person? I don't know, but this thing definitely does not. Flush it.
Extreme patience shown there. Man that was wild. He did have a pretty good knowledge of certain areas of history, basically a lot of data stuffed away in that noggin of his. It was his interpretations/conclusions that were so wrong/badly put together.
"Duhhh Zelensky ran as a peace candidate, but now Ukraine is at war with Russia. Guess he doesn't care about peace!"
That hurt my brain so hard.
this is pretty much what russian propaganda does to someone's IQ lol
"genius"
Someone once used that logic against me in a conservative debate
I guess he thinks desiring peace= being a pacifist
Well done lonerbox for stepping in to this neglected teen's life as his new father figure. That's a lot of responsibility.
Oh, God... 😅
Someone had to do it.
This dude omg he debated Vaush as well talking about how nationalism is a disease and then went on to try and say he has a degree in history 😂😂😂😂😂
@@lonelyone69 I was trying to remember where I heard this guy's voice before. I feel like I've heard him 'debated' a few online lefties
@@dellabooty I remember this squirt from the Vaush debate where the kid tried to justify r*ping lady cops.
"why would we help somebody on the other side of the world?"
I love that the guy who came on to cry about the supposed nationalism in Ukraine is flagrantly and unapologetically a nationalist lmao.
It is also kind of funny from the perspective of ideological history, since early 19th century nationalists like Giuseppe Garibaldi would say "yes, we should."
@@arskakarva7474 byt he was also able to set aside his other beliefs to secure independence and unity of Italy. Cool guy
Didn´t he claim to be pro Palestine?
Also, according to this logic, we should not be doing anything about Nazis in other countries...I really think he's just trying to find excuses not to support Ukraine, whether it's Nazis, "they asked for it" or "why should I care".
@@kasane1337 He's literally just a dumb tankie who post hoc defends China and Russia. This guy's argument eventually boiled down to "nationalism = nazism", which is pure dogshit.
As someone who's a Ukrainian from the east listening to his representations of what majority of eastern ukrainians want is so painful
What are you talking about east Ukrainians obviously want what the Kremlin wants because you're all ethnic russian.... Explains in putinium 😂
Thought you were middle eastern.
I know people from Donetsk who spent eight years listening to nothing but Russian state media who still are more connected to reality than this guy.
@@rogirek3362Tell that to the cristo fascists that are weeping about ROC
Obviously a majority of people in Donbas don’t want to be under Kiev rule. It’s absurd to imply otherwise.
Wasn't this the guy who thought sexually assaulting cops was entirely justifiable because they are cops?
I'm not sure but it certainly sounds like him
IT IS! It's the dude who absolutely tried to justify extrajudicial revenge killings against veterans and sexual assault against cops.
@@artisticcannibalism1350 it is. I actually rewatched that video today and went back after hearing this dude and went "holy shit it is the same dude"
Was about to say that. He talked with vaush. His annoying voice is unmistakable. 🤣
@@ergosum5001 wait killing murderers is bad how exactly?
Poland under 7 years of Soviet occupation:
Est. 150.000 people dead due to direct actions by the occupying forces.
Several mass killing events including the Katyn massacre.
Widespread rapes and arbitrary arrests of Polish citizens, with over half a million Poles sent to prison within the first two years.
Between 300.000 and 1.000.000 Polish people forcefully deported to Siberia.
The Road of Bones is built on the corpses of hundreds of thousands of slave workers, a large portion of them Polish nationals. But according to this person, anybody who protested against the Soviet occupation is a Nazi collaborator.
Also thinks it's illegal to talk about collaboration with the Nazis in Poland, which is simply not true. Every single one of us accepts that there was collaboration on an individual level, there are bad people everywhere but it is consider a defamation to say that Polish state collaborated with Nazis with their final solution. Also very unliked phrase "polish death camps" is considered such defamation as Poles didn't have anything to do with setting them up and their operations.
This law while controversial because it might be considered a barrier to open discussion is still aimed to prevent open statements about institutionalized collaboration as there were many instances when people from the west who were more or less ignorant thought that Poles were responsible for holocaust.
@afgncap the idiot from the video conveniently forgets poland is a democracy too. Even if that were true, such a law could easily be repealed if the will was amassed.
As someone from Baltics it's always extremely cringy to hear people speak about their idea of how Baltics treat WW2 history or WW2 history itself. Even the biggest Nazi apologist in Baltics is not on 10% level as this dude is simping for Soviets and now Russia.
@MCADHD666 VOL2 I think you have more neo Nazis in Poland now than you did Nazis back then.... Ya'll literally fighting a facist adjacent PIS rn 😂.
@MCADHD666 VOL2
In our very patriotic history class we were taught that Eastern front was so messy it wasn't uncommon to forge temporary tentative arrangaments between Polish underground army or militia with Wehrmacht forces, communists, and even sometimes with Ukrainians. Those agreements weren't based on common ideologies. When in one aera there're around 3 armies + various militia forces it's normal cooperate with one side for a battle or two
And obviously it's worth noting that for Soviets everyone politically or militarily active but who didn't like USSR was a literal n@zi. Even the guy let himself to be taken into concentration camp in order to do some spying for allies - he also was a n@zi
This. Went to latvia, met an old woman which was very happy to hear people speak German. My grandfather was also born there, he told me a lot about this time. Essentially in the beginning a lot of people hoped for a chance of getting rid of the reds who fucked over their country but where quickly desillusioned by seeing that they just swapped pest for cholera. Getting the reds back (and beeing punished for 'collaborating') made them remembering the German occupation in a slightly better light. But in the end there probably wasnt too much of a difference in how they regarded the value of a human life in comparison to their 'greater goals'. Also about antisemitism: half of the fucking world was super antisemitic for modern Standards (and probably would be still if it wasnt for the Holocaust). Hitler himself had a faaar greater hate for jews then 'normal' antisemitics - probably got that in the 20s when he was still in Austria - and a terrifiying thought about it is the following: Hitler probably would have succeded with his plans, if it wasnt for his extreme and genocidal hatred for jews. A quote from Churchill (about Hitler): Antisemitism is a good starter but a bad sticker.
@@Fulloffcoce also, it's quite straightforward, in Baltics Nazis are a "ww2 history", meanwhile Soviets occupied up until 90's. So most people lived through it. That on itself makes it more of a sore spot (duh?).
Anyway, outside of that, we learn a lot in regular school history lessons about your usual stuff, then about Nazi collaborators and such. No one is sweeping anything under the rug, historical figures that had collaborated with Nazis had been removed from the streets etc. Outside of actual neo nazis, there is absolutely no sympathy for nazism in regular population. As I said, at "worst" it's just "WW2 thing, so don't care".
@@TwistedElegance unfortunaly living through dire times and hardshipt doesnt cure people from all the nonsensical hatred they can have for minoritys gays etc. Sometimes i think people rather tend to feel right to be injust to others because they themself lifed through injustice. On a personal level i can see myself doing that too sometimes. Thats also why i despise the ideologic justification of one kind of injustice over another..
As someone whose family grew up in a Russian regime, thank you for the work you're doing. That being said, I just think it's pointless arguing with these people, tankies are pretty much a cult at this point, I was in a group that was taken over by them and they were discussing stuff like whether children of the rich should be ex*cuted too when the revolution comes. Something has to fundamentally change in their life for them to get better.
I can understand the idea of killing royal babies because, no matter how horrid the idea is, this is the best way of definitely ending monarchy. The idea of monarchy is that certain families are inherently predisposed to be rulers. So no matter how you raise a royal baby they'll always be royal in the eyes of monarchists. When it comes to weathy people there's no such belief. Apparently everyone can become rich or poor depending on their hard work, good choices and not eating avocado toasts. There're no bourgeoisie supporters who would give millions of dollars to a random guy because their parents were once rich
So even in the context a of very bloody revolution there's no reason to kill children of wealthy people. And I really want to believe that (at least in Europe) there's no need for killing royals in order to end their reign
@@angelikaskoroszyn8495 I dunno, maybe all of the Mussolini line should've concluded like Benito, most of the grandkids embraced their Facist leader ideals like a public Mafia family, and they're almost back in power again like a bad dream.
@@angelikaskoroszyn8495 No
@@falconeshield That's why fascism doesn't exist anywhere else, they killed enough fascist babies.
@@angelikaskoroszyn8495 It's a slippery slope because even if you look at it from a objective outlook and leave morality out of it, it's not just going to be a few royal babies you have to kill. For countries that have existed for hundreds of years, there are many, many people with ties to nobility and royalty, you have to slaughter a swathe of the population of you wanted to be thorough and even then, no monarchist is just going to give up because you killed every royal, they're attached to the idea of monarchy, not one person in particular. They'll easily produce a pretender and use the brutal nobility genocide as a way to discredit your cause and galvanize people against your anti-monarchy ideals. Just look at what happened to Haiti, on one you could argue they're killing of the White French elite on the island was justified due to that population's strong resistance to the slave revolution, but killing them just tarnished the revolution in the eyes of everyone else and made the former slaves the bad guys. If they had played the Spanish and French against each other, they could have negotiated a better deal or been under the protection of the Spanish.
I'm only 14 minutes in and I already have a headache. I admire your patience Mr Box
You're more stalwart than me. I'm 6.5 in and all I can think of is this person can't STFU for 2 seconds. What a jackass.
I too got 14 minutes and realized this kid treats Ukraine's future like its a custody battle from a daggy, under-paid father (Russia), and some high-powered career woman who doesn't care (The West), instead of a country with its own people and sovereignty
14 minutes? I'm 3 in and I already want to jump of a cliff.
His other debates are worse. Pretty sure he said its ok to rape female cops
@@Eyclonus we don't care SO MUCH we've sent them over 90 billion dollars of "aid". But apparently the homeless situation and student debt is too expensive. If you look at this war in any way besides funding the military industrial complex you're delusional at worst and sympathetically dull at best
I’m pretty convinced this guy is an active and probably paid Russian apologist.
All of his points are so razor specific to the kremlin line.
@@hadronoftheseus8829 Ever been in places that are obviously overrun with paid kremlin trolls? they're REAL REAL bad at their jobs and from what i understand mostly teenagers and really young college students who get paid virtually nothing.
@@hadronoftheseus8829 I mean: Caleb Maupin
If they would pay that guy, they would pay anyone
The problem with that is believing this guy is over the age of 17
@@comradequestion4206 Let's not forget Niko House lol.
@@hadronoftheseus8829 Michael! Michael? Michael!
If European nationalism makes you a nazi, then according to this guy´s stance, the current Russian regime - highly nationalistic, chauvinistic and irredentist - is also nazi (Russia is still part of Europe), yet he is just spewing all the RT/Sputnik talking points.
If I recall correctly, on Vaush’s stream he claimed that China can’t be nationalist because it says in China’s constitution that it’s a multiethnic state. I think he claimed the same for Russia.
@andydyer6591 not multi-ethnic even, just that it recognises the existence of a few languages other than han chinese. Its absolutely insane and they still heavily neglect those languages while subduing languages they claim to be fake.
I think this conversation made me realise that Americans don't understand how parliamentary republics work. Prime Ministers are selected by the parliament, it's not something you directly vote on, instead you vote for your local member of parliament. In this case it was the Ukranian parliament who appointed Yatsenyuk as an interim Prime Minister in the wake of Yanukovych fleeing, specifically with the goal of organising new elections.
People like this Tankie are....unironically as bad or worse than the "Nazis" they supposedly oppose
I love lonerboxes debate style, in the past he has been too charitable looking up examples (perhaps he was less prepared ). I appreciate that he debates deranged people. I think it is in the venerable vain of the BBC tough talk. keep up your poise, "we can't all be experts" cheers
Helps this was round 2 with this particular dipshit.
I don't think this guy realises that "I don't know" is not the gotcha he thinks it is.
Frankly, this guy is a very boring subject for a debate. All he does is interrupt and disagree all the time, so it sort of boils down into a Monty Python sketch. There is no reason to debate him, nothing will be examined or debated.
He also talks a lot of shit. Lonerbox was way too gentle with him.
@@Keltik0ne To be fair, I've never seen LonerBox being this aggressive so you could at least say he wasn't gentle by his normal standards.
But yeah, going harder would have been better
“I came here for an argument!”
“I’m sorry, this is abuse!”
Nuh uh! Shut up! You d- F- god, you don't even-...
(Man, I wish I knew even one, single thing...)
Monty Python is the perfect metaphor, actually it's not even a metaphor it truly is Monty-Pythonesque.
I am calling this kid Super Soydier from now on.
He does one thing, and does it better than anyone.
Edit: wait... "I know you're like 20..." is this not a teenager? There is no way this lil' homie isn't making fun of Loner for being old, right? There is no way this isn't a 17yo Twitter tankie, right?
“You’re making me remember so much shit.”
Yes. Almost like that’s the point of substantiating your claims.
Isn't this the 'lady cops' guy that Vaush debated a while back? I thought I recognised the voice from somewhere else.
Holy shit
Yes. Really unhinged person.
Omg i just rewatched that debate with vaush a few minutes ago, what the fuck
Vaush, Dylan and Lonerbox are a closed system
@@pogo8050 oh yeah, i heard he also talked to dylan too but i couldnt find it, does someone have the link to that?
Is this the guy from a debate with Vaush where he said r***** lady cops is okay or is he someone else ?
Nope, that's him
Which is insane to think right? Like you'd think words like this would carry everywhere, and make him a complete outcast in his community, even ACAB people would be freaked about it
31:46 Stalin literally went into hiding for weeks when Hitler attacked the USSR cause he was so shocked and unprepared for their attack lol
that's actually a well established meme at this point, lol. He didn't "hide for weeks" he was reported to be somber and didn't interact with many people for like a day, then got to work trying to scramble a defensive line together. People like you who just repeat historical falsehoodds ad nauseam are so annoying. This characterization of Stalin as some nervous weakling sounds like something the Wehrmacht would dream up after the war was over, lmao.
"Frens don't do that :sadface:"
I can picture him holed up in some bunker all alone jst drinking vodka and sobbing & muttering shit to himself like "why....WHY did they do this?! We were partners. I gave them EVERYTHING they ever wanted & needed. I made it possible for them to seize half of Poland, & do as they'd dreamed of doing! I thought we had a real connection, & hoped we'd become true allies. Oh Adolph why, WHHHYYYYY did you betray me this waaaaaay?!?!?!" [more gasping sobs, and a big sniffle]
😆😆😆😆😉
@@LittleDesertFlower78 lmao of course he did. To be a dictator with a cult of personality any slights against you in that way must be ruinous for your ego😄
He went into hiding but it wasn’t because he was shocked it was because of how much he lost in the first three months against the nazis. It was anticipated that the two powers would eventually collide, the nazis were known for their hatred of communists especially after what the freikorps did
Highest iq tankie
Azov doesn't exist anymore. The unit was reorganized as the 3rd Separate Assault Battalion
IT'S THIS KIIDDD!!!! LET'S GOOOOO! XD
Someone, PLEASE link/reference the prior debate. This kid is just funny enough to be entertaining, but not enough to remember what he did.
ua-cam.com/video/A0JN0dzHnc4/v-deo.html here is his debate with Vaush, he also had a talk with dylan burns but i couldnt find it
HAHA I FOUND THE DYLAN DEBATE
ua-cam.com/video/k1RDMlH8Pxw/v-deo.html
I was easy to recognize sence the Thumbnail said "PLEASE SHUT UP" and in the preview just said "SHUT THE FUCK UP!" And this fucking guy cant stop talking
30:16 the funniest thing about that is that Medvedchuk's (Pro-russian leader in ukraine, good friend of Putin) own father was not only a Bandera supporter, he was the regional head of the nazi ministry for deportation of slavs to german factories.
He was the judge that destroyed Ivan Stus's life
So THAT'S what a really hardcore tankie is like. Makes Haz 'n' Hinkle seem like pikers. Good to know that Stalin's non-aggression pact with Hitler and the Sov invasion of Poland in WWII was all part of Stalin's sneaky 6D chess game.
ironically, if you try to debate a ruzzian on chatroulette you will feel the same vibe -- constant interrupting, jumping between topics when they ask YOU a question and the only difference is that the ruzkies will start talking about homosexuality out of nowhere
hey! Ukrainian here. First of all - thank you for being so adequate and cool. Secondly, 15:56 - YOU pronounced it correctly, in Ukrainian manner. In Ukrainian it's pronounced as "luGansk". So yeah, you did great, and f*** this guy who debated..., whoever he is, i wish him only to move to russia and stay there. forever.
As far as I know letter "Г" using transliteration rule is gonna be "H" in English, therefore Luhansk city
@@vanyabalabol yes, but he pronounced it like UKRAINIAN. I watched plenty of lonerbox videos and he tends to check and pronounce names as locals do, which is great. The guy he debated speaks Ukrainian too i believe so he should have known that pronunciation was correct. There was no point in being judgmental but that seems to be the nature of that guy..
@@dashabv does he say Kyiv instead of Kiev? I just found this channel, haven't heard him pronouncing capital city
@@vanyabalabol he pronounces it more like Кіїв, like the rest of cool English speaking people, I believe that the combination of иї is too hard to pronounce for them
@@vanyabalabol please post it into the google translator and ask it to read it: Я з Луганської області, you will hear the "G" clearly in there. Ther main difference of pronouncing this city name between two languages is not in a G/H part, but in soft 's' in the end (Ukranian)
The amount of patience Loner had with this guy going over his arguments only to have his own points constantly laughed at and talked over incessantly. I'm highly surprised he only said 'fuck you' once tbh. 😅 At the end when the guy said 'let me finish' and Loner said 'no - you've monologued to fuck.' ✋️💁🏼 Jesus I need a cat nap after all this.
As someone said in a comment below the other time LB indulged this kid in debate (for 2 & a half fucking hours - a true marathon debate, shutting down idiocy the whole time)...
Lonerbox showed "God-like levels of patience".
honestly if I did this I would make it a pretty hard rule people drop the fake laughing and performative bullshit with all the "oh my god" or the conversation would be over.
Yeah, I'd HAVE to implement a rule lime that too. Feelings of intense contempt boil up in me when ppl start pulling that smug bullshit, especially when they're know-nothing idiot blowhards.
at least this person is a good lolcow, his debates are entertaining even though he can't really make any points/arguments that can't be defeated with 2 seconds of thought.
He debated Vaush as well he made the argument that a nation state isn't a nation because it isn't mono ethnic 😂😂😂😂
"The nationalist government of the polish second republic was just about as antisemitics Germany was at the time"
This is the most fucked up opinion on European Antisemitism I ever had the chance to hear. He could have said "There was widespread antisemitism" or "Polish People didn't do much against the Holocaust" but he chooses to drop the opinion.
This is the guy who Vaush debated who is weirdly obsessed with race and nationalism. You know, like a racist.
Did you forget it ended with him saying he doesn't care if Turks are r*ped because he's an Armenian descendent 😂😂😂😂
@@lonelyone69 I watched like half of that debate. That person is exhausting. I might finish it, but I'm not looking forward to it.
@@dvoid665 just skip to the end before he hangs up he literally says he doesn't care if Turks are r*ped just like when he said he doesn't care if vets are shot or if cops are r*ped. The epitome of brain rot.
The milk from this lolcow is radioactive but I will drink to support Mr Box.
I love this fool he's just so amped up to have his ass handed to him.
This kid is special. We've done it. We've found the dumbest tankie.
@@Teh_Hats Plot twist: this is unfortunately, the smartest tankie.
He is so full of excitement he can't contain himself over the throught of getting owned
Omg he gloats about pronunciation of Luhansk but that lobotomite doesn't even pronounce it right himself... What a joke
Source: I'm Ukrainian
This man just love the sound of his own voice and mocks whoever he's debating when he's trying to think of something else to jump to
I'm getting very "I'm 14 and very smart" vibes off this kid. Like he ignores the idea of just preserving Ukrainian sovereignty for its citizens until its about Eastern Ukrainians being coerced by the rebels to join Russia, or its Crimea but the poll was taken in 2022 after a huge number of Russians were resettled there while at the same time the Crimean Tartars are being imprisoned or killed during interactions with Russian MPs at the same time.
I think this dude debated Vaush as well and yea... it was just as cringe.
He said r*ping female cops was fine since they are cops. His defense was "well did the person do it because the lady was a cop?"
What is even more wild was the framing of Zelensky as "corrupt asshole" who "ran on peace". So Zelensky asked Russia to invade Ukraine and kill civilians? I've heard a lot of stupid shit, I'm American that's been a common theme here since it's inception, but that framing is OUT there.
Ohh this is the person that said they don’t care if a woman cop gets raped.
I bet bro full heartedly listens to Russian propaganda
Loner, from Ukraine with love ❤
Keep bashing them
BTW, nothing is wrong with Luhans'k pronunciation, it's actually how it sounds in Ukrainian.
@@bladeswimmer1254 where does Ukrainian language come from is it a mix of polish and russian from when Ukraine was apart of the polish empire... Just curious.
@@lonelyone69 the Ukrainian language comes from proto Slavic. As with all Slavic languages(Ukrainian, Russian, polish, Belorussian, etc). Ironically Russian had a greater amount of Latin influences in much of its vocabulary(the names of months are a great example).
The Ukrainian letter r is pronounced like a gutteral mix of g and h. There is no equivalent of it in English. So saying LuGansk and LuHansk is irrelevant from an English speaker.
This dude is delusional. He's literally not having a conversation. Literally every time something is talked about, he just talks about something else.
Biletstky left azov 3 months after forming it
I'm like 3 minutes in, does the whole debate revolve around Russian imperialism apologia?
Edit: Nope, I'm 15 minutes in and the brainrot is overflowing from this conversation.
I thought the main industrial centres for Ukraine were in Dnipro and Kryvyi Rih?
Yeah, Donetsk was an industrial centre in the Soviet era because of the coal mines there, but by the start of the war it was pretty much only steel and aluminium production left besides the mines. More importantly the ground is full of oil and natural gas.
Oh this guy. Been my favorite tankie that both you, vaush and i think...dylan...smash to pieces. Im down for the next episode
Bro his Vaush one where he tries to argue nation's aren't nations because they're multi ethnic holy shit 😂😂😂😂
@@lonelyone69 yeah...blood and soil and all that
Only we the leftists know the deep lore. lol if this guys comes back again, i swear 🤣
@@SunburnCity well lonerbox has 2 convos with him. Does vaush? Instinctually i thought yes but now i dont think so. But that means vaush or dylan need round 2
@@unclebobboomergames And so the saga continues. I agree bring on the sequel for Vaush and Dylan. Collab episode with Vaush and Dylan maybe?!
Nationalism is when you don't want your nation to be invaded.
Nationalism is not when you hold beliefs that your group is superior to other groups, and wish to separate yourself from outside forces and bask in your supremacy. That's uh... that's something else.
Nationalism is also believing your country is exceptional, and should be highly protected, which is a logical sentiment when you have a full-scale invasion
@@sergiok8036 Uh... no? Protecting yourself from invasion isn't any ideology, that's just how an invasion works? I don't see why you need to believe in exceptionalism to not let the mongols through the gates.
The irony is if you were to call the Iraqis during the invasion nationalists this guy would probably flip their lid. Or if Ukraine invaded Russia instead same thing. People like this aren’t consistent on anything.
Dude thinking that Poles wanted Soviet liberators before or during WW2 just shows how little he has read. What a walnut
There was a very short moment just at the begining of WWII when Polish population thought it was a liberation because n@zis and Soviets openly hated each other. They would never cooperate, wouldn't they?
It didn't take long to see it was a mistake to think so
It's just another example of Soviet shooting themselves into foot because they could've come out as the heroes, as the liberators. Maybe it would allow building healthier relationship with Poland and other countries but nah. Authoritarianism rots brains
It’s insane to even fathom. The Soviet’s honestly did much worst to the poles than the nazis did
This kid could not dig themselves into a hole fast enough
Claiming that there wasn't any antisemitism until after British colonialism is insane. Maybe, *maybe* you could argue that colonialism heightened existing tensions, but he didn't have enough sense to temper his argument in the slightest
This kid went on Lonerbox (the first time), then Vaush, and now Lonerbox again and he's constantly setting new records for "time from start to saying something absolutely insane"
OK this guy binged some garbage consphistory books/or streams and just wanted to vomit these pillars of human knowledge somewhere. Amazing.
Not sure Loner will ever see this but just for clarification
Ummayid Spain was 661-750... then he leaps to the 20th century with British Mandates... this is flagrant historical inaccuracies
"not as fair as russian elections"
ok, he is trolling to use that example surely
“What about”
“Yeah, but”
“Okay, and”
“First of all”
💃 🕺🏻
Tankies are cringe.
Hang on, I've heard this guy before. I think this is the "raping lady cops is okay" guy from Vaush's stream.
i love hearing americans tell us about how europeans think
When you're debating someone who keep jumping from one thing to another, you cannot just debate statements as they come at you or it will always turn into an endless argument where no conclusion will be reached and both sides will be even more frustrated with each other.... Arguying with such people require special tactics
Tankie Morty is even more annoying than I remember
Loner, I didn't think I could love you more. I was wrong. ❤️
The idea that all nationalism leads inevitably to nazism is just… the implications of that are just wild… this child needs some fkn discipline for real.
I hate people that are so incredibly condescending and so incredibly uneducated. They have their facts ans thats it, everything is seen through their pemse and other interpretation(often the more reasonable ones) are seen as idiotic and offensive. Lonerbox mentioning russias side in the conflict was instantly talen as him over focusing on russia and miss-representing it, saying anything even just other events that dont fit their very narrow veiw is being dishonest.
Azov and their symbiology has never been associated with the nazis by average Ukrainian, most of people who join these far right battalions or so-called "nazi battalions", join because they want to protect their country.
The whole Baltic debate part is pure cancer, as some one living here and knows history from university, they both are not qualified to have this debate.
I would be considered a Scottish ‘Nationalist’ but my allegiance is not to blood & soil, it’s to make the country & society a better place for both my allies & opponents.
What do you mean by blood and soil, I'm serious, English is my second language so I don't know some things
OH!! It's that unhinged yapper from multiple vaush debate. Gotta love this cinematic universe I stumbled into!
oh shit not this guy again.
loner is braver than i
hurts my brain in a bad way
This is the lost soul that debated Vaush, and ye, they are just as insane as a couple of months ago.
I love it how Vaush ended it by saying don't ban them as if he'd change.... He hasn't changed 😂
Stalin knew Hitler would invade him that's why they destroyed their defensive structures on the old soviet border after invading the Baltic's and Poland together with the Nazis
Oh my, Turchynov was an interim prime minister, so annoying. Also if you so smart to know about Luhansk, you definitely should know about Kyiv (not Kiev). This dude...
Lonerbox is probs the best find in political content I found after destiny. I like three arrows old videos.
Probs to lonerbox! Your long form live content is as exciting as are your normal edited videos. Tbf your presentation of your videos is just very high quality!
Holy shit this guy was on vaush arguing about Ukraine too he is crazy
Sounds like the ultimate child Tankie.
Dunning-Kruger tour de force, well done kid. LonerBox, my sympathies.
As a Pole whenever I hear an American say Ribbentrop-Molotov wasn't a collaboration pact I'm sorry for them, it must be really hard living without access to proper education
Patience of a saint
This is a child.
I have a personal problem with these types of debates since it’s unstructured and my back is Policy Debate in the US which is heavily structured with clear framework for the debate on hand. Though I do find it necessary to argue with these dogmatic positions because especially in todays age they can gain so much traction when they go unchallenged. Nothing is more effective in deflating the values and principles of political discourse than forcing them to defend and explain their positions.
This “Poland in 1920/30’s was as nazi as Germany and Ukrainians were liberated by the Soviets from polish oppression” take is the most braindead thing I have ever heard
They were pretty bad to Ukrainians tbh. Look up their Pacifying policies. I don’t defend ethnic cleansing done by OUN, but in historical context it didn’t come out of nowhere.
Bro would not quit yapping
I went to those camps, not gonna lie it was good experience, however we had a dude with a swastika on his hand, and he got bullied to hell for it, because nazis killed a lot of ukranians, and in their books, we were untermenshen. The only real white supremacy vibe i got was about strongly supporting Ukraine's connection with Scandinavia, which has some plausability. Also, while bandera is a fascist, most people look at him as a very controvertial but important character, and a lot of people are kind of in denial of the bad vibe he carries. Also i think he should critique russia about rusich and other groups.
Many who were fascist back there. Even Churchill said he liked fascism. This word became toxic AFTER the start of WWII.
you know a debate will be good when the other guy strawman's within the first 2 minutes of the video
its the 'lady cop' don :)))
Bandera is not a Nazi. OUN is not a Nazi organization.
At the Nuremberg Tribunal, OUN was also mentioned and they were not recognized as criminal organizations.
Bandera did not swear allegiance to Hitler. Germany sent Bandera to a concentration camp for proclaiming a Ukrainian state, and his brothers were tortured in Auschwitz.
The goal of OUN was to create a Ukrainian state. OUN is a national liberation movement, which at that time was forced to cooperate with the Germans against Poland and the USSR until Germany began to shoot members of the organization for proclaiming a Ukrainian state.
If you read Bandera's books, you will not see anti-Semitism there.
If someone tells you that Bandera or OUN are Nazis, know that this is Moscow propaganda against Ukraine.
1. I agree he was not Nazi, but for sure he was fascist, his organization OUN-B until august 1943 planned dictatorship in Ukraine
2. At Nuremberg trials there were many false statements (like: Katyń was done by Germans). OUN did terrorist attacks in interwar Poland so for sure it was criminal organisation
3. Yes he was in concentration camp but he was treated there like a normal prisoner, not like the rest people at the camp
4. It fought so bravely against Poland that they killed 100k civilians in Volhynia and Galicia
5.Maybe you won't see antisemitism in his books but his organization led to murdering Jews during Vohlynia massacre
Loner I need you to post more. You're one of the few sane voices
I 2nd that
One of the very few truly based dudes.
The point is the nazi shit doesn't matter actually. People have The right to defend their and point blank. All the non nazi want to live in peace in Ukraine
Comment for the algorithm 🐗🐍🐁🐪🦅🦆
yo, i think this person is actually high.
Not a bad guess, this same guy had a debate with vaush were he got completly humilliated and then (as far as i know) he talked to dylan burns and told him that he was drunk during that debate
Here is the link to the vaush debate
ua-cam.com/video/A0JN0dzHnc4/v-deo.html
Im still loking for the dylan one
@@sayanApprentice095 ha! i think i did listen to that, it was quite a while ago though
This guy was so confident he owned LonerBox in their last debate when he doesnt even make sense in this current one. Lmfao.
Hi! I'm Ukrainian. The majority of Donbass region didn't ask Russia to come and "defend" them. We can agree that a lot of them weren't on the same side of the revolution that started in November 2013 (because it was against the president, most of Donbass voted for), but those people wanted to live in Ukraine. For example: At the start of the 2014 conflict, protests against separatism were held in cities like Donetsk, Luhansk, and Mariupol.; 1990s Donbas miners' strikes with ukrainian flags; before 2014, many political leaders from Donbas were part of Ukrainian national parties, supporting the idea of the region remaining within Ukraine.
The most beautiful thing about fighting in Ukraine was that nobody gave a shit about Aesthetics.
We had people that were communists, we had people that supported ISIS, we had people that were part of Counter-DAESH, we had Afghans, Armerican, Banderites, Jews all within one unit. And nobody gave a shit what your idelogy was.
You could put on a swastika patch, or wrap Tefillin, as long as you were brave, tolerant and honest you were welcome.
this kind of Aestethics games are ridiculous and they don't belong in a warzone
Instantly recognise this guys voice and know it's going to be incredibly irritating
This is what no education, parental neglect and privilege looks like
This was a trainwreck from the word go, holy shit this guy
It's mind boggling to me how and why
Why people talk about Jews, Israel, Palestine without knowing ANYTHING
According to this guy's logic, if his mother wants to be with me, I can just come in and annex his room 😂
His USSR whitewashing anti-communist reductionism makes my head spin and brings back memories from the last time he was on.
Tbh just get a loudmic and whenever someone like this interrupts you, switch that shit on and scream "SHUT THE FUCK UP AND STOP INTERRUPING".
I think they'll get the memo
I once saw video about that camp and only real thing that I heard was:
"We will return Crimea and Kuban" nothing else, no "Heil Shmitler" no "Hail Jewish Zelensky"
Who is this guy? He has been multiple debates and is insufferable every time.
"Uh, uhm, uh, uhm pff... Okay 'guy' pff, ugh, pff, uhm, well why don't you tell me then, 'buddy', why don't you tell ME then, what EXACTLY did the process of Azov SUPPOSEDLY mellowing out when they were absorbed into the national guard look like!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!"
"W-"
"OH! OH! W, is it? you're going to say a W at me? Uh-huh, okay. Pff, ugh, pff, pff."
Holy shit, I kind of assumed he wasn't going to get dumber than that and then he unironically "You ran as a peace candidate, and yet you got invaded. Curious"ed. Does a fetus count as a person? I don't know, but this thing definitely does not. Flush it.
Love how the guy enters the "debate" with the words "I kicked your ass", and then gets his ass kicked :D
Extreme patience shown there. Man that was wild. He did have a pretty good knowledge of certain areas of history, basically a lot of data stuffed away in that noggin of his. It was his interpretations/conclusions that were so wrong/badly put together.
Really? They dumb AF.