INTENSE Israel-Palestine Conversation with Qorantos
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2024
- Lonerbox chats with Qorantos about his takes on Israel-Palestine and challenges his extreme beliefs on the conflict.
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Everytime you win an arguement against Q, make sure you make him acknowledge it, because he keeps on moving on to the next talking point without thinking.
He learnt that little trick from Destiny, lol.
Debate pervert
>brings up russia ukraine as an analogy
>lonerbox follows through with it
>uuh no wait not like that
Why did he even make this comparison?
@@woocashP he's acting in bad faith and is trying to use a conflict that's morally straightforward to make this pretty complicated conflict seem straightforward.
You have a magical ability of not having Q scream at you the entire Quran in the middle of the conversation
man was about to recite the entire al-baqarah surah
Probably because Q often goes in hot on Destiny. And the last talk they had Destiny was busy and didn't really want to have an argument with Q so he was being an asshole each time Q was trying to keep the argument going.
@sathrielsatanson this and they knowingly do with each other cause they like it
counter terrorists won this debate
My hats off to you Lonerbox for always trying to be objective. It requires a lot of knowledge and effort and you're doing it well.
The only upside of Destiny’s stream being down is I didn’t have to listen to Quiznos screaming. There’s no escape, apparently
We'll soon have to deal with xena and darius here as well if this keeps up
Why's the stream down?
You can just do anything else buddy. I mean I don't have to read your whining because I have control over what I do with my time. I'm indulging in it because I have poor taste in my hobbies.
Also you don’t have to listen to Destiny’s biased towards Israel ass.
"Quiznos screaming" immediately makes me think:
🎵WE LOVE THESE SUBS
CAUSE THEY ARE GOOD TO US
THE QUIZNOS SUBS
THEY ARE TASTY THEY ARE CRUNCHY THEY ARE WARM BECAUSE THEY TOAST THEM🎵
I love that every time you give this guy proven fact on what hamas does he just says NO I DONT BELIEVE YOU
@@donovan4222 bro stop yapping about azov. You have no point. The nazi leader left when they got integrated in the military and only about 20% are even right wing. Please be quiet and bring some evidence that azov is throwing grenades into Russian buildings or uses civs as meat shields
Literally the same on the side who protects an apartheid state
Im so sick of the word colonizer. No intelligent argument comes after the word.
thanks for proving their point@@donovan4222
@@donovan4222 Go far back enough and near every current civilization came from somewhere else and likely battled over territory. Its a moronic nonargument that vilifies a side of the conflict without actually getting closer to resolving the issue.
Its the same childish logic that causes people like Hamas to engage in militant terrorism when its obvious that it only gives their opponent leverage. Palestine remains weak and will always lose cause they don't know how to play from their current position.
@@donovan4222 No because Israel was there homeland, you wouldn't call native american doing the same thing colonizers would you?
@@richardbruton1224 Israel is not their homeland.
wrong. educate yourself onthe history of the region and the process of how Israel was established. Palestinians are the indigenous people.@@richardbruton1224
I really appreciate that lonerbox does his best to be honest and fair . Great work my friend
Wait, I’m probably the only person who noticed this but..
You answered all Quorantos’ questions with facts and equal empathy, and he just moves on to another topic without acknowledging any of your answers to the previous one.
I kinda wanted Quorantos to either fight it some more if Loner is incorrect, or accept and admit he’s wrong when Loner gives a brilliant answer/ position.
He cannot, he speaks like an apologist does, it's all dishonesty and bullshit rhetorical technique
No we noticed it too. An early example was when Loner explained the IDF’s use of roof knocking as a way to minimize civilian deaths. Q responded by saying that would defeat the purpose of doing the bombing since the militants would be alerted too. When Loner responded that it would still achieve a military purpose (blow up stockpiled guns and rockets), Q just changed the subject. That was disappointing. Loner wasn’t perfect but he had several moments like this
@@fonaloneI hope Q seems at least one point from the other party. Otherwise it is more productive to play chess with a pigeon.
I like how he condemns Hamas terrorism but desires the same genocidal outcome. That’s cute.
How??? He literally wants jews, muslims, and christians to live in peace. How the hell is that genocidal?
@@Jasonsmith-sr1kebecause he's cool with the Muslim world obliterating Israel and doesn't care it would 100% be total genocide and pretends he isn't saying that by bringing up a Muslim warlord from a millenia ago. Where is the modern Islamic Saladin? Seriously? Not a single person believes that the Muslims wouldn't wipe out the jews and even he doesn't believe that and post genocide everyone knows if this video were brought up his reaction would be to smirk and say "oh well".
Hamas are criminals they are already condemned isreal is breaking international law that’s what should be condemned lonerbox is justifying it
@@Jasonsmith-sr1ke Can't tell if you're adding on to the sarcasm or not, but in case not... he did say that if all the Muslim nations came together, they could "easily" defeat Israel. What would that look like-Saudi bloc, Iranian bloc, Turkey all combining their military force against Israel, does such a campaign leave Jews in a good place in the aftermath if successful?
@@coreyander286 Do you have any proof that they would just outright genocide all Israelis? Or are you just fear mongering? What leads you to believe such a thing?
Q copying the dude who went on piers morgan is adorable
which one?
@@Emperor_Kronk_TheIV the one not shapiro or hasan
@@unclebobboomergames do you mean the scholar, the comedian or the embesador ?(i don't remember their names)
@@Emperor_Kronk_TheIV I think he’s referring to Bassam because they both brought up the west bank.
Calling a murdered baby a "burnt chicken nugget" is beyond disgusting.
Israel loves it
@@brentoncarter4275It wasn’t Israel who called a baby that here, it was Qorantos.
@@casebased8391 try English next time
@@brentoncarter4275 It’s literally English. Try taking a basic reading comprehension course next time.
Dont worry bro he is just angry and ignorant @@casebased8391
Can I just say that 27:04 brought a big smile to my face? I'm glad two people can argue vehemently against one another but still share a laugh.
The renewed Israel palastine conflict has really destroyed everyone's last brain cell, nothing against Qorantos but most of these recent talks or debates get wild
TBF Q never had any brain cells, so it's not like this conflict destroyed them.
Nothing against Qorantos, but didn't he justify pdf-philia a few months before? Also the Islamic subjugation of women?
I think his brain cells might've improved if you asked me.
@@-paganless-4248 I mean you kind of have to justify pedophilia if you’re a devout muslim right. Cause otherwise you’d have to admit that the prophet Muhammad was wrong. Moral relativity doesn’t work because the prophet is supposed be the embodiment of the most moral and perfect human being for the rest of time.
@@-paganless-4248lol yeah its all relative
@@-paganless-4248 pdf-philia is OK in Islam
10:29 " Do you really believe that Hamas would engage in suicidal political action?"
Yes, yes I do.
Yeah like...what do people think happened 2 weeks ago? Is that not a suicidal political action?
What do you think happened since 1948 and the Nakba? All butterflies and rainbows amirite? Surely Israel hasn't killed over 2,300 Palestinian children since the year 2000 and surely they haven't maintained an apartheid during that time as well, surely? @@SeruraRenge11
@@hrodebrt and Bandera thought Hitler would free Ukraine from ruzzia. Did it help? No, it didn't and so such attack didn't help either, because it was just bunch of thugs going rampage.
@@hrodebrt Well last I checked that wasn't a suicidal political action or it would've had that result.
Oh okay cool, so children dying doesn't matter as long as its Palestinian children? And in case you didn't realize continuing an apartheid is indeed a suicidal action because ANY expert, Israeli or Palestinian or whatever will tell you that maintaining an apartheid will eventually lead to violence against the oppressive side. This is a fact. Tell me would you be okay with the Russian invasion of Ukraine if the Russian government said "oh but we gave them a warning so you cant get mad at us".@@SeruraRenge11
As an Israeli I wish someone would ask a person like Q why does he think Israel should entrust their safety and security to the hands of the people who preach our death for decades if not centuries. I am very happy that people who are not Israelis are able to take a gamble on my and my family's lives. I think that if someone would have come up with a solution that does not end with Israel basically kneeling and letting the Arab world to decide their fate there would be 2 states. The longer people are unable to condemn the constant genocidal rhetoric and actions toward Israelis and Jews in general the more blackpilled Israelis will be on potential peace. Try and poll Israelis now after October 7th about Oslo or the disengagement from Gaza and you will see very clearly how these events and people like Q do nothing but force Israelis to become more and more hawkish about their security.
How did you manage to fit so many lies into your comment? It's impressive really.
I'm pretty sure it hasn't been "centuries", in fact if I'm not mistaken the calls for death started exactly after Israelis began ethnically cleansing Palestinians of the land.
@@elite7329You should read some history then, preferably start of British Mandate of Palestine
😂😂😂😂@@hrodebrt
@@elite7329 you don't know history clearly
Q: If the muslim nations came together they could easily defeat Israel.
… Unironically one of the stupidest things one can say
Not like they never tried before, but not even all Arab nations could come together for that...
@@matt_9112
Not only that but Israel now has an ally that curb stomps every muslim nation’s military every single time the muslim nation tries to fight the Israeli ally in anything that comes close to resembling what an invasion of Israel looks like
I also like his idea that such a war wouldn't be either genocidal in nature or at least perceived as such by every other nation on the planet.
@@donovan4222
You are so close to getting it
He thinks that countries like Nigeria, Morocco, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Malaysia are going to send their armies to fight in Israel.
Masterfully handled against a bad faith actor
ngl I laughed at Qorantos saying that Lebanon possesses the "Infinity Stones" of what I assume is discrimination
qorantos 42:00 "yeah but all the American jews simp for Israel"
also quorantos : this entire video simping for palestine which he has zero ties too lol
What's so crazy about it too is that my feel is that most Jews, especially under 40ish years old in the US are on the left and support Palestinine and are anti Israel or anti-Zionist at the very least.
I'm pretty sure it's not even true! As far as I can tell, American Jews are fairly supportive of the Palestinian people (and many other minority groups all over the world, for that matter).
I may be wrong, but it seems like American Jews tend to skew fairly left-leaning? I'm not sure if that's just because many of the more conservative/orthodox Jews moved to Israel or some other reason (like the fact that their culture places a high value on education, and higher education tends to cause people to lean left), but it's fairly consistent in my experience.
@@idontwantahandlethoughmany u.s. Jews want an immediate ceasefire but there are also many jewish organizations in the u.s. support Israel's current strategy.
Qorantos: argues that Israel isn't doing enough to let civilizans get out of the way before a bomb
Also Qorantos: argues that the same method lets Hamas itself get out of the way before a bomb
Those aren't mutually exclusive whatsoever, so I'm not sure what the problem is here.
Unless you want Palestinians to die more so we can get Hamas?
@@donovan4222 It's ethnic cleansing, not genocide. They are markedly different things.
@@donovan4222 If you don't know the difference feel free to Google it
@@donovan4222crazy… I think their population has doubled over the years. Isreal must really suck at performing a genocide.
@@donovan4222 If Israel has been genociding palestinians, how come their population keeps rising yearly?
Q: Damn near everything is acceptable when you're fighting against your oppressors
Also Q: You think there aren't some moderate political parties that wouldn't commit wholesale slaughter?
It's the double-think that really irritates me. Excusing and advocating for extreme violence while simultaneously insisting the exact same people will be endlessly benevolent just reeks of trying to hold every moral high ground at once and accept zero L's.
Bibi and Hamas need eachother to stay relevent. The rightwing government needs to go and Hamas needs to go. There is a reason all of Palestines neighbors go out of their way to keep Hamas out.
it doesn't matter if you start will condemning hamas if you then spend the next hour giving reasons why what they did was okay
That's exactly my issue with these statements. It's the "I'm not racist, but-" argument.
"I condemn Hamas, but can you REALLY blame them? After everything Israel's done?" is 100% legitimization of killing of innocent people, and honestly Quorantos is absolutely high on something if he thinks that that kind of thinking - that the innocent Israelis that died on October 7th "deserved it" in any moral sense, aligns with his belief that some magnanimous, peaceful country can be born within Israel as a result of a bloody conquest by Muslim countries.
It's really important to remember this. They broke the fence, they had hours to do whatever they wanted to, and they defaulted to slaughtering civilians, by choice. They could have simply broken free, had a conversation with people, beg for help as an oppressed Gazan. Hell, they could have only gone after IDF bases, the military forces oppressing them. Instead, they killed literally everyone they could have, including Arabs and Beduins.
As a Turk, this guy made my brain hurt. He knows nothing of history, he has the 'Islamist' accent to the max, and like...this is nonsense, especially what he thinks what 'Palestine' was like under the Ottomans.
Mate, when Quiznos brings up Salah-a-din as an argument in discussion of current day geopolitics I know he is trolling and I do not have to take seriously any shit he says.
Does Q ever answer any of your questions?
Yes. He answered plenty. He just didnt answer the way you wanted. That's a YOU problem
Q seems super ideologically captured in this
U earned a subscriber, very calm discussion. Sometimes i don't like it when destiny starts screaming
When wrong, shout louder. This makes you right back again.
Q is so bad faith its wild
Frfr, pivots like a ball player
We can all see a clear difference here: Lonerbox is motivated by getting details right no matter what events they’re talking about, while Quaranos is motivated by proving Israel is evil, no matter what rhetorical tricks he’ll end using to make that point. I’d like to congratulate Lonerbox for being level headed, precise and interested in the truth of the matter in most of the things he’s breaking down or analysing! 👏
2 minutes in. yep they're solving this conflict. its happening. we've reached the answer
It’s crazy how bad Qorantos is at engaging with hypotheticals. It’s like he doesn’t even know what they’re for. Literally “but I did have breakfast” tier debate from him here.
>if all the muslim world got together they could overpower and defeat Israel
does he know ?
Wow, fantastic job. You absolutely destroyed him in this debate. Proud to see a fellow Scot with such logical and reasonable takes!
Suddenly I feel like getting some Quiznos or Subway. I'm hungry
WE LOVE THE SUBS
CAUSE THEY ARE GOOOOD TO US
THE QUIZNO'S SUBS!
@@idontwantahandlethough (record scratch)
TOASTED BREAD AND MELTED CHEESE, Quiznos!!!
Lonerbox. you make a lot of good points, but you also use this "recognition" thing as an argument. it's really wild. I think you are truly anti-palestine.
lonerbox arguments kinda make me mad. if America were founded in 1948 yes it should for sure be given back to the natives. As time goes on, rules change.
Loner is the drummer of Better Lovers
Lonerbox really said both sides have been represented equally. Come on dude. Have you not seen the MSM headlines? You also used whataboutism when Q mentioned Palestinians being asked to condem Hamas, it was odd. I get being objective but that was weird for me. There's been a clear pro Israeli bias in the majority of MSM outlets. Beyond that I did appreciate the debate.
Comparing Hamas to Ukraine is so fking disgusting
I don’t know why I clicked on this… I feel the brain cells leaving my body.
Damn I really hoped I could escape Q by leaving the D orbit and coming here.
Q's orbit travels far to everyone's discontent
Lonerbox is literally a destiny orbiter
It's the ending of the Mark Wahlberg version of _Planet of the Apes_
LonerBox handled Q here, obviously - he just needs to make sure he forces concessions because he took like 20 Ws in a row and let Q keep bouncing around without ever acknowledging them.
4thot is the only non-redacted destiny employee
Bro Iran literally prayed for the death of every Jew in Israel in their government halls, and they will have huge control over any military operation that conquers Israel. The idea that it wouldn’t lead to a holocaust is completely ridiculous.
Good conversation…
has qortonos really condemned the hamas terrorist attacks? can someone confirm?
Why do you need him to codemn anyone? He's a streamer. It literally makes no difference to anything
@@franklingoodwin it matters because he said he condemned the attacks. I want to see if he is honest
"No country but Israel has ever been safe for the Jews".
Welcome to Zionism, Q. Glad to have you aboard.
That went way better than i thought based on title.
28: Thank you for reminding Israelis why they must be strong and not give up. And why are they paranoid and rightly so
Never trust the words of someone that has so little conviction in their beliefs that they cant show their face.
lmao, his mask its just a character for the stream
I dont think its that deep
What did he say that was wrong?
He likes.the mask because it emphasizes his DSLs
Or may be, just may he's trying to dodge the FBI watchlist
Feel free to post your face guynumber2967
Insane to say "does intent matter" as if Israel's intentions have ever been good
45:00 There is a small power plant in Gaza that supplies a third of the consumption, the rest of the electricity they received from Israel. As of October 7, Israel stopped supplying electricity to Gaza. Do you think Israel should supply Gaza with electricity after Hamas who controls Gaza invaded Israel, murdered 1200 people and kidnapped 250? Will the state you live in do this?
I think Israel should stop bombing their powerplants
Please bring someone who has studied the history of this region for decades like Norman Finkelstein or Ilan Pappe to educate yourself.
Imagine giving a single shit about boring historical arguments from 2000000000 years ago to settle a modern day issue
@@Zach0451 Vae victis
@@donovan4222 weird, because Israel isn't an ethnostate
@@donovan4222 They don't describe themselves that way at all.
200000000? try 75 years. history is context. @@Zach0451
i dont think qorantos knows malaysia's stance on hamas supporters, coz he might wanna tone it down a little while hes there
Q is definitely… something
Well done
the way he argues is so annoying he dont have control over his emotions, raising his voice and being agitated for no reason,
"There isnt a single country in history that hasnt treated the jews like shit"
Yeah
Thats the whole point
Yeah it's almost like that's the reason they wanted a country for themselves or something.
@@SeruraRenge11and they did that by displacing millions and killing tens of thousands of innocent civilians so they could have the “religious homeland”, when the nazis were already gone and they had europe and especially america to live normal lives. What is it with DGGers shilling for genocidal fanatics all of a sudden?
I actually like Q....but he def did call the Russia/Ukraine war a damn near 1 to 1 when he was talking to Destiny lol
Depends. The two armies are tactically more or less evenly matched in the here and now. Longterm, Russia is much larger.
Man oh man... the palestian cause is just blessed with the most effective PR experts.
this was great! you and q have a good dynamic lmao
That was actually less brain damaged than I was expecting
Either you believe all people have a right to national identity or no one has that right. But to be selective is racist.
The first time I saw Q it was him arguing that violence is justified against anyone who mocks or insults islam... absolut nutbag
Totally with Q on this matter !
Bro the Muslim nations have literally come together on several times and still lost to Israel. Are you ok?
Yes I'm sure this conversation with a guy who larps as an isis member is going to be very fruitful.
Georgia never had pogroms and jewish persecution btw
Q has a problem understanding his feelings are not facts.. Gtfoh
And you zionists have a problem understanding that the bible is not the law
You’re speaking on so many things that haven’t even been verified yet?
Not the crossover I was expecting
That ending was the most wholesome ive ever seen Q
Gotta love how Qorantos is constantly shifting the goal post.
Dude is using Saladin as a shield but I highly doubt people who actually thought like Saladin would think Oct 7th was a good and moral idea.
“Debating”
Aussie jew who has never and never will have or want to live in Israel
Lonerbox is the besr geopolitics creator/streamer.
Love him
Twitter was more divided on that gold dress
So much denial about what Hamas literally openly and enthusiastically preaches
What is this Lebanese slander LMAO Leave My Ass Olone 😭
edit: This was an interesting conversation to listen to overall, I enjoyed it!
This is gonna be fun 👁️👄👁️
that burnt chicken nugget comment was really off color
Ski mask guy is extremely emotional and volatility. Zero logic.
Targeting troops and military installations and incidentally hitting civilians is morally different from deliberately targeting civilians.
The latter is a war crime. The former is not a war crime.
Qs question on when has Israel’s strategy of bombing Gaza worked is a question devoid of the recent history of the area. Israel/jews have tried since 1937 to negotiate terms on a 2 state solution. Arabs/Palestinians continue to reject terms and kill Jews instead. Alternative strategies have been tried.
I can tell you as a Jew it's not fun being a jew anywhere
LonerBox ❤
Yeah, even if we assume good faith on both sides, this was pretty dodge-y. Not as bad as some other debates at least.
Why I'm here? FOR WAR?!
Why would they fire the rockets from the same building they store them. Why wouldnt they fire then leave
We need to get Boxman a gaggle of mentally wobbly women and the transition will be completed 😈
well at least lonerbox is a simp for the war crimes Israels doing like Destiny. I can't even watch Destiny rn without getting bummed out by him and his entire comment section.
UA-cam Hanzi from the howard stern show. This guy is exactly the same as him
It’s Quiznos. Of course he’s going to endose jihad.
Haza ... q is pro Hamas
meh i feel like he wasnt willing to admit that jews havent faired well under ottoman rule / arab rule / persian rule etc