Camping and CPAP Part 2: Humidification and Battery Power Options
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- Опубліковано 22 сер 2024
- CPAP and Camping is explored again. This time with several power solutions. We also show a realistic and cost effective solution to getting humidification without draining your battery when camping. We also try math....which is always a disaster....
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hi jason iam in the trucking business and have moderate sleep apena and in order to keep my medical cert t be able to keep my commercial drivers license we have to use our machine atleast 4 hours 5 days a week have 70% used so as over the road truck drivers with cpap we have power interverters in our trucks to run cpap machine and they work great without killing battery
That’s where I am haven’t been camping in over ten years because of cpap. Thank you for the info.
You’re welcome!
I just got back from a 5 day excursion dry camping, no cpap, did not get a wink of sleep came back exhausted. Will definitely be taking your recommendations and some mask bright.
You are just in time with all this info...my neighborhood's power was out again last night and I had to sleep without cpap. I can no longer put off investing in a power supply. I would not have known where to start with this stuff without your videos.
I thought I was going to die laughing when those battery clamps shot off....! This video is awesome! I do not camp, because of the suffering factor, but when the power goes off during bad weather the battery solution is what I need. I can't tell you how many logs of sawing I do when snoring from power outages. This video could be a life saver for me and my husband and pets. Thank you for posting!
Love the comedy aspect of your highly educational videos. New to CPAP world. Super helpful content
Thanks for the great video. I have an AirCurve 10-ASV and use deep cycle batteries when I go camping. Been doing it for 15+ years, with previous CPAPs as well. I like to get into the wilderness, and backpacking is of course impossible, so I go canoe camping. I pack the batteries in big plastic buckets that will still float if we capsize (haven't yet...). I have 7 batteries at 26 lbs. each (182 lbs.). That weight is ridiculous for a long trip and I recently asked my doctor about the AirMini, which draws way less current, and would require far less battery weight, but she said it wouldn't work for my apnea, and she recommended a Jackery 240 power thing , similar to yours, plus a folding solar panel. I am going to first try the HME gizmo you featured, because that would save a lot of power-draw and extend the time my power source. I use a heated hose, and that also draws a lot of power. If the HME is almost as good as the machine's humidifier and heated hose, I may invest in the Jackery -- or whatever -- and give it a go. Thanks again!
Thanks for making this video!! Very helpful!!!
Use a little of Vicks vapor up each nasel passage Nd no need for water
Thank you for listing.the 12vdc current draw(0.7a). So the device gave power for 6 days of hours per?
I use Maxoak K6. Problem solved. Up to 5 days at 8 hours without humidifier and heated hose engaged.
Have you tested a Resmed Airmini with various battery options? I want to try the Airmini with that 100w Lithium Power station. I wonder if t would work well
A respiratory therapist told me that the HME will not work with CPAP mask because of the venting that's built into the mask. When someone's on the ventilator apparently it's very different than when using CPAP or BiPAP.
Lanky very entertaining video. I enjoy your sarcasm. However i have to correct your use of nomenclature on the batteries. On the marine side you have two types deep cycle and starting. Deep cycle means thicker plates and can be discharged 50 to 80% without damage. While starting batteries will typically sustain damage when discharged to 50%. Agm, flooded lead acid gel, nicad, and lithium refer to the chemistry inside the battery.
Recently we lost power due to a tornado. I called chip my guy at the Dme. He overnighted me a battery. It was cpap specific. I simply unplugged the wall wart from the cpap and plugged in the battety instead. Then to charge it back up i used the original wall warr from the CPAP. I sent it back when i got power restored but he said u could buy it for around 300. Thats way easier.
Have you seen the new portable ultra small cpap machines? I hear they have one the size of a coke can that you can use on an airplane. How bout a review?
The batteries you showed are not marine probably agm out of a ups or alarm system.
I just received the AirMini a week ago. I’m working on it now. It is about the size of a coke can. I need to get the manual for it and dig in on what it can do. I’m supposed to get a Dreamstation Go as well.
Yes. It is AGM. I think I said that in the video when I was charging it. It is labeled as deep cycle AGM.
Thank you so much for making this video.
Well done ...throughly enjoy you humor ,thanks , off to the woods!
Forget lead acid anything..even gel and/or marine. But if you're 'camping' wouldn't you be in or near your vehicle? So, you plug into the vehicle. Now, if you're going to hike and camp..backpacking as it were..you don't have many choices. The Resmed Airmini with battery pack might be a solution for a couple of nights. But that's about it. HME is a good idea. And thanks for turning me onto that LiON pack. That'd be good for everyone to have for everybody in case of power outages.
Here is Resmed's guide to battery sizes for various CPAP models. Have found useful in figuring out how long a battery would last on a camping trip. Seems like you could also use for lithium battery packs.
www.resmed.com/us/dam/documents/articles/198103_battery-guide_glo_eng.pdf
That's me I don't know what to do about it so thank you because I'm ready to go thank u
The ResMed 90W AC to DC adapter for the AirSense 10 Autoset puts out 3.75A at 24V DC. This is clearly on the adapter label and is also found the label on the bottom of the machine itself. How do you get 5 amps from a 3.75 amp source and a 3.75 amp device? In other words, how does a 3.75 amp machine use 5 amps?
Another factor to consider in power usage is the pressure setting. ResMed has published a power guide with the ampere draw given for different pressure settings for the AirSense 10 Autoset. This is found on page 7 along with the amp-hour power source required for 8 hours of use. A little further down in this publication, there's also a chart for using an inverter.
More interestingly, even the ResMed chart indicates ampere draws greater than the 3.75 amps the 24V power supply is labeled with.
When you speak of using humidification devices, you need to know why heated humidification is used and why an HME is used in given respiratory situations; it's a matter of what's appropriate to use. Given that HME's are dependent upon exhaled air to capture the moisture and PAP devices all maintain pressure that is provided by airflow, where's the heat and moisture exchange occurring with your HME placement?
Good info thanks
Had to math some
The back of my S9 says combined 5A 24v
The brick to the wall says 90w…
Running DC by the mfg says (like on here) about DC 0.7 draw running barebones…
Just need to find a 5aH 24v output that can handle 8hrs of that…more math says about 200aH/night
So, ~300-400w unit should give days of sole use if ran dry and basic or about depleted in a night with all the bells and whistles
ResMed has a pdf about alternative/back up power to help iron out the draw and capacities of these machines.
I “lucked out” with a power pig of a machine, thank jeebus I haven’t thrown $$$ at an rv bank or genny (have to if you’re trying to run full system off 110plug). I will say that it’s worth $100 to get the right dc cables (mfg fir resmed says it bout every other line in the manual and after looking at numbers ya I’d say this is one of the rare times to get that exact bit they say for these machines…yes it’s 10-20 more than Amazon or cheaper than dirt but by the numbers I’ve seen the others not meeting the mfg numbers-check your rig throughly and get what it needs to match.
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Thanks for unraveling this spaghetti mess and doing the foot work. Saved me weeks of trial error just to put this face hugger on out in the sticks
You numbers are too high. I run a S10 for weeks on a Bluetti EB70 charge by using a 12 to 24V converter (5A model $12) and the 12V dc 5521 port on the solar generator with simple cables made myself plus a 8mm plug (that's what Resmed use on the S10, a 7909 DC plug $5). The Bluetti screen says the CPAP uses 8W. That's right, without heat and humidity, it's only 8W!!
The Bluetti EB70 has a 716Wh LiFePO4 battery inside, so on a full charge can run the Resmed almost 100 hours. DC-DC losses are tiny! I need to do a video on my channel about this.
My DC rigging cost me less than $30 for a part that Resmed charge over $100 for!
Hi, I have a question about HME, how do you use HME on a ResMed AirFit™ P10 Nasal Pillow CPAP Mask. i did not find an adapter for it. all i can come up is replacing the whole mask and tubing with travel tubing and use their proprietary HME which is known as HumidX Plus but it can get expensive. any advice?
Great stuff, thanks!
hey Lanky fyi the Maxoak K5 on Amazon is around $300 but it comes with a adapter that "tricks" the Resmed into thinking it's using one of its AC/DC converters... less bulky... no bulky power brick needed if you use this.
Being an ex-electronic technician, I go with thw deep cycle battery's
How effective is the heat/moister exchanger with the DreamWear mask, especially considering the vent in the nasal cushion? I use a DreamStation and I'm a frequent traveler. And I'm looking to reduce the amount of CPAP gear I travel with. If I can leave the humidifier at home, it would be helpful.
So I got one of the battery units to take with me overseas because the power will sometimes go off. I needed a UPS, which, when I saw you mention that feature was a selling point to me because I've been to the country before and the power will randomly drop sometimes. I was reading the manual and it seems that it's not a true UPS in that I could leave it plugged in all the time but for emergencies only or when the power goes out which means I would have to unplug the cpap from the wall and plug it into the battery unit. Would I be better off getting a regular ups?
They have way bigger lithium batteries on Amazon. I'm looking at a $259 Rockpal that has 280Wh and includes a 12 and 24 DC out. Maybe you wouldn't even need that adapter to run that S10. For twice that price you get a 510 Wh version. Probably still weighs less than that car battery but has 14x the power. Marine batteries are expensive, BTW.
Hello their i saw this video but i saw a backup battery pack much cheaper then looking on the company to buy their backup battery pack but going back to the power bank that has different volt is it save buying battery backup as long for the volts that is for cause the cpap backup battery are too much for a person with a budget😀😊
I have the resperonics M series bipap machine. Can you refer a good battery for my machine? I don't know alot about these things. Thank you
As I commented in Part 1, I use a 12v outlet in my RV which is wired to the RV batteries. Thanks for the HME reminder as I bought some a few years back and forgot about them. They will help on the nights the RV gets down in the 40s inside.
Forgive my ignorance, but why do you need that big brick when going from DC through a converter to a DC device?
I have the same converter. It is a special, intelligent power supply/ voltage regulator for the CPAP, just like the AC power supply that comes with the machine when you plug it into the wall, except wired to use DC.
So does this adapter actually a regulated 12 volt unit if so it's worth the higher price as the straight adapter for the unit is around 14 $
Thanks dude. Very helpful.
Get a Goal Zero Lithium 1400 with the solar charger and you be able to run with heated humidifier all night. It is not cheap at all, but it works and you get your humidifier.
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Good information. Good video.
You crack me up!
I have a dreamstation and got the portable generator! And got it all plugged in, and my dreamstation say check power? Is there a way to over right it?
Pretty sure you have to get a grounding plug for the generator. It makes it think it's grounded and your cpap will work fine.
great video, checked your website great prices to bad you don't ship to the uk :(
We kind of do. You just need to use a US address service like myus.com.
@@Freecpapadvice great thanks will look into it at the end of the week. Thanks for letting me know have a good week man all the best
Oh, now you're mockin' the boondockin'. I see how it is. :-p
rts!! My man!! I’ve never heard the term before, so if I mock it, then it helps me commit it to memory. 😂.
It's all good. Thanks for helping folks out. I know you don't have to do what you do.
It's my pleasure. I appreciate you commenting and being part of this community. (any mockery is completely for fun. Like hot sauce for a video)
My wife and I use c paps so do we need two separate set ups?
You only need the one lithium battery, but a second cig lighter adapter for it. And of course, you need a 12v power adapter for each CPAP.
Lol that's exactly what my dad has been doing for 20 years with a boat battery he chgd with the truck for 20 years. 😅
5:57 lol!
So basically ... buy the cheap Amazon li-ion one and don't use a deep marine battery?
Don't Resmed also sell their own battery solutions? (which I guess are good but super expensive)
11:30 Did you seriously say that the lead acid pack has lower capacity? It holds almost 3x the amount of energy as the unit with the carry handle.
100-Watt Portable Generator Power Station, 40800mAh =151Wh @ 3lbs.
Mighty Max Battery ML35-12 - 12V 35AH = 420Wh @ 24lbs.
Yes the capacity is higher for the Lead Acid. But look at the weight! 8 times heavier! And no connections other than terminals. Whereas with the Lion pack you have 120VAC as well as 12 volt outputs. So if you carried the same WEIGHT as the Lead Acid battery you would get over 1200 Wh as opposed to 420Wh. Also, deep cycle batteries will fail after less than 100 cycles. Where as Lion can be cycled hundreds of times.
Another way of looking at it is that the Lion battery will give you 50 WH/lb whereas the Lead Acid will provide 17 WH/lb or about 3 times as much per pound.
Hey, it's a tradeoff. Energy density differences are well known (i.e. on Wikipedia). I'm just correcting an error here. Anyway, lots of people in RVs and trailers carry lead acid. It's much cheaper!
Since you have a 110 plug on your small battery why use all those adapters? Just plug right in. I have a System One myself and use a 400 Watt $25 Duracell inverter plugged into the 12 volt cigarette adapter in my Truck Camper. It works fine. Check out the video on my channel.
Dreamwear is a really bad choice to use with a HME, so much moisture escapes through the slot under the nose.
Yup...mentioned that when I put it on. 😔.
Ideally you'd need an unvented mask with something like a Whisper swivel underneath. That way the setup for the Airmini series masks is recreated, i.e. they vent _under_ the HumidX attachment.
no help for us bipap users
Um......you can use a bilevel machine on these too. 😂
It's really pointless to mention "milliamphours" without the voltage. It's like saying "my swimming pool is x feet deep." It gives no information at all about how large the swimming pool is. For the interested reader: the black unit with the handle holds about 150 Whr, I asked in a previous video. The parallel lead acid batteries together hold 432 Whr.
Are you sure? Correct me if I’m wrong. In reading about this it is my understanding (just looked up again to be sure) that amp hours is the Capacity of the battery, and watt hours is the amount of energy that the battery can discharge, or the amount of work that can be done over a period of time (an hour). So to use your analogy it does say the size of the pool, but not how much water flows through the filter in a set amount of time. (At a draw of 0.7 amps this seemed like a moot point).
So it’s my understanding that it can discharge 400+ Whr or do more work over a period of time, but the capacity is less (36ah vs 40ah) than the other unit. (This goes to the other comment you posted about what was said at 11:30.).
The analogy is about the amount of water in the pool. The area is the missing key here: area multiplied by depth gives volume.
Think about the lead acid batteries like this: one holds 216 Whr. Thats because 12 * 18 = 216. When you put them together in series, you get (12 * 2) * 18 = 416 and when you have them parallel you get 12 * (2 * 18) = 416 (associativity of multiplication). The reason batteries are specified in Ah, is because of the Peukert effect. It's a "worst case scenario" performance measure. In fact, the capacity is generally higher if the current draw is lower than the "C value" (C = 18A for an 18 Ah battery)
Also, the Peukert effect only applies to Lead acid batteries, not to more modern Lithium chemistries.
Let me know if you can refute my statements :P
I can....not that I want to....I just want to get this right. 😄. I just spoke with our hospital “Biomed Jesus” about this. He’s saying you’re using watt hours incorrectly. It is a measure of power consumption of a device over a period of time and has nothing to do with the battery capacity. I see where you are having a problem with what I said. I was assuming 12v since that is what the CPAPs run on. He said the amps can reflect the capacity (or gas tank size) of the battery when you multiply by the voltage (like you show), but the answer is in watts, not watt hours.
Multiply that by the volts (12v) and you get number of Watts.
Watt hours is the amount of power consumption. You asked earlier what that is of the handheld device. It can discharge a max 150Wh (so several CPAPs without humidification can be used. The Watts the Lithium ion holds is 489.6W vs the Lead Acid at 432W (you multiplied incorrectly....I refute that statement 😜 😂).
Anyway, I see what you’re saying now. Thank you!
It seems your Biomed Jesus is not an electrician. He's not helping you to get it right.
> He’s saying you’re using watt hours incorrectly. It is a measure of power consumption of a device
No. A watt-hour is a measure of energy. Just stick into Google "1 Whr = " and it will say 3600 joules. That is because the unit W (watts) is defined as the rate of Joules per second. So multiply 1 Whr with 3600 seconds (one hour) and you get 3600 joules.
> and has nothing to do with the battery capacity
It does though, because we prize our batteries for their energy holding function.
> Multiply that by the volts (12v) and you get number of Watts.
Nope, you multiply ampere-hours with volts (forgetting that the voltage decreases relative to charge state) to arrive at the watt-hours since voltampere = watt in the case of Direct Current (AC is a different story).
> Watt hours is the amount of power consumption
No, watthours is a measure of energy.
Your last sentence is completely nonsensical. Talk to a real electrician, he/she will corroborate my statements. The descriptions of different units of measure can be verified in Wikipedia.
In particular "The Watts the Lithium ion holds is 489.6W vs the Lead Acid at 432W" is bizarre. If batteries hold "x W" how much does your 800 W (supposedly) vacuum cleaner hold? xD
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Ironic twist: I feel the same way about your comment. 🤔