Legions Imperialis Battle Report - 1200 Points - Raven Guard vs Sons of Horus - Walk & Talk Through
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- Опубліковано 2 лют 2024
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Welcome to another Legions Bat Rep, Steve brings his Raven guard in his first full game and we thought we'd do a full bat rep talking through the game to help us and you learn (especially with your comments).
Our next games after this we'll start overviewing more to get vid times down.
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Errata:
We cut a corner when we garrisoned a building after disembarkation. You can garrison once the infantry unit has finished it's activation not when it disembarks.
Yes we're quite casual with things like distance from Rhinos and moving into base with buildings.
Steve's terminators started in a building. Per P72, you can only deploy garrisoning a building if it's completely within your deployment zone. I Do not know if infiltration trumps this as it says "anywhere" on the battlefield?
Titans can split fire with weapons. You only need to spilt fire with targets 4" away if it's dice from the same weapon
You can't deploy inside a structure on infiltrate, it's one of the few limits on infiltrate, of which there sorta should be more and I play raven guard.
I've been house ruling you can infiltrate inside buildings or terrain, makes sense to me
It’s really unclear as to whether infiltrators can garrison or not. I’m inclined to think the intent is that they can, but would be great if GW clarified.
@@macdmacd3358 They can't, a structure has to be entirely within a player's deployment zone to be able to be occupied during deployment, so infiltrators can only do that if they're being placed in their own deployment zone in a structure entirely within the deployment zone.
That’s one interpretation of the rules. The other is that the normal garrison rule applies to infantry who have to deploy in their own deployment zone, and that as the infiltrate ability allows you to deploy anywhere, it allows them to deploy in buildings outside the deployment zone.
I do absolutely love this game. From my own games I've learned 3 things.
1. Infantry are an absolute must. I honestly thought I could get away with minimum Infantry numbers, maxing out on tanks etc. Boy was I wrong, especially in full city boards.
2. Titans live up to the name GOD-Engines. Have you guys used Warlords or reavers yet? Apocalypse missile launchers are INSANELY good.
3. When it comes to air power, you need to commit to the game. I have an Air Assault formation in my Iron Warriors. 2 thunder Hawks, 2 storm eagles, 6 Xiphons.
We've filmed a game with two Warlords and I tried a tank company with very little infantry 👍🏻
@Tabletop_Standard oh I can't wait to see the two warlord game
@thehandoftheking3314 I'm just editing it in the next week or so, it will be a Patreon exclusive as it stands due to a filming day being cancelled due to illness
Great content at your channel. What I like most as a former FoW Player is, that your tankmplatoons don't look like parking lots in the barracks of a tank regiment. Keep those distances...😂
Great bat rep. Really enjoyed watching. Thanks a lot.
You're welcome. Thanks for tuning in 😀
I'm going to watch this while I work on my army later on today. I really enjoyed what I've watched so far, and have totally smashed that subscribe button.
Cheers bud, much appreciated. Thanks for supporting the channel
Nailed the formatting, great idea with the objective tokens.
Keep it going guys 😁
Cheers mate. Next rep will be straight up play so less chat and less run time. Glad you enjoyed it
Please do a rule by rule play video set, you're the only channel I trust with the duty. Great video as usual
Cheers Red. As much as I'd love to do more things like that. I just don't have the time with a young family and work. But who knows? The AT one was done purely due to the lockdowns (and I was still going to work) but I appreciate the compliment
Another great battle report. I keep learning as I watch you guys play adding to my knowledge from my own games. Really enjoy your format. Keep up the great work.
Thanks very much 🙂
Nice batrep guys! I wnjoyed your AT content and look forward to following more Legions.
😊
Ive played a few games now and watched this over a few sessions. The kratos, had it survived the dreadnought assault, wouldnt have been able to shoot the dreads. While the kratos was only engaged and could shoot, the dreads were engaged and pinned and so were not a valid target for shots.
Great content!! Thanks for the batrep!
My pleasure, glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching
First Limp batrep I watch! Well done, it does give a feel of how the game does. While AT is definitely my favourite game, I´ll enjoy watching these as well.
Cheers mate. We'll be doing some more AT very soon!
Great Bat Rep guys, really enjoyed it, will help me with my first game today. I like that it’s objective based and think that this was well demonstrated. Definitely the best LI reports out there. Shame there are not more like you 🙂
Cheers mate. Glad you enjoyed it... I'm actually not 100% sold on the way LI handles objectives but more games need to be played 🤔
@@Tabletop_Standard I’ve not played since space marine, currently play a lot of Star Wars legion, also totally objective based which I love, so suppose it’s pointing towards something I already enjoy. Will see how I feel with a few games under my belt in the next few weeks.
@@crainialpressure I like objective based, I'm just not 100 sold on "sticky" objectives after a few games. Bit purely down to a lack of games and experience
Great report! Your buddy Steve needs to burn his dice!!!
Afraid he can't do that, they're my dice 😁
@Tabletop_Standard that's as good of a reason as any ive heard! Thanks for the report, I enjoy listening while I'm painting my EPIC World Eaters!
After three games we’ve found missile launcher support units are currently king of the battlefield. Long range, can take advantage of buildings defensively while ignoring them when shooting and good vs both armor and infantry. The only thing they don’t have is Skyfire.
Yeah I think Tony is in the process of adding a F more rocket teams.
Yeah and its insane how many you can take in one formation, like 48+ bases of missiles, oof
Now as an imperial fists player imagine them all on first fire! 😈
@@Ninjagosplat1991 yeah. Truly not all the legion traits are balanced.
47min: the rhinos that marched can't fire point defence in combat phase. You can fire point defence in movement phase before or after move, on advance or march order, OR during the combat phase. Only units with an Advance order can be selected to shoot in Advance Fire stgae (page 55).
Nice bat rep, very clear and we can keep track, which isn't always easy with LI.
Probably just forgot I'd already fired them to be honest. Filming, coaching Steve and trying to play all at once. Obviously missed it editing too it seems 🙂
No worries, this was a great game. We all make mistakes in the heat of the moment. I played 8 games with my son and we have 95% of the time forgotten about his legion's ability.
It is easier to see rules mistakes in others when you're just watching.
Couldn't agree more. I've had some terrible cringe moments editing vids and a few have not made it to the screen because of it 🙃
Shared amongst the epic fb groups. Hopefully, 5k subs will be hit
Cheers mate. Much appreciated ☺️
@@Tabletop_Standard almost there
😅 Nearly! I won't make a big deal out of it but I will thank you for the push. It takes on average 100 hits before we get a sub 🤣
Another great video!
Thank you. Next game will be just play less chat, so more points smaller run time
Keep in mind Point Defense is a lot better than you guys think. It allows you to fire your heavy bolters at the beginning or end of your activation in the movement phase, as well as allowing you to overwatch at full bs. Point defense weapons have been pretty disruptive and game shaping in our games so far.
We're fully aware of all this but thanks ☺️
Usually put off by BR that last more than 90 minutes. V happy I stuck with this one. Explained the rules, was engaging and was close... Best type of BR. Literally sat throught the whole of it assembling my Spartan Tanks and support for the Astartes
Cheers, glad you enjoyed it. Going forward we'll be doing a lot more overviews etc keeping run times down. We just thought as a new game it would be good to do a walk through. To help us as well as the viewers
its a nice table, its realy nice to see what a battlefield mat can do.
Thanks 😁
You guys gotta do a Legions imperialis: Titan Death game with the new rules ASAP. I'm dying to see a game of it.
Don't worry we will be 😄
What a great game guys! Try to remember to use your rhinos as rolling cover and not leave your squishy guys staring down tank barrels.
Can’t wait for the next one!
Cheers mate. Yeah Rhinos have some worth. Also non mounted infantry marching is maybe a way to go too. More games need to be played!
nice report gentleman
Glad you enjoyed, thanks.
Id say most space marine infantry just dont feel right. Itd be nice for them all to go up 1 armor and CAF. Even if a decent bit more points, theyre supposed to be super soldiers!
I know what you mean. I think the fact marines are legion in this time period may have something to do with it? Who can say?
Terminators really don't feel like terminators in this game compared to old Epic. For some reason, every game of LI that I have seen with a titan in it, they just get ignored the entire game. I think that is why in Epic Armageddon one of the standard mission goals was destroying the enemy's highest point value unit.
Yeah they really don't. I'd rather they have the double save rule, Armoured is it vs light weapons? We will at some point play the epic Armageddon match play mission with legions
@@Tabletop_Standardthis is the way I think. The EA missions are perfect. I am totally against progressive scoring forcing you to suicide units to capture objectives
@1:54:43 Steve has just made a mistake here. As nice as killing the Predators on the objective would be, instead he should have activated his infantry (unless I'm wrong and they dont have a Commander over there?) As they could have given the Predators a March Order and got them within 3" to take the central objective.
That said, if he goes on to kill the Warhound it's a moral victory... 😂
If its a tactical mistake I can handle that 😁
Nice!
Thanks, enjoy!
Some of those dice need to be binned XD
We're dice cursed 😁
Great game, thanks for the video! Any thoughts on preference of match ups? SM vs SM, SA vs SA or SA vs SM?
Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it. No preference at all, just cobbling games together with what we've got currently. I was really hoping for the new book to start adding new units and combos
T1with soh rhino and tacticals worrying about getting charged. Alternative idea could be just march within 4",fire combi bolters, disembark and then if infantry charges even more shots(rerolls too for being soh). That can result in quite a few marines dying just to bolters.
Have found new respect for rhino shooting after realizing bolters and havocs can be shot in movement phase after march move
Yeah would have been interesting. I'll put more faith in mass Bolter fire in the future. Still massively finding my feet with it all.
I can see the whole point defense weapons firing separately and in separate phases than the main weapons easily causing confusion in large games. Detachments that have fired PD weapons earlier in the round will have to be tracked somehow. Not a problem if all they have is PD weapons but one vehicles with other weapons too. Perhaps simply one more unsightly token on the field cluttering things up.
@kurtl8425 😅 tokens tokens tokens!
Rhino bolters like tacticals and terminators also have assault so have double shots at half range.
@@hegemongarythat's why i said 4" :)
Got to try this today. 1st game after realizing potential. Didn't do much but that was because reaver, 6 malcadors and baneblade didnt have much else to shoot than poor rhino's 😅 but got fresh respect for havoc launcher.
Great game gents. I learned a lot however I am curious as to where did you get the flyer stand
Home made flying stands. Have a scroll through my community tab I've a full description in there 👍🏻
Roll on 5k!
2k next 😅
@Tabletop_Standard that means a warlord titan
Errrr, maybe 🤔 😁
I have that mat, its one of my favorites. Where did the road sections come from. They look really cool like futuristic roads. Also where is that extendable stand for the Xiphon from. I like the height it gives.
Did I not shout out the roads in the middle of the rep? They're from Beowulf miniatures, link to website on the description. The flight stands I made. And there I made a post on the channel community tab 👍🏻
@@Tabletop_Standard you did, I commented before I got to that point.
Oh good. I was supposed to do it at the start but forgot 😁
for the life of me cnnot find the roads onm their site@@Tabletop_Standard
At 47 minutes you say you can reroll 1s on the rhinos bolter fire becuase of being within 6" but you have to be on a advance order to get that with SoH. Its SO restrictive it almost might as well not even have a legion rule as far as Ive seen so far from games ive played
Fair, what order was I on? 😅
I was under the impression the 4” rule for titan split fire was only if u split the dice for a single weapon. Other than that the targets can be more than 4” away to fire seperate weapon systems. Does that make sense?
Yes mate! Perfect sense. Thanks for that. I'll add it to my pinned errata, cheers good spot ta 👌🏻
for lascannons it 1 for hulmounted and 1 for sponsormounted for a total of 2 lascannon shots for your kratos
So an Acastus knight porphyron only has 2 attack with its magma cannon?
no, because in its weapon discription it say 2 twin-linked maga lascannons so it has 4 lascannon shots. sponson weapons are paired so it only gives you one lascannon shot. but thats how i read the rules and with gw you never know.
@geertbeekman8680 Have a look at the Kratos data sheet bud it's says 2 of the Hull mounted weapons
@Tabletop_Standard you are right it has two hull mounted lascannons so it has 3 lascannon shots
@@geertbeekman8680 Yup and the Hull mounted are accurate!
Just curious, where did you guys get those unit cards? I didnt buy the.boxset.
They were sold separately directly from the GW Web store
They where released at launch but sold out instantly. Unlikely to be done again.
There are 3rd party cards available
I’ve seen some on Etsy for $50 USD. Pretty steep price considering as soon as a new book/unit is released your card collection will be incomplete.
Weird question, but what size Trees do you guys use?
Good question, small! I took a punt on n guage trees I found on YT from China. Super cheap but work nicely
Is there a break down on the formations cauee tryna copy the raven one im at near 1300
Er, only what Steve says in the vid, I think it's a demi company and Armoured at this point till the new book and kits drop
I thought When you lose a combat you take a withdraw move not a morale test
Loser takes a morale check, if they fail they withdraw. P62 main rule book
the wiht dice rolled very good, and the black dice did terrible. thats not an even match :)
We'll swap next time 😁
I honestly think it's mistake to put all objective outside of buildings or cover because the game is about infantry assaulting positions like that.
Also, a lot of new players don't make use of Overwatch fire and considering anyone can do it at almost any time, it's worth trying out, especially from infantry.
It was just for this game to make things easier as a walk through game. Of course we'll be mixing it up an many way, objectives and lists
The rules actually state that objectives need to be flat on table and not on any terrain feature. Not that putting them on since buildings wouldn't work but you know how some people can be.
I find tracking formations tedious and almost impossible as the game scales up. The inordinate amount of space required to track individual formations dead piles and break numbers is sort of impossible in some stores where you already need to play on a 4x4 just to have enough sideboard to function. We already need space for detachments in structures on sideboard, as well as detachment in transports, and another dead pile for models that don't add to breaking points, it just become untenable as the game scales up. We've elected to just do a combined break point for the army. It's much less stress for me running potential events as I don't want to have to audit dead piles and police models all having unique identifiers that indicate their formation. When people start talking about coloured rubber bands to track this sort of thing I'm out lol.
😄 Yeah fair point, totally understandable. I have mentioned to BattleBling about possible formation tracker tool? Or maybe the list builder website guys can add one? There's quite a lot book keeping and tracking in this game for sure!
I am painting the units with company colours. This way demi company red and yellow or blue can be tracked
Yeah, this game is a table hog. With a 5x4 paying surface plus room for off table reserves, units mounted in transports, dead units, books and tokens as well as a place to roll dice it can be hard to find space for my cup of coffee.
@@niners.own.the.packers It doesn't fix needing a tonne of space on sideboard though
@@Tabletop_Standard I'd understand it if it was well conceived but it isn't and the don't give any methodology. Losing march order is basically it, no one even cares about first fire, it's basically only a morale thing. The other problem with formation markings is you're now stuck with that models only ever being in x formation which also seems like way too big an ask for all this book keeping and possible additional painting/modelling. Much easier to total all formations breaking points into 1 and just track that 1 number imo. The game is so top loaded anyway I get why people would want to break armies by formation but combined break is actually one thing that helps long play a little bit, and only a little really.
Less L.I.
More Net Epic Armageddon!
😅 Gotta ride the hype train for a bit
nice battle report, but I started fast forwarding when the moaning and complaining of bad luck began from Steve, kind of took the fun away.
🤣 I'll deffo pass that on
That’s fair 😂. I was having a bad week outside of the game which probably accounted for my moaning, I’ll try and do better 😊
Another joke of a release from GW half arsed and i really wanted to like this as i have a massive epic army collection at but no way i can support GW anymore they priced me out with the box, no more entry level products at a reasonable price it's just give us all your money, The new tanks look like sh*t and 30 pounds for 10 plastic rhinos that are just the epic ones from 25 years ago, no new caste my metal ones look way better, shameless. They dont respect their fans or the material , oh and the new scaling , what a joke . clearly others feel the same 🔻 -80.00 (-0.80%)past 5 days RIP🤣 Its such a pity but when the money takes over, GW was a much better company when it was PLC damn good releases and boy was that box art good but now just a husk chasing the corporate bag, Was good while it lasted.