Legions Imperialis Battle Report - Imperial Fists vs Sons of Horus 1500 points
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- Опубліковано 20 сер 2024
- Hello UA-cam, welcome to our first bash at a Legions bat rep. We thought we'd start at 1500 points and our format isnt final so please give us feedback on everything from rules to how the video looked to run time etc etc just be kind its our first time!
Big love
Chris
RULES ERRATA
I BELIEVE FLYERS CAN COME ON AT ANY POINT IN THE MOVEMENT PHASE RATHER THAN AFTER ALL UNITS ON THE TABLE HAVE ACTIVATED
Love the pacing and chilled vibe of this report - both armies are stunning, it has me hyped to get my hands on the game myself! Excellent work, lads.
Thanks very much. Hope you enjoy it!
I'm so happy to see Legions Imperialis from Tabletop_Standard, keep up the good work, we at home are growing along with you!
Cheers mate much appreciated
When withdrawing after a lost combat, you can't flee off the table - you just stop when you come into contact with the table edge, unlike fleeing due to a morale check
Noted 👍🏻
This is needing an erata. I think they did it right.
@@TC-Apoc it's on page 62 - Withdraw. Last sentence of first bullet point: "If a model making a Withdrawal move moves into base contact with its battlefield edge, it stops moving"
Yep. Withdraw and fall backlng are 2 different things. Only fall back can run off board and can't end up fall back from combat
Thanks so much for the content! I’m obsessed with LImp right now. I need all the battle reports I can get.
#limp 😉 We'll be doing more. Our next vid will be a patreon affair for our lovely benefactors
Also, in the combat in the building, the 2v1 infantry fight there was a mistake. The sons of Horus should have had 3d6 on the second round of fighting because the imperials fist stand was fighting a second time and it represent him being exhausted. Same with the kratos vs the terminators, in the 2v1 fights, when the kratos is fighting the second stand the terminators should have 3d6 as well.
Oh aye. I had text over the video admitting this mistake
Been looking forwards to you guys getting this up, thanks! Look forwards to more with your usual batreps!
Cheers mate. Work in progress, hope you enjoy it
Also don’t forget point defense weapons can fire before or after a unit activation durning the movement phase. Like when the rhino had the lone assualt marine they could have fired at start of end of move. And if within 4 inches bolters get assault rule (double shots)
Not that it would have mattered, but the SoH Terminators in Turn 4 could have done a pile-in move when activated in the Movement phase. The Kratos would still have been able to move away, but worth noting for the future.
Good to have some LImp content!
I've got a couple games under my belt now too and both were pretty much decided by the end of the second turn. Thanks for the battlereport, looking forward to seeing more.
Wait until you see the next one 😅😅😅
Great video! Love the format. Fixed camera for movement and handheld for combat worked great. I personally preferred when you rolled the dice near the combat instead of in the tray, to keep the camera from whipping back and forth, or losing track of which units were involved when rolling lots of attacks. Looking forward to more videos, and I'm excited to check out your Epic, AT, and AI videos!
Yeah agree on the camera work. We'll keep the dice over the action. Thanks for tuning in
WOT YER LADZ CHATTIN BOUT! All that blather about not knowing if this video was going to turn out good or what not? My first time on channel. liked it so much got the Like, the comment, AND the sub! Great work
Thanks very much, glad you enjoyed it and thanks for the sub. Our next Legions vid didn't do quite as well 😅
Been waiting for these guys to unleash a report 😂
Hope you enjoy it. Much to improve upon
@@Tabletop_Standard theres no better way to spend a Saturday morning, just building up my army whilst watching.
Awww shucks ☺️
Brilliant batrep guys! You can tell you've actually read the rules (cough Ash at GMG cough). It was a crazy swingy game to the Fists but bloody brilliant. Can't wait to have a crack at it!
We read some 😅 ha ha cheers mate. We tried our best. Not bad for a weeks turn around. Much to remember and improve upon
@@Tabletop_Standard you did fantastic mate. Best one on here so far by a mile. And you didn't use Jink as an extra save like everyone else keeps doing for some reason. Praise the Emperor 😂
Additional save characteristic, not an additional save 😉
@@Tabletop_Standard YES! Is it so hard? 🤣🤣🤣
Great Bat rep. Really helping with learning the rules. Enjoying the Leg’Imp content. 👍
Glad you enjoyed it thanks. We should be filming a full 3k rep in the next week. And with a shorter run time hopefully
Glad to see you guys in full swing again! Missed your videos!
More on Patreon 😉
Awsome game...please do more battle reports. Great work guys
Don't worry we will 🙂
That was excellent, really enjoyed it! Man Chris you got hammered!! Looking forward to seeing more! All the best to you guys! ❤️
Cheers mate. I certainly did 😅 glad you enjoyed though
Definitely a more advanced game than most of gw offerings. Very epic like. You guys got through it pretty fast mainly because the traitors died of in the second turn. Broken system will likely be a pain if you are running multiple of similar formations.
Be interesting over time. To be fair, Armageddon was check victory conditions after round three so I think that could be a thing here. It's still so early. Our other two games were a lot closer
That's why 3k is recommended. You can fill out formations much easier so it's less of a problem. I know these guys don't seem keen for 3k but as more varied units come out, and you fill out formations, 3k will make sense.
I'm totally keen for 3k. Just not sure how I'll film it 😅
Seeing what a mess the rulebook is, I honestly don't think GW put that much thought into it. Im thinking it's going to more of a "fix it as we go" sort of situation.
@@dirtyhandskev it's really not that bad at all. Rules are pretty well explained and fairly clear.
Fortified the fortification. In typical Imperial Fists....LOVE IT!
19:56 if detachments in reserve are arriving this turn, like flyers, you don’t have to wait until the end of activations to select them.
Happy to see more battle reports for LI. Keep it up!
Yup, realised this and have it in the Video description rules errata 😁 No one ever reads the vid description 😅
@@Tabletop_StandardI didn’t come to UA-cam to use my reading’ eyes!
Great report, lovely armies, pretty table 😊
Not played yet so picked up a few pointers on army builds & game play. Many thanks, keep-’em coming.
Thanks very much glad you enjoyed it
My group is just picking up this game as well. Excited to learn with you guys as well.
That's great it's awesome. Our next vid is a walk through talk through game so hopefully that will help viewers and us.
Combat in buildings - every model counts as beeing in combat with every enemy model. When pairing models, you have to pair 1v1 until one side runs out, then create 2v1's etc, the playwe with priority creates the matchups I belive.
I’ve been waiting to see you folks play some LI. Thanks for all the great videos!
You mean playing LI badly? 😅
@@Tabletop_Standard better than I’d do! Love seeing Makabius on the table too, btw.
Cheers mate much appreciated
Very enjoyable for a 1st time viewer, keep it guys
Thank you. Long time subscriber hopefully 😅
Great stuff, really made me fired up for LIMP. Rules seem more like first edition Space Marine Epic than the second edition Armageddon-style rules, would be really interested in watching a vid on compare and contrast of the Armageddon and LIMP rules if you care to make it.
Yeah it's basically space marine with tweaks. I have a lot of requests to make that vid so I'll be looking into it
Thanks for putting this together
You're welcome. It's a work in progress 😅
Each kratos has 2 of the hull mounted Kratos las/autocannon.
So 2 weapons each with accurate.
Unlike sponsons.
Data sheet specifically states 2 of each
Good spot, noted 👍🏻
"old man wargaming" haha. nice batrep. cant wait for more! xiphons shoudl have gone straight after the Thawk!
Yeah I blew that a bit didn't I 😅
Finally picked up LIMP today mate and catching up on your battle rep. Putting your channel dice to good use
May they roll better for you than they do me 😅
Great work guys, loved your AT and enjoying your LI content. As an aside,wrecker close combat weapons have an ap as its relevant against buildings when making armour saves. Cheers!
Cheers bud glad you enjoyed it. Yeah we had a gander at the cc weapons a bit more after the game, rend and wrecker etc. Very cool 😎
@Tabletop_Standard hope your luck balances out and you get Tony back for the relative imbalance in the last AT and this bat rep Chris 🎲💩 😉😅
@darijast2901 I'm due one right? 😁
Ah great content and great to hear you're still doing EA too. Almost finished assembling my coreset so hoping to get some games soon
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it.. Once the we get a good run on Legions we'll get back to some EA, it's a classic! Our next vid will be a smaller walk through talk through game.
as far as i understand if you can only damage unit you can see, even though you can shoot at the Kratus detachment you can only damage the Kratus you can see, therefore if the second Kratus was completely out of view that could not be targeted
I think you are correct sir
Perfect thanks gents
This is also true when a Fists Predator gets killed in T1
Great battle report! I look forward to more. I'm afraid I can't offer any input, as I've not read the rules. My core box and baneblades are my Christmas present this year. Watching all the LI content is not making the wait any easier.
Glad you enjoyed it mate. It's fun from my first impressions. You'll be well into it in the new year :)
Kratos are amazing, I managed 2 games last weekend, used a unit of 6 both times and they were devastating both times. We also used a warmaster, and a warlord in different games, which was a learning experience....
Rhinos are good in that they have point defence on their bolters, meaning they can shoot in their movement phase which opens up some cheeky tactics!
Aye they are that! In big units too, we even missed some attacks as well ad they have 2 of the Hull mounted. I have a warmaster list for 3k. Titans are awesome
@@Tabletop_Standard warmaster is horrific. My kratos stripped all its void shields, and the next turn my opponent regenerated 10 back 😂 I love how they made titans so powerful but utterly useless for contesting objectives. It really makes them "ignore or engage".
@eddwilson1665 pure murderers! We just filmed an all engine battle.
@@Tabletop_Standard outstanding. I bet it edits down to 30 minutes or less 😂
@eddwilson1665 I'll find out soon enough 😁
Good report guys and I have big interest in Legions Imperialis.
It wasn't too long for movement included. I think the thoughts of the players is good as you move.
My only humble bit of a suggestion is you guys being mindful of declaring to the audience what you're moving. You mentioned "I'm gonna move these guys," as an example and such are the tiny sizes being viewed it isn't clear exactly what that detachment was. Especially for beginners.
But yeah, it was a good video and I shared it more thab once.
Cheers bud. Thanks for the feedback . I'm sure our narration will get better the more we get I sink with the format and the rules. Thanks again
@@Tabletop_Standard oh for sure. Throwing yourselves in the deep end but it worked so it's all good!
Hey the rules break down in a video series for us, you folks do great work
We're filming a small starter game vid so hopefully that will cover a lot. This game has a lot of rules! Glad you're enjoying the channel and thanks for tuning in
So glad to see you guys dipping into thiz
We'll be ballz deep into this 😉
So I’m currently on the fence with LI as I’m keen to get a real feel for its scale, tactical depth and how this really plays. Really enjoyed this first pilot, I like the fact that you explain what orders you’ve taken, and would love more discussion on tactics as you play.
Overhead camera works well for movement for sure.
Recognise it’s a big ask, but there’s a part of me that’s really intrigued as to how a full scale 3k game plays eventually…I’m keen to see what this game can really do before jumping in. Thanks for the effort so far.
We'll build up to 3k for sure. Just crawling before we can walk before we can run. I'm also sorry to say tactical advice may not be our strong suit on this channel 😅
To be fair. Yours is the best one I’ve seen so far! Just taking things through as you do is really informative and adds a lot more depth versus “im moving here and shooting this.” 😂 please keep it up. Thumbs up from me.
Much appreciated thanks
11:13:00. Player with initiative determines who fights who(same as when not-building if options).
Also might been just poor choice of wording but if det with charge order can't move to enemy with double move it doesn"t count as advance. You only move normal speed but can't shoot. You need commander to negate charge order
Lovely thanks
45:50 while the building full of Fists has no Engagement Zone, you can only move B2B with a Garrisoned Structure if on Charge Orders or you have a Wrecker (or a Titan)
Yup cheers bud 👍🏻
Great video and easy to follow along with you guys going over rules. Could I ask where the terrain is from?
Cheers bud, still a few minor glitches but it's not a how to just trying to iron it out with an audience. The terrain, crikey so.... Rocks Gamemat.eu, the Buildings GW, the roads Beowulf miniatures, the trees I made myself with N guage ebay trees and sand and flock paint etc.
@@Tabletop_Standard Sweet, thanks! I might have to grab a few tactical rocks for my board then. And please keep 'em coming, not too many LI plays out there.
Haha LImp. Glad I wasn’t the only one who thought that as well lol
It's a thing #limp 😄
I'm holding out hope that you guys would want to create a real city-scape battlefield - destructable buildings in AT is great fun, but not really a core mechanic. In Legion Imperialis it feels like a part of the core mechanics. In AT we have diffrent "stages" of damaged buildings, which is great fun but unreasonable to model several versions of the same building to keep swapping out during the battle. In Legion Imperialis it's a binary system, it's either a building or difficult terrain, and that's actually doable (I would use sprue lengths and bits to mark out the silhouette/footprint of a destroyed building)
We have a ton of buildings for a full city just waiting to be painted up!
25:40. Minor note but overwatch is -2 to hit so 2+ and 3+ won't hit on 6's. Also as accurate rerolls failed hit rolls those sicarans overwatching should reroll all missed main gun shots. Autocannon/heavy bolter sicarans dicy target to charge with infantry.
Yes but the Point Defence weapons dont have the -2
Really enjoyed the Bat Rep, think the format you used was good. Boy were those dice roll not kind to the SoH!
Glad you enjoyed thanks. The dice didn't help but still enjoyed the game
Really helpful video, can i ask where you got those flyer stands?
They're homemade. Have a look on the channel community tab and I've a post of what I used 🙂👍🏻
Great video, I really enjoyed it. I wondered how much was left to speed it up, I mean, how long was spent picking orders or checking rules? Also, where did you get the activation tokens, not the order tokens, but the ones you used to keep track of which units had moved etc
I'm not sure how long the footage was in total I do quite a bit of cutting? I personally don't mind the run time. The intro is 10 mins. The activated tokens are from counterattackbases.co.uk. Glad you enjoyed it
Format of the video was great, batrep itself was good too... Not sure exactly what the problem is but the voice audio was really hard to hear for me. Maybe Chris' voice is just too deep and manly but i had to put the captions on!
I'm afraid to say it purely down to my manliness, sorry. I'm actually not sure why that is mate but good to get feedback like that. I will and want to get better mics next year. These were a cheap experiment
where do you get the flying stand you used for the thunderhawk? that height makes it even more awesome!
Homemade, 4mm clear rod and clear base off ebay with an AI flight stand on top
The flying stands are very cool but what happens when you want to hover, become a skimmer, and you could be potentially hidden by terrain ha
@@short_yeti2058 we then put them on the smaller stands
Btw don't think 3k will be that bad. For one most infantry isn't on board at once. Transports, garrisons etc.
Also when gw releases more options people have more expensive units to choose. We have like 1/3 of early game. Haven't even bothered making 3k list as i know more units will be released taking points. Drop pods, bikes, glaive's etc
Oh I think 3k will be great and more. I'm really just thinking from a filming perspective
Hey pal! The video format looks great. I'm planning the same. Some inspiration you might like is from the channel "7th Son", in some of his War of the Roses videos he does a sped up movement clip, then goes into handheld / conversational detail for combat and shooting. I think it works quite well and worth checking out if you haven't seen it already.
Cheers mate. I've not seen 7th son. At this point I'm doing real time as the game is so new people can see whats going on and can help us with rules etc. I may do over views every few units and show actions like overwatch etc in the future. We'll see?
Guys! I'm missing titanicus.... Can we have more Giant Robots of Doom?)
Have you watched the AT vid I dropped a few days ago? Plus there's more on our Patreon
Epic scale is the best scale
Correct 😁
Hey super BatRep. I would be interested in a Comparison between this and NetEA. What do u like more and why (ruleswise).
Been asked this a lot. I'll look into it but it's hard enough to get the bat reps done. Totally noted though 👍🏻
Loving the battle report...in first assault marine charge on the third individual fight I believe you forgot on the bonus for having two stands vs one Sicaran...you won anyway so no game effect😀
Yeah we are a little sketchy on CC currently 😅
Actually you played that one correctly. The outnumbering dice only start to kick in after each individual fight is resolved. So if the outnumbered Sicaran had won against the first base the second assault marine would get an extra dice, but since the first base won the fight ended.
I'm not certain here but it looks as though when discussing the lists that you are counting Dedicated Transports towards a Formation's Break Point.
For clarity, while Transports ourchased from a Transport slot do count, Dedicated ones do not. (See page 129)
Good spot. We used a Limp list builder website which calculates break point. I think it includes the transports. Thanks for this
Great battle report. The armies looked awesome, and quite different from each other. Did I see 4 terminators to a stand, instead of 5? Possibly a cheeky move, I might want to copy.
I had 4 and Tony had 3 on his. These armies are well over a year old so we just put on bases what we fancied at the time.
Wow. Those armies look amazing! What a beautiful looking bat-rep. Did you paint the Sons of Horus models with contrast paints or using "normal" methods?
Thank you very much. The sons armour is painted with an airbrush with a few shades and a bit of simple weathering. The infantry are just painted, washed and a few details picked out
They look stunning and have inspired me to paint my own Sons of Horus Legions Imperialis force. @@Tabletop_Standard
How do you think it compared to the EA games you played? Im not sure its worth the jump, especially as they currently only have rules for maybe 1/10 of the unit roster
I'm enjoying it very much. The rules are quite slick and and lot little interactions that I'm starting to see now. The army lists will grow so I'm not worried about that plus there is plenty to get stuck into. The games are very different but also has the same feel. As it stands my first impressions are good
Not certain but when the Kratos shoot the Terminators they are using the 1-shot profile, this may be a mistake.
I *think* that you choose a fire mode, it is not a different mandatory profile for short range.
Just caught up with this. It appears you're right, good spot.
So far what I have seen of Limp, the game could really benefit from the standard tournament mission from Epic Armageddon and a larger standard table. I wouldn't even mind the old standard 4x6.
I reckon we'll even rep it one day 😉
What’s that hashtag? Grats on the amazing armies hard to ever find that many units
Do you mean #LIMP? 😄 short for Legions imperialis.
Looking forward to the 2026 FAQ. Also looking forward to Old World where it comes out and is never heard from again. This is the level of trust I have in GW.
Where did you get the gaming mat from? Looks great! Keep up the good content!
Good question, it's either a deepcut studio or Pwork wargames mat, not sure which? 🤔
great bat rep lads. learning with you? are we thinking AT is the better game or imperialis?
I think it's a bit like comparing apples to oranges
Source on those lovely flight stands?
Home made, clear bases and rods off ebay
Where did you get the flight stand for the thawk? I want something that has height
Have a gander in the community tab mate 😉👍🏻
Playing on a 5x4 and having enough sideboard is a problem for 6x4 board imo. I agree that 4x5 for 1000pts and up is probably best but there's a real logistical challenge with having enough sideboard to track what's in what structure and transport.
Agreed. That's why our armageddon games are played on a 5x4. But there seems like a lot less models for an 3k gane of Armageddon
Where did you get the orders tokens? its the one thing I dislike about the LI starter box so far
Art of war studios
Where did you guys get the really tall flying stands from?
Check out the channel community tab. I've made a post on it 👍🏻
@@Tabletop_Standard cheers, will do!
Someone point me in the direction of the super tall flight stands please
Home-made, clear rod and bases off ebay
would the sicarans be able to reroll 1s with the legion trait? If the assault marines were 6" away I'm not sure how the overwatch affects the rule (they had advance but lose it etc)
Yeah your right mate I'm just not going to remember everything after a couple of games with a camera in my hand 😁
@@Tabletop_Standardnah i wasnt trying to point out a mistake just more for myself lol
Much appreciated my man
Cheers
Enjoy 😁
Where are those flying stands from???
Homemade mate, ebay for clear rod and bases
Army's look awesome, But during the army intros there is a whistle that is uncomfortable. will skip ahead to game to see if it goes away.
That'll be the tradesmen working in the room behind us. I tried cutting it out as much as possible. They're we're supposed to be finished the week before 🙄
@@Tabletop_Standard yeah sound was fine for the battle.
@kazgroth1 Awesome, thank you
Great video. Just need to fix audio
Thanks. What needs a tweak audio wise?
To me it just seems to be slightly muffled. I really like how you guys broke things down but sometimes it just felt like maybe it was just the placement of your mics wasn't picking up as clearly.
That's fair. Thanks for the feedback. We need better ones really these were cheap
where did you get the terrain pieces?
Gamemat.eu for the rocks, the fortifications are oop. The compound homemade with some GW kits in it
@@Tabletop_Standardwhat's OOP. Really interested in those triangular buildings
@@wildkatze69 that'll be the triangular buildings. They're an oop set Gamemat.eu used to do
where did you get the leviathan dreads?
i need them too
i need them more
i am Iron warriors
i hate Imperial fists
Printed my friend
@@Tabletop_Standard and i had my hopes up for a timely release of the next already teasered Kits i mean i also need spartans
I only have 8boxes of infantry 2kratos 2 rhinos one Box of fire raptor one Box of acastus knights 2 warhounds 2 reavers and a warlord with quake cannon.
So i need more stuff to complement my batallion but at least i already have 32 Contemptor Dreads build and my 800 too 900 Astartes
It'll come mate. We have had these armies for well over year
Where did you get the leviathans? Can you tell us the actual height of them?
They're printed as much info as I have. Tony and Steve supply. I don't have any to hand to size up sorry
Ok tyvm. I'm dying to get my hands on just 1 so I can get an accurate scale. I've already had to toss about 3 detachments worth of termites and a pile of contemptors because the sizing was off. Have a few poses of Levi's that I have ready but need to get an accurate sizing.
@sephrus7784 Yeah, fair. Our scales have been pretty good so far. Our contemptors were a bit bigger, but for reps, no problem
Where did you get the leviathan dreads??
3d print land. Tony and Steve's domain
@@Tabletop_Standard they look better than the previewed ones :D!!
@@jaysonguerin8036 A lot of it is 😄
Camera too faar cant see anything
Bigger tv? 🤷🏼♂️
jink saves on flyers
You use the best save as far as we understand it
this is my understanding also@@Tabletop_Standard
@@Tabletop_Standardyou get to choose which save to use, generally the best one.
At least someone finally understands how jink works, all the other channels keep playing it wrong
It's confusingly worded in the rules@@TeAXIIIT13
Additional "characteristic" the key part. GW love doing this