Ferrari F40 or Lamborghini Countach? Talking car design with legendary designer, Frank Stephenson
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- Опубліковано 31 жов 2020
- Ferrari F40 or Lamborghini Countach? Which is the best design of these two iconic supercars? Legendary car designer, Frank Stephenson dropped by Harry's Garage recently to discuss car design and where sports cars go next. Treat this video as part vid, part podcast. If the feedback is goos, then expect some more on the channel sometime soon!
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WHAT A PLEASURE it was to join Harry on this episode! So enjoyable to talk with a consummate, passionate and knowledgeable colleague around our favourite subject! Definitely a day to remember - made me feel like I was a kid in a massive toy slash candy store. Serious case of drooling and bug eyes (thanks for editing that part out Harry!). Still gushing about the day in conversations with all my friends. The 2nd half of this will go live on my UA-cam channel this Thursday at 6PM U.K. time (ua-cam.com/users/FrankStephensonDesign). If you’re curious to see how I experiment with a “fine-tuning” of the legendary and sacrosanct F40 design, be sure to catch it. Hoping I don’t upset the Mafia or the Pope... 😉
LOL! Can't wait for part 2... 🤩
Pleasure all mine, Frank, loved catching up again and having a peak into the future of car design too. Look forward to watching your design review on the Ferrari F40 when it goes live on Thursday. Can't see much room for improvement there but no doubt you'll prove me wrong!
The two of my favourite youtube channels doing it together - 2020 isn't that bad after all. Grateful for the content, here's to many more. Cheers!
LEGENDS
Amazing to hear your thoughts Frank thanks for sharing the passion with us! Owned an R53 amazing car. Love your channel. Saludos de Sudamerica!
For a few weeks now Frank Stephenson is all over UA-cam
Stéphane Edouard, le pseudo psychologue suivit par les simples d'esprit. Que viens tu faire ici ? Allez hop ça dégage. Harry is way too classy for you my man, gtfo
@@waitbalthy6342 where is the salt coming from? who hurt you?
The high wing on the Daytona and Superbird worked and was adjustable.
One of the worse designers his career is dead
@Dev_Phoenix Roblox Ferrari 360 is the worst follow on imaginable from the F355. Agree with you on the P1 but the MC12 has aged awfully.
The Countachs’ shape is incredible. There’s nothing like it.
dated you mean :)
It looks like a humvee
Yes there is. Lego
It did what had to be done - break free from the perpetual coke-bottle curvature of the past - and brazenly introduced a new design language paradigm for the top sports cars.
That it was realized so dramatically and near-perfectly designed by a near-teenager is all the nuttier!
The Countach is a continuation of 1970s design. The F40 was a vision of the upcoming 1990s.
You’d really need to compare a Diablo with the F40 to be apples and apples.
He nearly did; well you were shown a pic anyway.
Even so.. the Diablo has no chance in this comparison. It's just a grown up countach. The F40 is a legend, period. From Lamborghini, I think there are 2 cars that really changed the game- The Miura - that was mindblowing when it came out ant then the Countach when it came out in the late 70's. Yeah, late 70's to see a countach was indeed something. After that all of their cars were better evolutions, but not legends. Still great cars that follow a good recipe for a supercar- Big NA engines in the back and a dramatic look. That's ok but it's no legend stuff sorry!
@@ripptorr F40 is the best looking car EVER, it's timeless. 😘
The man has a point.
The Countach concept is one of the first productioncars using this sharp styling, not really a continuation but more a trendsetter. The F40 shape is still family of the 308 family styling and much more conservative. So its actually the other way around. Also F40 and Diablo cant be compared. Completely different concept. F40 was engineered and designed as a racecar suitable for roaduse. Ultimate trackday weapon. The Diablo is a luxury extreme supercar for roaduse.
So Harry says, "today we're going to be joined by Frank Stephenson and have a chat about cars" Only Harry has friends of this caliber. Well done Harry.
He's just a friend. 'Calibre' suggests elitism, but l know what you meant.
He borrowed Jeremy Clarkson's Alfa GTV6 and referred to him as "a farmer down the road" 😂
My friends talk about Ford Focus or a bag of chips. Theyre crap friends.
I want friends like Harry’s.
Yes it's well presented by Harry.
@@edkramer5592 I think caliber suggests legendary people or people of quality. Frank is both, to car fans.
This channel is getting better and better, something I thought was impossible
Let's pray it doesn't get too much better, and end up like those anodyne, self-agrandising facepack celebrations of son wealth.
Who shall remain nameless.
incredible stuff fantastic content
@@edkramer5592 Me somebody?
@@jonathanpalmer155 if you like
That has got to be one of the most fascinating videos I've watched on car design and the future of cars. Superb, more please, Harry.
I agree, but it wasn’t just about the future of cars but also about the future of transportation.
The original countach without all the stuck on bits is achingly pretty.
Would not say "pretty." The E-Type was pretty. The 250 Lusso was pretty. The Miura was pretty. The Countach is more muscular!
You're right the Countach LP400 is a gorgeous design. Those are very rare though. The later versions may have the naughtyness due to the fleared wheel arches, air intakes and the rear spoiler but the original design by Gandini is timeless (minute 3:58 ). Also production techniques where not advanced enough for the original design leading to sharp edges at the front window line. Also the bottom rear would have looked much better if it was naked and you could see the rear tires, the rear differential and gearbox as well as suspension components.
I once liked it (as a teenager) but now I will never allow myself to love any design which uses a steep, flat windscreen, it's bad in every way - stylistically, aerodynamically and functionally (massive un-sighting by the A-pillars). Check out Koenigsegg (or even the Miura!) to see how it should be done.
M R A Scott that’s a ridiculous thought process, it’s like saying, and here is one for the kids, cindy Crawford isn’t pretty because of that mole.
Richard Mortimer the LP400 is pretty, like I say, before all the bits got stuck on.
‘I love the mesh’
‘I hate meshes’
‘I do too’
😅
I think that was more a comment on being able to see the exhaust and other components behind the mesh and not so much the mesh itself.
And then the P1 example, has mesh.. 🤷♂️
I feel like what Harry meant was he liked the open panel at the back and just accepted that the mesh was necessary to facilitate that. Then the other chap commented on the mesh itself.
Glass over the engine? Jaguar XJ13, 1966. Such a beautiful engine to display as well.
The XJ13 is stunning in the metal. Pride of place at Gaydon museum.
@@markgilbertson1564 I really must go there for a visit some day.
I'm in my upper 40's now. I think many my age grew up with the famous Lamborghini poster on the wall. Also, let's not forget the Cannonball Run blockbuster movie. If you were from that era then it will always be the Countach. You just had to live it. 👍
For Me it's The Gumball Rally and Ferrari Daytona spyder! 😎👌
@Seamus McShamish When it "flew over the water",that was 1989 Speed Zone(Unofficial The Cannonball Run 3)!
Also,Countach is 70s Car(designed in 71 and produced in 74),still popular in the 80s!! And F40 is 1987!! Still,they are Both ICONIC !!!
PS 1989 Speed Zone or Cannonball Fever!!
"Those are the people we need to eliminate from the gene pool." YES, a man who speaks honestly!
Best vid I've seen for ages. This guy carries through the childhood dream in car design into adulthood. A true artist and he seems like the kinda fella you would want to share a pint with. Good work Mr. Metcalfe!
The gills below the f40s wing is what gets me
The glimpse at the inside of the f40 is beautiful
@@davemeese6788 Fortunately Ferrari build quality has improved. F40 looks like a kit car close up. The sad thing is in 35 years of driving I have only seen one F40 and never spotted a Countach outside a motor show.
MARK GILBERTSON agreed, I saw an F40 parked up at a trackday at Knockhill a few years ago (i think Dario Franchitti’s) and it had the overwhelming look of a minimalist, somewhat tatty track rat. Not what I expected at all, killed the romance entirely
@@peterbett3076 OT, but a couple days ago I was in NYC SOHO (late 1800's buildings, very little traffic and all of it going very slowly) and heard a V8 burble, looked up and a white Aston Martin Lagonda, the insane wedge shaped one, going around the corner right in front of me. The last one I saw was in freeway traffic in LA in the 1970's, also white. Certainly one of the most distinctive and rare cars ever, and amazing to see on the street. It must cost about a Corolla a year to keep one going.
Fascinating interview and talk with two of the most insightful people on cars and design. Great to see this!
Watching these two talk about cars was the most enjoyable hour of the year.
For me it’s the Bedford Rascal
In its category, surely. It's nicely recognizable.
>>>/o/
I used to drive a Suzuki Supercarry 1.3. The little engine in that thing loved to rev. Was actually quite exciting to drive not gonna lie 😂.
The VAN of the GODS!!
A modern icon.
As a car designer, Frank is one of my idols. I had a chance to spend quite a bit of time chatting with him at the Mclaren tent during Monterey car week some years back. I was a design student then, and he was very gracious with his time, and offered to look at my sketches and give feedback. Thanks for this Harry!
I'm Italian and i felt so well respected and represented , Mr.Harry and Mr.Frank (and a lot of English people in general) have so much culture in italian cars history and cars in general, they are gold.
I love your discussions with the legendary Frank S, thank you for posting..... I just subscribed 🙏
"you can't beat a knob" - Frank Stephenson
you definitely can, my uncle taught me that
Puberty taught me otherwise
Tell my wife. Shes got tons of practice
@@-Window-Licker- Yeah, we all knew that Mark
Just got done beating my knob
Keep them coming Harry
Your films are one of the few Joy's I have during lockdown
My 2 favourite car 'UA-camrs'! Amazing to see them on the same video. Thanks, could have watched for hours!
Thank you Harry...subscribed. As close as I can get to checking off the bucket list...thank you again.
The first time I saw an f40 I fell in love with it immediately.
This is important to know.
@@johnsmith1474 😂😂😂😂
Yeah Ferrari know how design cars.
Another great video Harry. It's up there with the Gordon Murray interview. Great piece of work 👍🏼
That was one of your best Harry! Really enjoyed this video.
I really like this video format guys!! Utah looks awesome, well done!
what a treat! Two of the best car guys on UA-cam together discussing two of the most iconic cars of all time. Fantastic, Harry & Frank,
The automotive collaboration I knew I need it... Thank you! You both are the proof that "being a UA-camr" isn't just for young lads. You are killing it with the content you are uploading! Thanks to both of you!
👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 Great format!! Refreshing to see a designer share the stage with their creations. What a unique perspective that only Harry can bring us. More videos like this, please! 👍🏼
I really enjoyed the bit about the beer can Mini exhaust. Great story
Brilliant video Harry. I could listen to Frank for hours and hours. Harry, Frank and Ian together would be a mega night down the pub.
Love them both, but the F40 just is, & probably will always be, the ultimate supercar!
Epic vehicle. Always felt it was more of a track car than a super car. Guess it depends on you definition 🙂
Mclaren F1. Ultimate performance and usable everyday. The F40 is awesome but the F1- it will always be the ultimate supercar.
@@sage11x definitely up there! I’m not sure the F1s design language is exotic/ romantic enough to earn my top spot. If I were a computer it would surely have it though 😉 The F1 is a magnificent amalgamation of tremendous numbers and engineering prowess
And also the most beautiful car ever in My opinion
The F1 still looks more like a fighter jet and anything else IMO.
One of my favorite episodes of any car channel. An absolute pleasure to be a "virtual" fly on the wall for what looked like two friends talking about their shared passion.
The fastest hour of my life. What a wonderful video. I've had a 308 for 2 years and still stare at all the lines from different angles. I'm constantly finding new design characteristics to appreciate on her. Thanks again for sharing Harry!
Great channel. Much love from Trinidad and Tobago. 🇹🇹
Thank you, Harry, for this session with designer Frank Stephenson. Such insight. So informative. Brilliant. A much appreciated escape from the world.
Thank you for not mentioning the c word.
How cool was that! Stellar guest + great topic + Harry = A damn good, cheerful, interesting and happy episode! THX guys 👍🏼😃
Talking time with Harry, and the minutes are running so quickly!
This video is really near a hour long... It does not feel this long.
Two enthusiastic gentlemen talking about car design, brilliant education and entertainment!
Thank you so much for this great video with the legendary Frank Stephenson, I can't wait to see the F40 Video on his channel!
Stay healthy! Greetings from Austria 🇦🇹
Great video. The Lamborghini was disco, the F40 was rock n roll
So which one do you prefer?
@@stephen300o6 if I could take one home, I’d have the Ferrari F40
Led Zeppelin or The Bee Gees. Not difficult to choose.
I've never driven a Countach, but Ive driven an F40 and its my favourite car of all time driving wise. Totally mesmerising behind the wheel. My mate who owns it allowed me 3 laps of Brands Hatch, but I ended up doing 6, with him laughing because I just kept flying past with an insane grin on my face as he tried to get me in..
Totally loved this episode. Great little divergence Harry, and Frank - loved listening to your views and insights - top work gents, keep it up!!
Fascinating! Really great video, keep them coming Harry. Great job!
That Espada 😍 Just looking at it evokes thoughts of a drive along the Côte d'Azur on a sunny evening. Quite wonderful.
Been (im)patiently waiting for days. It’s finally here.
What a great video. Well done Harry to get this out there and so watchable as a conversation and not a presentation.
Informative and absolutely addictive - congratulations to you both!
I have been a Harry fan for a long time, and this was one of the most interesting videosdid not know of Frank Stephenson (my bad), and 2) the discussion on the future of car design and ) the length of the video to allow a decent discussion between two serious petrol heads. Loved it - well done, and thank you Harry and Frank
I wish I could give this video a triple like! Harry and Frank - it's like Batman and Spiderman of automotive world in one video 😎
Nice to invite my favorite (car)designer Frank. I got several of his car-designs in the garage in real life (Mini, F430, BMW).
I met him once at Pebble Beach talking to him about his 2nd passion; Guitars (hand-build) from Spain and of course watches...
It was the following year we both met you, at Gooding auction of Pebble Beach, next to a countach Periscopo, sold at $1,9 milj the next day.
I enjoyed the video very much (almost as much as your report on the Testarossa to Morocco ;-)) we talked about that time and your Mille Miglia in the 550 Maranello.
Fantastic interview. Very insightful. Love hearing both of your perspectives and the banter back and forth on car design and the future of the industry
Harry please invite mr Frank more often to discuss cars designs. What a great video this one was! Congrats!
14:40 almost fell out of my chair with how dead serious he said it LOOOL
Superb episode, Harry. I can listen and watch the great Frank Stephenson's creative mind at work for hours at a time. Mesmerising! Keep up the good work on the channel.
Stephenson is a legend with a great UA-cam channel.
Harry makes the best car videos on UA-cam IMO. Give he his channel everyday over some of these ‘younger’ you tubers who’re just seemingly about the likes and and buy a new car every 5 minutes.
They get bored easily, those 'poor' prodigals.
Okay boomer
@@mcorriette1 no boomers here, marcey.
Fascinating! Absorbing! Mind opening and challenging! More videos of this sort, please Harry.
A fantastic discuss, just fascinating, as illuminating as your interview with Prof Murray ! thank you Harry and Frank !!
Thank you for keeping it one hour long!
“...eliminate from the gene pool..” 😂
classic yank racism, or gung ho trying-to-impress parlance? Whatever, they sacked him and he went to Fiat
@@edkramer5592 Since when is ‘people who stick there hands on hot exhausts’ a race?
@@henryportwood9364 Well, I suppose Ed assumed we talked about Americans... 😂 "Objects in rear view mirror are closer than they appear."
@@edkramer5592 😂
@@edkramer5592
He wasn’t sacked.
Excellent video, have recently started reading more about car design, it's not talked about enough in the car world with so much focus on performance and technology. Really interesting to see the cars discussed from a designers perspective, including things like the mesh which we take for granted - never really thought that it could just 'not' be there. I have subbed to Franks channel and looking forward to watching his content. More of this please! Plenty of content of people reviewing cars (of course, this channel does it fantastically), but if you have the connections I find it really interesting to hear from 'inside' the car industry.
Harry, superbly done. Your videos are just a joy to watch - really compelling content.
That beer-exhaust story was pretty funny 😂
The words he's looking for are "Cars are becoming more of an appliance"
an easily disposable appliance.....
As always what a true joy to watch both of u guys talking about the car designs and its history, truly unique and wonderful show, thank you Harry ur the king.
Going from strength to strength Harry, this episode is up there with the best, I’ve admired Franks work for years, but to actually see him talk about it, I was transfixed 👏👏
This is so interesting, thank you Harry,
48:43 "You can't beat a knob" - Frank Stephenson :D
great video Harry. pls do more interview, car chats with people, it's really interesting and great content to break up the reviews. congrats
This is the best thing I've watched this year! Thanks Harry. Thanks Frank.
I was at the London Motor Show in 1987 - every year as my Uncle was the late David Jolliffe (ex Rob Walker Racing) he owned and ran Portman Lamborghini (Sole UK Lamborghini Concession) on George Street W1 for 31 years. See Supercar Classics ~ ‘Supercars I have Known’ article on David, September 1989 with Stirling Moss and his SLR on the cover well worth a read. I've been lucky enough to drive no end of Lamborghini and others. I worked for Davids friend David Stephens who owned Heathmans in Parsons Green (aged 18 for a few years 86/87/88/89/90) driving and selling newish/used and at the time classic Lambos and Maserati, De Tomaso Iso Griffo - all the great Italian cars and others (1950s Vette's, Modern Porsche all sorts). Countach was and is a fab distance car, crossing Europe as I did many times in one. The car other than the 288 GTO though and I mean THE CAR for me was and still is the F40. I saw that The Hairpin Company had this as I was looking only the last few days at F40's. Love the show Harry. Keep it up.
That's very satisfying, and l presume your name isn't really Archer.
That's a great story ! Not many, if any, could have the joy of driving these works of art ! And yes, on design alone the F40 is the beauty , the Countach the beast! Thanks for sharing.
A Marcello Gandini design (in this case the Countach) will almost always win, if we are judging on looks alone. Although the the designer of the F40, Signor Leonardo Fioravanti, is also one of the all-time great designers. The F40 would be the preferred car to drive though.
The most outrageous design vs the purest drive. Two cars that reached two separate pinnacles of what a supercar should be. Both are legends
Lonardo Fioravanti designed the 308/328/288 gto (and probably 512 bb too), in my opinion the purest, most brilliant unadulterated sport classic shape of all times
F40 looks much better for me.
Wow. What a treat - incredibly insightful. Thanks Harry!
Hi Harry, this type of interview with designers of iconic cars is priceless. It would be great to get Frank in again and compare other cars or perhaps a 430 and and you interview him on his design queues while walking around the car. Great work!!!
Perfect Sunday viewing 👌
his analogy of the countach as versace is spot on
That conversation was amusing. I really enjoyed that. Please keep doing it.
Fascinating, interesting, superb. Really, really enjoyed this. Thank you.
I can afford a Bburago model so I'll just buy both
I even have an F 50. Why not?
the funny thing is that I still have both... bought them new in the 90s... but the F40 is the only of my cars that I used to play with- because I thought it was so hideous that scratches didn't matter :)
@@olik136 sadly you've degraded the value of it by at least 3 dollars. When I was in italy I bought an F40 model so I can say I went to italy and bought a Ferrari.
@@raulio81 your collection must be worth tens of dollars like mine !
@@-Window-Licker- “went to Italy and bought a Ferrari” so very funny 😂
That beer can story was great!
After watching this i thought it was a 15 minute video! That's how interesting this was. I could listen to you two for days.
It is rare that I can hold a smile on my face for very long in 2020. But when I saw that this latest from Harry was 55 minutes long I was instantly happy and held that smile from start to finish. Great work once again, Mr. Metcalfe. Looking forward to more from Harry's Garage and Harry's Farm.
P.S. Countach in piemontese is literally "contagio" (contagion), which is indeed an exclamation like sacre bleu in french. Gandini explains it somewhere although that interview might be hard to find.
55 minutes of harry and stephenson? Must be christams today!
We absolutely loved this interview. Frank is such a knowledgeable and genuine fella, brilliant guy! Thank you so much as usual Harry.
What a great way to spend a Sunday afternoon - top stuff, Harry!
F40 for me Harry. 😁👍🚗
If I had a gun to my head, I'd have the Lamborghini. It's incredible looking and it looks like its going fast even when it's parked. I love Harry's car - those gold alloys look like something from Wacky races. Great video and conversation.
Outstanding video.
Very interesting, especially towards the end about the future of automobile design....
I love this guy, so genuine and passionate about design, great show Harry on this video.
The Countach and F40 are two totally different beasts.
You can't choose between them.
Indeed. I'll take both ;)
Doesn't matter anyway.
Completely agree..... surely it’s testarossa v countach.... the F40 was race focused. The F40 should be compared to 959 🙏
Sure I can. The countach.
This is why F40 cant be compared by any car:)
55 minutes is way too long......aaaand its over!
Loved this episode Harry.
That was a fascinating conversation. Well worth the watch. Thanks!
Fantastic insight into design, form over function. What a inspirational guy Frank Stephenson is.
I can't imagine the Countach having a transparent engine lid - it would look horrible imo. It flows so much better the way it is. It's more shapely.
About to watch this, looking forward to it to.
I will probably turn of once you start chatting about electric cars😥🙄
But even an awesome channel as harry's will make me give a toss about EVs.
EDIT. Ok so I watched it and did not turn of as soon as they started to speak about EVs. Mainly because this great designer is not a fan of them because he is a true Petrol head. Loved it 🤘
What a top class video for true car enthusiasts, hearing how much passion and in depth knowledge is being shared
Fascinating and compelling viewing - thanks so much for getting someone with Frank’s insight in. This was also the man who penned the original Escort Cosworth and wanted to put a triple tier wing on the back (because he liked the Fokker Triplane of WW1) but the bean counters stopped him - Legend! Please, please can we have a Harry’s Garage vid on that F40....?
When people say "if I won the lottery the car I would buy is" mine is definitely the F40.
Good choice mate I was at the 1987 London car show just a kid and we queued up for ages just to get near it was amazing just to see it in the flesh I just hope I'll be privilege one day to get even closer to one. I'd have to have an f40 if I was a billionaire and the McLaren F1 to go with it.👍
I found myself behind one in Guildford, I followed it for half an hour, bought a tear to the eye. Hair stood on end, mesmerized. World was better much better back then