Ferrari 365 GT/4 2+2 & Lamborghini Espada twin-test. One of these or a Daytona?
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- The Ferrari 365 GT/4 2+2 shares the same size V12 engine with the Ferrari Daytona and was more the expensive Ferrari when both were on sale new back in the early Seventies. Only 525 2+2 were produced, compared to 1,284 Daytonas.
It's closest rival back then was the Lamborghini Espada and in this video I test them back to back and try to see why this 365 GT/4 2+2 is one of the cheapest classic Ferraris available today. Thanks to The Hairpin Company for the loan of this car: www.thehairpincompany.co.uk/f...
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Harry: "There's a combine with tracks- very jealous." Guy driving combine: "There's a Lamborghini- very jealous."
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May have been a Lamborghini combine? ;)
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Clarkson's got a Lamborghini tractor, so nah nah nah nah nah!! 🤠
‘It’s a tough job but someone has to do it and all that...’. One of these please...
How are your furry little friends?
Believe it or not, I was in the Air France lounge yesterday, on my way to HK, and bumped into Iain Tyrrell coming back from South Africa. We had a nice chat about Harry’s Espada. And now I just arrived in my quarantine hotel room, where I’ll be confined for 14 days, a daunting prospect. But here I am with my cup noodles, checking what’s new on my channels and I find this ! Thanks Harry !
Brilliant!
Cool story! In case you need tips: Retropower, Carfection, Grind Hard Plumming, Peter Windsor, 44 Teeth, are some :)
I am in the market for 365/400/412 and is video has cemented my desire for Ferrari thanks Harry!
"I'm going too fast again. Going to have to cut that bit out." 😂
but he didnt did he
I wondered that :->
@@davidmg1925 As long as you don't see the speedo it's alright.
To anyone who appreciates good, crisp car design, the 365/400 series is one of the most beautiful 4 seater gts ever. So elegant, so practical.
Agreed, really feel like the 612 will go the same way in years to come
That's a stretch.
Beauty is in the eye i suppose. It really looks like a mix between an rx7 and an accord
Very good looking car. Better looking than a Fiat 130 coupe but not as pretty as a Lancia Gamma Coupe. They really are a fabulous looking car .
I've always appreciated it and never understood the hate it gets. It was a bit of a departure for Leonardo Fioravanti design wise but still elegant and understated. It was also the last car Enzo drove. The Leonardo Fioravanti era of Ferrari is my favorite era as that is what I grew up with. I don't even hate the Mondial as you're supposed to as a Farrari fan. Granted, it's my least favorite of his designs but he hit it out of the park with every other car he designed.
Harry again proving why his channel is one of the best!
Pininfarina at their peak, this along with the Fiat 130 Coupe and Peugeot 504 Coupe.
Neither the Fiat nor Peugeot are worth a second look. You are talking about body styling, right?
@@johnsmith1474 Dude, 504 Coupe is a gorgeous car.
@@BobSaint yeah I agree, the 504 coupe has such a clean line.
Peugeot 604 deserves a mention- a four door version of the Fiat 130 coupe. I once had the job of patching the exhaust on a 130 coupe. Job took ages- I decided it needed an extended road test, to assess the extent of the required repairs.
@footballcoreano Agree. My dad bought one directly after having had a Ferrari 400. Both lovely cars.
Espada will always be an absolute iconic design absolutely loved them since being a kid in the 70's, the Ferrari doesn't come close.
Agree to disagree 😊
Harry’s videos brighten my Sundays.
Those 365/400/412 Ferraris are so elegant, so beautiful. I'd love to see a Daytona review on Harry's Garage!
Love these old v12s. Sad to think that future generations will likely never appreciate or full understand the beauty of a ‘60’s/‘70’s Ferrari v12…….the power…the sound….the smell. It’s art…..and it deserves to be celebrated for eternity!
Good new! The younger generation have stepped up to the plate and shown strong support and have led the revival of these cast offs. Clearly they don’t mind paying for the acquisition and preservation that have resulted in the interest that all the generations can enjoy in their living rooms thanks to the professional media and collectors alike.
Harry’s road tests all ways bring back memories of when I was at school in Burford as he always seams to be stopped outside my old first year classroom, where I used to sit I was able to look past the teacher and look through the window and watch the cars going over the bridge.
Lovely summers day, two Italian 70's V12 sounding glorious on a twisty road. Completely forgot all my worries :)
Thank you Harry!
I love the way the numbe rplate is integrated into the design properly. No one does anything like that these days. A real attention to detail and super sharp looking. Makes a fantastic GT car.
They were much nicer looking number plates back then too! Now we just stick a horrid yellow plate on the back and it becomes the focal point rather than something integrated like you say. Down with that!
@@adamski101 Glad to read that, brother in arms! I emigrated out of The Netherlands when they switched to readable-from-space, fluorescent yellow McDonalds Drive-Thru plates. Whereas we had perfectly acceptable white on black plates but no, some civil servants have to start thinking up solutions to problems that weren't there in the first place. Even Pininfarina can't design something elegant with these roadworks scaffolding plates stuck on your car.
@@adamski101 I refuse to use a yellow number plate. I just have a black number plate with silver lettering on the rear and a stick on number plate on the front bonnet in black and silver lettering. Looks very smart. It passes it's MOT no problem which I find surprising but I guess they overlook it when it's a nice car.
@@adamski101 Silver on black number plates were illegal on cars in the UK form Jan '73, so middle of L reg. The law was mistakenly changed recently so that any car over 40 years old could have them, then it was changed almost back so that only 1979 or earlier can but not 1980 onwards. However having grown up around cars from early 70's on, they still look completely wrong on anything after 73. Yellow and white first appeared in 1967, so 67 to the end of 72 look right with either. If you have any classic car that is near standard looking, then surely it should look like it did when it was new, and to me and most people i know, that includes the number plates since they have to be fitted.
Barely. The plate is only given a reasonably natural looking position on the Ferrari, and then only at the rear.
Look at the CAR magazine cover. You can see the front plate on the Ferrari is as awkwardly conspicuous as it was on almost any other car of the era.
Great video, but to me the Espada will always be head and shoulders above the 400, quite simply because you couldn’t mistake it for anything else. Whilst Pininfarina may have had the modern edge, it’s a really handsome car, but the Espada is way more out there and the epitome of an Italian GT of it’s time. Bertone got it bang on!
I've always had a soft spot for the 400i. It was the first Ferrari I ever saw in real life and it really made an impression on my childhood love for cars.
I've always loved this underrated Ferrari, its styling is superb and is such good value as you say. I've had direct experience of this car way back in the late 70s when my elder brother had one (he was in advertising). It was in a lovely light metallic blue with blue leather interior. He turned up at my parents place with it one day where I was still living in my late teens, and threw the keys to me and said take it for a drive. He had a lot of faith in his little brother as he didn't accompany me! I was alone in this stunning car and swanned around the suburb, the whole time with my right foot trembling on the accelerator pedal, due I guess to a whole number of reasons... To a young driver who owned a beaten up Mini, it was quite an experience.
The Espada has always been on my wish list ever since they came out .
I never liked the styling though and as a Lamborghini owner, I contemplated buying one but didnt...never rode in one though or drove one, this video may have changed my mind...I may look for one now!
I think the styling is awkward. Harry loves his but I can never bring myself to fall for the Espada.
@@adamski101 you would fall for it if you see it! stunning car and lucky to have owned one
Enjoy the club😉
The Espada 24/7, it´s Sophia Loren on wheels!
Exactly
Yeah no, it's a Italian Built Volvo 240 DL wagon.
@@redmr2na huh?!
I'm a little disappointed to see the Espada being used in a comparison vid, before getting an episode of it's own post rebuild. It was fun to see your excitement at the new pistons and prospective increased readline when it was in process, I hope you take it on a trip for us and thus complete the rebuild story.
Good point, Harry lets have an episode devoted to this car we have watched come together over the last year or so, Iain and his boys have worked their magic on it and we want to see what you like, what you still would change and how this wonderful car is to drive over where it started out. I am guessing you have plans for something special in the future!
Agreed, I have been waiting for a post rebuild video, long road test to tell us how different it is. @harrys garage
Don't worry... He's not done with it...
Love this period and style of design - lancia gamma coupe, fiat 130 coupe and Rolls Royce Camargue - all beautiful
Yes, it was quite a succesful era in car design. Lots of succesful car styling studios like pininfarina, giugiaro, bertone, ghia, ital design, michelotti, etc. And both pininfarina and bertone were on the top of their game back then. But then again, there were hardly any restrictions/limitations with regard to crash safety.
Now theres a car to critique, Harry.. the Lancia Gamma Coupe ie....
@@joneldridge5513 I had a Gamma. It was a lovely car and it lasted for two whole weeks before one of the head gaskets failed
I had a Gamma Coupe and loved it. I spent a day with a 365GT4 2+2 and still think it was the highlight of my motoring life. But a Camargue - never. I'm sure Pininfarina got it right, but somewhere at Crewe (or Pressed Steel) the proportions went awry. I still look at 130 coupé's though!
Throw in a Bitter SC, almost a carbon copy of the Ferrari.
Thanks Harry, like you I got my Espada well before the value went mad, but I also have a 412 in my shed, love driving ether one, you're still doing better than me with the rest of your fleet, Rj in Oz
I'm a 412 owner, too (manual, of course). The bank balance won't stretch to an Espada but I'm not complaining, no other Ferrari I'd rather have!
That Espada is just so damned sweet! It may not be as refined as the Ferrari but I'll take the Espada all day long, every day.
Looks like a dodge
I was born in 1981, it's a little harder for me to return to the 70s
Watching your video on Sunday is already like a church ritual for me
Bummer, I was gonna gift you a ‘72 Dino, ha, ha!
Both of these vehicles just exude class, remnants of a golden age of motoring. Wonderful video as always, thank you Harry and son.
I love the NACA ducts on the hood of the Lamborghini, very sporty and functional
Love the Espada, that engine sound, wow.
I come for entertainment, but stay for the education. Thanks for sharing your wealth of knowledge Harry!
I remember seeing a 365 GT 4/ 2+2 in a magazine. I was teenager then and read that article so much the magazine fell apart. That is still one my favourite Ferraris . If my memory is correct it was that colour silver and had a tan leather interior.
Absolutely love the styling of the 365 and 400 coupes with tall greenhouse glass. Looks like ample leg room in back for adults too!
The Ferrari looks crude by Ferrari standards. Little flow, no curves.
Beautiful and very usable cars!
Things I loved about this video: Loved the wide-open roof of the Espada. Loved the suede dash on the 365… and I loved that HM wears a Panerai AND an Apple Watch at the same time. Kudos to you!
Dang! You're right! Totally overlooked it. Harry... a guy's guy!
Freaking Panerai spotter! Happy to see someone else notice that!
@@waclosh I saw the 390 a while ago… it was the Apple Watch AND the Panerai that got me.
The Ferrari for me. I've always been a big fan of the 365/400/412 series. An elegant, timeless design. The Espada has always been an oddball design in my eyes.
I think they were on Acid when they designed the Espada 😂
I love that Harry always wears an italian watch when reviewing the italian cars or Mille Miglia trip….Class
Remember the Lamborghini's engine is running virtually Miura specs, so if the Ferrari had a Daytona spec engine it would not feel quite as languid.
Rember Ian´s begging: "Please don´t take it to 9000. Yea it can, but..." :)
no Miura specs, the camshaft is Espada
@@roverwaters3875 Harry had it uprated to Miura specs.
@@richardharrold9736 no Miura specs, the camshaft is Espada
@@roverwaters3875 no, it has Miura cams in it now...
I would definitely take the Espada, because I have a Daytona in my Gran Turismo 6 garage...
In fantasyland, William Wallace was a hero.
@@johnsmith1474 Exactly!
I always loved those 365s when I was a kid growing up in the 70s. Thanks Harry.👍
I could just see in the Motor mag how much my first car was when new, a lowly Avenger DL at £951, second hand I paid £700.
Espada looked instantly to have a nicer driving position and sound too, it instantly made me smile.
Nice to see a bit of farming crossover.
Mind you with an Avenger there would be movement on bargaining on list price surely?
Wow! What a fantastic video. Two utterly gorgeous cars together. That’s one of your best, Harry. Thanks very much!
The guy in the Lamborghini jealous of the tracks on the combine. Gotta love Harry.
when you look up combine prices, you'll know, why 😁
@@AndrasMihalyi I hear that. Just funny the guy in the Lamborghini happens to be a farmer.
Beautifully put together, thank you, Harry. A wonderful watch.
My Dad had an automatic 400i from around 05 til 2012 I think. My mom hated it, he was a superhero in my eyes as I was 6 years old when he got it, and it was constantly broken. I remember my dad panicking every time he was driving it (which was rarely, the Ferrari garage probably did more mileage testing it after every repair then he ever did) as the passenger side footwell would soak up whenever there was a bit of rain. Had to sell it to pay for a family heirloom 190 Sl his favourite uncle owned for 30+ years, unfortunately at the time when they were ~25k€...
I can’t wait to tell my friend with a Morris Minor Traveller that his engine has the same compression ratio as a Ferrari!
Wondered why some have a horse sticker in the back window. 😂😃😂😃
It did when it started life knowing BMC not for long
@@darrenjones3681 😂😃😁😀😃😂😁😄😃😄😂😁
Cool story..
My truck has double the compression ratio of either of them. 17.5:1
I have always been a fan of the 365 - still a handsome shape.
Always been my 2nd fav Ferrari after the 308GT4.
Like this better than the 400 auto.
These videos are amazing
You’re right, its a tough job… The 365/400/412 are by far my favourite Ferraris. Thanks for this excellent review
If I had the money, I would have someone build a modern intepretation of the Ferrari built for me, I think the lines are stunning.
RestoMod?
@@jareknowak8712 I don't have the money so it's unlikely to ever happen. Forgive me if this is blasphemy, but I would do a restomod. I would want a more modern seating position, and a motor that gets double-digit gas mileage. No, it won't sound so glorious as a Ferrari 12-cylinder, but I would have a beautiful automobile that I can drive everyday.
@@johnv4866 I think you should check out Ferrari 412 by Ares design.
12:26 This is obviously somewhere from the Cotswolds, the beautiful heart of England, it is really a joy to watch Harry driving like this.
He usually drives down from the A40 through Burford and out along the A424 towards Stow on the Wold I think. There’s a bunch of great roads there on the way north across the Cotswolds. Remember it fondly. Then down over the edge and on to Evesham.
Harry, your Espada is one of the most beautiful cars I have ever seen. I loved them from the day they were released. Thanks for all your great videos.
high quality as always thanks a lot ! I've looking so much on the Espada during the re-built I've felt in love with it :)
My mum had a boyfriend (sugar daddy!) with an Espada. Red with gold Campagnolo Knock-offs. I adored that car and still have a soft spot for Espadas.
I do as well.....I used to own one.....Red with gold campagnolo knock-offs....i didn’t drive it too much tho...there was a young cutie I was dating at the time was driving it all the time
@@maidenrulz73... He'd be long dead now!!!
Espada, beautiful, elegant, interior, engine, what a stunning car!!
I loved the Marzal concept car from day 1, after that the Espada never really did it for me. However nice it actually is.
Really enjoy this format. Hope you can do more like this.
Blimey pioneer ts 168s not seen them for about 40 years. Incredible cars what a sense of theatre in them both. The glass roof is really remarkable. Enjoy your channel enormously. Thanks for a very ‘how it is’ approach.
Money no object, these are perfect cars: gorgeous, V12-engined, comfortable, fast.
Harry, I owned a Daytona Spider 15 years ago. The most satisfying thing I have ever owned. The sound at 7,700 rpm is unforgettable, and it would pull 60 in first and 90 in second.
As a viewer the differences between the two are very evident,the sound of the Espada smoother more refined revvier. Not something I would have expected.
Lovely to watch thanks. Quality as always Harry.
Harry's cars side by side on the road, what a lovely sight. 💗
Thanks for a great video Harry... 😊
the 365 makes me think of the video for Human After All by Daft Punk, first time I saw one, and I loved it.
Gorgeous Ferrari! Harry we need a glorious Road Trip please, the ones that ONLY you can put up with 🥳🥳👏🏻
Thank you Harry for testing some vintage cars again.
Thanks for this, great vid as always. I've always loved these, and four seater Italian exotica in general.
If you ever get a chance to test a 275gtb/4 or 512bbi I would love to see them
bbi sucks
@@roverwaters3875 no Ferrari sucks my friend, they are all glorious
Loving the camera shots of two beautiful classics running together 👍 … have to agree with Harry (as ever!) that the difference in prices between similar cars never ceases to amaze me and if you’re looking for a classic car to enjoy and drive then why not go for something like the Ferrari and have the spare money in the bank to pay for fantastic trips away in what is still a gorgeous car? ….. having said that the Espada is still the more beautiful car if value for money isn’t an issue! 😊
No, the Espada isn't more beautiful - in fact I'm not sure that it's beautiful at all. The 365 is poised and elegant - Melania Trump in automotive form - whereas the Espada is a kooky Kamala Harris. You're right about value for money though; if you can't run to a Daytona / 275GTB / 330LMB etc, then the 365 ticks all the classic '60s boxes - front-engined V12, 4-cams, 6 Webers, knock-off alloys with triple-eared spinners etc. Just fit a wood-rimmed wheel - (of the right sort, obviously - there is a special place in hell for clowns who despoil nice cars with "Moto Shita" steering-wheels...) - and you have a beautiful, if rather thirsty, means of getting to Goodwood. (This much I'm happy to share - Melania's number I keep to myself....)
Great video Harry - good to see the side by side review & a reminder of how good your decision was to have the roof fitted to the Espada flooding the cabin with beautiful light! 👍
Harry's videos are time well spent! His videos make you feel like you are right there with him in the passenger seat! Bravo👏
Lovely model Ferrari, I've always thought the shape was perfect for a gentleman's express GT.
The Daytona however is streets ahead of it in performance, there really is no comparison if you look at the performance numbers.
The Espada might be quicker than the 365 but a Daytona would eat the Espada for breakfast.
Nice video Harry, thanks for posting.
That Espada's panoramic glass roof is amazing.
I think it might get old on a long trip in sunny weather?
Hello all, especially Harry,
Thanks for another lovely video in every way,
As an owner of a Paolo Martin designed vehicle (transverse inline multi, two wheels) i just had to mention that it was him who gave this different, modern twist to these pininfarina designs.
Next to the espada everything looks "normal" although the ferrari is not.
But, i just love both designs in their own way.
The espada is slightly tuned to miura-spec. For the money, that stayes in the Ferrari's new owners pockets i would say one should be able to tweak engine and transmission to the amount of joy as required. 😃
Best regards from the Netherlands, nearby the german border,
Nico
I loved the comparison video, Harry. Thanks for the insight!
I have a soft spot for the Ferrari 365/400/412. For me it was the futuristic grand tourer.
What a dilemma having to choose :-). Has to be the Espada for me - still looks like a spaceship.....
Why how many spaceships have you seen
@@russcooke5671 when I was abducted by aliens :-)
Chapeau Harry!!! What a masterclass video and comparison. Really to the point!!!
Great presentation. Wonderful cars that I have come to really like over the years.
Daytona, without thinking twice.
Same here. That Ferrari is stunning with soul in spades.
@@PeteCourtier but the gearbox is badly designed
nobody asked
@@roverwaters3875 it is literally in the title mate.
Always wanted the 365/400, a gentlemans continental mile muncher. Elegant unfussy slightly anonymous and discreet. Cool... And I'd have the Jag too... If I've got that much money.
Buy GME and AMC and hold, no financial advice
Excellent video Harry. Really well done!!
This is what Top Gear was like before it became a comedy show. Great video Harry.
i think its such good value because Rover copied the front end.
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Ahhhh Not just me then..... SD1 I love them... :-)))
This is one review for the ages. Wonderful to see these back to back reviews. Wonder if 412 would offer a bit more performance to match the Espada?
As a 412 owner, I reckon it would close the gap. Love mine
First Ferrari I saw in person, a 400i. Handsome, beautiful car.
I bet there was some fun in making this vid between the two lol great upload as always 👌👌👌
Out of those 2, the espada. I can't help but see an sd1 when looking at the 365. Also prefer the soundtrack
14:07 Wow imagine being able to hold the loud pedal to the floor for 15 seconds in a modern Ferrari. You'd be doing 170mph. A lot to be said for having less power and more time to enjoy accelerating.
Buy a Yugo...
Beautiful cars, great vid Harry!
Truly one of your best videos. I have seen them all.
You can get in the ballpark of the Daytona’s feel and power with the 2+2. But when you get out and look back, you aren’t looking at a Daytona. That’s what makes the Daytona a legend.
Exactly, the 2+2/400s don't look half as cool.
@@chesswizard31 yeah agree totally, you look at the nose and as your eyes track past the doors it’s all a bit of a disappointment
@@darrenjones3681 Then I take a look at my bank balance and it’s £400k to the good. I think I could make do with a 2+2. Harry at his best again.
Yes totally agree especially the Daytona Spyder, with the top down, that is even more gorgeous and is around 3 times the value of a Gtb4 today.
I'm team Espada...the Ferrari 2+2 is a close second..( I can see where the Bitter SC stole its design from)
I personally thought this is one of the best HG videos to date, wonderful filming having these to beautiful cars together side by side at one point in the video was the highlight to me, Top Gear standard of filming! The sound track throughout the video was just simply epic, automotive music. Watch this with headphones on like I did and sit back and enjoy. How we're going to miss these sounds when EV's dominate the world. Thank you Harry & Charlie. 👍
Well done Harry, another fantastic review!
I just got the feeling that silver one was a bit off colour.
The moment the floored it should have been off like a rocket.
Nope, they really were as sluggish as hell ! Ferrari’s quoted power output was a huge exaggeration. The one in the video sounded like a particularly strong rebuilt example with a lovely crisp engine note that’s virtually impossible to retain with so many carbs and cylinders to keep in tune.
I agree with you, I think it sounded like it had a bit of a misfire 👀
You have uprated the Espada engine though. Would your comments be different with the standard pistons and springs? Guess i should’ve waited till the video finished :)
I love both cars, thanks for an excellent presentation!
Thanks! Enjoy your content, fun to recommend your channel to friends. All the best.
Bit disappointed about the lack of performance from the 365, seems like it was not building up revs as fast as I would expect. Wonder if it is this particular example.
lamborghini called them Trucks for this reason..so he built his own cars.
@@johnj.baranski6553 no
I’d say the opposite! Performance was similar to a modern day BMW 320 Diesel. The example in the video sounded particularly energetic and crisp, certainly better than any I’ve even driven, which may be why they’re asking top money for it...
It probably needs tuning, running a bit too rich or lean. Maybe the carbs need a rebuild. Iain Tyrrell would likely know the cause.
Ferrari: "Oh, that's a nice looking car. Oh wow, it's a Ferrari!"
you wouldnt say that looking at them recently
Absolutely one of my favorite Ferraris. Incredibly tasteful restraint in design, in and out, and the interior - materials, layout, plush seats - is very inviting and elegant. And the soundtrack is exceptional. How incredible to find a real GT with a manual (and air :)) these days for any price, let alone at ~$80K. Thanks for another great review, and for bringing along the beautiful Espada, an icon of progressive design with its own 12-cylinder art form under the hood.
Best entertainment there is to have in 2021.....thank you very much for being original.
Was the Ferrari actually running properly? Hard to make out on the video but didn't quite seem on song, especially at higher revs.
Thank you for another great video, Harry (and Charlie)! The 365 seemed suprisingly lethargic and didn't pick up revs as quickly as expected. With the hesitation on first acceleration, too, one might suspect the engine hasn't been perfectly tuned? Would have loved to hear your friend Iain Tyrrell's opinion of that particular example - and see/hear if he couldn't make it perform slightly better :)
You’re not familiar with these then. It wasn’t perfect, but the one in the video seemed particularly strong and crisp-pulling compared to how they usually are. You can perfectly tune them, but within a week it’s all out of synch again. Same issue happens if the weather changes. The engine is a nightmare to maintain and real-world performance is about the same as a 2 litre diesel Mondeo (0-60 in 8.5 secs and top speed 130).
Another great video. Thanks again Harry. I worked for a guy in the lat seventies who had a 400. Other than being an auto it was a lovely car to travel in. As you say, highly underrated.
Of the 2 cars I prefer the looks of the Ferrari - just so clean, crisp and neat. As to whether it's a better car than the Lambo, I cannot say as I've driven neither of them. As for the Daytona, I really like how this 365 GT/4 sits somewhat below the radar of its more expensive brother. A car that would raise a smile for those in the know, but draw no attention from those who don't. Subtle, elegant and refined - I like it.