The Best Tech Trees In War Thunder
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
- I realized that I never really talked about how the various tank tech trees in War Thunder play, mostly just about vehicles Gaijin could add to them. Since a lot of you guys are relatively new to the game or are just starting out, it was a no-brainer to make this video.
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You forgot to mention one of the biggest factors in gameplay!
THE TEAM
when playing germany for example the team mostly will be horrifying, since a lot of new players expect germany to be automatically op.
On the other hand, only someone who already mastered the game would actually try to play italy and therefore your team will be better on average.
(This does not work for lower tiers though because pretty much anyone can access them)
I have to agree on the Italian tanks being harder to master
Amogus
What are your opinions on the tanks of Foxhole?
Dude, YES!!! This had been frustrating me for a while! I could've used this video years ago! Can you do one on aircraft next? Aw heck and Naval too. I've been just cherrypicking what other players use and I find that those vehicles aren't my playstyle. It's making me pull my hair out!!! This vid has helped a ton!
Tier 1 France was war thunder hard mode. Every kill felt like an achievement. After I got out of that tier, I never looked back.
Only grinded France to get B1 Bis and got disappointed at the lackluster pen, H35 with 2 crewmen and paper armour is also a joke haha
Britain felt and still feels like hard mode at most brs. 4.7 was fun though
I skipped that by buying the French Starter Pack by using the GE I gained selling BMD4 and Buccaneer. Just used the B1 ter + P40 Lafayette until I unlocked ARL44.
avoid at all cost :P
I started out as France. When I finally played the other tech tries, I went "Oh. They're not all supposed to be like that"
I started with Germany, and I must say...I don't recommend it as a new player's first tech tree.
As stated in the video, German tech tree encourages passive playstyle, and that can cause you to form a lot of bad habits. Personally I know nothing other than sit back and snipe until I get Leopard I, and I suddenly realize I don't know how to move around the map, and don't know how to aim for weak spots. Then I went back and played a lot of US and Russia, and finally learnt those skills.
Germany has some of the best tanks for sure, but it also tends to make new players one-trick pony, especially when your team needs to push and capture, and you realize everyone is in a Tiger II sitting near the spawn.
I agree with this so much. I main germany and it had its ups and downs. Getting uptierd facing cold war tanks with stabilizers, ALWAYS gettibg flanked by a fking m18 cancer machine.
But that was bearable, because the tiger tanks are good tanks, jt just depends what you face. It was only after i got the leopard 1 that i quit the game for almost a year.
You grind for so long in a decently armoured heavy tank, just to get pushed over into a glass cannon medium tank. If you arent s pro, dont know good map placements etc. You will simply cease to exist every match. I comeback and quickly realize why i left. Now i cant even go back to my comfort zone. The tiger 105 is 15k sl repair cost PER DEATH. Fk. As a f2p player that is not sustainable. I just get back to grinding japanese or british air to keep my sanity. The lack of good german light tanks means most german teams all play the same. Its a stupid cycle.
I have noticed that sometimes leopard players defintly use its mobility to die faster. However there are no other choises but to struggle until all that map knowledge, positioning, movement etc is relearned. Good thing is enemy always points out your mistakes. With their gun that is.
Starting on US and using mobility made me the player I am and I hate playing Germany.
Maybe Russia is the best start nation? It might have the best balance, lots of lightly armoured big guns, slow reload derp cannon tanks and quick mobile t34s.
it just has a few horror shows like the starting shrapnel rounds...
Yeah, Mained Germany and my "run and gun" never worked
It's a miracle I can reach Panzer IV G
@@babyboijeremy "15k per death" at least its a really strong tank where as average tanks in the us tech tree get much higher repair costs... *Cough* t95 28,000 *cough*
France and Russia most fun and best overall tanks imo. France solid shot is like buckshot going through a tank plus 4 second autoloaders make it amazing if you are good at positioning. Russia phat he shells combined with their brawler play style also make them very viable. After playing every tree a decent amount I pretty much only play France and Russia anymore.
Same
Russia is one of those nations that make fun and stupid play styles work. Favorite ting is to play 3.7 russia, set cruise and see how long I can go
Italy is also great imo
post cold french tank is an improvise SPAA :P
except Leclerc tank
Haven't touched Russia. France is a smooth fun ride after tier 1, as long as you know what your doing and can survive the repair costs. But I think Germany is best overall, the majority of its player base sucks ass so Gaijin keeps dragging down brs making it easy for veteran players.
As someone who started with Italy, I almost quit the game trying to grind it out. Stuck with it though and nabbed the Centauro before it was moved.
Did you also only play low tiers until you unlocked the old R3 at 3.3?
Idk I had a lot of fun with Italy during the 1.0 to about 3.7, the p40 was probably my favorite tank to play in the game
@@theBrid-gv8je I mean, I guess? I wasn't just trying to unlock the R3 though. I was trying to get passed the low tier
@@superluigigalixy I have fun with it now but when I first started I didn't know what a weak spot was so I was shooting things desperately trying to kill them but had neither the pen nor the armor to do anything.
@@fatguysrule5892 as someone who also started with italy i can relate, i remember getting excited for finding out the p40 had 100mm of pen because that was a lot for me at the time
"New tech tree to grind"
Me, who has only grinded out Japan after 3 years of painful casual playing.
it took me 100 plus hours to get the f-86 and then i quit war thunder is for the unemployed
Japan in War Thunder is like the russian roulette
Sometimes you have fun and sometimes you just *suffer*
@@artyom9103 exactly. But I did Air and ground.
@@snazzydazzy damn, my experience with japanese air is not good at all. It was pure agony until I got 20mm canons and even then it was stressful. I adore you for your devotion.
@@artyom9103 really, I love Japanese airplanes and personally I think they have some of the best planes
Am I the only one who enjoyed grinding Swedish tanks the most, almost all of their tanks are derpy and some of them extremely OP, at least for veteran players who know what they're doing with the 15degrees gun depression :D
I started with Sweden, and i´m enjoying it, though i´m still very new to the game, just reached tier II
Sweden is my 2nd fav after uk they are very unique at the same time you cant go wrong with centurions. Also slow tanks teach how to position urself right on the map and use hull down positions
Sweden is my second tree after I got bored of Germany. I really enjoy the unique vehicles and size of the tree, but the repair costs at mid tier are a pain for me as a mediocre player.
I still enjoy playing air RB with the Swedish Airforce.
Swedish APDS make the first tiers super fun to grind, they don’t get stabilizers till later but you can negate it by sniping, and Sweden at Br 9.7 shines with its 40mm auto cannons and ATGMS
i've been playing for awhile (French and Russia being my mains) but from introducing new players to the game my biggest regrets was recommending Germany as a starting nation. Because of how consistently good the tanks were many of the new players i introduced developed bad habits and ended up being spoiled by the German Big cats. This usually led the to struggle when trying to pick up a second tech tree as they were simply not used to having average to sub par vehicles and would always either quit or fall back to only playing Germany.
@@constantineandriyanov8200 I tend to recommend China now actually. You get a good line up of vehicles that will introduce new players to a wide range of vehicles they will likely see in plenty of other tech trees. While at top tier they are still lacking i think by the time a new player reaches those points their top tier will be more fleshed out.
as a former german main for years the US tanks fit my playstyle so much better. i hate passive gameplay and american tanks are fun subpar machines that reward you for being bold and active while also taking all weight of being in an actually good tank out of your shoulders
French and British early grind is enough to make any sane person quit.
@@Orinslayer i agree 100%, those lines are better saved for more experienced players. How ever they don't take long before you find fun vehicles to play with.
I useally recommend russians as they teach you to angle and aim because your gun is mediocre and the earlygame grind isn't that bad
I've finished most of the tech trees for Germany, USSR, UK and Italy and my favourite of those is easily UK and USSR... USSR due to meme machines like the Pe-8, Asu57, KV220, etc and UK because the tanks, ships, planes are generally very unique and fun to play, like the challengers, chieftains, tortoise, jaguar, harrier, phantom fg.1 and last but definitely not least FV4005
How? Does premium help a lot?
@@theratmanratguy4952 I bought premium and I managed to grind the Russian tech tree from 4.3 till 9.7 in about half a year of casual playing, so I have no clue how this dude managed to do all of these trees.
@@cubalibre22g4 he's probably just really good
@@IlllIlIlIIlll or has no life 💀
Finally someone else who likes Britain
For a new player I wouldn’t recommend GB purely because of the repairs costs associated with the 7.0-8.0 range. Dying once in a fully loaded Caernarvon is almost as expensive as dying in every vehicle in the (stock, I don’t have them) German 7.3 lineup. And if you get clapped in spawn by air or while slowly heading back into battle with a Cent or FV, the cost can slowly bankrupt a free player. I do love the Crusader 3 and a few other of their low tier vehicles such as the firefly and the peculiar archer though, but long term I feel GB can be a painful experience.
Most painful experience I'm currently going through
@@markacostajr.1584 if you hold out until the vickers, you’ll have a blast when you get it
GB is one of the hardest nations to grind through due to the lack of lineups, APHE, armor and reverse. So anyone who sticks with it long enough to unlock the Caernarvon is likely to be an expert player anyway. It's easily one of the worst trees.
I started with GB, and honestly, most of their tanks are glass canons. 17 pounder and up pack a punch, but there's almost no armor. Also reverse gears suck. I haven;t fully grinded it out yet, but my favourite tanks so far have been the Achilles, SARC 6 pounder, Concept 3, Ratel 90, and AEC AA.
@@kirishima638 yeah I was thinking about that. Firefly is good, but lacks support. Comet is good, but lacks a lot of support. But you’re right, the tree certainly can put you through a grinder. I played it as my second tree and it was was a rollercoaster of an experience at times
Really like the ussr, mostly for tank rb, they got the coolest attakers and light tanks (they float hehehehe) this being said, i do like to main every nation except for china
Lol
"Russian Light Tanks"
Cheeki breeki power
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The chinese try might be my favorite because of the balance of wheeled vs tracked vehicles
-15 social credits👎, you bad man I tell Xi Jinping on you! China greatest nation in whole world🇨🇳🤩😊🌏
I’ve started with France. And yeah, from réserve to 3.0 they are pretty trash, then just American tech tree up to 4.3-5.0. And then the fun comes, with extremely good tanks (although late stabilized tanks) and are pretty consistent.
However, be ready to need a LOT of silver lions just to play, as the tanks are insanely expensive to repair
Started with france too, and this is just about my experience. Would recommend the amx-13-90 and the AMX 50 Foch.
The b1 bis would like to know your location.
not 3.0. 2.3 is usually the sweet spot from reserve. Crusader, b1, stuart, are all great tanks to grind in. Especially enjoyed the crusader.
I started with the US tree. I've always thought that was the best thing for me because it forced me to play smart and learn where and how to kill enemy tanks. Fighting tigers and panthers was extremely hard at first but once I got my game knowledge up to speed I've never had a problem with any other tech tree especially bow that I've started to grind the Russian tree.
USA is good at 5.7 but before or after that suffers for me
@@michaelfick5086 Meanwhile, I never felt more pain in the US tree than 5.7, but I had an absolute blast in US low tiers. When everyone is so squishy, having that mobility and good gun handling makes you a god among men even in the humble M2, and anything with a .50 on a pintle is death incarnate for those low tier tanks. All of that becomes a lot less relevant when you have panthers and tigers facing Shermans with 75's. Flanking is great and all... until you find 3 more panthers on that flank. Flanking is a great strategy in theory for the US when you're facing a lone panther or tiger, but not so much when you're facing 3 tigers and 4 panthers all covering each other (not intentionally, of course, but by sheer coincidence with German mains). It was only at 6.0 with the Walker-Bulldog that I saw the light at the end of the tunnel that was 5.0-5.7 US. I am still glad I started with them, even if 5.0 made me a German main through its sheer frustration and pain, because it makes me truly appreciate the power that other factions have at that same tier, and made me generally more cautious and fight smarter even when I don't *have* to in something like German tanks.
As a side note, Italy low tier has also been super fun to me, probably because it's kind of like low tier US but taken to the extreme of high mobility.
W Sweden
German tanks are basically red barrels.
@@michaelfick5086US 5.7 is misery. Every game you face tiger twos while barely being able to scratch them frontally with anything shy of a 90mm. Did you maybe mean 6.7 with the 70 ton beasts that USA has
I definitely have to say France is amazing to play in mid tiers their autoloaders and mobility fit my playstyle. Although low tier is really pain. It wasn't as pain for me since I had the souma SM. But it took my friend a lot of time and sanity to grind through low tier.
Plus the ARL 44 is actually a hidden gem in thus game. Insanely strong for its placement. Problem is line up...
@@Orinslayer it’s lineup is one of the best of the game in my experience : ARL-44, Jumbo, M4 SA50 and AMX 13 DCA 40 are incredibly strong vehicles (I don’t play CAS so idk for that). And for premiums there are the EBR and M4 FL 10, so really, really good lineup.
Just get the b1 ter at a full down teir they are fun as!!!! Plus makes the grind easy plus I got the ebr which was 4.3 at the start which made it even easier... funny thing is I still use it at 7.7...its a monster
their low tier actually quite good, but not for the perfect lineup
My problem, like with so many minor nation tech trees, is that France in general gets a fair amount of vehicles I've played through in the US mid-tiers, and you can only play so many Shermans before you refuse to put them in your lineup from sheer burnout.
Germany suffers 👀👀
Tiger needs to go to 3.3 where it can face its historical oponents!!!!!111!!!!11!1!!11!!!!!
They do suffer the lack of a fast light tank from BR 4.0 to 6.3
@@TARmeow so does is 2 at 3.7
@@fastwinggaming1498 Noooooo!!!!! Because bad tank reliability and long reloafd tigor wins hehehe
@@Leomarze well bring that up with the third reich, gaigin will pull one out of their ass that no one will want
I’ll leave my wt experience below: started with Italy up to 8.0, then grinded Britain up too top tier, finished Italy, did Russia to top tier, now working on Japan (at 8.0). Aviation is a cake walk compared to the tanks’ grind!!
(new player)Playing the game since last year of November, there are few things while learning how to different shells, tanks etc, what confused me is what is: overpressure, underpressure and volumetric (grinding Germany at 4.3)
@@kevinthescrub2686 takes a lot of game time to get familiar with mechanics
I started with italy too, but its very hard i dont know how to play on the sherman vc and m4 tipo ic side
@@Darius_704 honestly would recommend playing Germany to around 3.3 before starting Italy.
I have played the entirety of Italy, owning every tank air aircraft (besides the c13 because I have not played much this update) and I can confidently say that if you want a nation to grind you should choose any other nation. Italy isn't awful, and there's a lot of fun lineups and vehicles, but they are definitely an afterthought for the devs.
starting with low tier, the sevomentes are alright, and the line ups are quite diverse, in this area it feels kinda like china or japan with mashup lineups of domestic and foreign tanks, there are also some real gems too such as the Breda 501, cas is limited, the fc20 bis is cool but not the most effective, and you get a ju87 as well but IMO the best bet is getting the iar81c with the german rockets and the 250kg bomb, the hs129 with them 30mm, or the bf110 with its bombs depending on what you like. overall a decent experience but nothing to write home about.
At mid-tier Italy starts to have its own I identity. this is where you start to see interesting stuff like the recoilless cars and the aubl74 you do also get the m26 and m47 to round out your line up with an actual tank atleast. once again you are out of luck for cas though, the re2005 gets a 500kg bomb but costs an arm and a leg to repair, and there really isn't anything else in the TT that you can use, so stick with the previously mentioned low tier aircraft but don't rely on them. the of40 is a very versatile tank, good gun handling, and mobility and a very stable and predictable tank. feels very nice to use and the optics are amazing.
top tier is where stuff becomes massively depressing, let me break it down:
MBT
The arietes simply do not compete. sure you can do well in them but in general, you will be slower, softer, and easier to kill than most any other MBT. the round it get's is good enough, it has one of the highest masses of any APFSDS in the game so it's spalling is amazing and 1-2 shots are all you will really ever need, but the pen that used to be amazing has gone though a nerf and power creep as better armor is added to the game.
Centauros
The centauros are stunning, the presieres gets decent APFSDS and gen 1 thermals at 8.7 and is very mobile for the tier it's a must use, the romor is not quite as good but it pairs well with the leo 1a5, that add on armor makes it noticeably more sluggish but you can still outpace most people especially on favorable terrain, the Centauro 120 is the star of your top tier line up, same heavy APFSDS as the ariete but now it's parred with a 6.5-5 second reload (depending on crew skill) giving you at least that advantage, as you sacrifice almost all protection form anything more than light autocannons for a higher top speed, allowing you to move around favorable terrain and outflank most MBTs. you get the same turms fire control as the ariete, so the optics are quite nice too, gen2 thermals for the gunner and commander, definitely get this vehicle if you want to play Italian top tier.
SPAA
The otomatic is given this god-tier status in-game, but in reality, is much more disappointing, it's a lumbering, massive target with no armor that is ready to blow up if you sneeze too hard. the he-vt is nice but good luck hitting anything past 4-5km as it has terrible accuracy and an insanely long time to target, SAP is funny vs light tanks and that's about it, the APFSDS has lackluster pen and hardly does any post pen damage and you only get 12 rounds, enough to defend yourself vs 2-4 MBTs depending on how good your aim and luck is. the mistal simply is there, I haven't used it much but I've heard it's alright. at 8.3 the base sidam is dog shit compared to other spaa tbh.
The shining light at the end of the tunnel
The dardo is truly a god amongst mere IFVs, one of the best in the game with amazing mobility, a high ROF APFSDS slinging autocannon, and tow2Bs. 10/10 best tank in the tree IMO.
CAS
premium r/4 exists if you wanna buy that. 4 nords and IDK how they are after the nerf. You have 2 f104s to choose from with dumb bombs and no guided weapons. the YS gets 2 drops of bombs as well. once again the case is bad, easily the worst of any nation at the top tier IMO. your best option is 8k GE so pay up.
you do get helis at least. The a129CBT has a funny name and is one of the best flying helis of its class IMO. the 20mm makes minced meat of tanks from the top and can protect you from plans that get too close. if you want to take 8 hellfires you will not get to bring AAMs. good enough I guess but gaijin could easily add better.
overall I say avoid Italy for now. The tree doesn't have a lot to offer and additions are typically sparse and/or uninteresting. France will give you a similar feeling while being much more meta.
With the lowest tier, you can avoid everything except the 20mms and the AS42/47. They used to have 64mm of penetration, probably still did when your comment was posted. You could reliably kill literally anything even at a max uptier except for the b1 bis. Now it’s a lot more painful, what with the 16mm of penetration loss, but most things can be taken out with the standard AS42 still. I’m at 8.3, but I mostly play 1.3/1.7 bc i actually have fun with it and have a lot of friends who are very new to ground who play other nations at 1.3. All in all, in my opinion, 1.3 has been the best experience I’ve ever had with Italy.
Cap
I find this comment really fascinating. Maybe things were different a year ago, but I've been having an absolute blast with low tier Italy. Derping around at high speeds with autocannons and mediocre guns while the Spiderman pizza theme plays in the back of my head has been some of the most fun I've had in War Thunder. Then again, I started with US and loved the shit out of its low tier, which Italy is basically low tier US taken to the extreme, so go figure.
TO be honest, I started with the United States, and I don’t regret tanks, however the air branch is difficult to use
Agreed, as an American main I can confirm that a pretty big number of the aircraft have a hard learning curb.
HOWEVER, there are also some really, really great planes that are undertiered for some reason. For example, the F4U-1A
I am a German and Soviet main, And after constantly complaining about America for years I finally grinded out America.
I got to rank 6.0 aircraft and tanks in less than a fourth the tine as other nations, Easily some of the best vehicles for their BR are in the American tree.
I got my hands on the P47 and even though I rarely get more than a couple kills in air RB in a usual match in Germany or Russia, With the P47's, P51's, F4U's and name a American interceptor I on average get 3-6 kills per match.
I dont enjoy America because its boringly easy, I grind America because they have WAY better reward boosters so I can get enough lioms for a German or Soviet jet in a dozen matches or so.
@@crappywifi3128 If you can play America well, You will struggle with other nations.
If you do really well with other nations, America should be a breeze.
@@John.McMillan this guy is a German main and said America is too easy
I have only played the first Shermans from the UK and Italy and I'm not a big fan of them. Seeing how the US is basically only Shermans for some time I'm really not looking forward to that.
honestly Italy was extremely fun for me to play, whenever I want to relax I'll play 2.3 or 3.3 Italy, most people overlook the semoventes as worse stugs, but some have more frontal armor than a kv1! and the guns once you unlock the heat shells are nice aswell. I'd recommend the tree As a whole if you enjoy somewhat of a challenge, wouldnt recommend if new, go for russia then. t-34s and kv1s are easy to play.
Italy 3.7 8s probably the most fun lineup in the game alongside italy 6.3. The chaffee is soo relaxing to play!
@@Sam-de6bw just wish it was rank 3 again. was my go to event grinder for some time
Yep the italian low tier TDs are no joke and some of them are smaller than m22 lol
L3 is literally the best tank in the whole game. When a panther player sees an L3 coming at him at 20 km/h he shits himself. Every panther players biggest nightmare is those 10 Perforante mod.35 APHE rounds. Legends say that 1 of those rounds can penetrate a maus frontally. If an L3 somehow manages to get penetrated by an enemy shell it just bounces off of the massive balls those 2 crew members have. I have played L3 in high tiers and let me tell you the enemy is scared of shooting at you. Because of thoose massive balls rounds will bounce right back at the enemy. Killing them instantly.
As an L3 main i recoment L3 to every new war thunder player AND I urge war thunder to give every country their own captured L3.
front on shots do basically nothing. they are tough little critters.
I started with the US and I’d personally recommend it. The US tanks are very well rounded and do have good guns. US shells are also some of the best, with the APHE for many tanks being able to one shot many enemies. The US planes can be difficult to use in the mid tier levels, as you don’t get cannons with large amounts of explosive filler, but you get APIT belts which set everything on fire, which I actually prefer. I suggest using US ships first, because they are very well rounded. The US destroyers are arguably the best as they have Dual purpose guns with VT shells and high rates of fire. The US cruisers are also solid and have the 5in guns as secondaries. The PT boats are also fast and well armed.
St. Browning blessed .50 Cals is one of the main reason I stuck to US Ground.
@@hubris6567 true that, .50 cals in US ground is a god send against "no armor best armor" boys XD
105 Sherman was one of my standard picks back in 2015-16 when i started playing properly, it was really nice. Armor that can work, like all Shermans at low tiers, it had 50 cal, nice mobility and good gun depression
And the M4a2 is a beast at 4.0
@@dvpant3651 Aaand then reality hits and the 76mm can't even pen the UFP of a panther
In my experience Italy is amazing at low tier. I got my highest killstreak in one tank with one of the reserves. And the AS 42 is insane once you get the best bullets. Might not be good for new players, but as a more experienced player it has been my favorite low tier experience. Otherwise i completely agree with this video.
*Says low tier Swedish is bad*
Me: laughs in 40mm APHE auto cannon at 2.7
Me laugh in every tank with a 7.7 coaxial machine gun OMEGALUL
Don’t forget the reserve tanks that have 105mm worth of penetration with their sabot shells
The first 2 tiers are literally post war YEET-PDS shell cancer that goes into more APDS cancer.
My starter tech tree was Italy and I think it is an excellent tecg tree to start out with because it teaches you how to not get hit by anybody. (Because all of their tanks have no armor)
I love videos like this that are no bullshit, right to the point and packed with a good amount of information in a short amount of time. Thanks for this.
I'm currently playing Italy from time to time when I have enough of Germany and Russia. The start is pretty rough but once you have the M24 and the 105/25 M43 it's a lot of fun. You get pretty good mobility with an ok to decent amount of firepower. Just don't think you can rely on any armour
The m26a1 has neither mobility or armor. Oh and it has a 12k repair cost
I started playing WT by grinding great britain when I was 13, and boi was it a pain in the ass
the low tiers are great to actually play at, with the matilda, crusaders, and valentine tanks, but as you go forward and if you don't end up learning about angling or the accuracy you need to properly use AP shells, it really kills the vibe at a fast rate, making the grinding almost impossible until you get the hang of the stuff 4.7 and above require
all of you people bashing how difficult britain is makes me feel like a pro for enjoying britain
@@thomasfrazier7861 It's difficult, for new players, specially if you're a kid like I was before, but never said it isn't enjoyable.
Heck I can even give an example of this case with a guy that doesn't get the hang of AP shells and dies to a tiger.
@@nathanbenicio6835 I mean, you did say it was a "pain" which kinda indicates that it wasn't fun
@@thomasfrazier7861 It's a pain to grind all the tech tree
One great thing about brits is that they force you to learn how to kill tanks by doing crits or ammorack. It is true that grinding is pain in all tiers and tech trees, however when struggling one should not try to proggess to next br asap. The struggle means that one has not acquired the required skills for that br and those are definetly needed in the next ones. If you skip a br without learning to perform well, you will have "REALLY bad time" in the next +1.0 br increase instead of just "bad time". This is especially true for br 7.0 / 8.0 / 9.0 / 10.0 around where the gameplay changes dramatically.
I started with the beloved German tech tree and like you said was pretty strong on their low to mid teir however I slumped playing their mid teir tanks such as the tiger and panzer 4's due to the br skill curve I ran head on into, and that lead me right to the British tree in which I had to learn the game the hard way from low to top teir
For the record, Gaijin considers Britain one of the big 4 nations, and they do have a fairly big tech tree, especially now they added the south africa stuff.
As for how fun it is to play... well I've played few tech trees by now but unironically Britain does suffer. The vast majority of vehicles are over tiered, and I consistently perform worse as Britain than any other nation.
Even their areas where they used to be good (centurions around 7 ish br's) have since been heavily uptiered, and thats after gaijin boosted their repair costs to make them virtually unplayable, even with a premium account. Given this isn't just one vehicle, but basically entire BR brackets, it's probably some of the worst repair cost experience in the game.
All that aside though, if you're a veteran their ww2 era stuff can be very enjoyable. A lot of British vehicles have high skill ceilings due to quirks of the design giving them unique play styles. Even the poor post-pen on most British rounds can be enjoyable as it forces you to play smarter with your aiming.
Repair costs aren’t actually a really big deal except caernarvon I 80% of the time make profit without premium
Spookston is the only UA-camr who can make an ad so short you can’t skip it
China is my #1 favorite tree closely followed by Germany and the UK. Anytime someone asks me what nation to play I always say China cause its an amazing mix of vehicles with a pretty competitive top tier.
China has no reason being so fun, big maps are great for the T-34 and you can dominate cities with your M4s. Never expected my best tank KD to be with a T-34 (1942)
China is a mixtape best of both worlds. Imo there is a reason why I recommend China to new players
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Massive BR gaps though.
The thing with China is that, this tree will only get better and more unique as more modern vehicles get introduced
As an Angle, I play the British Tech tree the most, and started with it, and I must say that while they have the near permeant problem of having no HE filler, it forces you to learn where to aim. You can't just keep on firing into an enemy because by the time you pick off each crew-man you're probably dead. Nothing brings me more pleasure than Ammo-racking a Tiger from the front and watching that turret FLY
Factos👍, Britain is the best tree for improving your ability to play the game as it forces you to master positioning and shot placement to do well.
I’ll often get frustrated playing Britain and having mediocre games, switch to another nation and immediately have 6+ kill games with ease
I like the way you do your sponsors instead of taking the entire beginning of the video to say what it is you get straight to the point and show people what they've come for
Chieftain's and Challengers are my favorite tanks to play and after coming from the Centurion and Vickers to boot.
They aren't fast but the slower gameplay makes you consider your actions more.
I started with Russia and found it extremely enjoyable, I always had good awareness of my surroundings and could read the map very well so the good mobility of the low tier russians suited me perfectly, but I suffered HARD with germany, I'm in 7.0 with my russians and decided to check out germany for fun, since a friend mains them. I've played around a dozen games and havent had a single good one, I havent even managed to get out of 1.0 with how bad I've been doing with them.
I honestly dont even know why, I dont have much complaints about the tanks other than their horrendous turret traverse, but even that hasn't gotten me killed that often. They supposedly have just as much frontal armor as the italian reserves, but while I was bouncing shots left and right with the italians I'm getting constantly oneshotted with the Germans. My friend told me that if I angled it was like a mini tiger, but I swear to god I angle and get oneshotted anyways, no matter what I'm facing.
As a fellow Soviet player. I heavily leaned on the Panzer 38t and Panzer III to grind up the German tree, Panzer 38t is basically a BT and the Panzer III is like a chonkier T-34/57. I also found Panzer IVs very difficult to play, good gun, but trash survivability.
Once you get Tiger and Panther, everything is gold though. German tanks being under-tiered is not a meme. ANYONE can perform well with how overpowered for their BR those machines are.
Hahaha that's the main problem with German lineup they can't take a hit so the only option that is left is to snipe and stay back and when Push only when you definitely have to coz it's a 50/50 chance if you get seen you are dead if not then you can absolutely obliterate the cap zone
Lol finding my own comment again.
After getting out of the super low tier they became really strong. I reached a downright stupid 72% winrate on Germany 5.3. You just kick ass left and right, no brain required.
Some tips for new players:
Do not trust your armor. Very few tanks can boast having competent armor for bouncing and can be trusted, and that is usually when they are downtiered. It is better to just assume almost every tank can pen you and play carefully.
No armor is best armor. For people who do not know why we say this, it is because APHE rounds and others generally have a fuse sensitivity, it has to go through so much armor before it can fuse. With no armor, it will just go through and through and not detonate helping to keep you alive, but in the same vain, MG's will slaughter you especially .50cal.
Learn your map positions. This is what I would say is KEY to having good high kill matches. Know where to sit, which way the enemy is coming, and how to reach good locations safely, especially if you are playing a slow tank. Some positions are absolutely key in certain matches, and for fast tanks, can abuse some locations really well.
Know enemy weak spots, and your own. In shooting, knowing where to hit and where to not is going to save you, and if you don't think you can pen, shooting out the gun is always viable as it can either buy you time, or help guarantee side shots. Just be careful of multi-gun tanks. For your own, know where you can be easily pened and do your best to either cover or hide them as some hits are survivable if they hit certain areas. If your entire tank is a weak spot, light tanks, just be aware that the first thing to hit you will probably kill you.
Know your ammo and how much to bring. Know how your ammo works, luckily the small videos help but know when to use certain ammos types and what not to bring. Also knowing how much to bring, different tanks have different load outs and bringing full racks is almost always ill advised. Exceptions can be made for some tanks with low ammo counts or fast firing but otherwise just be careful of how much you bring and know where it is stored in your tank.
Parts and Fire Prevention Equipment(FPE). For gods sake get these first, if you don't know why, you soon will.
Bombs incoming. The planes will come, the bombs will kill you, and you will get strafed, get ready for revenge killing and pray you have some competent planes or AA to keep you alive and the skies free.
The uptier. You will get this, and you will get it OFTEN. Be ready and figure out when you have been uptiered. I always tend to assume uptier and it has worked out for me so far.
The crew skills. Generally I think it is dependent on the player except for three. Targeting, Weapon Reloading, and Vitality in that order. I think these three are THE most important and should be leveled up first. Others have their own preferences but those are mine. I would recommend Targeting to 3 before anything else.
The modifications. Outside of Parts and FPE, it comes down to the tank and preference. Better ammo I believe should always be priority, if not, I would recommend going for Horizontal Drive and Elevation Mechanism first. Besides gunning for those, your choice, though for fast light tanks I would HIGHLY recommend ramping up the Mobility quick.
The left turret face or the right? Know which side of the tank the enemy gunner is. If you are front on shooting at the turret, taking out the gunner is essential and knowing which side can be the difference between getting a kill, and getting killed.
I'm sure there are more and others can fill in the spaces but this is my SHORT list. Hope this helps!
Hey man, enjoyed the video, another idea/request: Favorite 10 lineups in the game, any BR, any nation, ground RB.
Man I really love your vids have you ever considered making them longer?
I really really loved the T-50, bc of its angled armour, punchy gun and good mobility
And the fact that no one knows how to pen it kekw
honestly, I had a fairly interesting time grinding with the French. Once I got to the B1 Bis, it quickly got really fun to play. Added to when you get to their autoloaders, they quickly became one of my favorite picks. At the time of this, im less than 100k xp from the first Leclerc
Today I had a great time with the low and reserve Italian tanks, if you play it right and don't miss the shots it's relay fun. They take lots of hits if you angle.
Italy makes me want to cry with the fact you can die to machine guns for half of the vehicles
honestly once you get out of tier 1 france, the rest of the tree is the most fun ive had playing tanks. it was a tree that i genuinely enjoyed grinding, albeit there's a few gaps that make it hard to unlock higher tiers.
France is so much fun
Spookston: Britain wasn't fun and Sweden is not a good starting tree.
Me: is at top tier with only Britain and Sweden.
This video was very wrong
Very useful video! Thank you so much. Although, if you'd publish this video 4 months before of the date you published it, i probably wouldn't start grinding out france... To be honest, the low tiers aren't that rough, but what gets me out the most is the insane repair cost of some french IVth rank vehicles, like the AMX 13 or AMX 50
tbh as i started to seriously play wt like 2 years ago i wanted to pick nation with kinda few tanks and picked Italy. tbh for me one of the best choice couse i fell in love with wheeled vehicles. and yeah italy's play stile is for sure much different then other nations since i consider italy's role mosty as support, and quick flak in game
Lawd, im an ancient player. I have played since the air side was in beta
Same lol
With Britain having little to no aphe nor aphecbc is true. Its honestly really underwhelming for me playing Britain and seeing crit after crit know well you can’t one shot someone without a weaker aphe. So yeah. Pretty much you said is accurate. Sadly couldn’t get myself to 7.0 because of the constant APCBC round slapped on every tank other then the Sherman tank
In addition to your points I would add:
The main plus of US vehicles is that they less sensitive to which map you get (adaptive). Also, there are often several tanks of similar design, weapons and play style to choose from, which lends your lineups some redundancy (Stewarts, Shermans etc). The Ma Deuce (50 cal) is a lifesaver too.
The main plus of GE vehicles is that you can field a solid lineup with each vehicle type at most BRs that are also close in BR (e.g., a heavy, medium and light tank, plus a TD and SPAA). This depth allows you nice range of vehicle options for the map or enemy team you face.
The main plus of RU vehicles is that you often have multiple versions of the same vehicle at similar BRs, which allows you to keep returning to the battle in basically the same vehicle (T-34s, KVs). When that vehicle works well with the map and enemy you face this can crush your opponent who often have to change vehicle type or take out a vehicle of lower BR when they respawn only to face your terminator like return.
A problem with other nations is that tree gaps mean your lineups either have a large range of BRs, a limited variety of vehicle types, or both. This makes your lineup very map dependent and respawns quickly degrade your effectiveness.
quite happy to see some people had the same experience i had with italy, i love their fast but extremely powerful cannons. i used to hate italy until i got used to their playstyle
Personally I love the Japanese tech tree the most, it was a lot of fun to grind and has one of my favorite top tiers in the game. France is pretty fun but man, those low tiers are rough. Italy can be pretty difficult but at times I found myself having quite a bit of fun with their vehicles. Those would be my picks for my three favorites.
As someone who started his ground tech trees with Britain I must say that the lack of APBC really isn't that big a problem. At the lowest tiers (rank 1) they do get APBC and the tanks themselves aren't half bad. At 3.7+ you often get the 17 pounder which penetrates everything and has very good post pen for a solid shot. The APDS at the mid-high tiers is alright, can definitely be annoying when ammo doesn't ignite or one crew or component slurps it all up but it usually just works. And I never reached British top tier because I really don't like British 7.7 and above, it's usually slow tanks who's armor is basically useless at the tiers it's faces. The stabilizer can make up for it but that doesn't matter if a flanker shoots your side for 1 km away when you haven't even gotten to any point yet.
He means apcbc with explosive filler
I love britain because it has good snipers, and I just like britain lol
Personally, I started my Ground RB grind with the US tree and Air RB grind with the German tree for similar reasons:
Both of those trees have something of a jack-of-all-trades specialization, and allows you to get comfortable with different playstyles early on. The M22, M4A3, He112-V5, and A7He1 caused me to ditch AB and not look back!
Really enjoyed the su 122 54 gameplay in the background.
I freaking love France's tech tree, I started with it and found the best technique to use them
AMX-13 FL11 overtook my Tiger H1 and Tiger II P record pretty quickly
What’s the technique?
@@adama-k2710 AMX-13 IS LIFE
@@motman0713 Move around and kill things.
@@motman0713 move fast shoot fast
I’m grinding the Japanese air tree I’ve been using the fighters and it’s pretty fun, I maneuver around when fighting more than usual to get a hang of the handling of the planes because they are very different from American planes, I’m already nearing the first jets I’m not sure when I started the tree though
I find the British reliance on solid shot forces you to learn tank layouts and because britain tends to have high velocity high penetrating guns for their tier they are amazing at long ranged combat. The tree has its fair share of quirky vehicles that can be a blast or a pain to play and personally I find nothing more satisfying than a 17/20 pounder round going through the front and the out the back of an enemy's tank.
I used the soviet tech tree in ground ab and, i took a try of ground rb and i had alot of fun ammo racking
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started with britain and didn't regret it tbh. the challengers are really fun and the grind at 7.0-9.3 which is usually the worst, isnt that bad with the british tech tree.
I kinda wanna get Italy because of the A129, Dardo and Centauro and of course the Otomatic. Great vehicles.
(The A129 is by far the strongest Heli in the game because SPAA at 9.7 is crap and it has good self defense)
Oh shit that was you that shot me lmfao spookston on the beginning of the video. I’m happy your the one that shot me😂😂
I still have nightmares from playing French low tier tanks. That was when FCM. 36 was still in the tech tree and the main round was APCR with almost no penetration.
I never really had any issues grinding Britain and found the entire tree to 8.0 enjoyable. It may be that alot of British tanks you have to play more passively people tend to think they are shit. I don't think any other tree will punish you nearly as bad as the British tree for over extending.
Also Falcon is the best MBT don't @me.
The falcon is literally the best British tank. Things a beast
France was my first tree. I enjoyed low tier more than anything,
B1 Bis and B1 Ter are great at its tier
Menace.
my experience with Britain was great, but I got to 5.0 before the first round of sabot nerfs. Something thats worth noting about GB is that their consistent stabilizers teach bad habits mobility wise, but the tree teaches excellent aiming habits, especially around the 7.0 range. If you aim properly, you can usually take a tank out in one shot, but if you aim poorly you can send the round clear through the tank while dealing no damage.
Honestly, I love playing Italy. I did USA first, then did Italy and am currently at 9.3. The OF-40s tend to simply not die sometimes and the Centauros are fast enough to make enemy front armor irrelevant.
Spookston, you left something huge out. I don't recommend people starting with Germany BECAUSE so many new people start there. This means that most German teams in early tiers are really really bad. You will lose most games as Germany early on because of this and will be frustrated at terrible teammates. Start with US or USSR, I've got 1,600 hours in this game, trust me.
In my experience, low tier Germany is a bit of a gamble when it comes to the skill of your team. While there are a lot of new players who play Germany, I'd estimate I've encountered an equal number of low level players playing Russian tanks. There's also the exception of higher level players like myself, going back to lower tiers, because they're more fun, to grind sl, or because of a specific vehicle.
Low tier germany is like a coin flip.
You'll either end up with nothing but idiots. Or you get a whole squad of lvl 100 in your team who singlehandedly wipe out almost everyone.
@@a.b.3455 Yeah, that sounds about right
I want to give my 2 cents on this, germany is actually quite good, but becomes utter pain at around 6.3-6.7 purely because the vehicles are so utterly massive and pure plane/heat food, so they can be incredibly frustrating at times.
Sweden is incredibly easy at lower tiers, the reserve tanks sabo for gods sake, and perform way too well even in higher tiers, and do i even need to mention the Delat Törn? But after that, they are quite painful.
China is utterly brilliant, they get very capable soviet and american vehicles and are in my experience very competetive up until the Type 59, the tank itself is not awful or anything, but it has no business facing thermals when itself dosen't even get infrared... or powered turret traverse.
Overall i think China might actually be the best starting tech tree, because it has such varied gameplay due to the presence of American and Soviet vehicles, and also the ZBD-86 is bae, it can pen the front turret of a T-80U in my experience fighting in 1v1 with my friend
I really enjoyed picking up Sweden as my 4th tree because having APDS available from jump make for hilariously potent low tiers.
Hehe yep was my 3rd tree after discovering it had apds, the reserve tanks can even snipe the sides of leopard 1s in mid tier
love the subnautica music in the background :D
Makes video complaining about noobs in tigers, then makes video recommending the german tech tree to new players.
Repeat
Stonks
GeRmaNY bAd!!! Giv liks
Ohno with more noobs using Germany thier BR will keep getting lower until it’s gonna be a BT-5 vs king tiger
@@bastion8320 tiger2h, tiger2p, tiger e have stayed in the same exact br since release and only the tiger h1 has gone down from 5.7 to 5.3 since release. I don't even get half the fucking people who complain about tiger's going down in br every time. Honestly I'm starting to lose brain cells reading all these people not being able to think critically, do their brain's overload?
@@Charlietolemy No tiger 2 h is 7.0 they moved it up.
Italy, no cap
For me personally britain is one of the most interesting, fun and challenging vehicles(for veterans like me) the only thing I don't like about them is their high repair costs after 6.7 br.
i love the back round music subnautica nice it fits the video
USA + Italy are the BEST!
Italy 🤢?
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I will have to recommend Japan as either the first or second tree, it teaches the player many skills that will become very important later on. The Chi-Ha Kai, Chi-He and Ho-I are a very powerful low-tier lineup. The Ho-Ni I and Ho-Ni III are very good as well. The Ta-Se can be a budget Wirbelwind if used correctly.
Currently I am grinding swedish tech tree and I must say I'm really enjoying it. Especially rank 3+ tanks. Their guns are awesome.
As a player who grinded all the nation Tanks in the game, I can say that Germany is actually have the best tank overall.
But don't get me wrong, I enjoyed other nation more than Germany in war thunder because having constantly played vehicle that always overpowering other nation can make pretty damn boring experience real quick.
First; wow you must have been playing from the start
Second; FINALLY someone who recognises the fact that Germany is really op, looks like only WT veterans understand this
Why are germans op though? I remember clapping tigers and panthers with brit fireflies achilles and even cromwells. I dont play britain anymore but when i spotted a tiger i usually would go for the engagement, most of the times i would win them. And also on low tier their panzer 3s are shit
Althouh ru251 and leo 1 are quite good, i will admit that
@@gerwinsteenbergen6297 because they have best overall performing vechiles for example the firefly and such are specialized vechiles designed to kill tigers and such so obviously they are good at it but most vechiles aren't performing as good as german tanks played by good players
@@PA-xm5jp well british low tier is also pretty good, but youre right. A tiger can be a great weapon although panthers are a bit betted
I’d love to see you do one of these videos for specific lineups across different nations at specific br’s. German 5.3, US 6.3, French 7.7, etc.,
Italy was my second tree to rank up and I had fun as soon as you get into tier 2 they start to become glass cannons can 1 shot slot of vehicles but only really good at run and gunning or gorilla tactics. Even at later tiers they can 1 shot most tanks, decent mobility and speed but aluminium armor that can't even take the weakest of machine gun rounds. Although I feel like they lack spaa types and the repair costs that they've recently received at higher tiers have made them unplayable I mean even for planes the sagettario now has only 3mm pen explosive rounds and has a 40k repair cost. I love bringing in the tiny 1.0 tank into top tier and shooting out people's engines and hiding in points as distractions.
That last shot was sick
What happened to Italy?
“British tanks are the best at 7.0”
IS 3 and Marder would like to know your location
tbh marders only mess you up when they get the drop on you. if you catch them moving odds are you’re gonna land a shot first
Me having to restart the video over a minute in cause I was so mesmerized by the little spinning hatches on the SU-122
I found germany fun because of the way it fits me. The box like designs may have some armour but that can be fixed by just angling the hull and the low penetration power in rank 0ne and beginning of rank two make the play stile an interesting experience
Strongest: Russia
Easiest to grind: Russia
Best premiums: Russia
Stat-padding: Russia
Being a braindead but still do well: Russia
In order to make tanks to be crewed by drunkards, your engineers must think like drunkards (by getting plastered at the design board). Товарищ.
newer player, and my main tree rn is sweden. reached 5.0 recently, and I feel the pain, mostly bc all of the vehicles so far are either paper thin, open-top, or both. the only really rewarding playstyle is find a really well hidden spot and snipe. hoping it gets better around 7.0
excellent topic to talk about. air next?
I´m glad you didnt talk about Air since its in a state of complete chaos (Russia gotten the 3rd/4th or even 5th high end jet in a row). For the German tech tree (which I main and started with): Youre totally right about the "passive" playstyle. Either heavy tanks that are slow and therefore no use in capping but sniping with big guns or Main Battle Tanks with great guns and mobility but no armor so no use to go into CQB :D
I fucking KNEW it you sneaky bastard, you're putting Subnautica's theme song in the background, I thought I could hear that shit!
France has to be my favorite tech tree, 1.0 trough 2.7 can be a bit though but it is worth it once you get into 3.3 and 3.7, 5.3 and 7.3-7.7 are very fun to play, only 6.0-6.7 can be a bit hard.
France low tier can be OP with a little experience. I played a match when I was first grinding the tree on ash river (right top spawn point) and I made my way to the sloped path that leads from A to the enemy top spawn. I bounced easily 20+ shots in my S.35 against a panzer 3 and one or two other tanks.
You should do a similar video about the strogest and / or your favourite line-ups in Ground RB.
Just about to finish my 1st tec-tree (US). So this has given me a lot to think about
Tbh I’ve had the most fun grinding Sweden at 7.0-8.3 BR in my entire time of playing the game. The Strv 103 series and Ikv series of tanks have been extremely fun to play and I’ve definitely pulled some really dumb shit in them (like shooting down a heli with the main gun on the Strv 103A lol).
Hey spookston, in you're next vehicles that should be added to war thunder (or not added) you should discuss the LAV APC
Me listening to Spookston tell me that all of my starting tech trees have been bad choices for 5 minutes straight
in short, i took GB as my first tech tree (1 year and 3 months ago when i started with WT), i've quite enjoyed playing it in low tier, decent to good firepower, some gems with reliable armor like Valentines, others with nice mobility like Cromwells, although, where one has a lot, another has little, it demands adaptation. Mid tier is a pain and joy rollecoaster, requires patience, the lack of APHE is almost compensated with APDS, mobility is decent to poor, but 76.2mm guns pack a nice punch when you learn where to aim, same with the 83.4 mm guns. By this time im commenting, far i've reached are the Centurion Mk 10 and the Ratel 20, the british 105 mm gun is delightful to use, HESH is a little tricky but does the job against light armor. I'm grinding all ground trees, except for China and France right now.
Please I want to keep grinding britain, so tell me, how painful is the repair costs?
@@BritishGrenadier69 i need to confess, i was not expecting someone commenting on any comment of mine on YT. Anyway, Im out of War Thunder since mid April due to my potato PC. By the way, i think the Repair costs in GB ground tree less stressful than Germany for example, but air tree repair costs is pain, so get a premium time and high pot of silver lions if you cannot play more than 6 hours a day
@@rejados9019 Cool! Thanks!
I usually love playing France tanks and Italy air because there’s a lot of cool and interesting stuff early on.
I would definitely agree about the French having a very hard low tier grind. But after 5.0 it gets considerably better, especially starting with the m4a4 sa50. Top tier is also good, I find the Leclerc’s to be really good, although the lack of good light tanks or ATGM carriers at 10.0-11.0 is frustrating
France is ridiculously strong at 1.3, i mostly just played that to get myself past rank 2, which has a lot of filler foreign vehicles
I started with britian, got bored at tier 2 and then moved onto US, where I could improve more with different tanks, such as using the M10, where when I played Britian, all I really could play was the valentine