JoJo Siwa's Edgy 'Autistic' Rebrand
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The backlash towards Paige has been pretty heated over on TikTok. I do wish people would disagree with more compassion sometimes. I understand a lot of us have a tendency to get fired up about issues we feel strongly about. TikToks don’t really lend themselves to nuance either, which seems to cause issues (and maybe sometimes it’s a bit too easy to post without thinking it through).
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everyones allowed boundries
It's pretty sick how people lose their privacy once they become "public figures" or "celebrities." Where do we draw the line even? How do we have any control over our personal lives if we effectively lose our rights the moment we become "popular enough"? I have questions and it leads me to exclusively using a pseudonym for all professional purposes.
@@ryanmckenzie5918 exactly
Karra says I need to reinvent myself.
the only armchair diagnosis i approve of is when autistic people have headcanons of fictional characters being also autistic
me giving spamton from deltarune autism for no reason other than because im also autistic and i like to project everything about myself onto random characters i like
I agree. Tech from "The Bad Batch" definitely is autistic, just saying.
@@Bleplebeian Deltarune fan!!!!
Edit: I personally really relate to Kris being quiet when in school/any gatherings out of my comfort zone. This is literally how I look and behave.
@@BleplebeianSPAMTON MENTION !!! He has bipolar in my hc and debating on autism :3
Also I hc a lot of characters being autistic but my favorite hcs are Drunk Guy from The Living Tombstone (he's autistic + bipolar in my hc) and Jack Walten from The Walten Files (he's autistic in my hc)
Not gonna lie I just clicked to see what todays earrings would be. 10/10 choice btw.
😂 Love this!!
yeah samd lol
They look uncomfortable
meanwhile i click to see if there are new animals at the end ;P
They're light, don't worry 🥰
It is NOT appropriate to try to diagnose a person you do not know personally. Paige should have not made that video. However, the ableism in using autistic as an insult towards Siwa is a serious problem. Regardless of if Siwa does or doesn't have ASD, using autistic as an insult towards her is ableist which is more like what Paige should have said to convey her message. Jojo Siwa has had a messed up childhood as a TV star so the strange behavior could be because of that and not something like ASD.
I don't understand people claiming Siwa had a bad childhood.
@hyperbaroque I don't know very much about her, but I suppose being in the public eye from so young and I think the whole Dance Moms thing was very high stress. Obviously doesn't excuse you going on to hurt others in the same way, but may offer a bit of an explanation.
@@hyperbaroque jojo was the youngest person on dance moms and the treatment the girls went through because of abby lee miller was horrific, i really recommend looking into other former dance moms stars accounts of what happened on the show. i dont want to speculate how jojo herself feels but for most if not all children that sort of treatment is most definitely a bad childhood.
@@hyperbaroque on dance moms she was repeatedly shamed and humiliated in front of her peers. Made to cry and dehumanised.
Also her mother worked and worked and worked her. She has been performing since she was a toddler. She didn't get to have a carefree childhood, she became the household's breadwinner as a child. That's an immense responsibility and burden to place on a child.
Applying a label to someone is rude, just as invalidating them and calling them a faker.
However, for me, the bigger problem is that regardless of whether she's autistic or not, that is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT. Bullying someone is wrong, full stop. It doesn't matter if that person is autistic or not. Autistic people don't need to be infantilized, people just need to not be jerks.
Fun fact: having a diagnosis does not exempt any of us from accountability. Even if she is autistic, she’s still responsible for her own actions and her problematic behavior.
90% chance they're autistic if they do something cringe... that statement is a choice. If that were the case, the autism rate would be closer to 7 in 8, rather than 1 in 3. Most people have done or said something horribly cringe at some point in their lives.
Also, are those koi earrings?
They are! And you're so right - we're all cringe in our own way, autistic or not 😂💛
I kept thinking they had twinkle lights on them🤔
you mean 1 in 30?
@@intankavelmano yes. Thank you
Cringe culture is horrifically ableist. It preys on neurodivergent people's quirks. I hate the word "cringe" anymore because all people ever use it for is to bully someone who isn't hurting anyone.
Most cringe is from the same place as ableist harassment. Jojo doesn’t have to be autistic for the bullying of her weird behavior to be wrong. You can publicly bully an allistic neurotypical person and still have that bullying be ableist
Additionally focusing on the weird and the cringe distracts from the actual problems at hand here. Jojo Siwa was a child star and we have seen over and over the ways that child stars have had problems with growing up as regular people and she seems to be continuing the cycle of abuse. But dealing with those problems requires and understanding of systemic issues and a lot of nuance. And calling her weird and crazy is easy
this!! exactly what I’m feeling, thanks for saying all of this!
@@cloverplayssnakegamevery well said, I totally agree with you
Similarly, when Sikhs were attacked in the immediate time after 9/11 here in the US, that was specifically due to them being assumed to be "Muslims" due to racism, as the general bigotry here in the US was targeted at basically all Arabic peoples regardless of religion, "Muslim" was just the term that was used at the time by the major news organizations, and Americans are primed to see differencea along racial lines.
There is an impulse to see bigotry that is aimed at one group accidentally misdirected at someone who is not part of that group as "more tragic" or "less tragic" than accurately directed hatred, depending on how closely we identify with the actual victim compared to the intended target, but in reality it's the same suffering either way, and should be stopped regardless.
I agree. The rebrand itself -- allegations regarding her makeup line and tv show aside -- is not actually doing anything wrong. So it's kind of ridiculous the backlash this is drawing tbh
The comments about her being autistic and most dancers being autistic just seem so beside the point to me and unnecessary distractions. A better point would be to just say it's never okay to mock people just because they're weird, and people should limit their criticism to her immoral/damaging actions.
A disturbing amount of people, despite most of us learning about the scientific method, observation vs inference, and correlation vs causation in school, are under the impression that anything they can think of is reality as long as they *feel* like it's true, and they just say it with so much confidence with no further exploration. Can you imagine being that full of yourself?
Agree
I’m just being nitpicky but when Paige said that people shouldnt be rude to Jojo because “she is probably autistic” annoys me because that’s kinda implying that if the person you being rude to isn’t autistic or neurodivergent it’s completely okay to be rude or bully them. Even if that’s not what she meant, it’s what she is implying.
Also the scientists Asperger is an example of a person with autism who was shity, but it's fine to criticise him imo
This!!
my rule of thumb in terms of "armchair diagnosis" is as follows:
1. if I'm dealing with a fictional character, I allow myself free reign to say "this character is autistic" because I can mold them however I want in my mind and it's fine because at the end of the day they don't exist
2. if it's a real person (or even the actor playing the aforementioned character), I just keep it to myself and conclude it's not really my place if they haven't said anything publicly
I have a hard time keeping my thoughts to myself. So I often speculate but I don't do it online. Only with people I'm close to
@@emma2884 agreed! I went undiagnosed and I think many other people can definitely benefit from someone bringing up the possibility of autism
I absolutely love Paige, but she has a problem with seeing everything through her special interest, which is autism and seeing autistic traits in girls similar to her presentation. She has a habit of speaking on issues before she looks into the individual.
She believed people disliked Jojo because she was acting in awkward ways. In reality, it was because she was abusive to young girls in her tv show, as well as lying and engaging in questionable and dangerous behavior with those in her social circle. Not only is a lot of her behavior NOT reading as that with ASD (reading social conventions in such a way she could map out behavior that would give her fame at the age of 12), she is NOT for the disabled community. She has hurt and disrespected those in the disabled community. So it’s really harmful to try to associate these people with us, they will try to break us.
Agree with most of this but I really don't think she was manipulating people age 12, her mother was behind a lot of her fame and Dance Moms was a very high stress environment. I don't think it's fair to blame her for anything she did as a young child in the spotlight because the adults responsible for her did not support her in the ways she needed.
Yes calling out the contradictions that JoJo has said from interview to interview and her having to backtrack what she has said because she is saying such ignorant things has zero to do with a neurotype. Paige has missed that JoJo has been deliberately dressing like GFlip and the 'Kiss' take off to get headlines and people talking about her.
you can be ableist and disabled
Agree
@@horacethecheese1009 Page has shown issues like that herself
People calling anyone autistic as an insult is infuriating, it's true that i dislike some people but i can just ignore them. I can't control their life and im not going to bully them, let alone use a disability to insult them. I have ADHD and am autistic myself and even if i weren't i wouldn't do this.
it does make me angry too! i agree.
i have both of those too!!! and yeah ever since i realized im autistic and started being more and more confident that im not lying to myself (lol), ntm since i started in person school again not even 2 months ago, i sadly keep noticing more and more kids walking by me in the hallways saying “some autistic kid” or “dude ur autistic” or wtv in a way that it is so clearly meant to be an insult smh. they also call the hallway i literally have 2 classes in the sped hallway, which i had no clue was a thing lol (i mean obvi ik what special ed is but the way they say sped and label the hallway like that and act like ppl w classes there must be like severely high support needs or smth just makes me feel uncomfy fr)
Unfortunately it's just the way it is. People will use terms for disability as an insult. The words have changed from the spa$t1c in the 1980s, then came r£t@rd. At the moment it's acoustic, but it'll change in a few years time.
Don't get me wrong, people shouldn't be mean, but I really wish I had more reliance, especially when I was younger. Words only have power because we give them power.
The sad truth is that the only thing that will fix this kind of thing is if the whole world starts trying to treat others with respect, which is unlikely to happen. If these people would practice a little of that whole "do unto others" thing it would help. I mean, people still use "woman" to insult men. The implication is that if these things are insults then it must mean it's bad to be that thing for real. And folks don't care until it comes back around to whatever they are themselves, becoming the insult.
The usual pattern of fascism politics is to target LGBTQ people, women’s reproductive rights, Jews, then the neurodivergent before moving on to larger racial minorities. So expect it to get progressively worse soon. Especially if people start back up claiming Trump shouldn’t be elected because he’s autistic even though he’s not autistic, there are thousands of real reasons not to vote for him, and an autistic can be a good president. Last US presidential election there were thousands going around using autism as an insult against Trump and other candidates.
It’s mostly because she’s supporting child predators and basically overworked children in her child pop group. However I don’t support bullying or stalking people. Never heard about Jojo having autism though.
if it's about the actual problematic behaviors and connections, then say that. don't make it about "mUh AcOuSTiC/ePiLePTiC rEpReSeNtATiOn!" whether she's ND or NT, she's a space slice who's getting increasingly desperate over the fact that she's on 14:50 of her 15 minutes of fame and she'll latch on to anyone and anything that keeps her name in people's mouths.
tbh even if those are legit criticisms to make of her i’m not sure it’s accurate to say that’s mostly why people have been talking about her online.. i think most people making fun of her on the instagram aren’t talking about that as much as the fact that she’s being “cringe”
@@hughsaskin That’s true, she’s definitely profiting off all of it.
Reminds me a bit of the situation with lizzo where there were valid criticisms and problems but people just made it an excuse to bully her for stupid shit or how people kept calling andrew tate gay. Like there are problems please address those instead of just bullying people. I havent heard anything about her having autism but I do sort of agree with the one person not in them saying shes probably autistic but in the sense that it feels bad to watch someone get bullied for things that are associated with autism if that makes sense
Nah most people didn't Even know about that, they made fun of her for the rebrand, the associations with problem creators was an afterthought.
My mother forced me to take dance classes because she thought it would help my clumsiness. I was ostracized there just like I was everywhere else.
I'm sorry you had that experience! I always really wanted to do after school clubs but struggled just as much as I did at school with the social element 😭
😢 When girl scouts/brownies tried to start a troop in my home town, mom wanted me to join. I refused. I really didn't need to fail at a different thing at that point in life! I was already drowning in failure at school and playground.
This 😞 I had to drop out of dance and gymnastics bc I couldn’t cope with the social exclusion and sensory overwhelm It’s sad bc I enjoyed both activities, but didn’t stand a chance in that kind of environment
i did dance for 13 years and always felt like an outsider, even though i performed with and had classes with mostly the same people for those 13 years.
Yep. I had a class at the YMCA when I was 7. The teacher told me that if I ever wanted to be a ballerina I had to lose weight. I was seven. Did I mention I was seven? And this wasn't the royal damn ballet? It was the YMCA.
I hate people using asd as an insult. Growing up my dad would tell me to stop being autistic when I would act stressed or socially awkward. It would escalate to calling me r******* when I would have melt downs(we didn't understand what they were at the time.) I was later diagnosed with level 2 asd in my teens but now any sort asd related behaviors feel like im doing something bad because of how i was told that autism was negative while growing up):
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I am so sorry. That sounds very awful and traumatic 😢
I don't agree with Paige in saying that Jojo is autistic. Speculating publically is wrong and it shouldn't be normalised. If she publically announces that she is, then I have no issue with that
the thing is there isn't enough to even hazard a guess about it either. We only see what Jojo is wanting us to see on top of all of that.
I don’t understand why we have to perceive someone as being neurodivergent in order to call people out for harassment. If people have problematic behaviours call out the specific behaviour, but being cruel is just not necessary when there is so much legitimately concerning behaviour to address.
Ppl have the idea that unless you are part of an "oppressed class", you are priviledged and deserve everything bad that happens to you. It makes no sense but lots of ppl dont use basic logic.
i love her koi fish earrings
I LIKE IT AS WELL!!!!!
I agree with you about the dancer/autism thing. Especially since the frequency of dyspraxia is so much higher in ND people than the general population and that could potentially inhibit someone's ability/success in formal, competitive, and/or professional dancing
So true!
Yes that was my first thought too, incidence of apraxia are much higher and even without that being much more oopsy when you are overdone.
As one on the spectrum, i highly dislike jojo. Honestly i don't even dislike her for being "cringe" but rather how she's repeating abbey's toxic behaviors to the children on XOMGPOP. I don't like people using autism as an insult or excuse for her behavior. I also think it's not really good to say just because you notice one trait that they are automatically "autistic." I even had a situation like this, i had a ex crush whom was socially awkward, special interests with some OCD tendencies, like intrusive thoughts and anxiety and hand washing. But he got tested and it wasn't. And in general if ya don't know someone personally it just feels eh..to assume.
Also her blatant lies about her music. It's one thing to buy a song, that's pretty normal, not a lot of pop stars also fully write their own hits, but to just buy a song off the shelf and talk about it for hours on end in interviews about how much time was spent writing, rewriting, and meticulously picking words is insanity. The only addition I guess was her saying "eff around" instead of "mess around" as written.
@@Cheezus ah yes even that upsets me too qmq
Eh, as someone with OCD I know that mental health professionals are not perfect especially when it comes to our condition. I think something like 50% of OCD cases are first misdiagnosed, usually with GAD. And after a person develops symptoms of OCD, it takes something like 11-17 years to actually get a diagnosis on average. For some reason, Pure O forms of OCD (where obsessions usually take place around the identity and are sometimes taboo, while compulsions take place mentally rather than physically), are just less known in the mainstream and in the mental health community. Maybe it's because the nature of Pure O means that sufferers feel a lot of shame about their thoughts and fail to speak out, and that their compulsions take place in their head so people can't see them the way they can see more physical forms of OCD, and this has all made the "public idea" of OCD very different than what it actually is over time. Who really knows, but just because your crush wasn't diagnosed professionally doesn't mean he doesn't have the condition. I'm saying this because it brings up an interesting point about how sometimes sufferers can identify people with their condition better than the medical community. That doesn't mean that people shouldn't try to be professionally diagnosed, just that simply because someone went to school for 8 years but only had one 2 hour lecture on OCD doesn't mean their opinion is the end-all be-all. I know this video is not criticizing Paige for her armchair diagnosis because she isn't a doctor but because she doesn't know JoJo personally. But on the topic of armchair diagnosing, and the similar topic of self-diagnosing, this is just something to think about.
@@gymnasticsgirlie0647 Hey there! This is a late reply and i was meaning to reply but was busy, i wanted to say that is a fair point. Sometimes not all professionals are correct, and misdiagnosis is a possibility. I wasn't necessarily trying to say just because he wasn't didn't mean he didn't have it. I was saying don't notice one trait and jump the gun, kinda like i did, i made an assumption based around awkwardness, interests and anxiety. However, he which i didn't clarify wasn't tested exactly for OCD id find out which i think is what he had likely due to having more traits of OCD. But I'm no professional and even then, it's not right all the time. I just saw someone hurting and i wanted to help due to myself being on the spectrum with OCD tendencies. I do think that's a good point by just because one makes a onetime opinion its settled cause sometimes it's wrong which i agree with, i personally myself feel a bit nervous on self-diagnosis but if it's a good way to help understand yourself or help i don't think that's bad but i do think it can be if you don't know the person like how Paige is here with Jojo it feels not really right. I mean to just say "Oh they are quirky! it means autism" Granted I'm quirky and that's a trait but i just don't feel it's right to jump on that and hold it as fact unless the individual themself thinks that's a possibility or has more traits, i do also think if a individual notices traits within themselves and thinks they have it that's also fine i just think some should be careful on holding on to one thing and saying it as fact until are sure or maybe do get testing.
I speculated that a beloved *fictional* character was autistic once (w/ some evidence) & there were no positive comments, they were all bashing me for just merely suggesting that this fictional character could be autistic. It can be very dangerous to your mental health to publicly perform armchair diagnoses on figures either real or fictional. I hope Paige doesn’t take any of the hate comments to heart. I also don’t think she should’ve commented on Jojo being autistic
I'm sorry people had that reaction - I've seen comments sections like that before and it feels pretty ableist and closed-minded.
I see autistic traits in fictional characters too. Some of my autistic headcanons are Sherlock Holmes, Mr Darcy from Pride and Prejudice, and L from Death Note.
@@hannahbrennan2131mine is Arnold Rimmer from Red Dwarf and Ryo from the Shenmue video game series
@@DreamLionViolet I'm going to have to rewatch Red Dwarf now. Will be interesting watching him with that thought. Will I see what you see? Will I think he could be autistic? Let's see.
@@BrickNewtonnow that I look at rimmer through an autistic lens I feel pretty bad for him, I wonder if you’ll think the same?
you can hold her accountable and eve hate her for her problemactic things without getting off topic about the problem saying those autistic comments has nothing to do with james nor if she really has it does anything with james and all that real stuff
Yeah, definitely seems like her saying "Jojo Siwa might have autism" was the least important part of what she was trying to say. She probably didn't need to speculate on that, but that doesn't discount the main point she was making also
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Thank you! They sound sooo cute!! 💛
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I feel like you just ropped me into something I managed to avoid and still i watched it full
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I was kicked out of my dance class because I didn't "behave" or "do what I was told". Basically me dancing the way I wanted to dance because I didn't understand how to do it any other way. Also because I was a kid who wanted to play with the other kids and I was 'so hyper'. I was literally 3 years old and had undiagnosed autism and ADHD.
I feel like you chose that lipstick to compliment those earrings and I am here for it.
I always thought of dancing as not very neurodivergent-friendly, my experience was always getting made fun of in school because i didn't have the dexterity and coordination to do the dance moves, and dance class was the last place I wanted to be. Same with sports, I was always left out because no one would partner with me, for being bad at sports and dancing.
I never had an interest in sports, but I've always had an interest in dance. Unfortunately, because I present male, I was always pushed towards sports. As a 56+ year old adult I enjoy watching dance, but I don't have the coordination/etc to have realistically ever done it myself.
But, wouldn't it have been nice if dance was as ready available in schools as sports. Would have made my school years far more enjoyable.
I took dance for years, cuz dancing was a stim for me, but I kinda agree cuz coordination and choreography is so hard for me. When i just danced like.... how I felt the music?? I would get compliments, but if im trying to coordinate with others i would.... not be good. (Didnt get insults about it to my face, but I could tell on my own i wasn't doing good)
I have never been good at sports tho, the trauma of p.e. being so bad that as a 30 yr old i struggle to move my body in settings like that (like the only accessible way for me to work out is all by myself or with 1 other autistic)
@@home.sick27same here, I would always get surprised comments when I told people whatever I’d just done was entirely unrehearsed and off the cuff.
This just kinda...feels like projection. Bullying people is bad, it is kinda gross to make fun of people and to do so using ableist language is immoral. That is a different situation from conflating it with projecting yourself on to Jojo and thinking she's the same as you is another issue altogether prob better unpacked by a professional than the internet. I just feel really weird when people start to almost self-insert themselves onto things like this, it just kinda feels weird.
I wonder if it's an ND thing to sometimes over empathise with others and then the lines with our own identity start to blur a bit. I think I do this sometimes!
Autistic or not, JoJo just seems like a young adult who is exploring different expressions of their personality and stylistic choice. Being trapped in a particular "branding" must be incredibly stifling. Fans and consumers of JoJo's content are free to follow or not follow the rebranding (whether temporary or permanent or simply a transition to yet another rebranding) and they still have the earlier "groundwork" content to enjoy the "classic branding". If the rebranding is unprofitable, (despite being a liberating and creative outlet), it is JoJo's decision. If it results in a new influx of fans from a previously untapped demographic, that is also JoJo's right to pursue.
Granted, I'm not addressing any allegations of exploitive or abusive working conditions on any of JoJo's projects, I think those are still valid issues that need resolution, but that is a contractual matter distinct from the rebranding.
I think what you said is exactly the point. She doesn’t know who she is yet since she is only 20. She thinks she knows what she wants and such (the idea of wanting a kid in three years) but she is honestly still in that experimenting phase. She had no real childhood so she doesn’t have the maturity of her age to make good decisions.
@@dhf161 I wouldn't say she had no childhood, it's more like she never got to have her teenage years. I feel sorry that she never got to just be a teenager and has to do the awkward phase in the spotlight now. Her rebranding was only a distraction from the horrible conditions in Xomg pop and Jojo still associating with child predators though, and unfortunately I think the distraction has been working
I'm so glad to see someone else pointing this out. Being a celebrity and doing something artistically disruptive is really the least problematic part of her recent behavior and yet it's the part she's being raked over the coals for 🙄
This made me realise that I don't really assume or speculate that any celebrity is neurodivergent. I definitely think about cartoon characters and people in my life, but I don't think I wonder about celebrities and maybe even characters in live action shows/movies
I think a better take for Paige's video would have been to just say that the things people are making fun of Jojo for mirror ways that autistic people, especially young autistic people, get bullied. It doesn't really matter if Jojo is autistic. I find it odd that Paige is jumping at her defence. Using autistic traits disingenuously to farm reactions is icky. I find it suuuuper unlikely that Jojo doesn't know how people will react to the things she is saying. Her career is being a bold personality, and especially through this rebrand, she must be working with marketers to have this turn out in her favor. They wouldn't let her make a fool of herself this bad by accident imo.
I don't think it's appropriate to use harassment of a person who is not generally regarded to be autistic as an excuse to make a TikTok to say "hey autistic people get bullied too!" While it would make sense to bring up people shouldn't use ableist remarks to insult someone, Siwa getting shit and autistic people getting shit are two different things. It's literally only inserting your interests into a completely unrelated popular topic to drive attention to yourself. It's super sleazy.
@@spiritsafe-ko4ee I think that's an unfair summary of the situation but I get what you're saying yeah. The harassment in the comment section was very much tied to ableist attitudes so I don't think it's completely unrelated like you imply. That being said I agree that the video didn't need to exist because it definitely was out of left field to start diagnosing jojo via tiktok.
@@spiritsafe-ko4ee they arent really different though. Jojo is getting shit on for autistic traits and being called autistic as an insult that directly relates to autistic people being bullied. I also dont think anyone is saying “autistic people are bullied too” I think theyre saying “you shouldnt bully someone for being autistic or by calling them autistic regardless of if they are or not because of unrelated things”
Hi i know this has nothing to do with the video but i wanted to alert the public that when I got diagnosed with adhd, i joked with my therapist that if the diagnosis confirmed i have it then I would bring an adhd cake to our next session. I was confirmed to have adhd. That sunday, I brought a grocery store cake with "I have adhd" written on it by me in green icing. My therapist and I ate some and the rest was finished by my dorm mates. AUDHD for the win
thank you for sharing that sounds so fun
That is fantastic!
On your point about speculation, I think the key point is that it's not the conclusion of the speculation that's problematic, its the speculation itself. Often the process of speculating heavily involves stereotypes and personal biases, and the result of the speculating is usually a narrative about someones body or personal life that is beyond their control or consent.
This is very well put. It reminds me quite a bit of speculating on sexuality. It’s simply nobody’s business but the individual themself. Speculating publicly about someone who hasn’t outwardly said it could cause them to mask more or go more “into the closet”. Or if they don’t fall under those umbrellas it could bring about a lot of confusion and self doubt.
I hat to be THAT person, but I'm so glad I've actually been able to get to one of your videos this early! Because I actually have a chance of you seeing this, I want you to know that I find it hard to put my feelings into words, so your videos usually end up helping me in finding the correct phrases to use to describe those things. I hope that came out in the way I wanted it to lol, but basically your videos have really positively impacted me in real life, so thank you!
You're so lovely!! Thank you sooo much 🥰 It makes me so happy to hear that!
speculating that somebody who you don’t know has autism or any other disability or mental health issue is not right. It’s so invasive.
No, not necessarily. The start of my diagnosis was a friend of my wife who, after a brief conversation after me and my wife’s first date, said “oh so he’s autistic like my husband.” Since then I’ve pointed out to multiple friends that they also were most likely autistic which led them to their diagnosis. We were all in our 30s then.
Then there are conditions like schizophrenia and bipolar disorders. I used to be a teacher in a lockdown psychiatric hospital and most of our psychotic patients weren’t diagnosed until a teacher, family friend, and often a stranger off the street went up and flat out said “you obviously have (disorder here) and need treatment.”
Using the assumed disorder as an insult is always wrong, but I’ve seen too many lives saved and improved by armchair diagnosticians to vilify all or even most people who doing it.
@@AngryPug76 yes when it’s by family and friends because they know you I think it’s alright. idk when it’s ppl spectating on celebrities, it’s a bit iffy bc ppl don’t really know them.
I just want to say, I found your channel around 2 months ago and it's really helped me feel less lonely in being seen as different cause of being autistic. It has helped me understand some more things about myself.(i hope my grammar is ok, English isn't my first language)
Your English is PERFECT! Thank you so very much 🥰
i just know at 17/18 i was awkward and finding myself and i would not want that unsure, insecure, teenage to adult transition out there for the world to see
Jojo Siwa has abused children and has a lawsuit against her. This rebrand is a distraction. She also defends Colleen ballanger, todrick hall, and james charles all who have used and abused minors in some form or another. Jojo being one of them.
This
JoJo is a classic case of is it autism or is it severe child trauma 😭😭.
Was looking for this comment 😅
This comment. She grew up in the entertainment industry and was treated horribly on dance moms. Her becoming friends with people like Colleen and James could be because she doesn’t know any different and she finds comfort in abuse. Who knows, but I think her behavior is a lot more complicated, we don’t know everything.
I'm asking that question everyday regarding myself. The struggle is VERY real 😂
I've seen videos where people say that when in doubt it's probably both (not quite about jojo, just in general)
@@mr_cupcakes1808 That's so weird to me. I get that when in doubt that you should act like it's both by being understanding and compassionate but that wouldn't even be an issue if people were just understanding and compassionate in general as they should. But saying that it's probably both when in question just seems veeery unscientific to me.
I think you have to be careful not to be too definite but I find some benefit in discussing that some historical figures seem to show traits we now associate with autism. With all the articles about the rising rate of autism and adhd the fact that these traits have always been present is an important counter to that. And I think it may be important to discuss how older societies may have actually had methods to accomodate autism and adhd better than modern society and how we can try to recreate those factors now.
I think historical figures are a different ballgame than living celebrities. I'm writing a book "diagnosing" one right now. I definitely have enough information on him to fill out the diagnostic questionnaires quite accurately. His mom (likely autistic herself) kept 300 file boxes of letters and school and medical records dating from birth pertaining to all her kids. 2 siblings, his mom, one son and 10+ friends wrote memoirs and countless others contributed 1000s of pages of interviews to an oral history project. They all consistently describe autistic traits, without even knowing they were autistic traits. Not to mention, I have thousands of photos and several hours of video of him interacting with people so I can see his mannerisms for myself, like stimming and trouble making eye contact. Honestly, the doctors who diagnosed me were going off much less information about me than I have about my subject.
Privacy generally prevents one from ethically getting this much info on a living celebrity, unless the celebrity grants access. Plus, I feel like living people should have the right to choose if they disclose or not. But not identifying historical figures due to a blanket rule of never assessing anyone we haven't met only contributes to disability erasure which is all too common in history. However, I feel it needs to be done with some rigor, and it seems like most historical figures who people claim are autistic have not had that rigor applied (looking at you, Einstein). Maybe as more books come out, historians will become more comfortable with the concept and start actually taking the time to investigate the ones who have been widely presumed properly, systematically compiling statements from their contemporaries to address each of the diagnostic criteria, instead of just having lay people basing it on assumptions.
My experience with Layle's content is that she has a lot to learn. This doesn't make me super comfortable with the size of her audience or the way she's a face of the autistic community. I hope the community continues to hold her to account for stuff like this, and she grows into the role sooner than later. Instead of "Siwa is quite possibly autistic, and therefore it's not ok to give her shit, so stop," one might try "I'm autistic, and I recognize the things people mock in Siwa in my own autistic traits. This is the way autistic people are bullied. This hurts me and other autistic people a lot more than it hurts Jojo. That's why it's still wrong even if she's a bad person: the rest of us can still hear you." One can't diagnose a celebrity because they see themself reflected in videos of the star. But they _can_ talk about how this association makes the mistreatment of that person so painful _for them _! (Also i think the majority of the jokey heckling about hating the song is harmless fun, and publicity Siwa thrives on.)
I think the reason she popped off is not because of the quality of her content but because when she first started it was almost unheard of to see a conventionally attractive and feminine woman be "out" as autistic and talking about it. She doesn't actually know what she's talking about and has let all the attention go to her head. I'm uncomfortable with her "representing" the community as well. We need educators and organizers, not a pretty face flippilantly spewing out unfiltered thoughts like it's gospel with her only source being "trust me, bro"
I have no idea whether she's autistic or not, but i honestly think that's besides the point.
I believe people are just hopping in the hate train and finding different excuses for their behavior, cause it doesn't really seem like they're trying to defend or support victims, they're just trying to hate on Jojo. But they don't really seem to pay attention that all these alleged child-predators met (and "befriended") her WHEN SHE WAS A CHILD. Idk, I'm mostly just concerned for her, her mother doesn't seem like a very nice person and has always exploited her for money since she was very little, and Jojo has grown to perceive this as normal behavior and clearly deeply loves and trusts her mom (who is also the person who introduced her to all this people).
I don't think it's okay, but these scandal with the child grupo does not surprise me at all. She doesn't seem to have had a lot healthy relationships with adults as a child, and now that she's becoming an adult herself it's no surprise that she may fall into this patterns.
Idk if i have a conclusion with this, but i wish people would actually think before speaking or not speak at all, because it really does seem like they're just waiting for the next "problematic" person to hate on.
hit the nail on the head.
I agree. What's going on is bad, but the person who was herself a child when it started and is barely an adult now is not the person we should be blaming
Thanks so much for your videos! I really appreciate them and have learned so much about my autistic self through them (shout out to monotropism!).
It always bothers me when people say, "we shouldn't make fun of weird people because they might be/are probably autistic." We shouldn't make fun of weirdness, period. Specifying "because they might be autistic" feels infantilising to autistic people, like we should be uniquely exempted from bullying because we're "special." And also it implies the really weird take that bullying non-autistic people would be ok. Like, what?
And then just generally speculating publicly as to whether someone is autistic (or disabled, or queer, etc) feels weird at best and harmful at worst. Like, what if that gets back to the person and they don't have the support to deal with that realisation? What if they know, but aren't ready to or never want to acknowledge it publicly for whatever reason? I generally feel weird about the culture of speculating or wanting information about the private lives of celebrities, and the whole culture of celebrity generally, for what it's worth.
With respect to JoJo Siwa's harmful behaviours, it feels like a difficult balance between calling out harmful behaviours and also holding the knowledge that she was a child under the influence of toxic adults for much of it. And is now a new adult who may or may not have been victim to some of the behaviours she is supporting, based on the spheres she was in as a kid. Like, many of her actions are very not ok, *and* if you haven't been modelled decent behaviour, it's hard to know better. Which doesn't excuse you from the harm you cause. Gosh it's complicated. And also feels weird to speculate about too much.
Anyways, thanks again!
This was a really good point to why outing people about their identities is a mistake!
I will say, I do get neurodivergent vibes from JoJo Siwa, but I wouldn't go so far to say that there's a "pretty good" chance that she's autistic. I am also far more bothered by the way that people are making fun of JoJo than I am by Paige Layle giving JoJo an armchair diagnosis. I do notice that Paige seems to make a lot of observations that I would generally agree with, but she overexaggerates them. Like I completely agree that there are a lot of neurodivergent dancers and I do think that the prevalence of autism and ADHD among dancers is probably much higher than the general population. As an engineer myself, I also find that the prevalence of autism and ADHD are much higher among engineers and scientists.
This. ALL of this.
The way I took what Paige said is don’t make fun of people by calling them autistic as the person you are making fun of could actually be autistic.
This literally happened to me. My abusive ex used to insult me by calling me autistic, back then I didn’t have a diagnosis yet
@@Cmana494 that’s absolutely terrible. He was being mean to you so he would feel better. I guarantee had you had a diagnosis he would have called you something else. Some people are just bad people.
Yes exactly!
i love ur vids! you’ve rlly helped me as an autistic teenage girl. keep it up!❤
I'm so glad to hear that! Thank you 💛
I am not extremely autistic, but I just CAN'T dance. I feel very uncomfortable trying. I tend to move very cautiously no matter what I'm doing and dancing just doesn't fit into that for me.
your earrings are so so so pretty!
Thank you! They're from this lovely Etsy shop: www.etsy.com/uk/shop/GeesJewelleryShop
I don't think armchair diagnosing is okay, hardly ever is it okay. Also, I agree with Meg about the whole "most dancers are ND." That was not my experience at all. I took dance classes for five years and I felt even more out of place than I did at school. Dancers can be incredibly mean and when they find someone who's "different," they tend to all band together just to pick on that person. That was my experience, a lot of being picked on. I only stayed because I love to dance. If I didn't, I would have never gone back.
In regards to JoJo Siwa, I understand that she's friends with people who have done a lot of problematic and potentially even predatory things in the past. That is not okay and she's a grown adult now who needs to reevaluate those relationships. However, what I really don't like about the particular way people are piling on her online is that they're using the "JoJo, have you learned nothing?" phrase and the whole thing with "acoustic" and saying her dance moves "look like an epileptic seizure." They're using a phrase that happened during a time in her life where she was getting criticized and hated on a lot by someone who should have been grown enough to know better. And they're using actual conditions as derogatory terms and insults. This kind of making fun of someone is not okay. It's not. I don't care who someone hangs out with; nobody should be spoken to like that.
Undiagnosed high masking autists can be just as mean to anyone who's different as allists can, if not more. Because letting the mask slip and becoming a target themselves would be a calamity, and while they're still under the impression that they're normal, but just bad at it, anyone that's worse at being normal than themselves receives the brunt of their self-hatred.
The problem is that autistic is seen as a slur. I think it's a compliment.
It's neither. Autism is not a superpower nor a curse, it's a disability.
@@LettiKiss only because the world doesn't work on our terms.
@@ruthhorowitz7625 Not really, not all struggles in autism come from societal causes.
@@LettiKiss for some people, society IS the only problem.
@@savethenacktschnecke for *some* people, sure, but society being structured differently isn’t going to, for example, stop me from experiencing shutdowns over the sound of my own heartbeat being too loud and feeling too much. There’s no way to structure society in a way that it won’t be over or understimulating for some people, it’s simply not possible. Society is definitely *a* problem, but it’s not the *only* problem. For some people autism is just inherently disabling no matter what society is like.
I feel like Paige could have made the same point in her video without speculating on whether or not Jojo is autistic. She could have said something like “the reaction to Jojo’s rebrand reminds me of autistic people being made fun of online” and made a connection between those two examples instead of outright just saying that Jojo might be autistic. Whether she is or not, it’s horrible and ableist for people to use autism (and other conditions like epilepsy) as insults against her. Talking about that is important and good enough on its own. Paige’s diagnosing seems very unnecessary.
I love those earrings and the little pin! Your channel has been really important for me as an autistic person
I guess congrats - I haven't noticed either! Looking forward to hearing your thoughts :-)
It doesn't matter if someone is autistic or not, making fun of them over things like how they move, talk, look, dress, or act, is always bad.
People should be allowed to "be cringe" regardless of if they're "actually autistic" or not.
Regarding Paige’s claim that all dancers are autistic and/or adhd:
First off, I do think it’s an obvious overreach and far from accurate. But-I think she was intentionally exaggerating a little. And I think if we dug into this a bit, we might be more inclined to at least understand where she’s coming from. For example, I think if we were to narrow the pool to professional lifelong dancers with no real desire to quit-I would be willing to place a relatively significant bet that the percentage of NDs in that group would be some noticeable degree higher than average.
And stepping back a bit, I think that’s a reasonable assumption for countless interests and professions in which commonly ND traits could be an advantage. Chess and pool are two of my own special interests, and I would be willing to make similar bets in those categories as well. Same with pretty much every doctoral level study or “extreme” sport. None of these folks is average in the first place. It requires abnormal levels of patience, study, understanding, problem solving, etc. to excel at such a high level at pretty much anything. ND or not, these people are already not typical. It makes perfect sense to me that more of them than average are specifically not neurotypical.
Regarding doctoral level of academics, speaking as someone with a PhD, yes, I would agree that there is a higher percentage of ND people in those programs than you would expect just by chance (at least in the natural sciences). I think part of the reason may be that graduate school is a pretty grueling experience (at least in the US), requiring you to spend the vast majority of your time studying one very specific topic to the exclusion of almost everything else in life. If you are autistic and that topic is your special interest, devoting so much time to it feels less burdensome and you are more likely to be able to stay and complete your program. There is also certain expectation and acceptance that scientists will be socially awkward and/or “eccentric,” which means if you stay within that environment you may have less need to mask which may make it a more attractive environment for autistic people. To be fair, it could also mean there isn’t necessarily a greater percentage of autistic people present, just that they are more noticeable because they are not masking as much as they might be in other environments.
Same way I think most *if not all* artists (musicians, actors, etc) are ND.
@@elisabethmontegna5412as someone who also has a PhD, I tend to agree with this. Although I’ve met many NTs. I’d say some personality disorders are also well represented in the natural/biomedical sciences. I would even say that some program look for a certain amount of narcissism in their students (not saying they have NPD, but narcissism is definitely well represented in the sciences)
Your point about noticing certain traits in others is interesting. I just relate the behavior to myself like if i think someone is experiencing dyscalculia i'll say something like "yeah sometimes i look at a number and then my mind will see a different number and when I look back it changes." or i explain "oh hey did you know that some people have dyslexia for numbers it's called dyscalculia." and if they find it relatable it goes into the memory bank to consider themselves and if they don't then they now know about something new that some people experience. when it comes to my autism i'll usually explain why the thing is related to my autism because allistic people can do autistic like things too and same with adhd. It helps me relate to them without assuming anything about them and generates interesting conversations.
I'm also queer and grew up in a time when you didn't out people because it's not up to others to decide when someone is ready to come out of the closet. I think that sentiment can be related to modern queerness and neurodivergence. There's a way to speculate privately to feel like there's representation without demanding people analyze themselves in ways they may not be ready to do. Giving people space to figure themselves out in their own time is common respect and staying neutral like asking pronouns, not assuming any sexuality for another person, not assuming that someone is or isn't neurodivergent are all part of that. There's no shame in letting people decide their own expression and identity and people can be relatable without being the same.
I’m autistic as well and for people to use autism/ autistic to insult someone is pretty ableist itself because autism is an neurodivergent identity along with adhd bpd ocd etc( you name it) that you don’t choose AT ALL.
It’s unfortunate that people misuse autism and mistake being awkward with being terrible and it’s irritating. I mean, I’m not perfect and I am still learning as a human being. But I’m not abusing anyone and then supporting p*dos.
I’m not Going to speak for jojo because that’s not my place at all
But yeah, stop using autism as an insult please it’s getting annoying
Thanks
As a suspected ND person, thank you for your content.
What you describe as "taking the autism pill" and seeing it everywhere is a known neurological phenomenon, in general. It's known as the Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon, Frequency Illusion, or colloquially as "the blue car effect."
When you learn a new word, for example, you start to notice that word more often for a while. New and novel information is more interesting to the brain for a period of time, and we tend to notice things that interest us more readily.
Wow, I"m here, and it's been posted less than a minute ago... I'm honestly impressed.
I really enjoy your content. You put so much thought and professionalism into your vids. Your editing is great, too.
Thank you! That's so lovely to hear 💛
I'm just jumping in to comment on your response to Paige saying that she believes all dancers have autism or ADHD or both. I am only speaking from personal experience and take that for what it's worth...
I agree with you in that it is ridiculous to work in absolutes when it comes to neurodivergence, I don't agree with Paige that every single dancer or performer is neurodivergent, however, I totally see the point she's trying to hit on. As an autistic person with ADHD who was also a special ed teacher for 20 years and ran the theater program, I can tell you that autism and ADHD are HIGHLY overrepresented in the Performing Arts. No, wait...Overrepresented is not the right word... REPRESENTED is. You can't have too many either lol, that's also impossible.( Sorry, having a bad word locator day. ) What I mean is you'll find a lot more of us drawn to dance because it really helps with proprioception. It may all be unconscious that the kids that are drawn to this not even realizing they're picking up skills that can help them be more successful in their outside or social lives. It gives them a group they belong to immediately. Theater people are always family with each other. Also, we generally tend to be pretty weird and tolerant of everybody's weirdness 😂 I know i am, and I only learned of my neurodivergence in my adulthood. But on stage I could be anybody ANYBODY. I could do anything it just had to be written in the script, something we naturally do anyway and it's literally somebody telling you how to hold your hands, how to hold your legs, super necessary skills and often that do not come easily to autistic people. For ADHD it is a constant movement and I have had so many children who could not work in the classroom if they were seated in a chair they had to be up and walking around and moving to think so that may be also a part of the draw to dance. All I'm trying to point out here is that she does have a partial point but it's wrong to speak in absolutes.
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Edited to add that Taylor Swift actually donated $10,000 to my school for our theater program and made it possible for us to have phenomenal equipment. Respect for life for Taylor🎉
I really wish people would stop dehumanizing neurotypical people. They are also capable of cringe, of mistakes, of liking dance. I’m autistic and hate dancing. It makes me feel super invalidating to say all dancers are autistic because it suggests that autistic people must love to dance, and therefore, I must not be autistic.
Saying all dancers are autistic is not saying all autistic people are dancers. That literally does not make sense. Personally I think there are a lot of neurotypical dancers, but I think there could be more of a percentage of autistics in dance because a lot of autistic people are drawn to the arts and may learn differently (and maybe use dance to release stimming etc). If there is a higher percentage in one space it does not mean all the other spaces are empty.
I feel like people with autism are the opposite for dance and stuff, like yeah I want to move my body and stuff but that's something I can't really express without being self-conscious when I'm around other people. like going to a dance class sounds like a nightmare. dancing in my room to music I like that's great but the two will not cross over necessarily so I don't know what this person is talking about. Maybe she actually isn't autistic and has ADHD or because there's something that she's completely projecting on to everybody around her. Maybe it's to make her feel not so different and or alone
17:00ish I read "speculate privately" as keeping it to yourself in your head, not gossiping with your friends
Honestly feels pretty deceptive to be acting judgy about people who picked that option when I highly doubt I'm the only one who interpreted the option the way I did.
My flatmate is like this, she expects her partner to to everything. She made a massive mess in the kitchen and I asked her if she could tidy it and she said "my partner will do it when she gets home from work" like this girl doesn't work, she does study and was on study break and kept making messes for her partner to deal with. She really fks me off and i have no idea how tf her partner is so chill.
That's like my sister, she's so frustrating like that, she just makes a mess and THEN JUST WALKS AWAY. Like... Clean that up, it's yours.
Then I end up cleaning it up.
Love the carp earrings!
The thing with Jojo Siwa, is shes nothing anything new, people have done this for years with any celebrity that finishes their adolesence and becomes an adult. People will get mad and hate on any child star, but JoJo will grow out her phase and become normal again.
Hope you are doing well Meg!!!
i agree i think armchair diagnosis should be avoided in real people, but you can head cannon characters all you want because they are characters up to interpretation. i had a friend who told me they thought this couple we both watch on youtube were a beard for each other. i didn't know what a beard was at first but they then explained it as: a couple who presents as straight but are actually just covering up their true sexualities using their relationship as proof like "see im not gay im in a straight relationship". i took issue with this because i felt uncomfortable with them assuming that these real people are lying about their relationship. and either way does it matter? if they're each others beards who cares? or doesn't affect you or their content and if you don't like it don't watch them. (no hate to my friend who said this i'm just explaining a similar situation i've been in)
Interesting conversation. I’m incredibly enthusiastic about autism and I forget that some people want to keep things private. I’ve also been affected greatly by random things that people said that seemed like overstepping at the time, but I was able to learn more about myself and it really benefited me in the end. Sometimes my desire to “help” takes over and I already don’t have a very good filter. :/
Also, I was raised around artists and studied and taught art, Neurodiversity appears to be pretty common in creative fields. I was never really questioned about my behaviors until I started working with more neurotypical type people.
Trying to diagnose someone and analyze the minute details of their behavior is a one way street to making the target person super uncomfortable, so it generally is better to let people be themselves without judgement 👍
Imma make a video where I talk about a trauma dump from dance class as a person with dyspraxia . Ooooof not sure if I should animate it or just do a sit down video. But it was nice to hear you had trouble in dance class too and I’m not alone. Well not good to hear… idk you know what I mean. X.x
Ooh, send me a link if you do! Sorry that you went through that 💛
@@imautisticnowwhat Thank you for your kindness, I will do that! :)
something my therapist told me early on in my journey was that i had "OCD features." which meant i ticked *some* of the boxes, but not enough for a full-blown OCD diagnosis. i think we would do well to treat online speculation the same way, framing it as "you seem to have some ADHD features" or "you're demonstrating some autistic behaviors." i read a lot online about how things like decision paralysis or having difficulty starting a task were traits of ADHD in adult women, and that gave me something to look into without explicitly labeling me ADHD. i'm still exploring a lot about my mental health and my identity, maybe i'm autistic, maybe i'm ADHD, maybe i'm both, maybe i'm neither! maybe i just have AuDHD *features.*
You could have OCD tendencies which can be called OCB "Obsessive compulsive behaviors", with autism. It's a trait sadly not a lot of yotubers talk about. I have it, i tend to loop or ask questions or check till i feel relief but i don't have OCD as a diagnosis.
Also i whole heartedly agree with this comment!
Another point about Paige, she seems to think she can talk about for the whole autistic community. She’s also been in controversy about racism and has made some bad apology videos.
Really?
Completely agree! Also your koi fish earrings are lovely!
I love that you decided to make this video bc even tho I had never thought about whether Jojo might be neurodivergent or seen any of the Paige discourse, I had been feeling uncomfortable with how many of the traits people were mocking JoJo for are also things that are common with neurospicy people and/or things we get mocked for, so I think that's a problem regardless of why they're mocking her or whether she is ND
Don't care about Jojo... but those earrings are FIRE,
God THANK YOU for addressing the abuse allegations against her everyone has been letting her win by talking about the song and stuff and glossing over all that which I imagine is her goal
The idea of things being “cringe” is inherently immoral because it creates an environment in which only specific ways of being are acceptable and anything different is wrong, which harmful to everyone, but ESPECIALLY autistic people. It’s disgusting to see the backlash she has faced. I wish everyone who considers things “cringe” would get some therapy for how bigoted and miserable they are.
Been looking forward to this all week! Missing the twice-weekly uploads.
Aww, thank you! I recently lost a family member, and I've also had a bit more life admin than usual, but hopefully I'll be posting more again soon 🥰
@@imautisticnowwhat My condolences
@@imautisticnowwhat I'm so sorry for your loss. Hopefully!! 🤞
what i hate the most is that they use legitimate problematic things that jojo siwa has done/is associated with as an excuse to insult her with mental disorders/illnesses. Absolutely hate it. Just because she's done problematic things or is associated with problematic people (& it's valid to dislike jojo for it), doesn't automatically give u a pass to insult her in that way. That's like with nikita, her being a groomer should not warrant transphobic comments. Those type of insults hurt a whole group of people, not JUST jojo or nikita, or whoever ur insulting in that way. You can insult someone without throwing a whole group of people (with real, valid struggles & experiences) under the bus.
Just want to say you are so kind! In all of your videos, you’re so kind, pleasant and entertaining. I enjoy your videos so very much!
great discussion as always, and i am loving your fish earrings!
Oh brother, Siwa is just trying to go with the bad girl image to revive her popularity. Classic.
Didn’t expect to be this early lol. And your koi fish eating are so cute!
Thought I'd chime in a bit as someone who works in the art/entertainment industry: The other thing about working as an artist (especially a musician) is that we have to act in a certain way in order to be successful. Some of the things we have to do may look like some neurodivergent traits like extreme focus on detail, monitoring body language or masking, etc. That's part of branding, and is not necessarily a trait the person would have if they weren't in that industry. So I think some people see neurodivergent traits when it's actually a trait celebrities have developed for their profession. I hope that makes sense? As always, great video.
Was just watching a jojo siwa deep dive your timing is perfect
I wanted to ask the community what you guys think about the "Karen" videos?
Yes, some of the "Karens" are problematic and are trying to stir controversy, such as calling the cops on a little girl selling lemonade because you don't trust their race, which isn't right - but i started seeing a ton of videos of people also labeled as "Karens" in the middle of a melt down, crawling around in a store telling people to stop filming them and to stay away from them. People film it and post it online when its obvious to me, the person is not intentionally being problematic. Then they go viral, lose their jobs, relive the embarrassment, when they're actually just having an autistic meltdown, or could possibly just be having a meltdown. Then the world calls them a karen. I can share examples if anyone asks. Does anyone else notice this? Perhaps you could discuss this in a future video?
calling someone out on their BS is one thing, bullying them is another. im only 10 min into the video rn and it seems like the people bullying her don't care about the controversies involving her, so they should stop. it is silly that she thinks she invented a new genre of music and that going from one aesthetic to another is the most drastic change ever made, but people shouldn't bully her for that
Love your earrings, your outfit is amazing!
I just discovered your poll a few days ago, happily surprised to see it as the topic of a video now! I agree that celebrities are entitled to privacy and consent just like anyone else. While I enjoy quirky behavior, I don't understand the point of people gossiping and overreacting to it. Often it feels like: "This person is just looking for attention! How cringe. So now I am going to give them attention anyway!"
That can also be a behavioral adaptation. Growing up I was super-weird, and often became the focus of attention. So one way to master that narrative was to lean into it, and be even more enthusiastically weird. I didn't particularly want attention, but I developed some skill for turning it into positive attention at least.
19:11 somewhere around that time; what you talking about sounds a lot like the thought processes I was going through when I was trying if I was in fact autistic or just really weird.
Turns out both!🙀😸😺
Coincidentally, i had just watched a 1 hour video essay on jojo siwa and this video came ou. And yes, i do agree with what you're saying. Wheter or not jojo siwa is or not autistic, the point is that bullying is imoral, and especially use conditions as a way to offend someone. This ableist "phenomenon" that has been happening on tik tok comes with a lot of problems (obviously), but i think one of the most dangerous issues that it creates is this propagation of missinformation about ASC, and neurodivergent overall. The neurodivergent community is already so missunderstood, and even tho progress has been made on representing and informing the general population correctly about what it actually means being neurodivergent, this massive ableism happening on tik tok just seems like we're taking a step back, as hate and false statements are spread around the internet and, consequently, society! Also, i really love the channel, and it helped me and has been helping me a lot in this journey i am of understanding myself, so thank you so much!
I didn't know who Jojo Siwa was, but I like the way you present information. Hope you keep finding stuff to make videos about!
Always love your videos, Meg. I appreciate that you wrote part of the video to make a distinction between the outright bullying against Jojo from the criticisms of her career and the choices that she has made. Autistic or not, celebrities and online personalities can be criticized for the choices that they make and should be held accountable for any harm caused. I personally enjoy viewing Paige’s content, but that doesn’t mean I agree with everything that she says, nor do I think it’s okay for her viewers to mobilize against people who critique her content or just flat out don’t like her. Everyone has different tastes and limits to what they are comfortable with and when celebrities and content creators cross those limits, it’s up to viewers to voice their discomfort without bashing on or discriminating celebrities who are just people, too. These kinds of nuances are hard to see in these scenarios when tension and feelings are high or viewers have an all or nothing attitude. However, Meg has crafted yet another wonderful video that touches on these points without overstepping, while also highlighting that human rights are deserved by all people.
I love your voice sm!! I love watching your videos
That's so kind! I'm glad it's not annoying 😂🥰
@imautisticnowwhat literally the opposite of annoying! It means so much to me that you replied, you're one of my favourite content creators :)
Your voice is so comforting to listen to
Aww, that's so sweet of you to say!! 💛
Agreed
"Safer to assume someone is autistic rather than not"?
That one line alone, gave me such a red flag... and is hard to explain why.
Not only there is a HUGE generalization in her speech against dancers, but it just gives this shield to protect anyone over criticism.
Yes, not every video against Jojo is a criticism. Many are just taking a piss. But many ARE using comedy, as a way to criticize her awful character and personality
Her saying all that just implies that, if you have a problem with Jojo, you have a problem with autistic people.
That is how I understood her video, and why this line just... rubs me wrong
I love all the work poured into your video
But the horse presenting an uneasy and kinda avoidant look deserves an oscar ❤
Audhd love from France
love the nail colour in this one!
Thank you 💛