THEY CHANGED THE KEY! | She is my Sin by Nightwish Reaction @Wacken 2013
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- Опубліковано 7 кві 2020
- I don't think I've heard Nightwish change key from the original song very often, but this time, they actually did! But Why? Is it a good thing or a bad thing? And what does that say about a singer's ability? 😎 Answers in the video!
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Hey beautiful people! I can't reply to everybody in the comments at this point or I'd be spending my days doing that (instead of creating new music and new videos) but I want to thank you all for leaving them over here! I try to read them, and I wished I could answer to everyone personally but I'm only one against a whole army 😆 You guys are amazing though, and I feel really encouraged by your positivity!
A few things came up often:
#1: It's very much possible that dropping the song is just a happy by-product of a guitar tuning decision, but nonetheless I stand with thinking that this key really sounds great in Floor voice, and allows her to strain herself less, so I'm very much approving this change for her!
#2: My stuff might have become a bit more nerdier, and I'm very happy you guys are liking it. I'm starting to think I could start making videos that are a bit more general on some of the things I mention only very quickly, and some general concepts about the singing voice etc so you guys can be better equipped to understand what I'm talking about a bit deeper. I wouldn't frame them as tutorials, but rather as objective "this is how things work or are called" sort of videos. Let me know if you think it's a sort of video you'd like to watch from me!!!
Hope you guys are staying safe and I see you in the next one!
Elvann
Sir yes Sir, the Nightwish Army is watching you! 😉🤩
You would probably have to put in a few seconds of videos and that would be a lot of work (Many people need to listen to understand what the technical terms mean). And of course, you would have to put a lot of these little snippets with the (oh, no) 3 nightwish singers. That would definitely be the 3rd World War. LOL
Yes and no. YES I would like you to do that (I like the technical part in music, so Floor has more to offer),
but NO if you are going to take up so much of your time. It has to be pleasurable for you and only then is it justified.
Your covers are beautiful, but your authorial music is beautiful. I liked your version of Within Temptation during Live, last weekend. Hug from Brasil.
A reaction to "She is my sin"? Did the hell freeze? The step child of Wacken 2013? Thanks. finally someone did it again.
love your, incisive, balanced, frustrating and rewarding ..all at the same time, reaction..( and you are very easy on the eyes as well)
Nightwish has transposed all of the songs that were released before Century child, because then Emppu and Marco doesn't have to have 5 instruments (3 is enough now) on tour for example Emppu should have D-tuning guitar + back up, E-tuning guitar + back up and one extra guitar for warming up in backstage. All of the songs that came after Wishmaster are played in D-tuning and the first three albums are in E-tuning so I'm pretty sure, that it is the reason why the have lowered old songs with one whole step. Also Troy's pipes are tuned to D, but I agree that some of these songs are more comfortable to sing a bit lower like this one. Anyways great reaction and I hope you are feeling great and stay healthy 😊
Nightwish have confirmed publicly more than once that this is the primary reason they play that older material a step down live. It's mostly a happy coincidence that transposing them one step lower makes them suit Floor's vocal range better.
@@somedigitalist7681 Yea exactly, but I remember when Emppu used to play his purple Esp for D-tuning songs and white Esp for older songs, but that ended in Dark passion play world tour in 2007.
Floor is also "naturally tuned" to D as her big note is often a D6
And i think it all sounds better anyway...
@@somedigitalist7681 Tarja's comfortable range is really high, so it wouldn't have bothered me if that ended up being the reason. Those highs have got to be rough night after night, but that makes sense not wanting to carry extra EQ. Especially when you have to make sure everything gets from place to place safely.
I love how you've gotten nerdier in your analysis! It's great, while I don't understand music theory or anything I do learn things. So thank you for that.
I just sit here and nod and smile at the pretty lady speaking Klingon .. happily :)
@@eTraxx awwwnnn
Thanks to you for watching my videos! :D
Lovely to see how happy the other Nightwish members are playing on stage. Floor renewed their energy for sure.
First of all...Hello. First time viewer.
Secondly...Man, some of these comments are kind of mean!
I'm a relatively new Nightwish fan. I listened to a little Nightwish in the early 2000's, but life and other interests took precedence. Floor Jansen is actually the reason I have become a fan. The new album is FANTASTIC, by the way.
Now, for the reason I'm commenting...being somewhat of a veteran stage performer AND a metal/rock fan from way back (years before you were born, I would assume), it's not uncommon for bands to drop the tuning for live shows. My band only dropped tuning a half step, but that made a world of difference when we were covering, say, Iron Maiden, because we always played four 1 hour sets in a night. When we opened for Dokken, Great White, Lynch Mob and Skid Row (all different shows) and I only had to sing a 45-55 minute set, it was liberating because I could put everything into one short performance knowing I didn't have to save anything for the rest of the night. Now, if i had a 90 minute set to sing, 5 nights a week for the next 2 years, I would definitely be asking the band to give me a break and tune down that other half step.
If you go back and listen to studio tracks by DIO and then compare to their live performances, they dropped the tuning as much as a whole step, like Nightwish has with this song. I know a LOT of bands did that back in the day because of the strain on the singer to maintain their voice during the grind of a drawn out tour (especially considering the hard lifestyle that was all too common with bands back then).The fact that Nightwish transposed some songs to make tech easier is an interesting one, and something I had never considered. That's a very good idea and makes a lot of sense.
Anyway, I enjoyed your reaction AND your analysis. :-)
~ Chris
Hello Elvann, that has been again a very interesting analysis from you! As a die hard Nightwish fan I've heard all these songs a lot of times before, but now I can state two things... the first is that Floor brightens up and even improves almost every old song from the Tarja
era, like when you take out a precious old car and give him a new furnish and a motor tuning...You can see it in Tuomas' face how he enjoys the way these songs sound with Floor...And the second point is that you, dear Elvann make the most profound and yet entertaining reactions to Nightwish! I always learn something new about their songs, that's awesome! Keep on the great work, always a pleasure to watch you:-)
concerning the key change . i think its more a guitare thing than anything. they used to play in standard guitar tuning in their early stuff. they switched to a 1 step down tuning with century child ( if i remember correctly ) . with tarja they used to switch guitars for their older songs ( in the end of an era show you can notice emppu switching between the purple and the white guitar) . since they got floor they stopped switching guitars and play everything in their newer tuning ( at least on every songs i've checked ) . which is sometimes questionable in my opinion . in stargazers for example , i really think that floor would have been better in the original key
Actually they kept to the keychange since Anette. Floor was just a stand in at first, but they already had it in that key. It was also the case with Nemo at first, it was the chilled down version (as the accoustic version with Troy and Floor now). But that song they switched back to the original version during the tour.
for Nemo it's something else , the studio version is already in D tuning . the accoustic version is transposed lower , but the guitar is played with the upper standard E tuning , but with some differents chords arrangement.
@@ZHSCP47 you are probably right about that, i am not that technical about things. But my point was that they made the keychanges before Floor joined.
They sure didn't change it during a tour just to suit Floor's voice better, she is also more the type of singer that adapts to the song and the band instead of they adapting to what she is able to achieve vocally.
the last thing i want to do is speak disrespectfully of Floor but Tuomas is keeping her on a very short vocal leash... with Annete, he did not need to since she already had a soft twang delivery but Floor has a much greater belting potential...
@@corections5068 I think he's starting to loosen up as they grow together i feel
HI Elvann!, nice review/reaction to this song... What I liked is how they (the band and Floor) gave a more metal-ish sound to the song, and as you say, how they adjusted the song to fit the needs for her... Floor's style is quite different from Tarja's, and I love the fact that Floor never tried to copy or emulate Tarja, I believe that wouldn't work well...all of us (the band and fans) are very happy with the outcome in this epic concert.. See you in the next one!
С предыдущей вокалиской, сделать песню такой как она должна была быть, было невозможно. (Не в обиду будет сказано, но известно что Tarja не могла взять сложные ноты и от усталости падала и ревела уже на полу)
Floor же, любит много работать, благодарила композитора за сложные ноты.
Hi Elvann! Very nice video! I like how you explain the changes on the songs and why they do that. It helps me to understand certain things of the music and enjoy it more
Thank you Leandro!!! ❤️❤️
Thank you beautiful... For informative reactions that is easy for everyone... And that smile and how you sing along just lights up the soul
By the way, Floor performs one of the old Nightwish songs, using only her head voice. It's " Stargazers":
ua-cam.com/video/NhEuAPYm_Ug/v-deo.html
and for me it suffers exactly the same as it did with Tarja. If you don't know the lyrics you have no idea what they are when the song is sung live which for me is a shame. It has a great soundscape but really they might as well sing lalala as the lyrics are lost. Rapid singing in an operatic style just doesn't work (for me anyway)
I'll havve to react to this one then!!!
Thanks again for going into the musicality a bit more. It's refreshing to listen with someone who can point out the subtleties of the performance - it enhances the experience.
Wait till you hear the song shoemaker on the new album :) The end will knock your socks off
I agree! I haven't liked Floor's operatic voice in songs like Stargazer, but in that outro she sounds soooo powerful and beautiful :)) Procession is still the most beautiful song for me on the album!
Nimwey aaaaa I need to listen to in NOW😭😭😭 I cant wait any longer!
Shoemaker gave me goosebumps and I had to listen to that last part over again because holy shit that was amazing
@@mangalover0149 Same here, can't get enough of it
Nimwey I’m like that with Pan. I love that song. I really like them all but Pan, Procession and Endlessness have got me.
I'm going to revisit my comments on other pages, Tarja and Floor are friends. Floor has said in the past that they communicate frequently. I feel that they both have had an influence on each other. I listen to Tarja now and I feel that she has developed more Floor like aspects(she seems to belt a bit more than she used to) and at the same time Floor became more Tarja.I can almost imagine Floor calling Tarja, and going, how do I sing this one?) At the same time it's useful to remember how Floor joined the band and that most of the first years songs were learned during sound checks, I'm sure much was done out of expediency. This performance was 10 months into her tenancy, all of it, on tour.
And that's why I became a fan of Nightwish since Floor entered the band. Her belting is incredible and her low notes sound outstanding for a soprano, operatic/constant head voices in metal is something i'm not into at all.
I have also heard "Come Cover Me" changed live sung by Floor.
This is more an analysis than a reaction video and this is wonderfull !! Much more interesting ! We really learn something or get a king of approval on what we were thinking. You're not just liking the song, you're giving a technical point a view. Great, Great !
When After Forever covered the song, Floor sang the vocal in a more operatic style. Check it out!
ohh really? I didn't know! :O I shall check it out!
she was classical/metallic in her former bands, now she is just rockish..sad
@@corections5068 Not true, she still sings classical, just not whole songs anymore. But she already stopped doing that when she was still in After Forever. She only uses it in spots where it adds something to the song. Listen to Shoemaker, and you’ll see.
@@treintje1001 Floor never sang with this very relaxed approach until she joined NW...and cthe new album has her sounding completely pop...she is ready to bail
@@corections5068 The fact that Floor herself said that singing on the new album was the most challenging for her vocally so far kinda defeats your argument here. As Elvann noted on the new songs, they are really hard to sing and also to articulate properly whilst singing. Also, don't assume you know what Floor is 'ready' to do, it just shows ignorance on your part.
Also , she belted that “deep” in the version from Tampere 2015
ooo really? :O I didn't watch that version yet but I'm curious now!
I am 100% fine with keychanges. Different singers have different capabilities, this is just a fact of life. Plus, Kwisatz Haderach also makes a very good point about guitar tuning.
Hello, here always present in every video you upload since I discovered you ... Greetings from Argentina
Thank you so much Arrow!! ❤️❤️❤️
Nerdy is good. Floor and Nightwish also perform quite long shows more than 2 hours so reducing strain and increasing stamina is a bonus for fans as well as the singer!... Yes, please!? - more Nightwish reactions and Epica!
Hi Elvann, I came here just after listening the new album for the first time (and I say nothing about it yet). Unfortunately I understand music theory and keys etc. almost nothing. But you are always fun to watch because you are so enthusiastic and informative. Thank you and stay healthy!
Elvann: Wonder if Floor could make it
Floor: Hold my Valkyrie's beer
Да, Floor, как-бы мимоходом, многим "на давала по соплям"!
Imo your channel was needed for our community, someone who can analyze the differences between the singers from a fan stand point.
Good insights! I didn’t notice this song was transposed when I watched the video. But I always felt there was something diferente in this version that made it better, I guess that’s it.
Loved your live stream Elvann. It was very interesting to hear your story. So happy you did not totally give up on music. Remember a very smart man once said "Life without music would be a mistake. It is in our soul and to lose that is not an option. Be well and stay safe.
Aww thank you! And I'm so happy you enjoyed the livestream! I'm glad I didn't give up as well! ❤️
Got the new Nightwish album today and I must say it's an extremely wonderful album!
I Hope you are better , and as allways expectador from you, it was an awesome reaction!
This made me keep thinking of Anette. There was a post-Nightwish interview with her in which she said that Tuomas kept nagging her to sing the high notes at the end of The Poet and the Pendulum live and she'd keep telling him that she couldn't do it. You can hear/watch her try to do it in the Sydney performance (2007 or 2008) and fail. But he kept telling her, "You can, you can!", and she kept working on it, off and on, and often changing the melody on the fly to avoid it, but she eventually got there and could predictably perform it in 2012. Anyway, my point is that if they were open to transposing music for the singer, it seems like they would have done so for Anette. The fact that Dark Passion Play was out of Anette's keys was a recurring topic in interviews prior to Imaginaerum.
Nice new setup, it gave You awesome lighting 😉
Yeahe, also the weather being nicer helps! And the DSLR!
12:33 She actually did belt that "deep" on the Tampere version!
I prefer it in this key, just a better mood match for the song and Floor can be more flexible with multiple techniques rather than being more confined in the rigid head voice. I also like the timbre more with serums mixing with the lower frequencies. Awesome review as always!
actually they've transposed all songs from the first 3 albums to a lower key to avoid changes of instruments between older and newest songs... nice react! waiting for your reactions of the new album 😊😊
Pretty sure they changed the keys of a few songs like this one (and Wishmaster when they added the new orchestral parts too maybe? Can't remember off the top of my head...) during the Anette era and have kept them this way ever since then. Besides, it would have been really weird and a pain in the neck to suddenly start playing the songs in the original key when Floor joined the band part way through an ongoing album tour cycle when the band and crew have already rehearsed it and performed it this way, it's a bit late to suddenly change things by that point... but they seem to have kept it this way more recently too, so maybe they just like the way it sounds in the newer key?
It sounds logical that Floor will take over the keys used by Anette. And maybe they really fit Floor as well. You can hear Anette's version here where she and the band begin in G dorian (not G minor): ua-cam.com/video/7qabqXJcbBw/v-deo.html
Love this song, love your reaction!
The Nightwish Guys and Floor Jansen is a perfect match made in proverbial heaven.
They have elevated each other to a stratospheric level.
All respect to the other two lead vocal ladies but this marriage is just a pure magical experience
Nightwish have been playing in D tuning for years way before Floor got in, i believe they've been using that tuning after the century child album if I'm not mistaken, so if you want to check floor singing this song in a operatic way and in standard tuning (not sure about the standard hehehe) go and check a video here in youtube of After Forever playing this song live. Honestly i think Floor can sing anything in any tuning, that woman is something else for sure.
Hi Elvann, you are a very good Teacher! Now i understand a little bit more of The Tichnics of Singing!
Thank you for that and care of you!
You're welcome!!
Thank you Elvann, another super insightful and entertaining reaction. Love to watch you sing along:) P.S. to those watching: her download song is beautiful, for those who haven't checked it out
Thank you sooo much smiles!!! I'm super happy you liked the song from my download! ❤️❤️❤️ Thanks for shouting it out!
Elvann, have you seen the cover Floor did of She is my Sin while in After Forever in 2006? They played it in the original Key with Floor using her head voice.
Tuning the song down a step is more convenient for guitar and bass and allows Floor to sing in chest voice or a chest/mix belt. Tarja sings this song in head voice, which is aided by the higher key. The highest note in Tarja's live version of this song is a G5. Both Tarja and Floor can sing considerably higher. In Phantom of the Opera they hit a D6 at the end. The song sounds very different in chest/mix vs. head voice. I like each for different reasons: the purity of head voice vs. the power and drive of chest/mix belting. It's nice to have both versions.
Floor covered this song with After Forever, why they added it to the song list. this is at the point in the concert, 3rd song, when Marko introduces Floor to the crowd.
Please do the Planet Rock acoustic version of Nemo... It's right up your alley 😉
ua-cam.com/video/FC7HYfc5y0A/v-deo.html - THE LINK
Its fun for me to hear another artists take on Floor...especially with ur Nightwish knowledge!
14:13 It's a good what? 😅 Haha
I continue to enjoy hearing your accent in English. ❣️
Great reaction, btw. I love how much you focus on technical aspects. 👌
Tarja brought Floor on to perform a duet of "Over the Hills" at one of her shows in 2013 and apparently the ladies had been friends for many years. I'm wondering what the age difference is between the singers because Floor appeared to be much younger. Maybe it was the difference in style of clothing because Tarja was wearing a long dress with gothic makeup whereas Floor was wearing a short skirt with eye sparkles.
They are 4 years apart. Floor was born in 1981 and Tarja in 1977. Not everyone ages at the same rate though. I'm 40 but I look younger (no bragging here)😀
Floor used to cover this song when she was still with After Forever, there she went full operatic. You should check that out.
Also Tuomas changed the key, but not for Floor. For Anette initially
I want to start out saying, I think Elvann is a wonderful person and singer. Her Tarja love in these days was so obvious, and this silly girl has no shot at filling Tarja's shoes. Slowly over the videos after this, she had several "Holy Sh*t! moments that Floor definitely has much much more talent, training, learned vocal skills, which allow her to sing any style, super high or super low, and more crayons in her coloring box than Crayola makes. Was fun for me to see the transition. Ty Elvann.
Omg, when I first realized it, it totally threw me off, while trying to play along
And as much as I love Tara, when I hear Floor.... 🤩🤩🤩
Love your insights about the technical aspects of singing, thank you for the video! As some people already pointed out, it seems that older songs had the keys changed mostly because of the guitar and bass tuning. But it certainly is good for Floor's confort as well. There is actual footage of Floor singing this song using her head/mixed voice from After Forever times, quality is not the best tho: ua-cam.com/video/lqO8GKW47io/v-deo.html
What's "coloratura"? What's the general note range? No other channels really get too far into this stuff and I love it.
Good catch on the "deep" on the 3rd chorus. It's no surprise you caught it but the quick head voice flip shows how in-control she is. But I will say she did belt that note in the prior phrase, so I wonder why she did that on the 2nd? Is it hitting the hard "e" sound that high?
Your insight into vocals being that you are a great vocalist is the reason why your reactions actually... well... have a point. Lol. Thanks for the analysis.
She did belt that same note you were talking about at 12:34 if you listen at 12:21!
I'll have to watch it again to see! Yeahe! I missed it on my first listen in fact, I noticed it while editing!
@@ElvannReacts it's crazy how she can belt so high!! awesome reaction/review as always
Nightwish "Shoemaker" Best Floor operatic performance
it is a bit weird to see people say it might be to far or to close from original, to high or to low. its your opinion whatever it is and is fine. to be fair i was not interested at all in those details.
Tuomas said in an interview back then from the old songs performed by Floor , She is my sin is one of his favorite, i mean look at the funny faces he makes for the full duration of the song, he clearly enjoyed this version better than anything, i'm in the same spot i didnt even liked the original and i love this version.
🤘🤘❤️🤘🤘 So fantastic this version!!! Floor transforms the classics in such a way as to make them a newer thing!!! Excellent as always!!! 😊🤘🤘
Also stay safe and healthy!!!
loved the reaction tnx. and i agree, all voices are different, and adjusting the song to match the singer's sweet spot is a good choice. but of course, floor could have done it in the original key and we wouldn't have this discussion, it would have sounded amazing too. but being on tour and singing every day, i can understand why they made it a little easier on her in this song...
Funny thing is: there are actually other live videos out there of her belting that "deep" at the end.
I saw them after watching your video and it made me laugh at how ridiculously good she is.
In fact lowering it down was a choice of the band to keep the Key Anette used to sing bcs they were still in the Imaginaerum tour and it made more sense to the feel of the rest of the set. She sang it in the original key back in 2006 in her After Forever days, in a more operatic way and of course, nailed it as well
Very good analyse ..Thank you ... I think it is a good thing to change the key as it is bringing more dept into the song as well besides Floor's voice that is .. but that is just my thought ... Actually you are a great singer yourself and it was fun to see that you nailed the point in where you could hear the change ...
Looking foward to the Human Nature release this friday
I REALLY like your constructive critique. Thanks.
Floor did also cover this song in a AF performance, the Tarja Version though.
So basically here we have it in G-minor? I've started learning that song on guitar and in standard E tuning it's in A-minor so asking to assure for I wanna try that version as well ^^
I just noticed you haven't done dark chest of wonders yet from Wacken 2013, their opener. You should. it's amazing.
Floor performed this song with After Forever in 2006, and did it in original key and operatic style:
ua-cam.com/video/jNB5KdLaogY/v-deo.html
Can you tell how do you like the 2006 version? Sound quality is not good, but the voice is heard pretty well.
That was time, when Nightwish were not performing live and searching for new vocalist.
I guess many people from that show approached Floor to ask whether she was going to join N., some with hope, some with worry.
If I may sum it up for you: Floor could have sung this in its original key had she wished to sing it in her operatic head voice. Instead she wanted to use a belting mix, which required a lower key. Floor has demonstrated that she can sustain very high notes in her head voice, but this was not the style she wished to use here. The lower key belting was a stylistic choice.
I'll reply to my own post here by saying I just listened to "Shoemaker". I can't remember the last time a piece of music has moved me so much. We would think that there are two different women singing on this track, but there is only one.
@@billattercliffe8655 well there are two, but we get what you mean :)
Aside from her vocal skills, I think Floor also is brilliant at strategizing how she's going to navigate each and every song. It's one thing to have the technical 'tools' to hit the notes, but knowing how to use them takes a lot of analysis and study.
Gorgeous actress Minka Kelly is a song specialist ?!
Do u react to Tarja's solo music?
She had a very cool Muse cover
Tarja-Supremacy (live in Milan)
Where she sustained crazy high notes on C#6 for 6 sec
ooohhh I need to watch this and make a reaction then!!!!
@@ElvannReacts you have to ! Its her most requested song besides phantom of the Opera. Its a very intense metal song as well. U will witness her very dark chest voice that never happened in NW.
It's always interesting when someone starts a sentence with: It's really not a criticism, but ... Because then you can almost be sure it's a criticism that is just trying to be wrapped up a bit. For it is probably a criticism from Elvan that Floor does not sing the song, as Tarja did, or as Elvan's classic sound ideal dictates. And thankfully for that. For Floor does not usually sing based on a classic sound ideal. She is primarily a rock and metal singer. And here the ideal is not that it should sound like you could easily sing louder tones if it were. The ideal is often rather that it must sound both strained, pinched, hard and difficult. Remember that rock and metal has a lot of roots in blues, which is precisely the music of pain. So - pardon my french - it is rubbish to say that Floor should think that "Fortunately the song is not higher than this". I wonder if John Lennon also thought about that when he squeezed and strained through Twist & Shout ("Fortunately the song is no higher than this")? Or when Janis Joplin painfully sang through Piece Of My Heart? And lots of other examples of rock music then and now. Precisely in contrast to the classic ideal of clarity and purity.
I didn't understand anything from this, but no, it's not criticism, I do a disclaimer because people take observations for criticism on UA-cam and it's really annoying to feel like I need to justify when I decide to breath between my phrases. Putting a disclaimer is basically a reflection on how UA-cam comments can be toxic for UA-camrs. People just like to interpret things that I say in the worst possible way.
But hey, Floor doesn't sing it like Tarja. That's a good observation 👍
@@ElvannReacts What is it you don't understand - is it really anything? Don't you understand, that it is very much a matter of preferences og ideals? And sound ideals that can determine how to evaluate a singer's way of singing. And if I use a classic song ideal to judge, for example, John Lennon's voice, then it makes no sense. Because from that point of view, it's a terrible sound he has in Twist & Shout. But that's exactly what it should sound like. Just like with Floor. It should sound different than, say, Tarja - because the style is different. And just sounds more strained, squeezed, etc. That's what my criticism of your way of responding to Nightwish with Floor is. You do not always judge her based on her and the genres sound ideals and thus her premises. Would you also criticize John Lennon and other rock singers in the same way - to over repeat my point?
@@ElvannReacts Tarja vs Floor = Trump vs Liberals = Bruxelles vs Brexit. I understand that you don't judge Floor and you liked the version. Now something that is just a matter of taste, Floor's operatic tone of voice is my favorite, although Tarja has more training in this genre and is in fact an opera singer,
while Floor with 1 year of study I don't expect Her to do more than she has done. For me who am a headbanger, what Floor has done is already great.
Like you said, Floor could have ' easily' do an operatic version. This lighter voice then needs contrast. But as a soprano, she sings a bit higher than Tarja and I think it would still require a lower key. Nice song though.
I cannot wait to see you react to Nightwish "Music". Please make that next. Your take on this is going to be really interesting.
If everything goes well, Music is coming out tonight! ❤️
@@ElvannReacts Very much looking forward to that!!!!!
Maybe was "She'is my Sin" not Floors best Performance but she kicked asses with Ghost Love Score at Wacken .
On "Human : Nature" she performance at her best. She has done a great Progress
While I like most of Floor's singing of the older songs, for this specific song I prefer Tarja's version.
Why they decided to dislike you? Idk. I think, what you talking about - you are a singer and musician, and you reacts from this point, mb sometimes without any emotions which ppl wanted to see. It's not the reaction video like - "Oh, that's beautiful, oh, how high she is singing. Oh, that was epic". I hope, you understand, what I mean;)
Waiting for more covers!!!
Yeah well, I tend to react analytically rather than emotionally first, that's just how my brain is wired. When I'm interested in something, I want to understand it and merge with it, not just be a spectator. That's my artist mind who's interested in the why and in the craft more than just the entertainment side.
There's a group of Tarja fanboys who downvote every Nightwish-related video they find, from music videos to reactions to interviews, because they are opposed to Nightwish existing and thriving without Tarja.
One thing Tuomas does is write for the singer with them. And though this was written for Tarja they adapted to Floor not change the song but made changes needed to fit her style.
They changed a key but tarja sang this with head voice and Floor sings this with chest voice.
I think changing to suit the vocalist is an easy choice. You mention the best foot forward and being comfortable singing can make or break a quality performance. Really who would take the stage and intend a less than performance. Not me. A pleasure as is each time has been . I love that entire show. Its how I came to know Nightwish. After a mix spelled UA-cam search. Best dang mistake I ever made.
Would you agree that Floor is a spinto soprano? That`s my take after listening to the last part of Shoemaker. :)
обожаю этих финов !!!!
I´m sorry that I have to disprove your amazing analysis, but the key change is simply to avoid changing guitars for Emppu and Marco, all older songs( before century child) are now played 1 step lower :) they do this since Dark passion play tour. Great work anyway :)
Oh, I don't take it for disapproval 😎👍 I say my observations, and then I'm happy to be corrected. From reading the comment section, it appears to be a guitar thing and I'm totally on board with that. I just say my first impression here, I'm not saying I'm right. It just then happens to be a happy coincidence and I'm okay with it! 🥰 I'm happy to learn more!
@@ElvannReacts But this key suits Floors voice perfectly, you were absolutely right 😀 love your reaction videos
Some songs indeed suits another voice better in a different key.👍
Check out After Forever live version. She is my sin.
Balance is the key! Tuomas knows that the vocals and the music have to change to get the most impact without changing the integrity of the song.
I think the expression you were looking for was something like "the limit of her confort zone", Elvann. ;-)
or maybe the term "tessitura" :-)
@@Immortall1408 Well caught, but technical terms require explanation. ;-)
@@luisnunes2010 I suppose so and that is probably why she did not include the term and tried to quickly come up with something else to express the same idea. ;-)
@@Immortall1408 Yeah, someone a long time ago explained eloquently to me that technical terms don't explain the way things work to noobs (me), they're shorthand for those with at least basic knowledge.
For shame, I can't remember who it was. :-(
If we're talking about the same thing, then no, I would say "passaggio" It's not the limit of her tessitura or comfort zone, it's a pivot point between different vocal mechanisms. There is a middle point in the voice that is in fact harder. People think the higher you go the harder it is, but it's not exactly true
This is really different from the original...
I can feel here that she is "on the limit", but she also push it a lot more than I can feel in the album version....
I makes it more energetic for me.
Artists should always transpose to centre a song in their best vocal range. I'm not convinced on this one that the transposition went quite far enough; I think Floor would have been more comfortable two tones down, not just one. I thought she sounded strained at times.
I can totally hear what you're talking about, yeahe! I think She is my Sin is a bit tricky though because I feel a step down would be perfect for the higher parts, but it might also have meant sacrificing the low parts 🤔 Not sure what's best, but I absolutely understand what you mean
I think Floor has a lot of fun on stage (great, shows pleasure in being on stage, probably the atmosphere in the band too), moves a lot and gives himself more. This should consume energy. But I also noticed what you said.
Do you have perfect pitch? You picked that up in two notes! Love your technical analysis, very few reactors do anything like it.
I sort of do! I don't have a very good one but I am very sensitive to pitch. I can sing some notes or recognize them completely from memory. I immediately notice if a song I know well has been transposed, and it takes me a while to actually get accustomed to transposition, it take me a couple of measures for it to stop sounding out of tune to me, and I need to listen to it multiple times before it stops bothering me. But yeah, I do hear it in this, and I hear it enough that it bothers me through my listen. It's like I hear a ghost version in the original key at the same time and it sounds super off to me.
I'm nothing like Rick Beato's kid, but I do have some very faint version of that, yeah
@@ElvannReacts Appreciate the reply. A lot of people have perfect relative pitch, but very few can tell in the first note or two that a piece has been transposed. Very cool.
@@hiawatha.g You're welcome! And yeah, to me it's either I notice it immediately or not at all.
@@ElvannReacts Would you like to react to the PERFECT song for Easter? Remember your reaction to Floor and Simone singing Sancta Terra? Well, they did a second duet in that same concert: "Stabat Mater Dolorosa". You may know the piece-it is a 13th century hymn to Mary mourning her crucified son. It was set to music by Giovanni Pergolesi in 1726. It is written for soprano and contralto--Floor does the contralto line, which is just mind-blowing in itself. While they sing, the arena full of metalheads are reduced to stunned silence. Please do this in time for Easter! xo ua-cam.com/video/QqdvFPBGN0c/v-deo.html
Silas Newman Then stop watching her fucking channel if you’re gonna write comments like that.
Can you imagine the work involved in transposing this? There's an entire session with an orchestra in another country that has to be rerecorded 😲
Or maybe they know how to properly transpose one big orchestra WAV stereo file. I really don't think they take all of the time and effort to rerecord so much stuff.
This song is from Wishmaster when they didn't use real orchestra. Tuomas played everything by himself and those keyboard parts are really easy transpose 1 step lower
@@justuss_ I just heard the transposition was already done for guitar tuning reasons before Floor joined
@@mattphillips2530 Yeah I wrote explanation about that guitar/bass tuning issue earlier
@@justuss_ Yep. Thanks for that! I got a Line6 guitar that automatically does the alternate tunings... sounds bizarre though when you turn you amp low and true pitch of the strings clashing with the adjusted pitches coming out of the amp 😆
Je prend toujours un pied terrible avec cette chanson, c'est dingue ^^
JE ne savais pas qu'il y avait eu un changement de tonalité, parce que j'ai très vite arrêté de chercher à découvrir les versions irginales de chansons que je découvrais en live avec Floor...C'était perturbant, voire décevant (The poet and the pendulum...aïe, la comparaison fait mal !)
En revanche, j'avais bien remarqué la bascule de la voix sur le "deep" final, et sans en être vraiment gêné, je me demandais si c'était un choix technique ou plus artistique. Merci de cette petite explication.
If I replaced other singers, in some music or musical theater, I would change as much as I could without disfiguring the music.
If I sing a cover, I prefer to change the original a lot.
It's just a particular vision of mine.
Hug and take care nice Elvann.
Sleeping sun Live at Tampere has been change a lot compered to Tarjas version.
True. It sounds like it’s been updated.
Floor nailed it.....Good job Elvan....ur chanel...ur market
Thanks 😉❤️
Finally someone says it in a reaction. I have been listening since the Tarja days and keep hearing people say Floor sings it better. They never say it is in a different key. Thanks for the video, and for the Floor fans boys i am not saying one is better than the other it is just different and this is not the only song that is different if you listen close. I am happy with the way this is changed but I do like both versions about the same.
I’m sure you know this already, but apparently when Floor first joined she wanted to use more of her operatic voice but the band discouraged her from it. I like what she’s done with them, but I do kind of wish she would do the older parts more operatically because she CAN.
Wow, dat lady knows her stuff. ty
THATS BECAUSE THIS WAS WRITTEN FOR TARJA’S VOCALS
Pretty unrelated.. love the Naussica poster **^^**
First of All Loveee your Mononoke Hime and Elsa Posters, then your React yo this song is great
Most interesting. Regarding her very open mouth style that is how she sings almost everything when it is required. Check out anything on Beste Zangers and you will see it.