@@CoucheMusic I think he mean't in terms of photo and video editing otherwise don't max out the GPU ( unless you want to game on the side) you should put your money where it matters on cpu and if you have the extra money ram
watching reviews from snazzy compared to reviews from jonathan morrison is like night and day. Quinn sounds like a real pro, while morrison sounds like a bad salesman. Nice work Quinn, definitely gonna buy this one to replace my macbook air.
I honestly really like this youtuber He is an Apple pro guy but he says absolutely everything that is wrong and he never lies Keep up the good work my guy
Came here to say exactly this. It means SO much to me to hear someone who has loved Apple and who still does talk HONESTLY about the things they get right, and most importantly what they get wrong. @snazzylabs Keep up the good, and honest work. I and others trust you, please continue being truthful and transparent.
I'm going to be in California for the Tesla Cybertruck unveiling later this week. Is there anything in specific you want me to cover and see if I can't find out? Let me know!
Thế Đăng Dương agreed, but he did leave out some pretty important details. Such as the base ram being set to 16gb, and the base storage set to 512gb, and included with all the other updates the device price for base has not changed either. You could argue that is a drastic overhaul and making it worth the buck.
@@MyFriendsPodcast for me, CPU hits 96 degrees under load is a deal breaker. But I like Apple scissor-switch keyboard so much, frankly, I still use my 2013 Macbook Air for typing documents.
Thế Đăng Dương hmm in the video he didn’t say this? But yes leaving out the other factors it might be a deal breaker but this is the best base model out imo
Same story. Bought a 2016 pro 15, got keyboard issues after 3 months. While warranty repair, bought 2017 and again got issues after a few months of careful use. Got a great deal on 2014 Pro 15 with 1TB and 4 GHz CPU, has been happy with it ever since. Same CPU performance as 2017, great keyboard, mag safe, two 4K monitors connected directly via mini DP. USB A allows to always have a mouse stick in my laptop and not be afraid it will break away in my backpack, as was with USB C to USB A dongle.
I hear you. I'm running the Mid2015 pro as well and I'm reluctant to "upgrade" for a few reasons. 1 - The lame touch bar. 2 - No SD card reader. 3 - keyboard issues. I think this 2015 version is the best version made. I'm running an i7 16gb 512SSD. I just wish we could upgrade the video card.
A single USB-C hub on my 16" MacBook Pro is able to output all these things, except for MagSafe (though there are third-party solutions). The charger is plugged into the hub rather than the MBP itself. All this including charging and only a single port on the right side of my MBP is occupied, leaving three available for other things. I don't think it's worth complaining about the switch to USB-C anymore. If you can afford an expensive MacBook Pro, you can afford a decent portable USB-C hub to pair with it.
The trick is you want to definitely get apple care. Then send it in for a keyboard repair so many times that they just replace the entire machine with a 16”.
Dang you made my favorite Model 3 review and this is a fantastic review (I already have the MB 16" ordered). Easily digestible information, no excess in music or graphics (you hit the sweet spot). You're killing it man.
You, my man have come so far.. Superb video quality, honesty which is much appreciated and subtle humour that doesn't pull away from topic at hand. Very nicely done. Keep it up!
I enjoy your comments! I was about to replace my pro (15.4"/ 2015) to another similar one but I am going to wait for the release of the 16" here in Australia! Thanks for the hints! Geraldo@Australia
@Soo What Don't hope for a touch-screen or OLED display anytime soon. Touch-screen is pretty self-explanatory, they don't want it. Let's talk OLED, Samsung is currently the only company producing OLED displays for laptops, with their only available size being 15 inches. Then there's burn-in issues, which certainly can be minimised with software, but it's still a slight problem. Final point, the price would go up tremendously, with all current OLED laptops being incredibly close to the price of the base MacBook Pro 16".
I have heard MANY owners of this laptop that says the speakers are AMAZING so maybe you need to listen to them with a better song. Also, I LOVE the touch Bar and I think they should keep it.
Not a substitute for dedicated desktop speakers or headphones / AirPods, but for laptop speakers they are amazing. Apple's acquisition of Beats did enable them to vastly improve the audio quality of the MBPs.
the 4x usb-c port with all thunderbolt 3 support have been a pain in the first year, but now it's a true blessing, charging in w/e port i want, all ports are extremely fast and support literally everything. Its truly amazing and tbh the best feature of this laptop
I bought one but I'll probably sell it for a 14" once/if it comes out next year! I use a 2017 Macbook Pro without the touch bar for work and the keyboard is constantly breaking, been waiting for Apple to get their shit together for so long
17.5 inch is the dream for the working on laptop as a stationary computer, but then i know you can buy imac, but 17,5 inch MacBook could be mobile powerfull workstation
I really need a laptop right now, I was so sure to buy the 13” MacBook Pro and I can’t wait cause I really need it, they should have updated both laptops.
It's never going to happen with Cook at the helm. He's just hungry for money and nothing more. He stated out at Apple as the store guy and he'll remain the store guy. I'm seriously doubtful that the claim that Jobs selected him as his predecessor are true, most likely the shareholders picked him so they could milk the market out of money until it fails. Ivey left due to frustration and no one talks about it. Apple of today is about increasing revenue with minimum effort. This you can see with the zero real innovation across the board. The iPhone has been the same since 6 really with a bit of glass thrown in here and there. The MacBook Pro line has been stagnant as has the iMac line. The mac pro is just a money grab.
@@arthurscheffler1460 I wouldn't hold my breath for a µLED panel in 2020. I don't think MacBooks will be the first to get one. If we get one in an updated iPad Pro in the coming months, that would be a good indicator for the MacBook Pro updates to come. As for the 10th gen processors, it depends on whether you *need* a 16" model or a 13/14" model. The biggest difference in 10th gen is the iGPU. If you don't need a laptop with dedicated graphics, then you should wait for an updated 13/14" MBP for the massive iGPU improvements. If you want a dedicated GPU, then there is no reason to wait for an updated 16" MBP, unless you really want to get 1-2% improvement in CPU performance, WiFi 6 and a bit more battery life.
I’m going to be starting college in less than a year, and I want a MacBook Pro for class. And the butterfly keyboard had me worried, but seeing these improvements eases me. This was definitely a good move by Apple. No doubt
Many inside problems haven't changed though. Non removable SSD w/o backup connector (machine fails, data gone). And many logic board issues that Luis Rossmann talks a lot about. It's still true that the reliability of Apple laptops peaked in 2013/2014 and since then it's just worse and worse. In some ways (because of the non removable SSD and/or the backup connector, and ports) it's basically 2016 model with 2015 keyboard. And that's still not enough. Just get the highest spec'd 2014 model and wait some more for more reliable hardware in the future (hopefully) and get desktop hackintosh/mac mini with Razer core X external graphics card (although hackintosh-ing had become very reliable and pretty easy in the last few years).
I've always appreciated Snazzy Labs' candor. I'm a designer and developer and have been working with Macs for nearly 20 years, and since the release of the "trash can" Mac Pro several years ago, I've been extremely disappointed with most of Apple's hardware. Every release seemed to come with its share of issues. I owned three fully spec'd Touchbar MBP's, a 2016, 2017, and 2018 model, and ended up returning or selling all three after having numerous issues with the keyboards. I picked up a new 16" with the 2.4 i9, 32gb of ram, the 8gb 5500M, and a 2TB drive. It was nearly $1000 cheaper than my fully spec'd 2017 model, and performs better in every way that counts for my use cases. Writing code on this new keyboard harkens back to the glory days of the 2015 model that I still own because of that amazingly simple yet effective keyboard design. Thanks, Snazzy, for always being objective and honest. I've seen some users complain about the harshness of your reviews, but I appreciate the critical point of view amidst a slew of other UA-camrs who seem dead set on praising every device Cupertino sends to market.
I love those. Have owned both original 2015 and 2016 models. Super light. Am I the only one who both like the butterfly keys and had zero reliability issues with them?
@@alliejr I really like the third gen ones in the recent macbook air, though mine had the shift key break and I'm currently getting it fixed. I found that the older versions just felt mushy and didn't have enough travel. Also would be really cool to see apple do a gaming focused desktop... something in a more regular desktop form factor.
@@Broncos14 How is the 11 boring? It's a phone not a movie. Can't believe the battery life I get from the Pro Max, but yeah people get "bored" over a phone that does its job. I just hope the A14 from 2020 iPhone still destroys the next snapdragon and the design has squared edge from the iPad, which will probably happen now.
@@BrawndoQC Fair enough, but people have been acting as if it's revolutionary. My 11 Pro Max is a Xs Max with a better camera and a better battery. That's good, but tech-tubers aren't acting as though it's good. They're acting as though it's paradigm-shifting.
Is this the review of the Ultimate 16" MBP or is it the ultimate review for a 16" MBP? Does the adjective belong to the entire noun combination or just the MBP part of it? Words...
Snazzy Labs I can see you changed the title. If this was to drive more traffic, great. If it was in response to this, you didn’t need to. My comment was meant more as a silly little joking thing. I was just being a coy little bugger. I enjoy your vids btw :). You’re probably the only person ever who’s shown me Mac tricks I didn’t know already ;).
Nice, and unlike many hosts, you can speak more than one sentence without needing an edit. And the pauses between sentences are perfect, unlike many of those who can't say more than one sentence without needing an edit and with unnatural pauses that are too short, making a choppy narration. But can you please drop the music? Thanks!
It's kind of sad when a laptop with soldered RAM, non-user-replaceable storage and battery, and a chiclet keyboard represents an "improvement" over the previous model. Sadly, these are all deal-breakers for me (except for the chiclet keyboard, which pretty much every laptop now has, and pretty much all of which are awful).
I haven't had an issue with the butterfly keyboard. My MacBook Pro is a 2018 model. I dropped it a few weeks ago and the repair included replacing the keyboard with the 2019 model. It feels better than the 2018 model but it was never a deal breaker. Mind you, I am a two finger typist so that probably makes a difference. I would never consider a PC.
I find that the gap with the smaller keys makes it easier to get my fingers on them without looking, and gives me a place to rest them between keypresses. Or maybe it's just familiarity/habit...
Apple is always going in the right direction, their revenue, if you do not buy their POS hardware they will improve it... You are getting an improved battery, keyboard, speakers, cooling, and graphics card... do not buy it yet, missing removable SSD, removable RAM, 4 K display, extra USB ports, SD card reader, availability of parts to repair and/ or upgrade your laptop... or buy it... and that is all the better is going to get.
@McBossBrine Personally I own the ThinkPad T520. Good oldschool machine that let me do all the things I want (writing, vector graphics and visual design in Adobe XD). It's built like it was made out of concrete :) At the same time I see macOS users that are super happy and I have nothing against Apple's way of doing things on a computer ;) Oh and Macs are very well build too when it comes to the outer chassis. Upgrades always wasn't their strong point but if the hardware in laptop is well balanced I don't also see reasons to change the components. Removable storage would be awesome tho...
Well yeah, if all you use it for is Facebook and UA-cam it's a perfect device I use and support Mac users at work, in 2 years I'm on my 4th machine due to hardware issues and overheating, the developers and creative types that also use Macs push their machined much harder than I ever sill and it has been just bad And then there's the batteries, even after the recall we still have 2016 and 17 models where the battery will just puss up at random
@@z0phi3l I mean that's just not true. I am on a base 2019 13 inch and do a ton of power user stuff (Docker, Kubernetes, compilers) with no trouble at all. Insanely reliable
Intel has been promising that new chip for 4 years. I’ll believe it when I see it. (And when you complain about Apple laptop performance disappointments over the last 4 years you should really throw more than 50% of the shade at Intel).
Keagster06 The i9 is just a faster i7. It’s not the low power 7nm chip that Intel has been promising and Apple has been waiting for since 2015. I suggest you listen to Linus less. He’s an idiot.
@@alliejr i9 means more cores. In laptop platform, i9 = 8 cores, while i7 = 6 cores. And fun fact, base clock for i7 is higher than i9. Means if your system is not cooled properly, i7 will beat i9, which was MBP i9 had at launch
It still can... but not easy. Apple and their way of thinking... I hope EU and US will pass a bill about repairing your own product. Means every brands must make the spare parts available to public
@@Dominus_Potatus Even tho the EU is a cluster fuck right now with so many right wing nut cases taking control. I hope this as well maybe we can get something good before it fully collapses.
I am a fan of the USB-C only ports on the side. I literally never plug anything into my laptop away from home (other than power) anyways. It just makes sense to me to ditch all the ports I would never use anyway for more relative portability.
Yeah really. Although he made beautiful designs, they hurt the product in terms of functionality. You could argue that his designs pushed technology to get smaller and thinner and more powerful but some things like batteries have met a physical limit (for the time being, anyway).
@@snazzy "Most of my newer pro gear ..." It's been 3 years since they cut the USB port, and even you're still at "mostly new gear". How many years should it take for it to be universal?
I'd love a non-Touchbar option too. I have long fingers and it's not uncommon to touch the top or right corners accidentally when resting or browsing the web. Since they aren't physical buttons, even barely brushing against them will activate something. I've had to customize it to remove nearly half the space.
Great review. Love how candid you are about the things they did right and the room for improvement. I'm due for an upgrade in the next year or two and this is the form factor I'm keeping my eyes on.
The cooling solution is still insufficient. It still settles in the mid/high 90’s °C. They need more heatpipes. Here in SoCal, we easily run 5-10 °C more than your test environment, thus “constraining” performance more. If they dropped those numbers down to low to mid 80’s °C, then we approach a decent product. Your pro tip is spot on.
Your videos are always a pleasure to watch. Dynamic, great speed, well written and amazing pleasure voice to listen to. It's not about tone or peach, it's how great you are as speaker person.
You're not a UA-camr covering the 16" MBP unless you point out the FAA's 100-W battery limitation. It's a rite of passage at this point; anyone who doesn't mention it shall never be taken seriously. Solid video, Quinn!
I'm not really a fan of the new keyboard. I prefer the wider key caps, lower profile and even smoother material they keys are made from on the latest 2019 15 inch MacBook Pro. Another thing I don't prefer on the new keyboards. If you press hard, you can feel the metal cutouts each key sits in. I think that makes gliding across the keyboard less comfortable. I haven't had any key failures on my late 2019 15 inch MBPro, but I have only had it a few months. Last, I prefer the thinner body and lighter weight.
As a more casual "Mac" user (since most of my work is done on my windows PC) I'm very looking forward to the future 13inch model If these improvement made to the new 13 or 14inch pro it will be super dope
Great review dude. Absolutely nailed it on the extra money extra GPU/RAM
Thanks a million, Jon!
@@snazzy Could you ELI5 this?. I'm a music producer thats solely reliant on cpu performance so i'm thinking on investing heavily into this one.
@@CoucheMusic I think he mean't in terms of photo and video editing otherwise don't max out the GPU ( unless you want to game on the side) you should put your money where it matters on cpu and if you have the extra money ram
watching reviews from snazzy compared to reviews from jonathan morrison is like night and day. Quinn sounds like a real pro, while morrison sounds like a bad salesman. Nice work Quinn, definitely gonna buy this one to replace my macbook air.
I honestly really like this youtuber
He is an Apple pro guy but he says absolutely everything that is wrong and he never lies
Keep up the good work my guy
Thanks so much, Dmitriy!
Came here to say exactly this. It means SO much to me to hear someone who has loved Apple and who still does talk HONESTLY about the things they get right, and most importantly what they get wrong. @snazzylabs Keep up the good, and honest work. I and others trust you, please continue being truthful and transparent.
facts. unlike another certain youtuber lol
he could mention decreased repairability though
*stares at jonathan morisson
This is the ONLY tech UA-camr I can trust. Truly impartial, talks sense and backs up claims with proof!
Thanks a lot!
FACTS.
@@snazzy nah, we are the one who should be thanking you for the brilliant content
Check out MobileTechReview as well - Lisa is similarly objective, enthusiastic and thorough.
I completely agree with this sentiment. Best by far for balanced and comprehensive reviews.
I'm going to be in California for the Tesla Cybertruck unveiling later this week. Is there anything in specific you want me to cover and see if I can't find out? Let me know!
Is the towing capacity actually 300,000 pounds? Lol
Any thoughts on Ford's new electric vehicle offering?
Can it run crysis?
@@andrewbeder51 Of course it can
Congratulations for the title 😂😂
Hey, I know you! It was great meeting you at the Cybertruck event. Great video, waiting for the 13” version to come out!
Really nice honest review from someone who knows what he's talking about. Now come on Apple, put an SD card reader back in!
this comment aged great lmao (typed out on the 2021 16 inch macbook pro, which has full-sized SDXC, MagSafe, and full-sized HDMI)
Super detailed and we'll explained review, thanks Snazzylabs!
Thanks, Eric!
Other UA-camrs: it's a huge improvement, a MacBook done right.
Snazzy: well, it doesn't suck.
Watch the video. 😉
Thế Đăng Dương agreed, but he did leave out some pretty important details. Such as the base ram being set to 16gb, and the base storage set to 512gb, and included with all the other updates the device price for base has not changed either. You could argue that is a drastic overhaul and making it worth the buck.
@@MyFriendsPodcast for me, CPU hits 96 degrees under load is a deal breaker. But I like Apple scissor-switch keyboard so much, frankly, I still use my 2013 Macbook Air for typing documents.
Thế Đăng Dương hmm in the video he didn’t say this? But yes leaving out the other factors it might be a deal breaker but this is the best base model out imo
The last MBP I had was the mid-2010 model. Loved it!
Perhaps time to return to the MBP...or wait for ver 2 of the MBP 16"....
I so happy with my Mid2015 Macbookpro: SD Card reader, HDMI, USB, MAG Safe
Same story. Bought a 2016 pro 15, got keyboard issues after 3 months. While warranty repair, bought 2017 and again got issues after a few months of careful use. Got a great deal on 2014 Pro 15 with 1TB and 4 GHz CPU, has been happy with it ever since. Same CPU performance as 2017, great keyboard, mag safe, two 4K monitors connected directly via mini DP. USB A allows to always have a mouse stick in my laptop and not be afraid it will break away in my backpack, as was with USB C to USB A dongle.
AVINII - I use mine 15 inch 1 TB PCI Express 16GB RAM for photos and it works smooth as a silk
Yeah man. I just want this exact device with upgraded specs. It’s basically a perfect laptop.
I hear you. I'm running the Mid2015 pro as well and I'm reluctant to "upgrade" for a few reasons. 1 - The lame touch bar. 2 - No SD card reader. 3 - keyboard issues. I think this 2015 version is the best version made. I'm running an i7 16gb 512SSD. I just wish we could upgrade the video card.
A single USB-C hub on my 16" MacBook Pro is able to output all these things, except for MagSafe (though there are third-party solutions). The charger is plugged into the hub rather than the MBP itself. All this including charging and only a single port on the right side of my MBP is occupied, leaving three available for other things. I don't think it's worth complaining about the switch to USB-C anymore. If you can afford an expensive MacBook Pro, you can afford a decent portable USB-C hub to pair with it.
Now, let's see if they can make a real Macbook Pro 13" again.
They will, 14" I guess, rumored for first half of 2020. So you will get the Air, 14 Pro and 16 Pro.
It will be more likely 14" with pushed bezel
Dr. Mercurio Arboria hard to imagine they ignore that for long
Phil says it depends on the success of the 16” - effectively advising you to buy that one first to improve your chances (borderliner...)
I’m still using mine from 2012 because it was outspecing the new Macs for year
Great review as usual 👌
Excited. Quinn’s back 🔥💯
Got tons of cool content coming soon!
@@snazzy can you do a video on calling and texting on the MacBook pro 16 inch please thanks 🙂❤️😘😀👏
Damn Apple. I bought a 2019 MacBook Pro 15’’... and then this came out. Now I want it.
Yeah, my $4,000 i9 2019 is basically worthless now. lol 😑
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Better wait for that 4k display Mid 2020!
The trick is you want to definitely get apple care. Then send it in for a keyboard repair so many times that they just replace the entire machine with a 16”.
Mark M Not that common in Italy... 😞
Dang you made my favorite Model 3 review and this is a fantastic review (I already have the MB 16" ordered). Easily digestible information, no excess in music or graphics (you hit the sweet spot). You're killing it man.
Thanks, dude!!
You, my man have come so far.. Superb video quality, honesty which is much appreciated and subtle humour that doesn't pull away from topic at hand. Very nicely done. Keep it up!
Thanks so much! We hope to continue to improve. ;)
Damn now I have to wait for 16” refresh.
Apple: Listen to customer
“Wait. Thats illegal”
r/woosh
@JUS24TIN 😐u r not get it
That OK hand gesture in the thumbnail... *you're a brave man!*
I enjoy your comments! I was about to replace my pro (15.4"/ 2015) to another similar one but I am going to wait for the release of the 16" here in Australia! Thanks for the hints! Geraldo@Australia
Why is everybody mentioning the imperfect pixel resolution scaling in 2019?
MacBook Pros have been doing this since 2016 models.
Yes. It was a problem then and it’s still a problem now. I’ve mentioned it before.
@Soo What Don't hope for a touch-screen or OLED display anytime soon. Touch-screen is pretty self-explanatory, they don't want it.
Let's talk OLED, Samsung is currently the only company producing OLED displays for laptops, with their only available size being 15 inches. Then there's burn-in issues, which certainly can be minimised with software, but it's still a slight problem. Final point, the price would go up tremendously, with all current OLED laptops being incredibly close to the price of the base MacBook Pro 16".
I have heard MANY owners of this laptop that says the speakers are AMAZING so maybe you need to listen to them with a better song. Also, I LOVE the touch Bar and I think they should keep it.
Not a substitute for dedicated desktop speakers or headphones / AirPods, but for laptop speakers they are amazing. Apple's acquisition of Beats did enable them to vastly improve the audio quality of the MBPs.
This is the least biased, most in depth review I’ve seen. Nice work
the 4x usb-c port with all thunderbolt 3 support have been a pain in the first year, but now it's a true blessing, charging in w/e port i want, all ports are extremely fast and support literally everything. Its truly amazing and tbh the best feature of this laptop
I bought one but I'll probably sell it for a 14" once/if it comes out next year! I use a 2017 Macbook Pro without the touch bar for work and the keyboard is constantly breaking, been waiting for Apple to get their shit together for so long
14" MacBook Pro 🙏
17.5 inch is the dream for the working on laptop as a stationary computer, but then i know you can buy imac, but 17,5 inch MacBook could be mobile powerfull workstation
You are one of the few UA-camrs who actually put in the effort into the research, visual, quality, etc. Into your videos. Appreciate it. 💯🔥
I really need a laptop right now, I was so sure to buy the 13” MacBook Pro and I can’t wait cause I really need it, they should have updated both laptops.
I'm glad Apple went back to the drawing board for the MacBook Pro.
You and me both!
It's never going to happen with Cook at the helm. He's just hungry for money and nothing more. He stated out at Apple as the store guy and he'll remain the store guy. I'm seriously doubtful that the claim that Jobs selected him as his predecessor are true, most likely the shareholders picked him so they could milk the market out of money until it fails. Ivey left due to frustration and no one talks about it.
Apple of today is about increasing revenue with minimum effort. This you can see with the zero real innovation across the board. The iPhone has been the same since 6 really with a bit of glass thrown in here and there. The MacBook Pro line has been stagnant as has the iMac line. The mac pro is just a money grab.
So the question is:
Buy Macbook Pro 16" today
Or
Wait until next year and buy Macbook Pro 14" with Intel 10th gen and wifi 6
Yes, I have been pondering this along with micro LED screen. What do you guys think?
@@arthurscheffler1460 I wouldn't hold my breath for a µLED panel in 2020. I don't think MacBooks will be the first to get one. If we get one in an updated iPad Pro in the coming months, that would be a good indicator for the MacBook Pro updates to come. As for the 10th gen processors, it depends on whether you *need* a 16" model or a 13/14" model. The biggest difference in 10th gen is the iGPU. If you don't need a laptop with dedicated graphics, then you should wait for an updated 13/14" MBP for the massive iGPU improvements. If you want a dedicated GPU, then there is no reason to wait for an updated 16" MBP, unless you really want to get 1-2% improvement in CPU performance, WiFi 6 and a bit more battery life.
@@iliakorvigo7341 Thank you for your informative reply!
You're welcome.
@@iliakorvigo7341 I actually bought this machine two days ago! (6-core, base model). No ragrets. Love it so far
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i think you meant;
Severe thermal limitations in pursuit of the lack of thermal paste.
Love this guy............very real super chill and no BS.
Thanks!
I wish Apple would just bring back the 17" MacBook Pro instead of slowly inching back up every few years.
It's the only thing that would make me give up my 2015 15" rMBP.
Finally a replacement for my 2012 macbook
I’m going to be starting college in less than a year, and I want a MacBook Pro for class. And the butterfly keyboard had me worried, but seeing these improvements eases me. This was definitely a good move by Apple. No doubt
As a computer science student I recommend windows.
Many inside problems haven't changed though. Non removable SSD w/o backup connector (machine fails, data gone). And many logic board issues that Luis Rossmann talks a lot about. It's still true that the reliability of Apple laptops peaked in 2013/2014 and since then it's just worse and worse. In some ways (because of the non removable SSD and/or the backup connector, and ports) it's basically 2016 model with 2015 keyboard. And that's still not enough. Just get the highest spec'd 2014 model and wait some more for more reliable hardware in the future (hopefully) and get desktop hackintosh/mac mini with Razer core X external graphics card (although hackintosh-ing had become very reliable and pretty easy in the last few years).
All hail the new Magic Keyboard!
⌨️
I'm starting to think Johnny Ive was holding an iron grip and had to go.
Snazzy man I just wanna say you're one of my only sources of genuine tech news. Big appreciation,keep it up.
I've always appreciated Snazzy Labs' candor. I'm a designer and developer and have been working with Macs for nearly 20 years, and since the release of the "trash can" Mac Pro several years ago, I've been extremely disappointed with most of Apple's hardware. Every release seemed to come with its share of issues. I owned three fully spec'd Touchbar MBP's, a 2016, 2017, and 2018 model, and ended up returning or selling all three after having numerous issues with the keyboards. I picked up a new 16" with the 2.4 i9, 32gb of ram, the 8gb 5500M, and a 2TB drive. It was nearly $1000 cheaper than my fully spec'd 2017 model, and performs better in every way that counts for my use cases. Writing code on this new keyboard harkens back to the glory days of the 2015 model that I still own because of that amazingly simple yet effective keyboard design. Thanks, Snazzy, for always being objective and honest. I've seen some users complain about the harshness of your reviews, but I appreciate the critical point of view amidst a slew of other UA-camrs who seem dead set on praising every device Cupertino sends to market.
“Four USB-C Ports” but held up three fingers lol
Intentional work my friend :) You have to connect for power.
Still would like a updated 12 Inch MacBook. :/
You and me both, man. It's coming back soon with an ARM chip. I'm sure of it!
I love those. Have owned both original 2015 and 2016 models. Super light. Am I the only one who both like the butterfly keys and had zero reliability issues with them?
@@alliejr I really like the third gen ones in the recent macbook air, though mine had the shift key break and I'm currently getting it fixed. I found that the older versions just felt mushy and didn't have enough travel.
Also would be really cool to see apple do a gaming focused desktop... something in a more regular desktop form factor.
Indeed, I still have my 12" 1st gen for travel. Love that tiny guy.
First you tuber to go with classic silver over space grey. I went back to silver too.
I am excited for this new model as well.
Thank you for the deep dive video Quinn.
Looks like Apple is moving away from Jobs and Jony Ive era. 2019 has been a great year.
A great point!
Eh more like a decent year so far the iphone 11 was kinda boring but im excited for the mac pro!
Yes, a very important improvement.
@@Broncos14 How is the 11 boring? It's a phone not a movie. Can't believe the battery life I get from the Pro Max, but yeah people get "bored" over a phone that does its job. I just hope the A14 from 2020 iPhone still destroys the next snapdragon and the design has squared edge from the iPad, which will probably happen now.
@@BrawndoQC Fair enough, but people have been acting as if it's revolutionary. My 11 Pro Max is a Xs Max with a better camera and a better battery. That's good, but tech-tubers aren't acting as though it's good. They're acting as though it's paradigm-shifting.
Is this the review of the Ultimate 16" MBP or is it the ultimate review for a 16" MBP? Does the adjective belong to the entire noun combination or just the MBP part of it? Words...
Ah, the ultimate review.
English is whatever you want it to be.
Snazzy Labs I can see you changed the title. If this was to drive more traffic, great. If it was in response to this, you didn’t need to. My comment was meant more as a silly little joking thing. I was just being a coy little bugger. I enjoy your vids btw :). You’re probably the only person ever who’s shown me Mac tricks I didn’t know already ;).
@@casperes0912 Oh... he changed the title?
Looks like he know that Ultimate means the best possible macbook, hence he changed the title
Casper S you are a ghost of what you once were.
Nice, and unlike many hosts, you can speak more than one sentence without needing an edit. And the pauses between sentences are perfect, unlike many of those who can't say more than one sentence without needing an edit and with unnatural pauses that are too short, making a choppy narration. But can you please drop the music? Thanks!
So Does the new MacBook Pro get a better Doug score?
Great weekend and daily score all around.
awesome i got a reply 😁 I am thrilled wooo hooo, this is the first time i posted a comment on UA-cam.
It's kind of sad when a laptop with soldered RAM, non-user-replaceable storage and battery, and a chiclet keyboard represents an "improvement" over the previous model. Sadly, these are all deal-breakers for me (except for the chiclet keyboard, which pretty much every laptop now has, and pretty much all of which are awful).
You win some and lose some if you want a laptop this size and weight with good battery life.
@@snazzy True, but I'd happily take a larger/heavier model that is repairable and upgradeable. Unfortunately, Apple won't sell that to me.
I haven't had an issue with the butterfly keyboard. My MacBook Pro is a 2018 model. I dropped it a few weeks ago and the repair included replacing the keyboard with the 2019 model. It feels better than the 2018 model but it was never a deal breaker. Mind you, I am a two finger typist so that probably makes a difference. I would never consider a PC.
Love the fact that you start out saying MacBooks pros weren't good! This might make you the only honest Mac reviewer on the internet!
I prefer the bigger arrow keys, means I don’t miss them and hit the aluminium body as much
I find that the gap with the smaller keys makes it easier to get my fingers on them without looking, and gives me a place to rest them between keypresses. Or maybe it's just familiarity/habit...
Apple is definitely going in the right direction now
Apple is always going in the right direction, their revenue, if you do not buy their POS hardware they will improve it... You are getting an improved battery, keyboard, speakers, cooling, and graphics card... do not buy it yet, missing removable SSD, removable RAM, 4 K display, extra USB ports, SD card reader, availability of parts to repair and/ or upgrade your laptop... or buy it... and that is all the better is going to get.
@McBossBrine Personally I own the ThinkPad T520. Good oldschool machine that let me do all the things I want (writing, vector graphics and visual design in Adobe XD). It's built like it was made out of concrete :) At the same time I see macOS users that are super happy and I have nothing against Apple's way of doing things on a computer ;)
Oh and Macs are very well build too when it comes to the outer chassis. Upgrades always wasn't their strong point but if the hardware in laptop is well balanced I don't also see reasons to change the components. Removable storage would be awesome tho...
Thumbs up for not being an Apple apologist and calling out the useless touchbar. I too would pay the same price for a set of real function keys.
Congratulations to a solid review where all more important bases are trying to be covered! Good Job! 👍
Thank you kindly!
5:35 definitely NOT objectively less beautiful. I think the butterfly keyboard looked odd and funny.
Funny, I'm watching this on a 2019 13" MacBook Pro. I know it gets a lot of hate but I've had nothing but success with this thing.
Ditto.
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Well yeah, if all you use it for is Facebook and UA-cam it's a perfect device
I use and support Mac users at work, in 2 years I'm on my 4th machine due to hardware issues and overheating, the developers and creative types that also use Macs push their machined much harder than I ever sill and it has been just bad
And then there's the batteries, even after the recall we still have 2016 and 17 models where the battery will just puss up at random
@@z0phi3l I mean that's just not true. I am on a base 2019 13 inch and do a ton of power user stuff (Docker, Kubernetes, compilers) with no trouble at all. Insanely reliable
@@australianpanda2713 So... Apple quality control is crap?
Great quality contents! Like how you present "take-time too understand" details in the easier way to get it.
When I get my 16" MBP I'm going to test to see how much better it is at writing comedy. I will link to your video for the important stuff. Good one.
Hahaha cheers!
Cool...
Yes...
Intel has been promising that new chip for 4 years. I’ll believe it when I see it. (And when you complain about Apple laptop performance disappointments over the last 4 years you should really throw more than 50% of the shade at Intel).
they did. look at Linus Tech Tips more often. The core i9 came out like, a month ago
Keagster06 The i9 is just a faster i7. It’s not the low power 7nm chip that Intel has been promising and Apple has been waiting for since 2015. I suggest you listen to Linus less. He’s an idiot.
@@alliejr i9 means more cores. In laptop platform, i9 = 8 cores, while i7 = 6 cores.
And fun fact, base clock for i7 is higher than i9.
Means if your system is not cooled properly, i7 will beat i9, which was MBP i9 had at launch
It has to be the best review of the 16" MBP in the UA-cam!
Been waiting patiently to upgrade my 2014 MacBook Pro. This MacBook Pro imo is the perfect update.
It still has the horrible soldered SSD that can’t recover any data if you motherboard fails.
Just restore from your one of many backups you make-because as a professional you know: if it doesn’t exist in 3 places, it doesn’t exist al all.
It still can... but not easy.
Apple and their way of thinking...
I hope EU and US will pass a bill about repairing your own product.
Means every brands must make the spare parts available to public
@@Dominus_Potatus Even tho the EU is a cluster fuck right now with so many right wing nut cases taking control. I hope this as well maybe we can get something good before it fully collapses.
Do I get this or is this going to be another refresh in 2020...
Yes and yes.
Wow, the internal mic is surprisingly good.
I am a fan of the USB-C only ports on the side. I literally never plug anything into my laptop away from home (other than power) anyways. It just makes sense to me to ditch all the ports I would never use anyway for more relative portability.
Jonny Ive leaving the company is turning out to be doing Apple a lot of good
Yeah really. Although he made beautiful designs, they hurt the product in terms of functionality. You could argue that his designs pushed technology to get smaller and thinner and more powerful but some things like batteries have met a physical limit (for the time being, anyway).
I just don't get how a "pro" notebook can exclude a fucking USB port when EVERYTHING is USB.
And I've been using a Mac since the Mac SE.
Most of my newer pro gear is actually USB-C so it's finally becoming less annoying.
The lack of SD Card reader is very sad
@@snazzy "Most of my newer pro gear ..." It's been 3 years since they cut the USB port, and even you're still at "mostly new gear". How many years should it take for it to be universal?
I'd love a non-Touchbar option too. I have long fingers and it's not uncommon to touch the top or right corners accidentally when resting or browsing the web. Since they aren't physical buttons, even barely brushing against them will activate something. I've had to customize it to remove nearly half the space.
I watched many MBP 16 reviews.
I nailed. Best review. Show every aspect of it.
Great job!
It's nice, but I'd have to start to sell meth or something to afford one.
SPED KILLS!!!
Great review. Love how candid you are about the things they did right and the room for improvement. I'm due for an upgrade in the next year or two and this is the form factor I'm keeping my eyes on.
Cheers!
The cooling solution is still insufficient. It still settles in the mid/high 90’s °C. They need more heatpipes. Here in SoCal, we easily run 5-10 °C more than your test environment, thus “constraining” performance more.
If they dropped those numbers down to low to mid 80’s °C, then we approach a decent product.
Your pro tip is spot on.
Remember when you wore tuxedos. I'm glad you grew up, reviews are great.
Your videos are always a pleasure to watch. Dynamic, great speed, well written and amazing pleasure voice to listen to. It's not about tone or peach, it's how great you are as speaker person.
Nice presentation of graphs & performance..😊
Really like your work. You actually know what you're talking about and your build videos give you credibility.
I am honestly still surprised that you don't have more like 6M subscribers.
A recently joined fan from Estonia 🇪🇪
We will get there slowly but surely! 😉 Thanks so much!!!
Snazzy Labs Linus mentioned you in a number of videos, so I had to check you out. You have his blessing ✨
This needs more views!! It’s one of the most honest reviews of the machine that I’ve seen :)
You're not a UA-camr covering the 16" MBP unless you point out the FAA's 100-W battery limitation. It's a rite of passage at this point; anyone who doesn't mention it shall never be taken seriously. Solid video, Quinn!
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I'm not really a fan of the new keyboard. I prefer the wider key caps, lower profile and even smoother material they keys are made from on the latest 2019 15 inch MacBook Pro. Another thing I don't prefer on the new keyboards. If you press hard, you can feel the metal cutouts each key sits in. I think that makes gliding across the keyboard less comfortable. I haven't had any key failures on my late 2019 15 inch MBPro, but I have only had it a few months. Last, I prefer the thinner body and lighter weight.
My 2016 MBP is still working just fine... upgrading next month when my lease rolls over....
Very impressed that they not only improved thermal performance by a meaningful margin, but actually made it quieter in the process.
Me too!
Waited for your review to make my decision thanks keep up the excellent work on your videos man!
Cheers!!
Nice review man. In fact I really appreciate your reviews because they're on the nose and honest. Keep it up.
I love the music you used in this video
Thanks!
Awesome review, Quinn! Super helpful. Thanks for taking a deep dive into everything you do!
Thanks for continuing to watch the channel! 👊
Great review! Probably the best about this product. Detailed and honest. Keep up the high quality :)
This is a magnificent, thorough, honest review. Very well done!
What are you talking about, the touch bar ROCKS !
Looking forward to the next 13” refresh. (or will it be 14”?)
Really great review!! Looking forward to a smaller version... I still love my 13 inch touchbar but that would be a perfect upgrade
Those speakers are really outstanding. I haven't heard any phone or laptop that sounds that good
This is one of your best videos so far, keep it up Quinn.
Lots of effort put in this video. But nothing on soldered RAM and SSD and Apple gouging prices for these?
Your reviews are becoming really good. Keep up the good work!
Thanks so much!
As a more casual "Mac" user (since most of my work is done on my windows PC)
I'm very looking forward to the future 13inch model
If these improvement made to the new 13 or 14inch pro it will be super dope
Indeed big improvement. But no touchscreen, no WiFi 6, no MagSafe like, no 1080p/4K webcam,...
About thermals: would it be interesting to see a test of the very same machine made every 4 weeks to see if the performance changes?